What a TERRIBLE Ford dealer !

I tried to buy a truck from a dealer in Chicago. That was a mistake. #terrible #customer #service #ford #truck

[@Toolsinaction]

The dealer that tried to rip him off is Ron Tirapelli Ford in Shoerwood, IL

[@TheBurtle005]

They are ridiculous! They tried ripping me off when I was looking to buy a SUV for my wife.

[@JEast-qb8nq]

Ford should look into that dealer and pull the sales contract. I have a ford and it’s been awesome. Some little hiccups like death wobble many times in the 4yrs and 130k that’s on it. But it’s a great truck.

[@theRealPinball]

If I detect a rip-off dealership they never get a second chance on me.

[@TheElderOne2003]

You should also be careful at Golf Mill Ford in Niles IL also. Rip off specialists!!!

[@paulwall5706]

I have owned 18 Automobiles since I have been 17yrs old 7 new 11 used IAM now retired walk away from any Dealership that are a bunch of Dicks most Smaller Dealerships will try to work with u

[@gakrazykajun]

What a refreshing change, a dealer that actually works with and for the customer. Just awesome!

[@gordowg1wg145]

That is NOT Stan, but a scammer - be warned!

[@danlindeke2561]

Before internet, dealers were printing there own sticker with higher prices. "The Farmer" magazine had a MPLS ,MN dealer suck in out of town buyer, by time you added up options and taxes you didn't know what the sticker was.

[@TheJosea35]

It is nice knowing there are dealers that will sell a truck for about $3,000 more than they paid for. I went to a dealership once that had a used 2020 F 450 limited that had 20k miles and they were asking $105,000 because they paid $100,000 for it. I offered $70,000 and told them they are they scum of the earth for asking a little more than they paid for it. I should be allowed to dictate the price. Although, when it comes to my trade in, I want full blown retail. I don't think dealerships should be allowed to make any money. I hope Ford goes direct to consumer so I can get screwed without ever seeing them in person.

[@vburget]

Is it possible to clone this sales guy? His product knowledge and ability to explain the functions of the drive system is world class!

[@citizenplane5840]

Exactly what I said. This guy did his homework. He deserves every bit of commission he makes.

[@kirkdunn1379]

Agreed, most salesman I've met I know more than they did....and I've bought 6 trucks since 2020.......incredible how they don't know their own product.....they also weren't their 6 months later when I returned

[@bruceellenburg429]

This salesperson was courteous and respectful. The auto industry needs more like him I'd buy a truck from him

[@techguydilan]

The dealer I deal with actually have it as two different positions. The salesperson mainly just deals with the financing, test drives, and a few other things. Then they have delivery specialists who really research the vehicles, their features, and will give you a rundown on how to use said features and answer the questions. But for this salesman wearing both of those hats, he did great. I think the only thing he kind of got wrong was the drive modes part (which mainly just controls throttle response and transmission shift points).

[@kylepokorski6045]

Except for tow haul locks your torque converter and changes your shift points doesn't do jack to your motor

[@guycocoa211]

The salesman was knowledgeable and experienced. It looks like this is his career, not just a stop between other gigs as it is with so many other car salesmen.

[@TermlessHGW]

He was very polite, patient as well. I'm one of these people that when a complete stranger starts talking a lot with long stories and unnecessary details it makes me uncomfortable.

[@77Friction]

All “salesmen” are just scammers with suits on

[@illymost]

I was a lifelong Ford guy. Needed to get an F450 during the pandemic. Our local Ford dealership in rural Georgia were awful. $98k on a 40k mile 2018 F450. The sticker was $75k. Wouldn’t negotiate. Not to mention, they acted like they were doing me a favor just talking to me. These guys have no problem taking advantage of their hardworking neighbors. I went RAM and won’t go back. Our community will remember though.

[@akshonclip]

You just needed to find a different dealership. Its not a “Ford” thing, it’s the franchised dealership thing. GM and Chrysler dealers are doing the same thing.

[@illymost]

@@akshonclip I extended my search out 250 miles. No luck. The Ford guys as a whole, did seem more arrogant. Found Mark Dodge in Louisiana. Best car buying experience ever. About 4% under invoice on an order in the thick of the craziness. They will continue to get my business.

[@johnt6673]

Extended your reach out 250 miles all the dealers were the same? Sorry for you. I can go to plenty in my area and get sticker.

[@stevedenoyer5956]

They will be sorry they acted in this manner

[@stevenfriess9708]

As a man who works for a car dealer…those were selling at auction for 10k over MSRP so…ain’t totally trying to screw you…

[@ikecostner1]

The automaker shortage really brought out the shady dealerships and they were no longer trying to hide their greed & backstabbing. The good dealers will be apparent so you’ll know where to shop for the future

[@Dirtmonkey]

True that!

[@sirelliott3753]

That sounds about right. I was poor and I trusted a dealership and got wounded pretty good.

[@ikecostner1]

@@sirelliott3753 the dealership that let me order a van at MSRP then tacked on $2000 worth of BS like shadowmarking etc I sold them my 2018 mustang after. They didn’t test drive it needed a manual trans and a rear differential rebuild from hundreds of boosted launches on slicks. They lost money on it. The kid who bought it found me thru a local Tuner. Told me what he paid and what all they had to replace. I specifically sold it to them broken on purpose.

[@sirelliott3753]

@@ikecostner1 did the kid get burned? Not your fault if he did but that's the only crap part I see. Carvana doesn't inspect the vehicles they buy and they don't let you get vehicle inspected before you buy

[@plandscapesoh9702]

@@sirelliott3753 Same thing happened to us too

[@TreeFeller4Life]

MAN!!! LOVE HOW BRUTALLY UPFRONT YOU ARE ABOUT EVERYTHING!! NEED MORE GUYS LIKE YOU ON HERE!! Keep up the videos! Making my rounds on watching them all right now lol

[@TheFloridaPunisher]

I had the same issue when I bought my new 2022 2500HD. All the big dealers were shady as heck and wanted $5k-10k over MSRP. I went to Park Hill Chevy in Missouri. They are a small town dealership. They were honest, friendly, and fair with pricing. No fees and no hidden costs. Everyone should avoid shady dealerships regardless of brand.

[@greghenner4978]

@@tophervonhinterwaldler5833 They wouldn't have those big dealerships if they weren't making 50% or more on a vehicle. I used to work at a boat dealership and I got to see the invoices when they received the new boats. They would get the boats for a 1/3 of sticker and motors for half of sticker.

[@baseball3106]

@@greghenner4978 well that’s how they make money

[@bradoshaholmes2867]

@@baseball3106 no that’s making a metric fuckTon of money… Obviously they’d either never disclose this to their customers or give a much higher amount aka = lie through their teeth…that’s when it’s ripping people off

[@mechanicalrev]

@@greghenner4978 what brand and type of boats are we talking here? 😬

[@greghenner4978]

@@mechanicalrev We had Sailfish, Angler, Concept, Polar that I can remember and it was about 90% Yamaha and 10% Johnson/Evinrude outboards and Performance Trailers which isn't in business anymore.

[@chipjohnson3357]

Hi Stan! I encourage you to report that other place directly to Ford corporate. I've been hearing that corporate is doing what they can to stop this.

[@digit975]

For anyone wondering I’m like 99% sure the name of the place is Ron Tirapelli Ford. It’s near Chicago and has the name that fits what’s in the screenshot at 4:07

[@RadDadisRad]

@@digit975 you’re right. You can see the listing online still 😂

[@digit975]

@@RadDadisRad No way 🤣 that’s hilarious

[@Hardworkingman870]

Corporate will do nothing

[@alexdonnelly9821]

Stan go ford or go home work wise

[@randybedker1584]

Glad to know that there are still some dealer's out there with morals. Thanks for sharing.

[@anthonygoodrich6487]

Thanks for the video. The extended discussion with the salesman gave some great info.

[@duncandogster]

Hey Stan. I spent years in the auto industry. When a dealer advertises a low ball truck, they call it a 'loss leader'. It is usually a bare-bones version in an undesirable color and options package. They use it to generate contact and upsell the customer to a more expensive one that has the features that most customers are looking for. When the dealer refuses to sell that particular truck for the advertised price, that is false- advertising. If they try to switch you to a differed truck that they will sell you for that price, that's bait and switch.

[@gordowg1wg145]

99.999999% confidence that offer above is a spammer baiting you into giving them money - play along if you want, but DO NOT do anything that gives them money or information on your banking details. They're NOT Stan!

[@theczar6171]

Back in the day. When the caravan became third GEN. My boss purchased three of them. They were all the ones that were advertised at that low discount rate price. I’m sure you know what I’m talking about. We’re on the bottom of the ad it says we only have one. He bought it. Then he waited for the next weeks ad. Then he bought that caravan. Then he waited I think two months before another ad showed up one at this price. And he bought that one. It was comical because he got him at the price that was in the paper. All stripped. Basic dodge caravans. Are used for shuttling consumers around. We would dump them at 200,000 miles. But it’s a good lesson to learn. One of which is patience

[@lawrenceshdow]

It wasnt false advertising though because the dealership was advertising the price as the MSRP.

[@upminer6162]

You're right. And in order to do that legally they have to actually have that vehicle to sell. They can try and upsell all they want, and the customer can have expectations that it has options it doesnt but if they advertise that vehicle at that price it should be available. Sounds like this guy is a bit mistaken. The dealer website lists MSRP. That isn't offering it for sale at MSRP. It's just a fact about the vehicle. No different than stating the color or what engine it has. And MSRP is just like it stands for suggested. Good dealers wanting markup will just list contact us to avoid what this guy went through. And who calls a customer back and continues on with their "position" when the person obviously thought they could buy at MSRP and you told them no. That's just the epitome of what's wrong with the car business in situations like we've had the last couple of years

[@morganbrickwall7902]

I purchased an advertised lost leader F150 SuperCab years ago. It was XLT Trim with bench seat, short bed, inline 6 cylinder, 5 Speed manual transmission, Super engine cooling with tow package and bigger alternator, prewired for electric trailer brakes. $5,000 under MSRP. When I said "I'll take it" the dealer tried to talk me out of it, it's a six cylinder with manual trans, "yep, I'll take it" lol.

[@paulbrennan6613]

Nice Stanley it’s always good to see there are still people like Zach that do everything they say they are going to

[@Dirtmonkey]

Yep good people still exist 🙌

[@flexfire7432]

Awesome video went through everything I needed to know and explained everything nicely 👍 this is how it's done I'm glad you walked in with some knowledge and all the homework done on your part to know your getting what you want with the price you're willing to pay great gob

[@rickeyb450]

2 points I picked up from this video. Don’t pay over MSRP for a vehicle; there are still honest dealerships who value your returning business over greed. Also, if you plan on keeping it then purchase the extended warranty. It will save you money in the long run.

[@Arykperry]

I appreciate the effort you put into finding good deals an solid products for everyday business use for all of us. You have saved me so much time it’s incredible so Thankyou Stan

[@ryb6463]

Love your videos. I learn so much and its such a joy to watch someone with integrity challenge ethically bankrupt businesses with genuine humility.

[@JoeGraves24]

I’ve had the 7.3 with the 10 speed for almost 2 years. Zero issues with shifting during towing. It’s just different than the 6 speed in the way it feels while accelerating. The RPM range is really small with the 10 speed so the engine never really revs up under normal loads. Personally I like it.

[@GETsum111]

Have a 2018 f150 4x4 sport with 5.0 43k miles... trans just started slipping and banging 2nd/3rd gear every morning but goes away after a couple miles. Yayyy 5 year 100k factory warranty!

[@GETsum111]

10 speed...

[@JoeGraves24]

@@GETsum111 that’s a little different transmission than the super duty has. Similar architecture but not as robust. I’ve heard the 10r80 has had issues. I hope the 10r140 is better long term.

[@3rdcoastobs467]

10 speed?

[@jamescampbell8906]

I too have the 7.3 with the 10 speed, but 2022. Zero issues so far!

[@ericgladson5063]

Glad to see your great experience at a local small town dealership. That's what's great about Northern and Central WI. Most dealerships are honest and down to earth on their vehicles they're selling. A Boss DXT would look fabulous on the front of that truck!

[@jonathanstein1783]

This salesman was great! When I purchased my 2015 Nissan Frontier, I fortunately had a similar experience. They had the vehicle I wanted- manual windows and door locks, two wheel drive. $25,990 (basically 26k). I'd originally been looking for a Toyota Tundra, but used Tundras were MORE than the new Nissan! So, after telling them what I wanted, and they had that exact model on the lot, I bought the Nissan. I've never regretted that.

[@drewrbunn]

Another great video, Stan. Glad to see you buying another Ford! I have a 2010 F150 with the FX4 package, and it comes with all the towing bells and whistles. Pulls my 6800lb travel trailer like its not even there. That "pull-the-button" differential lock is a great feature that has saved my ass a couple times.

[@johndeere8594]

A lot of times posi track in the back is better than 4wd.You don’t need 4wd.

[@Donald_Shaw]

Stan, I can't tell you how many times I've walked out of a dealership just because of an arrogant salesperson or a condescending attitude. A lot of times they call me back and I tell them why I won't spend my money at their dealership. I enjoy buying a new vehicle.

[@Dirtmonkey]

I hear ya! Sometimes just walking away and being honest about why is the way to go.

[@billvandorn5332]

Good for you!

[@gordowg1wg145]

I know of one instance, back in the early eighties, of a fleet order for 17 4WD vehicles going through a local dealer and 18 free-wheel hubs for them. The franchise/dealership owner (most tight-fisted, penny wise- pound foolish* idiot you'll ever meet) questioned this and told the person who placed the order that he'd have to pay retail, not 'trade' price, for the last set of hubs because it was for his personal vehicle... Order immediately cancelled, ALL parts and work following that from that point went through a dealership an a nearby town - besides the initial order, this was well into 6 figures, a year, even 30+ years ago, as they worked on other vehicles as well. Possibly the biggest "you work commision?" was back in the seventies when a scruffy guy was in a nearby agricultural dealer (IH?) asking about tractors and other machinery. Head salesman basically snubbed him and a junior salesman took over - turned out he was buying for one of the biggest farms in the area, he ended up buying multiple machines and I understand it was over a million bucks, all up, which was a LOT of money back then! Got vague recollection that he may have bought a house on the commision (certainly should have covered a decent deposit), but may be mistaken? *if you don't know the expression, it means someone so focussed on small amounts of money they miss the importance of larger amounts and make stupid decisions that means a net loss.

[@Pappy-1]

@@Dirtmonkey I walked out of a dealership with a customer. I was actually the salesman and on my third day I had a customer and all he wanted was the price of the vehicle and how much he was getting for his trade. They wouldn't tell him or me this info. The General Manager would just give me a payment to quote him. After an hour and a half of giving him different payment quotes he was fed up as I was also. They had his owners card and refused to give it to him. I went into the managers office grabbed the card and walked out the door with the customer. I couldn't sell cars like that.

[@paulgallo6484]

I was walked across the street to their competition and bought a car and as I drove by their dealership I beeped the horn and waved.

[@Ryan.Kooper]

Poor salesman having to deal with this nonsense

[@pom044]

Picking up my F-250 XLT 6.2 this week and appreciate Zack’s review of the 4x4, traction and drive modes.

[@freelifematters6193]

thank you stan! i already have my ford dealer set in stone, but this is will help me shy people away from dealers down here in my area!

[@Dirtmonkey]

Cool beans. Best of luck!

[@espelectric1]

Hey Stan, just wanted to say that we have had the best luck with Ford trucks. We have been in business for 16 years in Denver Colorado as an electrical contractor. Colorado mountain driving puts vehicles to the test with high altitude and steep inclines. We have had other makes and always had problems with transmissions and rear diffrentials.

[@TaylorZ2]

Nice truck and I'm glad you got a fair deal. I never understand why some car dealers play so many games, car sales are extremely profitable as it is and a smart dealer will NEVER let a serious, ready to go buyer walk out the door - that's literally like burning up cash! That guy Zach at V &H probably does very well in sales, he's on point.

[@sybarefoster5907]

What’s the name and location of the dealership where you got this truck?

[@josephatherton2781]

Their a good , honest , FORD dealer .

[@stevenkern5659]

very informative I learned a lot about the new ford trucks watching you ask good questions

[@dwayneday6982]

Love the video! I was at a dealership trying to buy a truck. I had been looking all day and planned on going home with a truck. The dealer kept trying to sell me a truck 6k over what it was worth. I finally decided to write a check and handed it to the salesman and told him to take it or leave it. They took it.

[@thecat6062]

Reputable, honest dealers make it worth the drive. I drove almost an hour past my local dealer to buy my truck because of those very reasons.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Agreed, it is definitely worth it.

[@jgonz3542]

18:31: "Ohh" dude....I just had that moment last week researching my 2022 XLT F250. I've had lots of ford trucks, I felt like an idiot until I heard you also say "Ohhh". Thanks for making this video and getting this kid to work with you. Also, as someone born and raised in Wisconsin, V&H makes me proud. Thanks for sharing.

[@RealCujo]

Unfortunately some dealerships have lost my confidence. While I understand that they want to make the most money they can their actions can destroy a brand name. This was a great example of a dealership that is trying to make a decent deal without price gouging. Great video.

[@drewwagner7985]

Stan, your going to love that truck. I have about the same with the 7.3 and a 350. Nothing but happy with it. Glad you found an honest dealer.

[@edwardmmanns7454]

I bought a Chevy van in 96 when they changed the body style. I ordered it and had to wait 9 months for it. The dealer I went to wanted $800 more than their cost which is $300 more than I usually paid but it was a hot item... no big deal. PS: 9 months to wait because GM took care of the conversion van dealers first... Great video.

[@stevenhoffmann9373]

That pull out button on the 4wd selector knob is the equivalent of an electronic diff lock/posi traction rear end. But if I'm not mistaken it kicks out/turns off/unlocks over 20 mph. I have a 2013 F-150 4wd that has that option.

[@kerryrafferty6990]

Keep these videos coming Stan. Just straight...no BS.

[@meadowviewlawncarellc8079]

Great information in the video. Honestly I’d like to see you do a wideout or a wideout xl, it’s my 14th year with one and I love it for parking lots. Everyone on KZbin got the other plows, maybe only a few others showing what the wideout could really do.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Cool idea!

[@317lawnboy]

I love my Western Wide-Out. I’ll never go back to a straight plow again.

[@rtaylor8522]

Happy for you bro , took me 6 months several states to find my super duty. Everyone wanted over sticker. I was about to give up and went to the dealership right down the road one more time and low and behold. They had a 2022 6.7 stx. Exactly the way I wanted rubber flooring, 4x4 cloth seats power windows and locks (yes they have some with hand crank windows still) I was able to get it at sticker , I came with a check ready to go and the sales guy was acting as if it wasn’t gonna happen. Sales manager did the deal. Be patient folks. They are still some good dealers out there. Plus lifetime power train warranty

[@Dirtmonkey]

That’s awesome dude! Stoked for you. Patience is key 🙌

[@dylanmuller112]

Also with the traction control, you can turn it off like he showed you by clicking it once, but after you do that, hold the button down till your dash says “advance trac off” and it shuts it down even more so your tired can spin more without it kicking on. Clicking it once only limits the slippage for a small % but advance trac off holding it till it says it cuts it to spin at a higher % before kicking in. There is also a sport trac off by double or triple clicking the button either before or after doing the previous ones. Not sure what it does but it is another option that you have on top of the other ones.

[@frederickyahnsr.9004]

The sales-rep was the star of this youtube video, Stan hit him hard with great questions and he responded without any BS, a real breath of fresh air.

[@HoboJoeGarage]

You can use the locking rear differential in 2 wheel drive as well.

[@123Jamess]

Congrats Stan on the new truck. We have fords and gm, doesn’t really matter as long as it gets the job done. Would like to hear your opinion on the wideout

[@123Jamess]

Wideout XL to be specific

[@iambilliards]

Found your channel a week ago and have been watching a few videos. Was hoping to see some wide out reviews and comparisons to the vplows. Ran a regular wide out years ago on an old diesel and loved the versatility. Now running the wideout xl on a 1 ton 6.2 gasser and love it. In larger lots I typically support tractors or loaders but small to medium lots I go solo and do quite well with it. I've also run a vplow on a small tractor for driveways and occasionally some bigger lots when needed but really wish it had a wide out.

[@eldridge201]

I watched more of his videos a year or two ago but haven't really watched any up until a few days ago. What you're describing I would think he would have on here as he seems to have a very large inventory of different types of plows and he's done various comparison videos over the years. I don't know if maybe he just doesn't have it labeled the way it would make it easy to find but I would be surprised if he didn't have it on his channel. At the very least, I'm betting that someone has to have done a comparison on KZbin somewhere so if you do a search for it, I'll bet you can find it. YT has just about everything.

[@antonioreynaga786]

Nice truck Stan! I also do landscaping and last year I bought a 2021 f550 dump truck with the 7.3 10 speed transmission. So far I have no issues!!

[@davidwood5877]

Man, this was a very good informational video on that F250. That was also a killer price tag on the truck too, sweet deal

[@Dirtmonkey]

Glad ya enjoyed 👊

[@andrewmyers8035]

Wow there is still an actual honest dealer out there. I've been keeping my 2008 Ford F450 because they have become so crooked, May have to check this out. Thanks Stan!

[@eldridge201]

Wow. I can't believe you enjoy that 6.4 assuming it's the diesel and not the V-10? Those 6.4 trucks have had so many issues with emissions and turbos and so many other things that most people can't get rid of them. I see so many of them for sale with blown motors or an injector or two out. I was a Ford tech at a few dealerships before these came out so I never worked on them but I've done the research and read so much about them as well as watched so many videos to know that I wouldn't want to own one. I would feel like I was driving a ticking time bomb. If it's been working out for you, that's great. But I would suggest to sell it before you have something happen to it because if something does happen, it's gonna be hard to sell. Especially if the potential buyer knows anything about the 6.4

[@justintoth5440]

And you wanting top dollar for your worked to death truck isn’t crooked? So if one guy offered you $10k and another offered $20k you’re trying to tell us your taking the $10? Because if you sold to the guy paying $20k you would be the crooked hypocrite

[@monkeyman1730]

I usually roll my eyes at these kind of videos...BUT this one seemed sincere. Actually impressed by the dealership and hope more follow their lead.

[@mattweeks2272]

Wasn’t planning on buying a new truck this year, was very happy with my 2018 Ford. But it was totaled by a girl that blew a stop sign. When I went shopping, the dealerships for the most part were arrogant and rude. Then I went to a dealer I used to always think was a little pricier, and they kept everything at msrp, still gave incentives, and treated me right. They were fantastic.

[@terrysnyder6417]

I live in Missouri, drove to Michigan in 2006 to buy a Mustang GT convertible due to the same deal. That was when Ford was clearing the lots of excess inventory, and I ended up with a 72 month finance deal, 0%, and even rolled the sales taxes into the loan as well. Folks at other dealers were playing games with prices, or just refusing to sell inventory listed units, so I just kept moving outward on the map to the next dealer. Finally found one near Detroit who had the unit sitting on the lot, was actually selling it, and would take that price, so I told them I'd drive up and sign the paperwork Monday. Hauled up there with my trailer, they had us take it for a test drive before we loaded it up. Wonderful service. Although my wife was upset after driving it that I loaded it on the trailer. She wanted to drive it home! Some dealers are just A+ on service.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Awesome stuff sounds like you knew what you were doing and it paid off 👊 hope you enjoy the ride

[@chingosote]

What's the dealer name in Detroit

[@cornerconnections]

Stan, after seraching MN for months for an F350 we ended up in Huntley, IL at a Ford dealership and sadly had a similar if not worse experience. At one point my wife and I felt they were extorting us and when we asked for our keys to our trade in back to leave we were held hostage at the dealership in till we came to an agreement. Thank goodness for honest and fair businesses that still exist!

[@brians48now]

I would have immediately called the police and then put the story out on every social media you could.

[@cornerconnections]

@brians48now the only way we got out of there was to threatening to call the police.

[@J.Young808]

I went to look at a vehicle we were interested in when I lived in Oregon. They didn’t give numbers I was happy with and wouldn’t give me back my keys. I had to pull out my cell phone and start calling the police for them to bring me my truck and keys. Holding you hostage is a tactic they use.

[@TheDicklander]

I'm shopping for used f150s and they're like 6k+ over everywhere else at least in MN I've been close to flying to another state to buy a truck because it's still way less expensive gas and ticket included

[@TheJosea35]

I also went to go buy a car once and when they didn't give me retail for my trade in so they can't make any money I said "I'm outta here" they pulled my pants down and threw pies at me. It was the worst experience ever and I will never go back there again. I was hoping they would discount their vehicle also even though I knew the price before showing up. I know they probably make 90% profit from each vehicle they sell so I thought asking for a $500 discount was reasonable. I won't say what dealer it was because they threatened to shoot me if I ever told anyone. Dealers are so shady.

[@JJDrones]

Good to see you hooked up with another great Wisconsin Ford dealer. I have a 2020 f250 with the 7.3 and the 10 speed and I agree with Zach, I feel it's a much better shifting option than the 6 speed but as long as it gets you down the road, it doesn't really matter. But I don't plow with mine either. But being from the home of Boss I'm going to say you put the boss on because I'm extremely prejudiced and I admit it lol. Great video my friend

[@ewilliamsz2099]

This is the most valuable information I've ever seen if you were in the market for a truck. Very informative. Who needs a vehicle manual when you have this guys.

[@3PhasePower]

great video. January 2022 in Los Angeles they were selling similair trucks for about $6k above MSRP.. this was chevy and also inventory seemed a little slim but that was my experience. interest rates were still really low then. told them i was flexible could pay cash or finance. no calls back. seems like a great deal. sexy truck btw!!!!

[@bad05ford]

Ford and their tow/haul mode has been on point since they cane out with the 6.0 powerstroke. The 5r110 and 6r110 transmissions have been phenomenal as well. They just work.

[@holeshot1721]

So true. Even after 08 and up were way smoother. The 2011 -13gasser with the 6.2 gas has a smart trans you can try all you want to burnout it will not spin the wheels it will chirp them but not let you light them up. This helps when towing cause you can confidently get on the gas and not worry that its gonna leave skids all down the road.

[@kwippl4207]

Stan: Nice Truck! Congratulations and sounds like a great dealership. With the commercial plowing you do, I would go with the Western plow system. I custom ordered a 2022 F350 Lariet Powerstroke 6.7 back in Dec 2021. They quoted me the MSRP at $71K. Pandemic delayed the build so I got it in Aug 2022 (not fun but understandable). With the delay the MSRP went up by $5k on the sticker but because they issued the quote before the build, the dealership stuck with the quoted price. Very happy with my Dealership: Fox Ford of Cadillac (Northern Mich - lots of snow). FYI: The 4WD-L does not lock the diff automatically, it just locks the 4WD system in and drops the gear ratio for added torque - you still need to engage the diff lock with the knob (read the manual). Just a note: there are some recent software updates released on these 2022's so make sure they have updated the system. I have owned these with the locking diff since 2014 and only had to use it once (deep sand). Let us know how you like it with the Snow plow on it.

[@douglackie3777]

Thanks for the video! I got the same truck and had no idea the 4 wheel drive button pulled out to make both tires spin at same time! 😂

[@edwardgarea7650]

It’s the dealer that makes the difference. You showed that when you bought the Kubota mini-excavator. I have found over the years that brands can take a back seat to dealers. It was our Caterpillar dealer in Jersey, Foley Machinery, that made all the difference to my bosses.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Exactly! Dealer is everything.

[@CZAnthonyX]

I just bought a brand new Ford 3 ish weeks ago! So far so good! The dealer makes all the difference IMO! I hope you have a great night! Any snow for you?

[@Dirtmonkey]

Glad it’s working out for ya! The dealer can make or brake it. We just got about a week of fluff and now some heavy icy snow coming down for the next few days. Getting ready 😅👊

[@chrislange5321]

I really like your videos! I had a similar “horrible dealer” experience recently, whatever anybody seeing this does….stay as far away as you can from Huntley FORD in Huntley Illinois….worst bait-n-switch dealer experience I have ever had! Finding a honest dealer is tough, but definitely well worth, especially for what these trucks cost now!

[@michaelfogarty3239]

wow this guy is great in his way of doing business. I even liked the warranty guys approach to how not to up sell but to tell you how and what would happen if you decided to put on the plow. great video.

[@allphaselandscape]

Very helpful video. I've been struggling between engine options. I have one F-250 that is a 6.2 gaser and one that is a diesel currently. Picking up a new truck and I've been struggling between the three options. I think I'll go with the tried and true diesel outperforms them all but it's just not necessary for the increased expense and maintenance. These trucks are capable

[@banffdigger]

The company I work for is going to gas trucks from diesels less issues with all the emissions garbage and front ends last way longer on logging roads. Even deleted the diesels are causing more issues.

[@allphaselandscape]

@@banffdigger yeah, there is zero question that the diesel is a more powerful engine, but I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze anymore. Too expensive to make it worthwhile

[@AK_Ray]

@@allphaselandscape you don't say what diesel you have, but if it's 2012 or older the 7.3 with a 4.30 rear will out pull and out perform it. Truly an amazing combo.

[@allphaselandscape]

@@AK_Ray 2017 6.7liter.....impressive engine and does not want for any power. Just not entirely necessary.... 6.2 is tried and true. Just picked another one up 3 weeks ago. 2022 f250

[@Greenlightfilming]

First hand experience here. Dealt with V&H multiple times with leased vehicles and they were great.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Nicee

[@jonathansuffield]

Hi Stanley. Merry Christmas to you and yours. Your content is always engaging. I would like to see you hang a SnowEX 8611 Power Plow on the new Ford. I think you would be happier with the SnowEx version over the Wide Out simply because of direct lift system. Plus the optional down pressure feature. As you probably already know. Same parent company as Western, but in my opinion, SnowEx has some little bit better User Friendly features. Mostly speaking of the attach/detach system. Looking forward to see what your decision is.

[@hobo7422]

I enjoy ur videos thanks happy new year anyway saying hellllllooooo from the middle of Kansas ✌ ✌

[@Sumdumbwelder]

Curious to see how the 6.2s do I’ve heard good things but I feel like Stan gives yah the best no hold back opinions and I’d like to see a nice stainless plow on it would look great

[@CrazyEye75]

2 or 3 of his older trucks are 6.2s aswell. I have one also and they're pretty much bullet proof

[@JB-uk8hw]

Reminds me of when I was shopping for a truck earlier this year. The Ford Dealer told me they were marking up their trucks and for a plain 2020 F150 with 100K miles they wanted almost 50K. They also pressured me extremely hard to buy the truck when I told them when I walked in that I was not buying a truck that day. Ended up getting a loaded 2018 Ram 1500 Sport for 38K at a dealership that let me drive anything I wanted and let me come drive vehicles 2 different days and leave without any pressure. Good dealers are fantastic but there are so many horrible ones out there. Thank you for showing a fantastic dealership!

[@Dirtmonkey]

Completely agree! That was pretty cool of them to do. The lack of pressure is so important too 👌

[@1realtruthrightnow742]

Not tryna knock ya dude, but you'll regret that Ram purchase. My neighbor had to have a new engine put in his and it only had only 900 miles on it. He uploaded a youtube video about it

[@chrispokorney6801]

38 Grand for a 2018 Model??????? Good Greif. No wonder prices are so damn high. People keep paying prices like that is one of the reasons prices are so high. Smh Hope you don't Really Think You Got A Deal. Lol 😆 🤣 Least you did get the Vaseline Deal. BAHAHAHAHA Ain't no damn way , I'll ever pay either of those prices

[@chrispokorney6801]

@1Real truth Right now All of em are Big POS. I'm a Ford Man and my 2018 f150 with 50 thousand and dropped 3 cylinders. Another whole story.

[@CfRlCajunfishRiplips]

My 2017 F250 w/ 6.2 6speed 3.73 gears has been crazy solid. With my work schedule I don’t put a lot of miles but when I’m off I tow 9500 lbs 50% of the time. Not a brand guy but this 6.2 has been the most reliable power train I ever owned out of a dozen gas HD trucks. I really like these videos showing how crooked most of these dealers are. You have to do your homework or they will try to walk all over you. Great Video.

[@philipgauthier3570]

Your video is priceless....Every Ford dealership within 200 miles of my home town in Phoenix is charging 20-30K over MSRP for the truck I want...I'm going to talk with V & H and see what we can work out. If it's as you've shown, for me as well, I'll be forever grateful. Buying my trucks in years past prior to 2018 was always the way it was for you in this video....Dealerships have gone beyond greedy...It's why FORD announced the "Agency" dealership model we hopefully will soon see after FORD starts with it in Europe...

[@Likethetacosauce]

The different drive modes just change transmission shift points and throttle sensitivity. The rear locker can be used in 2h 4h or 4l. Its only purpose is to lock one rear wheel to the other rear wheel for added traction. 4L reduces the gearing to add more "torque",ie, helping pull a heavier load up a slippery grade.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Good stuff thanks for sharing!

[@garymitchell6522]

The Homework Guy Chapters included in this video: 0:15 - 11 Fake Car Fees you should not pay at a Car Dealership 0:51 - Car Dealers dislike informed Customers 1:24 - Two Rules to know about Dealer Finance 1:53 - The only legitimate fees you must pay at a car dealership 2:37 - The Finance Office is the Number 1 Profit Producer in the dealer. 3:25 - Don't Pay Dealer Prep Fees 4:26 - Don't Pay Dealer Advertising Fees 5:06 - Don't Pay Additional Dealer Mark-up 5:37 - Don't Pay Delivery or Destination Fees 6:12 - Don't Pay for Nitrogen Filled Tires at a Car Dealership 6:51 - Don't Buy Credit Life Insurance from a Car Dealership 7:12 - Don't Pay for a Vehicle Enhancement Fee in Dealer Finance 7:37 - The most commonly abused charges in Dealer Finance 7:49 - Don't pay for Window Etch Theft Protection at a Car Dealer 8:46 - Don't pay for Dealer Document Fees 10:10 - Don't pay for E-Filing Fees, Electronic Filing Fee, or Processing Fee 11:16 - Don't buy overpriced GAP insurance from a Car Dealer

[@bxbmbr766]

New subscriber your outright honesty is a win!

[@MrMattDat]

STAN!! What a great story! So refreshing to find a dealer looking to do GOOD business!! So, now I've got to drive from Boston to WI to buy my next vehicle? OK!

[@HoboJoeGarage]

I had a similar experience with a local Toyota dealership. I researched and chose a 4Runner with a particular package that I wanted. Went to this dealer because they had one incoming. They wanted to add a $5,000 non negotiable dealer add on or as they worded it “tax that NJ makes them add”. They stated it added certain features to the car. Called them out on their BS and got no where. I for schlitz and giggles went on to the website for the dealer I use to work for and they had the same 4Runner in stock with upgraded wheels. Got it at a great deal with an extended warranty all out the door for less than the other dealers offer.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Wow. That says it all…there’s some real shady stuff going on. Good thing you kept your head on straight 👌

[@bertrutledge4546]

That is when you go back to the original dealer and do a slow drive through lot and then roll the window down and wave. Really pisses them off.

[@pcatful]

This reminds me of the first dealer car I ever bought. Took the test drive and all and suddenly the price was higher. We were young but knew enough to say we wanted to pay the price we were told at the beginning. The manager even came out offered me his hand, we shook hands and he said. "it's been real." Just to insult me. We walked out and they called us later with the original price. (There weren't a lot of options to buy a car on Hawaii at the time.)

[@Dirtmonkey]

Haha that sounds about right. So you ended up getting it for the original price?

[@jamesleicher]

other Dealer thought he catch a rich hobby farmer for a quick sale.

[@pcatful]

@@Dirtmonkey Yes! and now that i am older and actually have some more choices, I wouldn't have gone back.

[@feron450]

Nice looking truck glad you got it at a decent price. And that dealer you got it from seems to be very honest. I’ve worked at dealers before as a tech, and that’s why toolboxes have wheels cause I’ve worked at bad dealers and I can tell you the dealers that try and ripoff at sales it leads right into ripping off at service and parts aswell.

[@functionalvanconversion4284]

Great dealing with a professional dealership. I am fortunate that the dealership in my hometown is professional like these folks.

[@MIGHTYX2010]

Rare to see such a knowledgeable salesperson 👍! Rear differential lock is basically the same thing as posi traction, in the old days. Basically when you do a burnout you lay down two stripes, if it's locked. Lol 😂

[@drewrbunn]

Love my diff lock. Haven't found a road condition yet, that my Ford won't just get up and walk out of in 2D.

[@eldridge201]

@@drewrbunn you aren't trying that hard then. You can't just drive on gravel roads when it's rained and think that it's a big deal. Go find some decent snow somewhere or some mud and you'll know how much in "love" you would be with it. But, better to have it and not need it than the other way around.

[@drewrbunn]

@@eldridge201 I had to put my truck in the ditch to avoid a head-on with a Dodge Caravan last year, because he boldly went where he had no business going.. I put it in 4Lo, locked my diff and drove out.

[@eldridge201]

@@drewrbunn I don't understand what your recent comment has to do with your first one since it is contadictory. You originally discuss being in an "on road" situation in 2-wheel drive but then now discuss a situation where you are in a ditch (off road) and needing to use 4-LO and lock your diff. What does one have to do with the other? Furthermore, they aren't the same comparisons. So, I'm confused as to why you're bringing up the last comment since it's not relevant given the circumstances. I'm not trying to be a jerk here but you have contrasting comments so I don't see what one has to do with the other. ??

[@arthenry989]

BUT, the electronic diff lock reduces the power the engine will put....ie no burn out

[@ericflynn7593]

We went with a 6.2 f250 in September because of fuel prices. Been great so far. 6.7’s we had were the cats $&@ but for $14k more cdn on the msrp and 70 cents more per litre it didn’t make sense. I would go with a western wideout xl. Western imo has the best mount to hookup. You can interchange the mvp vblades you have. Moves a lot of snow. F14 imo is too big unless you have a diesel truck. That will bog down the 6.2’s and 7.3’s for those 8” heart attack snow storms. Even the f12 is big. I believe the wideout is 1025lbs. Wideout xl is 1075lbs. F12 is 1250lbs I believe. Not sure what the F14 is but 175lbs more between the XL and f12 adds up. Great video Stan!

[@bradvarsho1286]

Nice to hear good things about the town I live in

[@sp74supra]

Stan, you can enable the locking rear end with the truck in 2wd also. The salesman explained that you put in it 4x4 to engage it. I have a 17 Platinum 6.7 and I use the locker all the time in 2wd when you just need a little more traction and do not need to engage 4x4. Enjoy your new truck!

[@gordowg1wg145]

Cool, it would make all the difference when turning an angle up driveways, etc - even conventional 4x4 isn't any help when the diagonals are in the air.

[@Dirtmonkey]

That’s pretty neat! Thanks for the tip

[@luckytrapper7656]

The rear locker will disengage at 30 or 35 mph. The locker is intended to be used at lower speeds.

[@sp74supra]

@@luckytrapper7656 correct.

[@skiptrace4034]

Great dealer!!! Love how they order their inventory for the working man. Also nice they keep their word on listed prices and willing to get on video.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Absolutely! Very grateful for the ones that are still genuine & not shady.

[@Danzilly]

Might have to take a road trip from tn. There's nothing in my area not marked up to the hilt. I need a f250 gas.

[@seanrikard3163]

Wow, you can really see the pain in that salesman's face. He really didn't have time for all that story telling. He was just trying to be nice by tolerating all that story. You even see him looking back as he obviously had other things that needed his attention. If you're going to buy the truck, buy it and don't waste all that man's time.

[@allaboutroofing2]

Oh the pain, when he was likely making $500 an hour for his time. 😂

[@tjnucnuc]

@@allaboutroofing2yeah bud that’s a long shot.

[@allaboutroofing2]

@@tjnucnuc average commission is 25%, a 60K truck has about 4500 markup from invoice. I doubt it was over 2 hours. Do the math bud.

[@allaboutroofing2]

I sold cars a couple decade's ago and made 70K a year on average. I know a couple people still at it and they both made nearly 200K and showed me proof when I called BS. Both worked at a RAM/Jeep store which I bet Ford is even better.

[@matthewhenry6797]

I was a car salesman around 10yrs ago and I sold between 20-30 cars a month here in south Louisiana a small town and I can say that maybe 1 or 2 of those sales a month we're at MSRP and that was usually a business that didn't care because of tax write offs or just a bad credit customer that didn't care and just want to buy a car that day. What these dealerships are doing now is killing their repeat customer that comes back in 2 years because now they can't their car will be so upside down on value vs money owed they will be stuck with it.

[@jscott6058]

Stan I got a question for you, do you undercoat your vehicles. If you do what’s your go to product to keep your vehicles from rusting out ?

[@MvpBouck]

oil them dont coat with anything that is "permanent", it will hold the moisture and rust.

[@jscott6058]

@@MvpBouck What I meant by was fluid film, New England undercoat which is like fluid flim and so on

[@oldnstillworkin5709]

All my KZbin channels (you and Victory) are buying new toys before the end of the year. Lol. I drive a 2014 F-150 and it has the locking differential too. It’s an awesome feature. Good luck with it Stan.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Heck yeah 👊

[@gailjohnson6670]

Thank you for the video. Blessings to you.

[@Jason-pq5mq]

Hello Stan, Love the channel. I used to work for a dealer and I can tell you that most of the manufacturers are frowning on this practice. Contact Ford directly and advise them of the situation at your previous dealership. They have better remedies when dealing with resellers (dealerships).

[@jeff245245]

I hope you reported that first dealership to ford corporate! I have a friend there and ford does not like that and will actually fine their dealerships that run business like that so much so they can actually loose their license to sell fords (if they have not already)

[@heresteven]

My Maverick order came in and the dealership wanted 50% more. I didn't bite. They then put it on craigslist to try and move it.

[@BrianSmith-lo3mj]

@@heresteven What a bunch of scum bags. That sorta thing should be illegal.

[@jakem.6359]

Anybody else wish Zac would fix the collar on his vest 😆

[@beachbums2008]

Stanley did you get a full tank of gas on your purchase of the truck before you drove it off the lot,just curious thats all,lol Keep the vids coming to Pittsburgh Pa. Have a great Christmas and a happy new year to you and your and the rest of the crew my brother

[@madmax6551]

I feel your pain. I spent a month trying to buy a new truck after i totaled mine in October. Everything I found was 5 to 6 hours away. I contacted multiple dealerships and I couldn't get anyone to call me back. All I wanted to know was if they still had it available or maybe some more pictures. You would think they'd want to make a sale.it seems that salesmen out there have just gotten lazy.

[@Nitrous-ej5zy]

No, they are just greedy. And anyone who walks in a dealership and think they are walking out victorious is in for a treat. But as the salemen are greedy, the purchaser is dumb. 90k for a truck is rediculous. But hey, just like pro sports, keep paying these bloated prices make these idiots rich at your expense. What makes these vehicles any better than say 5 years before, that requires that price. But no power seats????

[@NLMLandscape]

Stan, I just put a BOSS 180Z on my super duty with the 5th wheel system. Incredible how easy the attachment is with that system. Make sure to utilize upfitter switches 5 and 6 for anything you want powered at all times. 1-4 are only powered with the ignition. Traction control off will still avoid swaying and sliding. Hold the button down longer for more fun.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Awesome sauce will do thanks brother 👊

[@Colinpnewbrey]

Stanley, I have the exact same truck but loaded with the lariat package with leather and all the bells and whistles. I LOVE IT! I’m glad I switched to this truck over the diesels. I average about 16-17mpg, and put 400-700 miles on a week, plus snow plowing. I paired my truck to a Western MVP3, because I love western plows, and also because the front mount stays tucked up tight to the bumper. The boss mounts hang so low id always worry about hitting it on things. Besides it’s ugly. But the truck has been pushing snow here in WI and doing an awesome job!

[@Dirtmonkey]

That’s so awesome to hear! Thanks for sharing & glad it’s working for you so well 😄

[@TR-ut3yh]

How do you average 16-17 in the 6.2?? I'm getting 12 mpg

[@Colinpnewbrey]

Getting 16-17 because it’s still on factory tires, I drive it nice (unless I’m plowing) and a lot of these miles are on the highway. Typically drive about an hour or so to and from my jobsites on the interstate

[@Colinpnewbrey]

@@TR-ut3yh sorry, my comment above was to you man. Hope this helps!

[@lawrenceshdow]

This has been a particular problem in the auto dealerships the last few years with the crazy demand and shortages of vehicles. Ford specifically has had trouble with this and is finding ways to "fine" dealerships who do these massive mark ups. They tried selling the little mavericks at 50% over msrp.

[@XrpAndy]

60k for that truck ? That’s an incredibly good deal

[@chillwill5080]

Not by pre-covid prices, but now it is a decent price since it's hard to get vehicles from vehicle manufacturers and dealers. Seems rather bizarre that we should be begging them to let us buy something though. :-/

[@mattm2687]

Under 90k that is absolutely a deal

[@JVotts]

That's a ridiculous price for a truck. They are no longer work cars, they are luxury cars that might do a little work in it's life. They have raised the prices of all trucks like over 20k in the past 5 years. It's disgusting.

[@wangfu12]

Way to go with the FORD!!! Love it 👍 Love both colors but black is just badass....especially blacked out

[@Dirtmonkey]

Great minds think alike 😎

[@MintMonte87ACSS312]

The salesman was very accommodating in this situation compared to what you dealt with prior. But the electronic locking rear diff is almost a 2k option. But he is correct, YOU WANT IT FOR THE HARD WORK.

[@johnjg88]

I literally made a list of dealers in the South East Michigan area that I won’t ever give my business to, seeing the up charging they’ve been doing to people. I’ve purchased 4 brand new vehicles in the last 3 years. Not once have I had to pay over MSRP.

[@tomthomsen11]

This is occurring now at dealerships in the Phoenix area. $15k plus over MSRP starting with the Maverick. $35k for for a $20k truck.

[@Imnotyourdoormat]

Now you know why FORD is permanently ceasing dealing with any dealerships whatsoever, their greed-induced crookedness and corruption has just gotten too far out of hand...

[@lovedadonald.]

That's true and the government doesn't like the competition either

[@nodak81]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[@Josh-pg3km]

How are they going to sell vehicles then?

[@TwinTurboToyota]

Send me one dealership that Ford has stopped selling to because I’ve never seen one. Ford is all bs on saying they will do anything

[@Imnotyourdoormat]

@@TwinTurboToyota must be a FoMoCo car salesman...