What About Abortion? Should this one issue determine how Christians vote?

Is abortion the one issue that should determine how Christians vote?
In this insane election year, Christians are debating a whole host of issues. The character of the president. Immigration. Race. The environment. The police. COVID-19. But in all these debates, one issue arises that seems to trump them all: Abortion. And there is one solution to abortion: Overturning Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion in 1973. Without Roe, abortion would still be illegal. Problem solved.
Except the reality is much more complicated than that. Starting with the fact that Roe didn’t make abortion legal, and overturning Roe wouldn’t make abortion illegal. Throw in the fact that the abortion rate in 1972 - before Roe - was actually HIGHER than it is today, and things get really confusing. Our friend David French, a pro-life civil rights attorney, recently wrote about the reality of politics and abortion in America today. When Holy Post co-host Skye Jethani echoed French’s point of view on Twitter, people asked if we could summarize it with a video.
So we did.
This is a tough topic. You many disagree with David and Skye. And that’s okay. We just think it’s worth having the conversation.

[@kevinrichardson3961]

Based on the decision the Supreme Court Justice just made, we may need a part 2

[@edtsch]

I wouldn't mind seeing a follow-up video, but truth is, the main conjecture of this one remains unchanged: that local and state efforts make the bigger difference.

[@contrarian777]

@@edtsch That's charitable...

[@Christ2010Grad]

Amen!

[@bjartusen]

Yeah it didn't age well

[@michaezell4607]

Ever notice how once a fetus becomes an actual born human being the republican party all of a sudden wants NOTHING MORE to do with it?

[@wedzi]

Women need support not only through their pregnancies but also when the children are born. Maternity leave, paternity leave, childcare and other pro family legislation all makes having a child a more realistic choice for women.

[@foxylockxy]

Amen. Let me know when the Republican party starts supporting mandatory paid maternity and paternity leave, and I'll start taking their "pro-life" stance a little more seriously.

[@christiansoldier77]

wedzi Not having sex until marriage would almost completely get rid of the problem

[@wedzi]

@@christiansoldier77 A large percentage of women who get abortions are married with other children.

[@wedzi]

@J L I'm not the person to speak on theology. But I have had the privilege to witness a church choose to look after a child from before he was born, by inviting his mother to live at a convent during her pregnancy, all the way through school- even when he lived in a developing country after his mother was deported. I am pro choice but for me that means also making having a child a choice that people can make. Asking someone to choose poverty, choose strife, choose less for their other children or know that they will be looking after a child with needs that they do not have the ability to meet strikes me as not just cruel but most definitely not Christ like. Offering answers to the valid concerns that people have about having children needs to be part of the conversation.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@wedzi The vast majority are single women

[@kinslerpsychology7350]

This was an excellent reminder of the importance of showing love and being informed rather than blindly following a political party.

[@douglasbyrdhigh4549]

I think the issue is people blindly following the bible. How can the bible be against abortion when in the whole chapter of Numbers 5, (summarizing) GOD him or herself instructs ALL women who cheat to be brought before the priests to drink "the bitter water" which basically sterilizes her. How can the Bible be looked at as a construct that highly regards LIFE when so much of the consequences for so many things is literal death? "People" will actually read Numbers 5 and convince themselves they did not read what they just read.

[@Z3rk]

@@douglasbyrdhigh4549 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[@Sanddollar1]

This is NOT about a political party. This is about infanticide. There should be no stomach for it among Christians at all. All of the arguments given here are rubbish. We are not responsible for what politicians do, but we are responsible to God for what WE DO.

[@robertcheyne7235]

Showing love includes not allowing babies to be aborted.

[@camillemitchell301]

@@robertcheyne7235 I think you may have missed the point of this video. Voting for pro life candidates may be effective, but when was the last time you visited a crisis pregnancy center? When was the last time you helped a struggling family put food on the table? These things truly matter and make the most difference in reducing abortion rates.

[@studynot757]

It's interesting to me that Skye states Delaware's large reduction in abortions over that span of years was due to increased access to Healthcare. And then just a few minutes later he says two other things. "The largest drop in abortions was under Obama" and "Do I think that Obama was responsible for the drop in abortions? No." But Obama literally brought greater access to healthcare to MILLIONS of Americans through the Affordable Care Act. Is there really no correlation in your mind between those things?

[@dfattyadams123]

Kk lol lllll lol llll lol

[@tess3390]

Delaware's huge reduction was due to the abortion rate spiking between 2007-10 and then declining from the spike, and other women going to other states after clinic closures. There's no evidence it was primarily due to increases in healthcare.

[@olgaolga8991]

What a waste of money

[@laurenbentley4909]

He didn't say it was due to Obamacare -- it was due to state-level policies that improved healthcare access. His point is that presidential elections (including Obama's) don't have a huge impact on abortion rates -- but other policies, like better healthcare access at the state level put in place by Delaware, do.

[@studynot757]

@@laurenbentley4909 Right... state-level policies right in the midst of the ACA that improved healthcare access.

[@MarkFowlerthefunkee1]

The question is this: What would be better- Making abortions illegal, or making them unnecessary?

[@aikido7]

Both choices are doomed strategies.

[@Ironica82]

Trade one sin for another and ask the same question: What would be better: Making rape illegal, or making them unnecessary?

[@MarkFowlerthefunkee1]

@@Ironica82 That is a ridiculous co?Paris on. 1) Rape IS illegal 2) there are no conditions in which rape benefits anyone. Thst is not the case with abortion. Plus, if you paid attention to the video, abortions atr going down WITHOUT overturning RvW.

[@clintonwilcox4690]

As long as people want unrestricted sex with no consequences, abortion will never be unnecessary. Unlike the person in the video, I am actually involved in the pro-life issue. There are many pro-life organizations who do offer resources to abortion-minded women. The stark reality is a large number of women who are aborting aren't looking for resources -- they're looking to not be pregnant.

[@code0662]

But were they ever really necessary in the first place? (Excluding pregnancy that directly endangers the mother)

[@donnamchardy7674]

Thank you for talking about the things that actually reduce the abortion rate. Making abortion illegal will not keep women from facing unplanned pregnancies. I encourage Christians to support women instead of judging them. The church often isn't a friendly place to go for help during a crisis pregnancy. Government policies that support education about reproductive health and birth control help. Publicly funded health care helps. Better maternity and paternity leave benefits help. Many first world nations give one year or more of maternity leave coupled with a significant amount of income support from the government - in Canada you get 55% of your wage during the year you can be on leave from your job. There are a lot of ways for government policy to make it more affordable for women to continue their pregnancies instead of choosing to end them.

[@hazepraze]

Exactly! Thanks for speaking common sense!!!

[@RorolovesA]

Amen to this!!!

[@TruthNotRelative]

The overall problem with your response is that it assumes that the unborn do not posses the same value as infants example. Imagine applying your argument that the goal should be to “reduce infanticide” (as opposed to making it illegal) were infanticide actually legal, and that woman hired people to kill their infants for the same reasons woman have abortions. Also, do yourself a favor and google “Greg Koukl takes in an abortion call” and listen to to KZbin clip in the link.

[@Draezeth]

@@TruthNotRelative Thanks for the video recommendation (I love Greg Koukl), but you're ignoring everything else the video says. Criminalizing abortion doesn't help compared to the loving response.

[@pdelta]

Thomas Bassett Clarinetist/Composer Literally all of the instances that you stated affected the actual person involved in a negative way by threatening their health or sanity. Abortion does not do either to the woman because she is spared from the harm of giving birth. The very beginning of conception is just creating a being of sentience. There is no feeling or logic to it; just objective, and that objective is to develop. The woman's objective, with the knowledge they have gained, is to survive. They have given their entire lives toward the concept of thriving, and if a child will cripple their chances of such, whether financially or mentally, they will want to alleviate it. You even stated that the persecution that pregnant mothers received as a result of one mistake is tantalizing, so why should a woman want to get put through that berating because of one mistake? And to even mention a baby suffering is ludicrous; being born into the arms of a mother that cannot or will not take care of them ends up with a hard knock life of struggle or being thrown into the foster care system, which is absolutely horrendous and has been for ages. If you do not want children to suffer, then worry about something that actually mentally scars and traumatizes our kids. To state that people should keep it in their pants is common sense, but to condemn a woman for a single mistake that led her into a series of turmoil is inhuman, especially given that you will never be forced to experience it. If she has the baby, she's a slit, but if she gets rid of it, she's a murderer. What do you heinous people want if all you can do is spread hatred rather than actually helping the poor woman through her situation?

[@georgannhaeffner6589]

This put into words and statistics what my husband had been feeling when we finally stopped being one issue voters. Thank you

[@alexhuffvn]

That blew my mind that abortion went down under Obama and that public funding for planned parenthood went up under Trump. I feel like I have been lied to my entire life. I have always been a single issue voter. But now I'm going to look up the local crisis pregnancy center in my area and see how I can actually help.

[@luckyduck1985]

Love this comment. God bless you for being open to changing your mind.

[@Life-er6mq]

Love that you had that epiphany brother! God bless you 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@supsoo]

He is lying to make you think that voting for democrat is not moral crisis. Voting for Democrats is voting for unbiblical morally bankrupt party

[@scottthompson8792]

@@supsoo when you stand before God on judgement day be sure you can explain that clearly to him.

[@alexhuffvn]

@@supsoo hi brother, I understand that there is a lot for Christians to be concerned about with regard to the Democrat party, but there is with Republicans too. Ultimately it's a conscience issue. Each person is accountable not just for their vote but their actions, thoughts, and attitudes every day. I don't think calling Skye a liar is particularly helpful. Of course you can dissagree with him and feel free to present any facts you feel he may be ignoring or misrepresenting but to call him a liar implies that he is trying to mislead people on purpose. I don't think that is the case.

[@user-om1hi8wd5o]

the key to reducing abortions is sex education, access to healthcare, and pre-family counseling

[@zivadavid1775]

Sex education would need to include the scientific fact that it is a human life from conception. The truths of the baby. Hear the heartbeat etc. Schools have plenty of sex ed, even schools helping kids getting birth control. Also in sex ed, the truth that sex is not a goid idea before marriage. Raise girl's self worth. And teach boys they are responsible and need to respect themselves and girls.

[@SonicBoomC98]

@@zivadavid1775 that depends on your definition of life. That's the same argument the Pro-Life crowd has used against birth control

[@BRNKoINSANITY]

@@zivadavid1775 Except that isn't a scientific fact. Claiming it is so hurts your credibility.

[@zivadavid1775]

@@BRNKoINSANITY it literally is a scientific fact that it is a human life.

[@zivadavid1775]

@@BRNKoINSANITY if you dont agree please tell what it is if it is a human life? A Buick? A flower? A puppy? It is life, scientifically in every definition. It is literally human, with her own DNA, blood, brain function, heartbeat, fingerprints, even personality. If it isnt a human life, what is it?

[@WeyounSix]

As someone who was raised Christian but fell from belief, it's people like you guys who start to bring me around again. Being around and seeing good things like this from genuine Christians who want to do the best for people, and be a Christlike person, makes it much easier for me to accept the faith feel welcomed back into the community. I have always seen the value that church communities can bring to families but sometimes it can be so political and create so much pressure, you guys make Christianity feel like a safe place again, and I have to thank you greatly for that. My mother is very Christian and it allows us to have a deeper spiritual relationship as well when we can watch these videos together. It really seems like you guys have the right idea, that if we work together as a society and focus on the things we agree on and stride toward that, rather than focus only on what we disagree on, we can all compromise and figure out the best solution for everybody. God bless you.

[@samuelmiller7449]

Well said! The majority of Christianity has been about all the wrong things for too long. It’s refreshing to hear love being preached rather than politics. Also, I’m glad that even though you have fallen from belief, you are still engaged and can have deep talks with your mom! Thanks for adding to the conversation 😁

[@lukebear3710]

Reminds me of Ghandi's words, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians." It's sad when people see the life ofJesus and the life of Christians on opposite ends of the spectrum.

[@WeyounSix]

@@samuelmiller7449 I'm coming back around :)

[@timschmitz9114]

This narrative is missing a very critical point. The bulk of abortions are done by Planned Parenthood. Making abortion illegal will do 2 things immediately.1) shut down PP and stop all those abortions overnight. Several million babies every year and not just 12 %. 2) Yes, those wanting an abortion have a higher risk of dying when getting it done illegally., However, many will be far more careful about their practices knowing that an easy fix wont be so easy. 12 % is a laughable number of human lives saved. If its illegal and made extremely difficult ,far more than 12 % will be saved.

[@WeyounSix]

@@timschmitz9114 that might be true but I'm not here to debate on that just speak on Phil and his team and how they make me feel open and welcome. Thank you

[@brendalozius80]

I don't understand how people are pro-life but not for universal healthcare. Someone explain this to me?

[@MrThinking4myself]

Because those are not even related. First of all, we already have universal health care, nobody can be denied medical treatment based on their ability to pay for it. Well, except for a child that hasn't been issued a birth certificate, they can left to die from starvation, dehydration, and exposure, but you're okay with that. So, in your world what makes a human being a person is a government issued document. Democraps argued and won the Dred Scott decision, arguing that a slave was a human being, but not a person. Your argument is no better.

[@joleesa4357]

@@MrThinking4myself you clearly don’t understand the definition of universal healthcare.. Currently you can’t be denied emergency medical services but you most definitely can be denied follow up treatment and necessary medication.

[@MrThinking4myself]

@@joleesa4357 nobody can be denied life saving treatment. Except for the baby who would be a burden, that child can writhe in agony for hours, you're good with that. The VA is an example of government run health care. Obama killed 300,000 veterans on waiting lists, that's what you want? Do you know how Trump remedied that? The private sector, you know, the system you want to destroy.

[@Glowblue1]

@@MrThinking4myself If life saving treatment can't be done in the emergency room, you'll get referred to a specialist and have to pay for it. The ER can do CPR on you when lung cancer gives you cardiac arrest, but they can't give you chemotherapy or radiation therapy to actually solve the problem. This makes the ER more expensive, because poor and homeless people keep coming in for acute issues that could be cured for good if they could see other physicians.

[@LulaMae21]

@@MrThinking4myself Universal healthcare means that your healthcare is provided at little to no cost to you out of pocket and is covered by the government. EMTALA is most decidedly not universal healthcare and attempting to argue that it is makes you look unintelligent.

[@Draezeth]

If you have to take ONE thing from this video, let it be this: "It's okay if you disagree, but it's worth having the conversation."

[@bgorg1]

It's also- research the facts for yourself, test your own presuppositions, determine what your objective is on an issue, and do your own analysis. That goes for believing Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, health care, pastors, and this guy. Honestly, the more I listened to this the more I realized I disagree with his analysis and presuppositions. How about this. Abortions have been greatly dramatically since republican nominees to the SCOTUS have been seated on that bench. Its true, but it's a correlation, not a causation. This guy doesn't seem to get that quite yet. I hope he does because I am very impressed with his heart and talent.

[@Draezeth]

@@bgorg1 You dropped a word there, abortions have been greatly what?

[@bgorg1]

@@Draezeth "decreased"- my point is at one time he shows all the R nominated judges having no impact on RvW, but then later on shows, during how that same time abortions have gone done under a back and forth control of the executive. During that time since RvW a lot of new restrictions on abortion have been upheld. I think both of his examples are correlative, not causative, but they help his clearly held position. He also forgets Jimmy Carter was pro-life. Congress, not the president, had the ability during this time to make laws or adopt amendments limiting abortion. They did some of that, like the Hyde amendment from 1980. That is the inflection point and a very good indication that a republican led piece of legislation had a significant impact on abortion rates. There are a lot more elected officials than just a President and their judicial nominees don't always reflect their legal interpretation. This presenter, Skye, leaves a lot out.

[@inquiringminds782]

@@bgorg1 umm, I thought abortions are increasing

[@richardbianco9674]

@@bgorg1 the statistics speak for themselves. To contradict you, it didn't matter who was in office, or who was in congress, abortions dropped. The biggest argument not made by anyone except him is the fact that influences outside laws were the biggest influence. Healthcare, knowledge, adoption affordability and contraception have and will be the ways we eliminate abortion. Where medical necessity has been pretty much been ok'd, the biggest argument that can be fully based on opinion are the cases of rape/ incest. While a extremely small percentage, that'll pretty much be it

[@Bree8tiveBEing]

I appreciate this discussion on this topic. One thing I recently recognized some pro-life conservatives leave out of conversations is churches history of shaming/shunning women that so often leads to the very act of wanting to hide/terminate pregnancy in the first place. The purity culture that often prevents even engaging in conversations about sex, often create the conditions for sex before marriage in secret, in not feeling safe enough to talk with family or seek other trusted adults for advice and support, and being too ashamed or completely naive about how/where to get contraceptives if they do engage in sex. These factors are very much related to abortion rates, but I find that some pro-life conservatives aren't ready to talk about that reality... it would require empathy and personal responsibility rather than judgement and control. The intention of my comment is to further support the conversation started as a result of the video. My hope is that it helps us get more curious about the role(s) we can all play in these issues. I want to challenge folks to embrace the discomfort that comes from questioning what we think we know, transform our discomfort into inquiry/reflection/education, and recognize the complexity/nuance of this issue.

[@BayardMusicAndMore]

Getting contraceptives among the unmarried ( and married also) SHOULD be shameful because it is a sin.

[@TheCoffeeCrafterMinecraft]

@@BayardMusicAndMore please touch grass

[@aarontheone7193]

@@BayardMusicAndMore how is it a sin

[@tomrhodes1629]

GOD's prophet, the prophesied return of Elijah, speaks: Roe is now on its way out the door. And so are many other of your freedoms. And democracy itself. Because, you've been conned. In their ignorance, Christians have supported anti-Christ demagogues who use the abortion issue - your desire to control others - to control YOU. Christians err and will continue to err because they do not even know the TRUE "Gospel" ( GOOD NEWS) of GOD and Jesus Christ. And that's why I was sent in these end times, as prophesied. To learn more, click and ye shall find. (I don't receive KZbin comment notifications, but seekers will find how to contact me.)

[@roaaoife8186]

​@BayardMusicAndMore so you must support social safety net programs like universal Healthcare (to pay for the medical costs of having a child), universal daycare (to pay for the cost of watching a young child), food programs (to pay for the cost of feeding a child) etc etc. Or do you think that a husband and wife should deny each other if they can't afford another child? Or that a woman with health complications making child birth deadly should just never enjoy the bonds of marriage?

[@Lizz7711]

Well done! Stopping abortion will come from loving our neighbor - helping women by loving them and being a light.

[@FrankTurekVideo]

Would you recommend that same approach would be sufficient to reduce murder and rape if they were legal? How about slavery?

[@Lizz7711]

I'm all for abortion being illegal. But the fact remains that even while legal people will seek them out and it will on,y stop when women know they can be helped to either keep the baby or adopt out. Of course murders and rapes would decrease too if more people had loving families and supportive communities etc. Common sense. This is about putting all your hope for change on a political leader- just does not work.

[@FrankTurekVideo]

@@Lizz7711 It appears to me that the authors of this video are suggesting we give up on overturning Roe and vote for the party that not only wants to keep abortion legal but have the government pay for it. I think we should do what you suggest AND vote pro-life to reduce abortion.

[@elianasmith286]

Please read this argument against this video crossexamined.org/the-make-believe-veggietales-video-about-abortion/?fbclid=IwAR2BKoGK4D5zj1n7ipFzbp_M5-r9-O_yHttgHqigSxtVPVMAlU0NuPPcOyE

[@LulaMae21]

@@FrankTurekVideo That's not at all what I got from this video, but the fact that so many Christians can excuse a man who brags about his sins just because he says the right words is mind-boggling. There are far better ways to reduce abortions; countries that provide healthcare, poverty assistance, and good parental leave policies tend to have far lower rates of abortion than countries that have very restrictive abortion laws. And your first question just goes to show that you have no idea the factors that cause someone to seek abortion compared to the factors behind someone choosing to rape or murder.

[@ep5445]

Thank you for this video! I'm disturbed by the church's response to this election. We can't be willing to overlook all sorts of other evil for this one issue. Thankful for evangelical voices that are willing to speak out. Pro-life means ALL life, not just the unborn and the church is missing this.

[@andyarellanoChannel]

It's actually about 10 issues if you have paid attention at all. Removal of God from the public square, the structure of a family, the value of you as God made you, the innocence of children, the value of a parent, the adherence of law. if you think it is about one issue you have been severely blinded.

[@SonicBoomC98]

@@andyarellanoChannel I could see your point maybe if Republicans actually cared about any of this. They don't. Some one being Pro-Life doesn't justify every thing else about them. That's like saying criminals shouldn't go to jail because they do things for the poor. Also, the country was founded on the idea of the separation of church and state. Everyone has a different definition of God in the public square. Some of those other issues have nothing to do with the abortion issue or party because not everyone on the left agrees with some of those policies. As a matter fact some of the key portions of the party do not believe in any kind of war on religion. Most Dems have no problem with the idea of a strong family unit. That's like saying all Republicans support white supremecy. And you can say it's 10 things all you want but studies show the average person is only considering 2 or 3 factors when they make most decisions. Both parties vote for people who don't 100% line up with all their values.

[@ylparker50]

It is not about this one issue for me. Abortion will still be performed whether legal or illegal. People will do what they want anyway because it is called sin. This is one issue of Many that eill cost the godless Democrats my vote. The fact that Joe Biden supports the rights of an 8 yr old transgender child is enough for me to vote Republican.

[@feliciamurphy2189]

Why not? Abraham was a pagan named Abram before he was called by GOD, King David had a man killed so he could sleep with his wife and King Cyress was a pagan also. Yet Christ said that we do to the least ( some scholars say least mean weakest) you do to him. Don't be lukewarm. Abortion is as old as human kind. Yet is someone isn't allowed to live then what difference does anything else makes? Without the right to life there are no rights. Without life their is no "us".

[@Andy-gq5hb]

Yeah I still have no idea what evil you're talking about. You mean ending 3 wars in the middle east? Spending more to stop human trafficking than any other president? Pushing hard against abortion? Or is it that he is a Russian spy? Or a racist? Or a fascist dictator? Those are literally just inventions by the media and you all believed it.

[@TheBlueRoan316]

To be truly "pro-life" goes much deeper than the issue of abortion. To be truly pro-life you must care about what happens to a person from conception until there death. If your only issue of concern is abortion, you are pro-birth not pro-life. Most Republicans politicians who claim to be pro life are only pro birth, they don't really care what happens to a child after its born. Pro life means provide affordable healthcare for children and families. Pro life means providing for education and life long learning opportunities. Pro life means ensuring that the child's parents can find meaningful employment that pays a living wage so that they can support themselves. Pro life means ensuring that that everyone has access to safe, secure and truly affordable housing options. Pro life means ensuring that families have food security. Pro life means providing the dignity and care that our elderly have earned and deserve. I could go on and on and on, but I won't.

[@lbamusic]

..this is any excellent reply on what it means to be truly pro-life. Those who call themselves 'pro-lifers' generally ignore babies after they are born, and oppose social programs to help them.

[@covfefe_drumpfh]

This!

[@PinkSakuraBunnie]

Nailed it.

[@juliaarambula3153]

Wow this is good! I never really saw it from the perspective of after the child is born. But you’re right! It goes beyond the womb.

[@franciscoherrera5127]

I would like to work with you on putting this is Spanish.

[@ramanpreciado2241]

Esto es basua

[@olgaolga8991]

Yeah, let's brainwash them some more, novelas is not enough

[@watertower1]

@@olgaolga8991 how is this brain washing literally just facts and opinions

[@machomachinmachinmachinmac6910]

@@olgaolga8991 : Hey, that's a good idea. Plug all of this into a novela. People will gobble it up like tortillas.

[@Kipkemoi]

Maybe you could do a subtitle initially and mail it to them. That could help...

[@minimoe2807]

Knowledge is so freeing! Bless you guys for calmly bringing light into this topic. Next time someone tells me how fervently prolife they are I hope I have the courage to say, "Awsome!, which crisis pregnancy center do you volunteer at?, or have on your prayer list?, or support financially?" I truly feel like if we can have those conversations, in love and with a contrite spirit, we can effectively cause real change. Here's a challenge to all of us: Get to know one person at your local crisis pregnancy center (or the like) and show them love, support and put them on your prayer list. These are the folks saving lives daily, and it can be very exhausting. Remember. "God made you special and He loves you very much."

[@Andy-gq5hb]

Literally riddled with misleading stats.

[@harvestgleaner3585]

...Or... do those things and vote to make it illegal as well.

[@kerrizorn1843]

I want to thank you for putting these videos out. I've been a Christian for many years and politics have become such a hot issue. I've been incredibly confused and have felt isolated in my questioning of the current system. THANK YOU!

[@statutesofthelord]

If we don't vote, or vote for those who support abortion, the blood of the least of these my brethren will be on our hands.

[@ashasonu9620]

@@statutesofthelord the blood of the least is the hungry, those exploited as in the parable -and it is already upon you because of the way America exploits poor nations. Abortion may be a judgement upon a greedy nation rather thanthe cause of judgement alone.

[@statutesofthelord]

@@ashasonu9620 America doesn't exploit anybody. Thanks to America, the world has become much richer and safer. Please repent, and follow Jesus.

[@LulaMae21]

@@statutesofthelord America exploits even its own citizens. It's hard to believe you stated that with a straight face, but I'm sure you did. The least of these includes the children who are now without parents because they, even nursing infants, were ripped from their mother's arms and thrown in cages to teach other would-be refugees a lesson. It includes the people who are homeless through no fault of their own and who can't get help to get back on their feet. It includes the people of color who get put down and marginalized at every turn. Unborn babies are not the only 'least of these' and pretending they are is to ignore the words of Jesus.

[@danahuebner7358]

@@statutesofthelord did you watch the video? Did you miss the part where data is presented that the president has little to no impact on abortion? Please be careful with the condescending rhetoric you’ve been using in your response to other commenters. Non-believers also read your comments. I wouldn’t step foot in the church you attend by the way you speak, and I am a believer.

[@rayjoe5]

Looks like we're going to need an update to this video.

[@wheresyourhousekey]

This was amazing. I've been feeling so much guilt for being a Christian and thinking differently on this stance. But this is EXACTLY how I feel and what I've been trying to express in words. Thank you for sharing this light in such a confusing world !

[@georgannhaeffner6589]

Me, too!

[@Wilsontripplets]

I consider myself prochoice and i lean democrat as a lot of republicans stance on religon turns me off on a good amount of them. Being pro choice does not mean pro abortion i just want women to have the ability to use an abortion that is safe and effective when THEY want to do so. Yes this is a very grey area, as a fetus is a life and aroubd half way through a pregnency feels pain which is a sign of awareness of its body and what is around it abortion SHOULD be more heavily restricted aroubd halfway to 2/3 of a pregnency. Just a sad point is a late of states that restrict abortion also advocate abstenense only sex ed and birth control which means teens and some adults go into this whole thing blind with no major knowledge of sex or how to do it safely even when having access to birth control. Abortion sadly is needed even with good, safe, and effective birth control because there will ALWAYS be a failure rate with birth control.

[@maddie7899]

Yes!! Me too

[@tomrhodes1629]

Guilt be gone! Guilt and fear are your only enemies, Truth be known. THAT'S the GOOD NEWS of Jesus Christ, which men have corrupted. GOD's prophet, the prophesied return of Elijah, speaks: Roe is now on its way out the door. And so are many other of your freedoms. And democracy itself. Because, you've been conned. In their ignorance, Christians have supported anti-Christ demagogues who use the abortion issue - your desire to control others - to control YOU. Christians err and will continue to err because they do not even know the TRUE "Gospel" ( GOOD NEWS) of GOD and Jesus Christ. And that's why I was sent in these end times, as prophesied. To learn more, click and ye shall find. (I don't receive KZbin comment notifications, but seekers will find how to contact me.)

[@bbybluandthenfitinitesadne7197]

I’m so glad I found this channel. I’ve been so disenfranchised from the church and can’t imagine myself returning to Christianity-but as a Christian you seem to represent all the values the church teaches of how Christians are actually supposed to be rather than the hypocrisy I’ve personally witnessed. In this political climate it feels impossible to have a respectful conversation with someone about their opposing views and be able to listen and be listened to calmly. This is the type of discussion we should be able to have. I have so much respect for your ability to present these issues comprehensively and objectively and the discussions you raise, I’m getting so much out of it! Thank you for putting this stuff out there!!!

[@bradyjames.x]

Lecrae brought me here. Got to open for him before quarantine started in Canada. Really good dude. This video has been eye opening personally.

[@CommadoreGothnogDragonheart]

A couple of things that were glossed over are the significant impact of easy access to inexpensive birth control and comprehensive sex education in schools. Every time we see these two things employed, there is a significant drop in abortions. Most people ignore the fact that the common ground between pro-choice and pro-life is that both sides are in favor of as few abortions as possible.

[@symonelopez-mondy8946]

If you're a christian than you believe in honoring God with your body. God never created us for lust, if someone loves us marriage is first and keep in my the marriage together is second.

[@CommadoreGothnogDragonheart]

@@symonelopez-mondy8946 That's not true at all. All acts of love and pleasure are divine.

[@vikibollier3669]

Captain Gothnog-love & sex between a man & woman are divine. With that comes personal responsibility. Actions have consequences. And, unfortunately unborn babies are aborted. God creates all life.

[@CommadoreGothnogDragonheart]

@@vikibollier3669 Have you not read the Bible? According to the Bible, life begins at the first breath when the soul enters the body, so no babies are aborted. If you want to point fingers at actual baby killing, few have matched god in that respect. In the Bible alone he slaughtered millions of innocent children. Regarding responsibility, I'm glad to hear you say that. I assume that means you favor easy access to inexpensive birth control and comprehensive sex education in schools. Preventing pregnancy is the most responsible thing someone can do, and we know for a fact that those things reduce abortion rates.

[@karenmarie33]

This presentation completely ignores the effect of Roe in forming the consciences of women to view abortion as morally acceptable and the corresponding effect this has on the demand for abortions.

[@karenmarie33]

PS. Huge fan of Veggietales, our entire family has many of the silly songs put to memory, and our grown kids will put them on every so often. Thank you for bringing Christian principles to them in such a fun and creative way.

[@aikido7]

Once abortions become illegal, the doctors who provide abortions will begin to interconnect with other doctors and develop better surgical methods to provide abortions.

[@Brave-828]

Concrete data has already shown that Roe has had no effect as abortions were much higher before it. Oh Karen 😃

[@b.l.norris9731]

@@aikido7 What is your point here?

[@doright9681]

Heart issues are not changed by laws.

[@aliciahall2171]

The ACA was directly responsible for eliminating my out-of-pocket cost for contraceptives

[@dollymadison2397]

I am SO grateful for this! SO much education & clarification! What an awesome service to all of us! THANK YOU to all that had a hand in this. production!!!!

[@chad2293]

well roe v wade was overturned

[@marcusibrahim]

How can I “double-like this video??” It’s not about the politics. It’s about true LOVE! Love your neighbor as yourself. Help those [women and children in this case] in need of guidance and support so that they make good decisions that honor God and keep themselves out of trouble. Invest in the community so that people will grow spiritually and in love toward one another. THAT IS THE SOLUTION. THANK YOU SKYE!

[@nancytaulbee3009]

What about loving the baby? What happened to being responsible for your actions? If you're going to have sex, be responsible in using birth control!! And talking about Loving others, why don't we LOVE and bless others that can't have a baby. Save a life, bless and love a family.

[@statutesofthelord]

Would you say that it was wrong for Christians to be a "one issue" voter on slavery in 1860? Abortion is much worse than slavery ever was.

[@LulaMae21]

@@nancytaulbee3009 Birth control isn't failproof. I've personally worked with a baby whose mother had an IUD in place when she got pregnant; she WAS being responsible and still got a baby she wasn't planning for! I used to think like you but have grown to realize the issues aren't that simplistic (adoption carries its own issues and I'd suggest doing some research on the adoption industry and the trauma to both first mothers and adoptees historically and currently before suggesting it as a fix-all for unwanted babies).

[@quikbeam03]

I feel like this video is a huge straw man. Are pro-life people really voting Republican just so the president can appoint enough justices to overturn Roe? I don't think so. That sounds like how a the pro-choice side would falsely characterize someone as only wanting to take away women's rights. The video also completely ignores (and almost actively denies) that the Supreme Court has chipped away at the insanity of the Roe decision-which effectively and unilaterally declared every abortion restriction in the entire country as unconstitutional-on multiple instances. It also fails to mention that Joe Biden no longer supports the Hyde Amendment, the loss of which would drastically change the structure of funding for abortion in the country. The Lozier Institute estimates that amendment alone has prevented approximately 60,000 abortions per year since 1980. And the video talks about the importance of certain restrictions, but it leaves out the fact that Democrats as a group don't support any of those restrictions and actively seek to remove them. If you're pro-life, do you need to do more than try to get faithful Catholics onto the Supreme Court? Yes, of course. But I have to ask any Christian straight out. Are you willing to vote for a man who will seek to expand federal funding for abortion and whose running mate (who is very likely to become president before the term is up) actively worked with Planned Parenthood to silence and shut down the investigative reporter who revealed that they were trafficking in fetal body parts? (www.centerformedicalprogress.org/2020/10/new-video-planned-parenthood-and-kamala-harris-colluded-to-weaponize-ca-video-recording-law-against-disfavored-speech/) Updates: Changed the link from a Facebook post to the creator of the video along with more information and a petition to sign again trafficking in fetal body parts.

[@bruceberry5331]

In your comment you stated that the SCOTUS has actively chipped away at the insanity of Roe v. Wade, brother I have been looking through cases and cases on this and have only found sise stepping and voting in favor of abortion rights. In fact, the latest was the Lousiana case. What are you referring to here?

[@guitarfan01]

The possibility of Roe v. Wade being overturned was the stated reason I was given by many of my Christian pro-life friends for voting for DT in 2016.

[@cdadamly]

I grew up in a small town with many churches and a lot of backward ideas. Many christians in that area are encouraged to vote Republican specifically because of the issue of abortion.

[@quikbeam03]

​@@bruceberry5331 I'm referring to Maher v Roe (1979) and Harris vs McRae (1980) which decided that a woman didn't have a right to public funds for an abortion. The 1980 decision upheld the Hyde Amendment which I mentioned in my comment. So that's a decision that has saved roughly 2,000,000 lives in the last 40 years. Another was PP vs Casey (1992) which finally allowed states a number of restrictions on abortion and also changed the arbitrary trimester framework of Roe to a somewhat less arbitrary pre/post-viability test. Also four justices in that case dissented from the affirmation of Roe. Finally, Gonzales vs Carhart (2007) upheld the partial birth abortion ban of 2003 and also allowed the statute to stand even though it did not include a provision for the health of the mother. This emboldened states to make a number of new restrictions on abortion including ultrasound requirements and even banning it completely after 20 weeks. Or recently even earlier in states like Alabama and Georgia. You'll notice that those three dates correspond to some of the biggest drops in abortion numbers on the graph at 9:41. I don't think that's a coincidence.

[@quikbeam03]

@@cdadamly I didn't say anything about voting Republican just on the issue of abortion. A major problem with the video is it centers the voting question specifically around getting Supreme court justices to overturn Roe, ignoring all the other ways Republicans and justices on the Supreme could have worked against abortion. It reduces the "single issue" down to just a subset of the actual issue. It is a major component because Roe was so badly decided and just about the worst example of legislating from the bench in the history of the US. Just read the actual majority opinion and the dissenting opinions at the time. Those men effectively overturned the will legislatures of around half the country for a woman who later changed her mind and became pro-life.

[@Hendrixdh]

A medical system where basic healthcare services are free at the point of delivery would drastically reduce abortions.

[@mbuyotimwangala343]

Thank you for such an enlightening video. I came across your videos yesterday and I keep on coming back. Very very educative, keep up the good work, and excellent work done on researching.

[@tonymbondo]

I like how this Chanel focuses on facts not feelings nor political lines coz men neither both sides are angels

[@camillebeasley4324]

No “facts” are even cited. He is obviously trying to manipulate you to not vote for Trump along with all of these other woke videos from this channel.

[@tonymbondo]

Am voting for neither coz am Kenyan but if I was a US citizen my decision would be hard since am a Sanctified blood washed follower of Christ and none of those dudes project my values

[@elianasmith286]

Welp, since you care about facts, I hope you care about them enough to read actual facts here ;) crossexamined.org/the-make-believe-veggietales-video-about-abortion/?fbclid=IwAR2BKoGK4D5zj1n7ipFzbp_M5-r9-O_yHttgHqigSxtVPVMAlU0NuPPcOyE

[@SonicBoomC98]

@@camillebeasley4324 how is that any different that manipulating people to vote for Trump and some Republicans who only appear to be Christians?

[@IMDABROWN]

Just found this channel today. Thank you for expanding my knowledge and understanding.

[@pattysandiego]

Don't listen to this channel these are not real Christians. They are trying to deceive and confuse.

[@EpicKate]

Oh this was beautiful. Every evangelical needs to watch this.

[@andre0baskin]

One thing that is little talked about in the US abortion debate is class and money. Abortion restrictions overwhelmingly impact poor women and have little to no impact on women of means. If abortion was made illegal in the US tomorrow, a woman who has the means to get on a plane and fly to a country where abortion is safe and available would be be impacted. This has to be one of the clearest cases of one law for the rich and another one for the poor.

[@seancribbs6241]

Thank you Phil, Skye, and the entire Holy Post crew for all of the work and research you do for these videos! Well done!

[@leadinged]

Research? They omitted all kinds of stuff. Better fact check. I did. I think this is a terrible video for my reasons above/below.

[@Magnulus76]

Years ago I went to a church where the pastor was unequivocally pro-life (it was an Old Catholic church), but also was against making abortion illegal. Because he personally knew women who died because they sought unsafe abortion methods, because safe abortions were illegal. It's easy to sit back and condemn abortion in the abstract, it's harder to translate that into good public policy when public policy involves real human beings that Christians should care about.

[@stevekjr9563]

Sin has consequences, in this life and the next.

[@micelenelson5048]

@Jessica Arnette NO MAM IT DOES NOT. NOT IF IT IS TRULY A PRIORITY. I HAVE FACED NUMEROUS TOUGH CHALLENGES THAT HAVE TAUGHT ME IT IS CRUCIAL TO STICK TO MY VALUES, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT IS TOUGH.

[@beckyfast1463]

@@stevekjr9563 sick of being called a consequence. Check your retoric, real humans here.

[@johnbaker5110]

I don't agree. While I sympathize with women who are in terrible situations that make them feel like they have to have an abortion, I won't ever get to the place where I feel like the brutal murder of an innocent child is the answer to solve their problem. Abortion is harmful for both the child and the mother. Unborn babies are real humans too.

[@zivadavid1775]

Killing a baby shouldn't be clean, easy or safe. It isn't clean, easy or safe to kill your inconvenient neighbor, why should it be for killing a baby?

[@vintagecreativemedia]

I guess this didn't age well.

[@azophi]

This guy got ratiod when he said “we still haven’t overturned roe”

[@joelallen390]

This is the smartest thing I've read on abortion in a very long time. Thanks so much! I'm recommending it all round.

[@zepolekul]

Thank you guys for putting this video out!!

[@andybanman260]

We shouldn't make racism illegal because there will still be racists. Its the same argument

[@1877theflip]

I appreciate the research on this so much. Thank you gentlemen.

[@georgiaharris9930]

THANK YOU! As a born again Christian believer I am so glad you brought this issue of single issue voting. I dreaded every day listening to the news because it was always about Trump and not the issues. Christians need to look at the whole picture and not just this one thing.

[@ATV327]

Very informative. I knew the President had little impact in this realm, but to me it still speaks to a candidate's moral character. It seems nearly impossible to find a fully suitable candidate on either side with the lense of love. It is vital that we are involved and informed in our local state government elections, not just the presidency. I surmise you'd be hard-pressed to find the majority of voters researching state issues on their ballot. There are some dangerously concerning issues in my state.

[@guitarfan01]

If you're talking about moral character, I really hope you're not talking about Trump giving lip service to anti-abortion outweighing literally everything else he says.

[@barbramae4942]

@@guitarfan01 I think that you need to look at Biden's track record on abortion rights. He earlier believed and stated Roe V Wade was wrong and he voted in favor of the Hyde Amendment. Fast forward, now he's pro abortion rights. Seems to me he's the one giving lip service.

[@leadinged]

I think terrible video for my reasons above.

[@mountaineermatt5900]

This video was amazing-who would’ve thought veggietales would come in clutch and unbiasly inform us-great vid!

[@richardroyster6631]

I am happily impressed by your work and clear message. I am sharing this with my former seminarians. This has been a supportive piece for me personally in my Pro-Whole-Life position. Thank ypu and God Bless you.

[@marshallpierre9483]

I just discovered this channel yesterday and it made me realized that there have always been solutions at our disposal and that were far too vulnerable to the sensational politics of the day to think clearly.

[@davidheras5263]

Thank you, Skye and Phil, for this very thoughtful video.

[@covfefe_drumpfh]

If only all pro-lifer's had this mentality. This was the best argument I've ever seen coming from any pro-lifer other than just "aBoRtiOn Is MuRdEr". In the end, it's true: creating a truly conducive environment for pregnant women and families is what will help with all of this.

[@JoshuaClingman]

Wow, this was so informative and enlightening. Gave me an entirely new perspective on this issue. Thank you!

[@ashleyzertuche7616]

Wow this was awesome! Thank you so much for doing this topic!

[@joeharrisoncomposer]

Thank you for putting this together; y'all (and David French) have been instrumental in helping me adjust my thoughts on how to tackle abortion. It's interesting, because even without doing any research, back in 2016 I had begun suspecting much of this was the case, anyway. My wife is Pro-Choice, which created some clashing in the Past, but because we are married and live in the same space, we were essentially forced to working it out, talking, and trying to find common ground. She really helped me understand the situation a bit better from a Pro-Choice perspective, as I helped her understand the Pro-Life perspective a bit better. Hillary Clinton was the first Democrat I had ever voted for in my entire voting history, because I had always been a Single-Issue Voter. But I was just so concerned with a Trump presidency, I could not vote for him. Over the last couple of years, I've been researching the abortion situation further, and had come to many of the same conclusions you guys have brought up on the podcast, and in this video. And discovering your podcast this Summer opened me up to even more research and data, for which I have been very grateful. The reality is much different than most Politicians want us to believe. The Republican politicians have played Conservative Christians (and Pro-Lifers in general) like a fiddle, because they have everything to gain by keeping us tethered to them on the abortion issue. I have no doubt their greatest fear is that, some day, Evangelicals will realize they simply cannot rely on the Republican Party any longer to end abortion. And don't get me wrong, as you briefly pointed out in this video, the Democrat politicians are doing the same on the other end of the spectrum. It's all generalizing, misleading, and fear-mongering to keep the votes coming in. Because it's all about power. It's also interesting to me that many Christian Conservatives will go all-in on the Abortion issue with trying to end it legislatively, but when it comes to Systemic Racism and trying to end THAT through political means, it is dismissed as just being a "sin issue," so "there's not really anything we can do about it." And the politicians are just fine with us believing that way, because it keeps the votes pouring in.

[@eddymoney4271]

Christians go all-in on the abortion issue because it is LEGAL and has been deemed CONSTITUTIONAL.... our government effectively mandates that it is not wrong. If the U.S. government legalized murder or deemed it constitutional, would you still say it's not political issue (which if we're calling abortion what it is, it's murder)? "Systemic" racism... or racism... is not legal. You are advocating for more government to fix man's issues of sin. Incredibly contradictive. Good luck.

[@joeharrisoncomposer]

@@eddymoney4271 Hi Eddy, I didn't mean to imply that I don't think Abortion is a political issue. I think it IS an issue we can engage with, politically, but I disagree with the average Conservative Pro-Life belief of how exactly we should go about doing that.

[@eddymoney4271]

@@joeharrisoncomposer That is fair. I certainly agree that making abortion illegal or unconstitutional will not eliminate abortions nationwide. I do have issues with asserting that government has no role in the issue. I think a big question to ask is what importance/role does the government play in dictating morality. It can't be zero, but it also can't be everything.

[@joeharrisoncomposer]

@@eddymoney4271 I definitely echo that same question. I certainly do not have the answer myself, and this is why I wish more people from either side would come together and discuss the issue. Because we actually all agree on one main thing: pretty much nobody "likes" abortion. Pro-Choicers don't see it as murder, but, nevertheless, most think it is a messy and complicated business that no mother should, ideally, find herself facing. So, even if Pro-Life and Pro-Choice advocates don't agree on whether or not it's murder, we CAN all agree that none of us are "Pro-Abortion." And I think that's a big enough common ground for working out some answers to the problem. The problem is, this is where the Politicians come in, like a bull in a china shop. They just continue to fear-monger and egg their voters on, because that's what secures their votes. "The Republicans are coming for women's rights!" "The Democrats want to keep murdering babies!" And it just continues to polarize us on this issue, which is (I believe) the exact wrong way to go about dealing with this.

[@leadinged]

disagree. I think this is a terrible video for my reasons above/below

[@clarkeflippo9004]

The most in depth, informative, levelheaded presentation on this subject I've seen. Excellent job!

[@Gratista]

Wow, wow, wow! Why does this video not have millions of views? Thank you for showing us that the easy answers provided by politicians are not necessarily true!

[@Ironwill3004]

Conservative Christians: “We need a conservative Court to overrule abortion!” *The Decades-Old Conservative Supreme Court:* 👀

[@billmarshall268]

Haven't had one till recently.

[@RayRay06122]

@@billmarshall268 ….There has been a majority Conservative Supreme Court for decades.

[@billmarshall268]

@@RayRay06122 that's not true

[@RayRay06122]

@@billmarshall268 Google is free….

[@billmarshall268]

@@RayRay06122 so are there voting records.

[@carawadley317]

So appreciative of this video! I have been following the Libertarian party, which does not fight to overturn abortion, as it would infringe on personal freedoms. I have struggled through that a lot, but eventually came to similar conclusions as this video. I can still be pro-life without voting for those who expressly advocate for it.

[@nayinayi1]

I just subscribed! Thank you guys for this information...

[@BrantAxt]

As an ex-Christian atheist, thank you so much for making informative videos for the Christian community based on facts and not rhetoric. Denial of data and facts were not the reason that I left the faith, but they were one of the reasons that I left the community.

[@nightprowler6336]

Will you return to Christianity brother?

[@BrantAxt]

@@nightprowler6336 Not until they remove the idea of an eternal judgement based on a temporary existence. There is not enough forgiveness in that system for me. There needs to be opportunity for redemption in the afterlife to be anywhere near a fair system. So unless Christianity forfeits the idea of heaven, I will not be returning.

[@eliyahkilada338]

@@BrantAxt I hear you brother. Do you feel like we don’t get enough chances to repent in this life that it’s only fair to have more chances after life? While I 100% agree with you this is a temporarily short life compared to eternity and we would think you shouldn’t be punished eternally for a decision made within what is in comparison very very short time. While that thought is plausible, two things I would consider though: 1. While this life seems too short, it has been planned by God from eternity past, from before time began. So, it’s very very very valuable, albeit short. 2. Long lasting effects of short-life decisions, is not new, it’s something we see in history and in our lives all the time. Think of a tree that is 2000 years old and strayed by a seed. Think of a an ideology believed by millions of years and through thousands of years, that started by a thought by one person. Think of world war killing millions of people coming out of a thought of one man. My point is, the multiplication effect of results good or bad, and the multitude of fruits, is a law of nature we are familiar with. 3. If we would give the author of the eternal judgement a chance; the Bible says that God doesn’t want any one to perish and that he gives man many and many and many chances to repent. Do we deserve more after death? Blessings to you my brother and my prayers are for you.

[@SavedSkeptic]

@@BrantAxt you should follow the truth, not what you would like. You can’t change reality no matter how much you deny it.

[@firstchairs]

If my line of thought is “vote for trump and he’ll end abortion,” I should reconsider my vote. If my vote takes into consideration public safety, persecuted Christians, taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood, etc. then it makes more sense to vote for a candidate you believe will support those causes.

[@eddymoney4271]

Thank you. So much more at stake here dealing with abortion...

[@thirstypilgrim97]

Don't forget Trumps unprecedented fight against sex trafficking, and his judge appointments that will protect our religious liberties. Biden thinks 8 year olds have a right to get sex hormone therapy to transition.

[@leadinged]

Agree. I think this is a terrible video for my reasons above. These guys want you to vote Democrat.

[@shanteladams7613]

You people are so narrow minded. Taking away healthcare from pre existing conditions is worse than religious liberty. Jesus fought for the marginalized, not for power. There would be less abortions if life out of the womb had a little help

[@leadinged]

@@shanteladams7613 I heard Trump say recently that pre existing conditions would be covered. In any event "had a little help" needs explaining. Lack of money is no excuse. That help exists and furthermore the so called poor of today are far wealthier than the poor of 100 years ago. I think convenience or inconvenience is the word you are looking for. Keep in mind what we are talking about here. Is it a baby or not? is it murder or not?

[@40angel1]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thanks for the truth with Facts. We must be about our Father's business (saving the lost).

[@reginaqueen7637]

You are so awesome 👏🏽 thank you for bringing intelligence and balance to this conversation.

[@melt4769]

Thank you for so clearly articulating this and supporting your arguments with historical data.

[@patricianewhart8289]

I have always said ending abortion is not a matter of the law but a matter of the heart. We must change the heart and it starts one heart at a time. Am I gullible? No. One man named William Willerford spent his time as a member of the British Parliment fighting for the abolition of slavery. For years he was ridiculed by his parliamentary peers. But he stayed the course and three days after his death Parliment voted to abolish slavery. Then the British government took it one step farther. When British warships spotted what they believed was a slave ship they pulled close and the British Captain would announce that British troops were to board. Any resistance was met by a warning shot being fired by the Brits Canon. Over 150,000 slaves were saved from a life of slavery. They were welcomed into British society, many were educated and interracial marriage in Britain was considered acceptable. It started with one heart, a Parlimentarian and spread to other hearts.bWould the total abolishing of abortion end abortion in our country? This video shows the answer is no. As a prolife born again Christian am I the only one whose considered the question....if abortion is banned will pro choice, radical feminist organizations, Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry go quietly into the night? No. They would fight. We would see violence far greater then occurred after George Flyods death. Violent protests, the bombing of federal buildings and innocent lifes lost. The scripture says " let us love one another because God is of love" Let us love abortion believers into God's kingdom. Yes life is precious in the womb.. But it is precious from the wombbto the grave. I once was a single issue voter. No more. I will vote for those who will provide better Healthcare and access to other benefits that have proven to reduce abortiins

[@spartakos3178]

"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness" ...it's idiotic to even ask the question, the right to life, the right not to be tortured, dissected and have your parts sold for a profit, is the most fundamental right in any system influenced by Christ.

[@JL0007]

But our system also allows capital punishment which rejects the ideas of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If we have a right to life and to not be tortured for profit, then our prison system is immoral.

[@marilynmatthews3427]

@@JL0007 you see no difference between slaughtering mercilessly a totally innocent defenseless baby and ending the life of a convicted violent criminal then?

[@JL0007]

@@marilynmatthews3427 I see a difference in their behavior, obviously. But I don't see what justifies killing either one of them.

[@gadaadhoon]

Did you watch the video? They are pro-life. They are just pointing out the current approach is not very effective.

[@tl1405]

@@JL0007 @John L if your are Christian then you know that God prescribed capital punishment for example in Leviticus for severe crimes, although mercy was allowed. He also wiped out the cannanites who worshipped idols and sacrificed children.

[@WilliamRHorne-hi2yr]

Can you all make captions available on this video for my deaf friends

[@brucee8332]

The Affordable Care Act helped reduce abortions.

[@reallifeanswers9764]

Amazing! I never knew all of this. Thanks

[@judolphin]

You should use Colorado as an example. Free IUDs for teens and the poor = 50% reduction in abortion from 2010-2020.

[@foxylockxy]

Access to sex education and contraceptives is the #1 reducer of what pro lifers call actual murder, you'd think they'd be all about that?!?

[@TwinRiver100]

It's too bad his guest didn't mention in addition to being a good neighbor and helping others, he didn't mention your suggestions. Mainly having comprehensive sex ed in addition to access to good health care perhaps job opportunities etc. Pretty much try to fix up the life and environment of those who go for abortion because they either aren't ready to support a kid or whatever the other reason. That way folks are less likely to abort in most cases with the exception of the very rare instances...I know I probably am leaving out a few pts, but these were the main things I could think of at short notice.

[@statutesofthelord]

@@foxylockxy Your suggestion doesn't touch the heart of the matter - sin.

[@statutesofthelord]

@@Alex-qf2lb "pay for contraception to saved a life". That makes no sense. If we were in 1860, and the issue was slavery, would we be silent, or would we vote for someone to change the law to reduce and eliminate the evil? Abortion is much more evil than slavery ever was.

[@statutesofthelord]

@@Alex-qf2lb Your lack of empathy for Jesus Christ in the person of the least of these my brethren is frightening, Alex. Are you sure you're not very concerned whether his brains get sucked out or not?

[@TheZeroNeonix]

I like that this is coming from a Christian perspective, with the assumption that abortions are wrong. And they still come to the conclusion that voting for Pro-Life politicians based solely on that one issue is a waste of time. I don't know who you guys vote for, but you have a healthy way of thinking, putting facts and data above rhetoric, and that is depressingly rare.

[@quikbeam03]

It seems they just come to the conclusion that you shouldn't vote only on the hope of appointing Roe-overturning justices, which is kinda dumb because it ignores all the other pro-life policies Democrats don't care for and all the restrictions Republican appointed justices have allowed over the years without actually ending Roe (Hyde Amendment, Casey, etc.)

[@oxymoron9548]

Wow, so powerful! Thank you Phil!🙏

[@LeifHetlandMinistries]

Appreciate the clarity of the message and the unbiased way of communicate it..

[@GarethMatteson]

This is why I love listening to the Holy Post Podcast! Skye and Phil (🎶and sometimes Christian🎶 lol) care so much about truth that they're willing to lead listeners into unpopular territory for the sake dismantling misinformation. They're always willing to risk their reputations for the sake of fostering independant thought. Some Christians will act so singularly minded that you feel dumb for questioning them. But with the Holy Post folks, they're genuine in their exploration of what actually needs to change in Christian culture. Some childhood heroes disappoint you when you grow up, but Phil Vischer has only given me more reason to admire him.

[@CRoadwarrior]

I usually love listening to Holy Post too, but this time they've engaged in sophistry, special pleading, and illogical, all of which I intend to demonstrate beyond my large post earlier in a video response. The very title is flawed, since it assumes something that is not necessarily true; that Christians determine how they vote on "one" issue. That does not follow logically, and it is not true overall. So if there is misinformation that needs "dismantling," it is some of what was said in this video.

[@coolnamja]

1. It is the government's responsibility to protect the sanctity of human life. Abrogation of this responsibility, therefore, disqualifies the candidate. 2. If rhetoric matters for one side, it should matter for the other. Bottom line, rhetoric matters. The gov't must be able to reiterate, "You shall not murder."

[@eliyahkilada338]

The statistics are shaky in my opinion. Response here by experts in the field - www.liveaction.org/news/veggietales-creators-what-about-abortion-short-facts/

[@rickymack7903]

This is so informative! I needed this. Thank you for providing this.

[@1991jj]

This is the most insightful and balanced piece I've seen on this issue.

[@MsLolicakes]

This is a really great video and I wished more Christians viewed voting this way. I would beg to differ though that Obama's presidency did impact the abortion rate. His implementation of the Affordable Care Act and his contraception mandate helped support women to be able to afford contraception which gave better opportunity to avoid unwanted pregnancies altogether.

[@TaylorQuade]

What an incredible video. This channel is a breath of fresh air in this current, partisan atmosphere in the church. I really appreciate that you don't tell the viewer how they should vote. You also question the goals of pro-lifers, which should be to end or reduce abortion, but is currently just to vote republican.

[@chrissyg.4321]

@taylor Don't believe everything you see. www.liveaction.org/news/veggietales-creators-what-about-abortion-short-facts/

[@TaylorQuade]

​ @Chrissy G. Thanks for reminding me that I need to be more critical of information I hear/read on the internet. I've edited my comment to more accurately convey my thoughts on the video. My main issue with pro-life, single-issue-voter christians is the narrow mindedness. Voting republican is not the only answer to end abortion, and voting democrat should not automatically label someone as pro-choice or non-christian. Political affiliation is not a golden ticket to righteousness.

[@lydiaorrell2226]

oh thank you!! this is the best, most well rounded, real, convicting thing I've heard on this subject !

[@shrondabaylor]

Thank you for putting this info. out. Politics are going to always be politics - it's people making an impact in other people's lives.

[@SandyKH]

Thank you. This made my day. You make it clear without telling people how to vote. God bless.

[@elianasmith286]

The lies saddened me. Here's the truth crossexamined.org/the-make-believe-veggietales-video-about-abortion/?fbclid=IwAR2BKoGK4D5zj1n7ipFzbp_M5-r9-O_yHttgHqigSxtVPVMAlU0NuPPcOyE

[@LulaMae21]

@@elianasmith286 That article is far from the truth and is full of its own lies and justification to vote for the most authoritarian president we have had in decades, if not ever. The fact is that countries with good access to healthcare and parental leave policies have far lower rates of abortion than countries with restrictive policies on abortion. Making it illegal does nothing but make it less safe for those who are desperate enough to seek it out. And arguing that the current administration is pro-life is laughable when you examine their track record on other matters pertaining to the sanctity of human life.

[@JoanieDoeShadow]

It was a Republican lead supreme Court who ruled Roe vs Wade to start with!

[@michaelschaefer1904]

Truly conservative lawyers are an endangered species. The Ivy League is corrupt (see all the wealth).

[@Origen17]

Party doesn't matter. They can all make bad rulings

[@genevadixon8426]

@@michaelschaefer1904 Well, we sure don’t need an extremist like Amy CB, who spent her life in a cult, deciding cases.

[@ttamcc.4674]

@@Origen17 very tru

[@ttamcc.4674]

@@genevadixon8426 but i like Amy shes a good family woman

[@MalanJonesMusic]

14:53 May you cite this quote by Dr. John Sedalia? Where is the source for this?

[@user-vl7ys9nh1h]

When he said, "we still haven't overturned Roe." I had to check the date on the video.

[@danielburch7149]

Phil and Skye, do you have any thoughts on the arguments and premises of this video now that the supreme court seems poised to overturn Roe v. Wade? Anything you see differently or anything you might change?

[@MonicaHebert]

Ya'll wanta have a redeaux? I'd love to hear your thoughts/ perspective regarding abortion as it currently sits in the country. 5/21/23

[@MaverickChristian]

Such an interesting video. I'm sharing this.

[@okashi6]

I would argue that republican efforts have actually hurt the pro-life movement. Education, access to affordable healthcare, welfare assistance for single mothers, access to contraceptives, longer protected maternity leaves, all these things lead to less unplanned pregnancies and less fear of having a child. The highest rates of teen pregnancies are in red states that only teach abstinence in their sex Ed classes. We need people to be educated on safe sex and the risks of sex, we need mothers to feel protected after they give birth. To often we focus solely on the pregnancy and then forget about them once the child is born

[@that_heretic]

100% so. But few voters make decisions based on facts. It's almost all emotion. We'd have a much different political climate, and live in a much better society, if more voters made decisions firmly planted in reality.

[@jonhilderbrand4615]

Voting for a Republican candidate to eliminate abortion is like burning your house down to get rid of termites.

[@feath7457]

Voting for a Democrat is voting in favor of all sexual immorality. There are MANY reasons NOT to vote democrat

[@RuslanKD]

well this didn't age well... considering the Supreme Court potentially over turning roe v wade.

[@Reb4star]

"It's okay if you disagree, but it's worth having the conversation" P.V

[@scrubasarus2192]

It didn't age that poorly because he said it would just go back to a state by state patchwork of laws. Plus the real issue isn't about Roe v Wade, it's that people will vote along a party line because of a single issue in that party "platform" and will disregard their actual qualifications for the job.

[@wisdomsnap8695]

So there was a brief that was leaked. If you think about it politically, the right will suffer if roe v wade is overturned. It will ignite the democratic base into state by state battles thus ramping up the cost to run successful post roe v wade federal level campaigns on the right. The supreme court will be taken for granted in a way that can no longer ignite the base. My prediction is the brief being leaked might possibly insure a case doesn't come up where that ruling can happen not because of Democrats but because of republicans who don't want to lose a simple and easy to exploit wedge issue.

[@nimrodthewise836]

The best way to reduce SAFE abortions is education and access to contraception, but it is a body autonomy issue, not a religious one.

[@nsambataufeeq1748]

This a problem of mostly economically disadvantaged young women.

[@stevej.7926]

Now this is a channel that I can get behind.

[@mikeerickson287]

Very simply, do I vote for a person who advocates for the killing of unborn children? Even though Roe continues to exist and may not get overturned, it still matters what value a person believes about abortion. Does abortion matter to God? Is it a sin? And if it does and it is a sin, do you not think God will hold those who advocate for abortion accountable? Jesus taught it wasn't simply the action (murder) as it what was in the heart (hatred). Thus, not simply those who get an abortion or those who perform the abortion but those those give assent to abortion who will answer to God. My voting for a person who advocates for an abortion would mean I'm giving consent to that person's views on abortion. Yes, we have a president that has severe character flaws but what evil is greater than murdering innocent unborn children?

[@debrac3391]

Are you really pro-life? Most conservative Christians aren't.

[@andrewawakened628]

@Mike Erickson Very well stated, Mike.

[@natasharones9103]

This response, though heartfelt and true to you is the very heart of tunnel vision. Here your main emphasis is degree of sin and intent of heart. And your judgement of both in two men you cannot know. I am not trying to persuade your vote. It doesn’t matter as heavily as we all would like to think. What I am trying to persuade is for you to grab a hold of the action that would help the most. Get involved person to person and share the love of God and the good news of the gospel to those who need it. Also, pray daily for God to open all of our eyes to his truth daily and to allow the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives as the helper and revealer. Be blessed!

[@reniaesaddler8632]

The Lord looks into the heart. He doesn’t judge by appearances or words.

[@tl1405]

The disdain for God of such a man would also lead to restriction of religious liberties that promote the gospel. If such a man will not even utter "one nation under God".....

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

Answer? Yes

[@faithgraham7525]

Excellent. As nuanced and complex as human sexuality itself. It's love not the law that changes behavior. Thank you.

[@writermomo4]

So...we didn’t need the Emancipation Proclamation or the 14th Amendment? We should have just “loved” our fellow countrymen into eventually ending slavery?

[@evanlee5330]

@@writermomo4 but abortion is wayy different from slavery. Slavery involves a different individual under the law and abortion involves your own body

[@writermomo4]

@@evanlee5330 Only when you completely ignore the fact that abortion destroys a distinct, living, whole human being. What about his or her body? The individual that abortion kills is not the “same body” as the mother.

[@evanlee5330]

@@writermomo4 Well for starters, i believe we need to have a definition of personhood to go on. A person is someone who is bounded by laws and has rights. I would find it ridiculous if a fetus has the equal personhood as a adult. Not to point out the contradictions if that were the case. We wouldnt call cancer cells a human being eventhough it is distinct,living and made up of human cells? so how do we actually define personhood?

[@jaimeliechty4526]

Wow! Lots of time, effort and skill went into producing this video. Thanks for the nod to those of us supporting women at local pregnancy centers. (We also offer services and assistance to men, babies and children.) Having been involved in the practical side of pro-life ministry for decades, I've encountered all sorts of people who identify as pro-life. We're quite diverse, and all in all, I'd say we're a deep-thinking bunch. Just because pro-lifers choose to vote for candidates from the party that doesn't celebrate abortion, doesn't mean we suffer from "blind allegiance" (13:40) to our chosen political party. The pro-choice side use to throw out the "safe, legal and rare" phrase when defending their position. Unfortunately, that message has evolved to describing abortion as essential and "life sustaining."(my governor's response to keeping abortion clinics open during the lock down in April). Another related issue that was not addressed in this video is tax-payer funding of abortion. The federal involvement in this greatly affects the states...so, even if Roe v. Wade is never struck down, chances are that a vote for a pro-life candidate will at least lessen the chances that tax dollars will be used for abortion.

[@cactusmomma]

It's always broken my heart when people say they're pro-life and are really more pro-birth. There's women out here living paycheck to paycheck that get stuck with pregnancies they didn't mean to have, but love all the same.. or are in a relationship where birth control isn't an accessible option.. and then they're either shamed when they have to go on WIC and SNAP, or the resources aren't enough. We need to offer up more support. Healthcare for everyone isn't a bad thing. I would love for people to be able to go to the doctor and not have to decide between their meds and dinner. I'd love to see women be able to get access to birth control to take care of their PCOS and Endometriosis. More than anything, I'd love for people to love one another and take care of each other as Christ commanded us to do, instead of judging and griping about who is doing what.

[@lisacox3750]

Exactly! I'm tired of fake pro-life people who are really pro-birth as well who shame the mothers after the baby is born.

[@BoyKagome]

I wonder why it is when someone says " I don't want innocent people to die." it's automatically called "pro-birth"... You think people don't cry for the dead whether they are in or out of the womb? Your mind went straight to Child Murder because your mind is telling you its wrong, so it automatically connected "no innocent people dying" with a circumstance where you kill innocent human life. Pro-Birth is the excuse you make because you know they care about these people more than yourself, that their love isn't conditional...and yours is.

[@timothygrathwol3308]

I love these videos, I've watched this one and the one on the switch of the political parties from conservative to liberal etc. I was raised Catholic and gave up on that a long time ago. I finally had to accept that I don't believe in the divinity of Jesus or that there are any supernatural reasons for how things are, or supernatural answers to any of the metaphysical questions, e.g., where did we come from. I identify as a very liberal democrat. Theses videos do a wonderful job of reviewing available information and presenting conclusions based on that in a way that is open to further study and challenge by anyone who wants to look. I've thought for a long time, that like prohibition proved that people won't give up alcohol, overturning Roe won't make people stop having sex and unwanted pregnancies. I'm very encouraged by the information that improving health services have reduced abortion more than laws trying to make it illegal. Thanks again.

[@ibablo]

Blown away!! Well articulated. Thank you👏