What About Jesus's "Brothers?" w/ William Albrecht & Fr. Christiaan Kappas

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

According to jewish tradition of that time when a married woman is widowed the sons care for her. We know Jesus had no biological siblings because when He hung on the cross He instructed Apostle John to take care of His mother and he did.

[@nickoldschoolrules52]

Very good point.

[@GardenMinistry.]

Excellent point! I always try to bring this up too!

[@robertoberuffi1394]

Who was John? In John 19:25, Jesus' mother is identified as having a sister. Is there a way of knowing who she is? Wouldn't John, have known this. After all, he was charged by Jesus to look after his own mother after he died and ascended to heaven. Surely, if he didn't know her already, he would have at least met her, because of the relationship Jesus would have had with her as his aunt. If we compare all of the crucifixion passages where the women who stood in front of the cross are discussed, we find the following: John Matthew Mark Mary, the mother of Jesus Mary, the wife of Mary the mother of James and Joseph Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses Clopas Mary Magdalene Mary Magdalene Mary Magdalene Mary's sister the mother of the sons of Zebedee Salome Only John mentions Mary, the mother of Jesus. All 3 gospels mention Mary Magdalene. Both Matthew and Mark mention that a certain James and Joseph had a mother who was called Mary. John doesn't say this, but he does mention a certain Mary who was married to a man named Clopas. Now if you look at the identity of these two named sons of the Mary, we discover that they are also named as being the sons of Alphaeus in Luke 20, Acts 1, and Mark 3. Now in John, it seems that the man in the above video attributed the identity of Mary, the wife of Clopas (James and Joseph (Joses) as being the sister of Mary, the mother of Jesus. However, I would argue that that is incorrect, but that they are actually two different women. I believe that you will see why below. You see, there is another woman who is also mentioned, and she is Salome, the mother of the sons of Zebedee. I would argue that she is the sister of Mary and Jesus' aunt, thereby making her sons, James and John, his cousins. If you're not convinced about the matter, there is more to say about the matter. In Acts 1:12-14, when the disciples returned to Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives to the upper room to wait for the promise of the Holy Spirit, the baptism of the Holy Spirit which they would have on Pentecost Sunday, Luke provides a list of who was present in that consecrated time of prayer. Present in that upper room were the 11 remaining apostles (Judas Iscariot had hung himself), who were all named, and among them were the 3 alleged "cousins" of Jesus: James the son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James, who is also known as Thaddaeus in the Matthew and Mark accounts of the choosing of the 12 apostles of Jesus. So if you add Joseph to the list, you have all four of Jesus' "cousins". Three of them were designated as apostles. Now, what is interesting to note is that in that list of people present in the upper room, Mary the mother of Jesus, and his "brothers" are also mentioned. The question that is automatically raised is who were these brothers (or cousins) of Jesus if the 3 named apostles are the aforementioned "cousins" of Jesus mentioned in Mark 6:3-4? The only conclusion that you can come to is that the 3 named apostles including Joseph, though they happen to have been given the same names, since they were all very common names at the time, are not the same people that are mentioned as being the brothers of Jesus in Mark 6:3-4 and also in Matthew 13:55-56. It stands to reason that they were not the same people because John, the apostle, in John 7:5 stated that his brothers at this moment in time didn't believe in Jesus. They didn't begin to believe in him until after the resurrection when he personally revealed himself to James, whom Paul describes as the Lord's brother in Galatians 1:19, and probably to the rest of them as well - see 1 Corinthians 15:6-7. Whereas the 3 men who had the same names, and who had become apostles of Jesus, obviously did believe in him when they started to follow him. Why did Jesus choose him to look after his own mother? Why didn’t he let things run their natural course, namely according to cultural expectations that the next oldest brother would be the one who would be responsible for looking after his own widowed mother once she was left on her own due to her oldest son’s death? It stands to reason that Jesus chose John, the disciple whom Jesus loved to look after his own mother other than the next unbelieving brother in line, James. John, who had reclined against Jesus' chest at the Last Supper, and who was his cousin was the one who had the closest relationship with Jesus of all of the apostles. So, is there any other reason other than the one I have just raised, as to why Jesus would make such a dismissive comment regarding his brothers in the following passage of Scripture, other than the most natural one, namely that they did not believe he was the Messiah, and consequentially they were not doing his Father’s will and follow him? Jesus, however, knew that he could really count on John to look after her because of his close relationship with him. While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. 47 [Someone said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak to You.”] 48 But [Jesus replied to the one who was telling Him and said, “Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?” 49 And extending His hand toward His disciples, He said, “Behold: My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother, and sister, and mother.” (Matthew 12:46-50)

[@pela907]

​@@robertoberuffi1394 well said. But they just choose to be blind...or rather "debate". The purpose of debate should be to find the truth, not just win.

[@nofearlanier]

Funny how the only record of this tradition is from the Roman Catholic Church. However, Jesus made clear who his "mothers and sisters and brothers" were.

[@MacBjorn]

Isn't it exhausting explaining to atheists and protestants the same questions over and over?

[@billyrigoyourbeardedrealto1471]

Well, you do have to do quite a bit of mental qymnastics to twist the scripture to fit that specific Dogma. I'm sure that would be exhausting.

[@nosuchthing8]

Especially if certain germane arguments are never answered

[@julieevanish3601]

May I ask any protestants in this post, which one or combination do you believe about The Blessed Mother? Ebionism: Joseph was the physical father of Christ. Jesus was just a holy man. Helvidianism: Mary was a virgin but after Christ her and Joseph had relations. Valentinianism: The Holy Spirit deposited Jesus body and soul into Mary's body without her contributing to Christ. Just a vessel, just a surrogate. Nestorianism: Jesus is two persons and Mary is only mother of the human Jesus.

[@vc508]

Yes but we must

[@jaredlowry3547]

@@julieevanish3601 That’s not what Valentinianism is. It’s a polytheistic gnostic heresy.

[@jeffscully50613]

The Greek word "adelphos" or "adelphoi" is the word used to describe the familial relationship between Abraham and Lot, but clearly we know that Abraham was Lot's uncle, not brother.

[@JJ-cw3nf]

And that’s not even the word Jesus uses in Mark 6:4 in response to the question in Mark 6:3 as said in this video. Syngeneusin

[@yiannis8826]

Syggeneis can be your parents, blood brothers and sisters etc

[@lunalikesrain]

But Genesis was written in Hebrew, and the New Testament was written in Koine Greek.

[@mvlandis6456]

Hi Matt, I love your show and watch often. I have learned so much from your content after returning to the Catholic Church in 2016. Thank you so much!

[@anycyclopedia]

In Sri Lanka, we call strangers Brother, Sister, Uncle & Aunt...

[@sugababedede]

Same thing here in Indonesia

[@alexbernard8907]

The Israelites did the same over 2000 years ago

[@neil2831]

Same thing in America.

[@wesleyreginald3878]

Then what you call your brother

[@anycyclopedia]

@@wesleyreginald3878 "Brother"

[@samvimes9510]

I'm sorry this is a bit off topic, but I _love_ that the phrase "brother from another mother" was an actual thing way back then. That's absolutely hilarious to me.

[@jeffscully50613]

Keep in mind this doesn't make any sense in a rhyming sort of way in ancient Greek, or Hebrew, or Aramaic.

[@EricAlHarb]

You obviously have never lived in a ME family. Families live in one home, not as nuclear families it is necessary to differentiate between brothers and cousins.

[@animalcart4128]

@@jeffscully50613 So because it doesn't rhyme it must therefore be false.

[@bernardauberson7218]

C’est à notre tour de rire de ton ignorance des langues ! En hébreu, il n’y a aucun mot qui corresponde à notre mot cousin ! C’est là que tous les protestants se font piéger ! Des ignorants, rien d’autre! Il y a 2000ans que dans les Eglises apostoliques , on sait que Jésus n’avait ni frère ni soeur ! Allez donc enquêter à Nazareth, les contemporains de Jésus le diront, c’est d’eux que nous tenons ce détail ! Vous tenez à votre vision pour nier la virginité de la Theotokos. Ce n’est pas très sérieux, ainsi vous tordez les Ecritures ! Encore moins glorieux !

[@bernardauberson7218]

⁠@@animalcart4128Oui, et bien plus ! Ça n’a aucune vérité ! A côté de la plaque, vous vous marchez sur les pieds !

[@kiryu-chan577]

Why would Jesus give his Mother to Saint John if there were all these supposed brothers and sisters. Makes no sense.

[@solidgold899]

Because he didn't give his mother to John.

[@marksolum1794]

The disciple who Jesus loved was James.

[@shmeebs387]

If Mary had other children then Jesus wouldn't have had to ask John to take care of her.

[@coolguy0421]

@@shmeebs387 but if he has plenty of ‘cousins’ who lived with him, why did he feel the need to ask John? Unless caring for her was more in a spiritual sense as brother’s in the faith.

[@originalchristianity9027]

The problem with your argument is that the same argument can be used to prove that the brothers and sisters of Jesus mentioned in the New Testament could not have been his cousins (or "close relations" as the CCC put it) either, because it would have been more natural for Jesus to entrust his mother to close relations than to an outsider if he didn't have blood siblings. According to the NT, the brothers (and sisters) of Jesus were closely associated with Mary, who habitually goes about in their company. They were evidently living under the same roof. The last clause of John 19:27 should be translated, "From that hour the disciple took/received her into his own (spiritual) possessions/family.” The Greek eis ta idia in vs. 27 can bear that sense. Jesus entrusted Mary to the disciple as his spiritual mother and vice versa.

[@coolguy0421]

@@originalchristianity9027 fair.

[@jaydenlai8867]

This is a great video! Love the marian apologetics!

[@ffemto4]

Glad someone finally spelled this out.

[@BR-to2nk]

I just discovered your channel. Thank you so much for this.

[@dennisdonnelly7794]

Hail Mary full of grace I love and adore you like my own mother who also has gone on to be with the lord

[@Alexander-fr1kk]

You should have Keith Nester on your show…

[@joshflinchbaugh5866]

Stuff like this made me buy a Greek New Testament. Not only do I love NT but I also like learning languages.

[@philipcable4649]

The Greek word used in Mark 6:4 is “sungeneusin/ συγγενεῦσιν” for anyone who wants to look it up.

[@scottscheper]

Defined: "properly, offspring, a relation; a relative, kinsman (of the same stock)." You've basically proven that they indeed were brothers and sisters. Case closed.

[@Lepanto-1571]

@@scottscheperBrother's and Sister's of another Mother is what that Greek word implies

[@markspears9271]

@@scottscheper In Mark 6:4, Jesus says that a prophet is respected everywhere except in his own hometown, among his relatives (συγγενεῦσιν), and within his household. The Greek word συγγενεῦσιν refers to extended family or kin, not specifically to “brothers.” If Jesus had meant “brothers,” the Greek word ἀδελφός (adelphos) would have been used instead. This distinction clarifies that Jesus is speaking about his broader family and community, not just his immediate siblings. Case closed.

[@scottscheper]

@ OK, so in Mark 6:3 when adelphos is used to list the roster of Jesus' four brothers, in that case it actually means brothers? Got it. So, Jesus had brothers. Even Jude is stated to be Jesus' brother by Eusebius.

[@Lepanto-1571]

@@scottscheper the accuser is using the word aldelphos to list the roster of "brothers" in Mark 6:3. Jesus himself rebukes him and uses the correct Greek work to describe them as relatives, just as Elizabeth does with John in relation to Jesus. Also, Eusebius calls James, Simon, etc as Brothers of the Lord, but also clarifies that they were indeed cousins in his Church Histories when listing them as the 1st and 2nd Bishops of Jerusalem. The same goes for Papias, Bishop of Hierapolis in circa 100AD

[@btopines9922]

I love Pints with Aquinas, but I've always been puzzled by the concept of Mary's perpetual virginity. I've also wondered whether Joseph celibate as well? If so, it suggests Mary and Joseph didn't have a normal marriage. What possible reason would Mary and Joseph have from conjugal relations within the marriage relationship? I guess the principle of 1 Corinthians 7:5 wouldn't have applied to them? Doesn't Jesus differentiate between his biological brothers and spiritual brothers in Matthew 12? Why didn't the gospel accounts use the Greek word anepsios for "cousins" to describe James and Jesus' other brothers in Matthew 13? Is there a chance the perpetual virginity association with Mary is rooted in gnostic influence?

[@nofearlanier]

You nailed it right there. Gnostic writings with actual Roman paganism seeping in after Constantine. The Romish Mary is the new Isis.

[@herbpalindrome]

It also strikes me that just that line indicates at least 5 “brothers and sisters”. Minimum 6 children from Mary seems like it would listed somewhere else.

[@michaelverbakel7632]

I know it may be very rude to say about this. The New Testament says Jesus had about five or six siblings. If so were they actual siblings of Jesus Christ or were they followers. Is Mary the actual real mother of these siblings of Christ. Plus is Joseph, Mary's husband the real father. Joseph is almost never mentioned in the gospels after the birth of Christ and the family's eventual return to Nazareth

[@ronaldeglewski3073]

@@michaelverbakel7632 .they say Joseph was much older the Mary ,she around 14 years old , Joseph in his early 30's ,allot of children , I guest when Jesus was in the Temple Joseph and Mary had to cart 6to 8 kids with them , also their were 4 to six Mary's in the bible Mark 15:40at the cross were Mary Magdalene Mary of the younger James and of Jose and Salome (Simon) ,also would God allowed the Divine Jesus DNA and blood be contaminated in other children and be buried in the ground , did not Mary rise body into heaven .

[@eugene3484]

@@ronaldeglewski3073where are you getting your info from that Mary was 14 and Jospeh was 30?

[@nofearlanier]

@@eugene3484 Originally Gnostic apocryphal writings. That's where they got this nonsense. Now, they just pull it out of thin air, also known as the magisterium.

[@eugene3484]

@@nofearlanier crazy

[@CPATuttle]

Excellent

[@counterjihadunitghostcat9357]

Like William saying Hello Brother and Matt replied Hi Brother William

[@sandstorm7768]

Incredible. Thank you! So brother not only can be used in a spiritual sense, but the Greek word used literally means cousin. And this was said straight from Jesus Himself. Woohoo! Also, can't believe you didn't mention the most important part of John's account of the Crucifixtion! John 19:27! "Behold your mother." John took Mary into his home after Jesus died. Why would Mary need someone to take her in if she had other children to look after her? *Because she had no other children besides Jesus.* Jewish tradition backs this up; you were seen as a very bad child if you did not take your own mother in like this. This is why Jesus commissioned John to "adopt" Mary, to care for his mother in His stead when He could no longer. Beautiful is it not?

[@sshamon72]

Exactly what I was going to comment, but you beat me to it. Bravo and Amen

[@jeffscully50613]

It wasn't just a Jewish tradition, it was the law. If there had been any other brothers, Jesus wouldn't have even mentioned it to John and Mary. There would have been no need.

[@scottscheper]

In the words of Rage Against The Machine, You're buying the lies that they're selling you.

[@tarascoterry]

They didn’t say the Greek word was “cousin”. That’s NOT true. They said that it COULD be used to refer to cousins. It says “brothers” because that is the common meaning and the most straightforward reading of the text.

[@gwin8463]

But if we go by the same logic of him saying relatives in his household to mean far relatives, wouldn't that apply to Mary and Joseph also? Or would you be saying he's only addressing the part that talks about siblings and leaves out the parents? John the Baptist was popular and was also his cousin, why didn't he make the list? Or wasn't because he wasn't staying with them?

[@tarascoterry]

That’s the problem, right? If Jesus had “real” brothers, in what way could it be expressed that we would know that he has “real” brothers if that text doesn’t do that? Or the many references to James brother of Jesus.

[@R.C.425]

Awesome

[@Calebmlinden]

Around 4:09 I don’t understand why we pick apart “relatives” and ignore the word “household” in verse 4?

[@BeTheIron]

The treatment of Mark 6:4-6 is very poor. They totally ignore the context of the verses which follow right after, when Jesus says "among his relatives and IN HIS OWN HOME." So even if "relatives" means "other relatives that weren't siblings," that doesn't change the fact that the text clearly distinguishes between "relatives" and "those in his own home." "Those in His own home" is clearly a description of those who are most closely related to Him, even living in His own home as DISTINCT FROM "relatives."

[@ultimouomo11]

They actually cover that in the longer video. That expression is taken from the Book of Numbers, and does not mean uterine brothers or sisters. You’ll have to watch the longer video for the explanation.

[@garybrown2039]

They covered it in the full video and they just say that Christ and his family were fulfilling the laws of Moses and taking in their relatives and helping them out.

[@JayRedding12_12]

I'm glad they brought up the genealogy done in the second century.

[@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370]

Three questions were posed but it seems you only answered the first one - the "brothers" of Jesus. What about Mary "not knowing Joseph until she gave birth to Jesus", implying she "knew" him afterward; and "you Catholics were supposed to say that sex was holy and good and so if you're so hung up on her being a virgin then it seems like you're implying that there's something wrong with sex"?

[@ultimouomo11]

The longer video discusses all the points and objections in detail, including your remarks.

[@jeffscully50613]

My Aunt Rose didn't have any children until the day she died. Does that mean she had children after she died? Jesus told us that He will be with us until the end of the Age. Does that mean He'll leave us after the end of the Age?

[@tarascoterry]

@@jeffscully50613the answer to your questions are “Yes”. If your aunt didn’t have any children then you don’t say “until”. I’d assume she died in child-brith. If I say I’m busy until noon then the implication is I’m not busy at noon.

[@counterjihadunitghostcat9357]

Sense / logic are seldom Truth

[@RodiMaregn-g3e]

I was reading the bible, particularly the book of Genesis. It was talkin about how Abraham left with hi cousin Lot to a new land. Later in the passages Lot is referred as his Brother. I believe it was the culture and customs of that time to refer your cousin as Brother. So Jesus brothers could be his cousins trough joseph or Mary.

[@lanmansvideos]

I need some follow up on the connection of "sisters' and the book of Numbers and how they were instructed to take the census. I went back and skimmed over the first six chapters of numbers and the census was only taken of males. "who registered themselves by clans, by fathers' houses, according to the number of names from twenty years old and upward, head by head," Numbers 1:18 The census report for every tribe ended like this "every male from twenty years old and upward, all who were able to go to war:' It seems the two men in the video are trying to imply that being in the same "household" doesn't mean that they live in then same actual house but are just part of the same tribal group?? The problem with this is the Greek word for "house" oikia doesn't have any relation to "Tribe". Here is the definition according to Strong's Greek Lexicon: 1. a house 2. an inhabited edifice, a dwelling 3. the inmates of a house, the family 4. property, wealth, goods Jesus was literally saying saying that He has been rejected by His hometown, His Relatives (including cousins, uncles and such) and people in His own household (immediate family). We see this played out in John 7:5 " For not even his brothers believed in him.".

[@ronaldeglewski3073]

remember every thing was not written in the bible , Jerome wrote what he found, allot of books were destroyed by the Romans , but the early fathers knew that Mary had no other children , St. Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp were taught by John the Apostle and took care of Jesus's mother .

[@mvlandis6456]

Are you familiar with Keith Nester who has a channel called the Rosary Crew? He would be an interesting guest to come on your show.

[@MrWeebable]

The other side of this question is 'what reason do we have to believe Mary WAS perpetually a virgin? I get that the Bible can be ambiguous in its terms, but then how did the RCC come to her conclusion?

[@Prime6165]

I never understood what's the big deal about Mary's virginity. If she had kids so what? It doesn't diminish her contributions in Christian communities and becoming mother of Jesus.

[@robertoberuffi1394]

What was discussed in the above video is disingenuous and misleading. Yes, the word adelphos was often used to describe relative, but there was a word that specifically meant cousin in Greek, and Paul used it in Colossians 4:10 when he referred to "Barnabas' cousin, Mark," and the word that Paul used there is anepsios. Why didn't Mark use anepsioi if he really meant to say that they were cousins? Secondly, in Mark 6:4 Jesus cited a proverb about a prophet being rejected by his own people, which you can understandably see happening, for you are too familiar to everyone who has known you and seen you grow up since you were a baby. They pigeonholed Jesus. We know who he is and we know who everyone in his own family is as well. How could he possibly behave and speak in the way he has done. "Isn't he the carpenter?" So Jesus responded by using 3 different relational identifications: patridi = hometown, then the one that was discussed in the above video: syngeneusin = relatives, and and the third " and in the oikia = "in the household of him" - i.e the literal translation of the Greek: kai en tē oikia autou. The three relationships appear to be narrowing in intimacy, from the more general to the closest - i.e. from the community to the extended family, and lastly to the immediate family. Like I said, everyone knew him in Nazareth. It was a small community. The wider community took offense at him, and so did his relatives, and his own "household" or family. Now as far as Jesus' relatives are concerned, in John 19:25 we read the following: "Now beside the cross of Jesus stood His mother, His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene." From this verse, we clearly see that Mary had a sister. Moreover, Joseph came from the same community. We know nothing about his family. He died but did he have any brothers and sisters, who were still alive? Did they have children of their own? In all likelihood, he did and there were. All of these would have been considered as extended "family" members, distinct from the following relationships. First of all, "household" cannot possibly mean "census of the people of Israel". Jesus was talking about Nazareth and not Israel. He was talking about his own oikia - household - i.e. immediate family. This is pure and utter isegesis - reading into the text one's own ideas because they are contextually not found in the passage. Now concerning "household", Joseph had died, so Jesus took over and became the carpenter. If he were the only son, then it would be that his own mother, as his "household" "didn't give him honour". This seems highly unlikely. However, in John 7:5, we read the following: "For not even His brothers believed in Him." The text says adelphoi, which normally means brothers. If John did mean to say: brothers, then you can clearly see why Jesus' own household or family would have not given him honour, for at this stage they did not believe in him. Therefore, I would argue that when Jesus used the proverb to discuss what had been going on in his hometown, when he mentioned that his own household didn't give him honour, he did not mean his own mother but his own adelphoi - brothers (and sisters). Moreover, in Matthew 1:25: the following words are mentioned: "but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son;" - ἕως οὗ (heōs hou) = until, till (the time when)... which clearly denotes the meaning that after she had given birth to Jesus, Joseph consummated his marriage and had 4 sons and some daughters. Also, Luke 2:7 confirms this meaning. The following words were mentioned by Luke about the birth of Jesus: "And she gave birth to her firstborn son;..." Jesus is described as being Mary's prototokon = firstborn or eldest son - first in time son and not first/preeminent, which is used to mean that in Colossians 1:15, where Jesus is clearly not the first son, created by the Father, as the Jehova's witnesses say he is, but the preeminent one - i.e. the firstborn (preeminent) among many adelphoi brothers (Romans 8:29). I mean, in which way would Jesus be Mary's preeminent son? Are all believers of Jesus, who are children of God, her children too? This is preposterous and blasphemy. This, therefore, can only mean that she had other sons who were born after him - 4 of them to be precise.

[@sama8145]

@@robertoberuffi1394 excellent reply, well stated. Part of me wanted to say something similar to this but you replied to every point well. Sadden to say though that this teaching of Mary being a perpetual virgin requires mental gymnastics and disregards a clear reading of the text and glances over the use of brother, cousins in the same new testament and sometimes also book. People, the clear reading of the bible is that Mary had children after Jesus the normal way with Joseph, the names of them are listed. Cut and dry.

[@Puntycocoa]

It’s so hard to be a catholic having to defend these topics!

[@ogbetaemmanuel9194]

Do Virgin Mary Had Any Other Children? PEOPLE DO THINK THAT BECAUSE THE PASSAGE BELOW QUESTIONED CHRIST RELATIVES, THEREFORE HE HAD BLOOD BRETHREN, NO!: Matt 13:55 ...*..Is His mother not Mary?, And are not his brethren JAMES AND JOSEPH and Simon Judas* the word brethren includes kinsmen, relatives,ETC. You WILL see James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude, were Jesus' cousin, brethren/Relatives The Bible uses the phrase ---'A SON'-- or --'CHILD'--and not children or sons confirm this Neither will the Bible or prophesies be lie, thus: Matt. 1:22 This all happened so that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet would be fulfilled: Matt. 1:23 .*.Look! The virgin will conceive and bear A SON, and they will call him Emmanuel Matt. 1:21 She will give birth to A SON and you will name him JESUS, because HE will save his people from their sins. SO James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. Are they really Jesus BLOOD BROTHER? no! in Hebrew were the English version of the bible was translated from, there is no such word as * my blood brethren*, rather as the Igbo Language has no such, rather they call same blood, relative, even their tribal ones *My Brother* (Nwa Nne m meaning *my mother's Child/brother*) even when they had only Tribal relationship only, Christian also call their fellow Christians Sister or Brother(in the Lord=specified) because the share the same faith. else one may think they are of same blood! The Bible Proves it otherwise .*. Prophecy of scripture is not a matter of one's personal interpretation 2 Pt. 1:20, Note THE BIBLE WARNS: Scripture can be difficult to understand and can be distorted to one's destruction ... .*. 2 Pt. 3:15-18. Let analyze the passages misunderstood by many, (that Virgin Mary was Virgin up to the birth of Christ, that after then she lost her Virginity and gave birth to other sons or if she remained EVER VIRGIN in Matt. 28:1 ..*Mary Mag'dalene and other Mary went to see the tomb* before this Jesus had died and His mother is already with Disciples, Matt. 28:7 ..*..then go and tell His Disciple that He has risen from the dead * he said this because the Disciple and Mary where at home, that's why the bible use the word *the OTHER MARY* this includes: *(Cloepas' wife). and Mother Of The Sons Of Zebedee, Mary The Mother Of James And Joseph When the Bible wants to mention Virgin Mary, it specifies Her as in Luke 2:48...*and His mother said to him, son, why have you treated us so? your Father And I* you see that they had no other child yet even at 12 years, SEE HOW the BIBLE DISTINGUISHES 3 OTHER MARY FROM VIRGIN MARY Mark 15:40; Matthew 27:56, : ...*Among them at the cross were MARY Magdalene and MARY the MOTHER of JAMES and JOSEPH(Joses), and Salo'me ; and THE MOTHER OF THE SONS OF ZEBEDEE.* Matt. 27:61..Mary Mag'dalene and the OTHER MARY WERE THERE. SITTING OPPOSITE THE TOMB Summing the passages, This shows that there may be at least 2 Mary(s) who are Jesus relatives and had sons: Cross reference this with the passage below SEE HOW THE BIBLE DO MENTION JESUS' MOTHER John 19:25..*..But standing the cross of Jesus were: His MOTHER, and MARY THE WIFE OF CLEOPAS (VIRGIN MARY'S sister,), and MARY MAG'DALENE We see that at least three of the brethren mentioned in Matthew 13, OR MARK 6:3 were definitely not siblings of Jesus (although they're called Siblings) but they were Jesus' cousins--sons of their mother's sister. because them Virgin Mary is already with the Disciples ahome. The Bible is simply silent on the exact relationship between Jesus and the other two men, Simon and Jude, mentioned in Matthew 13. This proves two important things. First, it proves that the Greek word for brethren is sometimes used to mean something other than sibling, and it proves that Matthew 13:55-56 in no way demonstrates that Mary had other children. Matt 13:55...*..Is His mother not Mary?, And are not his brethren JAMES AND JOSEPH and Simon Judas* the word brethren includes kinsmen, relatives, Extended family, society, people with same faith etc that's why in court, or bank they will ask you to specify the exact relationship of your chosen next of Kin. The Bible only teaches us that Joseph kept her a virgin until after the birth of Jesus (see Matt. 1:18-25 below). Matt. 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ happened this way. While his mother Mary was engaged to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. Matt. 1:19 Because Joseph, her husband to be, was a righteous man, and because he did not want to disgrace her, he intended to divorce her privately.

[@rogerhuner6566]

Even Muslim’s acknowledge the virginity of Mary, and that she remained a virgin when she conceived Jesus. They just do not accept the divinity of Jesus.

[@athembelemabiza3377]

You using a false religion has back up...

[@stunner9005]

Muslims also say she’s the “Holy Spirit”.

[@bradleesargent]

She is the only woman ever mentioned in the Quran. And she has a tire chapter or Surah named after her.

[@bradleesargent]

Muhammed was influenced by the Nestirians who had issues with the divinity of Jesus

[@HiarmonKhongmawloh-x8e]

Be patient with my 3rd language English ..God is a living God once he promised he accomplish it .He said to Joseph who tried to abandon her silently but God asked Joseph not to abandon her for the baby she 12:28 12:28 is concieves is not anybody but from the spirit of God i.e for sometimes but after she gave birth to Jesus what wrong for them tobe husband and wife they loved each other they lived together Do you think it is a sin to get married? Poor business church they lied every thing .If you hates me what should l can do But one day let's the Almighty God who knows everythings help your r conscience to make it brave to speak the truth

[@petemaguire8677]

I'm happy to believe that Mary was a perpetual virgin. But why would it matter either way? What would it change if it turned out Jesus had siblings?

[@chuckHart70]

Why does it matter to protestants that she wasnt a perpetual virgin? Why do they say she was just like another woman when scripture clearly says the opposite?

[@petemaguire8677]

@@chuckHart70 why does it matter at all? What does it mean? What would it mean if she was found to have other children? I'm not hostile to it, just curious

[@TheKaiwind]

@@petemaguire8677 Because it devalues The Blessed Virgin, there are various reasons why but one that comes to mind right now is much like how celibacy is superior, so too is the Birth of The Son of God.

[@petemaguire8677]

@@TheKaiwind thanks for that, yes that makes sense. I guess the rub for me is that Joseph took her as his wife which would make it a celibate marriage? Is that right?

[@jzak5723]

@@TheKaiwind Where does it say that celibacy is superior?

[@georgeluke6382]

There's a great BIblical Hermeneutics stack exchange "Can αδελφοί refer to cousins?". Can't post here, but worth looking at

[@JohnHenry-x9z]

Thank you. Please quote where Jeromy makes such reference to Num 1,2. In "against Helvidius" I cannot find it.

[@scottrobinson16]

Three questions - 1. Could the reason for the confusion around the term brothers and sisters and whether it refers to other relatives be related to the fact that Jesus had a separate father than his siblings? So they were in a sense his half siblings? 2. Even if Mary bore no other children, there is no way to prove that she maintained her virginity. Could it have been that either she or Joseph were infertile yet still "knew" each other? 3. Why is it so important that Mary remained a virgin in order to be "holy"? Where is the disqualifying factor in her having pure God-created sexual relations within her marriage to Joseph? Seems that there is a lot of grey area and that the traditional church beliefs may be holding to a certain viewpoint that requires Mary to be a virgin because of possible tainted views of God-given sexuality.

[@jeffreywolfe1122]

Didn’t Jesus command James look after Mary after he was gone? Now, why would he be commanding James to look out for his own mother? No she was commanding James to look out for Jesus’s mother Mary.

[@water7954]

"Go and multiple" I think that was God commanding us to do no? Isn't this command also applied for both of them. Your thought?

[@fredymontoya1454]

Glad to see them drink Modelos 🍻 lol

[@housecry]

In my Orthodox Study Bible the commentary states: Matthew 27:56 Mary the mother of James and Joses: Most Fathers teach this was the Virgin Mary, being in fact the stepmother of James and Joses (see 13:55; compare Mk 15:40, 47). Theophylact summarizes the teaching of the Fathers in this way: "James and Joses were sons of Joseph by his first wife. And since the Theotokos was called the 'wife' of Joseph, she is rightly called the 'mother' of his children, meaning 'stepmother'. " Matthew 12:46-50 Christ's relatives have not yet understood His identity and mission. He points to a spiritual family based on obedience to the will of My Father (v. 50). In Jewish usage, brother can indicate any number of relations. Abram called his nephew Lot "brother" (Gn 14:14); Boaz spoke of his cousin Elimelech as his "brother" (Ru 4:3); and Joab called his cousin Amasa "brother" (2Kg 20:9). Christ Himself had no blood brothers, for Mary had but one Son: Jesus. The brothers mentioned here were either stepbrothers, sons of Joseph by a previous marriage, or cousins. Indeed, Jesus commits His mother to the care of John at the Cross (Jn 19:25-27), which would have been unthinkable if Mary had had other children to care for her. Luke 24:10 Certain Fathers teach that Mary the mother of James was the wife of Alphaeus, and this James was one of the Twelve (6:15). Most, however, hold that this is the Virgin Mary, being in fact the stepmother of a different James, "the Lord's brother" (see Mt 13:55; compare Mk 15:40, 47). The Virgin Mary appears in certain icons of Myrrhbearing Women, and in a hymn by St. John of Damascus, we sing, "The angel cried to the lady full of grace, 'Rejoice, O pure Virgin: your Son is risen for from His three days in the tomb.' " John 19:25-27 We see here several important truths concerning Christ's mother: (1) In calling Mary "Woman" (v. 26), Jesus is using a term of dignity and affection. Contrary to certain modern usages, this is a sacred title in Scripture, an address conveying deep respect and distinction (2:4; 4:21; 8:10; 20:13; compare to Gn 2:23). (2) In saying to John, "Behold your mother!" (v. 27), our Lord symbolically establishes Mary's role as mother of all faithful disciples in every generation. (3) If Mary had other children, Jesus would not have placed her in the care of John, for her own children would have cared for her. Thus the apostolic teaching that Mary remained ever-virgin is confirmed by His action. (4) Christ also demonstrates we must "even to our last breath show every care for our parents" (JohnChr). That was a lot to type. I'm curious, does anyone know which Fathers they're referencing in regards to the belief that the Virgin Mary was stepmother to Joseph's children? Also, if they are stepbrothers of the Lord why would they not be expected to care for the Virgin Mary as their mother by marriage?

[@EricAlHarb]

I wouldn't go with them being the mother of Josephs children, bear in mind I am Orthodox. Because it would be impossible for Jesus to give His mother into Johns care at the cross if she had children who were obligated under jewish law to care for her, even if they rejected Jesus as a teacher. Jesus is still fully man and fully God, and cares for His mother according to the law because being man He eternally keeps the law.

[@Tstep45_qr]

Wasn't James and Simeon the sons of Mary, wife of Clopas mentioned in the book of John?

[@r.c4914]

Ask🔎 Padre Luis toro whos jesus brothers he debated 2 hrs with 2 protestants pastors and continue 4 hrs at night with the whole protestants congregation to explain this . 😅 The third pastor who came late converted the other 2 left quietly .

[@eugene3484]

Is that debate in English?

[@bryandonovan6779]

This is a topic that I find very annoying. There are Catholics that think and talk about Jesus having brothers which is ridiculous. I do have a question about the specific Greek work for relatives in Mark 6:4. "syngeneusin" what references can you site that talk about the exclusion of blood relatives for this particular word? In my brief search of the web for "syngeneusin" I am not finding any. Thank you

[@AnHebrewChild]

I've never understood the fixation on whether this first century Jewish woman ever had sex or not. It's like theological fetish. Not trying to be disrespectful to people that subscribe to this religion but I just don't get it... it seems odd. What am I missing ?

[@thepalegalilean]

The reason that Mary's virginity is of importance, Is because her virginity is what is the foundation for different doctrines the Church espouses. Also, there are prots so obsessed with sex that they can't conceive of a human relationship that transcends carnal desire.

[@CPATuttle]

It’s responding to Protestants

[@AnHebrewChild]

@@CPATuttle the way I understand it... protestants believe in the virgin birth (they say Jesus is the Son of God via the holy spirit) but protestants don't believe Mary stayed a virgin throughout the remainder of her life. My question is: why does that matter whether she did or didn't ? Does that make sense? Honest question. I'm just trying to understand. Thanks

[@CPATuttle]

@@AnHebrewChild Because Protestants are protesting the Catholic Church over this issue and others. Trying to take people out of the Catholic Church and into theirs. So therefore Catholics have to defend this doctrine. Additionally the original importance of Mary as a pledged perpetual virgin is important to support the virgin birth of Jesus. Obviously if someone has many kids with her husband. Why would anyone think one of them happened without sex but through God as the father

[@AnHebrewChild]

@@CPATuttle thank you for your explanation.

[@firedogwhiskeyreview9632]

"ἀδελφὸς" this is the greek word used for brother that is in my Greek version. When I google it it reads as a sibling from one or more of the same parent. What was the specific version of their Greek text?

[@erravi]

Ancient greek is different than modern greek

[@bradleesargent]

Brithers and sisters share the same mother AND father, but that isn't possible because there was only one virgin birth.

[@aliteraryfrenzy]

Hmm... very compelling...

[@tarascoterry]

Is it? If I say I went to my mom’s house and played video games with my brother James and my sisters would you think I was an only child?

[@Hypexotic]

The answer is simple and straight forward. Jesus is the son of God. The only brothers he had were those called to his sacrifice. Paul the Apostle for instance had a Christian conversion. He became a son of God therefor a brother if you want to put it that way. We are all sinless when called to complete conversion. I'm under the impression that death impresses our God. We become saints at that instant if we fufill our past grievances. Simply because it's sad to die and God knows this quite extensively. Mary, hm, I really do believe she was a mortal woman if you want to put it that way. Even scripture says he refuted his 'mother and brothers'. I think the truest doctrine would be to negate the idea that Mary had something to do with salvation. It's more humble to say she needed God's saving grace. Which is certain. Mary was not born a saint. King David for instance killed his best friend for Bathsheba. Our greatest bet is that God is the only "person" worthy enough to be our savior.

[@jeffreywolfe1122]

Well, I’m just Lutheran heathen . That’s first commandment you should have no other gods but me.. You Jesus tell us how to pray with the Lord’s Prayer. I don’t remember him, slipping in pray for my virgin mother. Seems the usual for the that said no one comes to the Lord, but through me as long as you go through my mother.

[@HauxYZ250]

Can someone point me to information about syngeneusin? I’m having trouble finding anything that points to the use as only meaning cousins of a different mother.

[@JuanGonzalez-kb3gm]

Brother brethren Greek adelphos Brothers plural adelphoi Cousin anepsios While true in the Bible they could of used cousin anepsios, that would only apply if all were cousins to Jesus, on the other hand adelphoi, adelphos could of been used to include brother, friend, cousin, co workers much like we use it today at church too. Sorry buddy I forgot where I took my notes from. Another great argument, ask them to show you from scripture where it says Mary had other children, just one verse that she was pregnant. Zero nada Matthew 2:11-19 when they run to Egypt nothing, when they return from Egypt to Israel nothing, When Jesus gets lost in the temple you see the holy family at age 12 and you still don’t read about any brothers. Best of luck God bless

[@tarascoterry]

@@JuanGonzalez-kb3gm Would it matter if other brothers were mentioned? We already have a verse that mentions 4 brothers and you’re saying that they’re either cousins or bros. James is referenced as the Lords brother many times later. So you’re saying that it’s not mentioning Jesus brothers enough while saying every time that it is mentioned doesn’t actually mean brother. If Jesus had actual brothers what could it have said in the text that would imply he had real brothers instead of cousins?

[@JuanGonzalez-kb3gm]

@@tarascoterry what I am saying is you can mention 100 brothers. And they could say they were one by one Jesus brothers. Nothing wrong we will admit he had brothers, where does it say that Mary had children. While John Calvin didn’t agree with Mary being ever Virgin- his conclusion was not enough supporting scripture to say Mary had other children. You are clearly reading into the scripture. ( that is if you think she had other children)

[@tarascoterry]

@@JuanGonzalez-kb3gm I think that would work in the sense that the “James the brother of Jesus” makes sense. The cousin thing feels forced. Your idea has the negative that it seems to require a backstory (Jacob was previously married with 4 male children and multiple daughters) that is not given and is being made up just for this purpose. I would think that the “null hypothesis” (ie the default) would be that they are sons of Mary because that’s what we would expect in that culture. But yeah, wayyyy better than this cousin thing. The term “reading into scripture” feels too negative for thinking that a 1st century Jewish woman would have a bunch of children. So if the only thing we know from the scriptures is that Jesus has 4 brothers and other sisters, but we don’t have any indication that Joseph was previously married what would be the “default” expectation? It’s interesting that the “smart” Catholics interviewed here went with the cousin thing which felt tortured. I’m too dumb on this topic to know why, but I’d worry that they have good reason to favor the cousin thing over your idea. Thanks for your clarification!

[@JuanGonzalez-kb3gm]

@@tarascoterry thank you, We all try to learn - The first person to argue Mary being ever virgin was Helvidius in the 4th century. He was part of early heresy called Arianism= Jesus was created. Since very early we have the typology of Mary being the new Eve Jesus new Adam. Was the new type is always better. She is also looked as the new Arc of the covenant / no one can touch. People would consecrate themselves Numbers 30 10 “If a woman living with her husband makes a vow or obligates herself by a pledge under oath 11 and her husband hears about it but says nothing to her and does not forbid her, then all her vows or the pledges by which she obligated herself will stand. 12 But if her husband nullifies them when he hears about them, then none of the vows or pledges that came from her lips will stand. Her husband has nullified them, and the Lord will release her. 13 Her husband may confirm or nullify any vow she makes or any sworn pledge to deny herself.[b] 14 But if her husband says nothing to her about it from day to day, then he confirms all her vows or the pledges binding on her. He confirms them by saying nothing to her when he hears about them. 15 If, however, he nullifies them some time after he hears about them, then he must bear the consequences of her wrongdoing.” Non biblical ref: THE PROTO- EVANGELIUM OF JAMES ( not part of Bible )/ but gives us some insight to what people were writing and tinking. It tells us Mary was consecrated to the temple And behold, an angel of the Lord stood by [St. Anne], saying, ‘Anne! Anne! The Lord has heard your prayer, and you shall conceive and shall bring forth, and your seed shall be spoken of in all the world.’ And Anne said, ‘As the Lord my God lives, if I beget either male or female, I will bring it as a gift to the Lord my God, and it shall minister to him in the holy things all the days of its life.’ . . . And [from the time she was three] Mary was in the temple of the Lord as if she were a dove that dwelt there” (Protoevangelium of James 4, 7 [A.D. 120]). “And when she was twelve years old there was held a council of priests, saying, ‘Behold, Mary has reached the age of twelve years in the temple of the Lord. What then shall we do with her, lest perchance she defile the sanctuary of the Lord?’ And they said to the high priest, ‘You stand by the altar of the Lord; go in and pray concerning her, and whatever the Lord shall manifest to you, that also will we do.’ . . . [A]nd he prayed concerning her, and behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him saying, ‘Zechariah! Zechariah! Go out and assemble the widowers of the people and let them bring each his rod, and to whomsoever the Lord shall show a sign, his wife shall she be. . . . And Joseph [was chosen]. . . . And the priest said to Joseph, ‘You have been chosen by lot to take into your keeping the Virgin of the Lord.’ But Joseph refused, saying, ‘I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl’” (ibid., 8-9). “And Annas the scribe came to him [Joseph] . . . and saw that Mary was with child. And he ran away to the priest and said to him, ‘Joseph, whom you did vouch for, has committed a grievous crime.’ And the priest said, ‘How so?’ And he said, ‘He has defiled the virgin whom he received out of the temple of the Lord and has married her by stealth’” (ibid., 15). “And the priest said, ‘Mary, why have you done this? And why have you brought your soul low and forgotten the Lord your God?’ . . . And she wept bitterly saying, ‘As the Lord my God lives, I am pure before him, and know not man’” (ibid.). HIPPOLYTUS OF ROME “But the pious confession of the believer is that . . . the Creator of all things incorporated with Himself a rational soul and a sensible body from the all-holy Mary, ever-virgin, by an undefiled conception, without conversion, and was made man in nature, but separate from wickedness. . . ” (Against Beron and Helix: Fragment VIII [A.D. 210 Thank you again- keep on researching even shows like this- they usually give good references- challenge and look it up. Our goal in life is to go with Jesus- the beautiful thing is our goal and the road to get there is Jesus: Let us pray we stay on the road. God bless

[@kynesilagan2676]

Your article is great btw. Oh thank you. Have you read it? Reverse passive agrressive Matt

[@counterjihadunitghostcat9357]

The LORD Our God Is Not an author of confusion

[@mathewostekleyes8041]

> And yet some very depraved men take from this the basis of their view that there were many brothers of our Lord as a point of tradition. **If there had been sons of Mary who were not rather produced from a previous marriage of Joseph’s, Mary never would have been transferred to the apostle John as his mother at the time of the Passion, nor would the Lord have said to them both, “Woman, behold your son,” and to John, “Behold your mother,”unless perhaps he was leaving his disciple’s filial love in order to comfort her who was left behind**. ***St Hilary of Poitiers, Commentary on Matthew, Chapter 1.4***

[@InfinitelyManic]

Why are we going to the Greek when we have the Clementine Vulgate & the Douay-Rheims?

[@jcbquark8037]

His brothers are referred to as his home. Ur reading into this

[@TheRogueScribe]

In the KJV, the word used is "brethren" - as in a group of men/women belonging to the same group. Other passages that address the "group" of Jesus' followers also use "brethren". Again, no confusion. To contrast, if you look at Cain and Abel's passages, "brothers" is used in the correct context. Because Cain and Abel were actual siblings. I think that's an easy way, if not the easiest, to stop this nonsense that Mary had more children.

[@jeffreyhicks6585]

My position is that these are Jesus's older brothers not younger brothers so they are step brothers fathered by Joseph from a previous marriage older because these brothers dominated him as his Mother did not him them

[@vman9347]

Did St Joseph have siblings? If so if they had children wouldn’t they be Jesus cousins?

[@agesflow6815]

What does God need with a starship?... Or a virgin, for that matter?

[@johnjamesthomson1]

Why do you think that Jesus was applying the term syngeneusin (relatives) to James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? It's a logical leap. Following that logic you would have to include Mary among them. He could have been talking about other people not mentioned.

[@bradleesargent]

The Mary mentioned in the verse maybe the mother of Clophas

[@LubaLuba1]

At 3:00 he names his siblings and even goes further by stating in his house means home and home means family.

[@KillerofGods]

House also refers to ones family. "House" stark, if you want a GoT example. Idr actual historical houses off the top of my head.

[@AWSKAR]

Why would a translator who understands Greek and English settle with a seemingly bad translation?

[@jvlp2046]

The Greek word ADELFOI/ADELPHOI means brotherly love or ADELFAI/ADELPHAI means sisterly love... yes, indeed, the Greek word used does not necessarily mean BIOLOGICAL Brothers or Sisters (Blood-Related)... Why did the writer choose this Greek Word? I firmly believe that the Gospel writers knew that Christ Jesus was not the Biological Son of Blessed Mary and St. Joseph... HOW?... even St. Paul knew and revealed to the Hebrews (Hebrews 10:5) that the "PREPARED BODY" (Human Body/flesh) of Christ Jesus was Solely created/made by His Father God, which makes Blessed Mary, a modern-day terminology called "SURROGATE MOTHERHOOD."... "Bressed is the WOMB that bore the Son of God... (ref. Luke 11:27). Take note: The Scripture did not say Blessed is the PERSON who bore the Son of God... which means, that even if Blessed Mary turned down the TASK offered to her, God could still make another "HA ALMAH" and continue God's plan for nothing is impossible with God... Prophet John the Baptist claimed that God could make DESCENDANTS of Abraham out of the STONE/ROCK. Christ Jesus has the sole IMAGE and LIKENESS of God... complete 46 Chromosomes (complete DNA) that come solely from God, just like when God created ADAM (1st Man) from the dust... Blessed Mary and St. Joseph had their own biological children who were logically not "BLOOD-RELATED" to Christ Jesus... that was why the Greek word ADELFOI (brotherly love) was used... In conclusion, therefore, in reality, Christ Jesus does not have TRUE Biological (Blood-Related) Brothers or Sisters, not even Cousins, or Uncles/Aunties... however, Blessed Mary and St. Joseph had children of their own who were not blood-related to Christ Jesus but HE loved them as well ... In the real sense, Christ Jesus is the adopted SON of Joseph and Mary... for HE is God by/in Nature... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen and Amen...

[@bjorkstrand7773]

mary gave birth to james, jude + ruth

[@aninjathtpwndu]

The easiest flaw I've found is that despite their view that it says 'brother' if you press them on whether they think God had more children with Mary like are modern reason assumes when someone says "my brother" they mean their full biological brother. Then they will always insert 'half-brother' contradicting what they say Bible says and their own intent of what they would never afford to a Catholic

[@thepalegalilean]

My dude, you're telling everybody you speak like an English-speaking American without saying you speak like an English-speaking American. Believe It or not, but nobody in the Ancient World spoke English.

[@alexbernard8907]

@@thepalegalilean your right modern English isn't all that old maybe 200 to 300 years (e), even here in England, spoken and written English was different just 400 years ago in Shakespeare's day they spoke differently to modern English at one time queen was spelt qvene and written was spelt wrytten and so forth, who uses words like on the morrow these days, it was changed to tomorrow when modern English developed, and it's a collection of different words from Scandinavia (the Vikings) latin from Italy, France, Germany, and other languages that has become modern English

[@nofearlanier]

Sorry to burst all the bubbles, but "adelphai" is only blood sisters... Maybe that is why those in the video ignore the sisters and focus on the brothers. On top of that, adelphos/adelphoi is not used in the New Testament in the way portrayed in the video. You can only find it used for "kinsman/men" or "brother in the covenant" in the Greek Septuagint.

[@nofearlanier]

In addition, Luke uses "first born" (Luke 2:7) for Jesus in regards to Mary, when he uses "only" son/daughter three times throughout that gospel.

[@bradleesargent]

Sisters share the same mother AND father so it's impossible for Jesus to have sisters. They would have to be step sisters which isn't used in the text.

[@nofearlanier]

@@bradleesargent MUST be blood sisters. Therefore, HALF-sisters (daughters of Mary) would be the ONLY possibility with the use of the Greek word there, because FULL-sisters are ruled out, of course. Step sisters is ruled out with the use of "adelphai."

[@bradleesargent]

@@nofearlanier the English is not step sister period.

[@nofearlanier]

@@bradleesargent I have no idea what you are saying, but there is no English. English is irrelevant.

[@infidelcastrato1844]

If Jesus didn't have a brother then who fought in the Taiping Rebellion? Checkmate 😎😎

[@ignatiusklepto5136]

Are they releasing a book?

[@housecry]

Their book is available on Amazon. The Definitive Guide for Solving Biblical Questions About Mary: Mary Among the Evangelists by Fr. Christiaan Kappes and William Albrecht The link to the book is in the description of the original video.

[@ignatiusklepto5136]

@@housecry Thank you!!

[@scottscheper]

Except Jesus didn't say "cousins of a different mother." He said "kin." You're inventing things to support your theory.

[@jeffscully50613]

There are no verses in the Bible that says those in question were the sons or daughters of Mary. None. None of the verses Protestants use claim Mary was their mother. How come?

[@jasminemariedarling]

Because of the multiple verses that refer to "Jesus's brothers and sisters". If you read the Bible and see these verses your first impression is obvious: Jesus had brothers and sisters. It takes a deep dive interpretation to come to the conclusion that He didn't have any siblings. I'm currently in this deep dive.

[@jzak5723]

@@jasminemariedarling But you also need to understand the Greek language in which the NT was written in, where the word "adelphos" has multiple meanings, not just biological brother, even though that is the meaning most meant in Scripture.

[@jasminemariedarling]

@@jzak5723 And what about sister

[@jzak5723]

@@jasminemariedarling The Greek word for sister is not limited to only biological, despite what Protestant's routinely claim. Look at James 2:15 and 1 Cor. 7:15 where the Greek word "adelphe" means someone other than a sibling.

[@jeffscully50613]

​@jasminemariedarling did you even watch the video?

[@nonoyyonon8228]

The clearest verses that Jesus is the only son of the blesssd virgin: Matthew 13:53-57 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, and coming to his country he taught them in their synagogue, so that astonished, and said. Where did this man get his wisdom and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brethren JAMES and JOSEPH and SIMON and JUDAS? Matthew 27:55-56 There were also many women there, looking on from afar, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him,among whom were Mary magdalene, and MARY the mother of JAMES and JOSEPH, and the mother of the sons of Zeb’edee. Matthew 27:59-61 And Joseph took the body,and wrapped it in a clean linen shroud, and laid in his own new tomb, which he had hewn in the rock; and he rolled a great stone to the door of the tomb, and departed. Mary Magdalene and the OTHER MARY were there, sitting opposite the sepulchre. John 19:25 But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, MARY the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

[@musicalsawpetewentworth6102]

This ie the only reference in the Bible where someone is named and called a 'brother' If your claim is right that it means relative then we should see many other examples... But we. don't

[@lanmansvideos]

According to Strongs Greek Lexicon the word syngenēs which the Greek word translated as relatives in Mark 6:4 has two meanings: 1. of the same kin, akin to, related by blood 2. in a wider sense, of the same nation, a fellow countryman Mr. Albrecht and Fr. Kappas are really stretching the meaning of the word to exclude half brothers and sisters in order to fit their narrative. The last time I checked half siblings were "of the same kin, akin to, related by blood". I'm not saying that syngenēs can't mean cousins. Obviously, cousins are blood relatives as well. However, I just don't see anyway that excludes half'-siblings, which is the claim in this video. This is why pretty much all Bible translators use the word "relatives" or "family" or "kinsmen" in Mark 6:4. Because that is what it means. Those are broad terms that include a lot of different relationships. If I'm sitting at a large table in a restaurant with my parents, siblings, in-laws, and cousins and someone I know walks up to me that I know, I'm probably going to greet him/her and turn around and say "This is my family". If I spoke 1st century Greek I would say this is my syngenēs.

[@lauraphillips7395]

JAMES : An apostle. Son of Zebedee and Salome (Matthew 4:21;27:56; Mark 15:40;16:1) Mother of Zebedee's children, in seeking favor for her sons (Matthew 20:20-23 If Joseph had other sons, Why weren't any other brothers enrolled per Jewish law? Luke 2:5 To be enrolled with Mary his espoused wife, who was with child Matthew 4:21 he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, Matthew 10:3 James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, and James the son of Alpheus, Matthew 17:1 James, and John his brother, Matthew 27:56 Among whom was Mary Magdalen, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee. Mark 1:19 James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, who also were mending their nets in the ship: Mark 3:17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he named them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder: Mark 3:18 James of Alpheus, Mark 5:37 And he admitted not any man to follow him, but Peter, and James, and John the brother of James. Mark 10:35 And James and John the sons of Zebedee, John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen. Finally Romans 16:6 Salute Mary, who hath laboured much among you James wasn't Jesus biological brother and Joseph wasn't James' Dad. Jesus had brethren, not brothers.

[@hubertagamasu6283]

Psalm 69:8-9. The messiah will be alienated by his MOTHERS CHILDREN (cf John 2:17, 7:5). End of matter.

[@jeffreywolfe1122]

This is a weak argument. Ok how is your faith stronger if Mary never had sex? Or is this just Dogma for your preachers to encourage their own absence? ( making the absence preacher “ more holy”) because if you preachers aren’t more holy, how can they lead? (Pharisees)

[@TableWalkLake]

So you’re talking about Jesus having brothers born of man. What about Jesus brothers “sons of the one true god”? You know the ones that stole mans daughter.

[@JamesWenske]

I'm a Catholic and I am tired of hearing this strained reading of The Gospel of Mark. It would be cool if you guys could present a better argument in support of Catholic dogma, and if you had a better one, you'd probably use it. "If you're really Catholic, why are you saying that?" Well let's see.... It's a sin to lie, and if I'm being honest it really seems to me that Mark assumes Jesus had blood brothers. Yes, there's Catholic dogma--and then there's a plain reading of The Gospel of Mark. @robertoberuffi1394 said it well: "What was discussed in the above video is disingenuous and misleading. Yes, the word adelphos was often used to describe relative, but there was a word that specifically meant cousin in Greek, and Paul used it in Colossians 4:10 when he referred to "Barnabas' cousin, Mark," and the word that Paul used there is anepsios. Why didn't Mark use anepsioi if he really meant to say that they were cousins?"

[@ronrosenkaimer1096]

Yes that Catholic church honors tradition and not the scriptures. Scriptures are simple and clear: Matthew 13:55, Mark 6:3. And aren’t James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas his brothers? What about the tradition that James is the half brother of Jesus. Even if its not the apostle. Oh ya, in the Greek it's clearly BROTHER! ...adelphoi Like city of brotherly love. --Philadelphia.

[@joshuaherndon4383]

As a Protestant I do have a real question. If Mary and Joseph did not consummate the marriage, was it still legitimate? I don’t have a ton of knowledge about this, but I thought that , in the Catholic Church, in order for a marriage to be binding both parties would have to come together in the conjugal act. Otherwise it’s ground for annulment and the marriage is invalid. The Marian dogmas are one of the things that I have a problem with accepting, and I’m willing to hear what others have to say on this matter.

[@henrymalinowski5125]

The Church does not state that consumption is required for a marriage.

[@jeffscully50613]

Joseph and Mary were not Catholic while they were married. The Catholic Church wasn't established until after Joseph had died.

[@pela907]

You're trying to hard to win the argument of perpetual virginity instead of seeing the truth. Christ is of the lineage of David through Joseph. It they werent fully married (marriage isnt consumated) it becomes problematic. 2. Perpetual virginity and veneration of Mary wouldve been included in the epistles if it was such an important tenet of the christian dogma. The letters were written to churches all over, its not coincidence theres silence on it. 3. Christ gave Mary to John at the cross because his brothers were not believers. He clearly stated those that were his siblings were those that did the will of his father etc. do you really think a best friend relation naturally trumps a step brother youve lived with your entire life...obviousliy not. It was a matter of faith, its always going to be a matter of faith with Christ. Remember that story about Christs family seeking him???

[@manuelpompa-u5e]

more roman catholic twisted scripture to try to prop up their 4 false doctrines of mary, which were based in pagan religion.

[@geoffjs]

Such fair minded charitable language demeans you! No possibility on intellectually honest debate!

[@sethiverson8299]

Did anyone else notice that they glossed over the end of 6:4 where Jesus included "his own house" in his list? The Greek word they spent all their time referencing is indeed the word for extended family, but the one used at the end of that verse is a direct reference to his own household, which in other verses is used to talk about immediate family as well. "But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house."

[@andrewfrancisco1286]

Oikia is not for extend family. Its literal house or home

[@adedaporh]

​@@andrewfrancisco1286 He meant (συγγενής) synegesis which means kin or relative.

[@bradleesargent]

Mary was already espoused to Joseph when she asked the angel how can I have a son when no man touches me. That means she saw herself as a perpetual virgin even after she was betrothed.

[@nonymousse4107]

Whole lot of mouth sounds right there

[@hildagelos1684]

Creo que protestantes y ateos se atienen a la literalidad de los Evangelios. Pero hay que leer y entender por ejemplo leer el Evangelio de Mateo cuando dice que en la crucifixión de Jesús estaban María Magdalena, María la madre de Jacobo y de José y la madre de los hijos de Zebedeo. Todos esos habían sido nombrados y llamados hermanos de Jesús cuando dijeron: no es éste el hijo del carpintero? Y allí están sus madres pero no nombra a la madre de Jesús! Por lo tanto éstas Maria madre de Santiago y de José y María la madre de los hijos de Zebedeo son parientes o de la Virgen María o de José, su esposo. Por lo tanto cuando se nombra a " sus hermanos" son parientes no hermanos de sangre. En cuanto a que Lucas dice que José no conoció a María hasta el nacimiento de Jesús, no significa que después sí la conoció sino que María seguía siendo Virgen.

[@kennethanderson8770]

Any Greek linguist says it’s brothers and sisters not cousins. Even a disciple was called his brother. Mary was not a perpetual virgin and Catholics making her an idol is heresy. Even Mary said she is merely a bond servant to the lord and holds no sway as to the thoughts and plans of the all power creator of the universe and Mary for that matter. I came thinking it would have a good argument for it but no I’m left with non scholarly nonsense.

[@chuckHart70]

Well there it is Kenneth says so. Forget church history...writings of early Christians .... heck dont listen to Luther. Thanks for clearing it all up.

[@kennethanderson8770]

@@chuckHart70 that’s funny because I’m my comment I specifically said Greek linguistic scholars is where I get my information from on how they translate those words. But I guess you did not want to here that part. And most of what you put in your comments all those writings prove exactly what I was saying. Thanks for that.

[@jeffscully50613]

@@kennethanderson8770 So are you saying that all "Greek linguistic scholars" say this, or only the ones you think prove your point of view? Clearly it can't be ALL "Greek linguistic scholars," because most of them don't prove your point of view.

[@kennethanderson8770]

@@jeffscully50613 no about 90 percent agree with me. Do not all because Catholic scholars will argue their point as inaccurate as it is to be idolatrous to Mary. Catholics idolize Mary so much that her having other kids messes with that view. When as a human knowing she was just a human God used in an amazing way her having other kids is not s big deal to Protestants.

[@jeffscully50613]

@kennethanderson8770 you're hilarious. NOBODY believed Protestant theology for the first 1,500 years. There weren't any credible sources who weren't heretics who believed that nonsense you believ..

[@duffydope]

Why would joseph marry if him and Marry never had sex seems unlikely.

[@KillerofGods]

To care for her and serve God.

[@josephology3290]

We debated this topic here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIi1dKxurreJfqM

[@yiannis8826]

You are wrong, we use the word Syggeneis (relatives) for our blood brothers and sisters. In fact parents are Syggeneis too. A Συγγενής (Συν + Γέννος) is a person connected to another through a biological bond (blood relatives)

[@userman44]

"The Greek word 'relative' means cousins." Ok, but by that logic, Mary is not Jesus's literal mother, since she is also mentioned prior to the word 'relatives.'

[@phoniexace]

Ok, so Marie was married to Joseph, and they never had sex? Yeah right 😆 🤣 😂

[@brooklynbarber8946]

​@@phoniexace Yeah, exactly. A sexless marriage ? Especially in Matthew 1 v 19 and he had a mind to put her away. Lolol. Come on.

[@phoniexace]

@@brooklynbarber8946 lol 😆 😂 🤣 what was Jose A-sexual lol he was ahead of his time lmaooo

[@bradleesargent]

The same people who claimed Jesus had brothers and sisters referred to Joseph as his father and he was not. God was his father.

[@nofearlanier]

This is just a lie, a bald-faced lie, and an insulting lie. Every single Protestant knows Jesus is God, humbled Himself, and conceived by the Holy Spirit. Once He was born, Mary knew Joseph and had sons and daughters as married couples do. One of Jesus' brothers, James, became a pillar and martyr of the infant church.

[@bradleesargent]

@@nofearlanier so please explain why Mary said after she was already married to Joseph, speaking to the angel Gabriel... How can it be since I don't touch a man? Also Jesus commands you to listen to the church...

[@nofearlanier]

@@bradleesargent She was not already married to Joseph. That is just another blatant falsehood. Betrothed is a legal engagement to be married. Matthew makes it clear in Chapter 1 Verse 20 where an angel of the Lord tells Joseph, "do not fear to take Mary as your wife..." Clearly they were not married when the conception of Christ was revealed to them. THEN, Joseph did as the angel commanded, "he took his wife, but knew her not UNTIL (ἕως οὗ) she had given birth to a son." The "ἕως οὗ" is very important there, meaning a definite change in state, not just a possible change in state. Romish apologists will focus only on "ἕως" in the Septuagint to try to deflect and distract, but that it not what Matthew wrote. I reject your premise that "the church" is the Romish church. The Church is the whole body of Christians and according to the pastoral epistles, a church is a local body with Elders and Deacons which hold believers accountable. My High Priest is Christ, not the pope. My Holy Father is God, not the pope. My Vicar of Christ is the Holy Spirit, not the pope. My Savior, Mediator, Redeemer, Intercessor is Jesus Christ, not Mary, not any saint. I flatly reject all these glories going to anyone else but God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. You can listen to your church, but I will listen to the Word of God and test all against His Word.

[@nofearlanier]

@@bradleesargent She was not already married to Joseph. That is just another blatant falsehood. Betrothed is a legal engagement to be married. Matthew makes it clear in Chapter 1 Verse 20 where an angel of the Lord tells Joseph, "do not fear to take Mary as your wife..." Clearly they were not married when the conception of Christ was revealed to them. THEN, Joseph did as the angel commanded, "he took his wife, but knew her not UNTIL (ἕως οὗ) she had given birth to a son." The "ἕως οὗ" is very important there, meaning a definite change in state, not just a possible change in state. Romish apologists will focus only on "ἕως" in the Septuagint to try to deflect and distract, but that it not what Matthew wrote. I reject your premise that "the church" is the Romish church. The Church is the whole body of Christians and according to the pastoral epistles, a church is a local body with Elders and Deacons which hold believers accountable. My High Priest is Christ, not the pope. My Holy Father is God, not the pope. My Vicar of Christ is the Holy Spirit, not the pope. My Savior, Mediator, Redeemer, Intercessor is Jesus Christ, not Mary, not any saint. I flatly reject all these glories going to anyone else but God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. You can listen to your church, but I will listen to the Word of God and test all against His Word.

[@nofearlanier]

@@bradleesargent She was not already married to Joseph. That is just another blatant falsehood. Betrothed is a legal engagement to be married. Matthew makes it clear in Chapter 1 Verse 20 where an angel of the Lord tells Joseph, "do not fear to take Mary as your wife..." Clearly they were not married when the conception of Christ was revealed to them. THEN, Joseph did as the angel commanded, "he took his wife, but knew her not UNTIL (ἕως οὗ) she had given birth to a son." The "ἕως οὗ" is very important there, meaning a definite change in state, not just a possible change in state. Romish apologists will focus only on "ἕως" in the Septuagint to try to deflect and distract, but that it not what Matthew wrote. I reject your premise that "the church" is the Romish church. The Church is the whole body of Christians and according to the pastoral epistles, a church is a local body with Elders and Deacons which hold believers accountable. My High Priest is Christ, not the pope. My Holy Father is God, not the pope. My Vicar of Christ is the Holy Spirit, not the pope. My Savior, Mediator, Redeemer, Intercessor is Jesus Christ, not Mary, not any saint. I flatly reject all these glories going to anyone else but God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. You can listen to your church, but I will listen to the Word of God and test all against His Word.

[@southernlady1109]

Jesus Christ has no siblings, just His brothers and sisters in His kingdom.

[@christophersecreto5686]

This is extremely weak and a stretch. In Mathew it states that he knew her not until she conceived the firstborn. If she had no other children, why use the word firstborn and not say it was her only child. Why even point out he knew her not if he knew her never. Why is John the Baptist clearly identified as a cousin but not his brothers?

[@krisk6834]

Do you think the Jews of their time waited until they’d had more children before they called the first one “firstborn?” I have a funny feeling every first child was called “firstborn” upon birth, and maybe all the way through life, even if in the end they were an only child. But you can check on what was the conventional way to refer to an only child at the time. In my opinion, “first” doesn’t imply the certainty of there being a second. The implications inherent in the English way of saying it might have nothing to do with the ancient Hebrew way.

[@biblealone9201]

And Joseph was older than Mary (a LOT older) and had other children by his first wife. "Until" in Greek means up to the point, but not beyond necessarily. 2 Samuel 6:23- “Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child until the day of her death.” Saul had children with his wife after she died? Colossians 1:15-21 “And He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities - all things have been created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

[@Thedisciplemike]

"I am with you always, until the end of the age." So Jesus won't be with us after the end of the age? We need to learn to stop using modern 21st century projections onto the meaning of words

[@CPATuttle]

Heggesipius, Papias, Hippolytus all second century writings say they are son’s of Clophus. They’d all have to be wrong. As well the the Protoevangelium of James about Mary’s perpetual virginity. That’s 4 sources. That would all have to be wrong. Papias, Heggesipius, Hippolytus all very credible.. The three apostles grouped together are the same men as the brother of Jesus. James son of Alpheus, Simon, Jude

[@christophersecreto5686]

@@CPATuttle I will look into it more.