What About Lazy People? Communist Q&A Episode 5

You can't be a lazy ceo in communism.

[@bruces4515]

They won't be able to chase their secretary around the desk.

[@joekim3307]

Ralf Römgens exactly . Communism will protect the CEO position to the rightful person who decides they want that responsibility.

[@SociallyTriggered]

CEO's aren't lazy. The average CEO works 2-3x more hours than their employees do. The idea of the lazy CEO is a myth.

[@joekim3307]

SociallyTriggered that’s precious . Do you eat too?

[@SociallyTriggered]

@@joekim3307 What do you mean?

[@chief7033]

I GOT A PRAGER U ADD ON THIS VID

[@jackg3724]

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@mikemikeetoo9094]

Fuck Prager U

[@MOperator]

@@mikemikeetoo9094 fuck mike

[@Wafflebro]

prageru be like: “actually, jesus invented capitalism”

[@Daniel-fr3us]

@@Wafflebro Hugo Chavrez: Jesus was the best Communist ever lived.

[@NoelJasik]

Even though my political views are different, saying that communists can't use smartphones because capitalists created them is just dumb

[@mickeyg7219]

Free market capitalism didn't create a smart phone, but statism sure did.

[@RenaissanceMan29]

It is not dumb, communists hates capitalism which means they hate YoUtUbE they hate Apple they hate the very keyboard they use to deliver their message globally

[@Ronni3no2]

Capitalists didn't create it, though. Their employees did.

[@WM-gf8zm]

@@RenaissanceMan29 first altai phone was made by soviets

[@aaronamour6101]

@@RenaissanceMan29 Do you drive a car or a bike? Yes? You are a person from the stone age then. You hate language and governments. You want to love in a cave.

[@argospanoptes4403]

For the first question: if you believed this, you must also believe that since gunpowder was created in imperial China, anyone who own guns/ support having one must be monarchists and imperialist if they are not a hypocrite.

[@francescosorce5189]

That is not what the capitalist argues (we all know that that's bullshit) what we argue is "That's not your phone is it? that's the state's, so what is stopping the guy next door from taking it? He is part of the state as much as you are isn't he?"

[@darimiwamubarak]

Gunpowder was accidentally developed by Taoist priests in an effort to made elixir of immortality.

[@ihala2141]

@@francescosorce5189 if you're arguing about the phone being property of the state, then capitalists sound even dumber, why the he'll would the phone belong to the state in socialism??

[@nickalmeter2935]

That's not the reason for commenting on iPhones. It's commenting on the hypocrisy of supporting the same corporations and CEOs you hate

[@derektorres3092]

Francesco Sorce, you realize it's means of production not everything in your house Under socialism, you TECHNICAL have your own stuff the thing is the state gives it to you So I would get a smartphone made by the state and it would be mine since everyone gets what they need so no one is gonna take your iPhone just because they want too It's like when your parents give you your first device it theirs but it's mostly yours to use and your sibling can't just take it

[@BloodRider1914]

I'd prefer living in the woods naked. If only capitalists didn't cut down the forests

[@MrCmon113]

There is more than enough forests for you to live naked in.

[@ilikestew5719]

There are still plenty of forests, and plenty of capitalists that want to stop it

[@BlueBusssss]

A capitalist has an incentive to replant the forest so that they can keep cutting down wood.

[@ilikestew5719]

@@BlueBusssss So does a socialist

[@jobumble8829]

@@BlueBusssss DAMN! www.google.com/search?q=clearcut+forests+pictures&sxsrf=ALeKk020Wd1x9rIOdDVPTjKcZYRIODCe-g:1592816990784&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjG7LXXiZXqAhU3SzABHbdICFUQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=2064&bih=1085 Indeed they do right? Not until the government issues orders for them to do so. It is an expense. It is not profitable to replant. They have no incentive to replant the forest until the last tree standing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_by_region#North_America Capitalist have only one incentive. CAPITAL. PERIOD.

[@ftwallday3112]

The smartphone issue is nonsense. That would be like asking a capitalist why he participates in long-distance flight. Long-distance flight was perfected in Soviet Laboratories with Soviet designs.

[@shuriken188]

I like to tell people who use that argument that using mobile telephones in general is wrong under capitalism because the first cell phone was Soviet.

[@kevinriffey9970]

cell phone was invented by Motorola. try again.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Kevin Riffey Actually the Altai phone was invented in the Sovjetunion. But it was terribly inefficient and was only for government officials.

[@kevinriffey9970]

a radio telephone does not a cell phone make.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Kevin Riffey What is the difference?

[@pm2881]

It’s like going to the feudal era and telling a peasant wanting change “oh you don’t like feudalism yet you grow your crops on land owned by your feudal lord? Hypocrite”. If you live in a feudalist world you have no choice but to participate in feudalism even if you don’t like it. If you live in a socialist society you have no choice but to participate in socialism even if you don’t like it. If you live in a capitalist society you have no choice but to participate in capitalism even if you don’t like it

[@NA-ck6cz]

You don't like being a slave? Then why do you eat the food your master gives you? Hmm?

[@RenaissanceMan29]

That is not even remotely true. Many communists don't want to work because they feel they are participating in a morally abject system, otherwise, your growing crop example was bloody terrible dude we've been working on agriculture/Neolithic revolution 5000 years ago.

[@NA-ck6cz]

@@RenaissanceMan29 Many of us don't have the luxury of morals dude. We need food and shelter at the end of the day. So we will continue selling ourselves to capitalists until a dual power system exists.

[@RenaissanceMan29]

@@NA-ck6cz where are you from?

[@NA-ck6cz]

@@RenaissanceMan29 Why?

[@aitor.online]

"why would people work under communism" i guess people dont have hobbies too lol. if you fish because you like fishing and build things because you like fixing things, why would you not be doing even more of these things in a society where you dont have to slave away in a cramped office to survive.

[@stumpyplasma6521]

Because as it stands most people will draw or righ or fish, but they wont go build buildings no one would run factorys no one would work food prep, not anuf peapole would farm, there are basics needs that would not be met and then people starve and are forced to farm

[@johncaccioppo1142]

@@stumpyplasma6521 some people actually enjoy farming. As I see it, the goal of a rational form of socialism was initially to remove the worst elements of capitalism, namely the banking cabals and the military profiteering. I think that the people who bought into those movements underestimated the skill of their opposition to such a degree that it's next to impossible to have a rational discussion about it, the narratives are cancerous on every front. This whole laziness argument is typical of that problem and people who engage on either side are fighting straw men.

[@skrtskrt3706]

because people need to clean toilets, pick up litter, work in sewers etc. not everyone can just do whatever they want and enjoy, there are jobs essential to a society that nobody really wants to do

[@aitor.online]

@@stumpyplasma6521 but thats just not true tho. most people wont do it TODAY because they get off easy in a capitalist society but if you had to you definetly would go farm and shit

[@aitor.online]

@@skrtskrt3706 yeah and people would still clean toilets and pick up litter if they needed to

[@seanpol9863]

When you mentioned janitors it reminded me of when the Spanish conquistadors first saw the Inca's. They were well impressed with how clean and tidy they were and even with their sanitation which they said was better even than anything they'd seen in Europe at that time. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised by this really as Incan society was collectively organized.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

But what government did the Incans use?

[@randomgoat3886]

​@@user-gu9yq5sj7cemperor had all the power, there was a group of advisors but the emperor could just tell them to fuck off and take any decision he wanted

[@kittypeanut4102]

​@@user-gu9yq5sj7c it could be considered socialist

[@Decius.]

I’m pretty sure hunter gatherers worked because they had to or else they’d starve or be cast out.

[@stereotype.6377]

There you go. Is it different under capitalism? No, not really. Under communism it would be the same.

[@brandonwilliams3788]

Well yeah I'm sure that's how it worked in some societies, but capitalism does that while making the profit motive the near sole motivation to do something. Working in a marketing team for Nike probably makes decent money, but their exploitation of slaves and the environment can make any decent individual feel crummy about convincing people to buy stuff they don't need to satiate shareholders. It's a lose lose for a lot of people. Work in a shitty job with no value besides money, or starve to death because you're only valuable if you produce. Some countries certainly try to balance out capitalism (except the U.S), but ultimately it's a bad system for being a good person. People have to be good people in spite of capitalism, not because it encourages it

[@Decius.]

Brandon Williams I’m not arguing for socialism or capitalism, I’m just saying he used a really fucking bad example.

[@0jacon0ice0]

@@brandonwilliams3788 As I live under a capitalist system in America I can say for sure, the idea if currency as a motivator is really not that far from the same motivator that the hunter gatherers had. The only difference is the fact that under the current system that capitalism brings I can choose to use that capital for more than purely survival. I can't claim the system to he perfect but the idea of incentives will always be the same under any system, it will simply be by a different name. Survival, Supply and Demand, By each according to his needs, it all refers to the same thing in the end. Also capitalism from how I've been able to experience doesn't breed greed, it breeds a desire to help yourself first and others second. Many a time I've seen charity and kindness, whether someone else giving something to someone in need or me myself. Greed is a trait that is inherent to men not to society. Though I 100% believe certain aspects of socialism are inevitably going to be added to the system as time progresses. Automaton alone will see to that.

[@brandonwilliams3788]

@@0jacon0ice0 I agree that man had greed and kindness built in, the full spectrum of human emotion and action are possible for everyone. However, I can't see how to each according to their need applies to capitalism, at least American capitalism. We have homeless people and empty homes, excess food and hungry people, sick with no access to care. I know America is far behind other countries in this regard, but it's hard to see how capitalism truly caters to people in any system. Until people have democratic control over political and economic decisions, can the system truly appreciate all the people in it and affected by it? Even if we make capitalism better, it will still work by exploiting other countries and people. Even much of the food and clothing we wear is made by slaves in some part of the process. Hell, we still have slavery in the states! You yourself have likely enjoyed slave labor unknowingly and unwillingly. Of course, slavery is no new concept, but capitalism accelerated the slavery trade to unprecedented levels, which is why someone of my complexion is even here in this country. And this is speaking as someone who's doing pretty okay in the system we have now, I just don't see a system that more or less ignores huge swaths of the population can last very long

[@AtheistEve]

Question 2 About laziness. I think we can cope with a certain percentage of “slackers”. If we consider the high unemployment rates, increasing population of elderly and retired people, and percentage of people who are unemployable - even in a highly capitalist society, we have a large percentage of non-productive people and we can cope. When I went to college, I received a grant (a version of universal living income) that enabled me to study without having to work or pay fees. I still had an incentive to get the best I could out of my time at college and achieve a degree.

[@AtheistEve]

Gerald Miller The USSR went from feudalism under the boot of the Czar and aristocracy to putting Sputnik into space. That wasn’t achieved through laziness.

[@nayandusoruth2468]

Universal basic income experiments show that despite costs of living being covered, there was no significant decrease in productivity (1% decrease for alaskan experiment), but it did have a massive positive effect on stress levels, and the happiness of those involved, as they could pursue what they wanted to, and find meaning for themselves.

[@Salt-Upon-Woundss]

Here is what happens under a communist regime people do just enough to not be noticed there is little to no incentive to take that extra step

[@Salt-Upon-Woundss]

Well if i had to live under that system i'd be worthless and lazy and just leech off the system as much as possible

[@kevinriffey9970]

More like through prison slave labor.

[@yahwehvii3105]

"Why own an apple product when you're a communist?" This reminds me of when I was on the new atheism wave years ago unfairly criticizing Christians for using computers.

[@qerwerg2341]

I probably would have thought you were a douche back then. Gladly, you grew out of it.

[@kalikasurf]

Yahweh VII because you’re a hypocrite. You complain about a evil capitalist corporation that makes millions and steps on the necks of its workers.............then give them 1000’s of dollars (on top of their McDuck money pile) for the newest tech and then use that tech to complain how evil capitalist corporations make millions and step on the necks of its workers.

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

@@kalikasurf thenib.com/mister-gotcha No hypocrisy. Simply the available tools. We live in a world dominated by capitalism so we really have no choice to use products made by capitalists.

[@mikemikeetoo9094]

@@antediluvianatheist5262 Until we destroy capitalism

[@Rhinoinasuit]

@@kalikasurf you think change comes from naked alienated communists in the woods? No. The goal is change, not non-hypocrisy. Therefore, using the means available to force change is the priority. Doesn't mean that the means used are the ideal.

[@keylupveintisiete7552]

"You receive from society based on if you give or not." That sounds familiar...

[@demonbot6617]

yeah, I too have heard of "from each according to their ability, to each according to his need"

[@CyanWatercress4]

Like 69

[@kellyeaton7252]

Sounds like capitalism.

[@Owlbearwolf2]

Which is not Capitalism. The majority of wealth/power goes to those who own and do not produce under Capitalism.

[@Owlbearwolf2]

@Humanity Galatica Yes. Managers work. Shareholders aren't managers.

[@lorenaaleman7914]

here’s my only thing with the “laziness” question that I want help with understanding. I fear the trap of apps on our phones and algorithms corrupt our innate desire to be productive. these dopamine machine traps I believe can occupy our minds to the point where the desire to be productive for joy is gone.

[@lorenaaleman7914]

not to sound like an anprim though lol

[@vincentwren8486]

@@lorenaaleman7914 those algorithms are created by capitalists to get as much profit and data from us as they can.

[@lorenaaleman7914]

@@vincentwren8486 so based

[@Jelly-lc2db]

@@vincentwren8486 ok yeah based but other than getting gulag'd like other comments were talking about what incentive would I have to work if I could just play videogames all day

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@Jelly-lc2db Maybe steaming your gameplays? Also, consider thinking about others. Maybe most people would still want to work and benefit under socialism or communism. People should get data on that. Maybe some socialists are ok with a few slackers if most people are better off. Nothing is perfect. There's still lazy people under capitalism now. Plus, some of them are homeless.

[@SinisterSi718113]

Ayn Rand should have done that, though. I wish she had.

[@danielw.1339]

Then how would she have spread her message?

[@tarvoc746]

+Daniel W. That's the point. ^_^

[@chrisealdana]

Shut up idiot

[@SnowyOwlPrepper]

Ayn was a waste of genetics.

[@SnowyOwlPrepper]

Christian Aldana good for adolescent minds. Wait to you mature to make wishes of the gods.

[@Adammyers1995]

I'm really late to this video but I got to say it's really nice seeing a calm and even-tempered person talk about these issues

[@johncaccioppo1142]

You get the nice version of anyone when you let them do all the talking.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@johncaccioppo1142 There are other yt-ers who get to do all the talking and they're mean and raging bullies too. So being able to do all the talking is not a guarantee for being nice. Idk why you blindly assumed that. You're never seen a yt-er be mean? So Azurescapegoat did merit the compliment of being calm on this video when he could've not be. He could've acted snarky at the questions he got. Also, you don't know if Azurescapegoat might be nice when talking with someone. Earthing Ed and Klaus from Plant Based News are nice with debating with others. Also, why can't we help people a little by giving them a chance to talk without interrupting them?

[@johncaccioppo1142]

@@user-gu9yq5sj7c Idky either. It was two years ago and I was really sick, maybe I was just in a crappy mood. I suspect that my point wasn't to imply that ASG isn't nice, I just thought is was strange to be pointing it out.

[@igeljaeger]

I'm a far right capitalist but good to watch a video with a different view for a change. Have a good day.

[@Jeevzsk]

Igeljäger gg my man

[@sobitasadullah4517]

👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@jadencarruthers3928]

Igeljäger nice I like to watch far right videos even though I disagree with them just to see a different point of view.

[@shadowling77777]

The world needs more of this

[@avaron100]

You are a capitalist or are you a proletariat?

[@lukebowman7513]

Capitalism didnt create my phone, workers did

[@lucsdevasco9162]

Tyler the creator's Dad who showed the workers how to make phones? And gave them a reason to make it by being paid?

[@A555-m6c]

Well the iPhone is just a combination of many inventions invented by using public funds

[@A555-m6c]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aovReaqZa7mZeJI

[@lukebowman7513]

Lucs Dé Vasco they got payed, but not according to the actual labor they put in to creating tge phone. The CEO didnt show them how to make the phone, they were just lucky enough to get a decent education.

[@benjaminmarks8765]

Tyler the creator's Dad wow that's a very good argument

[@nathantripathy]

I was really excited for the second question and I find the answer underwhelming. A KZbin creator using themselves as an example of people always wanting to work or using examples misses the point of the question. There are people under capitalism who are content (or resigned) to playing video games or watching TV all day. People who ask that question are curious about those people, not the teachers etc. who would already be working under capitalism. The nature of the question is, how would communism improve upon this over capitalism given that there are people who could be described as "lazy" or disinterested in work. Referencing subsistence societies, mentioning people who are already working and then claiming that there simply will be 100% employment doesn't really answer the question unless the implication is that "lazy" people would be forced into subsistence scenarios for survival. That sounds more Randian than anything else though.

[@isaacvogel4117]

There just isn't enough lazy people like that to really worry about people lazing about. We could easily support them without even worrying about it. It's not like we are an agrarian society dependent on everyone working. Heck, this pandemic has taught us you can send most people home to laze about and not even lose much productivity because most jobs now just sorta exist just to exist. Also automation is constantly increasing, so we need less people to work. I'm more worried about people who want to be productive not being able to

[@seansturrock2046]

Agreed. Video to biased to be objective and of some value

[@nessessary6792]

@@isaacvogel4117 have you ever been to America?

[@HogFlamboli]

People spend all their free time playing video games and watching tv because that’s their escape from how crappy life is. In America the work week is structured to keep us running around doing unfulfilling jobs that leave us too worn out to do much else besides sleep and try and get away from the stress.

[@gcod3d161]

@@HogFlamboli yes people realizing they and most people will be stuck slaving away to produce profit for a few that have more than enough makes people very depressed and uninterested in life

[@42billybob]

Your example of paleo/neolothic societies highlights something important: scale. I'd actually go as far to admit that "communism" is a default human society. At least on the small scale. People tend to want to help out their friends & neighbours. They'll provide them with assistance, shelter, resources, etc without expecting direct compensation... because they know them (or someone who knows them). There's a general sense that acts of good will are an investment in the community. And people tend to appreciate those that help them through hard times, generally doing what they can to minimize the burden they impose & even pay them back or pay it forward. But I have to highlight the core through-line: the size. This sort of good will in communities is something you see in small towns, communes, isolated suburbs, church groups, family units & the like. Where you *don't* see it is in dense population centers. Once a group extends beyond the range where you can personally know either a majority or at least sizeable percentage of it... you start to lose that. Once you have a group large enough to be effectively anonymous in, people blur together. You don't have that familial bond motivating this pro-social behaviour. And without it, altruism isn't sustainable. People have a finite amount of fucks to give (like... quantifiably). Game theory takes effect, and the rational course of action for a self-interested individual becomes to cheat the system. It takes a religious level of faith & zealotry to prevent this from happening. And it doesn't even take a conscious decision to fuck over everyone else. Simply wasting the fruits of the group's labour on things they don't agree with is enough for your biggest contributors to lose faith in the system. Once they become alienated, they either stop working hard enough to keep the system propped up, pack up their toys and leave, or start a hostile takeover. Capitalism bypasses this issue by simply compensating productive behaviour directly. Providing the motivation and re-aligning rational self-interest with productivity (though not necessarily the collective good of the community, still in the interests of *someone* other than one's self... and preferably as many as possible). This is probably why most societies shifted to this kind of model once we invented agriculture and started seeing larger settlements (along with actual laws, forced taxation & conscription).

[@hoon3y534]

You make very good points, i think you should read in to marx's theory of alienation though (how desireable work helps us connect with our peers and form more and stronger bonds). And perhaps its ideal to limit overpacked and crowded cities when possible in an ideal communist society.

[@42billybob]

@@hoon3y534 It's not something you can solve simply by having smaller communities within a larger communist state. You still ultimately have the problem that you're forcing people to divert a significant portion of their wealth, labour and/or time to the idea of "everyone" instead of people who are real to them. And humans just aren't wired to work that way. We have a clearly defined "us" and a "them" mentality, as the result of millions of years of rival groups kiling each other. And we only have so much room in the "us" category. Communism absolutely relies on everyone being in that "us" category. Because communism demands more than passive tolerance. It demands active support, even to what can be considered one's own detriment. You split your communist country into small communities, and the little hick town becomes the "us" and the communist party becomes the "them." The big bad tax man coming to pillage "our" wealth because a slim majority of outsiders really think the country needs to waste it on nuclear weapons, protectionist farming subsidies, a guest bathroom in every apartment, bailing out people that never seem to make a positive contribution no matter how much money is thrown at them, or some other thing "we" never agreed to. At the root of it, it's the same kind of alienation. You don't control the fruits of your labour. Whether it's a contractual arrangement with a capitalist employer or the fact that you ultimately give control of it to a nebulous faceless idea of "the workers" the emotional result is the same. You bust your ass to create wealth that is not controlled by you.

[@correiaivan]

@@42billybob feels like feudalism

[@alexa-wh4en]

This is a very, very idealized view of paleo/neolothic or medieval societies. People tend to help willingly only on condition of either reciprocity, or some utility to the group. If you don`t create value for the group, somehow. People that didn`t "pay back" in some way or didn`t blend in, very quickly found themselves kicked out or ostracized. Not to mention the hostility when somebody decides to "help" not in a way society expect them to, for example women not deciding to bear children, but let`s say get education. There is also the obviously omitted question of usage force by some subgroup to force or coerce certain standards of behavior on the rest of the group.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

Don't people usually operate in small groups, like family, neighborhoods, and towns anyways even under capitalism? Just like how people reduced racism, we can keep promoting tolerance, respect, and learning about others.

[@andrejasironic4561]

As a person living part of life in communism (ex Yugoslavia) the question about laziness is poorly explained. At the end of the communist era it was exactly that (in part) that lead to collapse of this kind of social structure. People being payed the same but not doing the same amount of job just increased the number of slackers. There is an old saying: they can’t pay me as little as how little can I work.. So that is the major problem with communism. It’s the human nature that you might idealize too much. On the other hand, if you have a good system that can recognize slacking (and just syste) then I believe it might work.

[@MarkSiefert]

For the health and sanity of those around me, I’d rather be dubbed “hypocrite” by right-wingers than making anyone see the Lovecraftian horror that is my naked body.

[@BenJAMin-o1i]

🤣

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

Just give them the explanation Azurescapegoat gave. I do wonder if some socialists try to reduce buying from businesses, especially nonessentials, if they think they're mostly bad. Also, don't be so harsh on how you look.

[@Слышьты-ф4ю]

Same shit bro, but let them look

[@bobrze]

thank you for your wording on things, very simple and straight forward. I find the more wordy videos and actual essays and books to be better for learning but videos like these are good for briefly describing certain things, useful when debating with others.

[@2tehnik]

This doesn't address the ways people can laze around in modern society though. Way back when you didn't have any social media or other things that can make you waste time, but today we certainly do. So people won't necessarily be pushed to work by boredom.

[@johncaccioppo1142]

Laziness is the reward for keeping your slaves busy for your masters. You don't need economics to establish that paradigm, just brute force. But he does have a point, albeit poorly communicated, about the reward of collective effort. Mentally healthy people are greatly rewarded by working groups, even if it's simply a matter of showing up at the same time to listen to somebody talk.

[@thewitchcoven]

You realize that you could still force people to work to get support, right? Like, you could simply not give support to non-workers if they were needed.

[@giancarloo8864]

That's because in modern society it is extremely de-motivating to live in a corporate world where most people need to slave away at a job they don't like until they are old enough to retire. If people get enjoyment and passion out of being in social media, or playing video-games, why should they not pursue that passion? Those are already existing jobs (ie social media manager, streamer, youtube creator, game tester/ developer). Under communism, these people could pursue their passions just as much as anyone else. "Contributing to society" means also contributing to the arts, philosophy and even entertainment, which social media is now a part of

[@2tehnik]

@@giancarloo8864 well, iirc, the original concern addressed in the video is lazy people not having to contribute in communism being a problem because work would still have to be done. This isn't a problem if the basic necessities (along with with the secondary and fourth sectors I guess) are basically automated or require a very small work force, but I don't think the video assumed that.

[@brendanm9813]

You said people would work, because humans naturally want to work. But when you were talking about robots you said we would have more time to do things that we want, and less time working.

[@sicknness1]

yep, but people in the comments believe its a "good video with good arguments". sad, really low quality arguments

[@SeanHartnett-t8c]

I mean the alternative is mass unemployement while the business owners take the rest of the money we have

[@rowbotia]

Humans naturally want to be productive, not necessarily to work. Work is just one of the necessary ways to be productive. Automation can create more opportunity to do other productive things, such as sports, reading, educating yourself, and recreational activities.

[@defygravityXD]

Idk about everyone else, but my main motivator to work CONSISTENTLY is the fact that other humans rely on and expect things from me. If I miss a day of work at my salaried job, I don’t make any less money. But my coworkers suffer, my work suffers, and everyone falls behind a little. That’s why I don’t just stay home from work when I’m feeling lazy. I go because I have a social obligation. And if I miss a day of work, I make sure to communicate ahead of time with my coworkers so they can prepare to make due without me. This of course only works if I care about my coworkers’ wellbeing and about the work I am doing. Which, in a collaborative environment (rather than a competitive one) is really pretty easy for me. From the other side, if I care about my coworkers’ wellbeing, I’m understanding and accommodating of their need to take time off from work. I WANT to help pick up some of their necessary work so they can take a break.

[@Jenacide]

Meanwhile 90% of my coworkers are lazy selfish A-holes who I consistently have to pull the weight of

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@Jenacide You don't know if it's because your co-workers dislike their jobs because they are forced to get those jobs just for a wage to survive. That maybe with socialism, people can more do their interests. Or maybe cause you're mean to your coworkers since you called them bad names. Which you shouldn't, and expect people to just take your word for it without a grain of salt. You may be exaggerating about your coworkers or expect them to overwork. Who knows. Also, you don't if most people would work under communism. People can get data on that.

[@Jenacide]

@@user-gu9yq5sj7c Lawl! You think I liked most of my jobs? I still pulled my weight and didnt force my coworkers to pick up my slack. I’ve never been mean to my coworkers or called them any names outside of anonymous comments like this one and nothing I said implied otherwise. My “data” on communism are all the times it failed, the millions upon millions of deaths, and the experiences of my own family who fled those horrors.

[@eeveegaming4798]

We’re proably not even 100 years away from majority job automation

[@shanecar84]

Wild guesses from me... If you mean above 50%, I think 20 years maximum. Above 75%, I'd be amazed if it took 50 years. Especially if we don't include jobs that really aren't necessary in the grand scheme. A factory, warehouse and shipping company full of robots won't need many foremen, managers and human resource workers.

[@jonasduus3022]

"WoRk bEcAuSe NoTHing ELSE to dO" there is alot of things i, and pretty much anyone, would rather do than work my friend.

[@NoelJasik]

About being lazy under comunism, there was a polish proverb from times under soviet occupation, "czy się stoi czy się leży 2000 się należy" which basiclly translates to "no matter if you're standing or lying down, you will get 2000 (money)"

[@TheEmoSyndicate]

In every Communist Country. There was a joke like that. When people say Lazy. They mean work 4 hours and still get 2000. Not litteral Laziness most of the time. They know the system would give regardless.

[@thelightofourdawn3813]

Nice Azure really enjoy your videos!

[@brad5696]

Question what kind of socialist are you? Specifically are you for democratic reformation or are you the revolutionary type?

[@kidpen]

He's revolutionary I think, although I'm not completely sure.

[@postleftist1312]

Build socialism through democratic reformation is imposible. Capitalists won't allow it.

[@rickrolld1367]

@@postleftist1312 *cough cough* Ireland *cough cough*

[@postleftist1312]

@@rickrolld1367 is there socialism?

[@rickrolld1367]

@@postleftist1312 Ireland will be socialist by the next election, Marx my words.

[@willdower2947]

"What else would they do?" The man has obviously never enjoyed a good video game.

[@dhruvgupta794]

"Under communism, automation will let us spend time doing things that we want to do."

[@breecasey6744]

Wonder how those video games are made though??

[@kennethshannon2196]

They would be killed or forced through fear under communism.

[@dhruvgupta794]

@@kennethshannon2196 people are killed and forced through fear under capitalism too ... then don't elect such leaders who don't believe in democracy 👍

[@ahmadmagdy4830]

@@kennethshannon2196 who will force them?

[@daleparker9049]

It's really nice to see people still standing up for communist principles and using logical arguments to defend our principles. Thanks for this. I'm not articulate enough to sufficiently defend my political views under normal circumstances, a problem with being autistic. This video helped me to articulate the reasons I am a party member when I'm inevitably questioned by my associates.

[@bluelotus.society]

Multiple PragerU ads are being shown underneath your videos at the same time and KZbin is not allowing us to report them.

[@dominiklepir3306]

Qna: 1.do you now how to lead revolution? 2.can you lead revolution? 3.opinion on Ernesto Che guevara? 4.what is your opinion on SFRJ yugoslavia

[@Zen-rw2fz]

Know*

[@theskiypdee]

Sfr* The "j" in sfrj stands for jugoslavia(yugoslavia), so you just said"socialno federativna republika Jugoslavia Jugoslavia"

[@joachimmacdonald2702]

If humans where inherently greedy, every one of us would be an investment banker - surprisingly enough, most of us aren't.

[@fedorkochemasov4533]

Well all animals are inherently greedy, that's the main survival mechanism, you get yourself tons of things to live off. However, some humans learned to suppress that urge.

[@Rhinoinasuit]

@@fedorkochemasov4533 animals are not greedy. They take what they need to ensure their survival. That is not greed

[@fedorkochemasov4533]

@@Rhinoinasuit ok, here you are probably right, but my point about humans being inherently greedy still stands. If some people don't have the ability or just don't want to become an investment banker that doesn't mean everybody is like that. I would say majority of people are greedy but through willpower and good nurture from their parents they suppress that greed

[@nerd_nato564]

@@fedorkochemasov4533 Altruism helps everyone. An altruistic society would improve everyone's lives. Why can't we teach ourselves to be less greedy?

[@fedorkochemasov4533]

@@nerd_nato564 But I have mentioned it already 0 if you are nurtured by your parents and people around you correctly you are able to suppress that greed

[@sobanya_228]

2:36 I can easily learn something useless in the internet all day and die from starvation because of my extreme laziness.

[@Dagobert269]

The next time someone will ask me why I have an iPhone I’m gonna just start undressing and saying he’s right

[@maestrotheoretically519]

Just came across your videos! You're awesome!!

[@BlueZebraStripe]

"why would people work?" "Because they will be bored" ok good insight.

[@hhhuthhhjj5599]

Lol why would they work instead of sitting on their ass whole day watching KZbin videos ?

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

It happens to be true. As an unemployed person in a country that does not harass you to get a job, i FIND work. I currently have 4 volunteer jobs.

[@hhhuthhhjj5599]

@@antediluvianatheist5262 anecdotal evidence

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

@@hhhuthhhjj5599 Want data? Retired People. Volunteers.

[@hhhuthhhjj5599]

@@antediluvianatheist5262 yeah I want data . That people will work if they already have enough income to get going . Etc

[@NegatingSilence]

There's a big difference between "people would continue doing things" and "architects would still make buildings." Some architects might sketch grand concepts but ain't nobody doing all the actual work that needs to be done to build a complex building just because they're tired of playing video games and making KZbin videos.

[@ramichahine1071]

yes they would lol

[@AB-ou8ve]

The Soviet Union criminalized work evasion as “social parasitism.” Question answered.

[@victorzaak]

Source?

[@Boom-v5m3f]

And Russia

[@voluntarism335]

and if i don't want to work? your gonna point a gun to my head?

[@Boom-v5m3f]

@@voluntarism335 ok

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

@@voluntarism335 What does the current system do when you break the law?

[@willm200]

I could not agree more. I wish I could, but I physically can’t. Great video comrade

[@Valiguss]

The problem is not so much that people won’t work form a political theory perspective but that the elements of the human psyche, so community, desire to be innately productive, etc… when it comes to these things we simply haven’t devised a system that utilizes these as effectively as markets utilize greed and other motives. This is why I have yet to be convinced of socialism because as a utilitarian i need to be convinced of its efficacy before i support it. It is however why i quite like the idea of market socialism, my one problem there is that I haven’t been given a solid proposal again for how it would work, but this probably comes down to a lack of reading in market socialist theory yet.

[@donjoe7529]

the most telling part of this video comes at 6:08 - 'under communism, automation is awesome... it means that we can spend more time doing the things we want to do, less time working' ! i really dont think that laborers care when they are able to slack off 24/7 whether it is thanks to automation or thanks to government cheques continuing to arrive in the mail on schedule regardless if they work hard or not my small business got the green light earlier this month to fully re-open now that covid19 restrictions are completely lifted. when i contacted my former employees, all four of them said they were doing fine with their government stimulus + unemployment payments, but will get back to me when those benefits run out and they need to start working for income again when i look at their fb/ig/twitter accounts, most of their posts are about new xbox or ps5 games they are getting into and what they picked up on their trip to the cannabis dispensary. after more than a year not working, i think they would be perfectly content to live out their lives smoking weed, playing new video games, and swiping left/right to find tinder dates week in and week out if the government willingly subsidized this lifestyle for them i do not say this at all as condemnation of anyone; i am quite certain that i myself would also make the exact same choice if i had the option to continue receiving an uninterrupted level of income without any effort. i only raise this point because other fellow business owners i have spoken with recently have also expressed having this same difficulty getting workers to return without offering 2x-3x times the amount of pay compared to how much our government has been paying people _not_ to work btw... i do agree with some criticisms of capitalism, and feel that more regulations and reforms are needed to protect against outrageous exploitation (like profiting off opioid addictions) and address extreme degrees of inequity. but scrapping the entire system and going all in for communism would merely exchange one set of problems for another. i have heard various ideas (some sound good and some sound bad) to tackle some of our current problems that haven't been tried yet, and which i hope can make progress. but i have not really heard ideas on how we could successfully implement communism without ending up becoming a larger version of venezuela or cuba or north korea, which i would consider a major step backwards, not forward

[@raqueljacobs1542]

The reason why workers are reluctant to go back to work is the same reason why you don’t serve customers who don’t pay. What’s insidious about capitalism is that it creates two classes, one class convinces the other one to put most of their waking day trying to achieve goals that aren’t their own. I work in clean energy sales. I went right back into work right after the pandemic because I 1) believe in clean energy even though I don’t believe the private sector is sufficient to distribute it effectively 2) I work on commission, so I make more money working than I would sitting at home. Do I really enjoy selling stuff? No, but do I think it’s something people should have? Yes. That’s why I was excited to go back. As far as scrapping the system goes, we believe that the problems of the system begin with the employer-employee relationship. Any system that exists that doesn’t delineate those roles isn’t capitalism. Yes, socialism will have problems but they will be different problems than capitalism has. Hopefully there will be slightly less problems than capitalism, but even if there were more, at least the working class would have the mechanisms at their disposal to address those problems as they arise. Under the current system we elect rubes who have been bribed with campaign contributions and expect them to fulfill their half- hearted promises to us to start to think about doing something about a problem that we have. Even with the problems that occur in some socialist countries, you can see evidence that people are working to fix those problems. What we get under capitalism is paternalistic nonsense about self-regulating systems and assurances that problems are very complicated and gradual change is the best we can hope for.

[@zra1080]

Love your vids comrade

[@paifu.]

Excuse me but its actually cheaper to be vegan if you buy legumes instead of mocked meat

[@Rhinoinasuit]

Communism and veganism are similiar in their ethical principles, glad you've made the connection too

[@paifu.]

@Rafael Mendonça Queiroz Good thing you can be vegan without eating organic food then

[@paifu.]

@Rafael Mendonça Queiroz Dude the main point is yoi can go vegan and if dosent have to cost more, as a utilitarian you should make that choice then

[@josefstalin4532]

The ideology that killed by far more people people than any other in human history is similar in it's ethical principles to not wanting to kill animals? What?

[@milithdheerasekara6957]

@@josefstalin4532 can u explain how this ideology killed by far more people people?

[@heroiamarelo]

I find it easy to do nothing. I would expect the world to pay me for doing nothing actually.

[@bruces4515]

You work for dedication to the community, and this is how success is measured.

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

Most people dont give two shits about just working for the community. You literally have to pay people to donate their sperm, take neilson surveys, and participate in experimental trials.

[@j-Rodd]

I think the point of the first rhetorical question is that the smartphone is a product of capitalism, and it wouldn’t have been created without it. It’s main focus is to suggest that capitalism is better and the smartphone that communists use is evidence of it.

[@loopiloop]

Eating vegetables should be cheaper than eating an animal that grew through eating vegetables from thermodynamics alone.

[@paulstaker8861]

yeah but vegan steak blows

[@loopiloop]

@@paulstaker8861 there are many things that make a lot of fun despite not being very energy efficient if evaluated by other factors. For example, a smart might be the more fuel efficient method to transport a single person without cargo, but a hummer is certainly cooler.

[@patriciamcgeorge2575]

This would be great but it's very naïve. Just look at the last quarantine, how excited we were to get a low done and how little we did get done. Every one of us lazed off almost immediately

[@richardlilley8587]

Patricia McGeorge I've been in quarantine and am interested in going back to work now but can't, after 3 months of doing nothing I'm now bored, so your comment really doesn't speak for everyone

[@patriciamcgeorge2575]

@@richardlilley8587 No, it doesn't, but it doesn't have to. I personally got a lot done over the quarrantine, but you don't need everyone to slack off, just enough people for the country to fail

[@pm2881]

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”. If you don’t give according to your ability (you slack off), you don’t receive according to your need. That’s incentive.

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

"He who does not work, does not eat." Lenin.

[@gernottiefenbrunner172]

That's incentive to pretend to be working according to your ability. If you actually work according to your ability, there will inevitably be days where you appear to be slacking off. That's actually bad enough of a problem in a merit based system, but it's way worse in an effort based one. It's also an incentive to pretend to have special needs, but that's a lot less important.

[@garybobst9107]

Communism/socialism can't compete with free countries.They always fail when faced with reality.

[@networknomad5600]

You just made a great argument for eugenics.

[@ramichahine1071]

@@networknomad5600 how

[@nicholasgraham4402]

The answer to question 2 is so unsatisfying. If I got everything provided regardless of if I worked, I almost certainly wouldn't work.

[@taylorgrech5601]

I agree with you on that, which is why I’m a socialist. In an ideal world, everyone would work for the betterment of the community/humanity, and everyone would do their part to make the world a better place, but in reality people are selfish and greedy and lazy. A true communist state, without money, social classes or a state would be the perfect world, but it’s unrealistic for modern humans

[@blaze3256]

hmm, hipothetically, have you ever heard of vuvuzela? HA, GOTCHAA!

[@blackhope]

Hey Azure, I have a few questions about what parts of Mao thought you like and what parts you dislike. I hear you say you don't like saying your a maoist but you agree with him on some things, and I was wondering if you could expand on this.

[@TheEmoSyndicate]

Hoaxism is best ISM

[@brynjames3779]

I think the second question could have been answered better. I was really looking forward to a good counterargument

[@boxerrobert4005]

Then tell me it.

[@jackbrons4904]

Second answer seems pretty flimsy. Assuming people will work because they are bored ignores all the other things they could do which would not produce social goods. There are very large amounts of people who are very happy reading books, playing video games, travelling, drinking, etc. rather than having to commit to a job and work.

[@cameronfarroll3616]

2:32 well, they needed to work to survive

[@Akula114]

Thank you, Comrade!

[@sankhakarunaratne9697]

Me lying in bed watching you tube: People are not lazy, lol.

[@Marcin-pr2sz]

1. You admiring you are lazy even under capitalism? 2. Do you believe 'the plural of anecdote = statistics'?

[@LazyLoonz]

@@Marcin-pr2sz bro he was telling a joke, hence why he said "lol"

[@ВикторМельник-д9ц]

The fact that the surrounding reality puts pressure on you, destroying any desire to do something does not mean that you are lazy. It's just that people are by nature quite sensitive to the social climate in society. Accordingly, when they feel that something is wrong, but do not understand the reason or do not know how to overcome it, they fall into apathy. So read good books, for example, Maxim Gorky and learn new things, then your laziness will pass.

[@comradesam750]

Ah! I thought I recognized some swedish in your dialect! Indeed the leftist party has lost it's way, but it sure is better than voting for the communist party due to the slim chances of it even joining the parliament. Tack för videon, kamrat!

[@ideaaddict923]

"We strive to better ourselves and the rest of humanity" - Capt. Picard

[@EliotsLaunagsMuzika]

In Soviet Union, those people who were really enterprising, diligent, willing to work their ass off and take some risks, often ran their own illegal businesses. They were called "speculants" in USSR and private enterpreneurship wasn't allowed until the Perestroika, wen things got more relaxed. There were people who grew their own tomatoes and cucumbers and sold them on the low. There were people who changed currency for tourists at a more favorable rate than state-run exchanges (in which the ruble was sold 10x above its true value). There were people who bought Western contraband (jeans, sneakers, chewing gum, music records, magazines, VHS tapes etc.) from sailors, tourists and other travellers and then distributed it further to kids who wanted the cool Western stuff. Worst and probably most destructive type of speculants were those who bribed factory directors, bought large volumes of deficit goods and then sold them to people at much bigger price than was set by the state. However all speculants were mythologized and respected by the people, because they were richer, smarter and "worked for themselves". In severe Socialism (like that of USSR) many people will idolize Capitalism and root for it. In severe Capitalism (like that of USA) many people will idolize Socialism and root for it.

[@redditproductions680]

could you address some of the biggest problems with the Soviet union like how the economic growth slowed down and how the living standards were lower in the east and how to fix those issues because I believe in a mix between the two and your vid seems great but a bit extreme so just wondered if there was actually any solutions to problems like how the big institutions did not want to over preform in production/productively in fear of not meeting that same standard next year and how it could work on a super large scale because there are going to be individuals that will be corrupt

[@turkishlibertarian74]

The USSR became revisionist and corrupt, Leninists have explained why

[@raqueljacobs1542]

We have the same problems with asset allocation under capitalism. If you look with a critical eye you can see that we have economic speed ups and slow downs, some areas are more prosperous than others. Economics explained did a pretty good video on it. None of the problems that were pointed out didn’t have easy solutions and none of the issues were core systemic issues.

[@mrsscreamgirl5332]

Very much agree with what you said! But I want to share a fun story: Once I had to go to the local mental health ward and I talked a lot to two guys who very pro capitalism and one of them told me: "you hate capitalism but you own a Phone and clothes so you can't be a marxist!" ( very stupide and that's not the point but) I told him that I got my Phone from a friend and my clothes are second hand; his reaction was a piece of art! Let's make a better world Genossen!

[@dddduuuuuhhhhhhhh]

In neo and paleo societies, they didn’t do things just to do them. They did things like hunting, gathering, making clothes, tools etc. because if they didn’t, they died.

[@angrywelshman7207]

The reason why the old timers worked without downtime was because if they didn't they'd die of starvation, freezing and threats from other societies.

[@meowatthemoon6645]

"What else would they do with their time?", jeez IDK watch movies, play sports, play video games, have sex, fap to porn, walk your dog, play with your kids, chill in bed, watch TV... people in the palaeolithic didn't have these things hence why did work, also in more intense living circumstances which required them to work else they may not have food for the next day. I came for this question hoping for an actual good answer... disapointed

[@Ronni3no2]

Not everyone is depressed, though. May I ask: why exactly do you want an answer to this question? Do you think people owe it to you to work for you?

[@meowatthemoon6645]

@@Ronni3no2 I was interested in an answer to this question because I believe that the fact that people choosing to not work if they didn't have to would invalidate the idea of communism, that's all. You don't have to be depressed to choose to not work when you can go surf or go for a run.

[@Ronni3no2]

@@meowatthemoon6645 If you spend all your time surfing or running, that might be a symptom of underlying mental issues. How exactly would it invalidate it? Unless there is 100% automation, people actually have to work.

[@meowatthemoon6645]

@@Ronni3no2 I'm asking what prevents a person from spending their time on "not-working" activities while others work? Aren't all resources distributed evenly in pure communism regardless of who produced them?

[@Ronni3no2]

@@meowatthemoon6645 All resources are not distributed "evenly"; they are distributed democratically and according to people's needs. You know that phrase, _"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?_ Notice the first part of the phrase. Nothing is in a person's way if they wish to spend their time "not-working". However, you'd have to try very hard to truly do nothing socially useful. Even someone who really likes surfing and surfs while others work to make their food, clothes, and.. surfing equipment, would probably do a lot of socially useful work teaching and entertaining others with this hobby. But even if there were people who really go out of their way to not contribute to society, then chances are that any goods of which there is a shortage will not be distributed to them.

[@Marco-ge5kl]

"'-What if people choose not to work? -They won't. Trust me."

[@johncaccioppo1142]

The authoritative point vs. counterpoint IS nauseating... it's the weakest facade of an effort at critical thought.

[@goblin7404]

Finally a smart person in the comments. I can't believe he seriously thinks that doctors would work without pay.

[@johncaccioppo1142]

@@goblin7404 Not American doctors, that's for certain. But it wasn't always like this, medicine wasn't always a corporate scam. If we found ourselves back in the stone age, which could happen suddenly in the blink of an eye, we'd all still need medical services. We accept without question that medical providers are supposed to be generous people, at least with their empathy, but if you ever lived at the lowest end of the economic spectrum you know that isn't how you are treated. That is so contrary to a historical perspective on the profession that it almost entirely defies logic... except we know what people will do for money and status.

[@goblin7404]

@@johncaccioppo1142 I don't live in America idk what you are saying. My point is just that being a doctor is hard and if they weren't payed then they would switch to an easier job or just have no job at all.

[@johncaccioppo1142]

@@goblin7404 I see you've done a lot of research on the subject so we can leave it there.

[@justjosefjosefthegopnik6051]

Pls help me how to make country socialist again i need help am running out of options

[@mrlonghead]

Yes comrade you got yourself a new subscriber

[@FindingEzekiel]

In a communist society who/what type of people work in the coal mines, oil rigs, waste management, etc? I noticed you only cherry picked jobs that have more interest from the general public?

[@anottakenusername3189]

We can't make assumptions about what people would do given the choice to not have to work. Pride is a very powerful factor and combined with boredom it would motivate some people to work towards a more productive future. However, it is also because of that pride that people when asked will claim that they would still work hard when in reality their ego won't let them admit that they would do nothing at all. Boredom is very easily remedied with the countless hours of already produced media content. I just finished a video game that took me 2 months to beat, and mind you there are already games that exist that are technically endless. If I live to 60 years of age that's 1/360th of my entire lifespan and that was just ONE game. I have met people who just enjoy watching cooking/reality tv all day. That's not even mentioning all of the other activities/hobbies/media that you can spend time doing while contributing absolutely nothing for the rest of the world. If I am a sociopath or just selfish there is nothing you can do to shame me into thinking that I owe anybody anything for helping to keep me alive. During the Paleo/Neolithic era at least tribes could let you die if you didn't contribute, but ask anyone who lives in Las Vegas and they will tell you about our army of homeless panhandlers many of which CHOOSE to beg while baking in the desert sun instead of being productive because they make more than enough money. One of the biggest and most difficult lessons for Communists to learn is that deep down many people don't care about the things you would think they should care about and it's hard to get them to care enough to self-motivate. Self-motivation is much harder than people realize and psychologically it's just easier to work for a paycheck. Money and the fear of poverty are some of the most powerful motivators and yet even money can fail to motivate sometimes. However, taking away a motivator is never a good idea if the goal is progress, and finding meaningful work for everyone is just unrealistic. If you could find "meaningful" work for everyone perhaps it would be possible. Visit Hollywood and see how many people are willing to go through hell for the chance to maybe be an actor 10 years from now and finally have their "meaningful" job. Communism trades the misery of relying on money for the misery of relying on there being enough meaningful work for everyone when some jobs just straight up suck. The new social class war would revolve around which group in society has the "better" jobs, or who gets to work the least amount of hours. Don't believe me that the world is full of freeloaders? Start asking people 1 on 1 in private if they have ever illegally downloaded music.

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

In my 8th most socialist country in the world, i can sit in my room and play games all day. I don't. After the first week, you get the urge to do something useful, even if you don't have to. I now have 4 volunteer jobs. And people are glad to see me when i show up. IS that not a good thing?

[@sirnikkel6746]

Voluntary work. That is nice! Now, what if you get paid for it?

[@MrCmon113]

In societies, in which excellence doesn't get you anything, all of the men tend to sit around all day doing nothing.

[@streetyfit8400]

Could you do a video addressing the "so becoming a doctor would make you the same as a construction worker?" Kind of argument

[@kalikasurf]

Streety fit in communism, there wouldnt be either!!!! If given the opportunity to either work 33 hours a week for free or play xbox for 7 days and receive the same money...... ill play xbox. And so will most of the population

[@MrCmon113]

@@kalikasurf There won't be xBoxes. You'll be forced to work and work inefficiently and won't get much credit for it.

[@kalikasurf]

Taxtro apparently you haven’t heard the democratic socialist agenda......

[@kalikasurf]

Stale Bagelz none of that made any sense......the American experience is designed to allow a person to rise or fall based on their own effort. if socialism was ideal for men, then why does NO ONE fabricate a boat made of tires and bottles to get IN TO a communist country?

[@MrCmon113]

@Stale Bagelz No one is punished for not working in capitalism. There is no need. You don't owe people just for existing like you do in communism.

[@patrickkuhn5846]

I waited and waited and waited for SOMETHING to be correct in this video, and it never happened.

[@johncaccioppo1142]

It's exhausting, I know. I mean, he could have been correct about many things he said, in the right place, in the right time, with the right people. That's a pretty lousy bar for accuracy in a philosophical argument. I'm pretty sure I could do a better job defending ANY position, stoned off my ass.

[@hopperthemarxist8533]

Another thing that is important to point out I think. Whenever people talk about communism they assume it means everyone makes the same wage. The ussr was a socialist country that had wage gaps. In the transition stage to communism (socialism) wage labor still exists until abundance and the state as it currently exists withers away. If you everyone a bike why would anyone steal bikes. You walk into a fast food restaurant and you can take as much ketchup as you want. If ketchup was rare and expensive people would hoard it and sell luxury brands of ketchup. Whatever is abundant and not scarce is not hoarded. If wealth is so abundant why would anyone need to work for monetary wealth? People are lazy under capitalism because they know they are being ripped off and are alienated from their labor. Most people in a capitalist society are either deeply cynical or hopelessly brainwashed by capitalist propaganda

[@mininoelrojo18]

This promotion group starting at Macdonald dropping good costumers

[@mininoelrojo18]

This promotion group starting at Macdonald dropping good costumers

[@Milkbutter]

If I say smartphone venezuela multiple times, I'll win every argument.

[@davidzhan]

In regards to the second question: No, you’re wrong. In China (where I come from), during the Mao era, there were several years that everything (or all) was run by the state. The state would tell you what to produce, how much to produce, and how much do you receive of each good. Guess what, workers would be lazy as hell expecting to receive without working (since what I’m producing is not for me). Furthermore, after the Mao era, many factories were still run by the state. Workers would just sit around reading the newspaper and drinking tea while expecting to get paid anyway. That is why so many people were fired when these factories were privatized when China went through the liberalization period (1978-1991). Actually, you can still see this in today’s society. In the country where I currently live, Spain, it is almost impossible for state workers to be fired. They are clearly less productive than private sector workers because they will get paid anyway. Obviously, not everybody is lazy, but, in general, state workers are not as productive as private workers.

[@furlan1743]

State workers in Italy too have the same situation

[@toniilievski3934]

@@furlan1743 Well imagine a society of state workers , the workplace can be chill for all after all .

[@Valiguss]

@@toniilievski3934this is fair, the main concern here though is what happens if capitalism decides it hates you(you know like it does because socialism is literally an ideology predicated on its destruction) and they just bludgeon you with efficiency This is not a problem with socialist theory just with practicality, realistically speaking spreading the revolution is not just a feature of socialist ideology but a material requirement for its survival

[@yitivitzen5239]

Who is doing the economic planning in a communist society? And if you say it’s a democratic system, how do you ensure people vote? And if there is a great divide for instance a 51%-49% divide, how does this not create almost a different class, the majority vs the minority? Or if it’s like a republic with representatives how do you ensure that these representatives will represent the people properly? How will voting districts be created? And how are they in check? Or if it’s like a Vanguard system where the party votes, then how will you ensure there is not a struggle between those in power and those not in power? Marx wants to end “class struggle” that after this revolution everyone will be equal. But common, let’s be realistic here. There will be a new two group power divide. And that will be between those who have political power and those who don’t. Whether that’s minority vs majority, or the state vs the people.

[@Commievn]

The key here is transparency. Those that are in power, must be monitored at all-times by those that are not in power. They must trade their power for privacy, their influences over personal matters. But usually, when people have a taste of power, they become corrupt, especially in developing countries when remnant of the old teachings and the history of the past that reek capitalism and imperialism. This is why Marx hated religions and old ideology. It's also why Mao ZeDong started the cultural revolution because China history was full of imperialism and capitalism. paper money or "fiat money" is after all, a Chinese invention.

[@johannhawk8471]

A lot of people are interested in cybernetic planning and direct democracy or liquid democracy to address that. also there are communists that do actually agree with you that the introduction of communism doesn't mean the end of history which instead means a new contradiction/power divide would arise. Although maybe not in the way you describe it since once communism is reached there'd be no nation-state to be against. however while Marx did advocate for abolishing classes he didn't say "everyone has to be equal" as cited in this 9minute video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqu0i5KEeaqtjNE Marxs and Engels specifically wrote that trying to make people equal in one way would them unequal in other ways.

[@drakekoefoed1642]

would you take a job cleaning rembrandt's studio if you could get paid for staring at the wall? lots of people are kind of into cleaning, but what motivates them is it is worth doing. sweeping up after slobs is kind of alienating, but you would get someone for a higher salary and/or the glory.

[@nayandusoruth2468]

Question 3, no, humans are normally supposed to be more altruistic and share both their labor and the fruits that come of it. It was a survival mechanism in prehistory, whereby all could rely on each other free of charge. However, when cities and trade started to appear, money was invented to help ease the distribution of wealth. This laid the foundation for capitalism to arise nearly ten thousand years later (not including roman and greek capitalism) to form after feudalism declined.

[@Omnicronnn]

I'm definitely a capitalist (at least until we see if we can completely automate the means of production), but I still enjoyed this video. You're my favorite leftist.

[@arandom1236]

Vegan food isn't expensive compared to "normal" food

[@TheHydraccana]

Veganism isnt more expensive than not being vegan

[@giren0079]

TheHydraccana It depends on where you live and what you like to eat. All the produce near my house is garbage or expensive.

[@TheHydraccana]

Meat is necessarily more expensive than produce by virtue of the fact that crops are sold as is while meat is produced by feeding animals crops and then selling the meat. There's a lot of "inefficiencies" in the transformation of plant calories to animal based calories, and that is why eating plants is more economical than eating meat.

[@TheHydraccana]

Eating organic and non gmo food has nothing to do with veganism. You know what veganism is, right? Not engaging in animal products? Being non gmo or fully organic has nothing to do with that.

[@MrVisioo]

But meat is tasty! Also animals can eat lower grade of crops, while people can't.

[@TheHydraccana]

neither of those things really matter

[@limsalalafells]

I liked the book quote. We all know positive reinforcement works wonders in training. Capitalism rewards greed, so people in capitalist countries are encouraged to be greedy. It is not human nature or capitalism would work better than it does and people wouldn't feel sickened by what is done in the name of capitalism.

[@fredbegin3850]

The strong lift the weak, simple socialism

[@yungcommi]

0:57 "No. No one in their right mind would say...." There's your problem right there.

[@davereck79]

You guys haven't got that far in your social experiment have you

[@_Cartographer_]

The reason that in primitive society people worked was to keep their reputation in their small communities. In a huge country such as USSR that would not be enough. As it was evident in USSR, many workers worked minimally just to get by. Alcoholism and drug addiction is rampant even to this day in Russia.

[@valerieo.7012]

Even though I completely disagree with most things you've said in the video and I'm for capitalism, I'm still happy that I've watched this. I'm trying to listen to the opposing side to either gain more knowledge or if they have valid points to maybe see if Socialism is something even plausible in my country. But if anything watching these just make me feel more sure about my opinion on Socialism vs Capitalism but I plan on to continue doing my research. So thank you for posting this even though I dont particularly agree with it. I'm glad to hear a different perspective.

[@loganr746]

Try looking at socialism, it’s awesome. A nice blend of communism with a hint of capitalism sprinkled in.

[@alexredfield1943]

I recommend "What is wrong with capitalism" from Contrapoints

[@michaelholdeman4317]

If a worm stays outside of the fruit nothing changes, but if you enter the fruit you can change a lot.

[@_Cartographer_]

6:40 You do realize that thousands of people starved to death in USSR and the working hours were reduced because there were not enough jobs ( at least good ones) for people. Working on a potato farm is not the best way to make use of your literature degree.

[@mothermovementa]

This guy is completely crazy

[@lukascentauri]

I really cannot see how one can unironically call themselve a communist

[@SuperSonicSourD]

I had a communist roomate and had to kick him out because he was always late on rent and didn’t help with chores. He almost had me convinced that communism could work until I realized how much of a hypocrite he was. That’s what happens when ur parents are rich and everything in life is handed to u.

[@LogicGated]

The why do you exist in society is a question that I have to answer more than I'd like.

[@manifestingideas]

I dunno people play a lot of video games

[@mikemikeetoo9094]

well if they don't want to die from starvation they will need to work, unless they are unable to work

[@aristotelismoulakakis4181]

From my experience living in a social democratic country, Greece, there is a huge difference in productivity between private and public sector employees. The first work very hard and they are the ones that really support the economy and the second are the lazy people that have only caused our country to be in this state. Take for example DEI our national power company, fully controlled by the state. Their workers have the most benefits out of all employees in the country, yet the company has been in severe debt even before the crisis, even though the power industry had been a monopoly for over 60 years.

[@agv-vt8co]

It also has something to do with the mindset a country has. With that said, it's not the workers' fault in the first place that they're so underperforming. The Greek system has told them that "Hey, you can be as lazy as you want. You'll get what you want anyway!" So for many of the Greek workers, their dream job basically is getting into the public sector, where they can have an income for doing... Nothing? It's not Socialism with it's public system that drives laziness. Exactly the opposite is the case. In Socialism, not only do you feel like you're part of a collective, but you de facto *are*. That urges you to contribute to your society, which also contributes to you. And you can't be lazy, cause the collective relies on you. It's a social and economic system that requires contribution from each and everyone. In Capitalism, it's like everyone is for him-/herself.

[@kirchunetwork1986]

@@agv-vt8co absence of competition is the root cause for inefficiency and substandard products. I have lived in India when socialism was practiced and allowed only government owned companies to manufacture certain products. This definitely created huge employment and social security as public sector companies once hired never used to fire their employees. This was needed when we got our independence as many of them had sacrificed their lives for the struggle for independence and hence could not complete their education and needed some sort of social security. But over the period of 40 years it created a huge bureaucracy and contributed to large scale corruption. At one point it used to take 3 years to get a telephone connection. In 1991 India liberalized its economy and the growth the world is seeing in India is largely due to that. I do like socialism as I benefited hugely by the way of getting low cost education and housing. But it cannot sustain for a longer period.