Why Would Anyone Work Under Socialism?

[@ivanopizzorno6906]

They got us so brainwashed to believe we are lazy and its our fault if we arent super successful lol its hilarious and extremely sad.

[@Clintsessentials]

Truth!

[@bsjddjk]

they're right coz majority of ppl don't live in edge or dare to increase it like self made millionaires do

[@antihero9443]

Communism with 1% super rich and Capitalism with 1% super rich are the same.

[@JoeJohnson-mk4qd]

with communism it at least wont feel like your fault but you still wont be super successful.

[@ivanopizzorno6906]

@@JoeJohnson-mk4qd i dont want our nation to ve communist

[@castleai9551]

During my gap year, I thought I'd just take a break and do nothing. That lasted for about a month, but then I felt a genuine urge to be productive. I enrolled on a part-time course and tried various jobs, all on my own terms as I could afford to live for a year without working. People do want to work, but on their own terms, not by coercion.

[@benrex7775]

Tell that to the loads of welfare receivers who could go back to work but just don't because it is easier. Or all the young men who rather play video games than get a job. Or all the Americans who don't go back to the job marked because they tasted not having to work for 2 years and staying home. I agree that some people do what you just described. But I'm curious how many are willing to do that if we make working voluntary for several generations. Especially when the people who are working have a 80% tax because they need to pay for all the people who don't work. By the way I would say if all work was voluntary then only the fun jobs would be occupied and the dirty but necessary jobs won't. Or were you trying out street cleaning, sewage work and roofer?

[@ScooterinAB]

"On my own terms" is such an important part of this.

[@stielimusterman3066]

I hate to break it to you, but you don‘t represent the whole population...

[@greenlemon3028]

@@benrex7775 There are wellfare-system that put a penalty on reentering the labour force.

[@benrex7775]

@@greenlemon3028 I know.

[@senjacorn8153]

In Australia our previous government during the election claimed unemployment was at an all time low, to achieve this statistic they counted people working more than one job for each job they worked

[@ariannasuen4061]

wow… that’s is shocking! Where did you hear this information? I’d like to give it a read in my free time and do some of my own research too.

[@Robustacap]

In Finland there at least used to be these mandatory "employment classes", and while on this course you're counted as employed. The courses are of course pretty useless, I even attended for Finnish classes, which are meant for immigrants but I thought maybe I could help or smthng instead of just wasting my time. But no, even that was like a really bad language 101 taught by some unemployment consutant, not a real Finnish teacher.

[@HCMORGI]

@@Robustacap same in germany. we also have work that pays 1€ - 1,5€ per hour for people that have been unemployed for a while. they count as employed then, of course.

[@Commander_ZiN]

The only reason they keep the employment rate high anyway is to put downward pressure on wages.

[@Commander_ZiN]

@@ariannasuen4061 they definitely counted casual workers as employed even though they were unable to get the hours they needed. The unemployement rate given by the Libs has never been that accurate, easy enough to google if you're interested.

[@3v1l73ddy]

As someone who is disabled and currently unable to work or study: yes, not working is hell and the longer you go not doing anything productive the more disconnected you become from those around you and from life itself. People want to work, just not under threat of death.

[@socire72]

but is there not any kind of work you can do? Especially since you can still type, could you not work from home? Asking this as a very slightly mentally disabled person, there’s only a few jobs I can’t work, I can work any physical job and 99% of the others so maybe my perspective doesn’t matter.

[@cursedcat6467]

Is your disability related to what happened to you in Australia and Sweden

[@mtamech535]

@@jaya-squishiehuntr019friend of mine, Dan, had polio as a child. His body was so twisted he couldn’t touch his face with either hand. Both hands were below his waist. Dude worked for a college doing web work and used straws to type with his mouth and mice made to fit his twisted hand. He lived alone and was fully functioning with aids that stopped by to help him with things he couldn’t do. Seriously, the guy refused to give up and would not live on government subsidies. Dude drove a car that he steered with a foot pad. You are FAR more abled than he was. And have given up and expect others to do things for you. Very sad.

[@mtamech535]

@@jaya-squishiehuntr019and so you don’t think I’m lying, look up Dan K i n d e r polio. (No spaces between k and r) It’ll take you to his obituary.

[@chibimarshmallow8808]

​@@mtamech535 Sounds like his needs were met and accommodated to the point that he could be pretty independant, that's great! That doesn't mean THIS persons needs are met or that they can also work like your friend. I'm sensing a lot of misdirected anger and an ableist bootstrappy view towards those on disability pensions. You're also making a lot of assumptions, like they're only pointing out that TYPING isn't necessarily a feasible job for disabled people just because it seems easy and non physical.

[@sig5750]

People have always misinterpreted the need for humans to keep themselves busy and engaged with others with the grueling grind of working an often useless (or easily automated) job. These two things were never the same, but capitalistic rhetoric drummed the wrong definition into our heads. In their eyes not working makes you lazy, even though you could be studying a language, improving a skill or travel the world with the time saved from doing menial chores.

[@emuriddle9364]

Exactly. And they also tailor the system at times. So even if you were doing something productive. You get little benefit from it. Sometimes, not even a roof over your head.

[@blueboozle774]

This is why we need to reset the universe

[@fuzzytop4746]

The issue with this form of “socialism” is that it’s impossible to get everyone to do the same exact work and you could in theory decide to not work and your “elected boss” won’t be able to do anything, leading others to get upset and decide to also not work leading to a highly unproductive economy leading to massive anarchy due to lack of product and resources.

[@MP-cv6if]

Yes

[@xavierjones6048]

@@blueboozle774 no just our government and culture

[@hebi3102]

My Grandpa and Grandma are retired. After about 3 weeks my Grandpa was already working on projects, he finally has time to do what makes him happy, Im proud of him for that. Hopefully in the future happiness from work wont be exclusive to retirement.

[@I8l]

u know what makes most ppl happy? screen time. Not productive screen time

[@hebi3102]

@@I8l he works with wood and makes model train sets. What makes him happy has nothing to do with screens.

[@cepahreinholt8710]

My dad and uncle are both "retired" and still do plenty of things including a good amount of volunteering in a cancer fighting charity. So yeah. Lots of people don't want to stay inactives or useless. And if some want's to I still think they should have a roof some food and healthcare. If "lazy people" that don't want to work just don't maybe it's not that bad of a thing. At least they are no longer getting in the way of those wanting to do something with their lives.

[@got80hd]

I work with the elderly population. One of my younger clients was in his mid 60s, worked his whole life and waited till retirement to have fun and as soon as he was eligible he got Parkinson’s disease. It ate away his brain and mentally he thinks he’s still 20 years old and in the military, and he thinks his closet is his bathroom. His poor wife is heartbroken :/ she told me to not wait till I’m older to enjoy life like they did but alas, the youth is wasted on the young.

[@rattlehead999]

That's not comparable to working to be productive for the benefit of other people. The overwhelming majority of people wouldn't work if they didn't have to.

[@frankenfurterr3432]

im disabled and sometimes i feel so useless not having a “real job” and as an artist im constantly learning new skills to be able to create things for profit but that is STILL looked down upon in society, people call you lazy for sleeping in, even tho you can still be doing things around the house or running errands :/ it’s exhausting

[@cubesolver2564]

I think it's worth noting that the "arts" (which is what you're in right now, and that's cool!) and "smarts" co-exist, and often work the best with one another. Hell, even the things you use to make your art is a constant culmination of the connection between artists and the people who make the tools and supplies that allow these artists to better express their ideas with more clarity and freedom. Those "real jobs" may be able to produce "useful" products, but not everything in life needs to be useful to be enjoyable, or have a meaningful impact on someone's life. People's lives are changed through inspiration and the emotions they experience from artwork they enjoy or have respect for. Painting, acting, dancing, photography, cinematography, all of these enrich our lives beyond utility. Not as easy with a product or machine, as not everybody may find technological advancements to be an emotional experience. I hope the perspective towards the arts change one day, especially for the people who don't realize this has already been core to society for YEARS, even in things like engineering or product design.

[@juiceoverflow]

Insane how people can say being an artist isn't a real job when art is the medium through which we observe our world, our history, and our place in the universe, without art our cultures lose so much of what makes them unique

[@thendsufi]

I’m in the same boat, my friend, except I’m an aspiring author.

[@619Joe182]

Now imagine trying to be an artist in a socialist system 😅

[@rimut230]

@@619Joe182 "socialism is when no iphone and art bad"

[@deneskun.8587]

Fun fact: universal basic income has been tried in many places and it proved that people living with their basic needs met haven't left the work force. Kurzgesagt made a great video about it.

[@abdirahmanidris290]

It means more tax for everyone though which will make people struggle

[@raeplaysval]

And people come along and say “oH dId yOu kNoW tHaT kUrzGesAgt iS FuNded bY tHe gAtes fOuNdAtioN tHeY’rE eViL”

[@mikehorne4053]

@@abdirahmanidris290 But for those who are enabled to seek employment and productivity rather than the bare necessities, such as is the case with the housing first homelessness approach in Finland, those people end up being able to contribute more to the tax system, lowering the burden for everyone else. Rising tides and all ships n all that.

[@abdirahmanidris290]

@@mikehorne4053 true. What we need is stricter welfare. That way the economy will recover since more will contribute and the people in need can get more welfare.

[@mikehorne4053]

@@abdirahmanidris290 depends on what you mean by "stricter wellfare," as studies have shown that with things like SNAP(food-stamps), far more people are under insured than over. Those we have currently are rarely giving enough to pull people out of the situations they are in and are rather just keeping them at the same level dependent on welfare.

[@TheGamingSyndrom]

I live in Europe and used my right to free education to get a pretty good degree, went to a government institution afterwards for work, however there was a 1 year evaluation period between sending my application and them accepting it; during that time i felt absolutly restless and bored out of my mind so i started doing a lot of volunteerwork. I'd honestly say if i wouldnt have to work for money, i'd still do my job because i believe it has meaning and purpose for the whole of society. I was in the US in 2020 and it honestly shocked me how many people worked in completly hostile work environments, slaving away with the only insentive being the green paper, often not even to have it but to get out of debt or avoid it.

[@TheGamingSyndrom]

@@darrennew8211 you do realize that the creator adresses exacly this comment in his video?

[@TheGamingSyndrom]

@@darrennew8211 then why are you making it?

[@TheGamingSyndrom]

@@darrennew8211 The reason it always falls apart in reality is because all of a sudden theres a CIA funded coupe de tat happening in a country where it works a little too well.

[@TheGamingSyndrom]

@@darrennew8211 because it wouldnt survive in a capitalist system that spends billions in lobbying to be ruinous. 2 Billions per Year to push legislation away from abortion so people get into debt when getting children they cant afford around 20 million by the NRA to push lrgislation away from gun control to make sure violent crimes stay high so they can throw expensive equipment at the police, build more prisons, lock down schools, all with taxpayer money the moment one opens "a socialist company" it will be bled out by any capitalist shitting on moral values and treating both employes and customers like shit to get a peiceadvantage and pricedump the socialist company out of the marketm

[@jacobc9221]

​@@TheGamingSyndromThank you for telling them that. Looks like they had enough sense to listen, with the deleted comments and all.

[@TheSpeep]

As a hobby blacksmith, I feel pretty confident saying that people, even lazy people, will still want to work, even if that work is physically demanding and comes with an inherent risk of bodily harm. Work can be fun, the problem is that a lot of work just sucks nowadays in ways it does not need to. Blacksmithing is hard, tricky, exhausting work, and my hands are covered in small scars from cuts, burns and other injuries. I dont make money off it either, I still do it, because I enjoy it.

[@TheSpeep]

@@user-hd8ej8yx9p I actually started out making wooden swords with my dads tools as a kid, before eventually moving on to steel. My dad's pretty into woodworking too, tho he prefers to stick to either old salvaged wood, or wood from trees we trimmed or cut down ourselves. I feel ya on the pricing tho, material wise a nice kitchen knife is pretty cheap, and good steel may be hard to find around here and only comes in pretty large quantities, but once you have some you can make a knife out of mabe €1-2 worth of steel, and have enough for dozens and dozens. Then you givee it a handle out of a nice bit of leftover wood thats basically free as well, so that only really leaves the gas to run the forge, cost wise. Time wise though, a nice but simple handmade chefs knife easily takes a good 10 hours or so start to finish, so if you wanted to sell it for even just an hourly wage, youd be looking at €100-200 for a single knife, most people wouldnt be willing to pay that much, and I honestly couldnt blame them. Not when stores sell decent quality knives for a fraction of that price. I do think socialism could press for or benefit from more automation in some areas, not all perhaps, but surely in some. I also do think capitalism is already pushing in a similar direction, albeit for different reasons. Ever since machines were incorporated in the manufacturing process, they have made it so the same job could be done faster and by fewer people, the problem being that rather than using that increase in efficiency to benefit the workers, since their work could now be completed in less time, it was used to benefit the owners, by using the same amount of time and workers to make more money instead, coninuously expanding production to keep up with other companies doing the same, at infinitum, rather than stopping once a necessary quota is attained. Specifically to eliminate certain types of jobs noone would want to do, but that comes with the elimination of the need for everyone to have an economically viable job, and instead being able to focus on less immediately lucrative, but more fulfilling and perhaps equally necessary jobs, such as the continuation of a number of more traditional crafts that could not compete in the current capitalist system.

[@zabaszatana6319]

@@mediabiassucks1803 Believe me, no one can survive more than a few months of such existence, even if it sounds tempting from the perspective of an overworked man.

[@Fitnessat40years]

Lmao go to Cuba or Venezuela and tell me how many people work. I'm Cuban I know

[@eneco3965]

>I dont make money off it either, I still do it, because I enjoy it That's called a hobby

[@imsmirk69]

@@Fitnessat40years Probably a Cuban American lol gusano wants his plantation back

[@Ar4tic_Blizzard1626]

i remember learning about need for cognition in psychology. i feel this can be applied here. some people have a low need for cognition. those people will filter into the easier jobs that some may consider boring. some have a high need for cognition. those people will filter into harder jobs that test their mental ability on a day to day basis. its just better than constantly having to choose between starving or freezing.

[@mar_7055]

I would like to know more on that. Would you please give me some key words to look up or mention papers if you have any?

[@Ar4tic_Blizzard1626]

@@mar_7055 im in college idk what these words mean yet ask me again in a few years

[@mikek7660]

Having a high need for cognition doesn't guarantee someone will aim at and qualify for a mentally challenging job. There are mensa members working as bar bouncers

[@Seajack64]

Wouldn't that instead indicate that qualifying for MENSA doesn't necessarily correlate to a high need for cognition?

[@madilynellington]

Have you ever worked in a bar? Just because something is low pay with little qualifications doesn’t mean it isn’t mentally challenging. Another example is Daycare/senior care work is minimum wage often requiring no experience or education. It’s Mentally challenging and a necessity.

[@hajde8128]

Had a friend whose father grew up as a young adult during Tito's Yugoslavia. Said he enjoyed a short work week, was able to modestly support himself and still afford a small vacation home in Yugoslavia that he'd sometimes enjoy going to with his friends, and was very discouraged after moving to the US because of the war in the 90s and saw he has to work more and despite this, his former lifestyle is no longer feasible.

[@cocochocookiedough]

Yes, Yugoslavia was a good place to live. That's why foreign powers broke it up. According to Michael Parenti.

[@TheTeodorsoldierabvb]

My grandfather, although Bulgarian, also grew up in Yugoslavia. In the absolute poorest area of all of Yugoslavia. He never even had a degree in anything, was a truck driver almost for life. Very good memories.

[@FreddyNjuakom]

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[@sachafriderich3063]

My Grandparents also lived in yugoslavia, (now slovenia), they say all the time how everything was cheaper, healthcare was functional, they built their home at the age of 25, there was less hate towards the bosniacs, and in general they have all these realy cool anecdotes where you realy see they miss those times and wonder if you're gonna think of your youth in the same way at their age, which is likely.

[@outbackgearforu]

Yet Tito was a dictator,and the moment his heavy hand of control was removed the country fell into one of the worst civil wars in history

[@Heyoka86]

If the reasons people go to work are negative ones such as fear (of homelessness, ruin, etc.), instead of positive ones (ie wanting more money to do x and y), the society that results will be hellish.

[@kristinayordanova365]

This is actually such a great point! I completely agree.

[@Desocupad0]

For people that own these person's production, it would.

[@tacomeme429]

We can already see those effects

[@The0Stroy]

will be? is.

[@MattyMack]

If there are no negatives to stopping why would anyone ever continue?

[@martianpudding9522]

Personally I think the most compelling argument for socialism is that it's already how we tend to instinctively organize on small scales. For example within a household chores are divided according to each person's age, time and ability, and usually mostly without any financial incentives. If a friend or family needed urgent help with something like childcare, nursing if they are sick or even housing if they become homeless, we would think of it as a decent thing to do to help them in what way we could, and we wouldn't make it into a transaction.

[@emuriddle9364]

Which gets results. Unlike a competitive or egoist system. We didn't make progress, when our Ancient ancestors fought over a pond for water. But that changed, when they built the first Aqueducts. Which gave everyone access to Running Water.

[@BlueScreenCorp]

The people making the laws and running the economy likely don't experience this at home, a lot of older men expect to enforce the "traditional" gender roles of the 1950s-1970s. For everyday people who can't afford house keepers and are younger than 80 this is the truth but for the demons that are trying their best to crumble the foundations of society its simply not the case.

[@Anonymous-tj8xm]

The issue is that this only works on a small scale. In your family home, you know and respect everyone. In a country of millions of people your labor is unlikely to have, really any impact on anyone. At that point we get lazy

[@nathanmcbow158]

A fair point, the main reason this has not gone large scale is because it would cost the higher ups their fortunes.

[@dani.lepore9410]

@@Anonymous-tj8xm you just build everything as a tree, with every branch having connections to affect the whole. Like, you already have local representation right? It's just a matter of making it better

[@robertmcdonnold3038]

I retired a couple of years ago. I worked for about 55 years. The first month or so of retirement was tough. Bored out of my mind. I finally came to grips that I didn't have to do something everyday all day long. That's what I did before retirement it's easier now, if I have something to do I take care of it but I don't rush. I've learned how to take breaks and know that it's OK. People will always want to do something. Helping your neighbors is a good start. Thanks Bob

[@Bowiiihowdy]

Always good to have a hobby or a passion for something for retirement. Some people without that end up in an early grave

[@shebeefingonmystroganoff]

thank you bob ❤ hope u have a happy and fulfilling retirement! enjoy it to your fullest :)

[@rotozeev]

Seems this channel is a leftist propaganda for potential "useful idiots" in the West. For people who don't know how attempt to build socialism worked in USSR. For example, instead of robots USSR has "kolchozniks" (workers on collective farms, who live in villages) and they were without passports until 70s. Like slaves. They had to ask permit to visit city or to move from their village.

[@eliascommentonly4652]

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[@Danuxsy]

you are healing from the trauma that is capitalism, the idea that work is the purpose of life which it certainly won't be in a future dominated by AI & Machines.

[@machfassett5749]

Something that a lot of people don't get is that people actively WANT to work. I've talked to and heard of people whose dream jobs were: garbage truck, bus driver, street clean-up, school janitor (and trust me, as someone who goes into men's bathrooms and had experience in highschool boy's bathrooms, that one is certainly up there on stereotypically "gross" jobs), and probably more that I can't think of right now. I'm disabled. I want to work. Partially because of money, partially because it's boring being disabled--I can't really do a lot! I spend a lot of my time writing stories and making art, but that's not fully fulfilling, especially on days where creativity and motivation are low since I get burned out very easily. If I could have a job, particularly something menial that doesn't require a lot of thinking (think something like sorting objects, making the same thing over and over, really just anything super repetitive that doesn't require standing or walking), I would jump at it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, there are two issues with that: 1) Employers don't want to hire disabled people, especially visibly disabled people, as they believe us to be less capable than abled people in everything regardless of what the actual disability is. 2) That type of work isn't something I can easily find in my area, and I don't have access to anything that might give me better chances such as a higher level of education due to financial things. If I, someone in constant, 24/7 pain that can be nearly anywhere in the body (typically joints and their surroundings--and guess what, there's joints nearly everywhere in the body) who struggles to walk on a good day and is a full-time mobility aid user, want to work, then you can probably bet that most people want to work, even if that work is something simple and menial and "boring". Humans weren't built to do nothing all the time.

[@KingAntDaProphet]

Maybe start a garden and donate the proceeds

[@koc988]

@@KingAntDaProphet Russian Troll

[@ottomanpapyrus9365]

Did u get mowed down by a truck?

[@machfassett5749]

@@ottomanpapyrus9365 Hey, honestly, I'd like to know: What exactly made you think this is something that's okay or appropriate in any way to ask a complete stranger?

[@cmumma13]

Interesting, all of my visually impaired friends or straight up totally blind friends own their own businesses. I am also disabled and in pain 24/7 to the point I have a hard time walking without assistance some days. I have never let it stop me from working or doing anything I really want to do.

[@CourtneyVarner]

I spent two years unemployed. The only way I kept semi-sane was building a website, and doing comic, tv show, games, and movie reviews with a set schedule. All while teaching myself visual effects and editing. People want to do "work", we want to build, create, help others. I could have been a doctor if I would have been able to go to medical school. Not for the money, but because it was something I'm interested in and want to help.

[@flash_flood_area]

I always say, look at what almost everyone does in their spare time: crafts and hobbies, improving their living spaces and communities, learning about new subjects and developing new skills, maintaining healthy relationships, caring for plants and animals, caring for the vulnerable members of society, mentoring, and teaching skills to children. We don't need the carrot and whip of capitalism to do those things, most of us do them anyway

[@KickinRadTopHat]

Similar experience here. Spent the better part of two years on unemployment due to covid and after the first week or two of veging out and enjoying the time off I got restless and started gardening. Ended up developing into a passionate hobby that taught me a lot of practical skills, and ive gotten good enough at growing food to offset some grocery store costs. Its a shame i cant focus as much energy on it now that im back at work.

[@CourtneyVarner]

@@KickinRadTopHat I lost my job due to a company taking over the newspaper I worked at and they didn't need another graphic designer. It was in 2010. The same day my contract expired it was my son's first birthday. If it wasn't for my wife being able to find retail work wherever, I don't know how we would have survived. Ended up living in a house owned by a friend's mom, just paying utilities. After a year and a half of not being able to find a job because of the recession and that I have little to no retail experience, decided to move across the country to California. That was 10 years ago and now I've bought a house and things are stable. A lot of people take this story as some sort of "american dream" story, but I just don't want anyone else to have to go through that.

[@bryanpeifer597]

Courtney, I totally understand the unemployment. In 2004 I was let go from Chase Bank and spent 18 months either unemployed or extremely underemployed working temp jobs. We had to go into bankruptcy just to survive. and having a family the stress was bad for all of us. Ever since then I've had a lot of anxiety from that experience because you know the employers in this country have all the power and currently there is nothing we can do as workers.

[@kimberlynndickens9640]

And I could have played in the NBA but I'm not 6'8". I could have been the president, I could have been Elon Musk. You were unemployed because you chose to be, individuals breeds creativity and you became creative, because you had the freedom to do so. Feel blessed you are alive in a country that gives you the opportunity to create. Or would you rather be told this is what you are going to do, or e a bum or in a working camp.

[@embyratwood690]

I’ve been disabled for basically my whole working life. It’s maddening how little I can do. Unfortunately with my disability I’ve very limited in what I can do to pass time. I swear sitting in front of a screen all day is a special kind of nightmare after years of doing nothing else. I give full thanks to my best friend and my boyfriend for keeping me going.

[@ChineduOpara]

Condolences😔

[@embyratwood690]

@@jan-lukas it’s both, unfortunately. I have severe mental health issues alongside crippling physical health problems. I tried taking up knitting but it’s hard to stay consistent with it.

[@goransvraka3171]

i currently sit in forent of my screen all day and am not disabled

[@ChineduOpara]

@@goransvraka3171 I do same. I am mentally unwell. Most nights I pray for a quick death.

[@ademali8199]

Sorry which you the very best

[@doogie1350]

I abhor work, but three weeks unemployed and I'll start going insane, fix every single thing that is even slightly broken in my home and be okay for a couple more weeks, at which point I'll start looking for work. It's not the work itself that's disgusting, it's the way employers demand that we work, sitting at your desk even though your work is long done, unable to go home because you need to sit through the remaining 4 hours.

[@Catthepunk]

This.

[@lordsharshabeel]

“even though your work is long done” No work is ever done. That’s why you’re a loser that needs a boss to tell you what to do. You have no imagination and you can’t self manage. Capitalism does a decent job of making people like you marginally productive.

[@alishainc]

I think it would be amazing if we could spend more time to explore things we love. There would be so many more advances and so much more creativity. How you framed this concept was so thought provoking. I've always felt like we work to benefit the ones at the top but you verbalized it better than I could ever.

[@SanFrantixXx]

You could always stay your own business

[@darrionwhitfield46]

Wayyyyy easier said then done

[@LittleHobbit13]

They made this exact point on The Orville. A person from a 21st century Earth-mirroring planet asks "if you have everything you need provided, why does anyone work?" And the response from the crew is essentially "People still want to work, but now the point of work is about personal growth and bettering yourself, not making ends meet. Being the best waiter you can be is equally as acceptable as being the best doctor you can be, or even doing historic research just because you love it, as long as what you're doing is beneficial to society or your own growth."

[@hainleysimpson1507]

We do work to benefit those at the top. They don't want more advances and creativity, that's a threat to them because they know they cannot compete.

[@007dalal]

But define what u actually love. Normally people love rhe result not the process.

[@DukeSloth]

I've noticed some interesting examples on KZbin specifically that I always think about when this topic is brought up: People here volunteer their free time to do things like making timestamps for a video or - when it was still possible - submitting subtitles in different languages. There's zero financial profit for them in this and the only reward (if any) is some recognition. Still, we're seeing so many people do these relatively dull activities on a regular basis, potentially while also working a paid job.

[@karaisalesbian]

same thing with modders for games

[@joshuasims5421]

Huge libraries of open source software and coding libraries are maintained for free by volunteers. They are often supported in this endeavor by employers, true. But if they didn't do the open source work, they'd still have jobs. I think most of them do it because it's valuable, interesting and fulfilling.

[@KeithBoehler]

@@joshuasims5421 FOSS is very under rated in the common mind. It is software with the intent of making the world better and does not violate your privacy.

[@nathanmcbow158]

I volunteer work for a climate group here in Sweden, I believe in my work and I believe there are ways to save the climate that are not just achievable but necessary. What do I get in return? My picture in the local paper with my quotes and the option to visit the rest of the climate workers for a small dinner once a year, that´s it. Yet I am still doing the work in my spare time.

[@amycox5733]

Fanfic. Just. Fanfic. How many million of works are published on various websites. And don’t say it’s all trash, because some of the works I read over the years were GOOD! Better than the source material! Better than the published books I see! Admittedly some of it’s bad, but still. It’s all done for free, with no motive other than showing appreciation for the source material, and possibly getting some views and comments.

[@StaticCollapse]

Let's not forget that capitalists use our jobless populations as another means of material coercion. Having a large labor pool of desperate people keeps our wages down!

[@Praisethesunson]

It also help extract more wealth out of the wage slaves. Since those slaves can see what happens if they don't abide their exploitation.

[@fuzzytop4746]

No they don’t the absolute vast majority of the homeless can’t work they either have horrible mental issues making them highly unproductive or addicted to something that also makes them highly unproductive

[@Soullessknight1999]

@@fuzzytop4746 You haven’t met many homeless people, huh?

[@LordKnightcon]

@@fuzzytop4746 Yeah, no that's absolutely false. The vast majority of homeless people do have jobs. They would be part of the "underemployed" that this video talked about, in that their jobs don't pay enough money to allow them to acquire a residence. Poverty under capitalism is designed to keep you trapped and make it almost impossible to escape on your own.

[@elrennot]

I see a lot of comments saying 'well, who's gonna work at bad and boring jobs?' Me! I'm educated and mostly active, but not ambitious. I love menial boring work with no creativity, because it gives me time to concentrate anf sooth my anxiety. I worked a lot of 'undesired' work not because of money, but because it made me calm and collected, whereas even my beloved hobby can stress me so much I loose my mind not in a good way. There's going to be people to work there, if you think how diverse we are as people. Also, the best way to do it - divide it in smaller chunks of work, then there's gonna be even more people willing to be helpful to their community in this 'unwanted' positions. Some of us willingly travel the country to clean beaches and forests, some (even on YouYube) love cleaning driveways and rugs, some help declutter other's home for free. WE ARE HERE.

[@andrewgreeb916]

So you willingly want to be a slave for the necessity of the system, instead of enjoying a large salary for picking a field that less people want to do?

[@elrennot]

@@andrewgreeb916 well, it seems you have a sore spot with 'slave' thing. We all are slaves of system, don't worry :) And who is to say that 'bad jobs' should be paid just a little? If we go with the flow 'everyone has enough to live comfortably', I would not be in need of large salary. There is a lot of low maintanence people who finds joy in things other than what money provide. Those who wants yachts can go and save the world, I guess.

[@Bengiamino]

Yeah but so you expect anyone to do the really gross jobs like cleaning out sewers? But seriously no one would do that in socialism.

[@janna1434]

also: work that is the least liked to be done should be paid much better and, as you said, be divided into smaller pieces. I think if you earned quite a bit with only few hours of cleaning, quite some people would appreciate that! Shitty job, but if i have to work less hours in it and it still pays...that's amazing for some people. But no slavery should happen anymore. It sucks cause it could be so much better all of this. We have the potential to built good working systems but we don't. We are out of balance for so long already. Patriarchy/Capitalist Ideology caused us to be quite stupid. Stupid as the opposite of intelligent, and intelligent in the meaning of a well-functioning, effective and of course sustainable system of any sort. And I even think that in this definition social/moral values should already be inherent.

[@blove142]

and capitalism actually allows the individual to CHOOSE, rather than the state.

[@w3vil233]

This is 7 months old at this point but. I think honestly this is the best breakdown I've heard by someone who generally isn't overtly passionate in an offputting way that most people on the far left or far right are. top of that you brought up how it doesn't need to be perfect and it has plenty of problems but those can be amended. this is pretty good.

[@trenhen4311]

Most leftists and even far leftists are pretty calm and concise. Sure there’s nut jobs here and there but u definitely see more sane far left people when compared to ppl on the far right. When your beliefs are rooted in hating marginalized groups and wanting society to regress it’s hard to come across as sane.

[@tripaga]

This is actually a very biased video and I’m not anti communist or socialist for that matter, the main problem that the soviet workforce faced was the lack of incentive, they had to keep moving people to work in factories and state farms because job wasn’t being done due to a lack of incentive, why work hard when you’re going to make the same amount of money anyway? They needed twice the people for a job compared to the west. Then they tried to implement an incentives program for managers and it would still result in bad outcomes because if they did too well then the government would ask for more output to get the benefits of the incentives program. I would really want a working model for communism or socialism but unfortunately i just don’t see any way of it actually happening.

[@w3vil233]

@@tripaga Yeah you make an excellent point. I concur with what you said, now reading back Idk what I was on, I guess I was a lil younger mentally 5 months ago

[@jacobc9221]

​@@tripagaSo we'd need to be smart with dividing resources and keeping work efficient. For dividing resources among the people, we should listen to who knows their needs the best: the people For keeping work efficient, we can use technology such as machines and AI, then train humans to take care of issues that arise. More industry specific tech, such as fertilizer in agriculture, helps a lot, too. Especially with how education has been evolving recently, also aided by technology. If we made jobs comfortable enough and efficient enough, we definitely pass that "better than capitalism" threshold. Even if we can't for some reason, capitalism is so fucked up that we need to at least explore our options.

[@tripaga]

@@jacobc9221 i know capitalism is fucked up and needs to be ditched, I’m sick of it as well, but for something new not for something tested and failed, matter of fact is you can’t depend on trusting that people will do what is right, it’s been proven again and again they will not. I agree with the ai etc, but you can’t depend on the people deciding how to divide the resources because guess what they all will try to get as much as they can, not as much as they need.

[@Cr3zyTom]

I'm glad I live in a country that provides basic needs, and within Europe there is a push towards shorter work weeks. Some adapt a 4 day work week others reduce the time each day. And I believe it can be done correctly

[@Hariukin]

@adsaa wat?

[@vatu]

Shorter weeks? In germany our politicians are discussing a 42 hour week.

[@Goober-r8b]

@@vatu i mean... germany is said to be the most capitalist country in Europe sooo.....

[@dogalrorn9921]

@@Goober-r8b I can confirm that.

[@appleicatpromax7069]

"I got mine, so fuck y'all." Did you earn your European life or were you born into it?

[@bluepsiongamer4909]

I feel like people who say "Why would anyone work" have never actually been without work for an extended amount of time. I'm on disability and can't hold down a job because of cycles of compete disability. Suicidal ideation and misery peaks if I'm able to do useful work and don't. I clean for everyone in the house, cook, run a garden, keep animals, have multiple hobbies and am always looking for ways to give back and prove to be useful. My view towards tedious tasks have changed. Often I feel grateful I'm able to do something for someone, rather then feeling exhaustion and burnout. Never met anyone different. It takes extreme illness (low functioning addiction being counted here) for someone to give up wanting to give back or at least improve things for themselves.

[@Anastaecia]

I didn't even watch the vid, but the overall idea is just dumb. If you want to survive, you have to do the work of collecting food for yourself. Pretty simple. Also what is simple is regardless of the economic/political/societal plan a group of people lives under, they all have the necessities of survival, which again, requires work.

[@andrewgreeb916]

If you don't need to work to survive then why work? Why not just take the government checks and live on the street? Why not just take drugs all day and sleep on a bench?

[@Jay-kc2pm]

@@andrewgreeb916 Watch the video. He answers this exact question.

[@connorgrynol9021]

@@andrewgreeb916 You've obviously never been unemployed for an extended period of time. It's not as nice as you're trying to paint it.

[@jaredleemease]

Simply existing is value enough in and of itself. No measurable value exists to express your importance.

[@AzureTheAvian]

I was talking to my friend about socialism a while ago, telling them about how I was a socialist. They asked this very question, and thought that nobody would work without the cash incentive. I think a major player in keeping people under capitalism is a lack of faith in humanity. In order to get people on our side, we need to prove to them that people can be good just for the sake of being good to one another. If anything, capitalism is what turns people against one another. Socialism would bring us together once more.

[@sturgoncomp07]

Humans are useless

[@VD-cc4hx]

if the government paid you when you got any job, then people would be incentivized to not be homeless. homeless people get donations at a higher rate than some fast food workers.

[@jaayro]

@@sturgoncomp07 true or not, we've been here, are here, and will continue to be here. we can all experience good and bad emotion, so why not, when we have no choice but to exist, make it pleasant for each other?

[@TheJadedJames]

This question drives me crazy. How many retired people work for no other reason than to stay active? People are always going to want to do things! But we can have a system where we aren't all functionally enslaved to banks. Why should the threat of dying in the elements be the thing that keeps you in that crappy fast food job? Why should any job be crappy? Why can't all labor be dignified and compensate people fairly? AAAARRRHHHHGGGG

[@xBox360BENUTZER]

@@TheJadedJames Work to stay active? No, most of them work because they need the money...

[@thedutchgamelife6264]

i took a break from studying for a year, you know how hard it is to find a job when everyone wants you to have some sort of high degree?! im lucky with parents who run their own business and by that got a job, but my original plan wasn't even to work here in first place. the problem isn't that people 'dont want to work', its that companies are unrealistic with their demands

[@Jake-mi3bj]

Exactly and alot of capitalist employers will not pay the wage to match the cost of your degree to pay it off (the degree they want) and also will not pay you enough to survive the basics of living such as for food, rent, and utilities. At that point also forget owning a house as they also jack up the price to over double and triple along with your rent as they chastise you that "cause your not affording it, you are lazy. You better work those meaningless 80hrs a week to barley afford it and make us profits!" Such a scam

[@amekamui_]

@@anjolatope-babalola2338 you're literally saying "it's fine to gatekeep education with GIANT debts". What's the difference between this kind of logic and in feudalism, where only the nobles could be educated? Seriously, it's like seeing a serf bootlicking the king, the only difference now is that the "kings" are the CEOs that take all the profit and give employees the bare minimum I thought education was the great equalizer to bring people at the same level regardless of their origins but for you it's literally, if you're wealthy it's ok if you're poor you should stay ignorant and exploited. I just hope you're 14

[@cmumma13]

@@Jake-mi3bj To expect to get a wage that someone else that has experience is isn’t logical. When you are starting out you start at the bottom of your profession and work your way up. It is no different then the old guilds and the original unions who had apprentices, journeymen and masters. I have been a blue collar worker all my life. I have sacrificed and saved do I could own my own home and a vacation home. I have never worked any place that had a union and when one came in, I quit. To say you can’t make a living is just bs. College students don’t need to take huge loans to get their degree. I didn’t and several other people I know also never took out loans. The ones that did took out more money then was needed and lived high on the hog off that extra money. Well if you play you are going to pay.

[@RobMusik]

@@cmumma13bro you old times change

[@lourainevillalon3852]

this! well, i guess the common sense is that if you are asking for a high demand from your employees, then you should be able to pay within the demand. what i hate is how they expect so high from us yet with too little pay. it's outraging how they even have the audacity to ask us so much without rewarding us accordingly. rewards can mean different to different employees. this could mean a higher salary, better benefits, more paid time offs, shorter work hours/weeks. any or all that would motivate us to put up with their high demands, but most companies aren't that sensible enough to even meet at least one reward, it's basically paid slavery at this point. you can't say no to them or you will starve

[@markel03-c8j]

As a Cuban myself I can say with absolute confidence that things aren't like you said, sure, we have a lot of doctors, and a good part of them are doctors because they like the job, but, is well-known in the country that being a doctor is one of the easiest ways to get out of the country even if it's just for a couple of years, also, you can earn a lot of money even though the government keeps around 80℅ of the money other countries pay for our doctors. Also, the health system in Cuba is shit, you need to get the materials necessary for the surgery yourself, gloves, anesthesia, the scalpel, everything; there's no medicine, the hospitals don't have the proper conditions, etc, etc.

[@HiramJuega]

estas olvidando que hay un puto bloqueo en cuba

[@markel03-c8j]

@@HiramJuega Efectivamente pero el bloqueo ni afecta tanto como te hace creer Cuba ni tan poco como dice USA. Ejemplo, Cuba, una isla, no hay pescado para la gente normal, es difícil encontrarlo y siempre es carísimo, en cambio, en los hoteles sobra, ahora dime, el bloqueo prohíbe a Cuba pescar en sus propias aguas y dárselo a sus ciudadanos? Los niños dejan de recibir leche a los 7 años, hay una escasez enorme de alimentos, la generación de electricidad es horrible, el estado reprime hasta el más mínimo indicio de protesta, no puedes elegir a tus gobernantes, etc. Así que sí, creo que el comunismo o socialismo no funcionan

[@insankamil2909]

Where is the other money go?

[@Morebullets315]

I'm Vietnamese , Cuba health system same like Vietnam (Maybe worster than Cuba) . But At least, Cuban have better doctors.

[@justinsane7832]

you can't teach this kind of stuff to the posh white community that screams socialism bc they don't want to get off their video games. they have zero clue on how the real world works.

[@alexgroot2508]

"It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better." Thats a powerful phrase to remember. Every time you describe to someone how socialism would work, someone always chimes in that its utopian, that it sounds 'too good to be true'. I think this is the best answer to that. We're not looking to make a perfect world, we're looking to build a better one.

[@silasbishop3055]

None of this sounds better. Our quality of life would fall quickly. There is a reason no society has succeeded under a socialist system. The Soviets used death and labor camps to coerce people.

[@KickinRadTopHat]

The accusation that the desire for socialism is utopian is always funny to me for two reasons: 1. Marx and Engles pretty explicitly rejected utopian thought as a serious form of analysis throughout their work 2. Even if serious socialist thinkers did base their work on utopian fantasy instead of scientific analysis, is having a utopian vision for the future supposed to be a bad thing? Are we just supposed to think that everything has to be shitty forever? Sounds like a terrible worldview, not interested.

[@Hubcool367]

@@KickinRadTopHat "A map of the world that does not include Utopia is not worth even glancing at, for it leaves out the one country at which Humanity is always landing. And when Humanity lands there, it looks out, and, seeing a better country, sets sail. Progress is the realisation of Utopias." - Oscar Wilde

[@MrArthoz]

@PGH Engineer the problem is poverty and resource scarcity. When all is aplenty and everyone have more than enough, any system of governance or social rule is perfect. However we are now going towards an era of scarcity and multi-polar world power...drying reservoir in Los Angeles and Texas, rivers drying up all over the world like in Italy Po valley, Germany, Pakistan, the two rivers of Iraq, Jordan-Israel, Nile, South Africa, Northern China, Indochina, India...then the scarcity of finite natural resources like oil, gas, minerals, fertilizer...loss of arable soil fertility...the list goes on and on...meanwhile human population grows on and our increasing standard of living demands ever more resources per person. Sure you can give all your best wishes for others to follow their way of life but once each began to grab at resources for their own need and hoarding it out of fearful being wasted by others greed...the violence will start beyond any doubt. It is not the question of if, it is the question of when. Even communist China government have done social studies and came to the conclusion that their society now is suffering from the disease of: infinite desire over finite resources...greed. We could not avoid it any longer...unless you are willing to live with lower standard of living. But if others refused and still wasteful of our scarce resources, are you going to sit doing nothing, endure your hardship whilst others enjoy their wasteful selfish ways? Believe me...today you are asking "why force it on me?" Tomorrow the logic will be "why are we not enforcing it?". Questions like seat belts, solar power, nuclear, recycling, smoking, organic food, pesticides, chemical fertilizers, same sex marriage, leaded fuel, etc. You see, in the end there will be violence, not because "our way is better" but because "their way endangers us...WE MUST ENFORCE OUR WAYS UPON THEM!". Remember "freedom", "capitalism" and "democracy"? You are already living in this nightmare...only it has yet to directly visit upon your personally.

[@chickenbroski99]

Working to build a better one while ignoring the 100 years of history and mass murder as a result of it already. If you succeed in your increasingly socialist world you will be skinned alive before 2030

[@Clintsessentials]

I hate the way we treat each other over social standing. And why would people work under this system whereby people can't afford basic apartments???

[@brentbottoms2876]

To not die and can't get to a better one alone

[@RadicalizedRadical]

Yeah make the goverment stay away from you and lower the taxes. This isnt capitalism lmao

[@gerritvalkering1068]

the basic motivator is fear. People work, and work hard under horrible conditions for very little pay, because they're constantly reminded that it could be worse, that there are people who have it worse, and that it only takes a tiny bit of bad luck, and that could be them. The people who really have it that bad, who can't afford food, a house, basic medication for a life-threatening illness (insulin, for example)... That's collateral damage and acceptable as long as the system as a whole keeps going.

[@Borgia5119]

It is not the fault of captalism that people cannot buy apartments... Do you know what inflation is or why the government needs it to increase to sustain their debt? Or that inflation exists under socialism too and historically always leads to unlivable conditions?

[@atanaZion]

@@Borgia5119 If the system don't work it is literally their fault, tf you mean?

[@viridiansexperimentchannel711]

At this point I'm conflicted between "find another country to live in" and "keep trying to improve conditions where myself and most of my family are."

[@MARTISTICTENDENCIES]

Are there countries that live by the system explained in the video?

[@LOP4795]

I'll give you a list of socialist countries you can go to: China, Cuba, North Korea, Laos, Vietnam. All have a wonderful culture. You are free to speak your mind whenever you'd like about whatever topic you like. Let me know how it is!

[@Jakub680]

@@LOP4795Great I was born in Holguin Cuba so I’m the right man to speak to it sucks and everyone wants to leave. No future for young people yay. By the way no I don’t live in Cuba anymore

[@noveled_1]

@@Jakub680 yeah, i wonder why. certainly not the brutal economic sanctions the US places on Cuba. though corruption certainly is an issue i've heard, and im sure that contributes a meaningful amount, it still is the sanctions that matter infinitely more. also, y'all compare Cuba and these other socialist countries to the US. try comparing Cuba, with little homelessness and decent free medical care to the average worker's life in Honduras, or Nicaragua, etc. I have friends who came from other LatAm countries, it doesnt sound great over there! to them, Cuba seems like a dream. the US is an imperialist captialist state that has exploited the world's working class all over. it can not, and should not, be compared to a tiny island undergoing some of the most brutal economic sanctions that all countries bar the US and Isnotreal seem to detest, according to UN votes.

[@Jakub680]

@@noveled_1 We have to send my family money all the time to Cuba. Cuba is a shithole, the nature is great but the government no

[@PrettyPrincess9609]

My last job was very toxic and I was simply working to make someone else rich and that’s it. The patients needs didn’t matter to the company, all that mattered was how many cases I could resolve or close. They also constantly micro managed us and threatened to fire us everyday. Also the health care industry in general is toxic. Now I’m at working at a company in a different career that I enjoy that cares about customers as well as their employees. I also get paid more than I ever did at my last job, I can work remote anywhere from my computer, I get a raise based on my performance, and I finally feel heard.

[@fuzzytop4746]

Good for you some jobs just suck at least you had the proper value that you were able to hold another employers attention

[@kaiwa7]

What kind of job do you have now? im interrested

[@Hubcool367]

What's your new job/career? You can't describe a miraculous dream job that has the potential to do what most other jobs can't and just keep it all for yourself, that's cruel lol

[@thegoodspringguy]

I'm happy for you but this very rarely happens. For most people, jobs are equally good/awful so they wouldn't have this choice under capitalism.

[@bryanpeifer597]

I'm glad to see someone else post about the abusive work conditions which increasingly have become common place under capitalism after the unions fought for better conditions. I work tech support for a software company and when COVID started I started working from home. At least the stress of being exposed to the owner's abusiveness has been somewhat alleviated.

[@Smonserratm]

"Why would anyone work then?" Yes, that's the point. We're trying to get rid of work, but meanwhile we would have to work to cover necessities and develop technology to improve our lives and relieve us from more work. Working so our working hours could be further reduced. Because then (or maybe even now) working 4 hours/day would be enough to live as comfortably as today's standards. There are millions of hours spent every year on useless jobs. Then there are millions of people without a job. Just the fact of distributing less hours of work between more people should be enough to reduce the working hours.

[@trashcatlinol]

If only it were easier to convince people that means paying more for those fewer hours of work. First thing they cut after your hours is your wage.

[@fuzzytop4746]

So much off your argument is wrong but straight up if everyone worked 4 hours a day 5 days a week society would collapse. Their would be a major staff shortage leading to business only being open for short periods of time and with much less goods being made and I’m only talking about the cut in hours not even socialism

[@eddie-roo]

@@fuzzytop4746 hun, have you ever heard of rotating shifts? There is currently more people than jobs, you could easily just rotate the personal every 4 hours.Also, with many jobs being automated, the pool of potential workers would inevitably grow. Having an 8 hour work day doesn’t mean everything is open just for 8 hours. Also, the less time you work, the more productive your overall time working becomes.

[@fuzzytop4746]

@@eddie-roo yes I’ve heard of 2 hour shifts but no one wants them and the whole automation thing needs a ton of work and innovation to actually be completed with this it will leave a huge work inequality gap from those working simple easy jobs to those working extremely hard jobs

[@fuzzytop4746]

@@eddie-roo idk my first hour of work is usually ass but I guess so is my last but doesn’t matter if it’s my 6th hour or 9th

[@bethourekt6361]

It's funny when people accuse socialism and/or communism of being "too idealistic" to realistically work in our world. As if the "trickle down" bullshit, the hope you luck out and become a millionaire, the notion that minimum wage is enough for people to get by on, as if hoping billionaires have our best interest in mind, and all the other usual horseshit, isn't a non-functioning fantasy itself.

[@manovrsb]

Reason why capitalism excels is less paperwork. You have an idea , you can try to get funding from private companies to carry out plans , get loans and sell some of your stick to attract wealthy investors. Good luck with idea in socialism as you cannot get higher loans to carry out your projects and have to rely on cheap low quality material that could not make your invention live up to it's full potential .

[@nadie8093]

Nobody ever has said they hope billionaires have anyones best interest in mind. That just shows you dont understand capitalism. The whole point of capitalism is that if everyone is working towards their best interests, taking advantage of people becomes imposible because they are also looking out for themselves

[@timothekandel3368]

@@manovrsb who said you cannot get higher loans ? if your idea could benefit to everyone why couldnt you get a loan in socialism ?

[@nicmainville9954]

They were brainwashed

[@JL-tm3rc]

haha you want socialism at work go to an indian reservation where the government decides and manges everything for the indians. Many south vietnamese migrants who came to america with nothing became successful after a generation with little government support.

[@hoodiesticks]

Me and my brother were both lucky enough to take a year off during the pandemic. And we felt no urge to work. We caught up on some old shows, played games, and just generally enjoyed media. It was fun, but none of it was very productive. We probably would've kept up like that for a very long time if our bank accounts hadn't gotten low. I'm sure some people might feel the urge to work without external motivation, but you can't assume that of an entire population, and you can't assume that every job will have enough people motivated to do it to the level that society needs. Some people are perfectly fine chilling on the couch.

[@lecoureurdesbois86]

Literally half of my family is on "social help" because they pretend they can't work. No one is going to make me believe people would work if not forced to.

[@cubesolver2564]

@@lecoureurdesbois86 I can work, but knowing that the wages I will likely receive aren't even going to be enough to comfortably pay rent (or even pay it at all) makes me not want to work. Now, if me working meant I could have enough income left over to reasonably save up for something nice in the future, like a new game or console? Now you have my attention.

[@TryinaD]

That’s probably because you were burnt out. Trust me you’d feel different when waiting longer

[@NoahRamseysGhost]

This rings so true in my opinion. I remember working at a capitalist restaurant - it felt miserable and alienating. But that same exact summer, I worked at a blueberry patch as a picker. I got up at 6:00 AM, each morning and it was only a 10 min walk. It was worker owned, and the entire community loved visiting and picking blueberries. It felt so much better to be working and coordinating with my co-workers where we all made more money and we could put some aside to afford other things like expansion, decoration, and stuff. It just felt so much better and meaningful to actually have input in my business and vote on its future. Best job i’ve ever worked, and it’s not even close.

[@silasbishop3055]

Which is possible due to capitalism.

[@jimmytimmy3680]

Exactly, there should be more co-ops where everyone participates democratically on the business decisions and on the division of profits amongst all the employees.

[@kimberlynndickens9640]

With all that extra money you bought stuff? Why didn't you and all your other pickers put all your extra money into building and expanding the farm 🤔?

[@Sazi_de_Afrikan]

@@kimberlynndickens9640 when you start putting money into circulation, it becomes a part of the circulation process of Capital (e.g. money-capital), and well, after that you become just another set of capitalists. For more information, check out “A Peoples Guide to Capitalism” or, if you’re looking for something more in-depth, check out Capital Vol. 1 chapters 4-7, and Capital Vol. 2 chapter 1.

[@razorgodzz7898]

A capitalist restaurant 🤪🧐

[@tjbarke6086]

Capitalists: If no one was coerced to work, no one would work. Also Capitalists: There is no coercion in capitalism.

[@meagan1095]

@@custos3249 I do not understand how a vegan couldn't see that the reason we exploit and kill literally billions of sentient creatures annually - despite the awful environmental, health and cruelty it causes - is CAPITALISM. No sane system would have allowed for us to create CAFOs, gestation crates, grind up newborn chicks fully conscious, or farm alligators in tupperware containers. It's Capitalism's relentless profit motive that drives us to treat our fellow animals with almost comical levels of callous cruelty. Veganism made me into an anti-capitalist. So strange how any vegan could be pro-Capitalism.

[@Hubcool367]

@PGH Engineer the mere existence of volunteering proves that you're wrong, no?

[@TruffleSeeker54]

@@Hubcool367 People only volunteer for a job if they feel comfortable doing it. I doubt you could get many people to volunteer to be an underwater welder, a very necessary job for the upkeep of bridges and oil rigs that can easily become deadly. You would need some sort of strong incentive for a job that no one will volunteer for. And even if someone does volunteer, they need to be physically fit and without any training they would be useless. So how would you, under a socialist system, incentivise a fit person to undergo several months of training for a job that may involve risking their life? No one would be willing to perform dangerous jobs if all of their basic needs are met and there is no strong incentive to do it.

[@Hubcool367]

@@TruffleSeeker54 the guy said "no one works for free under any system". I only pointed out that this is obviously not the case, Wikipedia wouldn't even exist otherwise. I never said "anyone would do anything, anywhere, under any circumstances for as long as humanly possible for free". Why would you assume that was somehow what I was saying/implying?

[@Hubcool367]

@PGH Engineer did you watch the video? "Nobody's studying to be a doctor without a big fat Mercedes", do Cuban doctors get big fat Mercedes? Were there no doctors in the USSR because they didn't have Mercedes?

[@jonathanhansen3709]

“Socialism is a scare award they’ve hurled at every advance the people have made. Socialism is what they called public power, Social Security, deposit insurance, and independent labor organizations. Socialism is their word for anything that helps all people”. - Harry Truman

[@erich6860]

Yep, Harry was right.

[@mlh5434]

"Social Security is going bankrupt and pays mere pennies on the dollar to retirees compared to what the market would've returned over time." - Me

[@mjkittredge]

scare "word" ? Award seems like some suggested text woopsie

[@mjkittredge]

@@mlh5434 Social security has a limit on taxable income, about 110,000 dollars, income after that is not taxed for SS. Remove the cap and it's solvent for a long time. Not everyone believes it's wise to gamble SS funds on wall street

[@mlh5434]

@@mjkittredge Or how about just get rid of Social Security entirely and let workers do what they want with their own money. "Not everyone believes it's wise to gamble SS funds on wall street" Wall Street has consistently returned an annual inflation-adjusted 7.5% since 1871. Even a 65-year old worker retiring in the worst depths of the Great Depression would still easily outperform what they'd draw in Social Security. The inflation-adjusted CAGR between 1880 and 1929 for example still averages out to 6.7%., while SS only provides just above a 2% return. Social Security is a pyramid scheme and is robbing workers of their ability to truly secure their retirement.

[@mildredmartinez8843]

Like you said. Socialism will not solve every problem. And some socialist experiments have failed miserably. I believe European countries in general are directing their lives toward more socialistic policies without resorting to authoritarianism. Medical care, education, family and working conditions are greatly improving in those countries that put the US to shame. I am hopeful that the reforms brought in by these practices will be copied (and they are) by other countries. I believe socialism is the way to a better future.

[@cmumma13]

I know that they point to the Nordic countries, but Denmark has a freer free market economy than we do. They tax their businesses even less than we do. It is the lower middle and middle class that pays for most of the social programs with their taxes.

[@cubesolver2564]

@@cmumma13 They also provide working and unemployed people with better security, allowing both businesses to change their workforce if need be, and for workers to more freely choose the jobs and which business they work under without having to be coerced by unmet physiological necessities. A free market has to go both ways for it to be truly free. The businesses must be given as much freedom as possible, *up until the point* where any further freedom becomes unsustainable for the environment, or oppresses the freedom of everyone else to buy and work for whichever business they find to be their best choice at reasonable prices and sufficient wages. Otherwise, it's just a business oligarchy, which is the unfortunate reality of what situation the USA is in right now.

[@groovygoblin4152]

Socialist policies also require huge government trust, or an overall weak and bendable government to the people’s wishes. The UK has been voting against socialism since voting in the socialist party (labour) caused huge economic problems. The Tory party, who are voted in most of the time, have massive issues with misappropriation of funds. They’ll take out 30 billion pounds for a high speed railway, an already inflated price, then more than quadruple the expected price, then cancel most of the railway, having the entire rest of the country paying into an ultimately broken promise. I live in the north of the UK and underfunding shows best here, there’s next to nothing being sent here in means of funds, the whole place is underfunded. My single mother was being taxed 33% to raise two children, all while her part of the country receives of the benefits. The UK is now in one of the worst inflation crisis in the western world. This doesn’t apply to all socialism as is evident from most of Europe, but shows how when it’s done wrong it’s a terrible system.

[@mildredmartinez8843]

Yes. I believe that the authoritarian policies that were practiced and are being practiced today in some socialist countries have done great harm to the ideals of socialism. I think that the conditions then, war, fascism and the capitalist pressure to sink socialism made them take these authoritarian practices. Perhaps. I don't know. Even today, if a country decides to follow a socialist path, they will be faced with the ire of the US that will impose all sorts of economic sanctions to sink its policies. It ain't easy. Hopefully, today, we may see some changes. I think many young people are beginning to see that capitalism cannot offer a stable living system for ordinary folks. Thanks for your comments.

[@groovygoblin4152]

@@mildredmartinez8843 i disagree that capitalism can’t offer stable living. Capitalism (true, not misrepresented/late stage) involves no monopolies or corporations. If you do the more, you get more, simple. When places lowered corporations taxes this all flew out the window. Socialism in its entirety rarely works because relying on the government isn’t that much different from relying on corporations. They just have the power to change laws. Don’t get me wrong capitalism needs elements of socialism for those who can’t care/work for themselves, but it shouldn’t really go past that. The main problems with capitalism stem from corporations. Even the inflated medical price in us which is supported by government isn’t truly capitalistic, because nobody else can sell the same products cheaper. Capitalism is about competition, something modern capitalism doesn’t have, reverting to older systems and higher taxes for larger businesses and corporations would result in the best workplaces (due to money being reinvested because of high taxes, therefore corporations reinvest instead of withdraw money) and would result in best availability of competition and jobs. Authoritarian ideals stem from socialism, not capitalism. Giving a government too much power means they rule with an iron fist, not everything can be blamed on capitalism/the US.

[@uploadstuff1762]

I'm 43 now and I turned a weird corner in my life a few years ago. For some strange reason money stopped being, how I sought to achieve fulfillment, and more just a way to keep score. I know it sounds pretty dumb but I started to have a better work-life balance when I approached it like that. In this capitalist hellscape, I need a coping mechanism to deal with what's going on around me

[@vancoverdeduction9032]

so glad to see an older person not engaging with capitalist apologia.. i know there are plenty of 40+ people who dont but ive been seeing more and more and it makes me happy. im glad youve felt better after changing your relationship with money. when i started understanding money is just a certain amount of points i need to not die- as frightening as that realization is- it helped me care more about humanity and my passions [as well as how much im being cheated.] nice profile picture btw!

[@uploadstuff1762]

@@vancoverdeduction9032 capitalism is without honor 🤣 Yea I've taken a weird journey. I began as a bootlicking far right in love with cash. The grand irony of it is that when I obsessed over cash, I wasn't making very much of it. I do a little better now, but I'm in no way considered wealthy. I still work hard I still grind, but now as long as my basic needs are met I no longer worry about the bonuses beyond that. Unfortunately my peers will never share the realization

[@erics607]

I'm in an unusual place in my life right now. I consider myself a partial minimalist, and even though my current job pays me well enough to make ends meet, I still want to find a new job that pays more. I currently make just under $40,000 and a lot of people would think that I would want a job where I earn around $70,000+ a year, but I just want a new job that I enjoy doing, but also where I can earn enough money (around $45,000 per year) to do some more fun things.

[@uploadstuff1762]

@@erics607 I feel your pain. I live in San Diego where 40K would be poverty. My 75-80K makes ends meet but I'm not balling. Nat that I want to

[@markwelch3564]

@uploadstuff I've seen a lot of people follow that arc When you're short of money, it feels like money is the answer to everything Then if you do escape that trap and have comfortable money, you start to notice all the things money can't buy Part of me wonders if this is deliberately exploited - if you keep people in that lack ing money mindset, it's easier to sell the myth that Greed is Good...

[@youreallinsane]

I always counter the argument that "no one will do the hard jobs" with the obvious answer, harder jobs will get more pay. This means, yes, a doctor will get more money than a janitor, but also a sewage drain cleaner will get more money than a janitor as well. Difficult and undesirable jobs' pay will naturally go up until it reaches the threshold for someone to want to do it, it's basically the argument for a "free market" but applied to the benefit of the people rather than capital.

[@dearjohn8789]

Sewage drain cleaners in the US make on average $45000 annually while a janitor makes on average 28,000 annually. You have no point. What you are describing is capitalism. You think a business owner overseeing thousands of employees who started the business from the ground up, who took the necessary risk, who had the idea, who purchases all the materials and pays all the salaries, that person should get paid the same as the dude who works the register who barely shows up on time who’s rude to customers who can’t do his job correctly; you think those two people should get paid the same? Or maybe your just absolutely delusional and you believe people will work for free “as long as their basic necessities are met”. You people are bat shit crazy

[@kallerokanen8979]

So People are paid In accordance To To the relation between the supply and demand of their labour, not like the labour theory of value would predict?

[@kallerokanen8979]

@@benrudolph5582 lol you are literally describing supply and demand. When the supply of labour is low, the cost of labour increases, which In turn increases supply. And the supply increases untill we reach equalibirum between supply and demand.

[@noobpie2]

Well isn’t this counter to minimum wage and teacher pay initiatives? Immigrants looking to make a life for themselves and people who love teaching will be willing to accept VERY low wages for this work, to the point of exploitation

[@macrumpton]

I think he just reinvented capitalism.

[@chrisnotyourbusines7739]

As someone that grew up in a socialist society, I can attest that the biggest problem is not the lack of will to work, but that the work done is inefficient, uninspired and theft is rampant because nobody profits from controlling the workers. I agree that it might be different if you ditch the 40h week.

[@Synchromesh123]

Won't be any different at all. In socialist societies most people got stuck with jobs that government needs them to have. Switching careers was a rarity. And while making 40h a thing of the past might alleviate some stress it certainly won't solve any other issues described in this idiotic video.

[@vannajs5024]

No much of a Incentives under Socialism,well under real socialism as was called in the Eastern Europe.. Because,there wasn't no market,there wasn't profit, people, especially those on the top,preferred to sell the products their enterprises produces ,on a black market , rather than in a government owned stores Same with store employees,they've done the same,holding in it in a warehouse,and selling it on a black market..When people've got quarantined job, life without much Hussle,they become spoiled in a way and loose incentive...I grew up in Yugoslavia,we had self management socialism,which was able to fill the store ups,with goods..But there was unemployment rate pretty high, people were still lazy on their joba, thefts on the jobs,apstetianism..etc..

[@eliascommentonly4652]

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[@blackmage471]

There has never been a true socialist society. There have been self-proclaimed socialist societies, but they're all based on Leninism, and never got past the dictatorship phase. Also, there has never been true capitalist society with no government and a fully self-regulating market. And every time neo-liberal conservative types cut taxes on corporations or hand over a public utility to the private sector, it makes everything worse for everyone except the CEOs of those giant corps and the career politicians. @Eugene Progress isn't perfect, or ever fixes everything all at once. According to your logic, the original cell phone was an idiotic idea because they were large and bulky, you couldn't text with them, or surf the internet with them. We wouldn't have those things today if it wasn't for the original cell phone.

[@Synchromesh123]

@@blackmage471 Ah, the infamous "all of those people making socialism before were stupid but a smart and clever person like me could do a much better job" argument. Heard it before. Aside from the arrogance and assumptions that all those people in power were dumber than your average socialist, the truth is there's never been a true socialist society for the simple reason that it's a utopia. Yup, just like true "capitalist society" it simply doesn't work in real life, at least as of today. What works well is a hybrid, which is what we have now. Basically a capitalist society with some socialist policies. The true socialist/communist ideologies failed miserably because most people understand fairly quickly that it's a total crock and the only way to hold it together is to constantly brainwash them and scare them to death. Hence all of them become dictatorial sooner or later. Your cell phone analogy doesn't work here. A cell phone is just a piece of electronics and it can be improved by tinkering with it and adding new features. Socialism is nothing like that because you can't go against human nature. It will not live in the real world which has been proven over and over again for 100 years.

[@kenpanderz]

as a neurodivergent person, its much harder for me just to go about my day-to-day life, much less working a job, much less being very poor while working that job, much less working a job that feels like barely more than busywork, much less while being aware of how apocalypticly bad the world is right now. if i didnt already have depression, i certainly do nowadays, and autism just makes it all the worse. but i still gotta pretend like my life is perfect while im on the clock or it'll get even worse. its genuinely hard to tell if living is worth it most of the time..

[@yurihq]

2rational4u But the point is that under socialism you work by your own accord. What this person is describing is that they are struggling to live and work feels meaningless. Under socialism, this person could contribute more to society by just doing what they want.

[@abdot604]

what's giving me a reason to live is fulfilling my purpose in worshiping allah, having this clear purpose means i know what i have to do and can do and doing it for the rest of my life, nothing else really matters that much, whether i have money or not, happy or sad...its just positions where there are good and bad choices to make and doing the good ones is my purpose. in short believing in god can help you especially when the evidences for him are overwhelming. stay strong.

[@WhenLifeGiveYouLimes]

One thing that a lot of capitalists point to is the fact that a lot of people, when they suddenly aren't working, will indulge in a lot of leisure time (they just graduated college and all they do is play video games, etc). But the truth is that people do this because they need a break!!! Humans need time to rest!!! School and work under capitalism is so grueling and soul crushing, and it's so very normal to take time to yourself the moment you're given the chance to do so. And so many of these people who are called lazy for taking these breaks will return to work voluntarily once they're feeling well enough to do so. Rest should be normalized.

[@LordKnightcon]

Yup. That's exactly the point. People should have more free time to pursue their passions because it will help them lead more fulfilling lives.

[@cr4yv3n]

@@LordKnightcon who will work to keep lights on if everyone thinks like you?

[@alinaitzal1173]

@@cr4yv3n you can be the house slave! Seems you lack some critical thinking, so you would be the perfect slave!

[@LordKnightcon]

@@cr4yv3n The people that are interested in operating power grids. Same ones that do it now.

[@LordKnightcon]

@@SIPEROTH I've said for years that the main purpose of our education system is grooming kids to be obedient cogs in the capitalist machine but it's rare to have someone agree with me. 😂

[@lorrygoth]

I have been unemployed for years, that doesn't mean I do nothing, it means I don't get paid for the things that I do.

[@lorrygoth]

@Shane Spencer Welfare from the Canadian government and support from family.

[@lorrygoth]

@Shane Spencer Volunteer, exercise, do housework, help my grandparents next door, work on my mental health. I don't have a license so I can't do or Volunteer as much as I would like to though because there is no public transport out here.

[@fuzzytop4746]

See how nice “socialism” would work you can do nothing while others do the actual “hard work” and then expect no one to get made because all your “elected bosses” treat your well

[@PoleaxeWife]

@@fuzzytop4746 Bro did you watch the video

[@lorrygoth]

@@fuzzytop4746 It kept me alive when Capitalism drove me to be suicidal, and Capitalism is the reason why I can't afford to do more. There is an inherent cost to being a part of the world that I can't afford, I didn't become a Socialist by choice, I was failed by Capitalism but was lucky enough not to be killed by it.

[@amapparatistkwabena]

I love your channel sooo much and have been recommending it like crazy over the last year.

[@SecondThought]

Thanks so much 😁

[@theleftistvortex]

@@SecondThought You and Hakim are easily my favorite leftist KZbinrs never stop.

[@DialecticRed]

After watching the video, I rewound it to the beginning and set it to play at 0.25x speed, to quadruple the watchtime and hopefully boost this video in the algorithm.

[@meepy546]

@@goldenealgefromdutchbros6834 Back then the kings couldnt see what everyone was doing, or tell them what to do. Now, they can for the most part. Even better, most people will follow what the king says far more rabidly than they did back then.

[@Jay_sonar]

Liked the whole video 😉

[@rickb3650]

The key is right in the name. Socialism places society at the center while capitalism places capital there. We've forgotten that the whole purpose of building society/civilization is so that we all get to live live easier, safer, more fulfilling lives. No one can do anything beyond a bare subsistence by themselves, and most people cannot even do that. Every anal orifice running around believing and telling everybody around them that they've earned everything they've got, whether it is some he-man tough guy that hunts his dinner out in the woods, or a fourth generation scion of a vast fortune, is demonstrably wrong.

[@jacksonjackson6975]

People are the VERY reason socialism will never work or last. People "want". When you are driving, does everyone do exactly the laws? Are they polite, waving hi, allowing people to join lanes,,.. Nope, drivers can be total jerks! Do you think Jim cares about Jane 12 houses down? Never met, at most they pass each other at times. Jim cares more about a butterfly fart that occurred 1900 miles away. EVEN socialists do not care about others! just visit discussion groups and see how hateful socialists are! Before money, when food was capital. If I spent all summer planting and piling up food. By winter I enough for 10 years, others only have a month. Should I give them food? What if in the summer months I traded other hunters to hunt for me. So, they hunting and brining me deer and pig. As I am making neckless with gold and other valuable items. They give me the deer and pigs they hunted for trade of my necklaces. Then, during the winter they did not collect enough food. I have surplus, the food I traded them for. Should I be forced to give some meat? I paid them for the meat. Their labor provided me the meat.

[@rickb3650]

@@jacksonjackson6975 This is simply a recitation of the mythology you've been fed. I'm sorry that you've never experienced cooperative, polite communities, but your lack of experience does not mean they don't exist. While they have become all too rare here in the U.S. they do still exist. OTOH, your imagined barter economy is something that has never once existed in recorded history, going back to the Code of Hammurabi which was itself mostly a record of relative value and how to deal with other cultures. Just for the sake of argument, what do you intend to do with your ten year supply of food? And in your story; yes, when you have more than you need, you give people who need it some of your food. You do it to help them so that when your crops fail next year, someone will help you. That's community. I'm an atheist, but if you look at all the Big Books of Religion, that is one of the main themes they all share. It seems to me that what you are really asking is, "In a socialist community, what's to stop me from being an asshole?" and the answer is nothing, for awhile. Eventually however, your reputation will precede you.

[@jacksonjackson6975]

@@rickb3650 So socialism is more about supporting and helping the community? Instead of someone wanting to own a breed factory. It should be all the community that owns it? ,, in a small community this may work fine. In a place where no one uses money and they all work together for an end goal. The goal of having all of ones needs meet. So all can have time to explore and grow. But once the population reaches a certain size, it would never work. ,, People would find ways to only enjoy and reap the rewards of others as they do nothing. Yet, other people will find ways to cheat the system, and get way more than others. Perhaps one likes widgets and ends up with a HUGE pile, as others have few or none. Still others will steal or obtain rare items and trade for other goods / services. The other issue, most people (90% plus) do not care about others. I don't care if the lady 8 houses down can't fix her roof. I don't care if the guy 12 houses down can only afford noodles. Now, if I see they are in danger, and I can help, like fire. Yea, I'll help. But at the end of the day, my family, friends and me all come first. I might donate time and resources for a good cause or something I support. But that is decided by me, not others. ,, When you are driving, does everyone drive politely and allow others to merge, pass, make turns,,,. Most drivers are dicks and only care about themselves. If people can't be kind and such when just travelling, what makes you think they'll do it anywhere?

[@blacklightredlight2945]

@@jacksonjackson6975 For driving, that's a product of capitalism, individual focused mindsets. I have to go to work to pay my bills, I deserve to get to X faster, etc. In a communal system, you don't have to speed or cut people off, there's no incentive unless they're in an emergency. In capitalism, your value as a person is measured by your own accomplishment and hoarded valuables, your value is isolated from other people, so you don't care about them. In a communal mindset, your value is based on what you do for others.

[@rickb3650]

@@jacksonjackson6975 There you go again, not reading and not thinking, simply regurgitating the same crap that you've swallowed. If you were interested in knowing anything, the information is abundant and all you have to do is look at it. You'd be a lot less angry if you bothered to examine what is instead of insisting that what you believe defines reality.

[@richardbuckharris189]

“What will you do with the lazy ones, who would not work?' No one is lazy. They grow hopeless from the misery of their present existence, and give up. Under our order of things, every men would do the work he liked, and would have as much as his neighbor, so could not be unhappy and discouraged.” ― Emma Goldman

[@rapidboots3615]

@@nicktarnowski7069 you should go to 4chan

[@rapidboots3615]

@@nicktarnowski7069 ok

[@joshuasims5421]

And if there are people who don't want to work, it really doesn't matter to me so long as everything is getting done. As said in the video, lots of jobs under capitalism are entirely spurious. Especially with automation, it should be possible. This is also important for people who can't work, but will still need support.

[@prdddac8606]

Gulible

[@ChrisGuerra31]

@@nicktarnowski7069 here we see those who are deceived into thinking that the wealthy only receive what they've worked for; when they are actually the ones who do less work, and reap the rewards of their employees' labor. It's almost like such commenters don't actually watch the videos they comment on. More people would do more labor if they were financially free to do the work they care about.

[@tylerblue9691]

I’m surprised this video had no mention of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, as it’s some good evidence as to why people would work under socialism Socialism provides the first 2 tiers, so people can then focus on tiers 3-5. It makes complete sense!

[@SecondThought]

Yeah, I’ve mentioned it in a previous video

[@hirokoai3013]

Olso, Maslow's hierachy of needs can be quite disputed, it's a model, simplifying an economy like homo oeconomicus, but not oways a good one. Think to one think : if anyone looks for food and shelter before looking for social acceptance and self-fulfillment, how on earth does suicides even exist ? You have people ready to give up on their lower Maslow's needs because of problems on their higher Maslow's needs. It looks like needs aren't that hierarchised, or not the way we expect it to be. Maybe there are some individual or cultural variations on which needs are important. Still, Maslow's hierarchy of need is a theoretical assumption, not a scientific finding.

[@bramvanduijn8086]

@@hirokoai3013 Models are still valid if they don't apply to the whole of reality. Models by definition have boundaries beyond which they don't apply. Just remember to add these few words before any model: "Generally speaking, "

[@hirokoai3013]

@@bramvanduijn8086 The problem is you always can say it to every model, it is one of the reason Homo eoconomicus is used in economics ! But with models, we want it at least to use it to describe a part of our reality. The even fact Homo oeconomicus has been considered relevant to describe an economy says a lot about capitalist economists. So, do we want to consider Maslow's theory of needs relevant to describe our needs. If we want to use it to imagine a better society, maybe we should find another model. This hierarchy is messed up from the everydaylife (who never reported or skipped a meal to continue an interesting conversation) to big life decisions (self-sacrifice is increadibly usual in the world I live in, maybe not in Maslow's one though, who knows ?). Plus, all these needs are often linked. So, well, we can alway make models "Generally speaking", but here, we look for models "generally describing what we see", which is not the case for Maslow's one.

[@PreAlgebra]

I’m 53 years old, not very smart, and didn’t go into college. However, I had a dad who was an accountant and told me to just save money and invest it into the market. Things were a little harder back then, but now I just max out my Roth IRA which is $6500. Im a plumber with about annual income of 70,000 dollars and now my investments have accumulated to about 3.6 million.

[@someoneontheinternet4518]

How much I wish I could ever hope to get enough excess income to do that

[@jesseleeward2359]

Good job. The 60s were a bit different

[@PreAlgebra]

@@jesseleeward2359 the stock growth for S&P 500 has been about 10-12%, math hasn’t changed. Just max out your Roth for a couple decades and your good

[@vicfontaine5130]

​@@jesseleeward2359Trades still pay well and you're not left with student debt. The problem is for younger people the house prices skyrocketed.

[@GigaKerbal]

I love this way of thinking. Removing as much bias, buzzwords, and errors as possible, then making it as hard for you to argue as possible, then looking at all the benefits and problems in the scenario. If only more people thought this way.

[@nicktheloser2974]

@@LeavingGoose046 Please do. We all need to be aware of these things.

[@GigaKerbal]

@@LeavingGoose046 go ahead.

[@squirrelhallowino29]

@@LeavingGoose046 Yeah compared to something that's just a theory? Literally socialism can't exist, is fantasy.

[@flambango9710]

@@LeavingGoose046 I'm working on a google doc right now that explains my thoughts on some of the things this guy said, when I finish it I can send it if anyone wants to see. UPDATE: I'm about 7 mins into the video and my doc is over 4 pages long.

[@BlueV205]

@@LeavingGoose046 We're still waiting my guy

[@soniccane1117]

This is a real paradigm shift and a lot to sink in... I can see that people will still work, but how do we ensure it’s the work we need done? What if a disproportionate number of people want to spend their 5 hours a day, say, writing a book, and not enough want to transport food? Would this happen, and if so, what could the incentives/coercion look like?

[@Maggy54321]

I thought the same. Who want to be garbage cleaner or a work in sewage lol.

[@Santor-]

@@Maggy54321 The one who doesnt want to live off $600 a month on welfare with no skills. One still had to apply for jobs in socialist/communist countries you know. And yes, they had welfare too, when unemployment ran out.

[@powerofyes]

@@Santor- "had to apply", you probably don't know how right you are. We had the crime of vagrancy (basically an unemployed person who makes no effort to become employed) instituted in '68. Meaning, you get caught with no job, you could get thrown in jail from 1 month to 3 years.

[@Firewalkerbg]

@@Santor- No, you didn't 'apply' for jobs in communist countries. You were literally forced to take a job. It was illegal to be out of a job.

[@kiIIyourmasters]

At the end of the day, unless we transition to a truly utopian society, incentives will likely come in the form of generous wages or benefits. Until we achieve some kind of ethical automation of undesirable jobs someone is always going to have to do them and that is in part, why the hierarchical system we live in exists. The important thing is that instead of treating these menial workers like garbage, they should be provided the same, if not more benefits, than those in desirable roles.

[@roy4173]

Hank Green, a self-professed capitalist, has some rather socialist-leaning ideas. He said in one of his videos, that he hated being described as a "job creator" and people thanking him for "creating jobs". As many may know, Hank runs a lot of different businesses through educational KZbin content, and he does hire a lot of people to produce that regular daily content. But he merely sees the hiring process as simply paying people to do something he needs done. He doesn't see it as some "moral good" that he's contributing to society. A job can be used for the betterment of society, but it can equally be used for evil. He recognized that. So "creating jobs" was neither good nor evil in his eyes. It just was. Herin is the problem. We're currently living in a society where having a job is intricately tied to not starving. So when you hire someone, you have, in a way, actually saved them from death. So it becomes hard to separate the two ideas that hiring someone is an act of paying someone to do this thing for your business, but it's also paying someone to put food on the table. So it's very difficult to NOT see job creation as performing some morally good deed when objectively speaking, it's neither good nor evil. But in order to see that, people's access to survival goods and services needs to be divorced from their employment status. Jobs would strictly be voluntary and not indirectly coerced due to the threat of starvation and death following closely behind. Hank is doing a lot of good with his businesses right now. I don't think anyone could argue against that. If all businesses were somehow regulated to follow his general trajectory, I think society would have a lot to gain from it. He thinks this all stems from free access to capitalism, but the way I see it, any sort of regulation that prevented excess profits from going to the owners is becoming more socialist leaning. From my perspective, he actually runs his business like a socialist would, donating all profits to fund sustainable humane businesses abroad like his awesome socks club and awesome coffee club. I think people would benefit a lot from understanding that nuance.

[@impishlyit9780]

@PGH Engineer Oh fuck off, no one I have ever known has had a pension in over three decades. Maybe the well-off get pensions, everyone else is stuck with 401ks and IRAs.

[@aNotoriousPhD]

@PGH Engineer this hasn't been true for a while, if you're a millennial or younger in the US, there is a close to zero chance that you will receive a pension. just another relic that the boomers (and some of gen x) get to benefit from. would also be interested in seeing some proof that 50% of profits go to pensions, finding that hard to believe.

[@admiralfrancis8424]

@@nenmaster5218 "Socialism-KZbinrs and Atheist-KZbinrs are Siblings. " You only gave one example. Besides, don't you remember the "skeptic" anti-sjw era? A lot of atheist youtubers were reactionaries at the time.

[@Black_Corey]

He does not donate all profits to charity from his Complexly company.

[@mattstark9144]

As a freelancer or independent animator/designer in the US for over 3 years, I’m probably rarely talked about in these types of videos, but I totally get the draw to want to change the typically hierarchies found in W2 jobs. It’s one of the big reasons why I’ve transitioned to freelancing after a decade of working as an employee. It’s given me so much freedom to work on my own agreement terms with people I enjoy and get paid what I’m worth. Another cool thing is that anyone who can gain skills in an area of anything can do it too. However, we are primarily raised and trained to get that W2 job to work for people. Our income is just taxed differently and much higher. The government sure does make everything more complicated for self-employed people, though…buying a house, costs of individual health insurance, finding out about localized self-employment taxes beyond federal and state the hard way, and so on. I’ve heard an argument that because the workforce might be fairer under socialism, people wouldn’t want to freelance and self-employ themselves anyway. I definitely disagree, especially if that path for people would be abolished. Taking away that freedom to represent yourself and do your own thing is such a precious thing that we have and it’s definitely why I just can’t get behind the amount of government control that socialism comes with. It’s not just Lyft driving, Grubhub delivering, and other gigs that might come to mind. It can be a super fulfilling ongoing career adventure to meet and work with amazing people from all walks of life. Who knows…if I was still trapped in that corporate employee world, maybe I’d be more for that government model. I know this convo runs deep, but that is my 2¢ view.

[@TrueLife..]

So I agree with you for the most part and as someone who has been able to do my own thing my entire life, the idea of socialism scares me. However, the unfortunate truth is the OVERWHELMING majority of humanity fucking hate their jobs, in the US something like 80% of workers feel uninspired and have zero enjoyment in their work. Throw in the fact that the majority of US citizens work pay check to pay check.. Imagine spending 5 to 6 days a week for years doing shit you hate because you really have no other options. Now, you wanna say 'tough luck' because at least I got mine and the ability for others to do the same is at least POSSIBLE even if statistically improbable, fine. That is your right and people like us will get to continue to be the rare ones actually enjoying life and feeling fulfilled. This being said, factoring in the previous points on top of horrific social media algos that push content driven on all the worst emotions humans have, poisoned food produced by mega corporations in the name of profit, a govt owned by elites to safe guard the status quo. Stagnant wages for the last few decades, more mental illness, sick people, fat people... Capitalism is not sustainable in the way it is being utilized currently and it is only a matter of time before something gives. I don't really know what the answers are, but I can't blame content creators making videos like the one we are commenting on because virtually everything he discusses regarding the insanity of capitalism - though it's the system that keeps things the way they are currently - is spot on.

[@rodjaknenad6984]

Trying to figure out how the idea of socialism infringes on your right to express yourself in your own full freedom. There is no one definitive model of socialism, it would be up to us to chose how we are going to implement it. The main idea is that the few should not have ownership of what the many need, and that the basic needs of everyone should be met. Your freelancing is just contributing your own work to the community under terms that fit you best. Lest you are conning people somehow, I don't see any potential of exploitation of others this way, you are your own boss and you get your money based on your contribution. Hell, I'd say a freelancer is the closest person to living in socialism in a capitalist system. So in the end, I still don't see how the idea of freelancing and socialism are conflicting. Maybe your heard about a specific idea of socialist implementation that would disincentivize freelancing, but for me it is absolutely in spirit with socialism and I wouldn't condone any system that is against it. It is absolutely possible to keep freelancing in socialism.

[@mikek7660]

​@@rodjaknenad6984 people hear communism or socialism and assume the government dictates absolutely every aspect of life

[@Luneytoon]

There is no art under socialism since it doesn’t serve a purpose. Your skills would be wasted under it. Most if not all art is created for profit

[@cmumma13]

@@rodjaknenad6984 How could someone still freelance or be their own business owner. If they can charge whatever they feel they are worth; you are still going to have the inequality that you complain about. If I as a blue collar worker have two homes; because I sacrificed, I will still have more wealth then someone who has just an apartment in a block of Apartments. If the freelance worker makes twice or three times what someone else makes and thus can afford to live in a 3000 Sq foot house; how is the worker who only makes enough to live in an apartment going to feel they are equal. It falls apart, you are still going to have those with more and who can live better than others, unless you make it so that people all get the same wage and get to live in the same type of housing and have the right to the same transportation.

[@armandsukles4020]

"In a society where everyone has democratic power over economic decisions, the most likely outcome is to divide work equitably." Why? This is not what happened in actual socialist societies and it also runs counter to every school teamwork project I've ever seen (which I guess is good approximation to fully democratic decision making process for completing a simple task) - work always divides unequitably in those projects and it is not necessarily a bad thing. If I took the lead I never minded doing far more than my fair share in order to ensure the result was satisfying to me and in the process I didn't mind that everyone got a good grade as well. I saw the same dynamic in every team in every imaginable composition and the same thing is happening with my kids in school today. The idea that in socialism there would be more automation and shorter working hours is contrary to every empirical evidence we have of actual socialist societies. The opposite happens. Even then there is an initial big push for automation, the automated lines tend to fall into disrepair and are then eventually replaced by more manual labour. This is because automation and maintaining automation is hard and can be done only by a relatively few people who inevitably have something more interesting to do and if you don't care about profits - manual labour is free. Anybody who thinks that electing your boss who will then be accountable to the voters, will make a nice working environment, obviously has not had much experience with actual places where this happens. Take your average apartment association. After a few years these tend to turn into nests of vipers where any sane person would try to stay as far away as possible, even if it means having to tolerate nonsense house rules made up by some pensioner with nothing to do in apartment 13C. This is because voting is never about cool-headed rational decisions trying to take everybody's or even only your own interest into account. It is always about emotions, and the smaller the community, the more it is about human relationships. Elections are won by people who have the time and are good at nurturing these relations, not necessarily by those who would do the best job. Also nothing would destroy the atmosphere in the workplace quicker than a vote on a divisive issue where everyone has an opinion - like which beans should be used in the coffee machine. Obviously in a democratic society there is need for elections, but overdoing them does not mean a more democratic society, it leads to dysfunctional ochlocracy - see Brexit for evidence. I grew up in a socialist society where the profit motive was eliminated as suggested in the video. My father was a scientist in a high profile institute, got nice awards too. Since nobody else understood what they were doing, there was no potential profit motive, the success of his work was not evaluated based on whether the results were usable or in fact used (they weren't), but based on ideological purity of the thesis papers (because that was the only thing anybody from outside could assess). My mother worked her dream job in culture media. Unfortunately, she was one day found lacking for ideological purity, because it was found that her father had done some ideologically bad things. She got told on by a co-worker and then let go with shame. Being unemployed in a society where there officially is no unemployment sucks way worse than in modern capitalist societies which usually have at least some kind of unemployment insurance and being unemployed isn't a sign of ideological defect. I recently had a reason to look into the numbers of one factory that managed to survive the transition from socialism to capitalism (most didn't). During socialism, the factory had approximately 1500 workers, now it has around 300., but the output is more than doubled. I asked what did all those people do. As one example there literally were five man teams to change light bulbs. One did the work, one managed and did the paperwork, one made sure the team retained proper ideological purity and the two watched. One reason why this happened was that with no money to count, what you counted was the number of subordinates. So everyone who could, tried to increase the number of their subordinates, as a measure of how successful they were. BTW talking to those old guys now - this is the one thing they always remember to tell you - how many people they could boss around back in the day.

[@HijoDeKorhal]

This sounds a lot like what happens in my country. We may not be (yet) a full-fledged socialist society, but we have a humongous State and way more public employees than we need. So we call some of them "ñoquis" (niokis), which in our culture means someone who only goes to work on their payday to receive their check. Most of these people are there because someone from the inside got them the job, maybe family or a friend, and their salary is many times bigger than if they worked in a serious public job, or in a private company. In the end, this is what happens in a society or corporation where there is no value in merit, accomplishments or being prepared to do your job... The idea that there are no lazy people, that noone can live as a parasite without working, that's just wishful thinking. If that were truly the case, NEETs wouldn't exist.

[@PatrickShed]

Totally agree. I did not live in socialist society but my family did. They always say that during socialism everybody had a job, but it did not mean that everybody actually worked. So it was not like it is described in this video - more people employed = less work for one person to do. The assumption that people would work even if they were guaranteed minimum salary is just not right. I know quite some people that do not want to work because they actually receive social benefits for just having kids (for example). And it actually makes people who actually work to earn some money angry - naturally. Socialism divided people as well - there are people who benefits from that system, doing almost nothing and getting paid, as well as people working their ass off and also getting paid the same way as if they did almost nothing. I really do not think that socialism is fair. Nor is capitalism. This guy seems like he really does not have any experience with socialism. I mean, the theory is nice, but real life experience would be different. When he was talking about boss election, I was laughing my ass out :D This would be total disaster in my country at least. I mean, people can argue so much about the parliament elections and other kinds of elections. Hating each other for just having different opinions. I can imagine how the boss elections would ruin the relations between colleagues. Now I hear some people are missing socialism, but those are mostly the ones who did NOTHING at their jobs. They were just happy to be guaranteed some income because they were employed. This guy idealizes socialism way too much. As I said, the theory is nice, but there are too many real time aspects that makes socialism different from the theory.

[@xerxeslv]

@@PatrickShedYep, video begins pretending to go into real analytics of the "limitations" of socialism, compared to capitalism. However, it nearly instantly slides into pure praise of socialism meanwhile bashing capitalism. It sounds nice, but it does not look like "full story". And yeah, I guess "socialism fantasy" look so much better amid criticism of obvious existing problems of capitalism.

[@sirnikkel6746]

@@HijoDeKorhal CHE COMO ESTÁ TODO ACHÁ?

[@permanentmarkerone]

Wish there was someway to pin your comment. I loved it so much ❤️

[@lavantant2731]

used to work at usps, loved delivering mail, hated the work. loved walking or driving around and delivering life saving meds, and the things that people had bought and wanted, and letters from their loved ones. what i hated was spending 70+ hours a week in life threatening conditions(130+ degrees in the truck in the summer, no heat for the winter, no protection from the elements, and getting federally mandated to work during a literal fucking hurricane, as well as all the problems with dogs and with dangerous walkways and so on, while driving around in a truck that was likely to fall apart or catch fire(happened quite often in my office) with no air bags, and faulty seatbelts, without the right to carry any kind of weapon(including a knife for in case i need it for entirely mundane reasons) and so on and so on) while getting yelled at by my boss to hurry up multiple times an hour, while making poverty wages with no benefits such as health or life insurance. if i could ensure i was treated as a human and that i would be paid enough to be able to live i would go back to work for them, and thats literally my line in the sand, just: not life threatening

[@zakosist]

There needs to be better worker rights. At the minimum safe and not downright unhealthy working conditions. As well as a reasonable salary with a reasonable amount of work hours. Those things should just be legally required and people need to advocate for that more, maybe even riot at some point. Or start a movement where if your working conditions are terrible, you quit no matter what, regardless of backup. You might end up hungry and homeless, but that's only one of many ways to suffer, and maybe at a certain point, the job is actually worse. But an important point is there needs to be some actual pressure on abusive employers (but be clear to society that the working conditions are what you're referring to, and not just "dont want a job")

[@billybeemus3929]

@@jan-lukas - That was the point s/he was making. The postal service here in the US is as close to having a socialist/communist job as you will ever get here.

[@ScooterinAB]

Story of my left. I left one of my last employers after a complete breakdown because I was trying too hard, yet always being threatened with being fired. I was the second most reliable member of staff and was training people in the same position as mine who were literally making more money than I was. I would take every shift and do everything I could to do a better job, yet because my output was low (it was sales and I wasn't greasing people), I was constantly being threatened with termination. I broke, went on leave for 6 months, then took a little more time off before starting a new job because I knew I'd never be able to return to that one. I loved explaining things to people and helping them make purchases. I loved helping people and being reliable. But I couldn't contend with the rest of it.

[@superjonh1000]

@@jan-lukas 40h a week would be the dream. The standard work/week in Brazil is 48h.

[@DoktorDomo]

In Yugoslavia mailmen had to walk everywhere during rain, snow and heat. They had no workers rights. One guy got eaten by a pack of wolves so don’t complain about getting to drive around in a truck.

[@gartht6536]

The 40 hour week is rather '1950's' in much of the world outside the USA. Many places it is 36 hour or even 32 hour weeks. There is often a need to work longer, but this is usually covered by 'overtime', which means the employee benefits from it and the employer will try to arrange it to be done only when needed as it involves extra cost

[@smokinhalf]

I wish I had 32 hour week. I have told my employer a many of times that if I could keep my medical insurance I would take a pay cut to work less hours... no dice

[@amphoramorph2856]

As a historian of the Soviet Union and Mao’s China, I struggle to see how any completely socialist system (not a capitalist nation with socialist elements like Sweden) could meet supply and demand through a centrally planned economy. I’m an avid supporter for socialism in every other aspect, but both these nations I study were characterised by waste, corruption, inefficiency, stagnation, and bottlenecks.

[@amphoramorph2856]

A lot of language used to define socialism is very vague and inspiring. Unless someone can put forward a better idea than central planning, the idea hasn’t got any legs.

[@T207ra]

I agree that mixed economies are more effective. Pure socialism appears to be too idealistic, but I would like to be proven wrong about that.

[@Eric-if6en]

There's no example where a state increased their wealth (and with that their living standard) by complete socialism. It's not working. I'm shocked how many people in the comments are convinced by this bullshit. I'd say they are all justifying themselves doing nothing

[@georgekostaras]

I'm very appreciative about this video because literally the other day a friend of mine asked me this very same question. Thanks so much for the useful info

[@fluffywolf6300]

@@redrkstone He also did not talk about how greed and corruption would still be a thing. He talks about taking the power from a few and giving it to everyone, but in reality it would be taking the power from a few and giving it to even fewer.

[@georgekostaras]

@@redrkstone also machines are expensive, require a long supply chain and run the risk of being obsolete in a year or two. Generally speaking, in Capitalist countries, businesses don't automate when they have access to cheap labour, like the US agricultural market which depends on near slave labour from the global south or in the state of Arizona where the governor admitted the economy would collapse without slave labour from the prisons. JT never promised a utopia. A socialist system would have pitfalls, ups and downs. What we want is a better system than we have now because it's failing 99 percent of the population wherever it's tried. It doesn't incentivize people to work and can't maintain a full labour force, can't raise living standards and hollows out every single public institution.

[@georgekostaras]

@@fluffywolf6300 to answer your question, that's just how capitalism works. Places like the USA have some of the least democratic systems on earth and it's the best case scenario under capitalism.

[@georgekostaras]

@@redrkstone alright then if automation is so perfect then why not eliminate for profit production and give the extra profits back to workers . Why not give workers extra vacation time instead of laying them off like under capitalism

[@thephlophers]

"We have to compare those limitations to those of our current resplendent capitalism." Exactly right. You can lose sight of the forest for the trees in discussing the infinite shortcomings of socialism, when a huge majority of those problems manifest under capitalism too. Often, those phenomena are much worse than they are in hypothetical or actually existing socialism, because what would be an anomaly or dysfunction under a socialist system can be standard operating procedure for capitalism.

[@giancarlo3430]

Thas why socialism dosn't work becuase it can funtutuion in the real world but captialism can even though it has problems

[@TJ-lh7xg]

@@giancarlo3430 There have been and still are functioning Socialist adjacent societies. The Zapatistas in Mexico, Rojava in Syria, and Cuba(despite its flaws) are all examples.

[@giancarlo3430]

@@TJ-lh7xg and their all crap countries proving my point that capitalism is better

[@TJ-lh7xg]

@@giancarlo3430 1. 2/3 of the examples I listed aren't defined as countries. 2. How can you say capitalism is better on the basis of socialist societies being "shit countries" when nearly all "3rd world" countries are capitalist. 3. Cuba, in spite of the relative economic isolation and embargo from its neighbors, provides a better standard of living for its population than other countries of similar development. Zapatistas provides a good standard of of living as it doesn't need to rely on imports to sustain itself. Rojova doesn't have the luxury of being concerned about standard of living as the region is in a civil war, but it's still considered better than the other party in the region.

[@giancarlo3430]

@@TJ-lh7xg this those not help ur agrument

[@MyRapNameIsAlexbitsnpieces]

Thank you so much for putting such care, relatability and intelligence into all of these.

[@SecondThought]

Thank you for watching! I’m glad you enjoy them

[@happeeboy9581]

Except socialism doesn't work. His dream relies on things we only have now because of capitalism.

[@HappyLeeHL]

@@happeeboy9581 True. People in China or Cuba wouldn't make videos like this.

[@donjonson1748]

I grew up in such a system... you go to work because otherwise you go to jail. Not working did not exist in my country.

[@TheHolyEagle33]

so it does work :)

[@07Flash11MRC]

Yes, that's life under cápìtàlí$m..

[@thanksyahweh8777]

I like that you give an honest take in that "No, this won't work perfectly." But as long as it works better than this shithole of a world we live in, I'll take it.

[@Tmzu]

It’s not like capitalism is working. It’s only working as intended for the rich.

[@silasbishop3055]

How would it be better? Will living in a communal house with other families and spending all day in the fields be better?

[@nairsheasterling9457]

@@silasbishop3055 Let me guess, you typed this from an apartment (multi-family housing) while working at a company. Did you REALLY think that this was a gotcha? And that's assuming your argument is true, which it isn't.

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

@@silasbishop3055 That would be better because your basic needs are met and the income you make from working can be spent on things like better living conditions and xboxes. If you get sick you would just go to the doctor instead of doing a mental calculation of whether you're actually sick enough to spend 2 years of savings on a doctor visit. If you want to be reductive and imagine the absolute worst scenarios of socialism you should also imagine the absolute worst scenarios of capitalism which are you either starve to death in the streets or even worse work as a slave in prison because Nevada would collapse without prison labor.

[@adamrosendahl8090]

@@silasbishop3055 nice try. Better luck next time.

[@scalylayde8751]

I think this recent pandemic shows how much people want to get out of the house and do things. A lot of people feel useless and depressed if they don't have a job, not because of a moral requirement, but just because of personality. Most people I know WANT to do things with themselves all day. I know that's not a reliable sample, but I also don't think that's uncommon. Also, most of the people who I know who don't work as much have disabilities, or depression, or other complicating factors. Capitalism doesn't make those people work more because they can't.

[@fuzzytop4746]

There is a difference from getting out of the house to a job and going to that job and actually doing hard work. Someone making roofs on top of your house while your at the office watching KZbin videos will destroy society this theory needs major improvement

[@excederal9092]

@@fuzzytop4746 this exactly, when I’m not working I’m playing video games and watching videos, how are either of those two activities productive to our society

[@Helaw0lf]

Also lack of hobbies to engage with outside their work.

[@ArtBear88]

@@fuzzytop4746 bingo, capitalism needs to be reigned in if we are to contain this disaster

[@cr4yv3n]

But nobody wants to *HAVE* to work and work on a SHIFT, EVERYDAY. Under socialism that would be the only choice. Work in a co-op or don't eat. In capitalism you can become a boss or try to. I'll take my chances with the latter.

[@andreo6134]

Truth is, most jobs can be fun to do... But doing them to the point of exhaustion 5-6 days a week makes you sick of it. Some examples come to mind...like construction work. It's physical and demanding, but you the the satisfaction of building something. The reason it sucks is that you have to do it 10-12 hrs a day, 5 days a week. No matter how much you enjoy doing something, doing it to much will make it not enjoyable anymore. I have a similar situation with driving. I got into truck driving because I loved driving.... But doing this for 60hrs a week, every week and now I just hate it. So, I agree with the spliting so called "unnapealing" jobs into smaller chunks... To bad the world just gets more greedy everyday, everyone wants everything and if you don't have a side hustle along your full time job you're seen as a lazy person and that's why you're "unsuccessful". Great video 😎

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

Have more renting out different things, companies selling samples and small things, and public facilities so people can enjoy more things without pressure to buy it, hyperconsumerism, and pressuring people to work and make so much to meet that. There's extremism on both sides. Either hyperconsumerism or shaming people for wanting to enjoy things. And without trying to think up solutions.

[@McRuffin]

There’s no legitimate way to make 1 billion dollars a year with labor alone . These Hispanics who build homes in my city are more deserving than these guys who make 20 million a day to have 8 levels of management to exploit workers. People think these billionaires are somehow legitimately making absurd amounts of money . The real hard workers need change .

[@MerlinsFiles]

I'm looking for a job to be able to become independent, move out, eat, and start HRT, but I'd much rather have the things I need guaranteed to me so that I can look for a job to be able to help build/maintain my community, feed my neighbors, teach and support the younger generation, make entertainment, and to just produce something worthwhile for the sake of that thing's own merits. Why must we make things worse than we could be making them?????? (Phones, first that comes to mind.) I am so frustrated by how useless the jobs available to me seem. How little change I can affect in them. Since I was little I would pick up on performative or capitalist motivations around me, and think them so odd and insincere, and as I grow older I've just gained the vocabulary to talk about it.

[@6Oko6Demona6]

You're such a special and wonderful snowflake. I'm sure you would have make a real and significant difference in the world if you have been provided with the opportunity to do so. All jokes aside, you're in an urgent need to grow up.

[@davidt8087]

Please SHARE THIS. EVERYONE. ITS TIME TO STOP YOUR OWN ABUSE, ENSLAVEMENT, AND EXPLOITATION. TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO TELL THEIR WORKING CLASS FRIENDS AND FAMILIES TO UNITE WITH THEIR COWORKERS AND STAND UP AGAINST THEIR BOSSES/CEO'S AND END THEIR OWN ENSLAVEMENT AND EXPLOITATION BY DEMANDING THE PAY YOU WANT, AND GETTING IT BY REDUCING THE INSANELY HIGH PAY (100S OF TIMES.MORE) THAT CEO'S, AND SHAREHOLDERS GET. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, SALARY WORKERS DO 99% OF THE WORK AND PRODUCE 99.9% OF THE MONEY YET GET LESS THAN 1% OF IT. ENOUGH OF YOUR OWN EXPLOITATION. STOP BEING AFRAID AND TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW AND DONT KNOW AND TEAM UP WITH EVERYONE AT UR WORKPLACE. DONT BE AFRAID OR GREEDY. STAND UP AND SHUT THESE GREEDY EXOPLITERS DOWN FOREVER. WE NEED TO TAKE CONTROL OF HOW MONEY IS PASSED AROUND FROM THE TOP 1%. WE ALSO NEED TO PUNISH ANYONE WHO ARTIFICIALLY CAUSES INFLATION BY RAISING PRICES WHEN WE DO GET THE PAY WE WANT (FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU MAKE $40K YOU SHOULD GET $120K BECAUSE ITS EASILY POSSIBLE AND DOABLE FOR MOST CORPORATIONS THEY'RE JUST BEING GREEDY AND $120K A THREE TIMES INCREASE IS CONSERVATIVE), BY PREVENT ING THE PRICE INCREASERS FROM EVER DOING BUSINESS BECAUSE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. THE FEW HAVE DESTROYED THE WORLD AND OPPRESSED THE REST FOR TOO LONG.

[@wtbdarkness2900]

I hope things changed for the better in the past few months :3 strength to u!

[@echung34]

Thank you for this. The root of many of this country's problems is the capitalist system that you describe so well. We focus on bandaids vs the foundations. We need foundational change.

[@elijahstinnett2429]

Lol no, like the inability of some ppl to see and admit the problem is us is insane😂. Greed, corruption, cruelty, and many other problems like them arent products and problems with capitalist, socialism, communism and any other system, they are our problem, thats why all of these systems sound perfect on paper but arent so much in practice because in ppls pitches of these ideas they usually leave out the negative human element that causes different problems within each of these systems

[@bunnyconcubus8468]

​@@elijahstinnett2429This is just a blatant lie

[@user-hb2ws3pd2r]

We live in a flawed capitalist society; the problem is not the capitalist part, it's the flawed part. Flaws exist in all different economic systems - that doesn't change the fact that capitalism is still the best and fairest of them all. I'd rather live in a flawed capitalist society than a perfect socialist society.

[@lamjeri]

@@bunnyconcubus8468 How is that a lie? Socialism has been attempted multiple times throughout history and eventually, it was either forcibly removed via revolution, or you ended up with a tyrannical regime that nobody wants to live in. Greed, hunger for power and sadistical tendencies never magically disappear under any political regime and it's people with these traits that make the world suck.

[@cmumma13]

@@bunnyconcubus8468 how is it a lie. Humans are flawed creatures. We have both the potential of great good, but also great evil.

[@judelarkin2883]

I tried applying for unemployment in Wyoming during the “great recession” and was denied for some incoherent reason and Shazam I wasn’t unemployed according to the state of Wyoming who in turn reports to the federal government. I was young and it wasn’t a big deal but there are obviously people that really need that help to get by to the next job.

[@daffodil9075]

I don't think the unemployment statistics are collected that way, although this a common misconception.

[@judelarkin2883]

@@daffodil9075 you’re right. It’s also collected by the census bureau but the numbers are still not that great because the system relies on individuals being contactable, which biases employed people. There is a whole world of people out there that are not exactly homeless as one normally thinks of homelessness but still don’t have a stable phone or address.

[@Brand0n555]

I just recently switched jobs but due to feet dragging at my new job I had a week in between leaving my old job and starting my new one. After that week I was happy to finally do something productive again when I started. Now, taking a vaction in my eyes is different as I am taking time away from work to go do something I want to do which is productive to my mental health and gaining new experiences, but sitting at home with nothing planned for a week just playing games and watching movies gets old fast. I like doing those things but not all day every day. I like to go to work (I work in IT). It lets me show off my skill set and allows me to help others at my workplace do the things they need, and want to do.

[@alkane7876]

As someone who's socialist at heart but has trouble digesting and interpreting proper socialist theories much less the time to do so, this channel is a god send.

[@soman5348]

Same!

[@dinkyboss]

I’m totally an physicist at heart but I’ve never understood the subject so I totally understand

[@HotSkorpion]

On paper, both systems work. In practice, neither does. Mainly because they always forget to account for one things. People... People are greedy, selfish and will always find a way to take advantage of whatever they can get away with. Hence why capitalism leads to the 1% hoarding all the profits, and almost all purely socialist systems have led to autocratic systems... This is actually something that rarely gets mentioned, the economic system and the governing system are two different things. What usually prevents people from ever thinking of socialism and why it's so demonized is because almost all of them have been autocratic and dictatorial. Also, a full socialist system will lead to some people taking advantage of other people's work, as well as demotivate the top performers because if they get the same as everyone, why would they put in more effort in? Several experiments have already proven this fact. Without a select few willing to put in more than everyone else, Innovation slows down or halts. Only personal reward gets this done. The solution, I think, is a mixed system. Where people can keep the profits of their labour, and extra work gets extra reward and some ownership of means of production is allowed, except natural monopolies. BUT, some areas are off limits from being run for profit, such as healthcare, basic housing, and basic human needs. At the same time the Idea of unlimited growth needs to be put to rest, it is impossible without running over many people in the process. So that means that profits would need to be capped, as in, the CEO of a corporation would only be allowed to keep X ammount for themselves, before being obliged to reinvest the remaining back into society through HEAVY taxation. This is what would finance the basic needs such as health care.

[@seanosull2884]

As someone who has been unemployed (and had enough money) and is now employed in a job I genuinely enjoy, I feel so much more fulfilled and 'useful' for lack of a better word. Very few people are more content when unemployed, and this also applies to people living in countries with generous welfare systems.

[@yeetthesecond8806]

@@good4gaby nearly every study researching happiness has revealed that people are happier when they are working

[@dearjohn8789]

What job you gonna do in a socialist society?

[@yeetthesecond8806]

@@good4gaby well, I personally disagree as I believe everyone who is not addicted to drugs or gambling is able to sustain themselves honestly, I gotta admit, I completely agree with you on the study thing

[@yeetthesecond8806]

@@good4gaby wow that's so funny! I really prefer that you stay immature and mad instead of conjoining with me when I do something wrong and acknowledge it, because that way, I would be encouraged to continue doing the right thing in the future! you are so great

[@yeetthesecond8806]

@@good4gaby We love genuine arguments! I am so smart! hooray!

[@sirejelly]

If anyone needs proof that people will work without pay, archive of our own is a fan fic website with over 11 million fan fics that 99.9% were written for free

[@Applemangh]

I feel like a degree of socialism is necessary for capitalism to actually function the way "they" say it does. Capitalists like to say "if you don't like you're job, you can quit and find a better job, therefore only good businesses that treat their workers well will attract enough workers to survive." And that COULD be true if the workers in question could just up and leave bad jobs without the fear of homelessness or death. If you put out a decent safety net that guarantees the bare minimum needed to survive, suddenly everyone can safely quit abusive jobs and employers are actually forced, by the market, to improve or at least be decent. The same logic applies to the "vote with your wallet" argument. If you.

[@fenn_fren]

Voting with wallets is bullshit. When a company does a bad, it is usually only a vocal minority who are in the know of what exactly transpired. There will always be the diehard fanboys, and people who just don't care at all. Not to mention companies that usually make egregious missteps are just too large to realistically be hit in the face, most of the time. This reminds me of the current petrol prices. Everyone keeps saying that the gas giants are not going to ease up on them, because they full and well know that they can get away with it. Arguments of "we all should just stop buying petrol for like a month to really teach them a lesson" is nice an all, except who is, realistically speaking, going to do that? Yes, that's right. A vocal minority would. The most determined ones could go on for about a week or two, before eventually collapsing in on themselves. The rest? The more than 98% of all revenue? They straight up don't care. Yes, they will complain, but no, they will not take direct action. And honestly, I cannot blame them. In the society we've set up, it really is just too inconvenient.

[@blacklightredlight2945]

@@Tombstone_Active You think I'm going into being a therapist for the money? There's so many other fields where I'd make more for the masters/phd I need. Purpose doesn't need to be financial, that's just a perversion created by capitalism.

[@avokado1386]

@@Tombstone_Active well, luckily, second thought just released another video where he addresses exactly what you say and why it's nonsense :)

[@avokado1386]

@Naikomi europe is not a mix of socialism and communism, europe is capitalism. social democracies are, too, victims of capitalism and capitalists work overtime to erode the rights that were established by people fighting

[@gorkyd7912]

@@avokado1386 Just as baseless as this video probably...

[@thomasvanbesien6173]

It's so dumb to think people didn't work before money incentives, even today we work more because of guilt than because these jobs need to be done Nice video

[@gorkyd7912]

It's so dumb to think people will work 1/2 days at the same productivity in socialism. Even today there's socialism and the people living under it are either forced to work insane hours or they don't work at all because all their labor is seized.

[@Natali-gl3tl]

@@ecnalms851 that lasts only as long as passion/need exists. Adding financial gain and promoting inequality would just lead back to the current capitalist system where work isn’t for passion, but instead simply to be able to get richer

[@israilsalam2430]

So are you saying that Socialism won't give as much money as capitalism does and many people would be pleased about that kind of shit??

[@lot110]

@@ecnalms851 no

[@lot110]

@@israilsalam2430 How capital do you have?

[@dVector13]

I worked at a bank. What the bank wants their workers to do is do pointless calls, sell people things that they don't need, and get people to invest their life savings when it's their only cushion if something bad happens. The work that actually engaged me is trying to help them when they're hit with fraud and managing their accounts so that their lives are as a little bit less complicated and stressful. However, that stuff didn't make the bank money in the short term, and since I didn't solicit my friends and family to open new accounts or pressure people who already have accounts elsewhere to open an account with that bank, i didn't make my quarterly sales goals.

[@ramoneescobedo5820]

Survival of the fittest. Money is the only thing that matters in this world

[@avokado1386]

@@ramoneescobedo5820 that's why we want to change the world.

[@ChineduOpara]

Wells Fargo, right?

[@UncaAlbyGmail]

_"get people to invest their life savings when it's their only cushion if something bad happens."_ I'm just curious as to where you would have people keep their life savings, if not at a bank?

[@kevinvolk665]

@@ramoneescobedo5820 You're wrong. Value is what matters.

[@jehsi-]

Do you know haw many plumbers and bricklayers only working 1-2 hours a day you would need to support even a small city? Bruh get real.

[@Marxism_Today]

Beat me to making a video with this exact title 😵

[@SecondThought]

Haha take it, comrade! Can’t wait to see your episode ❤️

[@christiannorwik]

I hardly disagree with your idealism about socialism as most people from post communist countries. We tried this system it’s good on paper but fails when you take into consideration human factor. People tend to think that they would have their dream job but you will still be doing same thing but without benefits.

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

I don't know how many times I've heard a Capitalist owner or manager/supervisor say, "you aren't supposed to be working just for the money. You are supposed to love what you do." Meanwhile the entire point of Capitalism is for the business owner(s) to make as much money as possible from as little effort as possible. That is just efficient. But the workers aren't supposed to do the same. Edit to add because some people are morons and just want to blame specific people because they have been taught it is always someone's fault and not a problem with the system. I have never had this statement directed to me specifically. It has always been directed to or at the employee base as a whole. This has come from multiple managers/supervisors/directors/VPs across multiple companies. I have always gotten the best raises by changing companies. I currently make $60k a year.

[@joshbreidinger2616]

Why would anybody voluntarily work for someone else unless they were coerced into it? If someone didn’t care about the money and just loved what they do, then they’d start their own company so they could be on top. Having a boss over top of you only limits your decisions. Why would I voluntarily be giving part of my money to someone else unless I had to?

[@ronwisegamgee]

Last time I checked, I wasn't able to find how much my groceries cost in "love currency."

[@nadie8093]

Maybe thats just your manager trying to be nice you know

[@ortah2616]

@@nadie8093 Or manipulating you, either one.

[@taxthesocialist2602]

Sounds like you live in fairytale land. The world that existed before industrialization is no longer possible, unless a nuclear war sends up back to the stone age. Industrialization makes our entire modern world possible which means people must be WILLING to engage in the activities that ensure the system is maintained. You are free to live as the Amish and form your own communities if you reject industrialization. Go by land and live as you wish. No one is forcing you to be here. The Amish/Mennonite have thrived for hundreds of years both in America, Mexico and I believe in Canada as well.

[@HansKrause-k6r]

I for one, never stayed in a job for long. Once the boredom factor kicked in, off I ‘d go looking for something more challenging. The down side to this character trait is starting at the bottom of the pay rung again, so my income was never flash. I worked for a massive multinational for about 10yrs in electronics, got bored with that and went to work in sales, it didn’t take long, only 2yrs and off again. For the most part I worked for government and not for profits where it wasn’t so difficult to move laterally in positions I found more interesting. The capitalist ideal has always been something you have to participate in, to get by but not one of any interest to me for it’s inability to care for your fellow human being, capitalism pits one person against another to get a better profit line. To me, this has always been so well represented by the sign over Nazi concentration camps I.e. “Arbeit Macht Frei” (freedom though work) the similarity is uncanny. Mind you capitalism is a right wing ideology, not too far removed from right wing Nazism. I’m retired now and have more freedom, as this video points out, to sit and contemplate on how I see the construct of our being and can’t see any difference to the social hierarchy our hominid ancestors gained from their primate ancestors, always someone one top, dictating what happens in our lives. Religion, Feudalism, merchants, capitalism these are all one and the same. I would love to see the fundamentals of socialism in practice. Where we live within our means, in a collaborative way where everyone is accepted for their contribution. I should imagine things would have gone a lot better for Cuba if not for capitalist sanctions. The bastions of capitalism just couldn’t live with a thriving economy based solely on socialism on their doorstep. Although I’m not sure if you can call Cuba’s economic system as socialism as they have a centralised decision making processes and not collectively as socialism would attribute. Come on fellows, give it a go. You’re going to have to sooner than later. Capitalism has had its time and now it’s time to move over.

[@I.____.....__...__]

"So many good jobs available" presumes (1) they're _actually_ good jobs and not horrible unfulfilling wastes of time, (2) pay enough to make them worth it, (3) you can _actually get them_ i.e., are qualified for it and it's not in another city you can't move to and so on, (4) they aren't being snapped up by the countless people flooding into the country. But then, the kinds of people who use those lines don't think or care about details and facts, they just use it as a cop-out line to waive off valid criticism. 😒

[@magentialice]

working can be fun when you dont need to get money to live. As someone who has my parents supporting me financially I really like my restraunt job it honestly makes me sad that I probably wouldnt be able to support myself on that job alone.

[@heatherduke7703]

This is the other problem with capitalism. There's plenty of work I'd like to do, but that makes no money It also leads to the automation of the arts, which is insane because this is work people actually want to do! But it's being replaced by AI because skilled artist human beings are expensive 🤦‍♀️

[@Makeni-san]

“Nobody should be stuck working a job that a robot or an A. I. can do. People’s skills are meant for something greater; when it’s all said and done, that’s how we make the world a better place.” - Tadano, Aggretsuko Season 2

[@bzben9850]

A.I can do people skills better then people, now what?

[@kamm6001]

i wasnt expecting to see a quote from aggrestuko on here but its welcome

[@exodia_right_leg]

@@bzben9850 We chill. Go have some weed or something. Learn to make a better AI. Read a book. You have endless possibilities

[@vinsenliono7730]

@@bzben9850Then, by definition, nothing people do matters; so anyone can do whatever they want. Any productivity anyone would try to do would be dwarfed by AI.

[@Kaiyats]

I mean technically any job could be done by a robot like Detroit become human

[@ernyak97]

Hey man, I appreciate that you take your time to discuss stuff like this. I bet you have good intentions with this channel but i just can’t stay quiet about the videos of capitalism/ socialism like this one. Can you please investigate more about the atrocities of socialism/ communism in places like Cuba, Venezuela, etc… The cuban doctors part that you mentioned has nothing to do with what you said. The Castro regime would trade doctors to countries who will pay back to the Castros in money or whatever they negotiate for and doctors get a miserable “pay”. I’m talking about not enough to get basic needs for themselves. Imagine trying to sustain a family like that while you are doing mission outside your home country. Im Cuban my self, I saw with my eyes how doctors and any professional had to sell something or provide any other kind of service so they could make enough to get food ( when available) and other needs. You really didn’t convince (not saying you trying to) me of anything in this videos because all i heard was ideas that in paper work but who says that the government is not gonna just take all the profits and give misery to its inhabitants. I’ve seen it more than a couple of times by just watching how beautiful countries like my own home land get destroyed once a government with all these ideas in mind take over and start screwing people. Yes were all equal in Cuba, equally starving, equally suffering, equally miserable. Thanks you.

[@zachweyrauch2988]

Perspective makes all the difference in the world for something like this man. I know to you the lived reality is too harsh to look past at broader ideas but having grown up a rural canadian my lived reality has a dearth of issues that are getting pretty close to the same ones that you remember from cuba. I can get into some details if you want but i think whats important is you try and see who american socialists try to blame. We dislike the control and nepotism that our system enforces and obfuscates while actively lieing to us about choice and freedom. If you dont include the labels (capitalism/socialism) doesnt that problem sound about the same? You might think the reason your nation faced issues of corruption was a symptom of the socialist system but the corruption is wrecking my system too i think ours just happened slower cus we took all the money.

[@Thenineoh]

Honestly if I had enough money to retire early I'd still work every day. I'd just do something that'd give me fulfillment rather than just showing up to get paid money.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

I answer this question with another question - why would anyone want to work at all? The reality of work in a 21st century post-industrial society is that it’s little more than meaningless, repetitive tasks for over 90% of the work force: tasks that the corporate overlords are trying to get the working class to do for less and less compensation for their time and energy - causing many to ask why they doing this whole “work” thing in the first place! Sorry, but we don’t work for its own sake - we need work to have a point: some tangible benefit to us besides mere subsistence: any modern economic system (be it capitalist, socialist or something else) needs to take this into account - and it seems that most economic systems today are doing a woefully inadequate job on this matter…

[@wilberwhateley7569]

@PGH Engineer No one likes giving away labor for free - yet that’s precisely what happens in a corporate capitalist society: the surplus value of your labor value is siphoned off by the employers for a large profit - cheating you out of the fruits of your labor!

[@cerebrumexcrement]

exactly. we should be paid to play.

[@Cuberay1701]

In the German language there are two words for the english word "job". The first one is "job" like the english one it originates from and means work you do in order to get money. The second one ist the one more frequently used and originates from a german word which means something like destiny. You do this work not only because of the money you receive but also because it satisfys you in some kind of way. For example if you are a highly curious person and you work as a scientist, your job satisfys your curiosity, which is also a reason for you to do it. I think this little detail in language reveals much about the different attitude towards work in the german culture and for example the american. In my opinion this concept would become way more important in a socialist system when it comes to getting people to work. For sure this also doesn't work for all kinds of jobs, but I believe that it works for most jobs that can't be replaced by machines in the near future. I hope my English wasn't too bad and that you understand what I wanted to express.

[@MakaylaPaterson]

That’s really beautiful. I worked the first job for a long time, panic attacks before work, crying, I was miserable. I didn’t have to worry about healthcare because I’m not American, but I did have to worry about housing and food. That was stressful enough. Now I have the second job, of course I’m tired sometimes but I genuinely like my job and it satisfies my love of helping people. Edit: oh also, your English is great!

[@maxdewaele9660]

You made perfect sense! In english I have heard some people use the word "career" to mean work that they feel more connected to. Like a job is not part of your identity, but a career would be, if that makes sense.

[@alliewallace100]

I’d also suggest “vocation” as an english word for work that the worker is emotionally invested in. It has a somewhat less capitalistic connotation to me than “career” does, though they’re very similar!

[@kyle333halfevil]

Your English is fine but you did accidentally put the German spelling for "is" in the third sentence... So you know.

[@eliascommentonly4652]

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[@tallerdelashadas]

¡Gracias!

[@deldarel]

In my holiday I code for about 3 hours per day, 4 days per week. I work on solving the problems I want solved. This is inherently fulfilling. And honestly, this is the life. I'm close to graduating from uni and I dread having to face the work force, but I'm also done with academia. My ambitions are to upgrade to a more soundproof apartment where I'm allowed to install exterior window shutters to better manage the heat. Also to own this apartment rather than having to pay someone else for it (though of course I'd still pay for the upkeep of the exterior and the general area) I'm not a simple person with simple needs, but my material needs are.

[@mriraniniceguy9209]

There is no „owning a House“ in socialism.

[@Wezqu]

@@mriraniniceguy9209 You can have personal property under socialism and that does include house/apartment that you live in.

[@deldarel]

@@Wezqu yup, 'property is theft' refers only to the means of production. However, a case can be made that it refers to everything that you don't personally use. Like 'you can only own something as long as you use that thing'. This would mean that you can only really 'own' one home. You can own all the food you want, you gotta make sure to eat it though. Factory owners don't use the machines in it, the workers do. Edit, besided: my dream for myself doesn't require socialism. If I were to release a crazy popular piece of software, I could live the dream I described. I'm not counting on it of course, but still. I don't require socialism for that. I require socialism for anyone to be able to live like that

[@jborrego2406]

@@mriraniniceguy9209 oh no that means rent that increase all the damn time

[@paumasabad8059]

@@jborrego2406 rent and prices don't rise under socialism, It is only under capitalismo where greedy real state owners artificially raise rent

[@barnabuskorrum4004]

The same reason my mom will clean any room shes in. Need to do something. You're telling me without some rich guy giving you minimum wage, ud wake up and just sit there? Lol. Wake up.

[@BD-yl5mh]

I might for a couple months lol, but then I might get to actually consider what I want to do and am good at etc and not just stay in my shit job for fear of homelessness

[@KyouTGD]

They ask "who would work if everyone's needs are met," but that leads to another question. If no one works, how are anyone's needs met? If no one farms, everyone starves. Someone will farm, because they want food, and because it's simply more efficient, they'll make enough food for a lot of other people too. Everyone will do the work they need for themselves, and also for other people.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

But the quantity of work could be vastly reduced will still meeting everyone's needs.

[@KyouTGD]

Of course. There would be less work, especially with automation being purposed for letting us work less instead of making our work "more profitable." Eventually there might be not be enough work left for anyone to do. So then what? People would do nothing and be bored? Maybe. Or they'll find something else to do. Some new way to produce or perform something to make other people's lives better. We would work because we want to, to make our lives better, and to make people happy.

[@rickb3650]

You've been misinformed on purpose. Someone will farm because they love to farm. Someone will learn physics and make discoveries in physics because that's what they want to do. Someone will make art because that's what they love to do. Someone will pick up the trash because they like doing that too. Some areas will have to be incentivized with greater rewards or less time spent doing it, but there are always enough people who want to do things you don't want to do, to do the things that must be done.

[@EpicMicky300]

holy god there is so much naivety and hand waving in this video. "Despite a scarcity, we will have innovation and improvement cause people will want to work." How can you honestly claim that with a straight face?

[@red-brat]

Wow. That's the first time I see the correct representation of socialism outside of Russian infofield. We in Russia have a bunch of channels like yours. Never thought I'll see one coming from the imperialistic core. In USA and Europe "leftism" is just another word used to describe right-wing ideas - that situation should be fixed, people should know what the left ideas are. Keep it up, comrade!

[@mikeystir3333]

I've had these same ideas specifically related to automation and the incentivisation of work with capitol. however you worded this so well. I finally feel like someone gets whats been bugging me about money and jobs and automation hate. this got me to subscribe

[@K-----]

The automation argument was too generalized. While it is true that a lot of jobs are easier to find people for, it is also widely true that a robot is cheaper over time. Also, "moving the job", isn't always possible. This is especially true in most first world countries where the majority of jobs are in services and not goods. Also I found that the entire arguement wasn't based on data or facts. While a lot of what was said had truth, it also doesn't mean that X IS Y which is how most of the video was worded. A lot of what was stated bad about capitalism could be changed and has been changed for the better through capitalistic ideas. I like the ideas brought up, but the presentation was far from a reasonable one if being serious. This felt more like a Reddit thread reply than a video made to inform and possibly persuade.

[@thepessimisticoptimist9375]

He really did. Amazing forward thinking take on the economic pitfalls of the daily worker.

[@davidt8087]

Please SHARE THIS. EVERYONE. ITS TIME TO STOP YOUR OWN ABUSE, ENSLAVEMENT, AND EXPLOITATION. TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO TELL THEIR WORKING CLASS FRIENDS AND FAMILIES TO UNITE WITH THEIR COWORKERS AND STAND UP AGAINST THEIR BOSSES/CEO'S AND END THEIR OWN ENSLAVEMENT AND EXPLOITATION BY DEMANDING THE PAY YOU WANT, AND GETTING IT BY REDUCING THE INSANELY HIGH PAY (100S OF TIMES.MORE) THAT CEO'S, AND SHAREHOLDERS GET. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, SALARY WORKERS DO 99% OF THE WORK AND PRODUCE 99.9% OF THE MONEY YET GET LESS THAN 1% OF IT. ENOUGH OF YOUR OWN EXPLOITATION. STOP BEING AFRAID AND TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW AND DONT KNOW AND TEAM UP WITH EVERYONE AT UR WORKPLACE. DONT BE AFRAID OR GREEDY. STAND UP AND SHUT THESE GREEDY EXOPLITERS DOWN FOREVER. WE NEED TO TAKE CONTROL OF HOW MONEY IS PASSED AROUND FROM THE TOP 1%. WE ALSO NEED TO PUNISH ANYONE WHO ARTIFICIALLY CAUSES INFLATION BY RAISING PRICES WHEN WE DO GET THE PAY WE WANT (FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU MAKE $40K YOU SHOULD GET $120K BECAUSE ITS EASILY POSSIBLE AND DOABLE FOR MOST CORPORATIONS THEY'RE JUST BEING GREEDY AND $120K A THREE TIMES INCREASE IS CONSERVATIVE), BY PREVENT ING THE PRICE INCREASERS FROM EVER DOING BUSINESS BECAUSE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. THE FEW HAVE DESTROYED THE WORLD AND OPPRESSED THE REST FOR TOO LONG.

[@TheOnlyCaprisun]

I love your mix of humour plus the solid information and rebuttals to counterarguments. The production quality is extremely great! I am not in the material position to donate, but I still do very highly recommend your channel to others!

[@SecondThought]

Thanks so much! I appreciate your kind words ☺️

[@TheOnlyCaprisun]

@@SecondThought No problem!

[@lav1106]

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