What actually CHANGED with Yu-Gi-Oh!

The game of Yu-Gi-Oh has changed a lot and I wanted to make a video talking about it, because I think a lot of people are missing what makes Yu-Gi-Oh so great.
/ theaveragestream
/ veragegatsby
#yugioh #YuGiOhDuelLinks #YuGiOhMasterDuel

[@aliesterus1.023]

"Dragunity" Completely ignoring the insanity Infernity could produce even during 5d's era, huh? Archfiend is often cited as being singlehandedly the reason why hard once per turns are so ubiquitous now.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

YES FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONED A ACTUALLY RELEVANT ARCHETYPE. You are correct. Archfiend and launcher at 3 were CRAZY for 2010. I honestly overlooked them because I was more focused on the field spell being a single card that actively sent and searched straight from deck. Infernity is a great example.

[@aliesterus1.023]

@@TheAverageGatsby Honestly? Was potentially crazy up until Nibiru released. Or at least at the start of when Links were introduced. When Firewall dropped in the OCG I tested what triple Archfiend and triple Launcher would do to the game if they went first. A field of monster negates, three Barrier in the backrow, and Firewall providing a compulse was a pretty consistent occurrence.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

​@@aliesterus1.023It was pretty funny when Infernity came back for "black infernity" and "blue infernity". What changed, oh well it's the same strategy, but there are different cards in the extra deck. Referring to cards lacking a HOPT as "5D's era" cards is hilarious. Now Bystials "keep the strategy in check", but with Creepy Little Punk I have a hard time believing that it's the last we will see from that deck. Especially after seeing Launcher come back to 3 in the OCG earlier this morning.

[@aliesterus1.023]

@@TheAverageGatsby I mean, I'm almost certain that Infernity is always at the back of Konami's mind when making new cards. The last time they got support, it just screamed "We are perfectly aware this archetype is one of two cards away from becoming absolutely broken, and we're absolutely terrified of allowing that to happen". Hell, look at how long Archfiend got stuck on the limited list. I'm sure it'll be a long while before we see someone doing something that breaks them again.

[@thekittenfreakify]

Resource loop. Now engines are 1 card starters with some form of recovery.

[@theazuredemon4854]

That "For those of you who aren't currently collecting Social Security" felt VERY personal for some reason...

[@Roman_Ray]

In Germany we even got the "go to school, go to university and take a student loan, be canceled your fathers support and get fired at your student job simultaneously which were both calculated in into the student loan, now lack money to study, cancel studying and now you went 18 years into an education system to be in huge dept and guess what jobs there are. SAY HI TO MINIMUM WAGE!"-kind of variety. I could have minimum waged after class 5 preschool (that's not even finished - so what?) I did more than 13 years more. MINIMUM WAGE! "Hey! Let me introduce myself to you my name is social welfare. Basically you get 100€ less than minimum wage, but you won't have to do 4x40h labor per month". Social welfare it is. "Bürgergeld" without your signature under the "Eingliederungsvereinbarung" cannot be "made less". If you find any way to make 100€ in less than 4x40h, your basically better off, though it's slightly controversial. Look dude I went 18 years to school and you try to rip me off? And now you complain when my grandma gives me 50 bucks for helping her?

[@dream4329]

This game is so fun, waiting 15 minutes for my turn just to get negated out of existence. If i brick first turn gg, if i dont have handtraps gg 15 minutes of my time wasted

[@zytha2890]

i dont mind it when i have maxx C tbh i've forced people to exodia themselves with it because i refuse to become a meta slave and choose to play exodia cards (except necross and exxod because of how inconsistent they are) if they want to be stupid and spam monsters for 15 mins then i'll just exodia them

[@madambutterfly1997]

After Takahashi's passing I'm not sure what hasn't changed about Yu-Gi-Oh

[@Rabid_Bonsin]

"Schrodinger's Nibiru" lol What an excellent way to describe the Nibiru Minigame.

[@justsomeguywithlasereyes9920]

I'd rather get a Singleplayer YGO like Tag Force and play that instead, and boy do I wish Konami made one again already, at this point thats the only way they'll get any money from me.

[@shigesohma]

Gonna have to settle for solo mode in master duel until that miracle happens.

[@Wiiwillrockyouup]

Great video. The biggest roadblock I've faced with convincing my friends to get back into Yu-Gi-Oh! is certainly the pacing of the game. Not even five years ago, we were still playing 4-5 turn duels at locals, now it really is very flippy. Combo decks really took over the whole game design despite there being some very substantial control decks out there. My friends are typically braindead timmy-lovers, so they're having no fun playing aggro decks at the moment. I'm really ready for a new format in the future with hyper-limited handtraps and generic extra deck support. I just want to try it and see how it works out; Barronne should be a boss monster, not something everyone can shit out. Part of me feels like this started with Crystal Wing, but I know it was before that. However, Crystal Wing is really when it became apparent to me that the game was completely different than it used to be, and it's become a product that a lot of people just don't find entertaining. I think my best point to make is this: In a tier-0 format, what separates Yu-Gi-Oh! from Chess? The diversity of decks and the multitude approaches to deckbuilding are what made Yu-Gi-Oh! fun for me and my friends, a control deck that splats three backrows and one monster should be as potent as a zoo-tier combo board, and that should be as potent as a board breaking aggro play for game. The endgoal should be to increase turns to a healthier 4-6 per duel, reduce turn time, and increase diversity in deck representation. How you get there is another conversation, but that is where we should go towards.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

Honestly, I've always held the viewpoint that making the extra deck more and more generic has changed the game in the worst possible way. In a just world, Baronne would require wind monsters, and I'm totally not biased as a resident speedroid enjoyer. I'm curious about how deck strategies will change in the coming years with gameplay becoming more grind heavy.

[@jerfuhrer2581]

Baronne should require Fleur Synchron

[@geek593]

It all comes back to PePe. The OCG designers seemed to think it should be the blueprint for how all decks should play forever and I'm still baffled as to how they came to that conclusion. A mishmash of uninteractive combo slop that ended on a bunch of shilled generics that instantly scooped if the opponent top decked the specific silver bullet leaving everyone unsatisfied no matter who won.

[@MorbiusSlayer]

Fun fact, there was actually as much time between the conception of yugioh and goat format as there was between goat format and duelist alliance.

[@rCrypto_Frog4148]

DUEA yugs was prefect speed for the game. nowadays its a bit too fast. They need to limit the amount of summons per turn baked into the rules.

[@cools-mc-fools]

@@rCrypto_Frog4148 that would kill more then half the decks in the game, and most of those decks aren't even unfair

[@wickd6878]

​@@cools-mc-foolsand those decks killed the decks that couldn't. What's the difference?

[@4x_AE]

fun fact: the a in ba stands for italian

[@cools-mc-fools]

@@wickd6878 that was like, slowly over time, what crypto frog is suggesting is a sweeping rule change that would make even bad decks like flower cardian stop working completely. it turns out if you have unlimited special summoning baked into a game, the people making the game design around that.

[@renaldyhaen]

Please Konami, just make a permanent format like Legend Anthology in Master Duel. A format where most hand traps and generic boss monsters are banned. I know it is not perfect, but at least I do not always see Baronne de Fleur with different flavors every time. Goat or EDISON isn't enough for me. We also have a modern trash deck for every release. You cannot play them in older formats, but it is also unplayable against other modern decks. . This game really needs a low-power format. Because every year, usually there are only 2-3 dominant decks. And the other 5+ new decks become wasted potential because they're "too weak" against the META.

[@geasskira28]

They should free circ.

[@tsohgallik]

Why isn't that card at 1? 😅

[@UTgohan]

I been playing since the games release, the Gx era was my favorite time to play the game wasn’t to fast with extra deck monsters but it wasn’t as slow as goat although I do like goat and Edison

[@redmirrow8913]

The first time i went to i had people ask me what Im gonna build, i said Lavals, got some of the pieces i needed given to me like that thanks to that, so far best i did was a 2-2 against floo, rda, snake eyes and voiceless. Where vs voiceless it was more of a handtrap showoff, if he had 3 hts on my turn he'd win, if i had 3 I'd win Enjoyed the locals and am gonna play lavals again

[@TheAverageGatsby]

Laval in 2024. Criminally based.

[@oscarnator2324]

I’m content with Edison being how I play the game. This last year I’ve spent close to £300 getting all the cards I need to play almost every strategy I want. I just wish it was pushed more in an official manner. Liked I’d like Edison on master duel or something. Or sets with fun rarity bumps for Edison cards so I can have the fun of buying sealed again.

[@arthurfleck4320]

As much as I love Yugioh, it will never be MTG levels of huge again like it was in the 2000s and very early 2010s. We need to face that facts that Yugioh's peak of popularity has long since passed.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

I mean, record attendance numbers at YCS events, but go off? Until recently, with Konami suddenly showing no love to European players, the game has been booming. Most likely due to the TCG spikes from Covid. It's good to point out how yugioh won't be MTG levels of huge again. Considering how much backlash WotC has been catching off of printing, I don't think 2020's MTG is 2000's MTG levels of quality. Who knows, maybe this is what my dad was saying during 2000's MTG about 80/90's MTG

[@Ayumu88]

@@TheAverageGatsby Record attendance numbers for YCS events, yet, local game stores are closing. Of course there is record attendance for YCS events because people have spent anywhere from $500-$1000 on a meta relevant deck. They want to get their moneys worth. Konami continues to pump out new product every 2 months with nothing but filler in them, local game stores are not stocking their products because they don't move and simply rot on the shelves. All card games experienced high levels of interest due to the free money that was pumped out via stimulus checks, unemployment, and PPP loans. This wasn't exclusive only to yugioh. The only card game that seems to grow and attract new players is Pokemon as they still have a successful TV show. Konami knows that they can't get new players and that's why they are extorting the remaining players with expensive meta decks.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

​@@Ayumu88 Yep, LGS closing purely off YGO sales, if only they had stocked any other card game. Outside of the outliers of Snake-Eyes and S:P Little Knight, the game has seen significant moves to be more friendly pricewise than it has been in years. Deck Builder sets usually get delayed interest pending 2nd wave support which is not great, but core/side sets have been doing great. Rarity Collection was arguably the greatest set of all time, and is planned to have a 2nd one due to how well the sales went. Anyone could tell you that TCG Spike during Covid was a very real. If you want an actual argument on how Konami is showing their hand, it's that we are seeing a HUGE push for retro support in the coming sets. Why extort a few players with shiny cardboard on the 2nd hand market, when they could key jingle for a wider audience who get excited to see retrains of old vanilla monsters with a set revolving around Exodia.

[@superkh12]

100% agree. The real "Hay Day" of Yugioh is definitely behind us.

[@Narrative_Ink]

MTG isn't even that good of a game. It's just the oldest and because of that it's the most popular. People complain about how Konami treats it's players but Wizards and Hasbro don't even care about anything but profit.

[@randomprotag9329]

aside from essays of card text regardless of how unique a card functions and powercreep making the only yugioh from go from fairly balanced game play pace to vintage magic. there's the core issue is the generic extra deck, ED is a broken place to put cards into making even 800 burn create slang. the genericness means that decks become good stuff.dek while a non generic extra deck would balance better as the play of can be carefully controlled when the ED needs the archetype to make it/ make use of it.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

I had a stroke reading that, but yeah, filling the extra deck with a generic pile of assholes was a mistake. I've always held the stance that XYZs making it to where you should almost always be on a 15 card ED was a bad choice design. wise.

[@randomprotag9329]

@@TheAverageGatsby XYZ were the start of the generic. they at least needed specific levels if they were non attribute or archetype locked so at least every deck could not splash in big eye

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@randomprotag9329 completely separate of the rank 5 and 7 engines, early on we mostly just showcased an over reliance on the rank 4s that made any deck playing level 4s just devolve into the same game plan. I really didn't care for it. At the very least synchros made you change main deck cards to include tuners. It wasn't awful, but imo it did open the floodgates. Might be a video worth making honestly.

[@walterlopez5054]

i liked 2010s yugioh because back then my back didnt hurt and rent wasnt 3/4ths of my monthly income.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

"Man, $500 WANTED Engine, but I really WANTED $500." It hurts all over.

[@Igniskidd]

I expected another stardust road joke.. but this is good too ;)

[@davidcottin1203]

As someone who is studying to become a game designer myself I found this to be very informative. I can see your points and understand them, but I do think from an accessibility point of view yugioh is currently failing. It’s really difficult to get new people who have never heard of it into the game because most people don’t want to spend the time learning the complexity. As you pointed out in your video, yugioh was a very different game 10 years ago than it is today. …which makes me wonder just how sustainable it really is. If the game has changed this much in 10 years, what do you think another 10 years will do to it? How much more powercreep is there going to be for the purposes of selling new cards? A lot of games can end as early as turn 2 or 3 - and there’s a gimmick puppet FTK on the horizon. I’m worried that as the game progresses it will become increasingly more and more sacky until no one wants to play it anymore.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

Complexity is such a tricky thing. If it's too simple, it's solved by the end of the week and no one wants to play. Too complicated, well then you end up like Artifact, a game that (imo) was excellent, but so overly complicated that it died immediately. If I had to pick a perfect level of complexity it would be somewhere between early Digimon and Marvel Snap. From what I've been told Digimon has spiraled out of control with power level, and Marvel Snap has done everything they can to punish newer players who didn't purchase the season pass by destroying collector's tokens/caches. I'm taking a break from the current ygo format because of how overwhelming Snake-Eyes is, but outside of Snake-Eyes the format is pretty cool. In terms of the puppet FTK, I'm shocked that the field spell was allowed to be printed, I'm interested to see what ends up happening with that when it comes to the OCG. Especially when you realize that unlike any other FTK, it is 100% in archetype, and the deck was allowed to have a number of custom cards because of how laughably bad the strategy was prior.

[@caswellweird]

tangiental to what was said about the starter pack: the ships long since sailed but ive always felt rush duels are a fantastic bridging of the casual newcomer and competitive longtimer. its power sealing is low and easy to comprehend with tons of recognizable favorites from the most popular eras while also not being a format based around war of attrition and teaching players the importance of good deck ratios with its inherent mechanics and speed. the only thing it really lacks as far as training people is the removal of chains which admittedly is a huge part of defining skilled strategizing in YGO.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

MY MAN. My first reaction to rush duel was, "oh wow who the hell cares." But after playing a tiny bit of it in Duel Links, I have no idea why they won't print Rush in paper. I'm hopeful the Duel Links sales put some faith into Konami that it's a product people would be willing to purchase.

[@geek593]

@@TheAverageGatsbyThe TCG market is in a horrible place right now and the kinds of people who would play Rush in NA would rather play it digitally. The upside for competing with themselves in Japan makes sense. There are kids who play TCGs there. Not so much in the West where card games are mostly a teen to early thirties thing.

[@ivancito7790]

Nah man. I got to play GOAT format in MD, and that opened my eyes to how much better Yugioh used to be, and that it wasn’t rose tinted glasses or nostalgia. There was just more opportunities for play and decision making. Where smart decisions accumulate and compound into a victory. Then, after that event ended. One bullshit loss too many to the latest flavor of intentionally overpowered deck of the season: Snake-Eyes, I got tilted and deleted MD for good after two years of playing. I don’t intend to ever come back unless Konami makes 2004 format official. I’m done. Modern game is garbage, and the rest is pure copium. Only modern format I had fun with was Tear 0 because it was the only one that was actually interactive.

[@zyroberk]

>Tear >Interactive cope

[@ivancito7790]

@@zyroberk >cope I don't have to. I'm not the one playing Yugioh.

[@Narrative_Ink]

Go play magic the gathering. That's basically what old Yu-Gi-Oh was just worse

[@ivancito7790]

@@Narrative_Ink >go play a totally pozzed game with ugly art that abandons mechanics entirely after one set Nah, I'm good pham.

[@Narrative_Ink]

@@ivancito7790 Ugly art? I mean I'm not the biggest fan of MTG but you gotta admit the art is fantastic. The older art not as good, but the new art is fantastic. The reason I said that is because old YGO is just an MTG clone.

[@ramihrduswi1646]

YUGI KAIBA FORMAT HATE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED

[@dukeofhaggard9450]

EXODIA! OBLITERATE THIS FOOL!

[@Sp3llmen]

I miss 2014-15 yugioh a lot

[@esekay3648]

Ty.

[@jamesmyco103]

Nice video. Master Duel, despite its flaws, is a good way for new players interested in the game to learn yugioh thanks to the effects resolving by themselves. I think many critics overlook how big that aspect of Master Duel is compared to paper, especially for new players (I have no idea how Duel Links feels since Ive never played it before).

[@TheAverageGatsby]

Honestly, for as much fun as I had with Duel Links, it's awful. It is insanely expensive to keep up with and paired with event gated characters/skills/cards. Sometimes you are just unable to play certain strategies. But it makes Konami a boatload of money, so that will likely never change.

[@tcoren1]

6:24 divine temple is not a one card starter, although it two card combos with nearly every non handtrap in the deck

[@TheAverageGatsby]

Ngl, I thought I put a 1.5 next to that, but it almost needs another term. A "1.75 card starter" with how wide open it is.

[@hyoroemongaming569]

That bit about Konami intended direction in 2010-11 blew my mind. Coupled with DL skills. It is about who can figure best combo and play with it. They went overzealous with generic negation

[@americantimemachine7128]

I'm just wondering when the last time the average player had a turn 4 was

[@ThaRealElementX]

If they their design philosophy is consistentcy then why do they have a banlist to constantly nerf that consistency. Is that all the game is based around? Actually i think power creep is their philosophy. Theres no way they just ban the broken cards then release an even more powerful deck in its place.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

Like most tcgs, I think power creep is their buisness model

[@Zetact_]

I don't think that Konami WANTED Yugioh to be a game where your entire play lines are completely consistent, it was just the natural evolution of a variety of small mistakes they made that honestly were not something that they could have forseen because TCGs were actually still relatively unexplored throughout the game's life cycle. Yu-Gi-Oh is basically the poster child for why searching (or really most methods of directly interacting with a card of your choice in the deck - adding it to hand, putting it in GY, or placing it directly on field) is generally not a good mechanic to have in a card game and its really showing that when we've got an upcoming deck that can FTK off a single card simply because of how much searching the game has. Thing is that by the time this was an identifiable problem (roughly around the time Ash Blossom was printed) there were so many decks that had a ton of searching so Ash Blossom was more like a band-aid, even if they stopped making search cards after that point all it would do is hurt product sales because, you know, gotta drive power creep. And to that level, with newer decks Ash only made them MORE consistent because being able to play through Ash was required for the deck to be viable. I don't mean to say that the huge shift in the game was specifically Maximum Crisis, just that was when Konami realized what they created and realized, "This might have been a misstep." It's why when Konami made Rush Duel, they still haven't added any search cards or, to the best of my knowledge, not even any cards that would necessitate shuffling the deck. Every card that interacts with the deck only looks at the top cards of the deck and either sends them to the GY or returns them to the bottom by design. It's fascinating and I think it's something that most newer card games are doing and it's largely because they realized from Yu-Gi-Oh that full deck searches make the games TOO consistent and also slow down paper play with a need to shuffle at least once every turn. Even Adamancipator for all its faults of being an obnoxious solitaire deck is interesting in that it limiting its search to "excavate top 5 cards" instead of just "special summon a Rock-type from deck" force it to play a LOT more in-engine cards than decks that can just search (I'm counting the non-tuner Rocks that they run over their lackluster archetypal ones as 'in-engine') and honestly the deck lost most of its steam not because their strategy in general got hit but because the repeatable searches they got via Block Dragon got banned.

[@hasmanking]

I recently got back in to yu gi oh after like 10 years i stopped around zexel even though i saw new things that came along like pendulum and link i never gt back in to it until i downloaded master duel recently, and so far its been like hell. in one turn the opponent summons like 50 times and im left in the second turn wondering what to do, games are so short they dont last longer than 4 min its not as fun but im still addicted and determined to play but i dont want to play like people do in the meta its not fun to me.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

I'd say check out the "how to approach yugioh" video I threw up where I suggest picking a linear strategy that looks appealing. If you're trying to avoid playing the combo game, I'd suggest playing a blind second deck where you just dome your opponent with things like Kaijus and board breakers. Playing on a different axis of play could throw someone else off theirs. If they are expecting balls to the walls combo, and they get paired against something like Stun/Burn/Floo chances are they aren't going to have a good time. If you're looking for something that interacts more with lower to the ground combo, check out Runick or Sky Striker. They don't necessarily play huge combo lines, but more look more to out resource grind your opponents.

[@itsmanalo]

Inzektors forever BEST DECK BB LETS GOOOOO🎉

[@sun332s7]

Damn this video was really well written. Good job

[@user-vl8ck4gz6w]

Idk I like current yugio and this since 2014 (except 2017/18 were the worst)

[@Potpie_king]

Phew I was scared that this would be a Yugi boomer talking about how GOAT best format. And the Edison term is based and good :)

[@MaggieMop]

This was a great vid man deserves way more views

[@danielramsey6141]

Honestly. I don’t Miss Old Yugioh. Still, if I had to choose. I’d choose the Speed Duel Format again. Just So Long As I can still My Favorite Archetype. Cubics! I can understanding Banning the Legit Boss of the Deck! But at the Same time, I wouldn’t mind having Cubics as a way to play.

[@sigiligus]

I don’t think yugioh has any unique barriers to entry for a TCG. The problem is TCG’s themselves. Conceptually, they’re a children’s hobby that are supposed to make money off of selling booster packs for kids trying to find cards they want. But for adults, you just buy single cards to build whatever deck you want. And given the market, TCG’s are always basically forced to constantly introduce new mechanics and ban old cards to a) keep giving people a reason to buy them, and b) keep the game interesting enough to play instead of just ending up with everyone everywhere always playing the same couple of decks for all time. The fact is, it was never meant to be a hobby for adults who take it extremely seriously. Especially Yugioh and Pokémon, were based on a manga for children and a video game for children. All the problems with TCG’s can ultimately be reduced to this fact.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

People are naturally competitive, while buisness naturally need to make money. Rotating formats are probably the only real option to avoid power creep, but even then, you risk losing players if you don't have gameplay that changes it up from time to time. It's a difficult balancing act.

[@Narrative_Ink]

I've figured it out. Yugioh isn't actually a trading card game. Yugioh is a puzzle rhythm game where you have to put out he right combo and complete it while outsmarting your opponent. It's all about making the perfect protagonist anime move combo before the other person.

[@literallygrass1328]

Omg he uploaded

[@TaLeng2023]

Maybe they can have Legacy Duel formats like in DL (though it's really only DM and GX era).

[@TheAverageGatsby]

I would like to think alt formats like tengu plant or fire and water formats would take off big if given the attention from konami on Master Duel.

[@zytha2890]

i've come up with a solution exodia you can just force your opponent to make you play 21 pick up if they decide they want to spam out their deck for 30 mins till they kill themselves with exodia's effect edit: forgot to say you need 3 maxx C to do this enjoy

[@anisothmen3712]

I can't play anymore . And yes 2 years old decks are not viable in Yugioh . You always have to play the last 3 decks

[@magmatard8737]

The only real issue with the newer types of cards like xyz, link, pendulum are that just by looking at them they're kind to learn how these fit in without having it explained. After I looked into it it's pretty simple but at the same time there is just a lot of text that can get overwhelming to the uninitiated.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

I'm not going to lie. After playing with Links, my only complaint is that tokens should have never been an option as a material without specifically mentioning it on the card. I understand Pendulums now, but I'd be lying if I said they were as intuitive to use.

[@EinSilverRose]

@@TheAverageGatsby oh god I'm with you on the tokens. I think Konami only allowed tokens to be Link material because of how weak the early Link monsters were and that problem only got worse as time went on.

[@Wolvie287]

Can we just go back to old gen sets , with Exodia , Dark Magician , Blue Eyes , and Red Eyes. That's it period

[@Astreon123]

4:41 lunalight??

[@TheAverageGatsby]

came out in 2016.

[@some2043]

i don't know how old the script is but konami is killing it with pendulum lately vaalmonica places the scales playing around anti-spell and diabelze and the free agent that doubles as half cyber dragon infinity

[@TheAverageGatsby]

As with all the deckbuilder sets, I'm always uncertain how I feel. Konami keeps releasing these half finished archetypes that are missing major engine pieces. Then, a few months down the line get literal custom cards. As for Vaalmonica, it's probably one of the coolest pen strategies to date because it actually does something interesting with the zones. I'm waiting to see if it ends up being something worth looking at after it gets the new support it so desperately needed, but I'm not holding my breath.

[@EinSilverRose]

@@TheAverageGatsby good lord Do I wish Exosisters got custom cards. Martha and Returnia are nice but they really did not need those archetype restrictions. Or at least just making them Xyz only restrictions or something. Ah well. It is my favorite deck so I'll keep playing them until they ban Shifter because it was bullying Snake-Eyes once on a YCS stream.

[@thewalkingdude0136]

kuchen format is alright even though i still get stomped on for playing monarchs

[@EinSilverRose]

I got curious the other day and started to look up Snake-Eyes combos to see how many times the deck Special Summons since I'm also a big advocate for Maxx C at 3 in the TCG. As it turns out the typical Fire King Snake-Eyes combo conducts around 14 Special Summons in one turn if the opponent doesn't have any form of interruption. With one Snake-Eyes Ash. jesus christ This kind of stuff just makes those "draw the out" cards way more saccy than most people think they are since you either draw the out or push through the opponent's board with your own 1 card combos. It's just a bad back and forth we've had for a while.

[@esekay3648]

Maxx c forces the smalls brains to make hard decisions like not spamming. I think it should be at 3 too. And all thes monster with negations and handtrap negates should be banned. Give everything a hard once per turn as a master rule and you have just fixed a major problem with yugioh. From there you have to limit extra deck cards (ban some also) , and what you will be left with is a card pool that punishes anyone from over extending. Then we can put the solemns back to one and over powerful blow out cards cane be put back in check... Also we have to address the flooding of archtypes, the prevent players from actually buidling decks as it constraints them to think the only way they can play a deck is if they all have the same name essientially.

[@kindlingking]

​@@esekay3648small brains? Then of course you're a "big brain", a better player than those meta sheep spammers? Considering some of the best players of both TCG and OCG vehemently hate the roach and want it to stay/be banned, you must be a prodigy of sorts with a ton of big win (WCS, invitationals, cups, MD, etc)? No? Okay. How many time do we have to go through this? Maxx C doesn't stop anything, it just makes the game worse for everyone by introducing a random "just win" button into the mix. How can you say Maxx C slows down the game or keeps anything in check when OCG with it's combo deck meta is right here. Time and time again. You people are either delusional or so bad at the game resolving Maxx C is literally the only way you can win against any half decent player.

[@esekay3648]

@@kindlingking you can go through it as many times as you want doesnt make it true. Maxx c is only a random win against small brain spam. And even then is only as good as the other hand traps your play, as it cannot stop anything on its on. Maxx c is neccessary if everyone wants to spam. Doesnt mattet who likes it. It keeps spam im check , better than any other card, but it doesnt negate and gives your opponent the option. Its as fair of a card as you can get but your complaining... If i remove every other hand trap and unban maxx c, is he still a problem? Or will the evident problem be the spamming of "Random" negates and "interruptions" that arent traps and inherently ruined the game. You appeal to the authority i think for myself this is why your a small brain. The mob mentality is usually incorrect.

[@esekay3648]

@@kindlingking id smoke you and you wouldnt get a turn tbh. I know your the type of lame player that has to rely on handtraps to win. You are whats wrong with the game but dont see it. But thats neither here nor there. If noone spams maxx c doesnt work. Simple as that. You dont have to spam.

[@esekay3648]

@@kindlingking i responded they deleted. Maxx c is only as good as the hand rraps that surround it. The real problem is spamming and random negates.

[@Cybertech134]

We're not wearing rose-tinted glasses. We're wearing normal glasses and can see just how shit the game has become compared to what it was. Not all change is good nor justified.

[@Christopher-tz3mr]

What changed yugioh....the ban list, players trying to cheat their way to victory, etc. What happened to classic style? Combining spell cards with monster cards to increase their strength, using field spells that just enhance certain monsters and/or weaken others and don't create gimmicks. Today's yugioh is only about one thing chaining monster effects to clear board and using spell cards to search for these monsters and/or special summoning them straight to the field from the DECK or hand or summoning a monster who can negate cards to prevent opponent from actually defending from a 1 turn kill.

[@Wolvie287]

They need to ban Evenly Matched and Baronne Flur

[@jtalkalot19]

This was a great video. Keep it up. One thing I would also put out is that yugioh players are NEVER happy. For anything, which is why I roll my eyes about most complaints these days. And yet here the same people who complain, I'll still see them at tournaments. I know the snake eye menace is off-putting, but the game is really accessible and if people have actually been paying attention to the regional scene, it's been a lof more open than they think.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

I am taking a break from the game currently, but outside of Snake-Eyes being head and shoulders above every other deck in the room, I think the format is pretty neat. Even The Snake-eyes deck is pretty cool. Moving into interactive removal is so much more interesting than comboing for 15 minutes to set up >5 negates and an Omega loop.

[@renaldyhaen]

@@TheAverageGatsby Snake-eyes actually can set 4-5 negates (Apollousa & Baron), Prometheus Princess in GY, and search Kurikara if you fail to close the game.

[@tsohgallik]

Well at least its not MtG 😅 "this card is tapped..." 'This card is this and that"" Cards can only have these colors in their deck... Oh these cards cost , hundreds of dollars and this Starter deck is "only" $60 ... Theres thousands of cards in MTG but it seems like people rather play Uno/Go Fish 😅

[@AdamissZERO]

Pfffff, who would play Vanguard !!! “Glances over to his Premium Eradicator deck”. Ah oh.

[@esekay3648]

What changed and ruined yugioh is 1: monsters with negation effects and the influx of to many negate cards. Everyone hates floodgates for solemn judgement to be a 1 and then be printed on actual monster was always going to be a problem. 2. Hand traps because they are essentially solemn judgement from hand espically in the case of ash blossom. 3. Finally the over reliance on archtype. Because they are pre making decks they have to add a consistency and draw base with a negate and ss monsters to make it fast...well if you take that blueprint and keep hitting copy you get to thw point where its over saturated to many archytypes and to many negates... 4. Every card should be a hard once per turn unless the card specefically designates otherwise. Garuentee this will fix the game immediatly

[@megaspacewaffles]

Handtraps are not solemn judgment. Look at effect viler, it doesn’t negate and destroy like judgment You can still play after getting negated. Archtypes are not cookie cutter, there’s many variants look at fire king. Fire King Yubel, Fire King Snake Eye and Fire King pure. All of these are pretty different decks. Can you name a modern card (that sees play) that isn’t a hard once per turn?

[@esekay3648]

@@megaspacewaffles 1. Rn you can loop morphtronic level 1 with itself, and beaost of the pharoah adnosium none of them are opt. It's not about whats used now its about what breaks the game. Anything that isnt opt will be abused. This would save a lot of text space.

[@megaspacewaffles]

@@esekay3648 ??? Do Morphtronics break the game? Literally haven’t seen anyone play them due to how fragile it is

[@esekay3648]

@@megaspacewaffles 2. Handtraps are infact solemn judgement. Some destroy some doesnt but generally they are all free negates. Life points isnt a real cost and neither is discard this card to negate. It promotes unhealthy gameplay. As nobody wants to play under negate everything thats too powerful and takes no skill at all just negate everything they do. Considering the fact everycard can be dealt with after played there is no reason for hand traps. Anything like cursed bamboo sword which is not opt and can skip turns could be fixed with a simple hard opt.

[@esekay3648]

@@megaspacewaffles 3. Lastly all playable archtypes in the last 2 yrs all are the same cookie cutter. They all add , spam and negate. Thats it. Nothing special revolutionary. Even edlich played spam. Its all the same nonsense

[@JustSpag]

I think I'd rather go play Digimon

[@TheAverageGatsby]

There exists an alt timeline where they didn't scuff the release of product early on and I just fucked off to continue playing Digimon. One of the best resource engines in all TCGs imo

[@JustSpag]

@@TheAverageGatsby definitely feels it. and I do log into master duel once in a while to crib a few wins on rogue nonsense like mayakashi Zombie World or U.A. With digimon, I deliberately waited it bt9 to let them sink or swim on their own management. I was very hesitant to hop to a new card game at the time I quit taking YGO seriously(which was around when SwordSoul Kitchen Sink was gaining traction and prices for staples were FAR crazier than they are right now). But it's paying off.

[@makaveliandcheese]

You gotta retire that gif

[@TheAverageGatsby]

Deep fried Joel did not like the Chroma Key I'll tell you that much.

[@makaveliandcheese]

@@TheAverageGatsby I was talking about the one with the girl reacting to blocked shapes being pushed though and KZbinrs working their script around a gif it's just weird

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@makaveliandcheese During the writing process, I do think about some things I want to include visually. However, most of the time, on the 3rd and 4th passes of editing these, I add relevant visual aids because this isn't a podcast. Also I think that video is pretty funny.

[@brianmead1983]

You should learn what an opinion is and then stop portraying yourself as if they are facts while insulting anyone who would disagree with you.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

You should provide an opinion, and then maybe we could discuss the opinion.

[@brianmead1983]

@TheAverageGatsby okay... here is an opinion. The early game that you down and say is abjectly bad and that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong... I disagree with. I really enjoyed the the slower gameplay. Back in 2003/2004 I really felt like each individual card I played mattered. Now it's just combo extension card number 12. The cards don't feel like they have personality and by extension, neither do the decks. I'm not downing current yugioh as a game and I agree that old School yugioh is a different game, but to call it or it's players bad is baseless. It's like this attitude I've heard from Modern players that old yugioh players only play bad cards. Like players are dumb for not having imperm and ash blossem in decks in 2005. Where as if there was more respect given to the original version of the game and older players maybe the current game wouldn't be a boring one turn combo fest. You don't draw a hand trap and you lose. Then internet idiots have been trained to think, Oh I'm bad at the game cause I didn't "draw the out." As if "Drawing the out" was skill based. Want another opinion about current vs old gameplay? Let's talk floodgates. You got Player A over here with a floodgate. A single card that limits a single aspect of the game. Player B puts up opening turn boards with 12 Negates to instantly stop every play the opponent makes. Which do you want to play with? Give me a floodgate over every card I play being negated any day. Yugioh in modern is played as a zero plus game. Which means I have fun and you don't. That's a HORRIBLE idea behind a game. Combined with outlandish priced cards that power scale their predecessors out of existence... and I will take Goat Format everytime.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@@brianmead1983 I don't like responding to manifestos, but in fairness I did ask for your opinion, so here is mine. Yugi/Kaiba format is "subjectively bad". The format consists of 2 structure decks and the LOB booster set. This means 90% of your games are waiting to see who managed to draw Raigeki/Dark hole. While I don't particularly care for GOAT format (2nd most popular retro format right behind Edison), it is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Yugi/Kaiba, and there isn't really any other "retro" format between those two. You are correct, and I would go further to say Post-2011, individual cards do not have as much personality as previously. The focus was put on the Decks having personality, with the cards being a means to get to the desired game state of the deck. The most iconic cards of any given deck are usually just a core combo piece (modern example Poplar), or something that you would use to end your turn (Baronne) or go for game (Accesscode). Players from the pre-2010 era were not as good as modern players are now, this is less of an opinion. Look at how far Edison has changed with a better understanding of the game. If you spend 10 years doing something, you're probably going to learn a lot after doing it for another 10. If you don't believe me go read old tournament reports. It's not about players not running new cards, it's about players not knowing what they had access to given the privilege of hindsight. If you're a floodgate enjoyer go play Floo. Right now the game is seeing an influx in floodgate players because it's one of the best options against the tier 0 Snake-Eyes deck. I'm not a fan of Floodgate strategies, but there are people who still want Mystic Mine off the list, so what do I know. In terms of Negate turbo, those types of decks are not as viable as people who don't play the game think they are due to accessibility of handtrap and going second options. Cards like Dark Ruler No More punish people playing that kind of gameplan into the ground. This is not even mentioning the fact that the current tier 0 deck in the format doesn't play excessive negates (outside of Apollousa), opting instead for a nasty combo grind that can find lethal a critical mass of starters and extenders. Lastly, in terms of price, yeah it's expensive. The rarity collection was easily the greatest product ever printed, but then they print S:P Little Knight at secret rare and it is almost required to play the game. I wish they did multiple rarity printing like the OCG. If you aren't playing Snake-Eyes the game is relatively affordable though, and each of the decks listed at 08:24 are solid budget options for people looking to get into the game. I'm still working on the first draft for my next video on how to approach the modern game, but it's not as impossible as people want you to believe. Either way, I'm a huge retro format shill so go play GOAT. I will always tell people to go play Edison because I'm a 5D's/Synchro simp.

[@Manuelbacon40]

@@brianmead1983you acting like the old formats didnt have degenerate combos there has and will always be degeneracy in yugioh

[@brianmead1983]

@Manuelbacon40 I in NO WAY said that there weren't degenerate plays in old School yugioh. There is a reason why Scientist and Butterfly Dagger got banned eventually. Lol But as an overall the games were slower and longer and the majority were not combo driven FTKs or OTKs.

[@Wolvie287]

We need old school yugioh not this complicated crap

[@Hynotama]

The problem is that Yu-Gi-Oh! is not a fun driven game. It relies too much on negation and disruption and too little on the clashing of actual strategies. Cards that are designed to support your field are garbage, because of way overpowered meta crap that are designed to give you an overwhelming advantage at any time. This ain’t your granddaddy’s yugioh? This is a parody of yugioh. That’s the whole problem. It barely even resembles the original game. It didn’t evolve, it was thrown out for an entirely different game. Skills in duel links were badly handled and fell pray to power creep as badly as the cards, but as a concept they are far superior than board changing garbage like pendulum and link cards.

[@TaLeng2023]

Never played the TCG but I think the skills do help some archetypes actually do stuff. Constellars being able to ignore the levels when XYZing meant they can actually summon whichever archetype XYZ they need. (Biggest glow up in the game, wish same can be said for Tellarknights). Shiranui Successor allowed for them to immediately go into combo so they don't have to play the despised Trapnui variant (hated going against that but now I play Shira coz I can actually get the monsters to do something).

[@keio4456]

Literal 9 year old kids play ygo using combo decks while 30 yo men cry because they lost using their BEWD deck.

[@TaLeng2023]

They want Blue Eyes to have a chance to win, they should play DL LOL. Dark Magician and Blue Eyes get new bullshit skills like, once or twice a year.

[@keio4456]

@@TaLeng2023 bewd can win. It does win on locals the win rate is low tho.

[@rCrypto_Frog4148]

You outline the issues of Yugs and fail to see how skill-less it has become compared to the older game. And then you just say, "You gotta just accept it for what it is hurrrr hurrr." It's become more reminiscent of a freaking coin toss man, this is not good!

[@TheAverageGatsby]

Play Edison. I'm a huge fan of the format because it is a much slower format that is inexpensive, and many of the smaller choices you make matter a lot more. I would say Rush duel might be more your speed, but Konami refuses to make money.

[@rCrypto_Frog4148]

@@TheAverageGatsby Yup, I don't think you see the bigger picture here. Lemme guess, you played yugioh for like 5 years max and you think you seen it all despite playing some edison on the side. slow clap* Believe it or not people want to see yugioh continue to grow and gain new player, actual real prize support. You're not going to do that with the shit game that we have right now when it's mostly a coin toss of what hand traps you did or did not open in combination of if you opened crossout in addition to. If you play edison like you claim and you can't recognize the key difference in those two different eras then Idk what to tell you bro. Maybe start reading books more or something.

[@bobobo1673]

​@@rCrypto_Frog4148 I hope you are aware that hardly anyone will want to play it, the only reason why you support the current game is a matter of pride: it is so complex to know all the current mechanics and/or cards that work + the money invested, that anything break that, you see it as an error in where the game should go. But it is precisely that the game is bad, a game that does not let in other people who want to learn by objective definition is a bad game or a niche game. YuGioH is not a niche game, but at this rate it is since you always defend the same ones. I doubt any of you would enjoy the anime, you'd probably get bored with how slow it is. When precisely that feeling of strategy, calm, etc. is what people liked. Sometimes I think there should be a format called "solitary" for you, where whoever makes the most plays in the first or even the second turn without being stopped wins.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@rCrypto_Frog4148 Let me guess, you're 5 years old max and you think you've seen it all despite being a Redditor. If you genuinely believe that the game is a coin flip, I'd suggest playing a new game entirely. Star Wars: Unlimited looks promising. For YGO to be pure 50/50, it's pretty amazing top players are able to consistently put up results.

[@rCrypto_Frog4148]

@@TheAverageGatsby ​ @TheAverageGatsby Lol no they fucking don't bro. They attend a lot more events than you realize and a lot of them get washed out on the bubble. And just side step my comment about hand traps and crossout, you know I'm right. And this is why people are complaining about the game. Too fast with scenarios where "I win/ lose because I opened X hand traps or didn't open hand traps" these games happen far more often than not.

[@FuckYoutubeCensorship]

Archetypes ruined yugioh by saturating the market with thousands of cards that do the exact same thing except only circumstantially forcing you to play cards that you HAD to play instead of cards you wanted to play.

[@hatefulgaming1800]

Archetypes are the only reason power creep took this long to get so bad.

[@DressDown22]

Did you say pick 4. ???? 👍