What are Common Nutrition Myths? Unraveling Truths with Dr. Matthew Nagra | The Proof Podcast EP

[@nancyevans5176]

After having a carotid ultrasound at work. I’m a nurse. It showed mod to extensive plaque with low blood velocity bilaterally. After research did plant base diet. Not any meat, sugar or processed food. I didn’t cheat. After a year to the month took second ultrasound all documented. It showed minimal plaque with high blood velocity. B/P was 110/60. I was 58. Not sure but both no sugar or refined foods and/or lack of meat both probably helped greatly in reversing my heart disease.

[@caterinaciccone1513]

I believe this and the Huberman's Lab are two of the best science-based podcasts out there. I particularly like that Simon invites all sort of guests with all different diets (see Thomas Delauer) and has the conversations in a very objective way without being judgmental of other people's opinion. Big lesson for us all! Many thanks😊

[@narelled159]

So fortunate they both provide such incredible information for free.

[@leandrocaara]

Totally agree. I would add "Nutrition Made Simple" to your list, same high level science-based information...

[@tanyasydney2235]

@@leandrocaara Yes, Dr. Gil Carvalho is simply the best!

[@jasonrios3120]

Dr. Huberman is a bit iffy but good overall

[@ThePathOfEudaimonia]

​@@jasonrios3120Yeah, that is my take on Huberman as well. I was wondering why you find him a bit iffy?

[@marygrabill7127]

I have watched dozens of videos in the last 6 months where 'experts' attempt to convince you one way or the other what the proper human diet should be. I find that reading people comments on what is and has worked for them more compelling that anything else.

[@Bonnie-yu3kj]

Loved this interview. Very informative. Want to see more! Thanks so much for your podcast Simon. Really enjoying the different interviews.

[@justicericketts2912]

Another amazing guest! Thank you for your work Science Hill! Can’t wait for the new Dr.B vid 😊

[@TenTempeh]

I'm a big fan of Matthew

[@jasonrios3120]

Love Dr. Nagra, very objective and evidence-based guy! Love the content Simon keep on!

[@md82892]

Nagra is not a doctor, he is a naturopath calling himself a doctor and fakes it to look like a medical profession. In reality naturopathy is a pseudoscience that no reputable organization and government recognizes as medical profession.

[@eazyrat]

I was taking way more cyanocobalamin than the bottle stated. Meant to be a drop I was basically doing a whole dropper. This was on the basis most doctors say you can't have too much as it's water soluble. However I was getting horrible dizzy spells that have gotten much better since stopping for the last month. Is it possible the amount I was taking would amount to cyanide poisoning? Thanks

[@sabrinaguyll8173]

Just saw this... the same thing happened to me. My B12 was sky high due to over-supplementation & I was having dizzy spells/borderline fainting. When my blood test discovered it, my doc said to cut it completely for 2-3 months and then only take it every other day (in a smaller dose). So far so good. I hope you are doing better too! ❤

[@Viva-Longevity]

This was all gold. 👏

[@TheProofWithSimonHill]

Hello Friends, I'm curious to know which part of the conversation you found the most insightful and engaging. Also, if you have any other questions related to this subject, please post them below this comment. I'll make sure to include them in our next discussion.

[@elsmooth12]

Simon, I know this is a bit dated and I'm playing from behind, but I was surprised by Dr. Nagra's recommendation on supplementation of calcium. I can't quote the studies, but I was under the impression that this was nowadays frowned upon as an insurance policy (along with vitamins A and E), and that a plant-based diet rich in legumes and dark leafy greens has one well covered. Other than that one item that I'd love to see fleshed out, great conversation. Thanks for providing!

[@peggytoy]

Thank you, Simon and Dr. Nagra, as always, for an informative and wide ranging discussion bringing clarity to so many of the conflicting messages on social media. One QUESTION that came up for me was when Dr. Nagra recommended calcium supplementaion. I have read/heard frequently that calcium supplementation, even in fortified foods, can be lead to calcification of the arteries and increase risk of heart attack. As someone on a plant-based diet with osteopenia and an astronomically high LP(a), this is a concern.

[@susanking8434]

Look into vitamin K2 to take alongside calcium or vitamin D

[@RichS.74yroldbodybuilder]

You need to include some sort of resistance training in your regime. Weight-bearing exercises that work against gravity are what will get you off osteopenia . People don’t get that when they’re young. When we stop moving stop lifting things then we start having problems. The K2 will help but nothing will help better than movement and then progressive weight training. It doesn’t have to be much. It has to be something anything you do is positive. The only negative thing is not doing anything. Good luck.💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@peggytoy]

@@RichS.74yroldbodybuilder Thank you so much for your reply. I am running, doing resistance training and some plyometric exercises. I'm crossing my fingers that the next scan will show improvement.

[@peggytoy]

@@susanking8434 Thank you. Started the K2.

[@md82892]

Nagra is not a doctor, he is a naturopath calling himself a doctor and fakes it to look like a medical profession. In reality naturopathy is a pseudoscience that no reputable organization and government recognizes as medical profession.

[@jimpatek6244]

While not discussed in this enjoyable interview, it might be worthwhile to point out that a not insignificant percentage (10-15) of the population in North America and Australia, as I understand it, have a genetic mutation (MTHFR) that inhibits folate utilization and results in moderately (still dangerously) high homocysteine levels. No amount of plant consumption will overcome this. Vegan or not, you must supplement with methylated folate. I raise this because it seemed that we were being told that as long as you are plant based, you will have no issues with folate. Since I have the mutation I can say for certain that being a vegan did not reduce my homocysteine levels and I am now supplementing with 15 g/d Thorne methylated folate.

[@Dude30977]

Did you supplement adequately with B12 and eat lots of dark leafy greens?

[@CarnivoreRich]

@@Dude30977 yes and omega-3 fatty acids_ and vitamin E

[@jimpatek6244]

@@Dude30977 Always! Now trying a B vitamin combo supplement along with methylated folate and homocysteine is coming down a little. I am thinking there are other factors involved. Like elevated HS crp

[@jimpatek6244]

Thanks for commenting. Much appreciated

[@sriharshanamuduri8694]

Thanks a TON Simon for the amount of research you put into bringing the guests and asking the right questions!

[@kathleenkulp240]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I feel I have a much better and balanced understanding of the research and results regarding all these important issues. In fact, I had been considering returning to a plant'based diet, but had some questions in these exact areas. Now my questions have been answered.

[@StephenMarkTurner]

Appropriate to be listening here in Canada, to a Canadian guest, and frequently pausing the stream to watch and listen to Canada Day fireworks. :-)

[@Freeduradura]

Following Dr. Gil C. Connecting me to real educators. Thank you all 🙏

[@carinaekstrom1]

I think fiber might be doing more to help your immunity than we generally give it credit for. When looking at health outcomes we rarely take into account things like how often are people sick from stomach flus or influenza, colds, infections, etc. Fiber doesn't have to be bulky. And there are different kinds of fiber, of course.

[@patrickvanmeter2922]

I agree. 100%. I can't think of anything worse than going without fiber for a few days. We need to evacuate everyday at least once to move things out of our system.

[@laurendyer8619]

We have zero requirement for fibre. If anything it causes diverticulitis and chronic IBS.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@laurendyer8619 Fiber only causes problems in people with deficient gut microbiomes. Healthy people get their immunity boosted by fiber, and it promotes healthy metabolic functioning. Of course carnivore wannabes don't have any of this in the first place, so they seem to get stuck in their elimination diets. But I'm sure there are ways out, some people have done it.

[@zachcain2639]

2 of my favorite people chatting about a fascinating topic. Lucky me ☺️

[@educational-101]

Fan favourite is Dr Nagra.

[@md82892]

Nagra is not a doctor, he is a naturopath calling himself a doctor and fakes it to look like a medical profession. In reality naturopathy is a pseudoscience that no reputable organization and government recognizes as medical profession.

[@thisisyourfinalwarning]

Thanks for another amazing episode! You and Rich Roll are the best in the biz.

[@zachcain2639]

Curious about the microbe-based cow protein milk. To my eyes on google scholar there’s a notable link between cow dairy and prostate cancer. Do you think that would apply to the microbe-produced milk too?

[@Goodbyeeveryonehere]

The cow dairy issue is down to estrogen being in the milk from the mother. It's the same reason that dairy causes breast cancer too. Prostate cancer is the male version of breast cancer. I don't know if that helps you at all.

[@k.h.6991]

One issue I would love for you to look at is 'orthorexia'. Whole Food Plant Based vegans regularly get accused of being orthorexic on for instance reddit forums. What I see there is nothing as serious as anorexia (which the label suggests should be similarly serious). I do see people getting a bit neurotic about food. But I would think that's normal when you're trying to move away from the unhealthy food patterns that are normal in our modern society. It's simply tough to step away from the crowd. And yet that's necessary, when what the crowd is doing is so very unhealthy. So the question is: is the 'orthorexia' label one that has serious research behind it? If it is a serious problem, how do we distinguish that issue from 'normal' 'trying to outsmart big food' neuroticism? And how do we - if possible - avoid that neuroticism in the first place and still eat healthy?

[@yogiyoda]

Great interview as usual!

[@nicolabenson1155]

Would it be possible to link the citations quoted please? Some of watching would like examine the original science, for example the 2021 review of deficiencies found in different diets.

[@kathyjohnston3971]

I always wonder about these studies. We’re the people paid?who is doing these studies? What a world we live in.your two are amazing and I am really happy I listened to this podcast

[@fractaltv5209]

Regarding supplements, what about k2? It has come to my attention lately and I have been thinking about supplementing it. Also what about taking multivitamins and getting too much of some vitamins and minerals? I do a broccoli sprout supplement that has selenium added to it and have been doing a vegan multi for a little while that also has selenium added to it and when I checked today on Chronometer how much selenium I get through my food I noticed that I was already getting above recommended daily intake through just 2 out of 3 my daily meals, and with the multivitamin I exceed 400 mcg which as far as I have understood can be toxic. Anyone have any idea?

[@veganandlovingit]

My son was born in 1990 and I brought him up vegan. We didn't worry about vitamins for the first 5 - 10 years, and thereafter they were pretty much just here and there, as we couldn't really afford them. But we used plenty of So Good (fortified milk). I hoped that I was keeping him safe with the fortified soy milk and fortified cereal (Weet-bix) and he was always strong and healthy growing up. The human body must be pretty resilient as I went vegan while I was pregnant with very little nutritional information available in 1990. I smoked a pack of cigarettes a day between age 13 - 50 (except while I was pregnant). And I have always drank too much alcohol (except when I was pregnant). I believe being an imperfect vegan and exercising a lot has to some extent cancelled out the bad effects from my other habits, because I seem to be a whole lot healthier than my meat eating contemporaries. At 58 I don't have any issues such as diabetes and my blood pressure, BMI, heart rate are still perfect. I fill up mostly on a large variety of healthy wholefoods, love lots of olive oil, and consume some junk food or alcohol each day. I don't worry about a few treats but I do worry a lot about the amount of cola I consume with the alcohol. My son avoids junk food almost completely, doesn't drink or smoke, but he has joined the no oil brigade, which I am unsure about. I wont be around to see how his prudent vegan diet pays off, but I am hoping he lives very long, and healthy to the end, so that he can tell the naysaying carnies "we told you so" :P

[@Amshatelia88]

Love to hear it! I'm always thrilled to hear from people who went vegan so early on, you are a trailblazer! Cheers to you and your son!

[@veganandlovingit]

@@Amshatelia88 thank you :)

[@merrittpalmer4349]

listen to your son, oil is in fact bad. all oil including EVO

[@viveviveka2651]

Dr. Gundry is apparently himself gluten intolerant (he mentions it in a recent video). This partially explains his focus and emphasis. He also seems to have lectin sensitivities. He mentions the fact that many of his patients do as well. So he is trying to help people with irritable bowel syndrome and similar conditions - people who are having real problems with their digestion. Most nutrition experts, in fact loterally all without exception, of the many I have heard (including in the video for which this is the comments section) - not just Dr. Gundry - again and again and again and again overgeneralize their advice. The advice they give does not apply to everyone. Some would actually be harmed by it. Just look at the scatter plots for the studies they cite. And reflect on how varied the results are. And look at the r value (correlation coefficient). There are almost always exceptions. Many people are not "helped" at all. Some experience the opposite effects from those touted and cited by the nutrition gurus. 70% of people might see no effect from a certain intervention or change in their diet; 20% might see a very small effect size (effect size is also often glossed over), positively; 5% might see substantially positive effects; 3% might see small negative effects; and 2% could see strongly negative effects. Many studies are like this. The numbers can vary but the principle still applies. Statistically, it can be claimed that there are "overall" positive effects (of a certain diet, food inclusion or exclusion, supplement, etc.) even when the majority of people will not see any benefits, and some will actually be worse off than before. But they gloss over all this, conceal the scatter plots, and overgeneralize the results. They typically present these studies as if they apply universally, and apply to each person listening. This is just false and misleading.

[@janeschade7875]

Love Dr Nagra ! Great interview

[@md82892]

Nagra is not a doctor, he is a naturopath calling himself a doctor and fakes it to look like a medical profession. In reality naturopathy is a pseudoscience that no reputable organization and government recognizes as medical profession.

[@paultishler6013]

Another fantastic interview thanks guys

[@terber12392]

Best quote: "It's like saying that water is deleterious to your health because it is the main ingredient in Coca Cola." Love It!

[@narelled159]

Listened to this on Spotify and found it so interesting I’ll listen to it again. I often find it necessary to listen to these podcasts 2 or 3 times. Despite all the differing perspectives I still think a whole food plant exclusive diet has made a substantial difference to my health and well-being from a dietary, ethical and sustainable viewpoint. Having said that I just hope that a bunch of broccoli doesn’t end up being my undoing 🤣

[@paulhamer2308]

Good luck.... Lol

[@notrueflagshere198]

Both of you do great work.

[@SkyZer0]

this guy absolutely stomped Tucker in their debate.

[@rupert909]

😂 Thanks for reminding me

[@jennysiepka9900]

keep on with your seed oils:)

[@JasonNoto]

@@jennysiepka9900 its not an obligation to consume seed oils eating veganic / wfpb

[@JasonNoto]

​@@jennysiepka9900it's not an obligation to consume seed oils via wfpb or veganic nourishment

[@Psartz]

​​@@jennysiepka9900you keep on with 2 butter sticks per day.

[@janettewechsler5790]

Great listen! Not to gloss over the amazing content, but I am intrigued about this tofu tiramisu and the vegan spread you guys enjoyed ;) !!!

[@brendawood6712]

Great , educational video! Thanks

[@jamesgoldring-maule6036]

Great Episode, Thanks Simon and Dr. Nagra!

[@md82892]

Nagra is not a doctor, he is a naturopath calling himself a doctor and fakes it to look like a medical profession. In reality naturopathy is a pseudoscience that no reputable organization and government recognizes as medical profession.

[@carinaekstrom1]

So, yes, you can easily know when a bean is undercooked, but you can't easily know when there's still salmonella in a chicken.

[@aduhmbased]

BINGO.

[@stayfrosty2832]

What about lectins in oats that aren’t cooked? Overnight oats for example soaked but not cooked so higher lectin content?

[@yangtse55]

Does actual research say this is even an issue ?

[@jaynepower4330]

Love your show Simon thank you. Sadly the ‘Plants are Trying to Kill You’ advocate wont live much longer if he only consumes meat and water. I the 70s a protein only ‘diet’ was all the rage & the weight loss was dramatic. But people became exhausted & many died due to severe potassium depletion among other things that affected the heart.

[@Amshatelia88]

Very interesting I've never heard about this! I was born in 1988 lol do you know of any sources I could read more about this?

[@jaynepower4330]

Look up The Doctor’s Quick Weight Loss Diet. It works but puts a real burden on the body. Long term it’s dangerous

[@jaynepower4330]

PS Weight loss is dramatic but it all comes

[@jaynepower4330]

…back again:) Like all ‘diets’ it is only ever temporary & the body will ensure we put it all back on again, the yo yo effect that is the bane of dieters.

[@mackerelgainz541]

​@@jaynepower4330yo-yo weight loss and gain comes from returning to previous diet that made you fat. Adopting the diet that dropped the weight as a lifestyle will keep weight from returning. Only diet in a way that is sustainable, and carnivore, ketovore, animal based, and keto seems to be sustainable for many.

[@pattyl7244]

Wonderful doctor. Very informative conversation.

[@md82892]

Nagra is not a doctor, he is a naturopath calling himself a doctor and fakes it to look like a medical profession. In reality naturopathy is a pseudoscience that no reputable organization and government recognizes as medical profession.

[@marcjacobson757]

Good stuff. I always thought Dr Nagra was hardcore vegan anti-meat, but he’s clearly science focused and thoughtful

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

Ummm, I think you were always right....before.

[@marcjacobson757]

@@jellybeanvinkler4878 No, I disagree. Dogma is clearly not what drives Dr. Nagra. He is extremely intelligent, knows the science and how to read and analyze scientific literature, and he has a realistic view of nutrition. The attributes separate him from all the dogmatic, finger-pointing, hyperbolic vegan extremists that populate much of the social-mediaverse. The very fact that he can sit and have a thoughtful, intelligent discussion with Simon Hill is evidence that he is not just another loud mouth with a biased agenda. And I also don't mean to suggest that these dogmatists are only vegans - they are on both sides of the aisle, carnivore and vegan and everywhere in between-ivore.

[@md82892]

Nagra is not a doctor, he is a naturopath calling himself a doctor and fakes it to look like a medical profession. In reality naturopathy is a pseudoscience that no reputable organization and government recognizes as medical profession.

[@TedGeiss]

Great interview!! I am trying to be a SOS free vegan and listening to this helped me to understand so much of the conflicting information that is out there.

[@zhilahaghbin4766]

thank you both, Dr. Nagra you are a talking dictionary on nutrition , don't get tired of listening to you. Thanks for reassuring public. I have a couple of questions on Steel cut oats, even organic is said to give a high spike in blood glucose and thus overtime contribute to fatty liver. I wonder its effect on "lowering LDL" even to a few points 5-10 points first Q1. has to do with just being a "viscous" substance thus cholesterol and LDL particles sticking to it and getting disposed in stool and Q.2: or does it have to do with it being "fiber" , thus doing the same function with respect to lipids. Another Q: is there any good or harm in eating skin of Salmon? Thanks

[@md82892]

Nagra is not a doctor, he is a naturopath calling himself a doctor and fakes it to look like a medical profession. In reality naturopathy is a pseudoscience that no reputable organization and government recognizes as medical profession.

[@carljenkins259]

Regarding the point about keto v higher carb and fat burning. Is it true to say that in any situation at rest we actually are turning over fat all the time? And we use more carbs as exertion increases beyond a certain point. People who are keto might oxidize fat at a higher percentage of V02max if they are adapted.

[@wojtek1582]

1:22:18 Well maybe ultraprocessed foods with low nutritient value shortened maybe to low value ultraprocessed foods (LVU food). There is also well known term junk food. Generally the mention that not everything that is technically ultraprocessed is automatically bad is for me one of the most valuable things from this material (many other good points seem to be much better known).

[@olyav5819]

Great interview and questions!

[@Joy80JJ]

Another great interview. I enjoyed your guests comments. It is so confusing when you listen to the dogma camps on food.

[@brendawood6712]

Perfect Dr Chaffee imation

[@sarahdietz4]

Love Matthew & his insta!! Can’t stop looking at the curtain behind him - it’s like a veil 😂😂

[@suatter2761]

Can u please do a podcast on effectiveness of statins on stroke prevention

[@paulhamer2308]

They don't work

[@Goodbyeeveryonehere]

Statins are horrible for health and no they don't work. I'm trying to think of one of the docs who talks about this. Pam popper might do. Type pam popper statins into the search bar on KZbin

[@viveviveka2651]

Some people might cook their beans in a slow cooker. This can be dangerous with some beans, especially with red kidney beans. They have to be cooked above a certain minimum temperature. Testing the texture is not the best test, because the beans can be soft after cooking for a sufficiently long time at ineffective lower temperatures. They also need to be cooked for a longer period of time than some people might assume, both when boiling and when pressure cooking.

[@thewayiseeit8766]

So good!

[@Godfryd23]

1:24:27 So low insulin levels doesent matter for fat burning? Just calories in and out? I find it very confusing while knowing all the complexity of human metabolism. So how come that ppl on keto/low carb losing mostly fat instead of lean body mass if they burning mostly dietary fat? And then there is so much evidence now for low carb dietes efficacy for diabetes reversal/control that i am also shocked how people ten to ignore those facts. We see again that we are all biased one way or another. No wonder that is all so confusing to the “mortals” if leading world experts don’t agree on basic nutritional things.

[@justinmccord2714]

Great interview!

[@themeach011]

Its far easier to be in a calorie deficit on keto as you dont have the hunger and cravings to deal with that u have when youre doing a deficit on a high carb diet. Ive tried both and maintianing a calorie dedicit on keto was nearly effortless after the first few days of intermittent fasting. I had to remind myself to eat as the hunger signals just were not there.

[@yangtse55]

What about Mediterranean ?

[@michaelajoseph6856]

@@themeach011 If you eat plant based high nutritious food but lower in calorie density with the carbs, fets and ptotein they naturaly contain, the hunger between meals disapears as well. No creavings unless ravenous. Thats why preparing the meals in advance is beneficial.

[@bscsmscs1578]

I am vegetarian (asian indian) & in early 60s. I have been on IF for >23 yrs (14-18/10-6). I am also D2M. A1c~6 to 6.2 all these years with only diet & excercise. I eat fruits, veggies, lentils, legumes, some yogurt, some cheese, lots of nuts, recently started taking 2.5 gms of fish oil capsules/day, 3-5 eggs/week. My numbers: BP-110/70, Trigly-47, HDL-57, Apo A1 -137 mg/dL, Apo B-101 mg/dL, small LDL - 330 mmol/L (limit

[@bonnieo8]

I don’t think you can infer causation from correlations. There are lots of differences in how the average person eats in both countries. Also, you are doing a lot of things right, but your Hba1Clevrl is still not normal. Check out Dr. Richard Bernstein. He’s a type 1 diabetic and advocates a low carb diet to keep your blood glucose levels more stable and lower. Dr. Nagar IS biased in favor vegan diets. That kind of diet wasn’t even possible 100 years ago before the discovery of certain vitamins and minerals and the manufacturing of supplements. I’m not against vegan and vegetarian, but adding at least fish or eggs makes for a much healthier diet.

[@bonnieo8]

I meant to type levels. Also, I think this doctor’s name is Nagra. Can I blame autocorrect for these mistakes?

[@candoit123]

Health reporting in india is poor at best. Would be hard to trust that data. Even companies struggle with simple data like market share.

[@johnduggan4993]

I greatly enoyed this, and seeing a naturopath doctor deflate my personal expectations that he might be pushing weak or nonscientific claims. Quite the contrary! Particularly when he touched on the "naturalistic fallacy" around 49:20 in. Anyway, I doubt any of the foods we consume are exactly "natural" after thousands of years of tinkering for yield and palatability. And on another point, we could just term the healthier "ultra-processed foods" as something like "health-designed foods" with some all-round criterion.

[@Capie]

What about arsenic content of rice?

[@sarah09021992]

"PLANT ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU" stellar interpretation 😂

[@kennyprice5017]

They are toxic that’s how they work they’re inducing molecular hormesis which is beneficial to the organism because of the upper regulation in antioxidant anti-inflammatory defense

[@crocmandarin]

He took a sip of that non-milk and said "interesting." but he was thinking, "WTF did you just make me drink!"

[@Arugula100]

I think this expert needs to carefully read Monteiro's NOVA classification system of food. Tofu, he stated, is processed. It doesn't have all the chemical ingredients that can keep the tofu edible after a year or 10 years. It has the ingredients to set the tofu. But twinkies, and many other packaged foods can sit on the shelves for years, even decades, and still be edible. These are ULTRA-processed. Don't get the naive public confused with more misinformation.

[@talgara69]

Excellent

[@stanciulescubogdan7061]

Very useful information, but I have to point out one thing, although I understand the "frustration" of emphasizing protein consumption, between 1.2g/kg and 1.6g/kg there is a considerable difference in the increase in muscle mass (for athletes even more than 1.6) .I agree that it is not the end of the world if it is not achieved, but let's not minimize the results and the fact that eating a little more protein can bring benefits.

[@mjs28s]

Does eating fat make you fat? For some it might, even if calorie intake is the same. I was taking 60 grams of fat per day on just under 2,000 cals per day. I am pretty vigilant about my diet so I eat almost the same things every day, but averaged over three or four days, my diet and calories are the same. I cut back to 30 grams fat per day and increased my carbs and protein up a little to bring calorie intake right back up to where it was. End result - I trickled off about four pounds and have a new set point. Now, i also lift weights and put in 5.5 to 8 miles per week. Maybe the average person, if calories are same / same won't gain weight if fat intake increases, but for me it looks like it would happen.

[@Goodbyeeveryonehere]

According to Dr John mcdougall who is a plant based doctor and has been for nearly 50 years, the fat you eat is the fat you wear.

[@jeljel4037]

What about an alkaline high fruit based diet? Food eaten as it is grown, raw, uncooked, high fruit and tender leafy greens, no processed oils/salt/sugar, etc... Just curious to hear professional opinions about that.

[@m_m991]

But why

[@Goodbyeeveryonehere]

Most fruits are acidic not alkaline. A dentist will tell you that. All fruitarians have mental and dental issues.

[@Nadine56924]

Dr neal Bernard promoted dairy is bad?

[@Goodbyeeveryonehere]

If you don't want osteoporosis (the countries where they eat the most dairy have the highest rates of osteoporosis) or prostate or breast cancer, then stay away from dairy. Its the estrogen that causes it. Watch Dr John mcdougall

[@nutralei]

Is it safe to assume you two are meme buddies 😁? Great episode this week as usual. Highly value your Spotify podcasts.

[@jakobw135]

Do plant-based protein supplements like Garden of Life, pose a danger to kidney and overall health?

[@StanDupp6371]

Chaffee forgot to say Dr. Bruce Ames is now 94 years old and in Bruce Ames own words he said he has always consumed a lot of vegetables and greens all his life for good health so what does that tell you based on common sense?

[@StanDupp6371]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill Bruce Ames has a long term track record and numerous awards what does Chaffee have zero?

[@educational-101]

Has anyone watched his chat with Melbourne footballer Tom McDonald? Was very interesting his answers to why Tom was struggling as an athlete on the carnivore diet.

[@StanDupp6371]

@@AliceFarmer-bg4dw It's not complicated because Dr. Bruce Ames solved this problem by consuming a balanced diet in the basic 4 food groups like they teach in grade school so you get all the nutrients you need but not too much of any 1 food group.

[@Sparkling-Cyanide]

There’s one big thing that really, REALLY bothers me about a vegan diet and that is what it does to my blood sugar. If grains (yes, whole grains do it too), starchy veg, and some fruits raise my blood sugar to high levels (talking about 160 to 180 range), isn’t the insulin surge caused by blood sugar rises that last more than 3 hours as bad for your heart as meat and dairy? How can this be good for you? Meat, cheese, and non-starchy veg barely moves my blood sugar. I rarely eat meat. I sometimes give in because of being badgered by well meaning people that I need to. I have been like that since birth and really have never had any desire to eat it but I often eat cheese and a few eggs every couple of weeks. But how do I reconcile a vegan diet, eating grains and fruits, while struggling to stay out of diabetic status?

[@ChristineWagner]

everyone is different. there is no one size fits all diet.

[@UltimateBody]

Stop eating high-sugar fruits such as bananas (12%), oranges (9-10%) and apples (10%) etc. These have been modified to have more sugar as this sells more and offers relatively low nutritional value contra caloric content. Aim to eat nutritional dense fruits and berries under 10% sugar content as organic wild blueberries (6%), avocados (1%), and papaya (8%), and do not eat too much. Mix the carbs you eat in a meal with other foods with fibers and more protein-focused as non-starchy vegs/ a salad and your choice of protein etc. to slow the blood sugar response. Make a habit of throwing in some healthy raw nuts such as walnuts, pistachios, or pecans and you will balance/ slow the blood sugar response further. Do not eat any products made of flowers, this increases the GI value so the foods more easily spike your blood sugar. I would suggest trying to eliminate grains completely from your diet and focusing on eating boiled potatoes, boiled sweet potatoes, and pumpkin instead. I know this is controversial, but I think it is a good idea and something the "keto gurus" is right about. My body works exactly the same as you describe, and I think most people have the same blood sugar response, many without realizing it.

[@Sparkling-Cyanide]

@@UltimateBody Thanks - I appreciate your reply. I can easily cut out grains. I only eat them because I thought I needed to for a rounded diet. But I need to cut some of the fruit. I also think you’re right in that those things affect most people the same but they either aren’t checking or they think it’s ok. My HBA1C is well below pre-diabetic range but my fasting insulin is higher than it should be. I don’t think the A1C gives the whole picture. I need to adjust and focus on those foods that don’t send my blood sugar soaring.

[@Sparkling-Cyanide]

@@gb7168 Thanks for your reply. I eliminated all meat, dairy, and eggs for a year and nothing changed. Thankfully, beans and legumes aren’t a problem.

[@Sparkling-Cyanide]

@@gb7168 I probably eat too much. Eating grains really amps up my appetite. I walk. Thanks much!

[@kencarey3477]

I've been whole foods plant based since the early 80'

[@philhunt168]

What's worth bearing in mind is that when the medical consensus recommends reducing meat intake, people selling a meat based diet as healthy will be very popular. As we saw from the liver king emails, the diet he consumed was very different from the diet he sold his customers. I doubt very much that people like saladino, chaffee etc. are stupid enough to eat the diet they recommend to their followers.

[@pinnaclepottery635]

I was happy to hear your point of view. But I hope we all get to a point where an individual’s diet becomes customized to their needs. Some do great on Vegan some do great on Keto and some do great on a Carnivore diet. I personally can not eat soy and must avoid seeds. I do great on a low carb diet and must eat a salad every day to feel good. I eat lean animal protein and tolerate cheese and dairy amazingly. But it has taken lots of chances on different types of diets to find the one that’s right for me now. And then our bodies change over time and eating needs to change too.

[@rupert909]

Feeling good on a certain diet doesn't tell you that diet is healthy for you long term just a heads up

[@kh485]

@@rupert909 How will this diet affect you when you are in your final decades of life? That’s the question we should be exploring. Will this diet likely promote chronic disease over time? That’s an important consideration.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

Garland Farms need to pay attention. He would learn a heck of a lot from this episode.

[@stellasternchen]

Puh, I had a discussion with a naturopath online in a keto forum that greatly spread misinformation about diabetes, claimed ketones are the intended fuel of the body instead of glucose, that the body runs on ketones during ketosis not fat, when ketones need fat burning to be created, that high LDL-C is ok when HDL-C is high preferably very high - which actually is associated with higher mortality, and TG's are low since you are metabolically healthy. And not LDL particle cause cardiovascular disease but hyperglycemia, so all carbohydrates are bad, since they cause hypoglycemia. Called me stupid. I am an actual MD, bud did not reveal that. They needed to state that they are right because they are a naturopathic doctor. I don't know how similar that education can be to med school... Maybe it differs where you are educated.

[@joshuakenny503]

Brilliant stuff So helpful and so many questions very well answered🙏 Thank you guys

[@emh8861]

Can you interview Bart Kay?

[@md82892]

He will never do that, Bart will eat him for breakfast. These vegan youtube influencers never interview a carnivore doctor or scientist, they like to stay in their own echo chamber and listen their own stories.

[@angelawilliamson6765]

I wish they'd spoken glycosate also known as round up, sorry can't spell it but this worris me that so many fruits and vegetables have got dangerous chemicals inside them when many of us can, no way buy organic, I've heard about the BIG 7 including strawberries but there's many more.

[@jakobw135]

If you're a vegan already on the slim side, what is the best way to avoid sarcopenia and actually gain some weight?

[@jakobw135]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill Easier said than done - the EATING that is. What if you're ALREADY consuming as much as you can, and still no visible results?

[@jennysiepka9900]

Eat meat

[@lf7065]

​@@jakobw135You may want to get your thyroid checked.

[@michaelajoseph6856]

Lift weights. Resistence training is very useful.

[@kathyjohnston3971]

Let’s agree. All of theses are very processed. Forget them. Eat the olives. Eat the avocados.

[@lisengel2498]

But I look at your radience, your skin, eyes and general “Energy” - and you look very healthy and hRmonious 🎶🍀🎵💚🐸

[@travisporco]

I'd like to get to the bottom of the keto debate.

[@StephenMarkTurner]

Many of us can identify that one angiogram associated with Dr Esselstyn at a glance. :-)

[@HakuCell]

1:52:47

[@candoit123]

The whole discussion just says eat the recommend food pyramid with less meat?

[@Justinegallows]

The food pyramid already says eat minimum to no meat

[@wzaes]

What wristwatch is Simon wearing? It's handsome.

[@matphilips3288]

Mr. Slow with Mr. Quick ... 😂

[@monrodeo100]

Was a vegetarian for 2 years and then I had the worst kidney stone experience and my doctor said stop! Your eating too much oxalates rich vegetables. Never again. Now I eat a balanced low carb meat diet and never felt better

[@TheProofWithSimonHill]

A low carb diet has kidney stone risks in itself: low potassium, high animal protein, low calcium (depending on your formulation) and possibly high sodium (again depending on your formulation). Vegetables themselves are associated with a lower risk of kidney stones, including as part of higher adherence to a mediterranean diet. PMID: 28838765, PMID: 15698445

[@md82892]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill I guess you haven’t read the studies you have referred yourself (I guess you assume vegans won’t read them and believe your word anyways). The study you refer to says “The risk for nephrolithiasis was lower with greater consumption of dairy products and vegetables and greater with higher monounsaturated fatty acid to saturated fatty acid ratio.” “Finally, an un- expected positive association between MUFA:SFA ratio and risk for nephrolithiasis was found.” So in plain English: if you drink more milk you have less kidney stones, if you eat more saturated fat (and have less seed oils) then again you have less kidney stones. Authors appearently heavily biased for a Mediterranean diet and they couldn’t keep their shock that a Mediterranean diet full of vegetable and seed oils is one of the strong predictor of kidney stones 😂 It is hilarious to realize how much of the science literacy is missing but having a huge overconfidence on these issues 🤦‍♂️

[@coldshot5555]

Good show ...OLD BEAN....know what I mean Jelly Bean...

[@skybaby444]

2 hours? 😳

[@brendawood6712]

Soy tastes the best as well!

[@tor5457]

Wonder what Dr. Nagra thinks about homeopathy, one of the basics of the naturopathic curriculum and practice. As we know, this modality is about as far removed from science- and evidence-based medicine as possible.

[@samieramohamed2467]

Sorry to say is it logic, dialogue,theories of knowledge? Or the topic is to make points of the myths related to nutrition? This discussion is for private and not public when the time of listeners is critical. Lost for words how discussions go into slippery slope.Stopped after 9 minutes.

[@kyracoach]

Ok I believe that each person had different dietary needs and it could be based on your blood type. I am blood type O.. I do not do well on plant , nut, fruit only diet. blood type O which is 60% of the population need meat.. in which I take in as fish. Without it... and yes I have gone months at a time trying to convert to exclude meat but my body... even with no sugars.. bloats.. Book "Eat Right For Your Type." Blood Type A suggests no meat. It does work for me and my friends.

[@toms8879]

what if you ate a carnivore diet, meat only.. I guess for heart disease or atherosclerosis, you need more the one component to form plaque or stiffening of the arteries, right. like you need glucose and calcium to form plaques with cholesterol. otherwise Shawn Bakker or A. Chaffee should have been clogged up by now. so what is going on there?

[@Psartz]

we need more doctors and less chiropractors teaching nitrition.

[@charlesklein1025]

You look extremely healthy so you would be a good motivation for people to adopt a vegan diet

[@CarnivoreRich]

Was vegan for almost 5yrs n almost died_ im fully recuperated n feeling amazing just eating beef💪💪💪🖖✌❤

[@Dude30977]

What did you eat when you were vegan?

[@CarnivoreRich]

@@Dude30977 Dude wow all sorts of veggies, legumes, variety of nuts, fruits, juiced fruits veggies combos, not every day but some fermented veggies_ well rounded but was an athlete at the time (gymnast, martial arts,and boxing_also ran (not jogging - only sprinting 50yard dash 5 - 8x) my performance diminished until i gave up could not finish my sets with dizziness, light headed and lost so much weight my friends were telling me i had aids- decided to go carnivore and totally recuperated in a little over 6 months _ 6' tall 185lbs was 127lbs on a 6' frame does not look good and not healthy at all💪👍✌

[@yangtse55]

Cool story bro

[@aduhmbased]

This guy tried starting an argument with me because I said glyphosate has negative consequences to your health and the environment. lol