What Are Encoders Anyway? Skywatcher EQ8Rh-Pro First Impressions

Have you noticed that mount owners often look like their mounts? Mine is big and black. My first impressions of the new mount in the observatory and a couple of test shots!
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[@AstroForumSpace]

Well...I care about your PHD2 graph, it's freaking awesome Dylan!

[@DylanODonnell]

Thx bud :)

[@PafMedic]

Im Just Learning What All This Is,lol

[@endless-sky2777]

The only way I would get 0.23" total RMS with my current equip is if PHD2 was guiding on a dead pixel... ;-)

[@gregmckay666]

Haha! Me too!

[@td6935]

That delay at the beginning killed me XD

[@coffeecatto3375]

What the fuc-

[@PafMedic]

Where’s The Awesome Introduction...I Noticed,lol

[@VictorLima1]

"The MOUNT knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation."

[@deonbrewis8876]

Love a good “The Missile Knows Where It Is” reference :)

[@ianbirkett6542]

That mount is sick! My profession is industrial maintenance where we have high precision encoders so I can relate to the expectation! Sweet videos, keep it up!!!

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks man :)

[@Theniccolo20slime]

That last part of the video was a total flex and, as always, I loved it

[@angryBOT]

I want to hurt you for the 0.23" total RMS. But I want more videos. So, go back to work and create more content faster!

[@AndrewWhise]

That red finish on the guitar is gorgeous.

[@DylanODonnell]

Pretty huh!

[@redabdab]

And the lab coat is for what exactly? All those nasty chemical spill hazards that plague our hobby? ;-)

[@LikeOnATree]

Thanks for that great explanation of encoders!! Congrats on the new mount!!

[@klaussfreire]

Haha... that new intro delay is a perfect description of the new equipment experience. My hat to you... if I wore a hat.

[@DylanODonnell]

Hah!

[@jimbundy8449]

Great video Dylan! So ready for mine to arrive 🤪 Awesome numbers on the guiding 👍🏼 and of course the guitar playing 🤘🏻🎸Rock on!!!!

[@lilithgaither9603]

PHD graphs are something I can watch all day. Until they are my own. That's when I have this awkward painful grimace with every little bump-up in tot RMS. Great explanation on encoders! Learned a lot.

[@DylanODonnell]

Hah that feeling when you've been watching the PHD guide graph for too long.

[@lilithgaither9603]

@@DylanODonnell I believe that's called "pain"

[@Astrolavista]

Astronomy and guitars, the perfect symbiosis!

[@FR3EKELITE]

I cant wait for your SynScan video, I have the HEQ5 Pro from skywatcher and it would be great to know all the things about it.

[@doubleehokie]

"red like a wedding in GOT", yikes that's a looooooot of red haha

[@DSOImager]

Wait! Stars are round? WTF! ... grats on your new mount. Expectations are high now ;)

[@jamesneagle1330]

Underrated channel.

[@DylanODonnell]

Thx man :)

[@jreichle59]

Looks like a great mount.

[@afryhover]

Congrats on the new mount Dylan! I've been trying to get my club's observatory to sell our two CGE-Pro mounts and get an EQ8R-Pro

[@AstroQuest1]

Awesome vid. Congrats on the mount. I did the polar alignment using the Synscan method a few times with my Atlas Pro and it worked great. However, since I am in the Northern Hemisphere I just use the polar scope and Polaris as it is quickest method. Cheers

[@mellowhippo]

Definitely get the dev version of PHD and try out multi-star guiding. It was like it was made for encoder'd mounts. I found it improved guiding on my Mach2 significantly.

[@DylanODonnell]

Can't wait!

[@77BlackKnight]

Legendary guidning. I just discoverd mulitstar guiding in PHD2 and it performed 30% bettet on my CGX. Around 0,8 arc second from my balcony in Stockholm. Great video and Cheers mate. 🍻

[@DylanODonnell]

Nice! I’m looking forward to multi star guiding !

[@77BlackKnight]

@@DylanODonnell its in still in dev 4 on PHD2 page but works great.

[@mikebenengtouncry3613]

everyone be saying theyre first, but no one saying theyre second. so im second ;) also nice mount, im jealous

[@CheapHomeTech]

You think that because though it appears your post went smoothly in reality it is queued while the ai decides to post, shadow ban, or just plain toss your comment to the stars.

[@andyleather3014]

I used to use renshaw encoders on ffei plate setters. Basically your correct it shines a light on a diffusion pattern on a strip and from the it knows where it is. Clever huh?

[@DylanODonnell]

Nice!

[@astrodad656]

Spotted 2:45 .....roaming lizard [lower right hand corner].

[@angusr7805]

Hahaha, the random guitar solo halfway through is deluxe.

[@viniciusceccon7755]

holy crap Dylan, I never know what kind of fun I'm gonna have with your videos. Comedy and good information, this is what good content looks like. Keep it up!

[@DylanODonnell]

Hey thanks Vin!

[@DavesAstrophotography]

Oh, and was watching your shutter opening....damn mine gets about a foot up and just skips on the chain, think the shim is too narrow behind the gear. Put additional washers in the roof rollers, and lubed all the surfaces with silicon spray, but still did it. Ran out of time to get things finished before I headed back to work for another 10 weeks.... Guess I'll be tweaking again next time home, still got the rotation kit to fit as well.

[@martinsastrophotography]

Hey Dylan. Greetings from the other side of the planet (UK)! I am deliberating between the EQ8-R and the EQ8-Rh for my EdgeHD 11 setup. I have a question... I notice you had an OAG in your setup, despite having the Rh version. It was not clear if this was actively applying corrections or not when you achieved the incredible RMS error you showed. If you are well polar aligned and there is no differential movement in the optical train, why autoguide if you have the Rh? Thanks.

[@peterlaubscher3989]

Thanks for your excellent videos. Really looking forward to your presentation on using Synscan for polar alignment, especially in the Southern Hemisphere. I use an EQ 5 and find it difficult to see Octans through the Polar alignment scope, even thought the skies to the South of me are dark.

[@DylanODonnell]

Coming soon :)

[@spamcan9208]

It's amazing how far our technology has come. Your "testing" photos look fantastic. Can't wait to see what this new mount will enable you do to when you really start to push your equipment. Have you set yourself a challenging goal yet?

[@DylanODonnell]

At this point getting a single full night is a challenge !

[@Wolfie6020]

Drool!. Lucky bugger. I love that mount. Cool guitar too. Looking forward to more.

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks mate! If the clouds go away I might be too busy to spend any more money.

[@breyen379]

Great video! One of the big differences that I see between the guitar and mount is that the guitar gets direct feedback, i.e., string sound > microphone > encoder > tuning knob. As far as the mount goes, it uses the star alignment as a starting point and extrapolates all other points. I wonder if a plate solving algorithm can be used by integrating a small camera into the mount?

[@DylanODonnell]

Interesting idea! And yes the guitar "encoder" idea isn't strictly right.. the stepper motors likely have no idea where they are but use the audio frequency for relative adjustments. Still, you're right it's an intelligence I'd love to see built into in a mount that can self align even without a telescope on it.

[@book3100]

Dude, that's pretty good! Looks like you got a sweet mount. I'm after an EXOS2 with PMC8, from Explore Scientific. It'll be my first "robot" mount.

[@DylanODonnell]

Robot everything !

[@book3100]

@@DylanODonnell yea, it's going to take me some time. But I'll get there eventually. I've only been at this for a year and a half. I was happy to get a nice manual eq mount. Been learning the sky and all that. Have fun with that badass mount man!

[@HockeyHomeBrewski]

Thanks for sharing! Awesome and cool to learn about encoders.

[@DylanODonnell]

Glad you liked it!

[@HockeyHomeBrewski]

You’d make one hell of a professor. Congrats on the photo in Australian Sky and Telescope, too. I’m in the USA but saw it on my Kindle when I was flipping through a couple of days ago. I’ll buy my gear from High Point Scientific since they’re a supporter. Anyway, thanks again - your KZbins are kind of a highlight for me - like getting your National Geographic in the mail feeling. I know I’ll either have a good laugh, learn something or both.

[@DylanODonnell]

@@HockeyHomeBrewski Thanks mate .. I like my sponsors and not just because of the sponsorship, but when I get good comments from people that let me know they are a good choice. Tell them hi for me :) Are you talking about this months AS&T? I've been in it before but not for ages now. I haven't seen this months edition yet.

[@HockeyHomeBrewski]

Yep, page 61

[@DylanODonnell]

Off to the newsagent... THANKS!

[@mikemoralesKartRacer]

I’m going to send you some new subs soon

[@highasheaven9239]

Do you still find the encoders useful? I remember seeing you guide on both RA and Dec, so when are the encoders being used? PS ; Amazing video as always :)

[@GalacticHunter]

Wow I had no idea your house was under a Bortle 2 sky, that's so awesome 😳

[@DylanODonnell]

Heh you can imagine why I don’t do portable astronomy ! 🍻

[@sPidX1]

Never stop making video's! ☝🏻🤓🔭🌌

[@lmu6airy]

would love to see a review on that ZWO focuser and how you achieve focus on the edge scopes .. something ive been struggling with :(

[@DylanODonnell]

Honestly I struggle with it too. The sgp autofocus fails half the time but the focusser itself seems to be doing everything it’s told fine. Need to nail it first .)

[@lmu6airy]

@@DylanODonnell im using nina and struggled a bit, but thats mainly do to my bortle 9 so what i do now is keep autofocus on 8 second subs when doing L .. the real problem is doing NB with 3nm filters (oh and step size is 35)

[@HollomanUFOLanding]

See the little reptile (lizard?) in there at 2:40

[@space9342]

Alternative title : Dylan O Donell Flexing his equipment's for 14 minutes XD nice vidio Dylan

[@DylanODonnell]

💪🏼

[@astrodad656]

That is a special mount that I want.

[@astro.p]

This video is pretty informing honestly. And i am the kid that tagged you in a Video saying "What the hell r u doin in here" and then u said "Oh i have a Doppelganger" idk if remember me.

[@DylanODonnell]

Hehe hey thx mate

[@astro.p]

@@DylanODonnell u did the Hehe again!

[@astrojourneyuk]

Don’t talk to me about weather apps this week. I’ve had exactly the same issues.

[@MrFingolfin]

To alll Astrobackyard's followers... you should be here, he is not that handsome but he plays the guitar and has spiders in the garden 😋 You are the best Dylan!

[@hbmike47]

He also has lizards in his observatory dome. Good one there mate!

[@montygiavelli8125]

I've been looking at the EQ8-RH for a permanent installation in an obervatory. With the permanent mount already polar aligned will I be able to just turn it on and slew to my imaging location and start imaging ?? I'm a little confused about the encoders... Currently I'm using an EQ6-R pro and on a night with low humidity and clear skies I'm getting about RMS 0.25(0.55") Your numbers are RMS 0.59(0.23"). Our numbers seem to be reversed !! On a humid night with less than ideal conditions the guiding might be RMS 0.35(0.85"). Am I reading your numbers wrong. I'm going to try the new PHD multi-star guiding and see if it helps (when I get a clear sky). thanks, Monty

[@ChucksAstrophotography]

Now that guiding is impressive!

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks Chuck! I’m shocked really.

[@hbmike47]

So now that you have a real telescope mount, what did you end up doing with the CGX and its POC motor/gear reduction sleeve bearings? Doorstop for the back door? A new piece of Yard Art? A scarecrow to keep the damn birds out of the trees?| Run it at 2:00 am purely to annoy your next door neighbor when they leave a porch light on? Give it away as a prize with instructions on how to fix it when you get to 1,000,001 subscribers? (winner to pay shipping!) The fix might be cheap enough, but the cost of another dome, not so much. Seriously I'll buy it off u for shipping cost and we can pretend that you don't know it's not too expensive to fix.. LOL. What?!? It costs more to ship it from Australia to the west coast of the US than a good used one on CN? HA! Maybe so! Have a great day.. and don't forget to smile :D

[@dinomonaco2665]

I said it before, & I’ll say it again . By far one of the most informative & entertaining Astro channels on this platform. Great job Dylan. Ps. Play some more kick a_ _ rock tunes. 🤓

[@DylanODonnell]

Hehe thanks mate :)

[@JoesAstrophoto]

Super jealous of your mount Dylan, who said mount envy isn’t a thing. Great explanation of encoders as well! I have an EQ6-R and after writing the PEC curve to the encoders, I’m getting about .6” so you’re about 3 times less error with your encoders. Great, now I have encoder envy lol

[@DylanODonnell]

It's pretty nuts huh! expensive.. but one less thing to worry about.

[@catchingphotons]

Hey Dylan! Epic mount epic guiding graph and epic guitar riff. Question: what blink-software would you recommend on... Windows? I'm too lazy to code something. Clear skies mate!

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks! Pixinsight works on windows :) I haven’t tried blinking on anything else.. I only use Windows for acquisition stuff.. all processing apart from some specific planetary things happens on a Mac :)

[@rodneyhendrickson5094]

I do love that mount All I have is an EQ6R Pro And your Getfiddle are Guitar is Awesome I've been playing mine for over 25 years now I have a Gibson Les Paul and a Kramer and an older Fender Strat I play the lead My brother-in-law and cousin both play in a band I've played a few gigs with them I've never had one self-tuning I love that I use my whammy bar a lot on my Kramer What would happen to the auto-tuning when you break a string? Thanks man

[@luboinchina3013]

With graph that good, why not to photograph at the native focal length of EDGE 11? You can try it on Crab nebula or other planetary nebulae. Go native😃

[@DylanODonnell]

Oh I will!

[@andrewthedistiller]

Noice. Thanks for the vid I was on the fence about encoders. Glad I shelled out the extra cash for the encoder on the Ioptron I ordered. Says .25" on the listing. Hopefully it lives up to the promises 🤞

[@astroagashi2541]

dude that was some dope information!

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks bro

[@radishx]

Byron bay observatory in the house!

[@DylanODonnell]

Woop woop!

[@radishx]

@@DylanODonnell that’s a hella nice graph. Now you have an excuse to get a bigger telescope XD

[@CmdrEsteban]

Encoders for electric guitars, lol. John Hammond might have said “I bring the astronomer, you bring the rock star”.

[@williamgorham7339]

Don’t care about other people’s guiding graphs 📊 but you liked mine on Twitter lol 😂. Everyone loves a good guiding graph!

[@ryanmichaelhaley]

Self tuning Gibson less Paul, come on man, come on, I’ve never even dreamed of such a beautiful thing, and here you are playing it. Jelly jelly jelly jelly jelly

[@sonnyedmonds7993]

My weather app's are terrible! But they are more accurate than our weather clowns on TV. WTF! LOL!

[@RaysAstrophotography]

Glad to hear about your town restrictions and dark sky! Congratulations on the new mount. Seem like the right choice for me!

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks Ray, it's incredible :)

[@VincentGroenewold]

Awesome stuff! That observatory motor thingy does rock a lot, is it supposed to do that? Regarding cost for those encoders, usually companies in this hobby add a loooooot of profit to anything. It's like buying a wedding cake. :) They can ofcourse buy those in for way cheaper and the integration is likely peanuts. So, I think 4000 extra is too much, for me anyway. But like you said, that'll depend on whatever you think it's worth it.

[@DylanODonnell]

Good point. And yes I think my dome is slightly loose. I’m going to retension the whole roof soon.

[@James-gd7tk]

Well that's one way of fixing the wobbly star issue.

[@DylanODonnell]

Haha yes. It’s very .. solved.

[@Dasman5624]

Usually the comment is i can control my telescope from inside and out of the cold. Us Australians - so i can control my telescope from the toilet 😂😂😂

[@keeplookingup911]

Time line: 2:38, a lizard was spotted in your observatory 🦎 Astronomy with wildlife 🐒

[@DylanODonnell]

Hehe seriously I miss all these animals in my vids most of the time. You'd be forgiven for thinking I live in the jungle.

[@mikemoralesKartRacer]

Good vids man wish I had some of that equipment

[@jamalcarlos9780]

Sorry to be so off topic but does someone know a trick to get back into an Instagram account..? I was dumb lost my login password. I appreciate any tips you can offer me

[@doriancrosby6850]

@Jamal Carlos Instablaster =)

[@jamalcarlos9780]

@Dorian Crosby Thanks for your reply. I found the site thru google and Im in the hacking process now. Takes quite some time so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

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@Dorian Crosby it worked and I finally got access to my account again. Im so happy! Thanks so much you really help me out!

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@Jamal Carlos happy to help xD

[@johnalexandermcbryde9788]

Awesome dude.

[@Cosmic_Gypsy]

Nice guitar ❤️

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks! 🎸

[@avt_astro206]

Cool Mount !! 🔭🌠🌌

[@arthurlamy5535]

It's a shame that such a expensive mount doesn't have something like iPolar built in.

[@ama168william]

It goes up to 11

[@robertocarloscaruso6840]

Look at those triple x graph... it's obscene. Proud of you though

[@gaylemccrorie]

I blame Married at First Sight Australia. lol. It's my guilty pleasure haha

[@billlong7146]

Dylan if you want to see a dual axis encoder mount in action, I am online and imaging right now on the Mach 2. Let me know.

[@ohwell2790]

Veeerrrrryyyyy interrreeessstttiiinnngggggggggggg. Where is my beer ??????????????????

[@PafMedic]

I Have The Dark Skies,Bortle 3-4,I Need The Clouds To Go Away,3.5 Months,And Maybe 10 Days Inbetween AllThat,Wanted To Do Some Luna Viewing This Morning,All Around The Horizon Is Socked In,You and Your Family Have a Great Day,Be Safe,and God Bless❤️🙏🏼🔭✨🌏

[@jodyknight9497]

In the red, but that Gibson has auto tune... Click! I'm like that with basses only no need for auto tune, phat strings rule!

[@gregnicholl9011]

Amen, sing it brutha!

[@EODHammer]

Excellent Smithers! A Gibson Les Paul Rh! That's a killer mount Dylan. One day, One day...............

[@DylanODonnell]

Hehe thnx man

[@SKYST0RY]

Does this mount have exposed gears?

[@mehere9524]

Hi Dylan, I hope that you find this comment. I was talking with some people about the possibility of a large collaborative work. Essentially the idea is that there are thousands of people pointing their scopes at the sky and gathering data, if were to work together we could put together an enormous set of data in very short order. I've obviously read that the power of gathering subs lies mostly in noise reduction, but it certainly doesn't stop there. A higher number of subs results in more signal as well. So I have a couple of questions I was really hoping that you might address: If say a couple hundred people gathered several thousand subs on a single object would there be real observable value in processing them together? That is, is it likely that the result would show greater detail than the average person working alone? The second question is more one of logistics. In the case that a few hundred people were able to gather data, do you know anyone who would allow us to utilize a powerful computer to process it?

[@DylanODonnell]

I think the different sampling and equipment would just leave you with a blurry image :)

[@Hellridermetal]

beautifull Gibson Man!!! Keep on rocking in the astroword!

[@DylanODonnell]

thanks..I love it so much!

[@OlliesSpace]

So your PHD tracking value multiplied by 10 is mine 🤯. Seriously great looking setup Dylan and nice guitar especially that colour.

[@not_a_human_8739]

You should try Gs server, its in my opinion way better than Eqmod

[@triangulumpubg6295]

One question. Will the NoN RH version (EQ8-R Pro) guide as well as this one?

[@glenncronise7775]

If I had an observatory here in Florida then I would also have lizards in it.

[@techydude]

missed opportunity to remake the Tom Cruise Risky Business scene 🤣

[@legolator]

Finally got some clear skies and then my SA2i decided to act up. After a bit back and forth with Sky-Watcher they wanted me to open it up to see why the motor was spinning so fast, turns out there was a sh!t solder job on the connector going from the main board to the motorcontroller. So because they themselves said it would be roughly 6months before a replacement unit could be sent I decided to go on amazon and buy a bunch of soldering equipment and fix it myself. I don't think I've had such bad luck ever. The only comfort is that it's been sh!t weather ever since it broke completely.

[@DylanODonnell]

Ouch .. that sounds rough! Did you fix it ok?

[@legolator]

@@DylanODonnell Still waiting for the soldering iron and some other stuff to come. But It looks simple enough because the connector came clean off from the circuit board, so it's just a matter of cleaning up the old tin and attaching a new connector. Worst case scenario I can always just remove the male connector from the cables running from the motor and solder them onto the board. But yea just waiting for parts now. Funny enough this most have been dodgy from the start because the problem I was having was the mount would rotate way to fast, like I'd audibly hear the mount and see it spin away so it was not a PA or payload balance issue it was just going way to fast. And it kind of fixed itself as I was lifting the lid off the tracker, but then the error would come back again when putting it back on suggesting that the very same connector that came off was in fact a dodgy job from the start. But I'm staying positive I can fix it. Haven't had to solder in 20 years So i've been binging soldering videos on KZbin for 3 days now. :) One day I'll get a big mount, but I'm a noob still so taking it cool. Cheers mate, be safe. :)

[@gavin5326]

I started to dance, but alas the intro was delayed hahah

[@mtnhorn2619]

Ahh, weather apps, and weather forecasters (i.e., predictors). What happened to the weather accomplishments of Back to the Future II? That was supposedly in 2015. I find that as soon as the "forecasters" go beyond "50% chance of", they get into trouble. At least at 50%, it either will or it won't. Enough said on weather. I love SKYWATCHER. I have a CGX-L for my 11" EdgeHD, and it has worked well for me. But when I purchased a Skywatcher EQ6-R Pro this past summer, I was blown away by the ease of s/u, and the absolute accuracy! I have spent multiple times with it in IDS sites (Death Valley NP, Great Basin NP) assisting park rangers with star parties. Always amazed at the accuracy of "go-to", and how ridiculously quiet the motors are. I can only imagine how much more fine the EQ8-R Pro must be. Please continue your review of your new mount. Most enjoyable, thank you.

[@DylanODonnell]

Man on the moon but nobody can tell me if it’s going to be clear in an hour. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@elmikol2443]

Okay! I'll say it!! Great PHD2 graph!!

[@abhisheksastrophotography7826]

In next video please play Michael Jackson beat it. 😂

[@craiglowery4427]

Great video Dylan. Does the mount have Wi-Fi built in

[@paulcizdziel3769]

Thanks Dylan. I learned a lot. Been doing astrophotography for 6 months so I have a lot to learn. So pardon my basic questions. Do all mounts have some kind of encoder? Do you really need encoders if you are doing guiding and plate-solving to drive the go-to-function? FYI, I use the ASIAIR PRO with a AZ-GTi mount in EQ mode for a 60mm/360mm scope. I am thinking to upgrade, so I want to understand whether I should consider mounts with good encoders or whether it is overkill for my widefield set-up? My intuition tells me the latter.....

[@Avocettech]

Sorry Dylan, your Gibson self-tuning guitar is not an example of ‘encoders’ - it works by negative feedback. The equivalent in an astro mount is the use of plate solving to make a GoTo precise. I do it all the time with my $35 Raspberry Pi running open source Astroberry software, no need for $4000 worth of encoders. My method works for ‘grab and go’, the EQ8Rh Pro is ‘grab and get a hernia’!

[@DylanODonnell]

Absolutely correct :) I did allude to this.

[@derekregan6926]

I'm starting up dislike you Dylan..not only do you have those awesome southern hemisphere targets, you live in bortle 2-3, own obsey, have a beautiful house/ car, talented in software/ musician.. face for u tube, cracking sense of humour, come on read through what I just wrote and I'm sure you would agree DISCLAIMER... it's only jealousy( forbidden sin)... keep up the entertainment for us to enjoy

[@DylanODonnell]

😆

[@StarlancerAstro]

Well guess I got a good one, my new CEM70 was doing .3 to .5, how great of a feeling it was to not toss a single sub, nirvana!

[@DylanODonnell]

yes... it's quite unfamiliar to me to keep the entire run!

[@Hot_Sky_Astronomy]

Lets see who has better guiding, My CEM70EC I'm getting in september, or your EQ8Rh 🤔 I've got a 6m tick advantage on ya, but you got calmer skies

[@777muzzy]

Mount looks great Dylan, looking forward to seeing more pix. We'll have to talk about the Les Paul however.....ha! What did you do with the CGX? You should do a project with it and see if you can retrofit the RA with an encoder...... whats a bit more red on the old bank statement? Maybe you'll come up with a logical solution for these CGX's.