What are the ACTUAL fundamentals of Overwatch? | OW2 Reddit Questions #33

Here we go again, KarQ is back at it again, answering questions on /r/OverwatchUniversity.
Definitely inspired by WIRED's Tech Support.
All of the KarQives content are live edits from the stream at / karq
00:00 - Intro
00:13 - Do people just play Mercy completely wrong in low ranks?
02:58 - What are the ACTUAL fundamentals of Overwatch?
06:31 - Why does Symmetra have so many weaknesses compared to other characters...
09:43 - Who counters Junker Queen?
11:29 - Anyone else stops at Masters?
13:35 - How to deal with a good Doomfist??
15:33 - How are Support players feeling after this patch?
17:37 - Hero pool advice: Winston, Sigma, and ???
18:44 - Should I prioritize dealing damage or healing as Kiriko?
23:53 - Is Torbjorn slept on?
24:55 - Outro
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[@joshp3446]

KarQ: "What is Uptime?" Me: "Not Much what's up with you?"

[@boinqity4621]

every time i see a healbotting support i hear flats yelling "YOU ARE A SUPPORT NOT A HEALER. YOU ARE A SUPPORT NOT A HEALER. YOU ARE A SUPPORT NOT A HEALER"

[@KraanFanFanFanFan]

But people don't get that supporting with damage isn't the same as sometimes healing and being a DPS.

[@Trae4k]

One huge problem with heal botting I've noticed is that when you do have teammates that are taking a lot of damage topping them up at all times mid fight is the worst thing you can do. They are usually super oblivious to how much you are healing them and because they aren't dipping critical a lot, they think they can play even more aggressive and take even more damage. To the point where you are actually just healing them 100% of the time because they are standing in the open eating every shot. Especially true with tanks. Just because they lost 200 health doesn't mean they are even close to about to die, and you can be doing literally anything else besides healing them.

[@cnnr_]

I think the main problem with healbotting is that in a 2v2 scenario their dps would technically die first because they have less healing, but their support turns and hits a shot in between heals, which with the dps passive active, outnumber the healbot's heals so they win or at best trade, but at that time the support runs over and kills the healbot in a 1v1 because they're too inexperienced in fighting back whilst alone.

[@ratboygirl]

@@cnnr_pretty much yeah. as a mercy, if you want your dps to win the 1v1, you hold right click on that mf. ESPECIALLY if your dps is getting low on health. enemy can’t kill you if they’re already dead

[@Lappmogel]

If i'm tank and have some support healbotting me all the time. I'm simply going to go more aggro and take more damage. You know the type, you have a mercy blue beaming a dps and the moment you take a sliver of damage they're on you. Doesn't matter if they have ult, you have a zen orb on you, its just 100 damage or you're being healed by the other support. They're topping you up anyway. Or its just a kiriko/bap that goes 1k dmg and 10k healing.

[@i.r.weasel7042]

1. Play with your team (synergize), don't trickle in by yourself, avoid staggering even if you need to suicide or commit to your death. 2. Understand Ult economy, don't feed, charge your ult asap and don't waste it. 3. Avoid dying for no reason, if you're going to die try to trade something for your life; space, an enemy life, an ult, or a cooldown at least. Everyone dies, make it count. 4. Communication can help you win AND lose, keep it short and simple - low health target and key cooldowns. 5. Always adapt, never give up.

[@someone4650]

15:45 I think another thing that exasperates this is the lack of support options. There’s only 10 supports right now, but really you only get to pick from 9 because your teammate has to pick one. There’s a lot more variety in the other roles so if your default support character ends up getting changed and doesn’t feel as good, there’s not as many options for you to try out.

[@thomashigginsmusic]

10 is plenty

[@TFAmbience]

​@@thomashigginsmusicnot compared to 18 dps characters

[@JordanYee]

I think the Kiriko question at 18:45 is a perfect example of what KarQ was saying earlier about players needing to learn stylistic flexibility in order to play this game well. Playing for midfight value vs farming for ult is a playstyle choice that a lot of heroes have. Same with playing for kills vs playing for pressure. Knowing which is appropriate in any given situation is a really important skill that isn't talked about enough, and the result is a player base with an overly linear way of thinking about the game that causes a lot of unnecessary frustration.

[@Nungutn]

The audio balance between the music and vocals is solid on the one q 👍

[@Justsomeguy19699]

As a gold dps I can confirm that we cannot hit shots consistently and understand a mercy just pumping out heals lmoa

[@MasterMemo]

Yeah....if I'm getting damage boosted, there's a good chance they're wasting their time lmao

[@jfp4life]

Performance anxiety is real

[@razerscale3590]

Idk I'd also argue that if you are missing some shots that's makes damage boost even more valuable for you as the boost will make up for the shots you miss.

[@ccricers]

An easy way for me to spot a smurfing duo in metal ranks is the DPS carry being hard pocketed by a Mercy

[@prestonmitchell9135]

​@@razerscale3590the math maths

[@DaLoserisYou]

These and the hot take videos are the ones I look forward to the most out of any streamer. Keep it up!

[@ubadman1]

The scoreboard brought out the good and bad in players. It provides a lot of info but wirthout game knowledge the stats have no meaning.

[@matthewbrears2129]

It's just like the SR system really - expected wins/reversal losses are solely based on the average SR of the teams, not the blatant mismatch in actual skill level. If only blizzard gave actual feedback and rewarded actual good gameplay. e.g. the amount of hog players that are like "I've got more healing than our supports", not understanding that that just means that they fed their brains out all game lol

[@WhereIsYourID]

Great advice on the fundamentals part. You're definitely not wrong. But I will say, in metal ranks up-time and down-time are not the same as they are in higher ranks. Playing in both, in the metal ranks theres really not always a good sense of uptime & downtime and taking/giving space. I dont know how to explain it, but people just run/fly into the open and even if you put a shot into them they wont move & in some cases even keep trying to take space. Which works out for me because its a free kill and then they have downtime. But when its multiple people in a lobby, teammates included, it really really makes the team fights extremely diluted. Everyones just head-butting eachother, both teams will either have zero space or too much space (envision a diagram with the 2 circles being each team), and theres no real way to give/take space because everyone is just everywhere. I'll think im on an off-angle but then the entire team fight eill wind up on that off-angle with me. Its honestly very infuriating & makes playing the game atba fundamental level stressful. Ive heard this a lot but playing with bad players makes you realize theyre so bad it almost works into their favor sometimes. Its the same as campers in COD, theyll sit in random dark corners with a shotgun & one pump you. To me that shows zero mechanical or fundamental skill but to them they just out-smarted me without even realizing it. The same can be applied to overwatch. Entire teams will overextend & create a very weird team fighting dynamic that completely screws up the spacing and uptime/downtime each team is experience. Its like everyone is feeding at the same time or no is getting a kill at all. Im rambling but just wajted to point out my experiences in metal ranks. As I climbed that dynamic obviously changed

[@matthewbrears2129]

It's just deathmatch. Streamers mistakenly assume everyone in our games understand how to play overwatch, so they give tips based on high ranks. If they played down in plat for a while, they'd have to be better at deathmatch than everyone else, not better at overwatch lol

[@serathaevistille995]

As someone who's finally been trying Comp as a Tank, yeah i feel this more than anything lol.

[@DJWolfHouse]

I’ve played on plat and Top 500. It’s really not that different. I was genuinely disappointed after hitting Top 500. I don’t consider changing my uptime/downtime at all. Though my uptime is way higher in the lower ranks because people suck.

[@WhereIsYourID]

@@DJWolfHouse Thats my point. Im not saying I change my uptime (If I did I didnt mean that), Im saying because players suck in low elo they change how the games play out. They dont understand how to take/give space so its just a kamikaze fight most of the time. Im still able to stomp & play fundamentally correct but I do hsve to adjust slightly sometimes

[@lostmycat5671]

​@@matthewbrears2129no, and saying anything otherwise is straight up delusion in thinking your fundamentals are up to snuff to rank up + playing enough games and allowing yourself time to improve. the amount of people I've seen claim they play fundamentally sound while they constantly make game throwing plays on a regular basis is absolutely astounding even at masters+ (take an actual look at a game you've played a few days after you've played it to remove some of your bias to your own play)

[@Frallicus]

as someone who plays a lot of qp and comp dps, getting a mercy 90% is usually a heal botter, always heals only the tank, usually ends up being the throw pick (typically we also have Lucio as well, and lucio mercy is the support comp of all time). legit it took me forever to get out of losing streaks because of them sometimes. Shout out to the 10% though who actually play mercy so well they actually win us the round

[@TheLensofBias]

Thanks for answering my question about Torb. You hardly ever see Torb being played nowadays, especially in the higher ranks, which is why I was so curious about it. I think I’ll give him a shot

[@satyre81]

Torbjorn is one of my top 3 heroes played. I love him. People feel his primary fire is weird, but I somehow really vibe with the arc and do well with it. He's kinda tanky and with the turret as well he can be a great bodyguard for your supports. Look up some videos on turret placement and have fun!

[@darkshaman98]

On mercy I generally heal whoever's low otherwise damage boost people in good positions, in low ranks DPS tend to run at the enemy team a lot and I don't see the value in two people going down

[@jurijskobecs2803]

So you are playing mercy wrong; point;

[@darkshaman98]

@@jurijskobecs2803 so you're saying I should let the DPS and other support die and lose the fight? clueless

[@ratboygirl]

do you use voice comms?

[@ateddybear1392]

13:55 as someone that plays Sombra 96% of the time, just over focus Doomfist. Unless they have a Zen to torment, give ruining doom’s time your full commitment. They almost always switch and it’s a victory at that point

[@Das_Ungeheuer]

As a Ball main with Sombra in his hero pool I have 2 things for you: 1. You're evil. 2. I really like going against your kind as Ball because that strat makes you predictable, and I've learn a thing or 2 on how Chazm counters his counters.

[@Meese12]

For supports Brig and Moira are good choices. Both have a lot of survivability while Moira has a lot of mobility to dodge his dives and Brig has whip shot and shield bash to force him out of position and negate his abilities.

[@RoDoDo1601]

Cring sombra player ur the reason the game ain't fun

[@matthewbrears2129]

They need to do Overwatch guides that focus on "how to play with [insert stereotypical metal rank player]". Most OW tips/guides assume that everyone in the match plays the game correctly.

[@mateotobarr]

I really hope the "symm needs a new identity" comes to life soon 🌠

[@shawnbleeds]

I’m trapped in Bronze and I remember one time my team was flaming for pocketing OUR widow. The widow did have a slow start but after like 3 mins every other shot they hit was a kill. And I wasn’t glued to widow, I was mostly bouncing between the tank and widow, still mostly on widow though

[@cmack6275]

Can't widow one shot without a mercy damage boost?

[@Sindoku]

Honestly the biggest advice I can give a silver is to use cover, take safe yet aggressive off angles after your team engages but don’t miss more than 2 seconds of combat when doing so, and finally, rotate, when the enemy moves up, you move back, and vice versa.

[@JuanRodriguez-rd9nd]

As A JQ main, Cass is her biggest DPS counter.

[@bakedbeings]

Symettra: she wasn't designed, she was reworked away from a meaningful design. She was a glass cannon who punished you for being out of position (auto aim) and unaware of her. Her escape was to set up a trap zone with lasers, where she could run to a health pack. She was broken down gradually and undesigned as players complained about her.

[@ncascini01]

That first question about people playing mercy wrong in low ranks was a question that hurt my brain. Most people in low ranks are playing their hero "wrong." If they played their hero optimally, they would be in a higher rank. You're in the thick of pepegaville. Your question went like this: "Is it just me, or are the citizens of pepegaville also pepega's? Does that mean they do pepega things?" Yes, pepega, it's it does.

[@bennettnez4711]

At this point I prefer having a Lifeweaver on my team over a Mercy by a lot. The healing is better, damage boost isnt wasted and tree wins fights.

[@joker013ssb5]

Sort of agree with the support players take, sick of dive heroes and being in kiri/moira jail, love the heroes but I much prefer Ana and Zen

[@ducasse8473]

Idk how this is different from being in ana/brig jail. Your sig rein is just gonna stand out in the open and get poked brawled all day and the moment you look away they'll die and call you dogshit. This issue just boils down to "im not good enough to carry and my team is toxic."

[@drattyg8099]

As somebody who has a looooot of hours on mercy, especially since the dps passive healing reduction, I don't know how people play healbot mercy, trying to keep anyone alive with her just feels bad. I only touch her if I have an ashe, sojourn, pharah, etc., and every once in a while, a godlike jq.

[@ianchambers37]

As a jq main(for tank anyways), I always appreciate a good mercy for sure.

[@Zambiez]

Singing about his problems with Condors, goated verse

[@emacliftsalot]

The other end of the spectrum is a mercy that never peels/heals anyone else besides their dps player. While the 2 player resources detract and inhibit the rest of the team/esp the tank. This is most common in low diamond first placements for players that arent really that rank trying to (carry) and its pretty frustrating when you are a much high elo player or for anyone else who is accurately placed there vs trying to boost to a skill level they dont deserve.

[@TTMPLMKR]

A huge tip from me. Gm sup Master Tank. IS TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR BEST CHARACTER IS…. AND GET BETTER AT THEM. Obviously have a few other swaps in the pocket. But if you can get really good at two characters per position, you will get into diamond. In diamond is when you have to learn about real positioning and downtime movement/setup. You will never climb out of metal tanks playing every character because you don’t actually get good at a play style

[@Sebboebbo]

Da support king is back baby he neva miss we're eating good today y'all

[@cnnr_]

I think symettra should be able to teleport between her turrets as long as they're within 25m. have her teleporter ability replaced with a forward facing zarya-bubble type shield that charges up her beam, and reduces the charge time on long range shots. Her turrets would have a timed life so you can't just place all three in a line and use infinite to get back to point from spawn.

[@6torthor]

No offense, but this advice for macro fundamentals wasn’t that helpful Spilo is a coach (that coached Overwashed as well) and has a series on fundamentals which I’m sure he taught them a bit of as well If you want an important gist, Overwatch is like a FPS MOBA game, hence why the more you think about the game as space management, the easier it’ll become to understand the important macro concepts They are: 1. Planning 2. Timing 3. Positioning 4. Mechanics Each is important in each stage of the fight, being the prefight, poke phase (setup), and midfight (or just ‘the fight’) The trio of comps (poke, dive, brawl, and their variants) all express the macro concepts but with slightly different executions. Some are preferred over the others due to map sight lines that favor the comp and team hero pools, and if you’re competing with 0.1% of teams, only then does meta really matter. Execution of the fundamentals and your team’s wincon based on the composition can otherwise 99.9% of the time beat the meta. This is why you’ll have games where a counter pick doesn’t work, such as Winston against Mauga on Gibraltar, understanding the game’s fundamentals at a higher level will carry games, not top 10 counterpicks

[@epicgamingmoment2715]

Does aim just take time to improve at? OW is kinda the first comp shooter I've ever really played and my aim is kinda trash, I suppose it just gets better with time, yeah?

[@PhenomRom]

Just like any skill, improvement requires you to actively train to improve the skill.

[@ratboygirl]

overwatch was my first fps and for me, it’s the hardest to build muscle memory from. there are so many different hit boxes and movement abilities that you’re never really doing the same thing game-to-game. playing valorant is what made my aim get better lol id say check out one of the many aim trainer/warmup workshop codes!

[@defysjandl7201]

JQ during April fools was one of the best heroes I have played in this game ♥

[@Lil_Puppy]

1. Left mouse button 2. Right mouse button sometimes 3. When the thing in the middle glows, press Q 4. E is your friend, sometimes it's everyone else's friend 5. Why is Sombra not tagging enemies, she's chasing them... 6. Spam vocal line #1 with macro key 7. After round press macro key #1, #2, #3 that say something about sucking thumbs or other copy pasta 8. W mostly but A and D most with some strategic S 9. Spam Space 10. Do you even crouch bro? 11. Stand in clear view of Widowmaker, if not in clear view of Widowmaker, press your luck and peak to get a glimpse of the bullet.

[@ianchambers37]

Brig still feels fun and solid to play this season. Im terrible at bap, kiriko unfortunately.

[@zechsoner]

Algorithm love

[@emacliftsalot]

Thatbkiriko should know their role within their team and whay ult is necessary pre fight. If they are main support they have tk heal way more for success

[@profitknives]

Although I'd agree that sym has a fair bit of weaknesses, id actually argue shes super strong. Her beam becomes easier to hit with each charge level and allows you to regenerate shield health if an enemy also has some. (Charge which can be easily farmed on tanks, barriers, or heroes with larger hitboxes like bastion), while still putting out moderate-good dps at lower ones. Her poke damage isnt as consistent as a hitscan hero such as Cass, but 100 dmg orbs with the hitbox the size of Torbjörn, and no falloff damage is pretty strong. Her tp allows for coordinated play or solo flanking when the opportunities arise and also allows for you to effectively cancel an enemy dive comp. Her turrets although best used defensively, still have room for offensive play (turret bombs or rush comps). I'd say her biggest downfall is the ultimate, but its not completely useless. She's certainly more difficult to play on a non KOTH map, but isnt anywhere as bad as some players make her out to be.

[@Adura10]

i dont have reddit so imma ask this here. why doesnt overwatch have a loss prevention for having a leaver in comp matches? this has happened to me a couple times now(3 times in a row at one point) where we're winning a match and finish the first round in a really strong position but then a teammate leaves and now we cant leave unless we get penalized + the loss. second round comes and we obviously cant win the 5v4. game ends and we take the loss because of something completely out of our control. i've played call of duty's ranked mode and even they have a loss stat prevention in case something like that happens. there's already a hefty penalty for the leaver, why does the rest of the team have to suffer too? it just overall feels like such a shitty way to lose and ends up making me just wanna stop playing the game and i know the devs are trying to the exact opposite. edit: i chose to not include about why i think the player might leave but i get the feeling its more likely to be the game crashing than the player deliberately leaving, especially when we're winning. which again brings the question, why punish the rest of the team for something outside of their control.

[@user-gj4ml7su3n]

To add to the Kiriko question: The GM smurf in Plat is going to go DPS Kiriko. They can destroy everyone in the lobby and it's better for the stream.

[@GuidedByCompassion]

On the first "Hot Take"... as a Mercy main, I can say that in those games where I do actually have 1 or more DPS players on my team that actually ARE good, like really good, I DO spend most of the game Blue Beaming them. But then you get those games where your other Support is focusing a little too much on doing damage, and if you as Mercy don't pick up the slack and do most of the healing at that point, then your team is just going to consistently lose the attrition fight. What happens if your other Support is a Zenyatta, Lucio, or Illari? You're just going to HAVE to heal more, or else your team isn't going to be able to sustain. This is why I much prefer to have my other Support be someone with a lot of healing, like Moira (Yes I know Moira/Mercy is considered 'bad'), Kiriko, Ana (I especially love having this granny, her 'nade can both anti the other team, and also boost your heals to the point of not being useless), and sometimes I like having a Baptiste, even though Mercy/Bap is also considered bad.

[@jurijskobecs2803]

Lol.. if your dps are good - chances of winning definitely already high enough to play any sup; but in case (99% of the games) they are not - your job is to boost them to become better vs op dps

[@boinqity4621]

even if they're just average it's best to blue beam them. an average dps with a damage boost will have the output of an amazing dps, and as a mercy healing the tank quite frankly shouldn't be your job. that's up for either the tank to do themselves for mauga/hog or your other support

[@GuidedByCompassion]

@@jurijskobecs2803 You have a point, but what about those games where your dps are bad, AND your other support isn't healing? If you don't heal a lot at that point, how are you supposed to win?

[@boinqity4621]

@@jurijskobecs2803exactly, i dont understand why you would complain about average dps as a mercy since your whole point is to make those average dps into hard carried

[@CometdownCat]

2:12 bro adderall is best used in moderation if not just simply exactly as prescribed/listed on the label….

[@emacliftsalot]

Good dooms actually win the resource battle long term like sigma. Bad dooms all in their cooldowns and dont slam cycle and bait the sleep/cc out. Thats why zebra quacked, issac/destroyer and cardi can q trick him

[@e3vL1]

5:25 What's LOS?

[@beeseggstoast9551]

line of sight

[@johnnymeansii]

Maybe if they didn't make her a physician named Mercy with a heal beam, it would be more intuitive that she's better for damage boosting.

[@K4rmine]

As a non native English speaker (and writer) I sometimes feel discouraged to comment because of those grammar observations that you do. I mean, it's not wrong to point them out, but you seem to be a good teacher of OW2 so I think you could just like, correct the sentence while you read it or something so we (non native English speakers or ppl learning) can identify our mistakes, just like we are learning to be better players

[@Gunwhiteghost]

The first guy is wrong. Do people expect a dps taking on at least 3 of the enemy team? No that’s the tanks job and should be receiving most of the heals, but I admit I can be wrong if the support has another good support that could pocket the tank while mercy can pocket the dps

[@joshuamckay3309]

I feel like the first mercy question isn't being looked at from a gold player view. In gold your tank will stand in the open and take a ton of damage, so will your dps. If mercy tries to pocket someone then your team will die. As you go up in rank players use cover more and grab health packs more and give you the opportunity to do more boosting than healing. Mercy can boost but you're probably bad and taking too much damage. If "no" mercy is pocketing you then there is only one common denominator, you. There's no way that all Mercy's refuse to damage boost a cracked DPS, you're probably not as good as you think you are and are blaming the supports, par for the course.

[@lindahhh]

13:30 top 95%?

[@JaziB]

The fundamentals of Overwatch are: Group up, communicate, click heads, and don't C9.

[@myyoutubecommentschannel8784]

Imagine being a Sym main

[@tazmanian4874]

If you're in gold or below buy a diamond acc and play that and it will show you if you are any good or actually belong in lower ranks

[@Stigma0005]

There needs to be a system so that when the mercy yellow beams the tank too long. It bricks their system😂 😂

[@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers]

"Dive has been meta for so long" - lol, wut? Dive **was** meta for like a few weeks, but that's been bookended by endless Orisa. It's been HORSE for season after season broken up by MAUGGGGGAAA!!!!!! and like 3 weeks of dive. What even are you smoking if you think Dive's been meta for "so long"?

[@ianchambers37]

Maybe the dps part of dives were okay(unnecessary tracer buffs etc)but the dive tanks until recently were struggling I felt somewhat. Support were more or less the same.

[@Madeline-di4wh]

I mean in my experience ever since the dps passive came out, just about every game will have some combination of: Doomfist, Dva, Sombra, tracer, echo, Kiriko , and Lucio . That’s a span of a couple months.

[@ianchambers37]

@Madeline-di4wh I find the only constant is usually a sombra at some point. If on defense, then the team will usually have one of the following heroes(sometimes two) for dps: Mei, symmetra, sombra, torb, or widow. Almost never fails. It's as annoying as it sounds, lol.

[@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers]

No offense, but what rank are you guys playing? I mean, you're talking about seeing tons of Sym, Mei, and Torb? In season 10? The higher ranks (i.e., the ranks where there actually is a meta, since by definition, that doesn't exist below the point where players are hitting the heroes' skill ceiling) it's been Orisa comps nearly non stop.

[@ianchambers37]

@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers the orisas have mostly been replaced by mauga or hog, but occasionally, I still see one. The odd ram, rein, or dva as well. I am currently hovering between silver and gold. As for the torb, mei, or symmetra, it's not that often, mainly on a defense against my team. It's usually a sombra, and then the other hero is some combination of those I mentioned. Occasionally, it's a different dps like venture these days. They are all equally annoying, usually lol.

[@gianlucamangora8955]

Obrigado CarroQ

[@sinanuygur5273]

"Am i what am I?"- no. Stacks stacks stacks,.. are you afraid? "yes", KQ, you are boring me at this moment tbh. You are cruising around the bandaid. Hit it!

[@JohnJohn-hc9wl]

This new meta is terrible I’m currently plat or diamond(idfk) on tank and every game i am just being ran at by the enemy tank and team. Literally every team fight from rein to df. Fortunately ik how to play the game and im slowly climbing back up the ranks but is this really the tank experience everyone else is getting or am i just really good at complaining?

[@celticsgirl]

why do mercy players sit on tanks? i just dont get it

[@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers]

Bluntly, almost everyone in gold and below is playing their heroes wrong. Using Surefour/Jayne's "three part" skill model (gamesense, positioning, mechanics), to be gold below requires being at least mediocre on all three and being actively bad on at least one. If your aim is genuinely good, that alone can get you to plat even if your gamesense & positioning are pants. If your gamesense and/or positioning are genuinely good, you'll be able to get out of silver & gold just on that, even if your mechanics aren't great. The metal ranks require a deficiency to stay there - by definition. Plat is average, if you're average at everything, you end up in Plat. To be below that therefore requires being below average at something. So, either someone has truly awful mechanics, and that's what's keeping them gold and below, or they have bad gamesense and/or positioning - i.e., they're playing their hero wrong. And given there are plenty of heroes that have an ability kit that minimizes the effects of mechanics, even bad mechanics isn't enough to keep someone in bronze-gold unless they just insist on playing mechanically demanding heroes (i.e. someone with truly horrible aim but good gamesense & position can always go Moira, Brig, Monke, Rein, Pharah, etc. where mechanics are far less important).

[@navinanase]

1 fundamental for overwatch is... RANDOMS STOP PLAYING IT LIKE ITS VALORANT, COD OR FORTNITE.

[@ducasse8473]

Idk how one would accomplish this outside of bronze. You cant exactly hop in a car or throw a flashbang in OW.

[@matthewbrears2129]

unfortunately, I reckon the only way to get out of metal ranks is to get better at the game that everyone else is trying to play (deathmatch, not overwatch)

[@navinanase]

@@matthewbrears2129 damnn guess I'll have to play Mercy 76 to climb ranks

[@matthewbrears2129]

@@navinanase literally lol Supports have to kill 2 and keep everyone alive every fight lol

[@CometdownCat]

Amen on that NavelAnal

[@BrokenSkunk]

Symmetra may have weaknesses, but she’s still a cancerous design.

[@kiler_119]

Stop saying game being like dbd is bad playing dbd surv is most casual game I know I guess if u mean killers then maybe it's a sweat fest bc it's way to ez to be good surv when killer have to try hard to win

[@ratboygirl]

dbd is an asymmetrical horror game and overwatch is a 5v5 competitive fps, they shouldn’t be similar lol

[@nietbarkie1380]

12 vieuws in 2 minutes, bro fell off

[@danboygamer]

🤖

[@CruzingwithCruz]

Not funny

[@mikeockslong4795]

@@CruzingwithCruz Did you know humor is subjective?