What are the best creatures for your Jurassic World Evolution 2 Challenge Mode Run?

Link to the google spreadsheet for you all: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Now I'm going to crash for the night. Good luck everyone!

[@alexdicker5613]

An small but notable fact for coelophysis: It can’t pact hunt. That means you can put it with larger herbivores Great video by the way, can’t wait for you to gain the subs you deserve! (Which is in the 10 millions by the way)

[@heartlesskitten88]

Thank you so much for this list. I'm working my way through the challenge modes, this is a god send.

[@KingDennyFrost]

wow this these states are huge for any player taking on challenge mode. I just finished canada and germany hard and taking on U.K using this video. Great video you deserve lot more subs for this one.

[@krizviciouz1856]

Instant subscription. This channel it's full of awesome contents, well explained, and for sure you'll grow up fast as you deserve. Thanks. 👊 Greetings from Italy 👋🇮🇹

[@Dinobro007]

Thanks for the positive vibes my dude

[@loganarroyo7927]

Bruh I am speechless, thank you so much

[@embuikema]

Thank you for doing the math I would have never, ever bothered doing. This was very helpful and in some cases, surprising!

[@Kentuckyy]

this video helped me out cuz in one of your vids it made me realize that it is the best creature in the game and yet the cheapest to extract and synthesize and you also helped me in finishing my hard mode southwest so you earned a sub from me :)

[@kuitaranheatmorus9932]

Tylosaurus is now my dawg,also this video was awesome

[@terraworld5908]

thx for the work you put into that!

[@hunterjarman4728]

Haven’t been to this channel in a while and I really thought it was gone and I am glad I was wrong. Great video.

[@ngythe1king]

Great video man! Thanks for your hard work!

[@tardelli2559]

Kudos to you bro, amazing job...

[@danielmiller4354]

Hey man appreciate putting the work in to get us these statistics. Earned yourself a subscriber for sure. I was curious however I am gonna go take a look at some of your other videos. But if you could maybe do a simplistic video on how from A to Z do the challenge modes. I think a lot of people would find this helpful. I watched your tips video previously and it helped a lot. I still get hung up trying to progress as efficiently as possible to the marine animals on hard mode. Gonna try to combine this video with that and get some of this better dinos in my park.

[@danielmiller4354]

Side note I did find your streams on there so will probably check those out.

[@Kolosalus]

Tylosaurus is absolutely bonkers. 3 of them were giving me like a 2.5 stars with amenities near them... crazy

[@bigsam0069]

This is freaking awesome!

[@marweha7002]

Nasutoceratops, nodosaurus and struthios are an amazing starting cage Always one of my first. -Doesnt need much space -They all like the same stuff -Money Money Money Really just try it, amazing

[@Dinobro007]

Very good starting combo, just don’t forget to add some Muttaburrasaurus. They have issues with Struthi, but it’s manageable

[@bigeasy1383]

it took me almost a day just to find how good tylosaurus they are lol,,, but you list is very accurate,,, i start using most of the dino u mention in the list ,,, just ignore the flying ones and ceratops of course nodo is one of the best but they suffer because they fight a lot i mean a lot ,,,,adorable little bastards

[@Dinobro007]

For less than $5,000 per appeal point, they can fight all they want. At least they’re cheap compared to the overly aggressive ceratopsians

[@Dukemon94]

Keep up!

[@RandomGuy-cx1gp]

Thumbs up 👍🏻

[@thatoneguychad420]

Fuck yes! Making formulas and shit ❤️ that's my jam.

[@CobraLats]

Thank you, The other channels talk about flair too much and don't do the math.

[@Dontbestingymark]

I wouldn't be surprised if you are still sleeping good work

[@funkywubby]

Great work! Thanks for putting in the effort! Do you have any favorite herbivore cohabitation combos? I have mostly been playing around with carnivores and aquatics, since the herbivores seem like so much work, especially some of the sauropods that need giant enclosures!

[@Dinobro007]

Honestly not really. Herbivores are really just to fill in species requirement gaps that my droves of much more valuable carnivores couldn’t. I’m not the biggest fan of the herbivores as much of them seem like wastes of money tbh

[@marweha7002]

Nodosaurus, Struthios and Nasutoceratops are an really really amazing early cage: -can be really small -all love the same things -all are cheap and u make a good amount of money U can add amarga, but it needs groundfiber what the other doesnt. Maybe add it a bit later with a tiny bit of fiber

[@scottycheesecake]

Love the thumbnail hahaha

[@benjaminkarasinski6258]

Fact

[@Veelaru]

Still, make sure you have accumulated enough money to hatch tylos at the last challenge. They tend to have negative traits quite frequently, so be ready to synthesize them 2+ times, and make sure you have at least 5-10m before doing so

[@Dinobro007]

Umm… so fun fact. The negative traits that appear in Tylosaurus have no affect of their longevity. Only physical traits have that lifespan reducing affects. Tylosaurus’ negative traits are all social so it has no affect on their age

[@Veelaru]

@@Dinobro007 wow bro, thanks! I would spare a lot of money if I knew it 😅 Was too lazy/wasn’t too risk taking to check it myself

[@Dinobro007]

I only figured it out with the help of chat during my stream so don’t feel so bad. I was in your boat until someone convinced me to keep one of the aggressive ones and I saw it for myself

[@nuke2099]

I appreciate this list you made (yet to get around to challenge mode and I'm waiting for JP era in it to be added). Personally I will be making some of the "trash" species just to unlock them at least once. :D Shame Iguanadon isn't great for the cost because it looks great same for Geosternbergia....why are the better looking species imo worse cost to appeal wise than the worst looking species (looking at you JW version of Pteranodon I need that JP3 skin). I wonder how the DLC species will fair. Also when it comes to legacy skins can you use them in challenge mode? Because I was told that they're for sandbox only which will suck if true because I want JP3 Pteranodons, Dominion Giga's, legacy T-rex etc.

[@SuperJJParker]

Do you multiply these numbers based on how many of the species you need? So for argument sake if you have to have 4 struthiomimus to make sure they're not lonely that costs $24,000 and you only need 2 dracorex at $18,000 wouldn't that make the dracorex the best? Great video idea and great content 👏

[@Dinobro007]

I didn’t, for the sake of fairness I simply did it based on one single creature. Using the min social limit would’ve take me so much longer too and I just did t have the time. Perhaps when I have more time I can throw that into the equation Plus all it would do is reaffirm most of these top placing contenders since they almost all have a social requirement of 1. I will, however, update the google doc with minimum social requirements as that is also useful info to know

[@rfurlongfire]

Actually dracorex needs 3 I captured 2 from the wild and they were lonley

[@goliath_beast7967]

So get a lagoon, plesiosaur, and tylosaurus? Hopefully this will help my eventual run on Canada and SW USA on hard difficulty. I'm trying to get all of the skins, and both maps intimidate me.

[@Dinobro007]

Lagoon, plesiosaur, and then tylosaurus/kronosaurus is legit the best strategy in the game. It trivialized basically all my challenge mode runs I used it on

[@lofvers8907]

What about the creatures’ needs and such? That is definitely a factor that should be considered.

[@Dinobro007]

Not really, all the creatures have needs. It’s negligible when you’re talking millions of dollars

[@MainerdLoyd]

@@Dinobro007 Where needs are important is in creating super exhibits. The same foods and compatibility really help boost appeal per square foot of a exhibit. While compies look like trash on paper they are very strong since they can go in medium and large carnivore exhibits to boost appeal. They also work in many herbivore exhibits also. This is why they are so expensive they can boost nearly every exhibits appeal..

[@tomparker8282]

Do these scores for the marine animals take into account how much it costs to get lagoons up and running? Because I think that is the biggest setback for those animals. Similar for the pterosaurs.

[@Dinobro007]

And building cages for the dinosaurs doesn’t cost money either? The cage cost and size is not standard, it’s up to the player. There no one size fits all method for that so it’s not in the calculation

[@KirkWilliams300]

Question, what are your times for completion on each map (without using the attraction cheese)

[@Dinobro007]

I don't use that method, but my Jurassic Difficulty runs (aside from Canada) are all under half par time

[@KirkWilliams300]

@@Dinobro007 same times for me, I’m just trying to figure out why frontier hasn’t nerfed the innovation center spam, all they would have to do is either limit the amount that can be built in a map or make them suffer appeal penalties for having multiple ones.

[@Dinobro007]

@@KirkWilliams300 I don't mind it, the game isn't very well balanced to begin with. I mean if I ask them to fix that they might also fix my Tylosaurus exploit where I won South West with like 6 species. I say just let them play their boring way so they more advanced players don't have their strats messed with

[@pdxcorgidad]

Loving these videos. My partner, who is an Excel whiz (currently accounts payable at the school where she works & in school for Accounting), is putting in updated DLC using your formulas. Would it be okay to share it with you when she completes it to gain your feedback?

[@Dinobro007]

I wouldn’t mind, I’ve been too lazy to make an updated version myself

[@pdxcorgidad]

@@Dinobro007 Oh we don't mean to try to rush you or anything. By no means. We are using your spreadsheet, which again is pretty great, have added a few columns because we can't help but look far too deeply into this and are making a ranking of, ya know, all of the animals in the game. Okay so she's the one doing all the spreadsheet work. Then we have two additional opinion parts to the rankings. It won't change much, but it's like, "Okay if you're playing sandbox, this is also what you should do." We're finalizing the rankings and working on the video now, and we think you'll really like it. Your stuff gave us the idea. Thank you!

[@ngythe1king]

Hey man, I just realized you didn’t categorize any of the large herbivores like the Brachiosaurus. Bc I see Diplocus as number 9 but he’s not listed anywhere on your lists of categories

[@Dinobro007]

Yeah I think some other people mentioned that before. I have a bad habit of always forgetting something so this is all on me. The good news is that Sauropods are fairly low tier with extremely high costs that absolutely do not justify their score values

[@ngythe1king]

@@Dinobro007 thanks for letting me know man

[@azazel5626]

If u consider area/ appeal this is invalid and suchimum,megalosaurus,acho-that carnivore comes way at top

[@Dinobro007]

I find that a meaningless statistic. If you’re worried about space that much you have more problems to worry about. Only on England could that be considered truly useful imo

[@azazel5626]

@@Dinobro007 but i dont think money is a problem in this game even in jurassic difficulty,only at the start its a problem

[@Dinobro007]

@@azazel5626 That’s exactly what I mean. If you’re that worried about space/score then you’re clearly low on cash. Only if you were squeezing out every ounce of cash would you need to think in such a way. The biggest brained chads will just build 8 different lagoons and put either Tylosaurus or Kronosaurus in them for an easy victory

[@rexioh7547]

Will you add the dlc dinosaurs?

[@Dinobro007]

Perhaps. I was going to wait until they finished development to do so though

[@rexioh7547]

@@Dinobro007 Okay good to know

[@Marzimus]

You should be putting pictures of each of these dinos when mentioning them. Audience needs to see what exactly you're talking about. 👌

[@Dinobro007]

It was 1 am and I was exhausted. I just didn’t have it in me, sorry

[@danielmiller4354]

You mean you don’t have every dinosaur memorized from every era alphabetically??? 😂 are you even a Jurassic park fan?!

[@user-fm8ol4dj2v]

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[@chesh05]

Okay. So there are a LOT of other factors that impact this. For instance: Not all the foliage is created equal. Some foliage will cost you easily over a half-million dollars to keep ONE Dino happy. And some dinos can inhabit and cohabitate better than others. For instance, Brachiosaurus requires HUGE paddocks with lots of Tall Nuts (I think that's the right foliage) and that is NOT cheap. So does it become better to have 5 Apata vs 5 Brachi? It very well could. Of course once you have unlocked a Dino it gets far easier to spam it and add more and more thus giving you a more and more efficient return on investment. But doing the math only for the first dino created? OF COURSE that's going to be heavily skewed when you have 1million+ Dig Sites and 8million+ Research Costs. So while some of this data is valuable, I'd love to see it go much more in depth and accounting for the following: Optimum Number of the Species. (How many can you comfortably fit in the paddock before the size of the paddock becomes far too awkward.) Cohabitation (Which species pair together quite nicely - perhaps even eating some of the same foliage.) Foliage Cost. Return on Investment (Accounts for the species' lifespan and how cost effective it is to make more once you've fully unlocked them.) How often do they fight (IF they fight). Do they break out during or immediately after storms? (That huge dip in Safety Rating can easily cost you a million or more.)

[@Dinobro007]

My dude, all of these things vary wildly. Your cage size dictates how many you can fit of a the same species, no amount of foliage cost will make a really good creature suddenly trash, and so on an so forth. It’s all based on so many different factors that trying to account for even half of them would leave you on a wild goose chase. You don’t know how big the cage is for said creature, you don’t know what traits it’ll have, you don’t know anything about the dozens of possible ways a creature can be used in the game. Using your logic we’d come to no conclusion at all without such heavy restrictions we’d basically just be back to my simple formula. At the end of the day, this simple chart is the most basic and effective way of judging a creature’s worth. Make your decision, pick what you want, it’s up to you

[@chesh05]

@@Dinobro007 I'm aware at how difficult it would be to measure all of these things, but I'm also pointing out at how flawed your logic is as well. You say researching an Ankylo is far from worth because of the upfront cost - and while I get that - the point of it is it doesn't take much foliage, it doesn't take a large paddock, and it plays relatively nice with other dinos. But you're completely ignoring all of that for the sake of measuring it in one of the only ways you know how to. That data is far from irrelevant but it's also nowhere near as relevant as you'd like it to be. Now I could use a better example than an Anky but since that one is a pretty bad outlier I figured I'd use it. So yeah, I get why you wouldn't want to make a video that tests all of these things (because it would be difficult and EXTREMELY time consuming), but you're looking at these dinos in a vacuum with none of the things they need and none of the things that makes them better or worse - such as how well they play nice with others. Bottom Line: It's too big of a deal to gloss over like you did.

[@chesh05]

@bimb I never said it wasn't useful, and I stated outright that it would take ages to take everything else into account, but once you get a creature unlocked AND you have a functioning paddock for it, you get a sort of rebate built into the cost and his method doesn't account for that at all which skews the results heavily.

[@Dinobro007]

Any creature you get will give you a return on investment so I don’t see how that changes anything. When you’re fighting against the systems this game has I place, spending millions on an Ankylosaurus when you already have Nodosaurus will never make any sense no matter how you slice it. There is no comfortable baseline to work from beyond these stats simply because of all the available options the player has to... well do everything they do. My stats are a base line to work from. They tell you who will give you the best return in your investment as soon as you get them. That’s what the data represents and no amount of ‘but the foliage’ will change that. The small few creature in which foliage is that much of a dealbreaker is such a small statistic it really wasn’t worth the time or effort... plus the humble gene makes a lot of those issue disappear

[@chesh05]

​@@Dinobro007 Minimum herd size, maximum herd size, space required, cohabitation, foliage, cost to synthesize and incubate, and appeal ARE. ALL. RELEVANT. And the way you did this doesn't even come close to accurately measuring all of them. You do stats for only the first dino out the gate and that will NEVER be a good way to measure these stats. Like I'm trying to be civil and point that out but you just keep ignoring it and no amount of ignoring it is going to validate the statistics you took. The LEAST you could have done was say "hey, maybe doing stats for the minimum amount of dinos in a herd would be a good way to measure a dinos value instead, let alone the other factors." But nah, you're just pushing way too hard for what you measured to be the only thing that matters and it simply isn't. Hell you could have made a whole other video testing that as well and gotten some more interested people to watch that one too, myself included. If you don't want to make another video that's fine, but pushing your own idea of "this is a good way to do this" is just fucking stupid. I could have respected you if your argument was "that video took ages to make and I don't want to make another one." Like I get that, life happens and shit like this is time consuming. But pushing your terrible logic and trying to justify it is awful. Agree to disagree man.