What Are The Celeste Golden Tiers?

[@robinet0111]

The fact that some people did deathless runs of Farewell is already impressive, and yet some people are doing deathless runs of maps harder than Farewell. And there are people dedicated enough to rank these runs. It's just really amazing. Keep up the good work, it's always a fun time to see you playing (btw you deserve more views, I already understood that what you did was often harder than golden Farewell, but this just took it to another level)

[@idkcba]

That is an amazing feat, hu?

[@Apple_Beshy]

Farewell is only intermediate difficulty

[@calamityalix_tfg]

​@@Apple_Beshy i'm late but clear difficulty and golden difficulty are completely different things, farewell might only be intermediate but its length makes the golden berry harder to get than a handful of grandmaster maps

[@klyx1267]

Videos like that are what makes the community feel alive and welcoming! Thanks a lot for your work Parrot, I am sure your passion for the game inspires a lot of people ^^

[@ParrotDash]

[@TheOneWhoHasABadName]

nice and concise video, very good for casual celeste viewers also gl on 9DP

[@ParrotDash]

thank you !

[@cubedmelons876]

You mean 7B golden is TOO EASY to even be tiered? Jesus Christ, I thought that golden was one of the hardest things to do in video games period (at least until Farewell came out).

[@goodknyght4319]

the tiers exist to indicate things harder than 7B so it makes sense

[@NinjarioPicmin]

But would be nice if the tiers went further. Like if 7 is supposed to be harder than it then it is probably tier 8 and you could go further on that

[@esteb7496]

I love parrot making celeste moded content easier to understand for casual players ❤ this is what the comunity needs to grow more and it’s really worth it even tho it means less """"""real"""""" parrot content. Edit : maybe you should do a playlist with all those kinds of videos (the cpop tuto, the what to do first in moded content, maybe the 2k3 expleined ,etc...) so peoples that want to know more about moded content can just go check all of the videos easily instead of going back a year and a half to find the older ones

[@ParrotDash]

probably not a bad idea

[@wbm7533]

Love explanation video's like these. Gotta say I'm a huge fan of how this system works. Unlike the system in another game I played, I like how this system doesn't try to order everything perfectly. Cause it's just simply impossible, and it creates less room for people to argue about placements that way I feel like. Which is nice imo.

[@TheGrimReapTM]

thambk you parrot dash 👍 (seriously though those are the videos that can make new players join the Celeste community, love it whenever you make a "guide" video like this) I would love to see more tutorial/guide videos like these!

[@minemahssolariseveryday5752]

Thank you, i had no clue. Also the 9d golden footage in the background is powerful

[@donker19]

hello “minemah’s solar rollar every day”

[@minemahssolariseveryday5752]

@@donker19 hello “donkor 190”

[@goodknyght4319]

I love watching this video every once in a while. This actually is the reason I started doing beginner lobby silvers and now I have beginner rainbow.

[@toneblocc]

Thank you Parrot UNderscore Dash, with this new knowledge I have finally obtained Waterbear Mountain Full Clear Golden (Tier 8)

[@iexist1300]

1:20 i find it funny that you say this shortly before going for a likely tier x map that you have the possibility of getting.

[@ParrotDash]

well im not close to getting it yet though, but i will get it eventually

[@connor_vrz]

Thank you for making this video, when I was really new to the modded Celeste community this was very confusing to me and I’m sure many people could relate. A banger as always Parrot ❤️

[@saasaasketchup]

YOU HAVE TO RECORD TO MAKE IT ON THE LIST ??? i wanna die rn, good video tho, really great topic to cover and clears most of the things i was wondering, thanks a lot!

[@egfloggygoggy]

pretty sure if you just tell the verifiers "I beat it trust me bro" you'll get on

[@Maxel53]

Celeste is my favorite game and I've been playing it ever since it came out, yet I've always been an outsider of the community, my first time ever trying to include myself in the community was through your streams, you were doing Grandmaster heartside golden attempts at the time. I enjoyed these a lot but still felt like an outcast due to not understanding many celeste terms, inside jokes in the community and popular modded levels with references and what not. Why that cat nodding is so popular or why this specific map is the hardest one in the game. Videos like these make me want to try again and maybe one day feel like I belong with other people who share the same passion for this beautiful game :) , Thanks for the guide

[@SRN_RL]

This def clears it up, I play a lot of Celeste and can do some green GMs but the tier system was never really explained anywhere. Thank you for breaking this down Parrot, and GL with 9dp!

[@Aurora_Evalon]

Really glad you made this video, golden tiers sometimes get really confusing and stuff so it's nice to have a place to like, have all that info

[@Rickfernello]

Great topic to cover! Do you have a video explaining about hard list already?

[@ParrotDash]

i do not, but if there is enough to talk about for that i might in the future

[@psychotaco3134]

now i can finally start collecting Celeste Golden Strawberries !!! thank you parrot dash

[@ParrotDash]

just wait till i publish the video on advice with practicing for hard goldens :maddyphone:

[@zbielgd]

Great video! This will help very casual or new players like me! Its short but is very well explained the video! Great work parrot!

[@Dragonakout]

Awesome video! Great idea for people coming into the community and being overwhelmed by the lingo. Side note: I was wondering, since Farewell and 7Bg are used as benchmarks from the base game to compare with hard modded goldens, would it be relevant to have 100% deathless and 202 deathless on the list as well? Especially because how they compare is a question that crosses most people's mind when they see incredible deathless achievements.

[@ParrotDash]

the issue with trying to compare to 100% deathless and such is that its Really hard to use as a benchmark, since its a way different type of difficulty than most goldens, all the difficulty being from it being such a long challenge, people already run into issues comparing shorter hard goldens to farewell but with 100% deathless that would be an even bigger issue, its just so far apart in the type of difficulty that a 1 minute really hard gameplay golden and a 2 hour simple gameplay deathless run are thats its just too hard to compare

[@Kriog16]

It's all clear now, thank you for the video

[@SwiftIRLtv]

i can finally stop explaining to clueless friends what a tier golden is thank you parror

[@titanic2325]

Thanks for the tutorial, I didn't personally need it but I bet a lot of people will.

[@deanp_31]

I loved the Super Paper Mario music in the background lol

[@Iamgoodatnames]

Even though I’m sick, couldnt help myself but to wake up and watch the video. Great vid👍

[@eyalav6293]

This was really nice Would be cool if you also explained the hard list for anybody who doesnt know what the stars mean and such

[@00_Stark]

I’m pretty sure hard list are the hardest maps in Celeste modded (with some quality standard to not just get 50 1frqme in a row). Stars are a difficulty rating. The cutoff for hard list is DMR (dark moon ruin), and the maps are described as GM+1, meaning harder than (most) of the hardest maps in current collabs mods

[@eyalav6293]

@@00_Stark well yea thats what it is i know already The point is a lot of people arent aware of its existence or what it means when something gets into the hard list

[@realiamtnt]

3:21 IM IN A PARROR VID REAL That being said, very nice and useful vid :D

[@dry4smash946]

AYOOO

[@baggelissonic]

When you got to how difficult each tier was, I expected you would you go over all the chapters. I never expected that tier 7 is everything above chapter 7b. What the heck. No wonder most of the maps have like 1-2 completions.

[@kriegueur3486]

Great video, I think it could be interesting if you did a video about subpixel tech

[@ParrotDash]

subpixel tech is a pretty broad term but a video about general subpixel manipulation and explanation about what they are and what to look out for might be doable

[@wyzen.]

Basically a Celeste demon list

[@anan-vg7ki]

tier makes people tear that's how it works

[@Jackspajf]

honestly i feel like there should be a list/spreadsheet that organizes all of the celeste resources like the golden list, celeste skill rating, etc.

[@ParrotDash]

well my friend i have good news: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UM4ynWTr22tIUMPlvGQnuyzx5UZQw4dBtBIpiGG27u4/edit#gid=336137764

[@Jackspajf]

@@ParrotDash common celeste community W

[@NoOneCares49]

Thank god this is more simple than GD

[@MisterCofla]

I have just one question: What does Waterbear Mountain [FC] have that requires it to be classified as Tier 0? Because I've been looking at some of the top levels, and it doesn't seem to stand out in any specific aspect other than its duration I mean, visually, it doesn't appear to be a Tier 0, but in terms of gameplay, it must be something else

[@ParrotDash]

duration is the most important aspect when it comes to deathless runs, since adding length to a run will make it exponentially harder to do deathless since you have to do that on top of everything else, hence why farewell golden is on the same level as difficulty as some grandmaster difficulty map goldens just because its so long, waterbear has a very scary combination of both extreme length and consistently very high difficulty throughout

[@nefola]

Parrot can you explain difficulties (beginner, intermediate, advanced, expert, gm, etc)? I would be nice to have concrete definitions of what ppl mean when they say gm+2.

[@ParrotDash]

this isn’t actually a bad idea, i know people wanted me to maybe make a video on hard clears list aswell but that alone probably wouldnt have enough to cover an entire video but if i just included that with difficulty i definitely could, i will write it down as a potential future video thank you !

[@petrikhorr]

for now i direct you to the difficulty reference section of parrot's clears spreadsheet

[@Zeno-]

o shit he goin for 9DP GL, will be absolutely insane if you can get even close

[@weegee_666]

So, that only leaves the question, what is this hardlist that people keep referring to? And is there a ranking of difficulty for just casual/full clears cause if we were to go by golden difficult alone as a difficulty ranking then we run into things like summit down side being easier than forsaken city

[@Dragonakout]

There are difficulty rankings, introduced in Spring Collab 2020, which range in 5 diffulty levels, from beginner to grandmaster. Each difficulty is split into sub-difficulties, namely green, yellow and red. Of course, there are things that are harder than grandmaster. Those maps are refered to as GM+1 (or GM+2), representing a whole tier above grandmaster. A lot of these maps can be found on the celeste hardlist, which is this handy spreadsheet here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A88F3X2lOQJry-Da2NpnAr-w5WDrkjDtg7Wt0kLCiz8/ These are maps that, only by clearing them "casually" or normally, you get your name on the list. Yep, they are THAT hard.

[@seazeiscool]

cool video for casual celeste players, also just wondering, are you ever making a video related to the history of the hardest celeste map/golden? or a video on venus since i swear i heard you were wanting to do that

[@ParrotDash]

history video, at some point might be cool, venus explained video, is a lot of work but i do wanna get back on working soon cause i do wanna publish that video sometime

[@VickyyTheFox]

I do not believe that it is statistically possible to get every golden strawberry without using assist mode, or cheating in some way. I kinda think that Maddy Thorson was trolling us by putting these strawberries in the game, and having no way to tell if someone is using assist mode just by looking at the screen footage. I think they know full well that it's impossible, and the whole thing is little more than a social experiment to see how many people will cheat and then try to pass their work off as legitimate. There is no achievement or reward for getting these strawberries. You don't unlock a special ending where Theo chips a tooth on the gold strawberries in your pie. You do get a stamp of a gold strawberry on your save file if you succeed in getting all 25 gold strawberries. But PC players have already learned to hack their save slot to manipulate these stamps - including removing the assist stamp. anyway great video!

[@laytonjr6601]

Actually your file changes once more once you collect 26 golden strawberries (you may have forgotten the Winged Golden)

[@welfin_the_wolf]

so hardest list using star, while golden list using tier?

[@ParrotDash]

yep

[@MewThree]

You mentioned a website for the golden list, do you know/think this would be similar to Geometry Dash's Demon Progression site where maybe there's a list that is local to each user that they can check of what they've done without needing to get it verified, and then if you verify your run you get shouted out/put on a global leaderboards like the current spreadsheet?

[@Ezel_142]

There's the Celeste Skill Rating spreadsheet, which is meant to be a way to search for custom maps of varying difficulties, from easy to extremely hard, and you can submit clears to be added in there, although it's a public spreadsheet so it's a bit different from what you're looking for. We're not planning on having a global leaderboard though. Those spreadsheets are built more for fun, and just as an alternate way to find new mods. We feel like leaderboards could potentially pressure some players into having to keep up with their completions, and some players can get easily attached to the ranks going up, what could possibly put them in a toxic completionist/competitive mindset.

[@wmeowlissa]

@@Ezel_142 where is that spreadsheet?

[@Ezel_142]

@@wmeowlissa docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XTAL3kgpX0bG6SBfznPX8z7Qdb7lGnQRuxeUfPZMFoU/edit#gid=0

[@MewThree]

@@Ezel_142 Oki, thanks for the reply :D I didn't quite mean leaderboards, just a who's completed what, like what's already on the golden list under each level it has the completions of people who have done it but is probably a similar thing:3

[@laytonjr6601]

"Tier 7 is harder than 6b, 7b and 8b" so I never have to worry about any of that while playing mods, thanks!

[@mujtabaalam5907]

Where would Rickfernello's perfect celeste run rank? If farewell golden is high 4/low 3, where would you rank farewell golden with the moon berry, demo dash skip, secrets, etc?

[@ParrotDash]

thats hard to say since its very hard to compare the average goldens to ricks run because of it being a very different type of difficulty from being so much longer than anything else but still having quite easy gameplay all throughout, though still its generally considered to be around the lower end tier 0 most likely but its hard to say accurately since its a very different skillset about farewell, adding moon berry adds very little to the overall difficulty so it would rank the same, adding onto secret rooms is very arbitrary so it becomes hard to say but it still wouldnt exceed tier 3, it might go up to like mid tier 3 with enough secrets but its a weird thing to try and judge aswell

[@ru2763]

fore ballsside will be tier z

[@LuizFelipe-fk6it]

So, what's the hardest map you got? And what is its tier :D

[@ParrotDash]

the hardest golden i have done myself is the one that i have used as background footage in this video, its called Everlasting Farewell and its one of the hardest maps in high tier 1, im still really proud of my entire experience with that and it stays one of my favorite maps of all time

[@esteb7496]

And she’s currently practicing for a golden called final goodbye platinum berry (or 9dp for short) that will probably be the first ever tier x

[@Yvelluap]

1:12 hold on is parrot currently practicing a golden (or platinum in this case) harder than anyone else has achieved?

[@ParrotDash]

correct

[@vagrantxxi]

why am I watching videos about things I already know because i like parrot dash videos

[@cyndll]

Website exists now :)

[@rerg6923]

Will you make a video explaining Venus like you did to 2k-3?

[@ParrotDash]

yes eventually

[@zeldacommentator4716]

I came here after dying to the literal last spiked area on golden ridge golden strawberry. Why was that the first in game golden he showed? 😭

[@applecult4]

Highly doubt a collectible can be as hard as acheron

[@Nylspider]

Think again!

[@petrikhorr]

great achievement regardless

[@monky4640]

which is harder: 2 minute map with one button to press or 20 minute map with 7 buttons to press 🤔

[@puggyzcool]

can you explain the hist? ive seen it around but dont understand.

[@tj_slider8497]

I would love to get better at any and all celeste tec. I can conpleate the strawberry jam colab gym but I am only I the advanced lobby. I haven't beat any strawberry jam colab expert or grandmaster levels. Some recommend datrions would be grate! Mabe a vid for everyone talking about some good tec training mods!

[@arirdepresso7566]

Banger video!

[@chickentechno3410]

Is farewell b-side on the list? It's a custom map but it is farewell. also 5b golden is tier -x because you can't do pausedrop edit: damn farewell b-side is tier 1

[@tbone8358]

Super paper mario

[@Witch_of_Pandemonium]

Is there a similar list for the difficulty to just beat certain maps?

[@ParrotDash]

there is the celeste skill rating sheet for more casual players: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XTAL3kgpX0bG6SBfznPX8z7Qdb7lGnQRuxeUfPZMFoU/edit#gid=1235429321 and the hard clears list for the really difficult stuff: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A88F3X2lOQJry-Da2NpnAr-w5WDrkjDtg7Wt0kLCiz8/edit#gid=0

[@Witch_of_Pandemonium]

@@ParrotDash ah thank you very much

[@lelolib8350]

Will you try WaterBear Mountain golden ?

[@ParrotDash]

probably not but i will be trying a different even harder golden which is 9D

[@tetrachart4156]

One thing I never understood about the golden tiers is how the limiters are decided, when is a level in tier 3 or 4? are there "Limiter levels" or something, is it just decided with feeling?

[@TheTrueXaver]

You DO need a video to get on the Farewell Golden Clear List, right? Because i'm planning on getting it on my switch's save file, and I don't have a capture card 😓

[@ParrotDash]

yes but there is a special rule for switch submissions where you can use the 30 second clipping function, you can find the rule and the explanation for it somewhere on the sheet, if i remember correctly all you really have to do is pause to show variants and stuff are turned off right before you get the golden and make sure thats in the clip docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FesTb6qkgMz-dCn7YdioRydToWSQNTg1axFEIHU4FF8/edit?gid=571489394#gid=571489394

[@kazt5]

2:33 leo dicaprio pointing.gif banger

[@BGDMusic]

a fine gift to wake up to! :)

[@oniondesu9633]

why would you not order the harder achievements by a larger number rank rather than lower? gives infinite options as top players improve

[@realNom2mooncow]

parrot random idea you should keep track of the number of people who ask about what 9dp means each stream. i don't mean to bash the people who don't know (i was one of them), but it could be a measure of how many new people joining the stream over time

[@aronwhar]

Where would 9dp place on the gd demonlist

[@ParrotDash]

tier X probably

[@aronwhar]

why cant people compare gd and celeste 😭

[@ParrotDash]

@@aronwhar it would place about silent acheron v2 difficulty

[@FullCitris]

achergon v2?!?!?

[@jamiethemagpie]

can you make a video explaining 247 thanks

[@hezzr3]

yeah but what tier is scd1d7gvfv+hsdfcg (egc)

[@snolls105]

wait.. does that mean floating oil rig is canonically easier than farewell. basically free.

[@ParrotDash]

to do deathless atleast… until you add berries

[@snolls105]

​@@ParrotDash wait, so sass aside, how much does length factor into difficulty? Like, I'd have to assume that Ivory would be harder to Silver than 7B since even though 7B is much longer, Ivory is input hell. I recall also hearing that the main reason forfcg is t1 is because of berry 6 being ridiculous (that room's designed around the respawn point setting up the ultra, a few other rooms also do that, but those rooms don't require multiple 1fs, so). I guess same question for other factors. Like, how relevant is tech to a golden's difficulty? Do puzzles particularly matter? Are maps with multiple ways to get through screens typically different difficulty than maps with only one solution? I guess also, in your experience, what types of maps tend to be the most and least fun to golden?

[@ParrotDash]

@@snolls105 when it comes to golden difficulty length is definitely the most important factor, adding length to a deathless challenge makes it exponentially harder, ivory silver is indeed still harder than 7b because of how big the difference in gameplay difficulty is, but comparing it to like farewell which is still significantly much easier than ivory that golden is considered much harder because how much longer it is, adding length to a map isnt really adding difficulty its more like multiplying difficulty because you have to do that on top of all the previous rooms, there is a reason why the vast majority of tier 1 goldens are 20+ minutes. Tech is a difficult subject that causes a lot of discussion about golden placement, cause for more experienced players tech heavy maps sometimes wont feel that hard at all because they are used to it meanwhile for newer players it would be much harder, generally people try to take this into account but since so many golden players are more experienced players this is often a difficult element to consider, puzzles generally dont matter since for goldens its mostly just about the execution and you could just look up the solution if you wanted to, maps that have multiple routes generally arent that different from linear maps, since people will take the time to route the optimal safest route and most the people after that will kinda just copy that making the map often still end up kinda linear for deathless since everyone will just take the safest route. As for the last question this one is very subjective but i personally enjoy longer goldens, im not the best at very short high difficulty dense goldens, i tend to mindblock on those maps pretty quickly and they get annoying faster, ofcourse this isnt always true and i still enjoy some of them, but often my favorites are longer less tech heavy maps and more kind of precision based maps like monikas d sides, often though the deciding factor for how fun a golden is will be the difficulty balancing, is the start the hardest part? is the middle the hardest part? the ending maybe? things like that in combination with the gameplay of the map itself can have a strong impact on how fun a golden is

[@snolls105]

@@ParrotDash huh, thanks for taking time to answer that.

[@SeafoodWarrior]

great stuff keep it up :)

[@pyr4xe264]

great video once again , i wanna start goldenning moddeds maps if by ANY chance anyone ever respond to me , does silver cunt as "goldens" like are silver berry the same type of achievement or are thoae "less" hard or something

[@the6278]

silvers are the same really, they go on the same list as goldens

[@pyr4xe264]

@@the6278 thx for the responce , and have a good day ✨

[@the6278]

@@pyr4xe264 :)

[@Memfyy]

mrow~

[@ParrotDash]

mnyaa

[@scarecrow2657]

I dont know if this is worthy of a video or not...but a personal one for me would be: how could I start off interacting with the celeste modded community as a whole? Question can be a bit vague but the gist of it is pretty much...seeing a lot of players which accomplishments towers over mine (like people beating 1D7D while I just beat starfruit supernova) and think that i wouldnt be "worthy" of interacting with the community due to lack of skill or accomplishments... Im aware that this mentalitiy is generaly false and the community can and is very welcoming...though I could feel id be left behind since i wouldnt have anything to show as a skill indicator for myself Good luck on platinum everlasting farewell!

[@EvilMC10]

1:21 *cough*

[@justaregularnoob8239]

gl on 9dp parrot!

[@TGVBT640]

ok but uh *how do i unlock the golden strawberries*

[@ParrotDash]

beat 8b

[@TGVBT640]

@@ParrotDash dang that might take a while i'm stuck on the first room of that level 💀

[@clay112]

Whats the hard list? You often mention it, i assume it is similar to this but not sure what it is.

[@SSM24_]

It's a list of the hardest maps that exist for the game (not golden difficulty, just to beat the level). The threshold for getting on the list is (somewhat arbitrarily I think?) placed at the map Darkmoon Ruins and anything harder than it.

[@ParrotDash]

a list to archive some of the hardest cleared maps and the players who have cleared them docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A88F3X2lOQJry-Da2NpnAr-w5WDrkjDtg7Wt0kLCiz8

[@Evilcattt]

What would be past tier x though

[@ParrotDash]

tier x would simply stretch infinitely, at that stage there is no point in dividing difficulty anymore and that difficulty range alone is so wide that it probably wouldnt even ever be necessary either

[@wallBO]

진짜 롤 베그 이런건 한국이 top 인데 이런 게임류는 외국이 넘사임..

[@FredMorgan-gb5el]

Willl 9d be a tier x

[@noogatok]

celeste pointercrate

[@weillio1993]

ok but what about tier 8!! !2!

[@wmeowlissa]

celeste

[@rraaiin]

yes

[@Evilcattt]

is dmrg tier x or tier 0

[@ParrotDash]

tier 0

[@socksygen]

Hamburger

[@00_Stark]

Very good bideo sub scribed

[@chickentechno3410]

I watched the whole video (totally)

[@theepiccarrot7]

omggggg haiii :33

[@ParrotDash]

hii

[@luckysauce13]

:3

[@donker19]

no ok nano mentioned, dislike