What Are the Most Wanted Classes in TBC Classic?

[@MetaGoblin]

This isn't a tier list of the "strongest classes" it's a tier list of the most "desired classes". Therefore the popularity of the classes is a factor to consider. A few people are missing that point.

[@Electro4ever1000]

Hi Meta, perhaps you should divide "most wanted classes in pve" and "most played classes in pve", what do you think?

[@IzyJames]

Maybe make separate list and more content then 1 list that is completely off. Going to be a lot of shadow priest wondering around with out homes

[@Electro4ever1000]

@@IzyJamesthis won't happen man.. Shadow priests are not an overplayed class compared to a rogue or a fury warrior, because of the fact that they are support classes NOT pure damage dealers such as a warlock or a hunter. Most wanted spec did not mean it will become the most played spec in the TBC Classic, because you have to like playing that spec as well. MetaGoblin even mentioned in his video at 10:00 as one of the least played specs, maybe not as rare as a boomkin, but they are still WANTED. You can almost guarantee your slot in a raid behind the shamans as you will be needed to regenerate a high amount of mana to your party, especially on a long fight like M'uru. On the other hand, there is going to be LOT rogues and fury warriors without a guild, or on waiting lists as there will be too many competitions for the warglaives. This is more the kind of reality that we should expect from TBC Classic.

[@zeakonz70]

Yes i Think you should make it a 2 part video instead. 1 with the Most wanted and one with the 'tier" in their roles. Cuz people get this list so wrong :/

[@bloodlustftw3790]

@Never GonnatellI disagree with your statements. Rogues and hunters are ones of the strongest, but not the most desired classes when it comes to pve as they are overplayed in tbc version. And when you mentioned that we already have a guild, this is only for classic wow. Classic tbc will be another story as we won't need 40 men to raid any longer, so guilds will most likely get divided with less active members than they currently have.

[@relog]

Literally every “healer” in our guild is secretly shadow lmao

[@FS-gl9cg]

bring back dual spec to tbc really

[@highviewbarbell]

@@FS-gl9cg no way. Learn to respec

[@Mairesist]

@@highviewbarbell how about you play a healer then? Its hard enough to respec and find gear for both specs, it costs a ton of gold too

[@fireandice1860]

@@FS-gl9cg dual spec was wotlk wasnt it? Or the pre patch?

[@Lulank]

@@highviewbarbell its not an issue of learning to respec, but rather how much it costs and how inconvinient so..

[@joshewert13]

I’ve been play private tbc, practically since tbc was over with. Here’s what I’ve seen as classes needed most. Shamans. Period. Every group in a 25 man wants one. Totems, and bloodlust. 2 elementals, 2 resto 1 enhance. An ele adds 101 sp, 3%hit/critical to spell which is massive, since early on spellhit gems aren’t in the game. And hero/lust ofc. Windfury is a must for your melee group. Now classes I’m tbc are very different from heroics and 25 man content. Holy pally, must in 25, but suck in heroics. Port warrior, can be good in heroics, depending on skill level and group comp, but must as a maintank. Druids are a Must as resto in 25s. 2 min. More battle Rez the better. Warlocks/hunters/mages are solid all around. They bring lots to heroics with cc and even more so for 25s with being ranged, so easier to avoid shit, plus raid buffs, cookies, mage tank (gruuls lair) and misdirections. You’ll also want 1 survival hunter for your melee group. In all fairness I’ve seen every class at the top of each meter. Tbc allows you to really min max your class if you put the time and resources into it. I’ve seen alliance ret pallies destroy the meters in 25 content, as well as boomkins. They put in work with gear and consumables.

[@scarymoon1078]

Do u know good tbc server?

[@Tentakelfutter]

@@scarymoon1078 Endless Sunstrider

[@ILoveCockInMyAss]

And then they are rogues :D

[@MrSnake9419]

How come holy pallas suck in heroic? I've been wanting to play one in tbc.

[@joshewert13]

Big Boss Currently playing on endless, and netherwing might be launching a fresh one. As for holy pallys, absolutely play one. They’re great in Kara and further. You can do heroics, it’s just you have no aoe, hots, shields. If your group is lazy it’s gonna be rough. Some end bosses I heroics put out way too much aoe dmg for you to keep up with just holy /flash light

[@fayt13leingod]

My first character was a Shadow priest and I loved it in TBC in both PVP and PVE.

[@fireandice1860]

Im lvling that rn

[@1337AceOfSpades1337]

@@fireandice1860 same

[@kirbus69]

A good warlock is almost a need for certain bosses that require a warlock tank, so putting them in tier A isn't absurd, in my opinion.

[@Weeb1gman]

You didn't mention how Ret Paladin performance will differ greatly depending on Horde / Alliance, because Seal of Blood is a big deal.

[@seanbailey8545]

Depends if Blizz leave it as is..or try to balance alliance/horde just to keep numbers even on both factions .

[@Gretstarret]

​@@seanbailey8545 Judging how Classic turned out, there wont be any changes to that. I'm wondering if M.Gobbo took note of the seal-twisting horde ret.pallies can do with blood/judgement. Makes them hugely more viable than alliance retries.

[@RadialTemporal]

Didnt blizz add seal of blood to Alliance during a later patch in TBC? They might release TBC on a later patch like they did with classic. I

[@Hirotoro4692]

seal of blood is like a 15% dps gain over SoCom tops. That is quite a difference, yes.

[@Hirotoro4692]

@@Gretstarret but this won't be Classic. It'll be ClassicBC. They don't have to do the same thing.

[@fmls8266]

Ret Paladins will also boost the whole raid crit chance by 3% and the damage of those in his group by 2%

[@joshuabrunet4096]

You're guild though pugs hate ret pallys

[@richl4112]

The problem with that the raid will lose 10% dps purely due to ret paladins being crap

[@fmls8266]

@@richl4112 You wouldnt lose 10% raid dps even if you went in with an empty dps spot lmao

[@richl4112]

@@fmls8266 thats how bad ret paly is. Its a drain :)

[@fmls8266]

@@richl4112 If that's a joke I can even laugh about it, but if we want to be serious, we both know that cant be true. Belf rets pull decent dps and they can easily sit top 10, there is no way they would drain 10% raid dps come on

[@krunyec]

Disclaimer to the fury warriors: You wont get in any raids unless you are extremely lucky. Personal experience..

[@DriftNick]

My personal experience was always having a raid spot even when I joined a new guild with 3 other dps warriors because I did good damage.

[@abfutrell]

I once ask a fury warrior to help offtank on Moroes. He didn't have a shield in his bag......

[@chelechillen7848]

Warriors will just roll to Locks

[@itsButeii]

No need to bring fury warriors lol

[@fredrik2095]

@@abfutrell 90% of all wars:/

[@kaleoandros25]

Shamans in ally and pala in horde, people gonna lvl like crazy to cath up.

[@seanbailey8545]

Pallies are not so needed in TBC as they were/are in classic, sure you want a few for buffs but most raids I'm gonna say will stack shamans of all kinds.

[@doncorleone1720]

Bloodlust only give buff to group Not full raid

[@Hardmetal1993]

@@seanbailey8545 them pally blessings are DOPE though. They're really good tanks in TBC too, especially for AOE. Ideal offtank

[@lisavauhti7675]

Pally becomes better main tank than warrior in t6, uncrushable for 8 hits versus warrior only relying on 2 shield blocks.

[@MiceDnP]

Was just thinking about this topic and like immediately a video. The video is nice as always and i'm glad i was able to run a dungeon with you on Endless- seemed like a cool dude.

[@Mimoas66]

One of the other advantages of the shadow priest they don't need too much stuff , once you get your the shadoweave set you can technically run until the T6 without worrying about replacing it

[@Miichal1337]

That is not advantage, cause you will be last person to get some items in raids (if your guild is not running on DKP system)

[@nicolascage8015]

So spriest is s tier cus they are necesity in raid and they are not played that much but boomkin is in tier d cus they are necesitiy in raid and not played that much??? Ok

[@alecjacobs9822]

Boomkin is not a necessity.

[@ReavGames]

you would bring more than 1 spriest, but not more than 1 boomkin

[@CMarkem]

Ele shamen over boomkin anyday. Both are not necessary. But nice to have.

[@Fliptality]

ele shaman > boomkin. you dont need one

[@rusael333]

he probably meant that a lot of guilds want multiple spriests and there's very few of them so you can safely make an spriest and get a spot, while as boomkin you might not get a spot in raids because the demand is lower so dont bother making one cuz as rare as they are, there's still enough of them for guilds to recruit

[@skippyzk]

Shafowstep makes rogue so much fun

[@MrGlennJohnsen]

Meta min/max raid setup: Grp1: Prot Paladin, Mage, Survival Hunter, Affliction Warlock and Restoration Shaman. Grp2: Prot Warrior, Ret Paladin, 2x Beastmastery Hunters and Enhancement Shaman. Grp3: Feral Druid (third tank), Arms Warrior, 2x Beastmastery Hunters and Enhancement Shaman. Grp4: Balance Druid, 3x Demo/Destro Warlocks and Elemental Shaman. Grp5: Shadow Priest, Holy Paladin, /x Holy Priests and Resto Shaman. You could drop 2 BM hunters and get another mage and a rogue into the raid, but that would reduce your overall raid dps.

[@epicscoreCS2]

From some one that actually played TBC 14hours a day: Tanks: Raid 1.Warriors 2.Paladin 3.Druid Dungons 1. Paladin 2.Druid 3.Warrior DPS. Raid 1.Warlock 2.Rogues 3.Mages Dungon 1.Mage 2.Lock 3. Rogue Healer Raid 1.Paladin 2. Priest 3. Druid 4. shaman Dungon 1. Druid 2. Priest 3. Paladin 4 shaman Pvp BGs 1. Lock 2. Warrior 3. Mage 4. Priest(disc) Arena 1. Lock 2. Resto Druid 3. Warrior 5. Mage/rogue 4. Hunter/disc

[@timxiix3864]

At the end of the day dont listen to these lists and go with what u feel like would be the most fun for you

[@MiceDnP]

Except if u really like rogue and want to do pve. Unless you are making your own guild, i never see any guilds looking for a rogue- never.

[@BURRDAWG_]

Yup thats why play shaman and druid they are the most fun for me

[@kaydens6964]

Just don’t make rogue for pve and you will be fine.

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

how is it hard to get a shadow priest ? Half of the priest want to be one lol

[@andrewstewart8615]

nobody wants to priest they're all druids now.

[@ragehoof1508]

Boomkin tier D??? did we forget the 3% melee hit?

[@mikesnedker5650]

You forgot boomking give aswell 3%hit to mele and ranged(Hunter) +2%aviods insesct swarm 😉

[@MethosChannel]

Yes but everyone is hitcapped so whats the point? Maybe not casual players that enters Karazan for the first time but i wish it was 3% easier to crit the target (for the whole raid) like Retripaladin gets.

[@Liftheavy85]

@@MethosChannel You're missing the point. If you have a boomkin you can swap hit pieces out for more crit or damage gear.

[@StrikerDeluxe]

@@Liftheavy85 maybe if you want to push personal logs late into the raidtier when you have extra niche items. Moonkins in general are useless until WotlK tho

[@nastynotch8314]

Boomkin 5% spell crit 3% hit increase to melee and range, and 2% hit debuff to target. Plus top 5 dps....?

[@zicilfax89]

Because you only need 1.

[@Vektordeformacio]

Boomkin is best for it's hit debuff. Just that is as good as dwarf fear ward was.

[@DankMadale21]

Ele and enhance are both wanted as well the ap buff from enhance and the spell from ele are amazing for other dps

[@zachjohnston06]

Dude I just started playing WoW and man your content is so cool. I like the explanation of everything in simple terms and gives me an idea of how I want to go about playing the game. Good stuff!

[@seanbailey8545]

If you want a raid slot almost guaranteed..roll a shaman simple as.

[@MW-ty5zw]

You pretty much want one of each spec in a raid besides rogues. The you go heavy on shamans, lock and hunter.

[@samuelmccarthy9190]

Pretty much sums it up.

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

Rogue: We live in a society 🤡

[@SilverforceX]

Boomkin is very strong in TBC, I'd take them over another Mage or caster. Competitive DPS, but they also bring the crit aura and the innervate for healers. This isn't like Vanilla when their DPS was subpar 75% of a mage. In TBC they are like 95% DPS of a Mage. Correction: Boomkin scales the best with gear for casters due to their talents/spells, so late-patch they actually end up like 110% of other caster DPS.

[@johnhandcock3242]

I heard the opposite. Locks in bis were doing like 2700, and boomy was at like 2k.

[@Bummul]

Still, I highly doubt that the right values for everything on private servers (same as for classic), and we might see different numbers for everything.

[@blazepascal9285]

This is an appropriate list if you plan on pugging you Za and/or plan on staying in t4. As soon as you understand the need for specific buffs each an every class brings up, this list is out the window. Also, feel like it's pretty dumb to pit a specific class like holy paly against "shamans". As a raid leader, I would much rather have my boomkin in my group 4 rather than getting another shaman as, like you said, can swap one of my ele/resto sham for an extra bloodlust.

[@seanchurchill5844]

Rogue is the best. Paid for my epic flying solo farming chests in dungeons. also you can vanish Teron Gorefiends ghost bullshit. best agro dump in the game. distract helps in Mount Hyjal to allow extra time to recover from last trash pack and bosses. also much needed interupt.

[@shadowwolf9909]

Which dungeons for chest farming?

[@seanchurchill5844]

@@shadowwolf9909 Mana Tombs was the easiest.

[@sugarspice7746]

I see you never played a Boomkin in TBC.

[@blorgin1]

Could you explain why you say that?

[@sugarspice7746]

@@blorgin1 lol no

[@blorgin1]

Sugar Spice fair enough

[@MrTsouros]

@@blorgin1 lol i my self havent played boom in tbc but in a Pserver tbc evry1 was looking for a boom for theyr huge dmg

[@guisechad7128]

Their dmg is decent as any other caster, but their 3% meele/range hit chance from faerie fire was the big thing (he also gave 3% spell crit)

[@josetavares7949]

Why boomkin should be on tier D? Aside from the aura they give, boomkin also gives 3% hit on their imp FF. And 3% is Huge which means u can swap items which has hit rating and go for more offensive stats. They aint topping the dps meteres like spriest. They are there for imp FF innervate and rebirth.

[@MrIggiepoo]

Debatable. If the boomkin dies then raid dps suffers greatly, or if it's an add fight like Muruu you can't be putting FF on every mob. Double edged sword

[@josetavares7949]

@@MrIggiepoo if its nerfed muru then yes u bring a bala druid for it. Pre. Nerf u dont even bring sadly cuz the amount of warlocks u gonna use Pre-nerf is insane

[@johnhandcock3242]

spriests don't top meters. If anything, they're at the bottom of the meters. Moonkin will outdps a spriest every day, and twice on sunday.

[@johnhandcock3242]

@@MrIggiepoo Adds typically aren't boss level, so you need 3 less hit for your specials.

[@MrIggiepoo]

@@johnhandcock3242 Everyone will be yellow capped, it's a sin not to be. So really the spell hit only affects melee. It's very meh.

[@N3RFTHIS]

Towards the end of BC/LK I found dungeons to be getting boring with dungeon finder and some randoms op pally mate aoe.tanking the whole instance in one pull

[@ChristianWildeD]

The fact that you distinguish between feral and bear druids means you don't know a lot about druids. In BC they are the same spec. So effectively you can switch from 100% dps class to 100% tank class from boss to boss, which prot warris and palas can't. Which imho should make feral tier A, just for the versatility.

[@leosalonen1564]

Two roles in one spec, it’s perfectly fine the way he distinguished between the two. Consider who this video is for: the TBC private server veteran who knows the game inside out or the more modern player of wow. The spec for a bear and a cat aren’t identical and separating them is completely understandable.

[@nikolaikalashnikov4253]

So, do you (1) DPS with tank talents OR (2) Tank with DPS talents ?

[@dairallan]

OK so if this is first patch and therefore pre-Arcane nerf, then its completely wrong about Mages. Mages weren't just the top DPS pre-nerf they were the top DPS by massive margins. Pre-nerf Arcane Mages are tier A, pretty solidly in this era.

[@sewerynbiko4917]

back in a day feral in my guild was so usefull, he was off tank but in a bosses when we was need just one tank he easy swap to dps

[@kimvangvideomarketerbangko3265]

Good point

[@oldmanchickenlegs]

Fine I did it I subscribed I’ve been watching these videos for awhile since classic release

[@vog5197]

I would expect Boomkin to be higher because you mentioned this video is about early on in the patch cycle and Moonkins bring Faery Fire as a hit buff.

[@vog5197]

@@crjm2001 It does.

[@nickwilliams7511]

Nothing makes me want to subscribe more than you calling out your viewers for not subscribing. So glad you showed me the error of my ways.

[@MetaGoblin]

Subscribing really helps out creators on youtube and it's no effort to do so. End of the day the content is free and many content creators have taken a huge kick in the teeth due to covid.

[@SamSam-bg6ok]

lol did you put the harry potter 2 ps1 game music in the background ??

[@hvdiv17]

shamans all specs wil lbe the most wanted class you will have at least 5 in every raid.2 enhance 2 ele and a resto.if you want a guaranteed raid spot roll a shaman while everyone will be warlock/hunter and be fighting for raid dps spots.

[@MethosChannel]

U wanna go pro? Shaman, shaman, shaman and more shamans!

[@JuanCarlos-nx6lf]

Hi i like a lot your videos man keep it Up. One question about warriors. Its better lv up the warrior on arms spec or fury? And more think, warriors fury is bad at the begining of the expansion so its better do pve at arms spec then? Or fury spec with a two hands weapon?

[@AFlyingTrout]

Idk if u ever found an answer but my research has suggested questing and open world solo pve fury leveling is a little better than arms, but if you're doing dungeons or group pve arms will be better for the group b'c you can buff your group (even raid) with 4% damage. Its because of the raid buff that you'd likely want to respec arms at 70, but toward the end of the expansion when armor penetration gear becomes more available and raids become more melee-friendly that fury warriors and rogues can start to compete with hunters for dps, so more will be welcome in raiding. Personally I'll be returning to deep prot and leveling 60-70 just like I did 1-60 b'c I'm a masochist who loves to main tank.

[@danieldeardorff3566]

I just want to play Rogue but I don't think I am gonna be wanted lol. I have started Endless so maybe I can get a fix. Hit me up at Sutures. I could use advice on navigating the super boost leveling speed better.

[@midnightblue1874]

Try playing dagger rogue :)

[@KalleLagerlof]

Rogues don't bring anything to a raid. Roll something else

[@omologo95]

Rogues are weak for PvE. But they're also the far and beyond best melee for PvP.

[@Legend011]

one thing about boomkin is improved faerie fire check the talent out.

[@TattierFob10366]

its viability drops off quickly

[@Greg-bs5jw]

You dont bring enough melee to make it worth

[@braxtonmarshall1883]

Idc what everybody else wants to play. I know im going with my holy pally(: Finally can main pally. I haven't played classic but I played vanilla, and every xpac since. Haven't mained pally since vanilla and tbc, But ill start playing tbc again hell yeah, screw retail! But hopefully eventually they remake wrath! That was my favorite xpac and a lot of others as well

[@spencerme3486]

Feral were great- OT, dps, innervate, and battle Rez made them valuable wild cards. I topped dps charts all the time as feral in BC

[@jamesb7924]

That just means you were in a terrible DPS group xD

[@thelordsanguine6383]

All I really want is a classic-esque version of retail, I want all the classes and races available, with the deliberate and methodical playstyle of classic/tbc. As it stands, auto-attacks don't matter, current retail is just ability mash gameplay, there's no chess-like ability use. I want mobs to feel like actual threats, 1v3 should be impossible in pve unless you're a tank with some regen, or have good pet management. The Lore allows for all the races to have access to all the classes, but there's still so much restriction. Something like Human Shamans, or Pandaren Paladins are in the Lore, but are arrbitrarily excluded. Here's to hoping I'll one day be able to play a holy panda man with a huge hammer.

[@SeanMckenzie91]

BS hammers, DST and Abacus with leather heroic/kara/t4 mix gear they hang with rogues in WF group. I'd argue T5 is where they are useless compared to rogues.

[@jerrylacroix7682]

Ret Paladin should be a B or C, because they apply a 3% crit debuff on the boss, holy and prot can pick up the talent but in a raid setting neither one of those 2 specs want that talent.

[@MrCliverandy]

My lock can't get a job for entire TBC while my feral druid is forced to change to resto and off tank which sucks because I ended up struggling real hard to get sufficient gear for both spec.

[@seankiernan7327]

If shadow priest was unpopular back in TBC....how do we know that will be the case if / when TBC is re-released? With a more sophisticated player base, wouldn't more people think to play it?

[@idiosyncrasy3315]

Probably not, in classic I main a shadow priest and can’t wait for TBC to main a shadow priest again, just like I did all those years ago. And way back then a shadow priest wasn’t popular to play. Now with that being said, every priest that I know from playing classic has 0 interest in playing a shadow priest in TBC. Either they are changing classes all together (mainly shamen) or staying holy/disc. While this is only about 20-30 people, it gives a good indication. But all my caster guildies can’t wait for me to get some shadow priest love and then become their mana battery. In general shadow priests just aren’t appealing to many people, just like every other class outside of warlock and priest isn’t appealing to me.

[@player3352]

my opinion for class neediness for PVE 25man untill t5 patch S: resto shaman(3-4) A: holy priest(2), prot warrior(1), prot paladin(1), bear druid(1) B: disco priest(1), bm hunter(2-3), warlock(3-4), resto druid(1-2), holy paladin(1-2) C: mage(1-2), surv hunter(1), shadow priest(1-2), balance druid(1-2), arms warrior(1), retri paladin(1), enha shaman(1), ele shaman(1-2) D: fury warrior(1-2), rogue(1-2) * cat druid (0-1)

[@Krizpyy]

anyone else watch this at 1.5 speed?

[@pigeon7777]

I watch so many videos in 1.75 speed I am starting to think in 1.75 speed lmao

[@jointedlimb]

I was a resto druid in tbc in a top 20 world guild... 3rd best geared druid in game at that time. Willing to come back with adequate considerations.

[@BrendanOriginal]

yea dont think anyone asked

[@simmot5213]

i know enhance shaman isnt the best dps compared to elemental, i just dont really like caster play style. Will i be alright in getting into dungeons/raids relativly easily? i know you put them at an s tier but just curious for enhance shaman. thanks :)

[@B0dybagBen]

Enhancement is top tier DPS... They MASSIVELY outperform elemental shamans.

[@samuelhakansson6680]

Only at early T6 and beyond. Elemental is one of the highest performing DPS at T4 through T5, but falls off hard after that due to poor scaling.

[@B0dybagBen]

@@samuelhakansson6680 nah, they outperform elementals everywhere except 5 man dungeons.

[@samuelhakansson6680]

@@B0dybagBen Sorry, tested both specs myself from pre-raid bis to T6. While you don't have have to agree, my finsings were that elemental van easily hit around 1000-1300 DPS in kara wearing pre-raid blues, something which nearly no other class can at that level. The reason being that ele is nearly hit capped and has decent crit early om from talents alone, something locks for instance just can't her early on sine they have to gear massively for it. Enh on the other hand struggles to reach 800 dps early on in kara, as it needs so many stats to start scaling well (hit, crit, haste, better weapons etc.). Especially haste and crit make enh scale super well (near 100% flurry uptime once you get enough crit, and shamanistic rage lets you refill to 100% mana letting you use haste instead of mana pots), but you need enough hit before you can start getting those stats. That being said, enh scales super well and performs better than ele when you reach about T5 levels of gear, since you get enough hit and can have haste/crit synergize. Again, you might not agree with that, but that's what I found as I played from heroics up through T6 in both specs. Ele is godmode in blues and T4 gear, but at T6 you cant match enh DPS.

[@omologo95]

Yeah. Enhance will have no issues finding guilds. You're pretty much mandatory for the melee groups in your raid, just for your Windfury Totem and Bloodlust. And luckily you deal good DPS as well.

[@Hirotoro4692]

It's not a bad idea for a raid to bring an arms warrior for the physical debuff. Inb4 someone says "lol TBC, who brings melee"

[@zaknefain100]

A lot of people have been saying that... funny thing is, you won't see a TBC progression guild from back in the day without a melee group. Usually, enh shaman, dps warrior, 1-2 rogues, cat druid or ret paladin.

[@bocckoka]

retri = 3% raidwide crit. that's a lot

[@gb1421]

Pretty good tier list. I agree for the most part. I think maybe Boomkin should be higher though. Depends on your raid comp I guess.

[@gaunterodimm8764]

Lol, boomkin as D.... yeah, right. Back in the day boomkins were one of the best dps classes next to warlock and elem shaman. Full haste geared boomkin was a mini gun that dealt massive damage + providing mana for healers. During Black Temple/Sunwell Plateau stage each raid had at least 2 boomkins simply for the sake of dps/mana for healers.

[@DriftNick]

My raid had zero balance druids because they did shit dps.

[@gaunterodimm8764]

DriftNick seems u have no idea what boomkin power was... they were gearing mage clothes. During Black Temple/Sunwell they were one of the top caster dps classes.

[@wrayth95]

Although fury warriors lack single target DPS until later on in TBC, you will deal disgusting damage during cleave pulls in normal/heroic dungeons, especially if you have windfury. Throw a Blinkstrike in there early on and you're competing with mages and warlocks on cleave pulls. Your group will watch in awe as you become a literal meat grinder. Honestly, if you enjoy the vanilla fury warrior, TBC will be even more fun for you ~ leader of the pack is now 5% crit chance, and pally buffs / windfury is available to both factions. It's a lot of fun with stacked buffs.

[@MW-ty5zw]

Waste of a raid spot if blizzard go with challenging tuning. It is 100% arms if you want to play dps warrior. You are now the bitch support swapping yourself around to command people and battle shout the hunter pets. I would never bring a fury or rogue into my roster. Maybe one rogue with pvp gloves for solo interrupting with deadly throw for gruul, and maybe 2 for evasion tanking RoS in BT. But you can just bring a pvp alt for that. No need to have main rogues at all.

[@ecutc3]

Do you think they will grant us a race change when tbc comes out? Or we have to start over from lv1 if we want to be a diff race? Late to the game with classic 😭

[@limacrap]

I hope so horde so overly played que for bgs takes too long

[@Rawrbagels]

Yeah, despite doing insane DPS and being great at PvP(though in different specs) Warlocks just aren't as common as hunters. I think your list is very accurate.

[@hugoflores196]

“Because of heroism” And they fucking pump

[@Evencane]

Where would arms warriors be on this list? if they even rank at all on here. I heard they give a melee damage buff so they might be a little desirable but I'm not sure.

[@desyncer]

You want one Arms warrior in a raid. Chances are that raid already has an arms warrior.

[@subterragaming836]

Cant see shadow priest being a wanted class. Not like shaman is anyway. Id put it in B / C tier. My personal list would be shaman on top. Then healers . Then dps classes. Hunter , lock then other dps classes like mage , shadow priest , warrior near the bottom , but still wanted. I also think locks are going to be played alot as well due to how powerfull they are in pvp, so I can see there being alot of warlock mains as much as hunters specially if we get dual spec.

[@StrikerXL_BE]

You make really good video's around WoW, I was in search of such content and channel. Do you always do news updates?

[@caribaska]

what about warrior arms in pve?

[@chinvincible4295]

Man I can't wait resto shaman pvp was so fun

[@Fugitive292]

Exactly! Resto Shaman in TBC battlegrounds seemed so fun that in WotLK I mained a resto shammy.

[@trailerparkboysbestshow3327]

Never played, but why was it so much fun??

[@Fugitive292]

@@trailerparkboysbestshow3327 I don't know, it felt cool back then to put Earth Shield on the flag carrier in WG and Chain Heal like crazy.

[@alkimane]

100% sure every tank ll be s tier because there are always to less of them

[@MetaGoblin]

It's really hard to get a raid spot as a tank though. I barely every guilds recruiting a tank.

[@remiborgen8925]

I've seen every class to the damage meters depending on many factors: gear, group buffs, time-content, consumables etc.

[@Altobrun]

Yeah it really depends on the fight and individual skill. Watching Costin from Serious Gaming progress through Tempest Keep and the top DPS (locks and hunters) pull ~1400 sustained dps. Compare that to the low dps of a ret paladin being around ~1200 and you see that the difference between top and bottom dps isn't nearly as severe as it is in classic. That coupled with the fact that the TBC bosses will undoubtably be easier than private server's overtuned bosses means that I imagine all classes and specs will be viable for casual guilds that clear all content, if not seen in top speed running guilds.

[@Rockmaster867]

@@Altobrun i just want to relive the rogue dream

[@mattward5010]

Paladins for the horde, and shaman alliance. Druids alliance and horde as if u check any realm statistics they are the least played class in classic on any realm. If u level a druid and know how to tank or heal u going to raid but especially if u are a healer. Most played class is warrior what ever u do do not level a warrior as their are a million people playing warriors and mages.

[@seanbailey8545]

Thinking about playing a Feral tank with a healing off spec. And maybe a shadow priest alt..I Mained SP in TBC retail so it has a lot of find memories for me and I enjoyed being a mana battery lol.

[@mspraspberry5123]

if shadow priest is S then bookin should be S as well, noone playes boomkin and 5% crit to lock group is better than spriest mana regen

[@ryuranzou]

My girlfriend wants to do resto shaman and I want to do paladin. All of paladin depending on what I am doing. I just played pally from wrath onwards and played hunter in vanilla and tbc. Looks like I might be healing with her in raids.

[@ryuranzou]

@@owfan4134 Sadly I'm still trying every day to convince her to play. I'm 69 so far and loving prot pally though.

[@damiansimonak7955]

MAGE tier C ? What ? Where are you playing ? :D Warlock + Mage must be in all of raids. Also I prefer mage because in hc dungeons are elites immune on fear but not on sheep. There you go :D

[@xaviercoronado154]

I just downloaded this server and made a human warlock, i didn't see a lot of people in the starter area, is there a lot of people on the alliance side?

[@Kemachris]

Plenty ppl get out of the starter areas in like 5mins with 5x experience thats why theyre empty

[@okamiseven]

Everyone is already 70 you're not gonna see a ton of people until outland

[@seanbailey8545]

It's dead in starter zones usually...I see a lot of ppl in stv tho both horde and alliance. And plenty of 70s in the main cities .

[@mikesnedker5650]

Alot ppl playing just get to 60+ lvl takes No time and alot lvl with their main in doungen 😉

[@Vigilant_warrior_08]

I started playing around 1 month ago as orc and durotar was still heavily crowded back then, maybe the server hype died down a bit, but the cities are still swarmed by a lot of people

[@SeltiaLoL]

Jesus I just recently found ur channel and have to say it, you have an amazing voice and accent. Its so pleasuring to listen lol.

[@vXCozmoz]

You should made two lists. One for PvE and one for PvP because telling X class with Y spec is good/bad and only cover 1 of the 2 aspects is not the way to do it imho. Should be common knowledge by now as we are in 2020, that in early game: caster heaven, late game: melee heaven, pvp especially. Since how gear scaled between them.

[@MrGlennJohnsen]

Hold on, you put Ret Paladin in D tier because you only want one in raids, but then put Shadow Priest in S tier when you also only want one, maybe 2, in raids? Fury Warrior and Rogue is completely D(ead) tier until they get gear in T6, they don’t bring any debuffs or buffs the raid needs- unlike Ret, Arms, Feral (who also serves as third tank), Balance, Affliction and Survival. Mage is also not great, one is always guaranteed raid spot because of int buff and conjoured food/drink but unless you severely lack AoE damage you don’t take more than 1 mage.

[@jgrom6621]

Id say ret is D for alliance c/b for horde

[@dnb888]

My list: Elemental Shaman Shadowstep Shockadin Mangle Druid

[@christiansoderstrom7149]

Mages Tier C ? have u ever played a mage with full crafted set early ? only class that could outdps u is a warlock.

[@Industrious420]

right? this guys video is fucking dumb lol. Arcane mages in crafted set were doing stupid damage early on - not to mention they finally got a threat drop with invisibility.

[@i.r6990]

@@Industrious420 Actually you are dumb since you fail to grasp simple information at the beginning that mentioned this ranking is not about dps but rather useful buffs or debuffs each class brings.

[@Industrious420]

@@i.r6990 shut the fuck up and watch the video. Mage buffs don't change between specs you gumba.

[@i.r6990]

@@Industrious420 Take it easy dummy. Lack of intelligence is usually noticable with your vocabulary.

[@Industrious420]

@@i.r6990 yeah you just scream of brilliance. Go play in traffic blindfolded.

[@doman9891]

we should see if heroic strike bug carries on to TBC...would be an entirely different story

[@xxdpruss2kxx]

Basically s tier for utility classes then fill with your best dps

[@StrikerDeluxe]

You got 2 things wrong ... While shadows are decent they aren't really S tier most raids only bring a single one for the Misery debuff since mana is a non issue regardless of them beeing there or not this is especially true post T5 content. And second rDruid is pretty bad in PvE. Compared to rShaman and hPriest they bring literally nothing to the table exept hots on the tank + healing aura buff for the tank aswell which is actually quite negligetable tho. A dedicated hPaladin will do the same job a druid does just better in every regard. Most tryhards guilds will probably not even have a single rDruid in their raids.

[@greensmurf221]

I get there's only one slot for an Arms warrior, but you're not even going to put them up?

[@xsteelfeverx8004]

Warlocks are class S. They provide quality of life goodies like summoning raid members and lock cookies. Not to mention they do ridiculous dps with one button shadowbolts. Warriors DO scale ridiculously high though. By the end of TBC once you are in BiS BT/SWP gear, you are class S dps by a long shot.

[@user-lq5yx1ke5k]

Warlocks, hunters, and glaive rogues still do more dps than warriors in SWP gear, even if the warrior has glaives he wont out dmg SWP geared Hunters and Warlocks. The only boss fight a warrior will do more damage than hunters and warlocks is Kil'jaeden (a rogue will still out dmg a warrior on this fight), because you literally just stand there and hit the boss while the ranged dps take care of the orbs and the reflections(mostly), plus they cover more ground while stacking and spreading so they have more downtime than melee. Other than this specific boss, a BM hunter (and warlock) should always do more damage. They will out dps warlocks on Twins (but not hunters), but thats just because warlocks have threat problems on this fight, and they can cleave to pad the meter.

[@Motorboatasaurus]

I find it funny how even Enhancement Shaman gets S tier and it's only cuz of Bloodlust and Windfury Totem. Their dps was so bad in TBC I never saw one do over 1.4k dps it's sad how weak they were with like 3 whole buttons to press. I wanted to be Enhance Shaman so bad but it was just miserable so I went Elemental with Offspec Resto never had an issue getting into a raid then.

[@josetavares7949]

I see u didnt progressed deep enough with enh shaman. Otherwise u should know that with time, melee scaling is strong asf

[@zourin8804]

Hybrids still get a bad rap because they aren't minmaxed for 'the slot'. Splitting cats and bears is a bit unfair, as the differences can be marginal unless they completely cornhole themselves as one or the other, and over-focusing on cat spec is just shooting yourself in the foot, much like staying Ret paladin after you hit max level.

[@zel3888]

I think you are wrong about mages ... I vaguely remember reading the mage forums during WoTLK and hearing QQ about mages being "Sunwelled" again - referring to not getting raid spots in that patch due to shit DPS. So mages seemed to get shittier DPS as the expansion progressed, not better as you suggest.

[@rudy1999]

Yeah, I played mage back in TBC and dps was pretty average except for AoE. Destruction warlock or beast mastery hunter are the specs to go if you want high dps.

[@chinigo1595]

You completely forgot about leader or the pack raid buff, which would take feral to C tier at least if not B

[@Greg-bs5jw]

You're not bringing enough melee to make it work.

[@chinigo1595]

Greg Gregson not sure what xpac you’re thinking of but in Bc it’s ranged and melee, an it applying to hunter is super valuable

[@seanbailey8545]

It's not raid wide,only party wide afaik.

[@Hirotoro4692]

@@Greg-bs5jw are you mad? There will be a melee group who can benefit from it...

[@dulkansilberaxt]

He puts ret paladin, which adds 3% crit to the entire raid, 2% dmg to their party and keeps judgements up in D-Tier and you expect a 5% crit buff for your party to push feral to B-tier?

[@elky21]

Im little disappointed you didnt differentiate shamans like you did with other hybrid classes, im no tbc expert but i think resto shaman will be in much higher demand than enh? I personally wanna play draenei ele shaman and i can realistically see it somewhere between A and B in demand, would you agree or not?

[@Shadx27]

I was a Ret Paladin in Crusade. As I knew what I was doing and got the Recess Pieces set armor and craft StormHerald, my guild liked me. Low maintenance and did my job well.

[@Calibretto9]

Where do Arms Warriors land?

[@civilrant4889]

dont think you did you homework on this one.

[@itsButeii]

ye nah its pretty accurate based on private servers

[@richardfuller3566]

@@itsButeii Yeah no kidding. At least on Horde Sunstrider.

[@cpd182js]

Wow cat on tier d? Yeah probably one of the people that couldn't play druid. I was topping the dps as a cat full of SPriests, Hunters, and Locks... the problem is the rotation that most people couldn't nail down due to having to push more than 1 button.

[@swordwarrior4586]

Classic Mages and fury warriors on suicide watch

[@MaMaximillian]

@@cryptomaniac2 but you only want 1 mage in your raid, maybe 2 if you really want to push for it... and you can have a raid with only 1 warrior and normally no more than 2

[@Shagglar]

4 piece for hunters beastlord set it gives your pet 500 armor pen.

[@BigBojoG]

What about arms warrior?

[@adamorth5335]

Subbed. Let’s get that metric looking better