What Are We Going To Do With THE BULL (that hurt our cow)

Our bull injured our cow. We nurse her along over several days as we decide: what should we do with the bull who hurt her. Eat, sell, keep?
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[@lisaarbour6784]

Sell your bull to the friend that had borrowed him for 5 months...you can always "borrow" him back.😊

[@analarson2920]

Great idea, the Coe pregnant now could be an issue.

[@pamelastandhart9650]

As a dairy farmer, there is no such thing as a non aggressive bull, especially when a cow is in heat. He is doing his job no matter what, you will not be able to stop him. It will only take one time to hurt you or your kids.

[@deelynn720]

If wants out of there he just bust out. Your underestimating his strength.

[@jeanneshannon5607]

This is the nature of a bull. He also has been with other cows. He is doing his job. Sell him to that guy that had him and AI your cow.

[@abcd1234jason]

Jeanne Shannon na keep him he's quiet you'll never find another like him

[@sarahmatthews5878]

I made it to the end of the video and I have an idea, that I want to share. It will cost a little money, but you could also borrow a round pen in trade for a breeding bull. Get a round pen and unload him in there with the cow- without the babies, and let them breed in the round pen. Just a few thoughts. I like the bull. I think he was being a decent bull, but the hill wasn't working in anyone's favor. A round pen would help you a lot.

[@starlamajor5709]

Anthropomorphism: attributing human feelings to animals. Modern folks react this way with their animals now days. One big result, fat dogs. Thank you for showing the reality of homesteading.

[@largefamilyruralliving7434]

Ha ha, we had an older dog and the vet said he was surprised by her being a normal weight.

[@vivnoel8981]

There is also compassion. Cows are mothers of families. You do not get a bull and leave him in a pasture with an old cow that has barely calved a few days before and now is also forced to feed another calf, additionally struggling with mineral deficiency and being milked twice a day to provide food for a family of 7. I might add its a Jersey, they need good grazing grass and other food variety(which Art and Bri do not provide). Art and Bri is what they call a Robber Farmer in my home country. They just want to take without giving anything back. Killed one cow by neglect by trying to feed her only wet grass and now doing that to another. It would be better if they killed it for meat before this whole ordeal. Also they exploit their children for views.

[@thechickenwire6136]

Viv Noel she didn’t calve just a few days before and they feed her grain as well as grazing. Even so, why would grazing leave her mineral deficient? I think you are applying an experience you had somewhere else to this situation without understanding that it’s not the same. Are the deer (or even elk and antelope in some areas) mineral deficient because they only graze and get rebred a couple of months after having babies? I guess if you look for something to criticize, you can find it.

[@AlleyCat-1]

@@thechickenwire6136 jerseys (& most dairy breeds) require more then just grass to graze. They don't get all the vitamins & minerals from grass that they need nutritionally. Now I am not going to personally speculate what Art & Bri aren't doing anymore then what they are doing because we don't see every single aspect of it for their cow, just what's been edited to be shown. But based on my personal experience with Jerseys (& dairy goat's & talk to Vet's & animal nutritionist), a cow in milk needs 2-3 time's the nutrition when she's nursing & more when she's feeding more then 1 calf on top of providing milk for us. They'd do well to talk to a dairy nutritionist in their area (some are in bulk grain feed store) to see what I deficient in their area (Selenium is deficient in the ground in a lot of area's over the US), our summer pasture fatten's up livestock all the time. But "mom's" will pull nutrition from their bodies to put it into their milk to feed their young (& us), I've seen it in horse's too. Without having a full blood panel & other tests to see IF the cow is actually deficient, it's all just a guessing by everyone.

[@lh7501]

My opinion on using AI is to protect your heifer ,heifers can get hurt ..and you can't afford to lose her ,nor vet bills !

[@janw491]

You will have to watch him with that little heifer too as he is so “ enthusiastic”

[@flickertail3116]

@@curiouscat3384 early as 8 months

[@lindastrandquist2429]

And I think the hiefer is his offspring

[@flickertail3116]

@@curiouscat3384 I know ranchers who have the vet give a shot to the very young heifers if bred with a hormone to cause her to sluf the calf if she is too young and then the heifer usually absorbs it and continues maturing.

[@jeannel1065]

I’m happy Alice is recovering well. I was concerned that you hadn’t posted for a few days.

[@OZARKMEL]

AI is not that expensive, certainly cheaper than keeping a bull for one cow. He's a Bull...he's dangerous...I don't care how "chill" he seems. They always bear watching and with your little children it just isn't worth the risk.

[@justmin858]

Yes..I don't care how chill your bull is .. Don't ever fully trust a bull... especially around the kids..even a friendly bulls attitude can change.. yeah we know he didn't hurt your cow on purpose..

[@abcd1234jason]

Ozarkmel but Ai is difficult with just one cow and also a lot more reliant on other things going right and from others, I would keep him away from her 2 days before she goes on heat next then maybe try again the cycle after that

[@elhombredeoro955]

You are right, it's specially true for dairy bulls, but sometimes keeping a bull is a necessity. For example I keep buffaloes and AI is not, how shall I put it, effective. I have tried AI four times and not once any of my buffaloes got pregnant and as soon as I got a male buffalo and all 7 of them got pregnant.

[@AmysArea]

Could you be mounted by that size bull on the tallest hillside of the property without falling over?

[@fionajane56]

AI can be challenging with heat detection but Homesteady has an excellent series about using heat synchronization to AI

[@bernadettejeffers4145]

Funny how non farmers think they have the answer, your patience with your viewers is amazing. Great job Art and Bri!

[@minnesotagal507]

Bernadette Jeffers - some of us grew up on farms too .

[@bernadettejeffers4145]

Minnesota gal Did not mean to offend, or say you cannot voice your opinion. my point is, do Art and Bri have equal access to our decisions ? true they put themselves “out there”. I am referring to “Non Farmers” who do not understand the cycles of farm life, and I stand in “my own opinion” that Art and Bri are very patient with their viewers

[@selinesbeau]

They are barely farmers. Much more experienced people that grew up on farms and with hundreds of years of family farm experience are telling them what they need to do. Listen to the experts.

[@bernadettejeffers4145]

@Maynard Runkle Communication is tricky at the best of times...perhaps you assume too much🤔

[@bernadettejeffers4145]

@Maynard Runkle Maynard, it’s not my call, and they will be sending him to freezer camp soon. By the way my Grandparents were farmers, and My husband was raised on a farm. I stand by my thought that it takes much patience to have so many options on what you do...even though this is their choice. My opinion is my own, and not needed, as I am not family😊

[@TheBanjoman]

I had a feeling when you brought him home that something tragic would happen. This is a great learning video for all. Love that Momma Cow.

[@karenfeinberg2416]

I felt that so strongly watching these videos

[@diannevaldez8670]

@@karenfeinberg2416 ditto here. From the first homecoming video.

[@zoiedl]

I don’t know if you are looking for opinions but I believe the injury happened because he wore her out. Bulls will work all day around a cow in heat. Usually they have a herd to work. We raise cattle in the river hills with very few injuries. I would keep them separated. He should only needs to breed her once.

[@reggieedmonds5325]

You do a great imitation of an angry bull.

[@dodgegirl1us]

Love you guys! I still think that bull needs a herd and not one female to breed.

[@Brifromscratch]

As we mentioned and as we have shown by the fact that he was gone for 5 months, we have no intention of keeping him long term.

[@marymarysmarket3508]

After 5 months, he's REALLY into it.🐂

[@AlleyCat-1]

@@Brifromscratch A.I. next time. Safer

[@AlleyCat-1]

@@marymarysmarket3508 mine turned into the same knotted as their's within 2 minutes of being back with his girl's. No longer safe to be out with him & we've had him since he was weaned (3 yrs ago).

[@margeperez7433]

Glad you cows ok. My dad always put are bull up by him self for 5 days after her had been of to bread. Said it gave bull time to settle back in. Nice to see your bull combed down

[@naturalwitch1359]

Not really my business just a subscriber but if it was my kids and my wife I would go back to the way the situation was with the bull with the friend and borrow him back when I wanted to breed my cow just too dangerous around the family kids are too little

[@nellmarie98]

The dynamics would be the same, maybe if the friend farmer has stronger fencing, then taking the cow minus the calves to the bull on the other farm would work better.

[@analarson2920]

Amen

[@denisesilveira3427]

That would be a very intelligent idea. The bull remains yours but you keep lending to your friend in exchange for them letting him live there when you don’t need him.

[@junehigham2742]

Thank goodness for Bri that you are home now, I can't imagine her dealing with this on her own. Thanks for your sharing, so informative.

[@pameladecicco6509]

All I know is despite the arguments, we love y'all and wish you the best.❤🍀🇮🇪

[@Shellydawn69]

You need a good fenced pasture or set of corrals to pen him up if you really like him as a breeding bull. He is just doing what nature intended.

[@jothankyou2]

Let that guy have the bull. Sell him.? Breed her when needed.

[@jothankyou2]

Breed her with a different bull?

[@Ty2Tito]

Is worth it to have a very good line bull with few cows no just one. And the bull is no even a good looking complexion Bull. Artificial Insemination is more cheap. ( and you can have a specific high quality line calf) then keeping a Bull for a Single Cow.

[@lh7501]

A.I ,no problems

[@tricia9569]

That is just a bull doing what he is supposed to do, next time have a pen on level ground for breeding and everything will be fine. I always kept my bull with the herd but with only one cow he would never stay home if cows are nearby. A good tame bull is very hard to find.

[@diannevaldez8670]

That Casanova 💘 He just knew those ladies needed him down the road!!!

[@MrsEWhite87]

I've been so anxious for an update! I'm glad Alice is fine. It seems you took a very level headed approach to the situation and have made the best decision!

[@maryjemisonMaryjay1936]

Emilie White that’s for Sure Art is level headed he think things through

[@sharonblevins3281]

Maybe so however he's too much to handle long term. JS

[@MM36577]

Art you are so brave, how you got him off her, how scary, but you are amazing.

[@AmysArea]

Alice loves you all.. You can see her gentle loving side.. Even when she looks at you!! She is a good girl!!

[@zouzou8970]

Alice is so sweet ❤ Ferdie is cool too. I thought the problem with conundrums like these while you're trying to build your house is that it distracts you, taking down and rebuilding a house is a task that is not instantly rewarding, it requires a lot of mental energy, dedication, like preparing for a big tough exam, you need focus. Things like these you achieve by minimising or eliminating everything else. Love your channel!

[@twocooneys]

My initial reaction was the same as yours. My dad was cornered and pinned to the barn door by our Jersey bull who had been very friendly and raised on the farm. Our neighbor bought him, put a ring in his nose and took him to his farm. Dad was able to continue using him for breeding when needed. Appreciate your working through the difficulty and making a calm decision.

[@stickclan6415]

I really love how you share your learning experiences like this. It empowers our family to take the leap with new homesteading endeavors and to be more prepared. I can't wrap my mind around how you have enough time in the day to do what you all do and still make videos but they are SO appreciated!!

[@deborahlawing2728]

Good bull imitation there Art. I know you guys got a lot of " advice " and opinions. Glad you arrived at a solution that works for you and the farm. Safety always and blessings to you guys.

[@dixsigns1717]

Why do people try to tell other people what to do and how to live their lives. Although you are a nurse and AI is fairly easy to learn, but I have never learned it and have dealt with stinky buck goats for our dairy for over 30 years. I can not tell you how many times I have been criticized, because of aggressive bucks, for not using AI or not learning AI. We live very remotely and people who do AI service for goats are few and far between as well as the fact that AI is expensive when you add travel time and I do not care that other people try to justify the expense. I so enjoy your videos and honesty. I pray for God's blessings on all of your decisions!

[@heathereads9594]

Research what Joel Salatin says about AI. I recently heard his position and will never consider it again. I am sure Art and Bri knew it long before I did.

[@bradquinn4161]

@Aida A For cows AI is really pretty easy. We learned when I was about twelve. Smaller animals like goats and sheep are a lot trickier. Pigs are about as small as I would personally try to do AI. As far as expense, AI is MUCH cheaper as long as you are not buying the semen of a high value sire. Basically buying the semen equal to the bull you have, rather than a prize winning bull. Typically $16 per straw(dose).

[@tanja8907]

Don't fight nature work with nature. As Joel Salatin says, mother nature is a benevolent giver, she just needs caressing in the right places.

[@flickertail3116]

It's not expensive...$35 is what I paid for a two day 8 hour course...and a straw of semen can be as low as $14-$10,000 for grand champion bulls

[@flickertail3116]

@@bradquinn4161 I used to AI pigs when I worked for a swine unit at the agricultural college I went to...pigs are way less invasive to AI then cattle and horses....I am also certified to AI cattle through Select Sires and also have been trained to collect on horses and AI mares. I've never heard of AI-ing goats though and that has me super curious. Thanks for giving me something to look more into.

[@kelsey311540]

Hi Art and Bri, this had to be one of your best videos! Watching the raw drama with the bull transported me back many years to my life on the farm. I spent my first 19 years on a large dairy farm, raising animals, growing gardens, crops.. the works. I watched my Dad making difficult choices and when I married and had our own little farm, we too had to make decisions that were beyond difficult. Sometimes there are no exact or perfect answers only best judgments made from past experiences and relying on one another. Keep up the GREAT work!! And Art, I hung up my 'nursing cap' early to be able to follow my dreams.. It makes me smile to see you make yet another tough decision. Thank you for sharing your life with us.. your heartbreaks and victories!

[@allonesame6467]

A good temperament bull is an asset and requires some changes to your infrastructure to accommodate him and her freshening is most naturally brought about by having a bull around. He's a gentle bull, but coming from a situation where he had free access to several mates down to one, can leave him hormonally frustrated and eager. Hooray Alice is Okay! You can always circulate him to other herds. Other farmers may have a need for a good bull. Get the word out? Blessings Abound.

[@debbiegallett1125]

All sound thinking. Bringing him in when she was already in heat was probably the mis-step. Keeping them off the steep hill and letting them be together until she comes into heat again (or not if she is already bred) will give a calmer experience. My bull ( a red angus) is super chill but they all have different personalities. Next time you will do it differently, live and learn.

[@terriberrie4917]

That’s true but they said they they didn’t think she was in heat she was not showing any signs that’s why they let him in

[@NancyBryantIdeas]

@@terriberrie4917 The bull knew otherwise. She was in heat and when they let the cow and the bull back together. He preg tested her. He has already nailed it and he (the bull) knows it. I have raised cows and seen that more times than I can count. I have seen a bull put his nose right into a stream of urine and done a crazy bull moan. That is bull preg testing. 9 months later there is a calf on the ground.

[@terriberrie4917]

Yeah but they didn’t know she was not showing signs and they are okay with her getting pregnant again that’s why they where together it happens like you said live and learn

[@embyrnes5777]

@@NancyBryantIdeas Just curious, what is your opinion on keeping a horned bull? My BIL grew up on a dairy farm, and once married and having children, kept two milkers and a few beef critters for many years in a small farm situation, and would never have horns on his bull. He's had some pretty easy going bulls. George was the last one I remember he raised from a calf. We all knew to just let the bull be, as interested in people as he was, and seemingly easy going, he was still a bull.

[@mspat8195]

@@embyrnes5777 do you know that they saw those horns off with no painkillers, during nor after? The same with neutering farm animals & even pets.

[@EM-kl9bq]

Yes! Thanks for the update. I'll admit I've been thinking about Alice since the last video. I'm so glad Alice is doing good! ❤ You got this. 😎💕

[@pamelalane6576]

You guys handled that very well ..animals follow their instincts .if we have animals we need to understand that .humans problem solve.,killing bull for being a bull would be no different than killing a dog for being a dog. People would be appalled if that was suggested. You both are doing great job on your homestead keep up the good work.

[@jipjojed]

Look up a poultice called "Sore No More" I use it on my horse n it works!

[@oldtimeengineer26]

He was just being a bull. My Angus bulls sniff the mamas all the time even when not in heat. Most likely may have been wet grass if in the morning. My dad always told me never trust a bull and never turn your back on them. That advice has saved me a number of times. Keep the bull he seems to be a good one.

[@williamsfamily3939]

Bri - your palpable relief about sweet Alice brought tears to my eyes. What a great spirit you have 🥰

[@kathycagg6531]

I’m so happy to see Alice recovering so well. And Art & Bri, you are beyond patient with all the advice & opinion giving of your viewers.

[@radiantlightstream]

You have already decide to keep him at least til next heat, that is clear, since the video you took of the incident happened last Sunday and it aired many days later. I am #TeamSafetyForChildren 24/7. He can go through ANY fence at ANY time, period and no lasso will stop that. We know you are watching, but that also will not stop him if he makes a choice to charge. Again, you have made the choice and well if anything happens.., you have hindsight, right? I pray for the kids safety and yours.

[@hollywhited8495]

I am SO RELIEVED Alice is ok! I thought about you guys and her all day yesterday with a heavy heart. Its also good to know that there was some reasoning behind the bulls behavior. You can't punish animals for pursuing their instincts and doing what animals do.

[@diamondwfarm2238]

WOW! Art, you sound just like your bull. 🤪

[@sallywheeler3584]

We’re so glad Alice is recovering. The bull was just doing his job. Looks like you handled it well.

[@lcostantino7931]

Agree, borrow bull when need..... Way too dangerous a situation,,, I was waiting for bull to break through the wooden walls.... Good name WILD MAN"" DOING his Job...!!!!!

[@cherylanderson3340]

Since your vid of this event, I kept wondering how things were going, if Alice was going to recover or suffer a setback & have to be put down. So I really appreciate the update. You know & understood him & figured out how to pull him away from her, which I, & likely other viewers, didn't think would even be possible. Bulls are such powerful creatures! He did chase off the calves, but he didn't seek to make it a point to harm the calves. It helped that they'd had the sense to take off when he wanted them to bug off, & he didn't chase after them, so that was a relief too. I'd thought those efforts to pull him away from Alice could get you, Art, or someone else injured, with Bri & the kids in the area, but he didn't charge at anyone, or accidentally trample a child, so that was a relief. It sure looked like anything was possible. You handled him with great insight, Art. Then too, I'd worried that Alice could potentially be more seriously injured. Now she seems to have recovered. And There's no doubt in my mind he certainly could if he was so Also, I didn't know you wanted to breed her already, so sending him away wouldn't make sense, if he's manageable. And also, I didn't know how long she'd be in heat, so how long you'd have to manage a potentially dangerous situation. Looks like a crisis has been averted, for now. Is there a tranquilizer gun & darts you could buy if a future event turned dangerous? Like - what if he smells a neighbor's cow in heat & starts tearing down those flimsy wires & heads out on those country roads to find her, & could cause harm to others or even a possible encounter with a vehicle, injuring people. If he was so driven, & Art isn't there, could Bri or the kids or a farm sitter handle him? I doubt it.

[@elhombredeoro955]

Glad to see Alice recovering. I still believe that you should either do away with the bull or buy more cows.

[@nmdispatchlady]

Its tough sometimes on a working homestead. The reality is you need to breed your livestock so that they can provide what ever it is that they are there for. He actually is a very gentle bull, I've been around some that definitely weren't. There is solution and it will present at the appropriate time, there is AI or Bull sharing just to name a few off the top of my head. Don't let others influence YOUR decision making for what is best for your animals and family. God bless

[@diannevaldez8670]

It is tough and sometimes heartbreaking. But i did not see the same bull that left their homestead. I did see him being aggressive, very aggressive even not letting the babies near their mama to feed by running them off. I am happy no people were hurt. It was bad enough Alice was injured and I agree with Art that if they had not come home when they did she might have died. I did read a lot of suggestions from people who care about art, bri, the kids and the animals. But I think like all of the other youtube homesteaders they need to encourage comments/feedback because youtube looks at that as involvement (?) from/with their community. Which is all of us, for good or bad. :)

[@denisesilveira3427]

Bull sharing seems a good idea.

[@bettymaverick1098]

I have been worrying so much about Alice. Very happy to see that she is alot better now. Hope and pray that everything works out fine for you all.🐴

[@snarky_farmer]

Thank you for not making a decision based on a knee-jerk reaction. He is in no way a bad bull. If he would have come after Art, I'd definitely be on the get-rid-of (be it eat or sell) train. He was definitely over-stimulated, understandably, but definitely wasn't the definition of "aggressive"...or at least my definition. If things change or escalate, of course different decisions can be made. Just happy to see logic over emotion.

[@mammahasspoken]

I grew up on a farm that raised cows for meat. We had a bull named Charlie. Charlie was infamous for getting loose in order to 'visit' other farms to help breed the population. My dad would get phone calls telling him his bull was on their farm. Some would want dad to come get him right away, some would want the bull to stay until he was done breeding their cows. After so many years (sorry can't remember how many), it was time for Charlie to go to freezer camp. I remember it so well in that it was the worst beef we had ever ate! Even the hamburger was tough! My concerns is to the future if you should decide to keep the baby heifer and she comes to the age of breeding. Not sure him breeding her would be a good idea and the prevention of it might be 'dicey' to say the least.

[@AngiesPantry58]

I agree .. I grew up on a farm all so.. Bull meat that has not been neutered when a calf is Honorable tasting ... I would sell him off..

[@_Fizel_]

That heifer is his daughter, so they would never do that.

[@mammahasspoken]

@@_Fizel_ That's what I was implying with my comment. They would never do that on purpose, but something to think about having to deal with when/if the time comes. How to keep it from happening.

[@_Fizel_]

@@mammahasspoken Oh. The way I read it was just concerned she was too young or small when she would. But yeah they seem to have never planned to keep him on the farm long term.

[@denisesilveira3427]

@@_Fizel_ they would. Trust me, they would. Animals don’t care for father/mother/sister/brother relations.

[@espegameing4842]

Amazing. Now let's just hope he doesn't still push the calves away...

[@elainejohnson6866]

So proud of y'all!! Good stewards of the animals!!♡♡

[@kathrynjones5858]

I am so glad Alice is doing well. When I did not see a video yesterday, I feared the worst. Thank goodness, Alice is healing. Thank you for the update.

[@susanmarsh4351]

Thank you for posting. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for being analytical in your presentation. Thank you for being safe. Now have done decent peaceful nights! Best wishes. Sleep well. All is calm in the bovine community.

[@Lucky_5090]

Susan Marshall I agree and love your comment! I learned a lesson about an aggresive rooster. I needed to understand he was just doing his job. I agree with what your saying Art about Ferdinand i recall how chill he was, and I didnt think his temperament would change to an aggressive bull. Hes just doing his job.

[@TheMessengerLife]

So glad to hear this news about Alice starting to recover so quickly! Also so glad you all took a step back and really looked at the situation objectively and sought advice from knowledgeable others before making a decision. Thank you for sharing your experiences- it is so helpful to see all the things that can happen (good or bad) when running a farm! God’s shalom blessings on your whole family!

[@amyb5339]

You being home full time was perfect. It takes a "bull" to manage a bull. Thank you for your careful care of all you steward. Humans included!

[@SuperAbcdabcdabcdabc]

Hello from Prince Edward Islaand, Canada. My bordercollie/lab mix dog was so alerted to the sounds from the bull, she kept watching my tablet.

[@brydiecavanagh2393]

Good decision. He's really a gentle guy. I've seen bulls go through a solid gate made of timber posts to attack a man. Like you said he respects you.

[@lorriehall7243]

My question..the cost of feeding and maintaining a bull for a year, how does it compare to AI(artificial insemination)?

[@melotaor3603]

I don't know the cost, but I would imagine that they are thinking in the prepper mindset, better to have it year round and only use it a couple times than need it and something in the supply chain be messed up and miss a heat, miss a calf, miss milk. That's how I see it. I do think that having a bull for one cow is excessive and having a partnership with a friend or 2 on a bull when you only have 1 or 2 heffer is a safer and more cost effective option.

[@emilywilson3999]

I'm glad Alice is healing up well and walking good. I applaud y'all for keeping a level head and assessing the situation before acting. Y'all are doing a great job! I love your videos

[@bncsmom1]

It isn't always about cost. A reply they made to a comment above explains it: ART and BRI 6 hours ago The problem with everyone saying we need to AI is that we do not live in a big cattle area. There are lots of cattle farms but they all have bulls and prefer live cover. They are also closed herds , which means no we can not rent their bull and no we actually wouldn’t want to. So all that to say.... AI isn’t all that accessible where we live.

[@Jlind9335]

AI doesn't work every time. The bull knows when it is time. AI you just have to do it when you think the time is right. AI can be costly, if you use it and you get nothing. The bull is costly to feed all year, each farm has to decide the best way to go. Pros and Cons can be a long list.

[@PromisedJubilee]

Thank you for sharing this process with us. I'm sure it's stressful having so many people pushing their opinions on you, thanks for hangin in there through it ❤

[@lidascarbro1773]

Art and Bri I know you are very attentive to the animals and children. You do not have to justify your decision but is appreciate. Your viewers care for your family and voice concern. My wish is that everyone is safe including the animals.

[@brendalouquilts]

You two are wise to listen to advice and calmly and unemotionally weigh your options. Every good homestead needs wisdom and hard work. Both are obviously present in yours. God Bless. Happy Alice is getting better. BrendaLou of Deerwood Farms in rural Jordan, MN

[@catsgillhillbilly]

Great job, Art and Bri! GREAT video! I was riveted the entire time!

[@Tracys_Little_Patch_of_Dirt]

He seems much more chilled out now. He's a lovely bull just gets a bit excited. Hope he continues to be chilled.

[@dollyperry3020]

I always admire your common sense and well thought out solutions to problems. No impulsivity in your actions~! Bravo~!

[@SalLeeHolland]

You really thought it out. Doing a great job. When it's time, close off the hill area so they are at the bottom, and she will hopefully have better footing.

[@sharoncochran8508]

Experience is a great learning tool. Google can't compete with first hand experience. Best wishes in this situation.

[@PlasticContainerCity]

Fascinating! I was glued to my screen. Thank you so much for including us

[@caroleewalker5546]

You guys are amazing. So impressed with Art’s quick response and smart choices. You both ( and your children ) are an inspiration to us all. ❤️

[@PaulaWilliamsdooah]

He’s a beautiful bull. I pray it all works out for y’all.

[@guitguy6579]

That's pretty interesting that he calmed down after being sequestered to that low-light stall for a couple days, kind of like when a broody hen is taken out of sitting on eggs and the hormones chill out and order is restored. I think he came back from a breeding situation with your friend's cows, to a cow in heat, and his instincts were "this is what I do." The unfortunate part was the timing when he wanted to mate, and the incline of the hill, not misplaced aggressiveness.

[@bradquinn4161]

It probably had very little to do with the light levels. As she fell out of heat he could not smell that scent that triggers the bull into breeding mode. No scent and his behavior drops back to normal. When she comes back into heat (20? days) his behavior will go right back into breeding mode.

[@diannevaldez8670]

@@bradquinn4161 also he's the little heifers daddy and he did not act this badly when performing his duties so I can see how his previous situation affected him. I'm wondering if when he comes back from these sleepovers could he be sequestered everytime for a few days, would that help?

[@bradquinn4161]

@@diannevaldez8670 Probably the biggest problem was bringing him back when she was already in heat. Instead of the slow buildup as she came into heat, he was hit with her full strength heat scent as soon as he arrived. Kind of like having a mixed drink before you start doing shots. Instead he went straight to doing shots. When she comes back into heat in a week(?) now, it will be a pretty good test run. If he behaves like he did when he first arrived on the farm, then that will confirm that was the problem. If he behaves like he did this time, it may just be the fact that he is getting more mature. Up to a point the older a bull gets the more cows he can cover per day (his hormones are stronger, increasing his drive).

[@diannevaldez8670]

@@bradquinn4161 thanks brad. I appreciate the reply and the explanation. I hope he is more like his old self. For sweet Alice's sake.

[@reachinreverie8462]

👍Wonderful update! Y'all handled the situation so well with mindfulness and vigilance. I would've been freaking out so much more, but you were able to take a step back and see the bigger picture that he was just doing his job and, with care, he still has the potential to stick around for a while longer. This is a great video. Thank you for sharing with us your experience as you go along the way.

[@sandgroperlivinginadelaide6998]

Thank you for the update, Im glad Alice is okay, you guys are awesome, you always look into what is best for the animals and your family. Fingers crossed all goes well

[@goodasset7]

You need to think about your kids,calves and Alice wellfare with a bull around.Much safer ways to deal with this.Too much stress and constant worry.

[@SilhouetteParkFarm]

Thank you for the update, I’ve been wondering how Alice was going. You’ve made the right decision for you, your family/homestead and animals. I think keeping them on flat ground is a great idea for Alices safety. Good luck with it all.

[@SilhouetteParkFarm]

Ps Art’s impression of the Bull bellowing was spot on 😂

[@Grimmarox]

My heart was beating so bad. Alice it was so good to see you walking around.

[@cyn6964]

You are doing everything you can possibly do. I am thankful that Alice is healing. Your decisions are sound. You are thoughtful of all the animals on your homestead. Thank you for allowing us a glimpse of how you came to your decision.

[@monicap1717]

Sell him to the friend who BORROWED HIM & offered to buy him. Then use him as needed!

[@abbybuds1697]

Why does everyone think the friend would be so happy to drive out there and breed the cow once a year for free ? Once it’s his he can do with it what they want can charge breeding fees what not ppl change

[@staceyhunt5342]

That steer was raging from what was shown, with your children in their own environment. I dont want to sound mean even you're both such gentle people, but you're both too busy to have a full grown bull that doesnt have a strong fence to keep him where he should be until you use him again Also, is it possible your neighbor gave him some sort of medication or even steroids while he was using him? What kind of man is he? Does he give kindness back to you to show his personality traits? How can you trust the bull to stay behind electric fences when you have a toddler who loves cows? What if that bull came crashing into the barn while the kids were sitting on the floor playing in the area designed for them. Can you as parents begin to realize the years of guilt if you didnt sell him and he did trauma to them?

[@karenfeinberg2416]

The trauma already happened. Pray none to come.

[@suebooa4783]

Great update - practical and common sense approach! Thank you. I was on pins and needles waiting for your plan!

[@conniebeachy6482]

my reaction came from emotion - and my husband has no tolerance for aggressiveness in a bull. prayers and good luck with the way you are handling things. hope all goes well. hugs from here!

[@alanviner3711]

We love you guys more than you will ever know and love your family and work ethics. But you're farmers now folks deal with farm issues a little less drama. You guys do not need a bull on premises sell him get some cash back and rent one when you need it bulls as everyone knows are not predictable, and generally don't make great pets, don't try and rationalize why you should keep him it won't have a great outcome.. Got bless you all but get on with it.

[@nancysutton7891]

They said!! ... in the vlog!!!... they are not keeping him after next breeding (on flat land)... and NEVER intended to!! (Seems so easy to hear what we 'want' to hear... me, included ;)

[@lucydiazcolon734]

Please forgive me, no way would I keep that thing near my kids. God bless y'all. If you keep him. He can kill the cow.

[@Honey-_bee]

I have been anxiously awaiting how Alice was doing. Praying it continue to all go well.

[@lilbayouhomestead2646]

He was doing what comes natural to him,but it's still nerve wreaking.Best of luck to you guys,We love watching Alice and pray she heals asap.

[@bonafideslacker2626]

Personally I think 'better safe than sorry' is a saying for a reason in situations like this.

[@WhereMyChicken]

Reminder: Your topography presents some hazards for big animals mating on an incline.

[@claireisacamel]

Art’s Bull call made me cackle hahaha THAT’S how you know a person has been around a sound enough. It’s soooo accurate lol y’all probably heard him in your sleep!

[@marshasmith6320]

Thanks so much for the update. I was worried about Alice. Glad things worked out for the better. Can’t wait for the next video.

[@valerieedwards2328]

I’ve been on a working farm, that has raised beef cattle, most of my life ( that’s over 60 years). With that in mind - #1 Beef and dairy cows are totally different. Therefore, me giving you advice on your dairy cow, as if it was an angus, would be totally wrong. #2 Just as you said, you bull acted like a bull. In fact, I thought he seemed calmer than a lot of bulls I’ve been around. #3 It boils down to - Do what you think is best with the knowledge & experience you have and trusted expert advice you get. As my husband says, farming is a legalized for of gambling.

[@joyceg6480]

I would sell the bull and find a calmer bull to breed Alice in the future. I'd take this as a warning. Just my opinion.

[@acoatofgold5627]

There’s no such thing as a calm bull during heat. Ferdinand will relax eventually.

[@joyceg6480]

@@acoatofgold5627 hope so

[@lesliefisher9398]

So glad to finally have an update. I spent all day yesterday praying for you all. That's a well thought out decision. Good luck!

[@thepressedpig5397]

Thank you for documenting! Even through trials others can learn such valuable information!! I wish you good luck!🙂❤️

[@radiantlightstream]

I would say, Art, I am happy you got the bull away from her. BUT was it worth you getting dead and your family with no husband or father around IF that went badly, which you are very lucky it didnt. Rare. No bull, possible future calf, or milk is worth that. Adrenaline does strange and unpredictable things.

[@YogiHollowFarm]

I was also concerned that Art would get hurt due to getting in between what the bull is intending to do. Be careful Art!

[@ujmg00]

I grew up on a dairy farm in a farming community in northern Vermont and was taught never to trust a bull. We weren’t allowed in the same pasture with him. Unfortunately we had experienced farmers loose their lives due to bulls turning on them. I couldn’t watch more than a few minutes of your last vlog and I had to fast forward through some of this vlog. My anxiety got the best of me.

[@rsoubiea]

I realize he's just being a bull however I don't think it's working for you or your family. I fear for your children. Your fences are not up for this challenge

[@anneamcgrath]

Oh thank goodness, I've been rooting for your bull, so gentle, truly worth his weight in gold! Thank you so much for your thoughtful decision! 🐂 👏 🌸🌺

[@vivianwilliams2216]

I'm so happy your sweet cow is getting better, and it's so awesome how you are exploring all the most positive options in handling your bull, 😊👍💕💕💕

[@benjaminfreyman4273]

Yeah I was really shocked when I saw you were keeping a bull and have children. My farmer friends in their 70s told me a few years ago that even a cow can kill people. So Id sell it or eat him. I miss that smart black one you had.

[@rcjo2]

At the very least, get a good cattle prod. I'd so hate to see you or any member of your family hurt. :-(

[@claireisacamel]

I can’t imagine the pressure of figuring out how to nurse your mama back to health, having a bellowing bull, AND having thousands of people giving semi-unsolicited advice haha you guys handle it well! Big squeezy hugs ❤️❤️❤️

[@karenanderson6985]

I’m happy Alice is ok. Thanks for sharing your experience. And Art you do a great imitation of an unhappy bull.