What Artists Should Know about the Gaming Industry (ft. Scott Flanders) - Draftsmen S2E13

[@Draftsmen]

What are your best and worst experiences working as an artist? Please leave names anonymous.

[@sadiqalribaa8313]

Braking the BLOODY CHARCOAL PENCIL WHEN SHARPENING!! So annoyyiinnnnngg.

[@NarThulkqha]

Living in a thirld world country. Dont know how to price my art, and cant know how should i sell it (and on my country it's really really hard living on art itself)

[@starquake7061]

@@NarThulkqha Learn English then sell your art abroad.

[@annaclayton7019]

Worst experience: Not knowing how to break into the art world and not knowing how to make art my career. Basically feeling like I'm leaving it to chance. Best experience: I sold art at a booth once and met my sale goal. I also met so many people and felt a lot of support.

[@madokaonline]

Otneimica his name is in spanish, it means cybernetic potato, if you look closely, Its almost the same as english

[@jessejzetteart5180]

40:38 "Art is f*ckin hard, to deliver at a high level caliber of skill on a day-to-day basis to actually genuinely solve problems and make good art. It's really hard to to and it's very stressful." Agree.

[@MaTTheWish]

Yes. That is one thing most people truly don't understand.

[@alecobert]

My name is Alec, so when Scott looked into the camera and asked, "Alec, video-focused, correct?" I thought I had finally woken up in the Matrix.

[@AngelaMerici12]

😂 🤣 🤣 🤣!!! That sounds fun!!

[@aleclang9735]

me too dude

[@yohenson]

you know what's marvelous about marshall? that he can actually gaze at someone's soul and see what pain it has and can listen to that pain and offer support. that's a humble and noble characteristic i admire of him.

[@didi1406]

great observation. as a therapist, I noticed marshall is very incredible and listening and empathy.

[@adanrodriguez2124]

Who else is adding to their book lists after taking a peek at Mr. Vandruff's Book Shelf? lol

[@icemarle]

Every damn episode xD

[@nicks931]

I have them all! LIterally.

[@labzor3107]

This is honestly one of the best episode, I loved how Scott brought up not only the difficulties of art development but also how his character developed and the trials that came with this.

[@knucklesbyname]

43:25 omg the part where Scott talks about how an unskilled creative manager can ruin your life - and even your craft- hits me hard. And yeah, the better you get the more resentment they have towards you. *hugs past self*

[@Evergladez]

This was a really good and revealing episode, I love the fact that he wasn't jaded or miserable about his time spent with the bigger corporation.

[@chayemor]

The managerial problem talked about actually spans to many other careers as well. Tends to be that people who also don't particularly enjoy the skill they have learned (whether they are good or not), also drift towards management. Management is something that should be studied, is not easy to manage but many do it out of the box and become corrupted by the power.

[@Billy.Bacsko]

Most artist are independent free thinkers, but many of us are also passive and introverted. So making waves in PC culture can impead our ability to create. So we stay silent in many social situations. And when we do speak up we are looked at as mavericks or are then "othered" by those around us who are also unwilling to speak up. Scott was a breath of fresh air. Hearing Scott's honest and candid take on how the work effected him was truly a gift. I started crying a little when he got choked up and I could see tears in his eyes. Thank you for giving him a space to share his truth with us.

[@alephthetheropod6210]

I'm not an artist, but I consume artistic products. Do not let PC assholes bully you or break you. Us (the market) like the artists' vision of things, not the vapid nonsense in vogue, you'll see people will support you.

[@platoschauvet]

you can tell how much he loves his kid, it's really sweet

[@amiroarrr]

Marshall mentioned at 59:15 about artists who are "so happy to have their name in the credit of a movie". I used to be that guy. It is cool when you get to work for movies you actually want to work for, but after a while, I got tired of all the remakes, prequels and sequels. As much as working in the industry was really a cool experience, it slowly became a boring office job when I started to realize that Hollywood is out ideas. Just a word of caution to people looking to enter the industry - that passion can fizzle out, so it may be a good idea to keep up with your creative pursuits outside of work when you're not working your 80 hour weeks.

[@hfmood6281]

When u wan to sleep but the new draftsman episode pops up

[@umario992]

Can you please bring Jama Jurabaev to your podcast? I am 100 percent sure that he will be willing to do it because he was interviewed by a lot of people already and he is an amazing teacher. It would be interesting to hear in detail about Marshall's history with Jama, as well.

[@rocketbird1]

They already got him!

[@marymaheco]

I used to be very proud of working for the company and always giving beyond what I can. Worked day and night also the weekened with no time left for myself for 9 years one day I felt that I was in an environment where I needed to protect myself. I was simply inside vampire cave. I had no energy left to continue. The job was sucked out all of my life source. In this kind of stage you just run for your life from where you are into the uncertainty.

[@rdinetainmoun5549]

I might be 8 months late for the party, but I just listened to this episode for the third time and it resonates so strongly within me... I feel like I can completely relate to the idea of a growing artist, I long for the aforementioned environment where one could get in contact with older artists of the industry and gain some much needed perspective and connections both humane and practical. It leaves me feeling bereft that we do not have such communities involved in digital art industry in my country. Such environment sounds like a little piece of heaven...

[@Toto69584]

What a fantastic interview. Huge respect to him for giving us an insight into his heart and soul. He really opened up and that takes serious integrity and courage. I’m inspired.

[@ShinonArt]

This was a very insightful talk and look into gaming industry. I sometimes find myself thinking about what it would be like to do creature designs for a video game versus just doing my own thing. Very good thoughts about the subject. One of the big reasons why I hesitate is how women are treated and perceived in the industry and this episode also touched on that. The question is just ignored altogether. "Is it a boy’s club?" "No, but yeah kinda." Good episode but that last bit made me feel like women are being left out of the conversation and the opportunities. Might be a good topic for another guest talk?

[@kennydreadfuls861]

Shinon I am friends with an OG female game designer who was extremely influential, and wasn’t directly involved at all with gamergate, but she had to shut all her social media down, and almost left the industry, and she was at the top of the pyramid. But she stayed, shifted her focus to fostering a better environment for everyone. So I hope that continues to get better for you. And I think that you should go for your dreams, but if you find it darkening to a nightmare, get out and regroup and start over. It is better to be working a day job and doing art at night then to let garbage people make you think there art is the problem and we lose another artist.

[@buyita24slash7]

@@kennydreadfuls861 in which games did she work on?, i only know about terri brosius who was Shodan in System Shock 2

[@aeoligarlic4024]

Yeah i wish it was dissected further, listening to draftsmen this far I think Marshall has an egalitarian approach in all subjects in general. He tapped into it a bit but sadly it seems like they ran out of time to ellaborate. That being said i think women can thrive in the creative industry as well. Loish is one of my favorite examples

[@rokktober-personal]

I loved this podcast so much, Scott is being truly introspective and honest about his journey. What an awesome human ❤️

[@aeoligarlic4024]

Some comments here state how scot's being salty. But i actually appreciate his insights. I don't know maybe those said commenters are not happy with the reality of their dreamjobs not being what they expected. Here's a thing, an industry is an industry. No matter where you are be it animation, game, fashion, technology. It really isn't sunshine and rainbows. Hierarchy, office politics, and overtime are everywhere. And when you're in scot's age (which i get where he's coming bc we're in a close brackey) those glitz n glam of being in a big industry just isn't IT anymore

[@mehulsrivastava9858]

Please invite jeff watts. Would love to hear from him.

[@teo4evermj]

Yes! That'd be great

[@adamburian4648]

Great idea! Make this comment crawl up so Marshall and Stan may notice!

[@joaopaints]

YESSSS

[@tristonho451]

Yeahh

[@eldrickzero4885]

dude great idea

[@alephthetheropod6210]

Great episode! I love Scott's honesty, and your transparency too! Thanks for not cutting important content. Multiple sources tell a very similar story about the environment. I absolutely support his decision to be with his son and follow his own vision. Added: Marshall's maverick side was on point on this one.

[@spencerjonesvo3973]

This episode has a more serious tone than the others, which isn't necessarily a bad thing- too much gloom and doom and too much silliness in any context isn't good. Ditto, being balanced between work and social life is also important. You have one life after all- make sure to strike the best balance you can.

[@fantomlimb5008]

This has been my favorite episode so far! The conversation is just so real and relatable. I love what everyone is saying and something about how Marshall chimes in with little anecdotes perfectly sums up what Scott is saying. While Stan offers great followup questions.

[@damiloification]

Please invite Eliza Ivanova to your podcast 😍❤️

[@JD.Blango]

Really didn't think I would be that interested in this episode, but man I was soo wrong. The knowledge that the man dropped and the real shit straight talk was very appealing. Related a lot to this episode, and loved it 👏🏾.

[@razorback7828]

It was a wonderful conversation. Thanks to Scott for his very transparent speech and his integrity.

[@alfiealpha]

So nice to hear Scott's words. He literally spoke about how I feel about my full-time job. He put the words correctly that I wouldn't know how to explain what I am feeling inside. Nothing is exciting me about this job. Wish I could have the courage to leave and be a fulltime artist. But that can not happen. I don't have the guts. At least for the time being

[@fernsbaronia1998]

This interview has been very insightful for someone who wants to break into the industry. I appreciate the honest take on it.

[@atilab99draws58]

i don't get why there are these negative comments, this episode is as valuable as the others, i'm 20 and my guess would be most of the viewers are around that age and they should learn that from any story you can take out at least one useful thing to you, even a bad, useless story gives you what not to do...try actually listening and taking some notes that may not be useful at the moment but will come handy later...then again i could be wrong i am just a kid after all, yet to get xp and all that edit: after going through the other comments and rereading mine, i think i understand a bit more of what's going on down here, sorry to anyone i've caused inconvienience

[@psychiccrocodile3679]

@@MrVenomsaurus plus he mentioned the non inclusive environment that he seems to unknowingly be fostering. He seems to surround himself with dudes who are like him. Why is it that a chick being in a group of guys, makes guys uncomfortable which therefore makes it uncomfortable for the female.. I dont blame him for not realizing this, but it is what's happening.

[@Plib]

@Kris Perhaps you should educate yourself on toxic masculinity in the games industry (among other minority issues), because it's definitely a huge problem if you've been paying attention to games industry news.

[@zszyTW]

@@Plib There is no issue with being a minority or "toxic masculinity" in the western world.

[@maggir8220]

maybe not the best to assume peoples age, i am 39 and have been watching the podcast and proko for a long time. it is also not good to assume peoples way of consuming content. everyone might have a different interest, me for example, i just like the educated discussions with stan and marshall. does not mean i will ever be a professional artist

[@13igorsm]

@@MrVenomsaurus if you mess around in Glassdoor abit, and explore the sexism cases of 2013 in Riot , you will find that the biggest problems is related to new leadership from diferent culture , since the biggest share-holders are chinese and coreans. Such late-capitalistic cultures have very diferent view on gender in work space.

[@rskrakau8137]

So refreshing that you are inviting guests now. Go on like that!

[@seothis640]

Damn. I was super thankful to Scott when he gave me a crit on my piece for the creature competition you guys had and now I'm even more thankful to the guy. Extremely interesting to hear some really honest thoughts on industry jobs. Cheers-yo!

[@abdullahnaim10]

This was such an amazing honest talk! Love it and hope to see more. Learned so much and brings me to keep my art as a hobby to enjoy and not a business/career that may ruin its joy and cause financial challenges(Current view). Thank you!

[@omegaredtooth5104]

This guy is the man. Thank for posting this brutally honest material!

[@armoredsolus6233]

Thanks for the interview and insight guys! Glad you're all looking healthy and happy!

[@annaqura3360]

Marshall: SCOTT! Scott: Marshaaaaall

[@randommcranderson5155]

This was the best episode of your podcast.

[@joaopaints]

I totally agree, adding a guest really freshened up the podcast. I highly enjoyed

[@willheydecker6179]

I LOVE THE HAMMERHEAD SCULPTURE ON SCOTT'S SHELF!

[@khayuishanglai3353]

FINALLY SOMETHING RELATED TO THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY!👌

[@leonylopez4604]

Scott Flanders, your conversation is very interesting. It amaze me the artists that work in the gaming industry, all those monsters, creatures... Oh boy! I find it very imaginative, a lot of creativity.

[@BakiWho]

this video means alot

[@VisiColors]

I love you guys and this podcast, but this episode just wasn't it for me. As someone who watches/listens to nearly every art podcast under the sun, I feel like this episode just follows the same formula that a large majority of those other ones do. I love Draftsmen because it's so different from those: it's always positive, inquisitive, informed, and community-driven. I mean no offense to Scott Flanders, but I guess I'm just really tired of hearing from people who were in the industry but "broke out" to become a teacher, mentor, or freelancer because they were sick of their jobs. It's continually the case that the artists who have this story are all in their 30's, but they talk as if they're 80 and have lived a full career and have mastered their craft. A part of me wonders if it's more psychological, and if we artists spend so long clawing our way into the industry only to get there and realize that the joy was in trying to "make it". I can't help but feel like, once we reach our goals; now that we've "made it", we become disenchanted with something that we'd put on a pedestal for so long. As a side note, every time that Stan or Marshall spoke up to either sort of dig deeper into what Scott was saying or make what he was saying more applicable to us, it felt like a needed critique or addition to this narrative and it was so helpful to hear. Love you guys, cheers

[@randominternetuser2]

Totally agree with this take. This was the weakest episode so far. They just talked about the same thing the entire time. Need more direction to the interview.

[@definitelynotnick2454]

So what are you trying to say? Should they just not invite independent artists who have valuable experience like this for younger artists? Patterns like what you mentioned happen for a reason, I guarantee if you had someone working in the industry on, they wouldn't speak like this simply because they have bills to pay. I'd rather have the truth than sugar coated bs.

[@the_Googie]

@Not Important most people work shitty ass jobs. Im not talking art industry. Im talking retail, delivery, factories. If I did the most soulless art sitting down at Disney for the rest of my life, id consider that a win. Theres no optimal job.

[@logantj8020]

really enjoyed listening to this one, it was really insightful. scott seems like such a real person and it was interesting hearing his experiences and how he's evolved over the years. thanks for sharing : )

[@AndrewMarloweTV]

Fantastic collaboration and good insight, thanks to all three of you for this great podcast

[@markb.8460]

this was real, felt like fresh air

[@theunraveler]

This is such a juicy episode with all the dirty details on Riot Games, a company whose art I enjoy alot! BTW, please interview Stanley Lau (artgerm)

[@NoblesseObligedCP]

52:24 "I think this is in everyone to do this" lifts arms up to reveal believe tattoo

[@robby7025]

I live in Belgium and the more I watch these podcasts, the more that I feel like I need these courses too.

[@deebonash4487]

Scott is soo well spoken!!!

[@bluedots4511]

I don't know why other people are complaining about this interview, but I feel that it was very informative and basically gives you an idea of what an actual job in art looks like, Scott's opinions aside it is useful to get an inside look into the industry, keep up the great podcasts Proko!

[@definitelynotnick2454]

People dont enjoy criticism of stuff they like, especially when it comes to politics. It's sad that people can't think independently anymore and are so tied to something that any criticism taints an otherwise good conversation.

[@furionese]

After this podcast I became a fan of Scott. Well, "fan" is a bad word, I completely subscribe to his opinions and wise words. I subscribed to his channel too.

[@nikyt36]

Hard to be just a cog when it comes to creativity when there’s no time to satisfy your own personal ideas & goals. That said, that’s working life.

[@adelacreative]

To me it seems like he's going through a mid life crisis, where he realized he's not happy where he is in life and career. I'm going through one myself where I'm changing from web/graphic design to art and illustration. But at the same time he still doesn't seem happy, so maybe it's something more than a career change that he needs ;) And I don't mean to say this as a critique, it's just that I had been through similar feels myself.

[@yohenson]

yes. i feel the same way. t wasn't the perfect moment for him, but dont you think its brave of him to come forward feeling like this? takes lots of power and courage.

[@SnuubScadoob]

I dont think so. The gaming industry right now is woefully unkind to creators and artists. I think he just realized what he couldn't stand putting up with anymore.

[@adelacreative]

@@SnuubScadoob I think it's the same in any industry if you don't feel happy where you are. Especially in the creative field. With him I sensed something more that that. I might be wrong but it's the feeling I got watching him.

[@adelacreative]

@@yohenson yes of course, most of us would keep things like these to ourselves. To evolve and grow we have to go through such moments I guess :) Takes lots of courage to leave a place like that!

[@cesarcampos8746]

@@SnuubScadoob anybody that thinks there's anything creative about gaming at large is decieved, oh wooow look at average ass dragon and iraq soldier guy, wooow. Something like dark souls or minster hunter are some of the few places where creative design is going on.

[@BigDomski]

This podcast has grown so much since the first episode. Although you guys are stuck at home now, both of you seem super comfortable in this. I would be surprised if other artists aren't trying to get on this podcast 😆

[@CfromJ]

I really appreciate the very honest insightful info as someone that has working at riot on their bcket list, very VERY fuckin appreciated.

[@eilmlilm2490]

Wow, what grand character of this young man, Scott Flanders. Good for him to become the man he has become. We need more men like him and Stan and Marshall.

[@Changetheling]

Excellent interview. Stan's questions were on point and the fact that you allowed the guy to talk about his feelings and thoughts is one if not the most needed injections of manning up the contemporary emerging artist field needs more of. And of course Marshall always shining with everything he says, even when silently listening to others. Mad respect to Scott for taking the steps of being a man's man and for creating the proper environment to reclaim those places for himself and the next generations of young artists in search of their mentors. Thank you very much for this episode!! Best podcast for real artists so far!

[@leonylopez4604]

I like the hammerman sculpture. I understand some artists don´t want to be like with a false sense of identity, they don´t want to be recognized, and to see their names in a pedestal. Instead, they want to love what they do in art. I like the human anatomy, but I think I would love to paint people live, seated on a chair, and laugh with a caricature done by me.

[@willheydecker6179]

What an incredible goddamn podcast

[@mikkelmelby]

Shapecarver with amazing reflections! thanks for sharing :)

[@AmmarYaqoub1020]

I love the Thumbnails of these interviews though

[@katakana-kun2122]

8:13 the reason why I work in the games industry in Japan.

[@skjaldulfr]

Riot time sounds awesome. I want Riot time!

[@wellington66440]

I know marshall and stan are being classy and all by letting this guy talk his gut out but I missed a bigger participation from the dynamic duo in this one.

[@teo4evermj]

Same! It's cool that they'll have guests, but I hope they won't stop doing episodes with just the two of them

[@definitelynotnick2454]

The mark of a good interviewer is to guide the guest to do just that. That's what most of the successful longform guest podcasts do.

[@joaopaints]

That is kinda what they're supposed to do when there's a guest

[@aeoligarlic4024]

That's what they always do when they have guests and that's their point

[@__-fi6xg]

Marshal is just majestic.

[@navydot2554]

No one is FORCED to work in a company. Working for a company and not care about what they’re doing is really distasteful. Even if you have your own vision you’ll end up hiring people to help you achieve it. My work ethics is as long as i chose to work for someone and get paid for it i will respect their vision and do my work with passion. Riot was mentioned here a lot but all i got was that they’re really taking good care of their employees and offering a positive environment.

[@chayemor]

It would be awesome if you could invite any of these artists over! ;) Mingjue Helen Chen Yingjue Linda Chen Karla Ortiz Elena and Olivia Ceballos (elioli) Candice Messado Oksana Kerro Chelsea Blecha Cathleen McAllister Anya Jo Elvidge Allison Perry TB Choi

[@yobeenocreative6984]

Much of this is identical to my experiences in the games industry. Great podcast, as always!

[@Quillet1992]

what middle class job is not about sitting on a corner in front of a pc all day?

[@magni319]

Honestly this was very little about the industry and almost everything about Scott Flanders's life thoughts.

[@Billy.Bacsko]

I disagree, respectfully. Every story of a person from an industry is a reflection of said industry. Even though many may differ.

[@magni319]

@@Billy.Bacsko yeah, but from that podcast I expect somewhat practical information - what art styles are sought after, how to make a portfolio, how to apply, how to talk on interviews and so on - not some vague personal thoughts about life.

[@ZalvaTionZ]

@@magni319 There's plenty of that information available elsewhere where as discussion like this should be brought more to the front.

[@apehunter1]

@@magni319 there has to be conversations like this where you want to connect with the guys speaking... not everything has to be informal or educational... I personnally enjoyed this conversation very much since I can relate. I am at a similar position and maybe not all the content is for you

[@the_Googie]

@@magni319 this is the wrong place for that. What art style is sought after? Depends on the job. How to make a portfolio? Depends on the job. How to apply? Dude, did you ever have a job?. These are A - Googleable questions, and B - things that are not subject about this podcast. Its just a window into the individual experience of one worker in the industry. He cant speak for all.

[@thejakobistable]

I get Scotts take on the left artists in the gaming industry. I started following a lot of great artists because of their work on twitter and my twitter timeline changed rapidly into non stop trump and conservative bashing. I am from EU and not a conservative at all, neither a trump fan but that annoyed me after 3 weeks.

[@corruptqc8334]

In america the center seems non existent. you either right or left..

[@sambrook3010]

Yeah I deleted my twitter when my feed became non stop retweeting of antifa/blm propaganda. There are a lot of dishonest people out there that will attack people, and start the clip out of context to paint themselves as the victims rather than the perpetrators. I spent so much energy debunking all these viral videos coming out recently and it was just not worth the effort at all, because even when you can show for a fact 80% of what they retweet is blatantly false they will continue to believe whatever they see at face value sadly.

[@psychiccrocodile3679]

Guess what else is annoying? Sexism and racism, non inclusivity. I totally get your perspective, cancel culture is awful, but the other side is much more harmful. It's just now white dudes are realizing their privilege.

[@zszyTW]

@@psychiccrocodile3679 There's no white privelage or racism problem in American, you white people have lived in such a bubble for so long you invent problems for yourselves.

[@puma21puma21]

@@psychiccrocodile3679 you look white to me? Somehow it falls only on white dudes to realise their privilege?

[@brushonfire8800]

I put off watching this episode for a long time thinking it was going to be the same old drink the koolaid video game industry talk...but I was wrong it was great. These are feelings ive had as someone on the outside getting a look in from many different experiences and directions and its nice to hear that all my informed guesses weren't wrong. I hope you will have more guests who can talk about the experiences leaving big business in the art world in the future.

[@Jahsee65]

Aww, you love your son sooooo much!!🥺😍

[@leonylopez4604]

That painting is very sweet and scary at the same time...It looks like something happened to the parents of the child. I like it.

[@WaSiLLy63]

Humans are soooo fascinating! Loved listening and hearing, watching and dreaming! Thank you Scott for sharing the stories of your life. I sensed wonderful amount of strength in you! God bless you! As He certainly has. :)

[@ajajj4589]

This was so inspiring. Thank you, Scott, for being so real! I have enjoyed your art for a while, but now I am impressed with you as a person. I appreciated the honesty in terms of your journey. Hearing you discuss the reasons for changing your professional focus was inspiring. I was touched by your willingness to sacrifice for your son--excellent priorities. I am also impressed with your work ethic and your ability to overcome fear and step into a new career path. You definitely have leadership qualities. I look forward to seeing more great work from you. I will be sharing your inspiring story with my students and friends.

[@seb-lobo4]

Thank you for this video, super interesting stuff!!!

[@krzysztofmathews738]

Excellent and informative interview. Definitely worth watching.

[@Garl_Vinland]

It's eye opening to hear about certain aspects from the gaming industry today; I want to know more about this "liberal" bias that was mentioned, because I've heard that the industry has become rather cultish with its view points, while being full of cancel culture these days-yet at the same time, you got these weirdos like Noah Bradley who are also running around?

[@solarmkarus2845]

Why is noah bradley a weirdo? I'm out of the loop.

[@Garl_Vinland]

@@solarmkarus2845 He was handsy with women co-workers in the field and during parties. Made a public apology on Twitter and Wizards of the Coast fired him, essentially he got canceled. But this doesn't begin or end with him, I find a lot of the higher ups also display this behavior, but at the same time, you got this incredibly strict PC culture working in the field, and will chastise anyone that doesn't prescribe to certain ideologies. Those same people who enforce this, do things that Noah Bradley did. It's weird.

[@SmilingImp]

the "liberal bias" is that theres a lot of women & gay people & poc in the art industry and some dudes have a hard time not being an asshole about that

[@Garl_Vinland]

@@SmilingImp But the point is it's all surface level. The dudes at the top are still making the rules, but the rules dont affect them, instead its used as a kind of culling tool to weed out mavericks as well as any asshole types. But the assholes still run the show.

[@psychiccrocodile3679]

Liberal bias vs sexism and racism etc... the white privileged dudes are affected by the liberal bias, but everyone else is affected by the other side. So, you're gonna hear more about liberal bias because more white dudes are in the arena.

[@zachariasstarlid4254]

Fantastic video!

[@shawndinhstephens]

Please bring Scott on more often

[@tedpogo1544]

That was an awesome interview.

[@peterjacksonanton4814]

Haha when he talks about odd jobs, living with parents, and making less than 15,000 a year, that's where I am right now! Hopefully only a year or two before I can make a living though

[@elsewherebruh]

What odd jobs in particular?😆

[@dlseller]

@ 41:00 What Scott is articulating is the perfect descripting of Failing Upward in the corporate world. It doesn't happen in only the art world, unfortunately.

[@FacundoComix]

This guy gets it. No artsy fartsy bs. I'll be looking his stuff closely.

[@PauloRuvalcaba]

Great interview!

[@SnuubScadoob]

The gaming industry today is absolutely horrendous and broken. You constantly hear stories of abuse, of people being overworked, threatened, laid off, fired, harassed... the list goes on. DO NOT get a job in the gaming industry of today.

[@teo4evermj]

Yeah, I wonder which creative industry is still decent nowadays..

[@stevebennett2447]

@@p_dusty5451 If you understand who you are and know your core values it's much easier to know what to accept, what to decline and what compromises to make. Unfortunately to get to know them might take a lot of testing with quite a bit of disappointment and frustration on the way. That's why I applaud this conversation, because becoming an artist of any sort is not just "here's what you need to do" but seeking an unique path that works just for you. And navigating by compliments is not the way, you can get good at, even praised and known for something you ultimately dislike.

[@MaTTheWish]

Honestly, I feel like this is every industry. It is the capitalist model in general.

[@SnuubScadoob]

@@MaTTheWish I hear ya! It certainly does feel that way!

[@leveledfeats]

I completely agree. It's why I've set out on doing my own stuff

[@celestialdischarge7754]

Does anyone have any recommendations for easy jobs that give you total creative freedom? For awhile I was working overnights in security and it was perfect but I had to stop to focus on my physical and mental health. Something that’s got lots of hours with at least half of them available to create that runs in the day time is what I’m shooting for.

[@camy_spirit5360]

Last minute: 36:24

[@zaphill4346]

Question: how do you know if you doing 100% but there's no feedback available?

[@GITAHxgCoo]

you're not

[@natreese]

Favorite episode so far, so interesting.

[@stedilorenzo]

I love this guy!

[@josh-yl7li]

@Draftsmen please interview Jeff watts please!

[@antonioblanco3086]

Amazing podcast! I hope that someday you will invite Court Jones

[@LOLW]

This guy is so cool

[@mkAYY825]

30 minutes in and im wondering....does this dude like anything?

[@longjohn7992]

Inspiring I draw a lot and paint and I’m into art and quintessentially I’m also making a game Btw Mr Vandruff if you’re interested we actually need someone who has such soothing voice and good art direction.

[@KoongYe]

I am sure I am gonna hear something depressing.

[@vllad74]

I will be honesh here. Artists working in the game industry are treated as slaves - all is set up in such a clever way that they don't even realise it. I had never applied to work in the game industry for that reason.

[@NoblesseObligedCP]

You can tell Scott likes Jordan Peterson in the way he speaks.

[@boram1760]

yeah and that's the part that is off putting for me. Still, I'm very happy he came into his own and is pushing forward.