What Caused Flight 603 To Receive False Computer Readings? | Flying Blind | Mayday: Air Disaster

[@MaydayAirDisaster]

Do you think the crash was due to similar cases?

[@biggusdoggus5909]

Flying is very unforgiving of even the slightest errors. And even with double and triple backups there will always be some double and triple failures. JMHO Best you can do is best you can do.

[@robertstack2144]

No, the crash was due to complacency

[@yuddinwarri6824]

@@robertstack2144 and lazy bean eaters

[@cesardavrieux3767]

Ninguna aeronave despegará si no tiene una indicación de Velocidad (la altura se verá a medida que ascienda) Hay algunas velocidades que se DEBEN obtener (y respetar) cuando se está haciendo la carrera de despegue y antes de la V1 (V uno) se DEBE abortar el despegue (reject) si no se cumplen estas premisas.

[@marigeobrien]

It wasn't DUE to similar cases. It was due to a lack of understanding of the end result, despite the previous crash in similar circumstances. It was due to negligence on the part of the foreman, and therefore the airline, who did not train or oversee the maintenance workers properly. Probably because he and they were not paid enough for their efforts. It's horrible that one lowly worker became the corporation's sacrificial lamb. And, because this was a plane with a new "computer guided system" it's also a testament to the poor job any AI system can do when it isn't programmed properly. With all the warnings going off, it's a pity there was not a warning that said, "air duct blocked."

[@sophiepaterson7444]

My heart goes out to that investigator who did his job despite his great personal loss. Good man.

[@nerysghemor5781]

It really sucks. 🙁 My question is, in the US would a relative be allowed to do the investigation? I am guessing this guy must have a really small team to still have gotten stuck with that anyway. 😢

[@georgiak.7409]

At what part of the video

[@existenceispainforameeseeks]

I know…absolutely incredibly devastating 😞 I can’t even fathom how difficult it was to investigate the loss of his nephew!

[@existenceispainforameeseeks]

@@nerysghemor5781 our investigators commemorated his efforts and said he was incredibly professional.

[@N1Zer0]

@@georgiak.7409 Its the guy with the tie and the suit with a plant background outdoors.

[@dreamweaver961]

I was a mechanic in the Air Force. Every time I covered the pito tubes with anything other than the normal protection covers I would write it up in the forms with a red X, a plane cant fly with a red X in the forms and has to be signed off by a supervisor. At first he was mad at me because it wasn't SOP but I explained to him the it takes us 5 minutes to correct the issue on the ground it would take the pilots the rest of their lives to realize what was wrong once in the air.

[@mjcarmichael1]

Awesome dude.

[@dreamweaver961]

@@mjcarmichael1 Nah, I just didn't trust myself.

[@Camie2030]

@@dreamweaver961 Better to be safe than sorry.

[@MsBluestsky]

Well done!

[@N1Zer0]

Dude! You need to be promoted!

[@RosyRosie42]

Imagine driving down the highway at night, no other cars around, with your foot on the breaks… but your car is telling you you’re accelerating to 200MPH, in reverse, and your engine is cold. So many conflicting warnings, you don’t know what to believe, and you have no cars/lights/landmarks around you as a frame of reference. How terrified those poor pilots must have been 💔

[@Andyroo2912]

Do planes not have emergency floodlights they can switch on in such a scenario? It seems like it would be better than nothing for identifying terrain in the dark

[@Narrowcros]

Still its less scary with a car, at least your on the ground and can find a possible way out. Planes are usually safer but when they go wrong boy do they go wrong

[@terryKessler42719]

In a car you’re on land. Pull the emergency brake, pull over into trees or hit a tree. There are ways to do this. In a plane, there’s no pulling over. Several years ago my gas pedal stuck and I speeded up. I was on land. I pulled the emergency brake and removed the key. I ended up hitting a telephone pole, but was unharmed.

[@lynskyrd]

@@Andyroo2912 I was thinking the same thing but when you are told by the ground people that you're at 9700 feet- even if there were flood lights- why turn them on? but then again- the ground proximity warning came on- I suppose strong lights would help??? As far as the ATC 'confirming' their altitude- what good does confirmation make if the information is coming from the problem source. Isn't there a cross-reference way to determine a plane's altitude using radar or GPS or something other than the plane's cockpit instruments... which were plugged up with $.05 worth of tape.

[@yeehaw5741]

@@Andyroo2912 unfortunately, having floodlights on the outside of the plane on the fuselage will cause a unbalance in the aerodynamics of the plane. and having to carve a couple holes in the body of the plane to house these floodlights may also cause a decrease in the structural strength of the frame of the aircraft. this unfortunate accident wouldnt have happened in the day, so although i agree they should install strong lights, i dont think it is possible.

[@jameswest8280]

Imagine finding out you're mistake was responsible for so many lives lost. I don't think I could handle the guilt.

[@TommyCrosby]

If you ever put tape on a plane that shouldn't be there for operation, the tape should be bright neon fluo reflective orange that scream I SHOULDN'T BE THERE!

[@single55]

A tail on the tape should hang to the ground .then the pilots walk around before flight wouldn't miss it.

[@Jasonrotfl]

I believe the CORRECT tape is a high visibility tape. Either this flight or the other at the end, the cleaners actually used duct tape that wasnt visible from the ground.

[@xonx209]

Put some red and green LEDs inside the port so the inspector can see them if the port is not covered. Don't even need a flashlight.

[@single55]

@@xonx209 great idea

[@ronniewall1481]

THEY MAKE COVERS. MANAGEMENT LIKES TO CUT CORNERS.

[@KDu400]

Imagine how that maintenance worker feels. Holy crap, I can’t even.

[@sabrina.natalie]

I know… 💔 The poor guy made an honest mistake, and I can’t even fathom the trauma, guilt, and shame that he has to live with as a result of this.

[@humanbeing2420]

You need redundant systems to check and recheck the aircraft to ensure that the worker making minimum wage isn’t the guy responsible.

[@andrewtaylor940]

@@humanbeing2420 Part of the problem with seeking to "idiot proof" something is you will always find a bigger idiot. In this case Boeing had specified not to use Duct Tape to cover the ports in their maintenance manuals. In part because it becomes invisible against the aircraft. This was a bare metal silver paint job. It was very difficult to spot the tape from the ground.

[@cremebrulee4759]

@@humanbeing2420 They said in the video that there was at least one inspection that was supposed to take place by a supervisor after the work was done. I think in fact they were supposed to be too inspections, but neither one of them took place. I don't especially blame the pilot for not seeing it, because of how high up it is, plus it was night, plus the tape they used would not have stood out from the paint on the plane.

[@Doriesep6622]

@@andrewtaylor940 They are not supposed to use silver duct tape but instead orange or a different color. Then a guy inspects the washers's work, then the pilot is supposed to make a walk around the plane to make sure everything is in order. However it was at night

[@twilightpurpleglow]

Tape removal; not done Maintenance Inspection; not done Supervisor inspection; not done Pilot walk around; done "at night" Plane crashed into the ocean; done Lessons learned. RIP all souls on AeroPeru Flight 603

[@travisbickle4360]

The tape was suppose to be orange color so it can easily be spotted but they used black so pilot could never see it at night

[@patrickflohe7427]

@@travisbickle4360 They should’ve had a steamer on the tape, so it couldn’t be missed.

[@happywwyy]

Ok but like i cant stop watching these videos (Im becoming more and more of an aviation geek)

[@Austden]

Same

[@Interdictiondeltawing]

I’m already an avgeek

[@RacinZilla003]

ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US

[@59Schnauzermom]

Same for me, and the crazy thing is I fly at least 6 times a month

[@MollyMarine]

Same 😂

[@Bane_Diesel]

I think an interesting study would be to have other captains inspect an aircraft in the same situation and not tell them what is taped over or why they are testing them and see if the crews preflight inspection is taken rigorously enough to find the same issues.

[@dimitrageorgiadi5087]

The pilot stating that he would fly the plane and not go back,is talking safely from his office. With indicators giving false info left, right and center ,how can anyone know how they would react in any given circumstance. Hindsight is 20/20.

[@KwakuAddoDanquah]

@@dimitrageorgiadi5087 exactly. I also had a similar issue with that statement. Imagine receiving a stall warning and an overspeed warning at the same time.

[@mlopez3567]

You can either become more fearful to fly watching this documentaries or at least having a better understanding of things makes you cope with those fears a little better because I know that these accidents, although tragic, made flying safer now days. And Now at least I know that even if the plane crashes, there's a slight chance of survival like in many of these cases. Anyway, very interesting and very intriguing at times and the narrator is just on point with the way he narrates every episode. I really enjoy this show.

[@bogdan12275]

For me it’s the first one. Watching these sort of documentaries for 10years has given me unlimited reasons as to why i would never step in an airplane. I’m so terrified of them that at least a couple of times per month i’m having nightmares like boarding on a plane and crashing, planes crashing into my home or just planes crashing near me. Met someone i never knew before , an old “medium” / “psychic” lady , gave her my birth date and this sorts of stuff and she told me right away that my eyes look familiar , that i was “her pilot”. I’m 100% sure i had something to do with planes in a past life. Also did some sort of meditation/mind relaxing exercise that was supposed to give me an idea about a past life. I don’t remember perfectly, but it was a large ship in the ocean and a plane. I was either on the ship, getting killed by an approaching plane (kamikaze) or i was the one piloting the plane and getting shot down and crashing in the ocean. Either way, something involving a plane.

[@marigeobrien]

@@bogdan12275 Yes, to some extent I agree with you. It seems like many of the causes are some small thing that was overlooked. We can never foresee all those possibilities. But... just remember that thousands of planes take off and land every day without incident. If you watch this too much it distorts the likelihood of anything happening. Still, I would not watch this show while my son went on vacation (by plane) last week. LOL! And I made him text me when he landed.

[@kelseyvick8567]

I recently began skydiving and started watching aviation videos, now I am HOOKED!

[@philbirk]

My brother was flying his airplane one day with a plugged up pitot tube (a bug flew right in there). He figured it out pretty quickly and landed uneventfully. He was over land during the day so not an apples to apples comparison for sure. I think it is very important for pilots to REALLY understand how their airplane works. Had these guys suspected a plugged static port and understood how the altitude encoder and transponder work they would have known that the ATC altitude was worthless. The closer they got to the ocean the better their airspeed indication because the pressure trapped in the static system was fairly close to sea-level. All that said, these pilots had their hands full. Over the ocean at night is NO JOKE. They were in a very stressful situation with conflicting information and that is a really difficult position to be in.

[@brigidtheirish]

And for controllers to know where radar data comes from. A big part of the problem here was that the altitude the controller was giving the pilots came from the plane rather than an independent source.

[@allenkemp3124]

I wonder how the actors feel about reciting a deceased person's last words as they fought to stay alive.

[@davido3026]

They were actors!!

[@racheld5774]

I feel like I’m able to conduct a preflight walk around after binging all these videos. “Ma’am?” “I’m inspecting the PITOT tubes. Thanks.”

[@kristinaburgess9665]

EXACTLY.. After watching ao many tragic videos. I tell everyone i know ,the #1 rule when your on your flight, is to LEAVE your seatbelt on the WHOLE time.. (btw i know that had nothing to do with this flight)

[@a_goblue2023]

How can you blame the manufacturer, that lawyer clearer has no knowledge of aeronautics and how planes function, if a repair is made improperly by maintenance and an accident occurs it’s not the fault of the manufacturer, similarly if maintenance mistakingly leaves tape over ports that shouldn’t have been taped in the first place the only liability is in the person and crew that didn’t properly prepare the aircraft for flight. It’s so tragic people died because of someone’s stupidity, RIP to the lost 😞

[@andrewtaylor940]

This particular show, “Mayday”, seems to be very heavily influenced by the Trial Lawyers industry. For example pretty much everything they present from the Avianca crash on Long Island comes from Avianca’s lawyer. And about 60% of what they present is bullshit designed to shift blame from the company/pilots to the ATC’s. This one is trying to shift blame onto Boeing, which has deeper pockets than the maintenance company or airline.

[@Madhouse_Media]

Who's pockets are deeper? That's all a lawyer is going to note.

[@orioledtd]

He is a rake in a shed full of machetes.

[@travisbickle4360]

The best part is Boeing didn't learn anything from this and designed 737 Max with just one valve for sensors.

[@jimklein5491]

Seriously, screw that guy. He chased the money and not the problem.

[@auntiealias957]

Thanks for the video. It was cruel to imprison the cleaner, especially when other workers after him failed in their duty to check the pitot-static ports. Feelings of guilt would be punishment enough.

[@brigidtheirish]

I've noticed this is a pattern with episodes covering South American crashes. The authorities seem to feel a need to criminally punish *someone* for a crash when that's counter productive to making future flights safer. May be a hold over from the days of frequently changing military dictatorships when the one method leaders understood for calming civilian unrest was harsh punishments for broadly defined crimes.

[@MaydayAirDisaster]

Want to watch part 1? Watch it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYObqnRtgt1ooLs

[@Middle_fingers_9]

Someone forgot to remove the tape and may they rest in peace ❤🙏

[@jaminova_1969]

Wow! I just assumed that the Flight Crew and Ground crews were careful and knew what they were doing!

[@laurendoe168]

This reminds me of an old Net Geo series - Seconds From Disaster

[@domiewayne688]

I like the fact that in this accident the Investigators defennded the pilot

[@badmonkey2222]

How many accidents have happened because of blocked static ports and pitot tubes?!??!, mud dauber nests, tape, several because of tape that I know of. How that can be overlooked on a pre-flight by an aircrew even if the maintenance screwed up and didn't remove it is beyond me, that is a crucial piece of instrumentation that must be kept clear.

[@TiaKatt]

The maintenance worker used Duct Tape despite clear instructions by Boeing not to do so, specifically *because* that stuff is invisible against an Aircraft whose body is sitting 15+ feet off the ground. The pilot never had a chance to see the problem on his pre-flight check.

[@brigidtheirish]

Because the tape was nearly the same color as the hull and the pilots were doing their walk around *at night.* As TiaKatt said, they didn't have a chance. Worse, even if the tape had been removed, there could've been adhesive residue that would've messed with the sensors and been completely invisible even during the day. Not to mention that the pilots are the *third* people checking for this sort of thing. The maintenance worker I can almost give a pass because they're often pressured to get the job done in a rush with insufficient resources. The inspector's entire *job* is checking for mistakes. The airport might as well have not had a supervisor at all that day because the guy selected as a substitute had zero training in the position. The pilots were completely in the dark, literally and figuratively.

[@badmonkey2222]

@@brigidtheirish I mean I understand all of that my dad was a pilot and I learned how to fly before I was a teenager but I just cringe every time I hear of this causing an accident because it just shouldn't happen regardless of the color of the tape it should be checked by hand.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@badmonkey2222 You *do* realize that these ports are *15 feet* above the pilot's head when he's standing on the tarmac, right? You want him to pull over a ladder to check both sides *in the dark?*

[@badmonkey2222]

@@brigidtheirish yeah if that's what it takes to be safe, people's lives are in their hands and if it takes either that or having a maintenance guy come out with a pilot standing right there with a ladder and check every one of them. There's even been cases where mud daubers have built their nest inside of them there's several countries like Ghana and some African countries where that's a huge problem they have to check them constantly. Whatever it takes to be safe.

[@MollyMarine]

I understand competition but to not exchange safety information? That is horrific & a crime

[@LotusLady9]

Thank you🌞 Very tragic

[@ysmithriley]

Ummm, what do you mean A SMALL OVERSIGHT? EVERYONE DIED! A DEADLY OVERSIGHT sounds more accurate.

[@PepekBezlepek]

the oversight itself was small, but the consequences were huge .. I think they said it right.

[@ilovesudan]

Complete failure of training and knowledge on the part of the pilots and ATC. The problem here is that no one understood the source of information they were recieving. The pilots should have known that errors in altitude and speed measurements are related since they both come from the pitot-static system. The ground proximity warning system is a separate system altogether. Given that conflicting speed measurements were being reported, the pilots should narrowed the source of the error to the pitot-static system, and therefore trusted the ground proximity warning since it is a separate system. Also, neither the pilots nor the air traffic controllers understood that the altitude information on the ATC display came from the plane. The air traffic controller at least should have known the basics of how his instruments work.

[@PepekBezlepek]

my exact thoughts! how come the controller heard all that confusion in the cockpit and didn't know his data was coming from the airplane? that is just baffling. Of course the ATC didn't cause the crash ... but it REALLY added to the confusion imo, maybe adding the last straw, as they seemingly independently confirmed incorrect data.

[@richardcline1337]

ilovesudan, you have to remember also what part of the world this happened in. NOT every country takes things as seriously as we do in the US. Attitudes are much more lax and seemingly uncaring in many parts of the world. How many planes have crashed because of the god-pilot complex based NOT on cockpit edicate but on social norms?

[@Sunny-hc1bf]

There had been multiple accident with the static pitot system. We all know human makes errors, so why not just take it out of the equation. Install multiple pitot static systems with separated electrical system that can open and close the system electrically from the cockpit.

[@MrJr1976]

I've always found the one guy's take very...interesting. Boeing specifically put a gigantic sign to NOT do something. Just because a maintenance worker specifically and knowingly does something they aren't supposed to do, then the manufacturer is responsible? How does that work?

[@WizzRacing]

Because Boeing at the time. Wanted to have all their maintenance done overseas.. Mainly Communist China.. So they could save money. It always come down to money and cheap labor..

[@MrJr1976]

@@WizzRacing This wasn't maintenance. This was cleaning

[@WizzRacing]

@@MrJr1976 This was Maintenance..Anytime you board or touch a plane. It's Maintenance.. Thank You

[@MrJr1976]

@@WizzRacing Ok. Washing a plane doesn't take a genius to do. You don't take a plane out of service to freaking wash the outside.

[@rdjimenez3923]

All flights that have maintenance performed have a supervisor for maintenance and quality assurance personal to ensure the maintenance was done per procedure and performed properly ensuring the safe operation and that proper procedures were followed to avoid a disaster. A proper investigation would have all data necessary to identify where, who, what and when IDENTIFYING THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY THAT this DISASTER CAUSING ERROR. A life isn't replaceable nor has a monetary value. Life is meant to be PROTECTED AT ALL COST. PROFITS DO NOT DICTATE WHO LIVES OR DIES. COORPORATIONS HAVE FUNDS TO PROTECT THEIR PROFITS TAINTING THE TRUE REASONS AND THOSE AT FAULT FOR A DISASTER.

[@jackmehoff_6ixty9]

R.I.P to every single soul who has lost their lives in such a tragic way such as this… 😔🙏🏻 But on a SERIOUS note, this is like the 5th or 6th video I’ve seen in the last few weeks that these “Pito” tubes have caused tragic/ fatal accidents… Why is there no redundant systems for this?! I know now that the systems don’t go off of strictly the pilots pito tube, like it once was, but why can’t we use simple gps to monitor speed?! Or use similar systems that are & have been since day one damn near, in our every day motor vehicles?! This is very unfortunate, we need to install better technology & more redundant systems in aircrafts that are flying at over 500mph, at 30,000 feet in the sky, with sometimes HUNDREDS of HUMAN LIVES AT STAKE! These huge airliners are to fkn greedy to ground their plans for more then an hour to actually revamp & make their aircrafts more safer, it’s fkn sad, but they dgaf, them, along w their families, get to fly private at any given moment they want to, so they don’t have to worry about things such as HUMAN SAFETY, smfh.

[@erichusmann5145]

Question: Why not use GPS to monitor speed? Answer: GPS does not measure AIR speed, it measures GROUND speed. Ground speed is the speed the aircraft travels over the ground; it's also the speed your car travels (usually measured at the wheels for cars, which is not something you can do on airliners). Air speed is the speed of the air over the airplane, or the airplane through the air. As an example of the difference, mount a anenometer (wind speed gauge for a weather station) to your car. Drive a straight stretch of road at a constant speed, first upwind, then downwind. Look at the readings. Let's say your car is doing a constant 40 mph, and the wind is a constant 10 mph. The upwind reading will be 50 mph... the downwind will be 30 mph. Crosswind maneuvers will be between 30 and 50 depending on angle. Back to the question: The suggestion is to use a ground speed measure to measure air speed. Can this be done at all? Well, yes, it can. But, technologically, it's going to be very difficult without a pitot tube or something similar. You need to detect the existing wind speed and direction (solved, see also "weather balloon" and I think there might be some other methods). You need to convey the information to the airplane (solved, see radios). And you need to know the plane's location and ground speed (solved, see GPS). The catch is that that first item needs to be nearly real-time, and it usually isn't. On top of which you need to get it to the plane quickly and then do the math to add/subtract airspeed from ground speed--lag speed can be killer. So the answer is "yes, but the technology to do so isn't at the required level yet." So, what's our option? The Pitot tube, which is extremely simple, older than most aircraft, and, if it isn't covered or blocked, extremely reliable. It works on small aircraft or large. You can put a LOT of them on the aircraft if you want to--just a matter of how many tubes and holes. After re-checking the equations involved, a middle-school student could probably solve the Pitot formula if given the numbers (the computer's just faster). Also note, at the end of the video: There hasn't been a major loss of aircraft due to Pitot tube issues in about 25 years. Once they stopped the pattern of incidents, Pitot tubes went back to being just a simple tube and port on an aircraft.

[@PeterSmith-bj4ml]

The same thing happened on 18 July 2018, when a Malaysia Airlines (everything bad happens to Malaysia Airlines) Airbus A330, 9M-MTK, took off from Brisbane, Australia with pitots covered. Amazingly there was security camera footage showing the captain doing his pre flight walkabout using a torch (flashlight) and missing the pitot cover cords hanging down in front of him. A flight engineer also had noticed earlier but forgot to tell the crew. The plane took off on a moonless night and had the same problems as this flight but there was an override system that they used to give them basic navigation parameters and they returned safely to Brisbane after 30 minutes of considerable terror.

[@patrickflohe7427]

Sad that they didn’t even show a 757 when they kept showing static ports on the underside of a wing....no Boeing aircraft has static ports on the underside of the wing. It should’ve been visible from the ground with a flashlight, even with duct tape on it. When releasing an aircraft, you ALWAYS look in pitot probes, and at the holes of the static ports....PARTICULARLY after maintenance, and ESPECIALLY after it has been washed. I’ve inspected many aircraft prior to flight, and released many. That said, duct tape should never have been used, and tape residue shouldn’t be able to come in contact with the ports or probes themselves. Either put some of the tape over the sticky side so it doesn’t touch the actual ports, or tape plastic over the ports, and put a “Remove Before Flight” streamer, so it couldn’t be missed. Sooooo sad, as it was so preventable. The probes and ports are absolutely critical on an aircraft. It saddens me that this wasn’t heavily emphasized in training. It wasn’t just a simple mistake. We all make mistakes, but it wasn’t just one guy. That’s why it was set-up to have multiple sets of eyes on it. It was also the the pilot, the person who was supposed to inspect it, etc. There were three sets of eyes, and they all missed it. To blame Boeing is ridiculous. This could happen on any aircraft. If you sue Boeing, you have to sue every single aircraft manufacturer. The blame is on Aero Peru, and that is all.

[@vincentbezzt3815]

These videos got me to pick up my drone again and my new dream job is to be a commercial pilot.

[@Scratchingforcash]

I always wondered why there isn’t an either electric or manual cabled pin that can clear out the pitot tube. There are many reasons that tube could plug up. Bee nest, hornets, mud wasps dirt or grime and a cabled pin/rod could easily clean that out by the pilot/co pilot

[@jamesstreet856]

That's true. There was, in fact, a plane that had been sitting for a couple of weeks and the workers DIDN'T put tape over the pitot tube and mud dobbers got in it and dobbed it full of mud and when it dried it stopped up the tube. I can't remember if that particular plane crashed though.

[@Kait-tee]

​@@jamesstreet856bergen 301. It crashed w/ no survivors

[@brigidtheirish]

Probably because it'd have to be inside the pitot tube if it's activated from the cockpit, thus messing with the airflow. Theoretically, something could be designed to come out of the wall and then push debris out, but that would require making the pitot tubes a lot bulkier, which could mess with the aerodynamics of the aircraft. Not to mention all the moving parts that debris could get stuck in and would require regular maintenance. Finally, unless you want 'clearing pitot tubes' to be added to the pre-flight checklist, the pilots would have to know that's the problem. Making checklists longer and more complicated has also contributed to fatal accidents. Pilots have so much to keep track of that most safety features developed in the last few decades have revolved around *reducing* that load. Granted, some of those features have taken too much control away from pilots, though most problems revolve around communication with the pilots not being programmed in. Like, it'd be really nice if the autopilot *said* that it had disengaged horizontal control when the Aeroflot 593 pilot's kid pushed the stick too far.

[@algermom1]

Details matter... and tragically so in these cases. Most all of us can learn to be more attentive to inspecting for details.

[@putjesusfirst9217]

This is just awful a piece of tape, killed so many people.

[@RodknockRhett]

Of all of the warnings, the low terrain warning should never be ignored. Climb as long as ATC verifies you’re clear to.

[@natehill8069]

When I was in high school, I washed airplanes to pay for flying lessons (making about 6x minimum wage equivalent in lessons). The very first thing they told me when the showed me how to do it was "always cover the pitot/static parts before washing and _ALWAYS MAKE SURE THEY ARE UNCOVERED WHEN YOU ARE DONE_!!!"

[@lanacampbell-moore4549]

Thanks for sharing

[@natehill8069]

If I had GPWS warnings, I would prioritize that over the other warnings because that is a dedicated system that has no other function.

[@daddybearlv]

I don’t know about Aero Peru… but, with US carriers, there is a mandatory speed check at 80 knots. If these pilots were not seeing appropriate airspeed by V1, they should have done an emergency stop.

[@SiblingCreature]

Except that they did see valid airspeed readings during the takeoff roll, and they did do the V1 call-out before rotation. The airspeed indicator was alive, and at airport ground level it would have been accurate. Once they took off however, the difference in pressure between the air trapped behind the tape and outside air would have caused the accuracy of the indicated airspeed to vary proportionally to the actual altitude of the aircraft.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Sadly, had they been able turned off their transponder, the ATC could have given them a crude but relatively accurate altitude.

[@fawziekefli2273]

They must have been able to; the transponder for MH370 was turned off. But that would never have occurred to them.

[@popaybugi9443]

I think that air france flight had also speed pit issues

[@susanmoore7229]

How frightening is it that the pilot actually was right about ground crew screwed something up on their plane. Forgetting to actually remove paper from a pitot tube is unthinkable. I understand clogging from ice, but not this.

[@reneesantiago6496]

Another great example as to why the airline industry SHOULD NEVER use Affirmative Action when hiring from the mechanics to pilots!

[@altus1226]

With so many planes in this series having had pito tube blockages, I don't see why they don't have a built in pressurizer to test and debug their feedback; if it is possible for a small device with X flow manages to change pressure by more than Y amount, the tubes are blocked and detected via a real-time check that can be done on runway or in-flight. How is this not standard? This seems to be a design failure, no amount of procedural checks will fix that.

[@mortenguld3076]

Nothing wrong with the pitot tubes on this aircraft.

[@altus1226]

@@mortenguld3076 That is correct, it was the static ports that were blocked, which is part of the same system and could be checked via the same test.

[@claudiuspulcher2440]

It's understandable how the crew got so confused. But it seems like very poor decision-making to try and land with all of that going on instead of trying to gain altitude and time to figure things out. Shame that the tower didn't understand he was giving erroneous readings right back to them.

[@travisbickle4360]

They have no idea which attitude they are in. If they get too high they will stall. Also they were overwhelmed by incorrect readings and warnings.

[@fawziekefli2273]

According to their instruments, they had plenty of altitude. And the ATC had no idea that that the information was erroneous.

[@brigidtheirish]

How are you supposed to figure things out when the entire airplane is screaming at you? Plus, they thought they had more than enough altitude. The problem was figuring out how to safely land before something *else* went wrong. Unfortunately, that "something else" happened before they could.

[@ushiocheng]

I am not in the aviation industry but I can see what should have been done. GPS and INS can act as a secondary source for altitude and ground speed, and ground speed is quite a lot better than nothing. Not blaming anybody since this happens in last century after all but I hope this is done on all modern aircrafts.

[@longlivechina7538]

What a terrible way to go,

[@disappearintothesea]

This is why you aviate, navigate, and communicate. Edit: So I understand the lawyers POV about safety. And I know company like Boeing is rich enough to payout families. But consider this: someone gets mad so they throw their tv out the window and it hits and killed someone. Who’s at fault for the homicide? The thrower or the manufacturer?

[@anthonydefex]

that was terrible mistake. May not have been enough to save it, but from these episodes it seems like not matter what, if the stick shake is happening, then the pilots should give it their full attention and respond to it.

[@mortenguld3076]

For your info: In the checklist list procedure that came out as a result of this accident one of the items is that the stall warning can not be trusted 100%.

[@natehill8069]

As often as this happens, they could put in a self-test that sends a puff of air into the pipes and if it doesnt dissipate in real time then set off a flag, and switch to an internal alternate static source.

[@tomspeed2000]

Is Peru having Air Force or any military aircraft? There is a same documentary about one aircraft who carried only 3 or 4 passengers, they added 2 extra pilots because I think those persons onboard was so valuable.. right after take off plane get to the huge difficulty and multiple errors.. the tower ( I think was Spain ) immediately contact with the military airbase and they lunch 2 F16 which approach to the aircraft and guid them visibility back to the airport safely.. its happened in the daylight but without helping of those F16 they could not manage to land.. in this case those 2 poor pilots leave on their own with receiving wrong information from tower.. why they didn’t scramble any military aircraft to visually resolve the problem about speed and altitude.. its absolutely clear to me that the lives of ordinary peoples are not valuable or important for governments at all.. they need immediate helps which can be successfully avoid that disaster by sending a mIlitary fighter jet

[@HugoHugunin]

Doesn't the 757 have an alternate static air source? Note that the biggest thing that I fly is a PA28-181, so I don't claim to be an expert on Boeing 757 equipment. I have never piloted ANY aircraft that didn't have an alternate air source.

[@sc1338]

Idk why the first officer’s couldn’t be used

[@mortenguld3076]

No alternate static due to pressurisation. B757 has 3 totally separate pitot/ static systems, but that doesnt help much if you disable all three at the same time. Same result as disabling both pilots at the same time...

[@reneemills-mistretta790]

Duct tape instead of red tape. Ridiculous.

[@jadenn8]

oh my god that is bad

[@davido3026]

Negligence!!!

[@natehill8069]

Baffled there are commercial pilots who do not know that radar only reports the altitude that the airplane tells it to. If the plane is giving you bad data, radar will just give you other bad data.

[@luuduonghy659]

This incident will be a wake up call for all enginner

[@reneemills-mistretta790]

Imagine being a person who investigates plane crashes who then has to "fly" to the plane crash site to investigate. Nope, not me.

[@justinhoyt3036]

You know, I thought this way too, until I realized that being afraid to drive a car because on average 99 people die DAILY in the US (3700 daily worldwide) in car accidents was an unreasonable excuse to be afraid to drive. I'd imagine its the same for the LEOs that have to investigate crashes.

[@reneemills-mistretta790]

@@justinhoyt3036 I'm terrified of heights. When it's my time to go, I hope for it to be on land. Not in the air or in the water. I am a certified SCUBA diver. The water didn't scare me. I love it!

[@andyvan5692]

NO, Boeng is at fault, they should have designed a "cover" for the port, for cleaning purposes, like the doors on the landing gear, and controlled from the cockpit, with warning lights, so that the crew know; second way is to have a "air blaster" or mechanical pin punch, to clear/check the ports are clear!!- again something the pilots can do to diagnose/fix the problem, a small hole in the tape may have let enough air through to give the systems back.

[@Cindoreye]

I don't know how Boeing can be to blame in this specific case. The wrong tape was applied. The tape wasn't removed following maintenance. A further maintenance inspection was not done. The supervisor was not on duty. The pilot walk around failed due to it being done at night with flashlight. If a mechanic screws up the breaks on my car, because he didn't follow established procedure, and I get into a crash, would it be the fault if Toyota, GM, BMW, etc.?

[@michaelsowden5892]

So what was the reply from the guy who left the tape over the Pitot static ports when he was told what that caused?

[@_gav__]

Human error

[@liveandinstereo]

It took these two crashes for the FAA to start requiring mandatory Pitot Tube failure training. 🙄

[@skandrews8]

If there is enough time, and not doing flips, how about putting a bottle of water on a surface in the cockpit, which would give you an artificial horizon? That was a question, or am I totally wrong?

[@RacinZilla003]

Pending on the g-forces, your water will almost always be level. Check out Bob Hoover pouring tea

[@skandrews8]

@@RacinZilla003 awesome, thank you!

[@tberlin6718]

I don’t understand why the ground ATC doesn’t offer more help or support. Why wasn’t there an engineer on the ground running to help them, to brainstorm with them, give them a direction? For example, the simple decision of the ground proximity warning was correct or not? I think it would have helped them a lot in this situation. Also, someone to tell them - don’t land, get the airplane under control, trust your basic navigation… things like that.

[@suspreena]

It's easy in the calm of hind sight to see what went wrong. The pilots were getting not only conflicting info, but a bit of sensory overload with all the the alarms going off. Think about how annoying it is in a fast food joint when alarms going off to get stuff out of the fryer, crew calling back and forth over that sound, screaming kids ..etc. Also, they had a full fuel load and would have to dump before landing or risk breaking up on touch down. SO I do agree many things were done wrong, but it can also be hard to focus with utter chaos, and ATC should have done a WAY better job. They aren't getting the same chaos the pilots are and there are many more people to gather and find a 'fix' and get the flight down safe, even if the airframe was a total loss. My sympathy to all of those hurt and impacted by this incident.

[@Kait-tee]

Short version: the atc was getting false info just lk the pilots themselves. (Pitot static tube was blocked)

[@AlexStypik]

Could the radar have shown real altitude based on radar bounce back? If so why didn't the radar operator switch to that mode? Why didn't they address this? I know damned well that the pilots knew instruments were messed up so they assumed the radar was giving real alt, but this was false too since it was just relaying the wrong info that plane was transmitting. This was a critical item they didn't address at all.

[@jonwenger3584]

Did either pilot ever look at the radar altimeter? An entirely separate system.

[@dennis2376]

The question is how do they fix the problem that the controller gets the wrong information?

[@mjcarmichael1]

Very good question.

[@bjbrown]

I am hoping that they have better equipment now. I flew into Lima Peru a few years ago and the landscape was frightening. Mountains all around. We were in daylight so it would have been different.

[@reneemills-mistretta790]

Tape? Tape? All of these people DIED because of TAPE!!!

[@tommychew6544]

To me it feal back on the airport support staff. Everything can't be made failsafe unless humans aren't involved, and we are involved in everything! We made these things, modern life makes no sense!

[@Elemarth]

I don't think the pilots could have done anything. Yes, trying to land was a mistake, but they couldn't even tell if they were steady, so how could they just fly? And if they were dropping the entire time, they probably would have crashed before any other plane found them, especially considering they would have been looking in the wrong place.

[@michaelgarrow3239]

Not have airspeed come alive on take- off is a reason to abort. Wet compass on the dash is required equipment. And using radar altimeter would be possible since it’s obvious it’s pito -static problem. As he said set power and fly the plane.

[@mortenguld3076]

Airspeed alive and crosschecked at 80 knots per SOP. Problems only start airborne when static pressure remains constant.

[@ganzyjam2602]

Too bad it wasn't the dollar store duct tape, all lives would have been spared.

[@giselestrauch5146]

likwe the frozen pivot also brought a plane down

[@robertobrien4799]

Military has Remov before flight banners on ordnance.

[@richardcline1337]

You can bet your life that bottom feeder, Eidson, did NOT take on over 40 cases out of the goodness of his heart. He made MILLIONS in those settlements as his share of the pie. I wonder what was left for the families.

[@vernontrickey4115]

incompetence everywhere the tower was told there instruments were all over the place and wrong yet ground control instead of using there radar to check the planes height they use the planes faulty instruments instead wtf then the pilots cant understand how they could be low yet had been at engine idol for ever and the maintenance crew with the tape omg it had no hope !

[@marigeobrien]

If it's any comfort to anyone who has lost someone from a tragedy like this, I put to you: As horrific as their last moments may have been, I count them lucky. Their suffering was but a few moments. I have been disabled for almost 20 years. It is a chronic, progressive disability in which my body becomes less and less able to do the simplest things. In recent years I have come to envy those who die quickly, no matter how violently, who spend even a day or two in terror and pain. Because I have spent weeks, months in terror and pain. I don't ask for or expect pity. But when you meet someone who is disabled, show them kindness. They are fighting a battle every day, some for their entire life and definitely for the rest of their life. Many will never be able to even go on a vacation or fly. Or enjoy so much of the world around them. And, most of all, while it IS horrible to lose someone in a tragic way like an airplane disaster, take comfort that their suffering was brief and they lived a good life until then.

[@Mishael2023]

I have a question, why do pilots say mayday MAYDAY mayday that way? Is it because so the receiver can hear it more clearly??

[@00muinamir]

Yes, it's repeated so that there is no ambiguity about what's being said even if the radio signal is weak or distorted.

[@sabrina.natalie]

@@00muinamir - I was curious about that too. Thanks for clarifying! 🤍

[@Mishael2023]

@@00muinamir ty, I had this question circling in my head for weeks, even though it’s so simple lol.

[@colincartwright6498]

"Money can't buy human life" Then, why dump money on people?

[@PinchingPennies1by1]

Maintenance workers yet again cause another fatal crash 🙄 SMH

[@phprofYT]

Lawyers.

[@oldhick9047]

lawyers will ruin the world

[@sigsin1]

Can’t the tape be bright orange and glow in the dark? Black boxes should emit signals for longer than 30 days.

[@travisbickle4360]

Yes, That was the tape that was suppose to be used.

[@jamesstreet856]

With a long bright orange streamer that hangs down several feet so it's easy to see.

[@budwhite9591]

14:35 why couldn’t the lawyer have been on the plane

[@PepekBezlepek]

idk man .. why design a cleanup procedure like this when you can have e.g. dedicated lids that create a signal whenever they're on so the fate of the airplane is not hanging on visual inspection of a perfectly color-blending tape? Having a cleanup procedure undetectably disable a crucial flight feature is a huge oversight on the manufacturer part imo.

[@Sereno44]

Boeing and Peruvian have blood on their hands ...

[@jacquesprovost9985]

In this day and age why they need pito tube

[@_gav__]

RIPPPP

[@jadenn8]

Yeah

[@omidabouei]

RiP❤❤❤

[@christinestill5002]

Another maintenance failure. And another Pitot tube disaster. Boeing has had this problem before & I'm glad it cost them plenty. Since apparently they cant put in an idiot light that says 'Pitot Problem'. The minute 2 instruments disagree, turn around or land asap.

[@doncampbell5976]

These pitot tubes should have a self-clearing mechanism on them. This should not happen again

[@Champ.8]

.....

[@starvingartist6754]

Well, my instruments won't work, so I guess I'll let the plane fall to the ocean cause I don't know how to fly a plane, I'm sorry folks it wasn't spouse to do this !

[@andreamarshall911]

Jebus. Can't the cleaning crew put cheesecloth over it to protect it instead?

[@euanreid6682]

19:45 An American saying that the damages were high because of their suffering... when the Vincennes shot down an Iranian civilian airliner killing 300 people it was a dirt cheap payout.... not only that everyone serving on the ship got a medal for their heroic accomplishment.

[@jwilson3985]

He needed help. What did he do? He called the United States. As usual. Hate us til you need us. (Not necessarily Fernandez, but generally speaking)

[@starvingartist6754]

PL