What D&D Alignment is EVERY Member of Vox Machina? (Critical Role)

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@tatersalad76
@tatersalad76 2 жыл бұрын
I know you say plot armor, but Scanlan really did solo the mansion in the campaign, and literally only got through it by going big brain and utilizing his cleverness
@craigstarbird6915
@craigstarbird6915 2 жыл бұрын
The only real “plot armor” in that encounter was Matt forgetting to have Scanlan roll for concentration on his polymorph but Matt forgot to do that for like the first third of the campaign so it wasn’t him making a concession for scanlan in particular
@bibbobella
@bibbobella 2 жыл бұрын
@@craigstarbird6915 You role concentration when in polymorph?!...I mean...it makes sense...god damn it why did I always just assume it was like wildshape...Welp, I have made a lot of fights way harder than they had any right to be :P
@aqueousmink5128
@aqueousmink5128 2 жыл бұрын
Came here to say the same thing
@Broomer52
@Broomer52 2 жыл бұрын
@@bibbobella I never realized it either
@ASMroleplay737
@ASMroleplay737 2 жыл бұрын
And he had an easier time in the orriginal campaign.
@animefan3794
@animefan3794 2 жыл бұрын
“I think the plot armor was worn a little tight this episode“ That is the best part, Stuart. There was no plot armor in the session that episode was based on. It was pure luck and chaos. It has lived in infamy and legend among the critical role fans.
@benjaminhilsdon2238
@benjaminhilsdon2238 2 жыл бұрын
It's true but I'm sure Stuart knows this. The fact that the major points of this episode did actually happen within the rules of D&D doesn't necessarily mean the adapted version didn't still feel plot armor-y. This was a challenge the show had to face in pretty much everything it did. It can't assume it's audience understand the mechanics of D&D so it can't rely on them. In D&D we understand that characters have the mechanics of spell casting but in show it will seem like it comes out of nowhere in a very ex machina (irony isn't lost on me) manor. The show needs to establish what the characters can do and what they can't do. If the adaptation was verbatim this problem would happen a LOT. In general the show handled it well. With that particular incident I think there just wasn't a good way to translate it and still keep the scene in tact. So it was keep it and have it feel ex machina or remove the scene or alter it beyond recognition. They chose to keep it and that's a choice I agree with. But it does have heavy plot armor vibes to it in the show.
@animefan3794
@animefan3794 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminhilsdon2238 very true. I just wanted to point out how much fans loved that chaotic mess back in the livestream. It was basically the point where people started thinking “hey, Scanlan is a pretty competent character after all” as I recall.
@benjaminhilsdon2238
@benjaminhilsdon2238 2 жыл бұрын
@@animefan3794 ya it was too great to leave out even with the difficulty of adapting it
@bdletoast09
@bdletoast09 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminhilsdon2238 I feel like they especially made the situation more dire to Scanlan than it was in the original episode tho. During the stream, Scanlan *trivialized* Vedmire with Bigby's Hand and it was much more of a One Man Army trope than in the in show.
@dylancox631
@dylancox631 2 жыл бұрын
SCANBO!
@redith137
@redith137 2 жыл бұрын
Did you...did you just skip Grog sacrificing himself by diving in acid? Chaotic evil ding for you
@Hey-Its-Dingo
@Hey-Its-Dingo 2 жыл бұрын
Pike didn't leave the Everlight on hold, that was LITERALLY the choice the Everlight gave her: The church or her friends. Pike could choose either and still have the Everlight's grace, and Pike chose her friends.
@omarsongaming3255
@omarsongaming3255 2 жыл бұрын
yeah. it kinda feels like he wasn't paying very good attention to certain parts of the show.
@eliezeririzarry247
@eliezeririzarry247 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but what you're saying misses the point, too. The choice Pike had to make wasn't between "the church" or her friends. The Everlight doesn't even present the question that way (like, it's the complete opposite actually haha). Her message, and the thing Pike was struggling with, was that you shouldn't treat the separate parts of yourself like they're completely separated and at war with eachother. You need to be assertive in your conviction that the path you choose to walk will take you to a better place, and that it is the path you're meant to take, because that is where the separate parts of you can work together. Pike felt ashamed and thought her religious skills as a cleric were weak because she lived a wild life with her friends , which was a self-fulfilling prophecy that weakened her own faith. She also thought that focusing on her cleric duties and trying to figure things out made her a liability to her friends, which just created more self-doubt that was getting in the way of her ability so she actually became a liability. Her choice was to believe The Everlight when she said "any path can be a holy one" and took the middle path. The one where she doesn't have to worry that her faith to her patron and her loyalty to her friends will clash, because she is going to use one to strengthen the other and vice-versa. She chose the path that will lead to the ultimate version of herself that she wishes to become, and now that she believes that it's possible, she gets hella stronger and more confident as a result.
@dragoninthewest1
@dragoninthewest1 9 ай бұрын
​@eliezeririzarry247 this, right here
@patdav56
@patdav56 2 жыл бұрын
The point of the Everlight scene was that either path she went down would be a holy one, as long as she stayed true to herself. She didnt put the Everlight on hold, she just needed to remember who she was, and that rekindled her connection anew
@kratossword1728
@kratossword1728 2 жыл бұрын
I think Pike in Neutral Good
@kylethomas9130
@kylethomas9130 2 жыл бұрын
Okay, so Matt gave Scanlan a magic item back in the pathfinder segment of their game. When they adjusted stuff to 5e, Matt didn't realize the ramifications. But the Bard single handedly terrorizing a mansion of soldiers did happen at the table, Matt barely got to show that boss NPC with how definitively the dice decided that encounter.
@agsilverradio2225
@agsilverradio2225 2 жыл бұрын
The show's adaptation of Grog seems like the "FIGHT ME!" type of chaotic-netral to me.
@Mrryn
@Mrryn 2 жыл бұрын
That's fair, but he's also one that stands for a fair fight, is genuinely a nice guy as long as you aren't a dick, and is the type to go the distance for others especially his friends. Maybe Lawful Good is a bit much, but he's at least Good aligned in this series.
@Birthday888
@Birthday888 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mrryn The way Stuart tracks alignment is going to make Grog good, because above all else, Grog loves his friends. The chaotic neutral portion of his character comes from the fact that he'd probably be fine if his friends were more morally grey or cruel, because his morals are mostly wrapped up in what his friends think is good or bad. If the group had decided to GTFO out of Whitestone, Grog would probably be fine leaving an entire city under the rule of an evil necromancer and vampire couple. So yeah, Grog is going to appear more CG because VM is mostly good aligned.
@justnojustn3036
@justnojustn3036 2 жыл бұрын
I think leaving Vedmire to the people is lawful good honestly He's allowing everyone to take their revenge on an evil person instead of taking it for himself . Thinking of the people first like a leader should
@michaelliggett1622
@michaelliggett1622 2 жыл бұрын
Well vedmire original stream version was allowed to live and atone for his crimes by helping whitestone rebuild
@justnojustn3036
@justnojustn3036 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelliggett1622 well I watch this show first so I don't care
@엘제-k9u
@엘제-k9u 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelliggett1622 00:53
@psyberian
@psyberian 2 жыл бұрын
So mob justice? That is why Lawful Neutral fits much better. But then again that is why alignment is often subjective and causes many fights with my friends. What one persons moral belief is is different then another.
@GermanKinsmen
@GermanKinsmen 2 жыл бұрын
@@psyberian In a medieval fantasy setting, mob justice is literally just how the justice of the land works. These people just had genocide attempted on their village, of course they're gonna hang the dude.
@jinxtheunluckypony
@jinxtheunluckypony 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t watch Critical Role and still found the cartoon to be understandable and fun so I’d say it was a success. My biggest problem (aside from the first two episodes) was the mentor character. Percy talks about the guy like he was a beloved member of the family who unexpectedly betrayed everyone. Then the flashback showed him as an angry, venomous jerk from the start. It makes the Derolos look like idiots for trusting the guy.
@BLANKSecretBLANK
@BLANKSecretBLANK 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that felt weird to me too (I've only just started the stream so I haven't reached this part yet). Like their parents randomly checking in and throwing out that line about "endangering the heirs" and their behavior seemed like they didn't actually like or trust him. Plus Percy and Cass both seemed a little uncomfortable when he called Cass up, and neither of them seemed surprised at all when he got rude and venomous after their parents left - like it was nothing new.
@AuspexAO
@AuspexAO 2 жыл бұрын
Ehhhh, a lot of nannys and professors are kind of mean and strict. Kids may not like them but they trust them to have their best interests at heart. He was obviously beloved enough that he felt free to address the royalty so personally about the residuim and they didn't think it was weird.
@bessieburnet9816
@bessieburnet9816 2 жыл бұрын
There's a big difference between being a venomous jerk, and actively aiding in the murder of innocents. Anyway, that flashback was to show his motives.
@idleoz21
@idleoz21 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the writing on the show is not as great as the critters might have everyone believe, which is weird considering they didn't HAVE to "fix anything" since they had a whole campaign to base this off from.
@dingobait4524
@dingobait4524 2 жыл бұрын
You forget the difference in how the events actually unfolded, what we saw, and how Percy perceived them. He saw the guy as his mentor who got into squabbles with his parents and sister not an evil murder.
@susanwalls3580
@susanwalls3580 2 жыл бұрын
Stuart ~ "Grogg, at the start of the series, is Lawful Good. Fight Me!" *The following is done in a playful, joking manner & for the enjoyment of those that enjoy reading mean comments. Me ~ "I... WOULD LIKE... TO... post a mean & spiteful comment that tells you in an ignorant manner, why you are so very wrong. Also, RAGE!"
@TheLoadingCrew
@TheLoadingCrew 2 жыл бұрын
fortunately. I have a spell that needs a will save. have fun lol
@susanwalls3580
@susanwalls3580 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoadingCrew I... WOULD LIKE... TO... Thank you very much for the response & on another job well done. I know the KZbin scene can be a bit... RAGE inducing, so if it means anything, thanks for being the loading crew that could! P.s. you guys should totally do a video on the characters from the manga/anime Spy X Family (Loid, Yor & Anya Forger).
@sora20521
@sora20521 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, 16:50 percy actually tried to negotiate with him to get his sister back and giving him the possibility of living if he does so, so I dont think chaotic evil was right there till after he had killed her
@Strykerclass242
@Strykerclass242 2 жыл бұрын
I was really wondering how you would handle this one. I’d say you handled it really well. The only gripe was you say Scandlan having plot armor during his episode. The only reason I have a problem with it is because the events of the episode actually happened, he did solo the entire house. Did it match up one for one? No. But he did get away reasonably unscathed. I can see that looking at it without knowing the game, oh heck yeah it seems like he has plot armor. It was my only gripe, but it didn’t ruin the video for me. Thank you for taking your time with the show!
@wildhunter939
@wildhunter939 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think he got hurt more in the animation than the actual tabletop scene
@creativeusername7366
@creativeusername7366 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, if D&D is really coming to the world of animation, a show based off of The Adventure Zone or Order Of The Stick would blow my mind.
@LeRodz
@LeRodz 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta disageee on you on Grog. While they're not 100% like their CR versions (as this is an adaption, like you said), he still seems pretty chaotic to me even in TLVM.
@anonymousfellow8879
@anonymousfellow8879 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah…he chopped a guy’s hand off in a tavern fight he basically started. Love Grog, but he’s more of a chaotic neutral-leaning-good He cares about his friends, and he does have some sense of fairplay, but he uses Pike/VM for “to kill/not to kill” vs his own morality.
@draegonspawn5361
@draegonspawn5361 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like Pike started lawful good, but migrated to neutral good. Her whole arc, is about accepting her chaotic elements, in contrast to her lawful expectations.
@itsnochi9447
@itsnochi9447 2 жыл бұрын
im not completely sure who this is about but im assuming keyleth so yeah i agree
@draegonspawn5361
@draegonspawn5361 2 жыл бұрын
@ItsNochi oh Pike. Sorry. I feel Kyleth also is lawful good to start. Her whole reason for becoming an adventurer is to become a leader for her people.
@kratossword1728
@kratossword1728 2 жыл бұрын
Too much Pike is Neutral Good
@tipulsar85
@tipulsar85 2 жыл бұрын
With a character like Percy, you can tell what system they were playing at the start of the campaign. In case you don't know, it was Pathfinder 1st.
@darienb1127
@darienb1127 2 жыл бұрын
I thought Matt Mercer homebrewed a 5e gunslinger subclass for the games.
@Ozgarthefighter
@Ozgarthefighter 2 жыл бұрын
@@darienb1127 he did eventually for the stream. But the home game started as a Pathfinder game. Pike's Deity, Sarenrae, is from Pathfinder as well as the Gunslinger class. Matt decided to adapt the gunslinger rules for 5e instead of having Talesien roll a new character.
@tipulsar85
@tipulsar85 2 жыл бұрын
Later on sure, but they say at the start of the Geek & Sundry run that it started out in Pathfinder. The 5e swithc happened at the start of the G&S eps.
@dragoninthewest1
@dragoninthewest1 9 ай бұрын
​@@Ozgarthefighter It's too bad Tasha's didn't come out until after Campaign 2 had started. I feel Percey would have better translated into a Battlemaster Fighter with the Gunner feat and some homebrew for crafting. Battlemaster maneuvers could basically replace the PF 1e Gunslinger's trickshots.
@animefan3794
@animefan3794 2 жыл бұрын
Personal opinion for starting positions: should have done Percival second to last, and Grog last for the full hot take weight.
@CameoAmalthea
@CameoAmalthea 2 жыл бұрын
No plot armor because it was actually an accurate adaptation of a player deciding to LEAVE THE PARTY to go take on a whole dungeon and boss fight by himself. Scanlan could have died, and like the odds were he would have but like chaos and dice rolls. He did it. Also I loved the Shounen Anime speech he gives in LOVM that's also just a dick joke because like the whiplash between the serious speech and what he's saying sums up the tone of this show perfectly.
@ky-passley4769
@ky-passley4769 2 жыл бұрын
by it very nature this show was always gonna have issues. Matt put alot of effort into creating this serious world but its dnd and the players are gonna play the characters in a way as such that they have the most fun while still roll playing. I appreciate the show more knowing why the characters are so immersion breaking.
@SpiritOfSpite
@SpiritOfSpite 2 жыл бұрын
What happened with Scanlan is that they wanted to make him less of a wizard and more of a bard but then things like bardic inspiration and vicious mockery would slow down the fights tremendously so those were also cut , which left Scanlan with pretty much nothing however the story still needs him to get from a to z except now he has none of the things that got him there which is why plot armour needs to kick in
@ayygurl6573
@ayygurl6573 2 жыл бұрын
Not plot armor, the events in the mansion occured directly in the campaing not exactly 1 for 1 but pretty damn close. He left more injured in the cartoon than he did in the actual stream
@idleoz21
@idleoz21 2 жыл бұрын
It's weird that they wanted to make him more of a bard by taking away elements that come naturally for a bard, I feel like on the show they make him a generic magic user who happens to be music-based.
@shelbybayer200
@shelbybayer200 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't he a Duel Class character ? Bard and Wizard ?
@idleoz21
@idleoz21 2 жыл бұрын
@@shelbybayer200 no, he has access to other spell lists due to magic secrets which is a bard class feature. It's how he got counterspell.
@7fatrats
@7fatrats 2 жыл бұрын
It wasnt plot armor, the player actually pulled that off in the episode
@KINFIN123
@KINFIN123 2 жыл бұрын
Scanlan actually did solo that mansion. Pretty much went the way it was animated too, give or take some details
@penmaker2525
@penmaker2525 2 жыл бұрын
The first episode was rough as hell when I first watched it but later it just got better lookin forward for a possible season 2
@JaelinBezel
@JaelinBezel 2 жыл бұрын
Why do people keep saying the first ep is bad?
@chukyuniqul
@chukyuniqul Жыл бұрын
@@JaelinBezel Well I remember basically nothing other than the intro. I'd say that in a show where everything else was pretty memorable that's a bad look.
@TheKarishi
@TheKarishi 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how in the course of the video one looks at Percy and goes, "Hey is he, uh, is he gonna end up on Chaotic Evil?" Because that's also how one feels when watching the show.
@mmasque2052
@mmasque2052 2 жыл бұрын
I can see Grog being Lawful, he’s definitely the most loyal of the group, but maybe lawful Neutral with leaning closer to Good. Pike started Lawful Good but became Neutral Good after her being confronted by the Everlight and being taught that being her true self that was what the Everlight desired of her; and that truth was she needed her friends and they needed her. Keylith is Neutral Good with Lawful leanings. Scanlan, Vex and Val are all Chaotic good with the twins straddling the line with Neutral. Percy is Lawful Neutral on his own but slips towards Lawful Evil in the grip of the demon. And maybe closer to Lawful good, or maybe Neutral Good after being freed.
@CricketsTavern
@CricketsTavern 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more
@michaelcooper3126
@michaelcooper3126 2 жыл бұрын
I’d would would gone on the lines Chaotic good for Percy leaving Vedmire to die. Sure leaving people to die brutal deaths is usually neutral at best and evil most of the time, but Vedmire was quite the evil bastard, so letting him live would’ve been a bad idea. Plus, Percy recognized that Vedmire was probably the most involved with keeping the people of Whitestone under the thumbs of the Briarwoods, so leaving him to a populace that wants justice for his actions is kinda poetic justice, letting them finally fight back after years of oppression
@bennyboy9628
@bennyboy9628 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the Dragon Quest music towards the end. That series has some really great music.
@FenDweller13
@FenDweller13 2 жыл бұрын
12:35 How dare you sir! Trinket is the BEST BEAR! Show some respect!
@leonielson7138
@leonielson7138 2 жыл бұрын
Percy leaving Vedmire to the justice of the mob could be interpreted many ways. With Orthax influencing him, this might have been the demon trying to reach out and absorb the soul of Vedmire as the people enact their vengeance.
@JaelinBezel
@JaelinBezel 2 жыл бұрын
Considering how pissed Orthrax gets at Keyleth and Grog kill-stealing Lord Briarwood, I doubt it. I don’t think it counts if Percy doesn’t kill them with The List.
@dontmisunderstand6041
@dontmisunderstand6041 Жыл бұрын
Vigilante justice against a tyrant, chaotic for sure, neutral probably, depending on HOW evil the tyrant is.
@leonielson7138
@leonielson7138 Жыл бұрын
@@dontmisunderstand6041 Mob justice is seldom justice, though the show does make a good case for why Vedmire deserved to die.
@dontmisunderstand6041
@dontmisunderstand6041 Жыл бұрын
@@leonielson7138 Justice is a concept more along the law/chaos spectrum than good/evil. It's why I would never entertain the notion that vigilante justice is anything but chaotic. It spits in the face of law, demanding that law is whatever *I* would like to happen right now.
@guyperson7487
@guyperson7487 2 жыл бұрын
Scanlan did go solo into the mansion though. It wasn't plot armor at all. And pike's choice was meant to say that she could choose either path and commit to the Everlight as long as she stayed true to herself
@jlokison
@jlokison 2 жыл бұрын
40 minutes of prestream plot to introduce the world and characters, followed by 195 minutes of Briarwood arch (only 15 episodes at 3.5 to 4 hours each, still more than 56 hours of content none of which covered what Pike was doing while away from the group), and 5 minutes of Chroma Conclave. Yeah, they did a good job, not sure it would have worked if the world builder and the people that knew the characters inside and out weren't directly involved in almost every part of the production, and that those people are very familiar with the animation production industry if not the animation itself.
@sammayes948
@sammayes948 2 жыл бұрын
“And elden ring fans who think parrying is a mechanic” ~stared right at by the narrator I didn’t expect to be called out, but your also not wrong.
@shelbybayer200
@shelbybayer200 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The moment Scanlan asked what 6th person Percy was gonna kill...... Percy's shadow is animated to show Percy pointing the Pepper Box......... At himself
@FreelancerStudios100
@FreelancerStudios100 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly loved the show I appreciate that you tell that Percy is doing chaotic evil things. What I like about it is that it’s chaotic evil but it’s always triggered by something he’s not just chaotic evil to get away and justify every sick twisted thing one can think of
@darkvizardking69
@darkvizardking69 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my Lord, you have no idea the sheer chaos that is Sam riegal. This man has done outfits for shows that even lady Gaga would take notes. So take all that, slap it into a bard and you get scanlan.
@gilessaint-loup2426
@gilessaint-loup2426 2 жыл бұрын
Where does Sam end and Scanlan begin?
@darkvizardking69
@darkvizardking69 2 жыл бұрын
@@gilessaint-loup2426 I don't know.
@silverdust4197
@silverdust4197 2 жыл бұрын
Netflix employ 1 : should we invest ? Netflix employ 2 : Not sure if we would want to cooperate with us Netflix employ 1 : Hmm . . . I am not sure (Ending plays in the background) Netflix employ 2 : Guess we will never know Netflix employ 1 : Yeah .
@tristandelasuertemexcla
@tristandelasuertemexcla 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry scanlans plot armor gets fucked by chroma conclave arc
@coolguy5133
@coolguy5133 2 жыл бұрын
I think only Nintendo and Gamefreak are the only ones who are able to approve and put out a Pokemon DnD series.
@gilessaint-loup2426
@gilessaint-loup2426 2 жыл бұрын
You are correct but, with Netflix vouching for a Pokemon DnD idea. I think they may be more receptive to the idea.
@lostmediadetective2590
@lostmediadetective2590 Жыл бұрын
David tenant is great as Scrooge mcduck/10th doctor
@ImElMounstro
@ImElMounstro 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the series, and really appreciate the fact that you stand by your interpretations, like with Grog.
@cdesigner9178
@cdesigner9178 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, it's one thing to have Netflix make decisions about a Pokemon show when the Pokemon anime has had its series and canon characters for a while and it is still very much in the Pokemon World. However, I don't think that Pokemon would allow Utopus to become real, and some aspects of the series, such as Burst, are things that Pokemon might want to keep ONLY to the manga. Still, if Pokemon Utopus got the Vox Machina treatment, I would LOVE that. I've been enjoying the series and my only frustration with it is that the episodes don't come out fast enough.
@grantpflum6844
@grantpflum6844 2 жыл бұрын
Best show this year
@hansolav5924
@hansolav5924 2 жыл бұрын
small correction, the first season is only the 'intro' to the tale. :) (provided of course we get to see the rest someday)
@Ailieorz
@Ailieorz 2 жыл бұрын
Vex is absolutely chaotic neutral. There's little actually good about the character, it's mostly others' opinion about her that motivates her to do good
@DaxRaider
@DaxRaider 2 жыл бұрын
nooo way he is lawful good ... in episode 1 we learend he just beheaded their last employer and that he "wanna kill everyone" xD
@jacobweatherford4696
@jacobweatherford4696 2 жыл бұрын
If netflix and by extension the people who make the pokemon anime were smart theyd make a anime from your pokemon table top campaign
@fellowsoliderofchrist2263
@fellowsoliderofchrist2263 2 жыл бұрын
Give it a year or two Netflix will be looking for something to compete with the legend of Vox machina.
@howaboutgrapes6761
@howaboutgrapes6761 2 жыл бұрын
*kills an evil person who is currently doing evil things* Chaotic Evil ding
@TheLoadingCrew
@TheLoadingCrew 2 жыл бұрын
did you miss the torture?
@viridityone3106
@viridityone3106 2 жыл бұрын
Blood for the blood god!
@drilltotheheavens1695
@drilltotheheavens1695 2 жыл бұрын
Okay so random thing here…now that Stuart brings it up I really hope we perhaps see a Nat19 series. Love those guys…
@ZephyrBW
@ZephyrBW 2 жыл бұрын
Love that alastor image you got dude
@SternenLegion
@SternenLegion 2 жыл бұрын
Grog lawful good I actually agree. But a thing I noticed. You said at some earlier points you gave them lawful good points but moved them to neutral good instead. And I am surprised you didn't give Percy some chaotic evil for his "keyleth is gone, but we got what we came for" line. Rdy to let keyleth die just to finish his revenge
@13loodCrow
@13loodCrow 2 жыл бұрын
Percy letting the townspeople rip him apart is Neutral. "It's not my problem anymore" type of thinking.
@dontmisunderstand6041
@dontmisunderstand6041 Жыл бұрын
"Not my problem" mentality is definitely leaning evil. And vigilante justice is inherently chaotic.
@yamato9753
@yamato9753 2 жыл бұрын
Good video! Even after watching the video twice, i have no points where i don't agree with you. Btw. Thanks for the dq8 Music at the end. My favorite game of all time aswell as the first videogame i ever played, i was just happy about that easter egg! (I know that this music isn't only featured in 8, but it was the first one that used it.)
@dragonmaster4405
@dragonmaster4405 2 жыл бұрын
The thing is, it wasn't plot armor that saved Scanlan. If you watch the episode that the Vedmire fight was inspired by shows the full chaos that was that episode in the stream. The dice said it was that crazy and Matt Mercer is known to not favor characters if they end up dying he doesn't say they just survive.
@JaelinBezel
@JaelinBezel 2 жыл бұрын
Percival de Rolo could be a Hexblade Warlock with Eldritch Blast reflavored as gunshots. That would require reworking his primary stats though
@vashjhunter1576
@vashjhunter1576 Жыл бұрын
only thing i have to say, like everyone else, is the thing about plot armor for scanlan in that episode, lmao. He really did solo the house. It's the thing most critters remember about Scanlan, aside from one,,,other thing that happens much later. He took on that house with polymorph, a couple of things in his bag and a dream. It was great. Burning the house down, and fighting on the rooftop? All happened.
@dontmisunderstand6041
@dontmisunderstand6041 Жыл бұрын
That's part of why it definitely IS plot armor. There's no longer game mechanics to justify what happened. Now it's just a story that made an improbable thing happen simply because the plot demanded it. Plot armor.
@drilltotheheavens1695
@drilltotheheavens1695 2 жыл бұрын
Here to say I genuinely hope Stuart gets his dream of a tv show for his campaign.
@SirFryStirFry
@SirFryStirFry 2 жыл бұрын
I know it's probably been said but Delilah summoned shades in vm place
@Gemasted
@Gemasted 2 жыл бұрын
leaving a mob to kill a defenseless person with mob "justice" is definitely a chaotic evil move.
@Gallacant
@Gallacant 2 жыл бұрын
He just became defenseless though. Also, Percy said his name wasn't on his list so choosing to spare him is actually lawful in action It's just coincidence the mob of villagers the dude tormented happened to be around for their pound of flesh.
@GermanKinsmen
@GermanKinsmen 2 жыл бұрын
"My Hero fans who don't understand what Mineta is" I've watched Dragon Ball, dude. I've seen Roshi. I'm familiar with the trope. It was creepy and fucked up back then, and even more so in the context of underaged characters.
@weirdguy1495
@weirdguy1495 2 жыл бұрын
About Gandalf: I feel like you could make a video on the Fellowship of the Ring as a whole.
@honooryu5374
@honooryu5374 2 жыл бұрын
It ain't plot armour if you actually did it.
@UltimatTacoman
@UltimatTacoman 2 жыл бұрын
Had to check the release date on that Grog starting alignment.
@ZoanBlade90
@ZoanBlade90 2 жыл бұрын
19:30 It's a tie between Lawful Neutral to Neutral Good for me. It speaks of "I'm not going to kill you, but I'm not going to save you".
@sincere9222
@sincere9222 2 жыл бұрын
Stuart you're thinking too small. Not just road to victory but all of Utopus as well
@AsianPandaGames
@AsianPandaGames 2 жыл бұрын
That attack on my character would have hurt if I didn't practice my parrying in Elden Ring so much.
@devincheeseman3867
@devincheeseman3867 2 жыл бұрын
i think you hit the nail on the heads in this one.
@NotReinaHamazaki
@NotReinaHamazaki 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do an alignment video on cyberpunk edgerunners? Like the main characters?
@DanialTarki
@DanialTarki 11 ай бұрын
15:12 Chaotic Good, actually. 17:38 Chaotic Good, to be truthful. 19:33 Neutral Good.
@lostmediadetective2590
@lostmediadetective2590 Жыл бұрын
Khary Payton is the Kevin conroy of cyborg voices
@telenNG
@telenNG 2 жыл бұрын
Everything said and done I firmly believe there's only one party member in the entire series vox machina present and future who does not have plot armour XD
@reloadpsi
@reloadpsi Жыл бұрын
"This is gonna be controversial but Grog is lawful good." Yeah. He's the adorably naive version of lawful good. I love it.
@Dragon_Aoi
@Dragon_Aoi 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't agree with everything you said, but still a good video nonetheless, thank you for making this video. I really loved this cartoon and it's characters (I do wish it was a bit longer, since I love ur videos and this series so much, but almost 30 minutes is still a great amount of time!). If you take suggestions (I don't if the comments would be the best place to do it/them, but I don't know where else to do it), I would love if you did Hunter x Hunter (2011) someday, though I know that would be a big undertaking. I would love to see ur takes on their alignments though, because everyone in HxH are pretty morally gray, and people can have a lot of differing opinions about the characters' alignments from that series.
@a.z.pantera5577
@a.z.pantera5577 2 жыл бұрын
I think episode 1 not being good is the point. Much like a new party, the show itself is trying to find its footing. On the subject of Percy, his player and VA, Taliesin Jaffe is REALLY good at making interesting, soulful, or morally dubious characters and puts his all into them.
@juanluis3172
@juanluis3172 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my, critters are gonna eat you, or they are gonna love you, no inbetween
@johnnydollar579
@johnnydollar579 2 жыл бұрын
I kinda hope we see an adaptation of the dark elf series. I mean it's literally an official book series set in one of the most popular D&D game worlds. I also wouldn't mind a dark sun adaptation.
@Sgt-Wolf
@Sgt-Wolf 2 жыл бұрын
13:54 Yes, yes you should.
@QuixoteBadger
@QuixoteBadger 2 жыл бұрын
I am required by common law contract to mention that your comments on the bear were a little bit.... um... What is the word I'm looking for?
@LeRodz
@LeRodz 2 жыл бұрын
2:27 Wait, did you confuse the two here? Because if so that's very true to the spirit of CR S1
@collinszambino4469
@collinszambino4469 Жыл бұрын
Grog is simply chaotic evil
@valanceeisleben4161
@valanceeisleben4161 Жыл бұрын
Honest reaction.. "Grog is Lawful Good"...me..."DAMMNNNN"
@Noktrin18
@Noktrin18 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the creatures the necromancer summoned were bone claws they had alot of the same powers and weaknesses as bone claws
@TheBiggreenpig
@TheBiggreenpig 2 жыл бұрын
8:15 you said "lawful good" but moved grog to the chaotic side.
@TheLoadingCrew
@TheLoadingCrew 2 жыл бұрын
oops! sometimes mistakes fall through. our mistake
@Gashren
@Gashren 2 жыл бұрын
19:34 - I'd probably say it' seither true neutral ("not my business, do with him as you want"), or slightly lawful neutral ("still not my business, but his crimes do deserve a punishment, so punish him as you want"). I have tried to watc... rather listen to the campaign(s) as a podcast, but that's just waaay too much material for me to do in any conceivable future. I don't have access to Amazon Prime, so I have no means to watch the animated series. Oh, well, at least I got your alignment video :)
@The-Nomad1
@The-Nomad1 10 ай бұрын
I forgot that they got David Tennant for this
@allenr316
@allenr316 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if vowing to avenge the town of villagers that they accidentally got killed via dragon is specifically Lawful Good... more like "Pissed Off Good"... so honestly any of the good alignments would work here.
@honooryu5374
@honooryu5374 2 жыл бұрын
Tal-dough-ray, EEE-mon, Kaylith? XD
@zeehero7280
@zeehero7280 2 жыл бұрын
I think Grog is more neutral good or Chaotic good. Maybe Stupid Good. Percy starts Neutral, leaning a tiny bit into evil because of his craving for revenge, while understandable the selfish nature of it in D&D alignments would be evil. However due to what happens in the story I think he ends up moving into chaotic or neutral good territory by the end.
@sleepyspartan1367
@sleepyspartan1367 2 жыл бұрын
Ending with an editor panic attack
@tocrowornottocrow7384
@tocrowornottocrow7384 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if they'll cover the second season after it fully comes out.
@robertporter6683
@robertporter6683 2 жыл бұрын
Percy wasn't Chaotic Evil, he was Lawful Good. It may not be Your law, but he is upholding an oath.
@ninjadrew1033
@ninjadrew1033 2 жыл бұрын
My only complaint in the show is the CG dragon Which I understand why it had to be done That doesn't mean I have to like it or even pretend I do Everything else is great!! I enjoy that they didn't follow the campaign 1 to 1 I love how you can see their powers grow and change Seeing Kiki learn and cast Sunlight and seeing Grog gain immunity to charms while raging Are my two favorite examples Both of which are really powers the characters gain, though the timing may be different I find it to be even more fulfilling that they learn them over the run of the season.
@dylancox631
@dylancox631 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you did this one!
@musickfreak
@musickfreak 2 жыл бұрын
They're all .. chaotic.
@screwbattle1689
@screwbattle1689 2 жыл бұрын
Too much Pike in Neutral Good
@WolfBoy-om6dw
@WolfBoy-om6dw 2 жыл бұрын
I would love If dingo doodles fools gold campaign became a tv show
@JaelinBezel
@JaelinBezel 2 жыл бұрын
We already have Dingo for that. I’d be down for The Unexpectables
@GrimRespite
@GrimRespite 2 жыл бұрын
This dude watched the tv show and based everything on that, after hearing percy is “true neutral” proves he didn’t watch the actual campaign and man that hurts ;-;
@Haduuna_Wrur
@Haduuna_Wrur 2 жыл бұрын
Especially referring to Scanlan's manor fight as 'plot armor' when it actually happened...
@linksstruepower7443
@linksstruepower7443 2 жыл бұрын
Scanlin made the Honry Bard meme popular and that's clearly Chaotic Evil. Loading Crew : He's big into consent. ....Fine Chaotic good.
@TheOneTrueNero
@TheOneTrueNero 2 жыл бұрын
the only thing i really have a problem with is your pronunciation of Tal'dorei . I mean it's been said in the show a couple of times, so there is proof from the creator of the way to pronounce it
@TheLoadingCrew
@TheLoadingCrew 2 жыл бұрын
it was pronounced different by all three different characters that said it
@TheOneTrueNero
@TheOneTrueNero 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoadingCrew I just rewatched the first episode just to make sure that I was not making a fool out of myself. In the first episode the say it twice and both times the they pronounce it tal-doh-ray. So unless someone with a dialect comes in and pronounce it an like you do, I really have a hard time thinking that the VO team are not making sure the name of the world is pronounced correctly.
@lt.branwulfram4794
@lt.branwulfram4794 2 жыл бұрын
I genuinely would've paid good money to hear Brimscythe say, 'Allons-y!'
@justnojustn3036
@justnojustn3036 2 жыл бұрын
I can't tell if this show is a 0/10 because no fight scene with the bear. Or 10/10 because of Scanlan
@carlotaperes1031
@carlotaperes1031 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fair, there wasn't enough Trinket. Interestingly enough, the main reason for that is because the animators hate animating "horses", which (from my understanding) in animation doesn't only mean literal horses but also other animals like bears. Apparently they're a bitch to draw consistently, and why the horses on the show are CGI
@Stray7
@Stray7 2 жыл бұрын
@@carlotaperes1031 Also, it fits with the source material, since the party was *constantly* forgetting about Trinket until someone mentioned something.
@carlotaperes1031
@carlotaperes1031 2 жыл бұрын
@@Stray7 very true
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