What did they do to Daemon?! | House of the Dragon Season 2 Episode 5 Breakdown and Explained

House of the dragon Season 2 Episode 5 has arrived and my House of the Dragon Season 2 Episode 5 Breakdown has arrived with it!!! In this video I will breakdown Episode 5 of Season 2 of House of the dragon. This is an indepth breakdown covering the History and Lore! No minor detail will be left out baby! This episode covers the Riverlands and Daemon but What did they do to Daemon? This Episode was not my favorite. Jace goes to the Twins, Rhaenyra and Alicent are plotting! Everything will be Explained in this video, I break it all down!! LETS GO!
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[@suveshan_]

I need that daemon arc to WRAP TF UP

[@ripthedodobirds]

ASAP

[@macherieamour0]

fr! i'm bout sick of daemon and them weirwood dreams😂

[@allsmiles1971]

Expeditiously

[@Lareina-lj4zg]

With a quickness!!

[@j84martinez44]

Hell yeah

[@aliciasantiago5259]

Best line in this episode : I am blood and fire DriftMark must pass to salt and Sea.

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

To me, that makes no sense. In season 1, Corlys says he wouldn't cast a bigger shadow on Laenor's offspring. But here, he's willing to f*ck Joffrey over in order to name Baela heiress. Or maybe it's because Joff has been sent away.

[@NiyahNy]

@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ when your loved ones die wanting something, you kinda look for a way to give it to them in death. I also think he realizes here how strong Baela is, and how much she’s like her grandmother.

[@thegreatpage5912]

@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ He said that years ago, back when ambition guided his every action. So much has happened since then. He's seeing his family is slowly starting to be destroyed and the survival of his house and blood is starting to get too him. It was also what Rhaenys wanted.

[@crystalgee7885]

Corless is getting in my nerves!! His wife asked for Baelor to be heir to drift mark! He trying to honor his wife who wanted to baelor to be the heir then she also wanted his his son who saved his life to be heir!

[@LeeBeeDeeTree51]

She's also part salt and sea.

[@applewagon253]

lol the Freys really are bridge trolls 😂😂😂

[@psychedelicyeti6053]

I love this 😂

[@DaisyKmua]

😂

[@Yk3d05bm]

lol 💯

[@4primus]

Daemon is at Hotel California: He can check out anytime he likes, but he can never leave. I need him to stop doing Extreme Makeover Harrenhall Edition and start the war crimes.

[@K8theKind]

“This is a joke. I mean, men would rather try to rebuild harrenhal than makeup with their wives.” Girl!!’ I FELT THAT!!!!!

[@Unknown31212]

Harrenhall is a glorified man cave at this point, go talk to your wife, Daemon, and slang some wood and stop chopping it

[@K8theKind]

@@Unknown31212 😂🤣💀

[@grichkatayou7558]

@@Unknown31212 you do realize this is the results of the writers trying to better a tory that was already better than anything they could write right? they are ruining the character... Daemon makes empty threats now and forgives traitors...etc

[@cmiller1300]

Might be the realest part of the show

[@darkschneider6221]

When the missus turns into a nagging witch such a thing may happen.

[@jackiec9139]

I felt like when Alicent said "you know what he is, what he has become", She was referring to him being a Kinslayer, not Aemond being like Daemon

[@last7509]

they're all terrified of him now

[@alfremyone]

I agree!

[@daniellekawaja1]

Tbh I can’t handle dragon on dragon violence EVERY episode, so I feel like during a rewatch it’ll be a nice break from the heartache for a second.

[@lalarie831]

Me too

[@xSavedSoulx]

Feels illegal

[@InfinitelyAnon]

I'm reeling like why do none of them act like they care about their dragons, either as a companion or an asset 😰

[@tammyd4110]

Yeah pretty heartbreaking

[@PartyofZero]

I thought I imagined that "Mommy" from Aegon in that last scene with him...poor baby 😢

[@Cersilaria22]

You’ve just made the best statement ever “is caraxes ok is he sleeping” 😂😂❤❤❤❤❤

[@angelfire9094]

😂😂😂

[@lila7663]

The Freys wanting Harrenhal seems to be foreshadowing their house falling in the main series, right? Like how every house that takes over Harrenhal is inevitably cursed and dies out.

[@samirmuhammad1781]

The Freys didn't take Harrenhal. Their house still rules in the Twins as far as it was written in the books.

[@nont18411]

The current lord of Harrenhal is the Littlefinger

[@serenitymuszings]

​@@nont18411do you get that, too? I didn't trust him now.

[@YIKESMF]

Nice

[@4peaceluv498]

My immediate thought at ending was ‘I didn’t get much out of this one’

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

I don't understand why the f people liked episode 3 but are disliking this one. Both feel more like fanfiction than ASOIAF, which is weird, because this show overall feels more ASOIAF than Game of Thrones.

[@1alex1hill]

Setting us up for next week!

[@thegreatpage5912]

It's a cool down episode. You can't have a major event happening every week, unless you plan on acquiring a billion dollar budget. It was focused on character development for Jace and Baela mostly.

[@deonhill6044]

@4peaceluv498 just a feeler episode!

[@Red1Green2Blue3]

WHAT? This was a GREAT episode imo

[@KristenNicoleYT]

I think this episode was sowing a lot of seeds that we are going to see flowering later in the series/season. I think that's why it felt the way it did. But we have the groundwork laid for unrest in Kings Landing, unrest in the Riverlands, dragon seeds, Corlys naming his bastard as heir air, etc

[@LovingLolo117]

Agreed

[@MADGUNSMONSTER]

You know how society is now. If there isn't action and bloodletting in every episode, they gnash their teeth. They also don't know how to budget their own lives, but they can budget a series. Who knows what the effects of last episode cost.

[@MiraBoo]

Exactly!

[@maxsilva11]

Yeah, exactly - it did feel like filler as I watched it, but I bet someday we'll look back on it and see how the course was set

[@lipsticksnlattesx3504]

I know it’s all fiction but curious how the Dragonseeds will be able to control the dragons without knowing a lick of High Valarian. Let’s see how this plays out. Also I understand that SunFrye was commanded in the common tongue but she’s been bonded too Aegon for years.

[@vanijane]

The parallel between Daemon and Aemond - including the whole mommy issues thing, especially THAT is killing me. 😭 I did not need that image of Alyssa ever in my life. 😭

[@jenbunny1984]

😂

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

I don't think that was Alyssa, because Alyssa had one purple eye, one green eye and her hair was dirty blonde, not silver. Also, her nose was crooked.

[@jessjess23brooks89]

​@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ Still, Alyssa is such a badass and now all people are gonna think when she is mentioned is her stooping her son in a torment hallucination 😭 💀

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

@@jessjess23brooks89 I THOUGHT THE SAME. I get the feeling they want to "improve" upon many of the female characters, but now Helaena is inconsistent, Rhaenyra and Alicent are completely toothless, Rhaenys had that whole mess in The Dragonpit and Daemon has been portrayed as a Ramsay/Joffrey.

[@jessjess23brooks89]

@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ Frfr these writers gotta hop on the forums or watch some David Lightbringer and educate themselves. I know five pimply discord mods who could do a better job lolol

[@MrParker-ux2mh]

In the immortal words of Lester Freemon from The Wire, “All the pieces matter.” Episode was good for what we have had and what’s to come.

[@Unknown31212]

Thank you, I always crack a smile when that GEM of a show is unexpectedly mentioned.

[@toddparker8]

Awesome reference

[@QTSweetFX]

@@Unknown31212 Best show ever and most the producers were og's from the area

[@DaRealJA]

Facts episodes like this make the show what it is !

[@LuckieLuz]

Thank you, Daemonds demons need to be explored. This wasn't a flashy episode but we need to let them cook before being served.

[@massasvassa]

Daemon is playing Bob the builder in the Riverlands. 😂😂

[@courtney912]

My exact thought when I saw him chopping wood😂

[@melissaisloud7404]

Alicent nominating herself for the regency was giving Edmure Tully. 😆 Rhaenyra ran off and treated with Daemon on a bridge. Now Jace does the same at The Twins.

[@vintage_violet]

Haha Edmure vibes definitely 😂👍

[@MrTigerred3]

Not Edmure Tully, she had a full panick attack.

[@YIKESMF]

Lmfao 😂 she did it before where as Edmure never had.

[@last7509]

criston couldn't support her publicly and not look suspicious. and he feels like aemond might set him up like he did his brother when they go back to the field

[@sylviasebregts2427]

Bridge thing is wel analyzed!

[@bridgettec2323]

The dog still being there 😢😢😢😢😢

[@reluctantfangirl1621]

That dog is telling a story. Loyalty to the end is not a good path. They went to Cole saying what happened at Rooks Rest. He knows he is as good as dead being a Green. Especially as Aemonds hand.

[@reluctantfangirl1621]

Oh, and the dog is going to be food because the small folk are starving. Just as Cole being a dog following orders is going to kill him.

[@jessjess23brooks89]

​@@reluctantfangirl1621Yeah, it straight up feels like he is trying to save Alicent's life and she doesn't even realize it. Like Boo, once the stones start falling you got at least some plausible deniability.

[@briennesfatsister4788]

That dog better be okay.

[@KorbenD3P0]

​@@reluctantfangirl1621 catch that symbolism, gir' 👏🏽 I knew he was still there for a reason but that one went over my head

[@anneconner1108]

This episode and last episode got me feeling a little something for Aegon. There’s Something heart wrenching about a young man calling out for him mom like a little kid. Tom Carneys acting has been 💯 this season, even if he was only in this episode for 1 min lol.

[@zizojaezekeom3565]

He's a r*pist and it felt amazing seeing his skin melted with the armor for me

[@macherieamour0]

baela and jace shined in this episode. they made the episode good❤❤

[@macherieamour0]

@@coldskoolbeatz i said it was good because of THEM. if you disagree make ur own comment🤟🏾

[@ilbb7055]

How? The actors are probably the weakest of the casting and their characters are absolutely boredom

[@Mai2708]

@@macherieamour0 I mean, they have the right to reply to you.

[@coldskoolbeatz]

@@macherieamour0 Actually, I watched it again and it is good. 👍🏾

[@ruthbennett7563]

I still feel that Daemon is the only one seeing Alys. I’m getting serious 6th Sense vibes from their interactions when others are present… especially that puzzled look from Ser Simon as to what he was looking at/talking to.

[@blkjem21]

🤔 I thought the same but in the books she is real but it would make sense it would explain why Daemond would ever take anything from this woman.

[@vintage_violet]

Now I'm going to have to rewatch it all and see if anyone else talks to her... 🤔

[@Angieth24]

It looked like Simon noticed her as he passed her in the hallway.

[@MiraBoo]

I thought he looked right at her, verifying that she is quite real/corporeal.

[@blkjem21]

@@Angieth24 Did he or was he looking to see who Daemond was taking to?

[@kronoscamron7412]

I am proud of jace tbh, our little prince is a man now. giving me "strong" jon snow vibes.....

[@ohhhmindy4380]

I needed the CSI Raybans to lower down on Ser Simon when he said, “Consort.”

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

Lady Grey missing Otto is one hell of a character arc.

[@GrayArea]

Does it not feel like something is missing?? It’s Otto

[@sergioh336]

Alicent hit the nail on the head. Even though he's a pos, he is an elite statesman

[@Ash.Crow.Goddess]

We love a good villain as much as we love a good hero.

[@niloticnya]

The ghost of Sigmund Freud must’ve been a guest writer bc ain’t no way

[@SonderDAzeX]

I would look more into Jung and Dream interpretation, Alyssa is more so Daemon's Anima an under developed one.

[@GrayArea]

I was like 🤨😑😑😑😑

[@rooo358]

😭😭

[@DavidLightbringer]

yeah I totally agree with your criticisms here. lol'ed at "I don't even know who Daemon is anymore" yeah I don't think anyone does. and yes to Jace and Baela carrying this one

[@DavidLightbringer]

I very much agree that Daemon's story is very hard to make sense of and just plain old shouldn't be

[@Jason-vy2og]

Since nettles is cut, I think sheepstealer gonna be roaming the Vale where there is a plentiful amount of sheep. Jane would tell rhaena about a sheep eating dragon and try to get rhaena to bond with it. That way jane gets the dragon she’s wanted warding the eyrie and rhaena gets the dragon she’s always wanted.

[@Red1Green2Blue3]

Is nettles cut or is Rhaena nettles? In F&B it's speculated that Nettles is NOT Daemon's lover but his daughter. She fits the description.

[@secicu]

​​@@Red1Green2Blue3Its both, Nettles is cut and her role is given to Rhaena. But Rhaena is her own character, not Nettles in disguise Now now, lets not pretend both couldnt be true here too, Nettles can easily be both in the text. These are Targs, and what did Daemon in the show atleast, say about pleasure?.. to teen Rhaenyra, his niece? 🙃 As Alys told him.. He literally held Rhaenyra in his arms as a baby

[@Red1Green2Blue3]

@@secicu I wasn't saying that Rhaena is Nettles in disguise. I'm saying that "Nettles" always was Rhaena. F&B is deliberately unreliable so over the years and centuries things get jumbled up.

[@gabyzzeetoon4516]

Hbo fanfiction sucks

[@Jdjdjdujakzgsha]

@@gabyzzeetoon4516you know GRRM is involved in this right?

[@NihilusGrey]

Alicent got a taste of what Rhaenyra and Rhaenys got: pushed to the side for her sex. That long shot on her at the small council was powerful AF! And Crispy Cole acting afraid to make eye contact was priceless.

[@bridgetofold5645]

Funniest line "I did not think they would be so eager to die" 😂 I liked a lot of the episode but the son/mother scene with Dameon completely un f***king necessary.

[@vintage_violet]

I was like, oh god, is this going to be his mother?? Please don't let it be his mother... Totally gross. 😵‍💫

[@ajaysworld93]

@@vintage_violetso gross 🤢

[@thegreatpage5912]

I thought it was a young Emma Aryyn at first and thought this is fu*ked up. But no, they somehow made it worse.

[@oliviariv]

I don't know why people are so bent outta shape over this. It was supposed to get us to feel exactly what Deomon was feeling. We get surprised at the end by that gross news, just like the character gets surprised and we start feeling massive discomfort just like the character does. That scene was very successful in doing what it set out to do. It was pretty brilliant.

[@thegreatpage5912]

@@oliviariv They try to play it off as if he didn't know it was his mother. But season 1 already revealed he was her favorite. We the audience was shocked because we've never seen Alyssa Targaryen on screen before so the reveal was a surprise. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he started trying to get with Baela.

[@xxfaerietalesxx]

loved the call back to rhaenya and laenor talking of preferring duck to goose

[@jordan_sal413]

“What he is, what he’s become” is not meaning like Daemon though. She just means he’s a killer. A kinslayer and full of anger

[@tristylebabyyy0430]

Yo your trigger finger is quick on these episode breakdowns!!! Love it

[@elioli81]

They get the episode a few days before us

[@beadragon1048]

Olivia Cooke really shined, especially in the counsel meeting while she lost the little power she had left. I knew this would be filler but I expected a bit more after losing such a major player last week. They have barely fleshed out Larys scheme and they seem to be gunshy to show the brutality of what Daemon was asking the blackwoods to do to get the Brakens!!! They could have done more w that scene. I still love the show but this was a choppy episode. Best scene was the addition of the Freys at the crossing, had me thinking about the Starks! 😂🙏

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

I thought Alicent would have influence over Aemond, just as she did over Aegon. But I think I was wrong.

[@oliviariv]

Disagree. She shined in that meeting, yes. But her reaction when her character's son came to the castle in a coffin and when she watched him burnt, bloody and broken on the bed make me know for a fact that the actress was not a Mother. I looked it up and not only is she not a mother, but she's only 2 years older than the actor playing her son. Makes a ton of sense when you see the scene. She looks more like someone watching a beloved friend than her son.

[@gleann_cuilinn]

I'm glad that they aren't reveling in gratuitous violence. The scene where the Riverlords take Daemon to task over the brutality hit really hard for me.

[@psychedelicyeti6053]

​@@oliviarivshe seems distant from her children, especially her sons. She protected them more when they were kids, but Aemond's has spoken about how he knows who she really is, so she's more distant now that they are adults. Her acting could come of either way. She also went through the loss of her husband and grandchild back-to-back, so someone could start feeling numb from this (especially because she feels powerless at this point). At the end of the day, it's a matter of interpretation.

[@danibee9943]

So true. I know the character Alicent has already lost a husband and a grandchild and she is distant from Aegon but the actresses reaction at that moment really felt flat and I think could have been more expressive of some kind of horror or grief for her son's pain. ​@@oliviariv

[@saviourly3186]

Ngl the more we slip away from the book the more I'm getting that season 5-8 game of thrones PTSD. this episode was the closest I felt like just turning it off. How in the hell did he not burn the bracken's ?!?!?!!??

[@miamivicemami]

Agreed

[@SonderDAzeX]

I dont know, he needs man power maybe? They still need an Army.

[@mistmanjones3555]

“We should go to my brother in tumbleton” GIRL YOU BETTER NOT!

[@TheeAmethystEmpress6589]

Omgosh😮 I thought the same. Exact. Thing. ❤️‍🔥

[@Smarterthanyew]

Why?

[@c.o2307]

@@Smarterthanyewread the book. Tumbleton is where it goes down

[@user-ri6in6cl4s]

@@c.o2307 MEGA SPOILERS This is where he supposedly turns his cloak. I can't see why if his family is there, unless they change the books and they have Rhaenyra's army sack the city (and kill his family) and he joins the greens to avenge them. Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

I was thinking the same. Let us not yet, please.

[@vlredreign]

Gurl, you did NOT call Daemon Bob The Builder!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@LadySophiaVelaryon]

Hey Gray, I need Daemon to check out of Harrenhal Extended Stay Motel and return to Dragonstone. 😂

[@JustaMomThatSims]

I thought it was out of character for Daemon when the Brackens came talking ish at midnight. Daemon is out of character all together. Hopefully, he gets it together next week. I didn't like lady Arryn. Did she think they would sit a grown dragon up on a mountain top with her to do nothing?

[@grichkatayou7558]

apparently Daemon is a push over now , who makes empty threats and get's told off by traitors... and he just stands there being surprised

[@JustaMomThatSims]

@@grichkatayou7558 Right?!? I'm like when.

[@namikaza9824]

@@grichkatayou7558Did we all miss the part when a witch is messing with his mind? He obviously is not feeling well and something is happening with him. It‘s sad that Daemon has only fans who like him, when he burns stuff. And the moment we see his fears and insecurities and deepest wounds, nobody gives a shit…

[@grichkatayou7558]

@@namikaza9824 Do you understand a story is being told here ?? There are things that happen that are a lot more important and relevant , like troop movement , castles taken etc … spending 3 episodes of a character’s arc on dreams, which in the end are not going to be of much use to the entire story … isn’t even something that should have to be explained …

[@Miskatonic1927]

@@grichkatayou7558 I think we do understand a story is being told. And they are telling it. I like all the dragon and military actions too but its interesting to see Daemon struggling and it will be interesting to see how they merge that with the "historical" entries in the Fire & Blood book that say Daemon was immune to Alys River's magic. But to your point that it seems like a waste of time... I do wish they had done 10 episodes for the season. then the Harrenhal scenes would work even better to inform the viewers of the struggles that Daemon is having without to take time away from other things as some viewers are suggesting. I will never complain about more episodes and more time spent in the Game of Thrones world. If only GoT had followed that in its final two seasons. How much better the last few episodes of season 8 would have been if they had 3 or 4 additional episodes in season 7 and 8 to add to the story.

[@madbyinstinct]

This is Baela's episode ❤ she ate 😊🔥✨️

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

Finally Baela Daemonsdottir does something and is allowed to take centre stage. It was past time.

[@E_Stormborn]

I liked the scene in the Green Council.. how the men's voices all fade and muffle in Alicent's ears .. she seems to know and understand her mistakes now..

[@KetoKrime]

Does Jace ever not grip his sword, every scene? 😂 😂

[@AlexisBii]

I LOVED how you verbalized the issues with this episode. I really think the writers are struggling and this episode showed it the most. They're sacrificing a LOT to spend *so much* time with Daemon in Harrenhal, book readers know. And on top of it, I don't think their interpretation of Daemon or any conclusions they'll draw from the Harrenhal plot will be profound. They're just gonna say he has mommy issues and then have him submit to Rhaenyra and rejoin the cause. GRRM said Daemon is one of the most morally gray characters in his work. Morally gray, complicated Daemon is SEVERELY missed from the show 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 PS - they better not cut Nettles out. I don't think they'd dare to lmao

[@grichkatayou7558]

They already cut Nettles out... one of the daughters is going to have her stuff

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

​@@grichkatayou7558which doesn't make sense because rhena gets morning post dance thats part of her arc .

[@AlexisBii]

@@grichkatayou7558 There’s no wayyyyy. She’s one of the most popular characters in the fan base

[@onmygrind336]

I don’t know if you even read these comments anymore but let me tell you something sis, I fuckin love you. My wife and kids know Sunday night is “leave me alone time” for two reasons. 1) Hotd and the mandatory rewatch. 2) Listening to you talk about what we just saw🤣🤷🏿‍♂️ Do not ever stop doing this. When you were sick, I was sick with you lol. You are the goat of anything game of thrones related. I’ve never read the novellas but I’m about to cause EVERYTHING you recommend be 🔥

[@BlackStarrTurnsHeel]

1. Daemon's suit of armor in the beginning of this episode was 🔥. Rude boy drip. 2. I love the up close and personal camera work in this episode. 3. I believe Daemon and Caraxes have been under Alys's spell the moment they've entered the storm to Harrenhal and not at the exact castle. Just like how in Naruto Shippuden, Pain did a storm jutsu in the rain village in order to detect any intruders is how Alys's using a storm spell to find and draw people to Harrenhal.

[@RhaegarTargaryen1st]

I think this episode was a cooling down after last week's epic, fiery drama. This episode was bringing the story back to the human drama behind the War of the Dragons; no special effects. Olivia Cooke was brilliant- her seething rage as Alicent was sidelined; Bette Davis would be proud. Aegon's sad calling for his "Mummy" as Alicent left him alone was heartbreaking. I liked this episode.

[@lisarood9509]

Agree. My heart broke for Aegon as well when he said Mummy. She fails him every time.

[@YanickaQuilt]

You said it better than I could

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

I felt so cold. Such coldness can drive anyone to insanity.

[@RhaegarTargaryen1st]

@@lisarood9509 I don't know if you've ever seen the movie *_"Marvin's Room"_* starring Meryl Streep. Meryl plays a woman with a very troubled son, played by pre-Titanic Leonardo DiCaprio. There's this scene where Meryl says to Leo, _"My feelings for you are like a big bowl of fish hooks. I can't just pick one up; I pick one up and they all come, so I just leave them alone."_ I think that's how Alicent feels towards Aegon. She wants to love him, and she does on some level, but she's also contemptuous of him. It's a tragedy all around.

[@oliviariv]

Cooling down is fine, but you don't have to make an episode filler to cool things down.

[@victoriaj6978]

This Daemon storyline is too long. I missed Aegon (I think we were missing that comedic relief). What worked best this episode: The small folk! I felt their fear. I wish they had paid more attention to them. Jace was & Rhaena did fantastic this episode. Now this was a palette cleaner! Now can they please give me a 3 course meal? (The last 3 episodes).

[@tclauk79]

Daemon is in a ayahuasca's trek 😅😅😅 do not try it at Home, it's only for bold people

[@lynninfinite]

😅😅😂😂

[@Tee_L_Tee]

"Aemond is the Shein version of Daemon". Gray you are hilarious!!!!

[@reluctantfangirl1621]

This episode was a mess. They just set lore on fire and roasted Daemon over it.

[@AlexisBii]

@@reluctantfangirl1621 This is too accurate 😭🤣

[@rhaevan.maniyara]

I think there will be one more dream for Daemon where Viserys is present. And that would be his last one before he decides to leave Harrenhal.

[@psychedelicyeti6053]

I hope this is the case and preferably in the beginning of the episode so he can get moving on already 😅

[@rhaevan.maniyara]

@@psychedelicyeti6053 I agree. It has become too repetitive after last episode.

[@blackwidow4564]

Sarah Hess has never understood Daemon’s character. She has always wanted to make him a villain, but people who know realize Daemon is a gray character. He can be a villain and a hero.

[@AlexisBii]

This part! I really feel like making Daemon a villain skews the whole storyline. Especially when they've made Rhaenyra so passive too. If Rhaenyra is passive and Daemond is completely evil, what are the real stakes at hand? Who are we rooting for?

[@secicu]

​@@AlexisBiiNo one? Why is rooting for someone needed? But obviously.. The smallfolk, not entitled nobles Ottos actor is right

[@AlexisBii]

@@secicu "Rooting for" may be the wrong choice of words. A better question would be: Who's making us interested in watching? If they continue to make Daemon just an evil Villain with nothing else to do, and they continue to make Alicent and Rhaenyra do absolutely nothing, is that actually interesting TV? Why is that better than the book version of events?

[@secicu]

@@AlexisBii It may have been so, i suppose.. The interactions the characters have? The action? Hugh the smith? Any character that isnt Daemon then? Honestly.. he isnt that different from when he bashed Rheas head in, or killed a Royal Messenger etc etc They are shaping up to have Rhaenyra atleast get into things, Alicent? Who knows..

[@grichkatayou7558]

@@AlexisBii It is pretty clear to me now that people will be mad in the end... they had a whole story written and decided they could do better... like D&D, they will find out the hard way that, they can't... It is war, the only person with experience in it, is Daemon and suddenly he is this inept dude, who every episode (it seems) has new designs on his wife's crown.. It was, call me your Grace (understandable), now it is I am King... what will it be next time... smh

[@RecapRundownVTV]

“And while Alicent’s spawn may paint theirselves green, they are Targaryens” You was going off on the greens lowkey 😂😂👏🏽👏🏽

[@blurpledragon2779]

Bob the Builder , LMAO Good one Gray . It reminds me of The Hound and that hippie commune !!

[@Cerberusthechef]

I expected this to happen as far as it being a story driven episode as opposed to action and explosions and excitement. Makes sense to me, but Daemon’s story line is being milked at this point.

[@Fitz2364]

I like this episode. It needed an angry Corlys who was screaming at Rhaenyra for his wife’s death.

[@xxfaerietalesxx]

Daemon’s armor looked like raven feathers

[@aileenpi73]

The greens initiated the decline of the Targaryen dynasty. Daemon was right to despise Otto. Speaking of Daemon, I am not enjoying the visions, feels useless and it’s dragging. Even being aware of the possibility that Daemon is to become a green-seer, then get on with it because it feels like we are wasting his character. I am also not enjoying their push on Daemon wanting the throne, it really makes his character lose depth. I hope they wrap this up quick on the next episode. I am not even that impressed with Alys, I like the old man Strong better.

[@crinklescat1871]

What bothers me is it *any* point throughout his brothers reign if Daemon truly wanted the throne then quite simply he would’ve had it. He would have taken it. So like let’s wrap this up like especially as he’s one of the most important characters in the dance. Now I’m getting worried that they’re gonna screw up some of the things I’m looking forward to the most like the battle over the gods eye and hopefully we get the winter wolves. I mean we have to essentially, but I hope they keep those two exactly from the book because it’s perfect .

[@grichkatayou7558]

@@crinklescat1871 you should have realised by now, they are going to mess it up... Daemon was supposed to be raising hell in the river lands forcing Aemond and Cole to have to go there... instead he is dreaming about leeping with his mother... and has traitors telling him to fuck off... with zero consequence.

[@crinklescat1871]

@@grichkatayou7558 i genuinely didn’t think they’d shit the bed so hard with George’s favorite character. But then again look at all the people supporting the greens s d saying the show is biased towards team black when team green is *not* the greens from the book/short story. But I legit didn’t think they mess it up this bad. We skipped over scenes with him. I was like enough 😐

[@grichkatayou7558]

@@crinklescat1871 The direction they were choosing was already clear … They were going for fan fiction … They made Rhaenyra and Alicent age mates … The histories could be wrong , I don’t think they could be wrong about the queens age and get the King’s age right … Even though Alicent told her son in previous episodes that he would rule one day (even though she knew her husband’s wishes) … He spoke those same wishes hours before he died … but someone how she tough a man on heavy drugs changed his mind … and the public bought it … So they know what they are selling and whom they are selling it to … They don’t much care about telling the story … they care about telling their own interpretation of the story … because they are convinced it makes it better … By the end of season 2 more people will see this … they will probably end up with an incoherent show like D&D …

[@crinklescat1871]

@@grichkatayou7558 honestly I’ve just been trying to enjoy it for what it is like. I knew they’d have to make major major changes for the greens, but I did not know that so many people would actually support the greens and the really gross part is a lot of it is literally sexist arguments. I would be fine if it were about her ability to rule, but some of its just straight sexism. Normally I go to the book spoilers thread on Reddit because I got obsessed with this book. I mean pretty much all of his books to see what they have to say and like the book readers who support team green I’m always fascinated to know why especially as so obvious that the book is against her from the start. And I know someone’s gonna say “boo hoo! look a woman cried sexism!” but that’s kind of the thing is that blowing my mind more than anything especially as Rhaenyra was taught to rule, a cupbearer so attended small council meetings since she was a child etc. , she had her indiscretions however she was the heir. I do think she should’ve been smarter because I mean it’s so heavily implied that the conqueror himself was sterile and rhaneys got with the dude who looked like him which honestly that’s what Nyra should have done, but who in the hell could she really have trusted at that point. Also, I think them taking out the queen who never was having black hair was a mistake as well. The book is filled with unreliable narrators. You can’t get a good idea of what’s going on until the regency and that’s because there’s so many people around at that point. You have to read between the lines sooo much and come to your own conclusions. While I’m just heavily disappointed at some of the changes they made and then some parts I have enjoyed. But Especially as they have source material that they could interpret anyway, but when you’ve got it incredibly biased historian for team green, saying that daemon didn’t do any of this crap then come tf on man. It’s frustrating. It’s always frustrating when they adapt a book into a TV show or a movie for a fan/reader of the book(s) but at this point it’s just kind of getting to be infuriating because there’s so much they could play around with and this is the hill they’re choosing to die on ????

[@foukyng]

“Aemond is what everyone thought Daemon was” is literally the truest statement I have yet to hear another say. Everyone was so scared of Daemon on the throne that now they have Aemond.

[@brownenerdygurl]

Don't feel bad, I cried too. Baela showed such wisdom.

[@vintage_violet]

Thought it was a great episode, I don't mind well written filler lol. I appreciated the conversations and the nuances in each, they highlighted how war (and strategizing for it) is never straight forward. It's interesting to watch the shifting/tested loyalties, and yes the best parts were definitely Baela and Jace.. Can't wait till next week! 🔥

[@MiraBoo]

I’m not sure people understand what “filler” actually means anymore 😂 but other than that, I completely agree with you.

[@SultansMama]

Now I can't unsee Crispy as a low budget kris jenner. Especially with that new haircut.

[@chrisd946]

And Cheese's poor dog is still following his corpse around... 🥺 somebody please adopt that poor dog! Lol

[@bluegypsy71]

😅Thank you, I'm so sick of Aemond Stans whimpering "poor guy he was bullied" and overlook his war crimes, lol

[@elmatador81]

What war crimes? The only war crimes being done has been team black.

[@Freya1412]

​@@elmatador81treason when he actively tried to kill his king and brother, killing an envoy, using your own soldiers as bait for a dragon. Both sides are committing war crimes. Only Aemond stans won't acknowledge it.

[@maverickbull1909]

@@elmatador81bffr

[@paquiaDub]

Larys was correct. Now, Alicent is on the verge of tears. Did she forget she lives in patricarchy?!?! Alicent believes in Westeros’ agnatic primogeniture as long as she doesn't have to abide by it. Then we know what he (Aemond) is… Cmon Alicent… as if she did not play a hand in creating him. The show had him as a sweet child. She allowed Aegon (and continues to allow him) to torment his brother (as well as others) for years without recompense-or even acknowledgment. As if, at that time in history, they would allow an outsider to rule; Alicent does not have Targaryen blood and she is a woman. This is the reason Rhaenys was passed over. The reason Rhaenyra fights for her throne. AND THEY ARE OF FIRE AND BLOOD. She was merely a vessel.

[@LydiaKrow]

Honestly the "I wonder if they knew it was for her" redeemed that episode for me. That whole conversation was perfect.

[@darrenalevi3006]

Love the descrption of the Freys as The Bridge Trolls

[@lordfleabottom278]

I would love to hear about Daemon and Aemond. Please make the video this week 🙏

[@ruthbennett7563]

I think Aemond is driven (mad?) by sharing a soul/mind with his ancient dragon. She herself seems a bit mad from age (dragon dementia?) or perhaps the pain of destroying her own soulmate at her own command. I have a little head canon about how that may have made her want revenge against Daemon, or just mad with a contradictory order like the HAL computer or robot from Forbidden Planet.

[@crinklescat1871]

Dude daemon was loyal to nyra to the end. I think he had more of a daughter father relationship with nettles (him&nyra did have an open marriage however, I think it was agreed-upon for them to not have emotional affairs) and I hope the show goes with that. It probably won’t, but I hate how they’re destroying his character. Daemon literally literally gives up and doesn’t want to even live anymore when he sees how far gone the love of his life.(the man loved his family more than anything.) and he makes it his final mission to take down her biggest opponent. So what they are doing him is a just a damn shame and a crime.

[@grichkatayou7558]

It seems people who know anything about this story are staring to wake and see all the holes... there are many. in trying to modify the story they are making it INCOHERENT

[@crinklescat1871]

@@grichkatayou7558 yeah like I’m sick of seeing the rouge prince do nothing but trip balls. I understand what they are trying to say, but like we don’t need three episodes of it. Like do they think we are that stupid that it has to be spoonfed to us this hard???? I mean, they are cutting out some huge ass plot lines and pretty important ones. It’s just like how they screwed up blood and cheese. And how aemond think daemon sees him as a threat when daemon doesn’t even think about that dude (not in book canon at least) except for the episodes now and it’s just like huh? In the book before the over the eye he has to point out how Aemond is a coward.

[@nevermoreL89]

Did you bathe with your father at 16? Maybe you need some counseling

[@Zantimae]

Its Criston traumatised for me😂😂 he is shook.. he hasn't seen anything like that... real war.

[@bonbonvegabon]

He has PTSD for sure like Jaime and The Hound.

[@freshprinceofatl]

Someone needs to tell her that Nettles storyline is being replaced by Rhaena and Sheepstealer. Already been confirmed

[@AlexisBii]

@@freshprinceofatl when/where was this confirmed? Heartbreaking if true

[@mickeylombardo1529]

I was today years old when I learned that Otto Hightower is also Luna Lovegood's dad!! 😮

[@tiffanyd124]

I was today years old when I found out he’s spike from Notting hill

[@maritveeber9397]

Also Adrian, son of Satan and older brother of Little Nicky 😁

[@mickeylombardo1529]

@@tiffanyd124 😲😲

[@mickeylombardo1529]

@@maritveeber9397 that one I haven't seen......

[@riceburner26]

Wish they had showed more of Jace and Cregan Stark then this filler 😢

[@doctorajaguar]

Agreed. Also I feel that Daemon in Harrenhal is starting to feel pointless.

[@GrayArea]

Facts

[@gabyzzeetoon4516]

I was so excited to see the north again, feels robbed, what a waste, the writers really suck

[@TimarBih]

You have the best voice for this. I love listening to the content. Keep up the breakdowns please.

[@DorisTheChicken3013]

Another great commentary! I have enjoyed your channel for many years now, but I don’t think I’ve ever commented. Thank you so very much for creating and providing this content. I’m a very busy mom and don’t have the ability to sit down and read books or even watch the shows.you are my companion as I commute back-and-forth to so many places! Thank you again!

[@VAswang]

19:30 mark: “…what the FOOK is going on!” 😂🤣

[@sarahl7348]

They need to show us more dragons and dragon riders interacting with their dragons. I wanted to see Sunfyre with the garrison, Jace riding Vermax, Vermax in the north like give me more dragons not just when it’s time for war.

[@cellachris3441]

I love your voice and your videos. They crack me up. 😂. So glad I found you to watch these videos after the show.

[@jerrybrown970]

The way I see the Daemon arc is that it isn't about Daemon at all. It is the dreams showing him Aemond. It is Aemond that has mommy issues, Aemond that is willing to kill his family for the throne. Once this arc is wrapped up Daemon will have great insight into the inner workings of Aemond's mind.

[@corvega_joe]

Not gon’ lie, this episode felt like filler. The Daemon vision stuff is officially older than Moses.

[@J_ads2000]

Yes but necessary filler. Meleys head, Aemond needs to become king, Rhaenyra getting paranoid about Daemon, Coming up with the idea of dragon seeds… meh but definitely needed to not feel rushed.

[@nodatastored684]

It was Filler... Almost no dragon scenes

[@ruthlys]

It did feel like filler. I was also waiting for Rayna to tell Lady J “but you have full size dragon. What you lack is a dragon rider” 😭

[@JoeUchiha-gs5ru]

I didn't like this episode

[@gregorysmith3234]

I agree

[@dc7117]

Agreed. We'd already seen more than we wanted to of Daemon's hallucinations last time and here they go again. Filler heaven. Right about Daemon needs to get out of Harenhal. I do not like the Aly storyline either.

[@dorothyginda7611]

Its been awhile since ive listened to your channel and im kicking myself. You are so funny and insightful. Adds a whole other way to enjoy HOD.

[@britraebae2754]

I love ur narration in this video. I watch a lot of these GOT/HOTD videos and yours kept my attention fully the entire time, even during subjects which I have already analyzed by listening to a trillion other KZbin channels. As you said in one part of this video; it hits different. Subscribed ❤

[@devorahacts]

How come Baela didn't get a KISS from Jace?!? They're betrothed and BESTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@LeeBeeDeeTree51]

Who needs to see Daemon psychoanalyzed? One of the fascinating things about him was that he lacked introspection. He acts on pure instinct.

[@leiana_yt]

You nailed it! 💯 I was wary of S2 bc of rumors that are turning out to be true. They (I'm gonna blame Hess, since she's been the most vocal abt disliking Daemon), planned to dedicate alot of S2 to "deconstructing" Daemon's character...something no one wanted or needed, esp in the grand scheme of things of the Dance, precisely bc of what you said.

[@grichkatayou7558]

I found my people... 🤣They are volontarily ruining the character , for the ake of what exatly? Imagine you are at war and your greatest general i doing what ? dreaming and acting out of character , wanting to join forces with traitors... etc etc. Now he also wants the crown and i telling anybody he meets ...

[@stealth11]

@@grichkatayou7558 It's aggravating what they're doing with Daemon. Overall too they're making most of the characters unlikable or look weak and stupid, and it's a problem for the show long term. The story of the war is a great tragedy, but we don't need the level of depravity and incompetence that they're showing on both sides.

[@Jiraiyashouse666]

He's becoming Homelander yearning for mommas mams. Drink your milk and get TF on with it!!!

[@dystopianxAM]

Daemon is playing bob the builder in the Riverlands…your commentary is killin me 😂😂😂

[@DngrDan]

I noticed that there is more foreshadowing in this episode than any other episode to date. From Daemon telling Alys that Aemond would kill her on sight to Alfred Broome telling Rhaenyra he'd never go over to the Green side, they're doing so much to set up expectations, and then break them which is good.

[@ajaysworld93]

Seriously how are you so fast to make these videos 😂❤

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

They send her the episodes before they're released.

[@sewgeekdesigns9113]

@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δand they can’t post or say a thing til it comes out 😂I couldn’t keep quiet

[@ajaysworld93]

@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δoh ok makes sense all I can picture is her watching the episode then running to make a video. 😂 dam speed over here. I always come right to her videos after every episode ! The best to catch up on wtf happened in hot D tonight.

[@Red1Green2Blue3]

I loved this episode imo. The Weirwood stuff is getting interesting AND we got a MAJOR lore easter egg at the end which implied something from F&B (that it's NOT just Targaryns or even Valyrians that can dragonride)

[@Tfrexs]

So happy I’m not the only one hating these Daemon scenes! 😅

[@emilywilliams6683]

Excellent analysis. Agree 100% regarding episode and characters. Thank you GrayArea! 🎬

[@estebanquinones8420]

If Daenrys were in this situation she would already be playing tennis in Kingslanding.

[@MrTigerred3]

I was just thinking that, I was like my Danny would be making moves, she was just a natural. Rhaenyra is just not it.

[@baron6588]

Daenerys danced around King’s Landing for an entire season lmao, she’s just as weak a Rhaenyra.

[@deandremallory3842]

lol 6 seasons And Deny had a army when she rent back to Westeros and Vahgar would make easy work of deny three dragons

[@PistachioDean]

No because when GOT was being released fans were complaining so hard that she was never going to make it to Westeros, it took her the majority of the series to get there

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

​@@baron6588thats dumbass Tyrions fault for being a shit hand she would have taken the city the day after she showed up to dragon stone if she fallowed her gut but d&d wouldn't have a shit story to tell anymore.

[@Cersilaria22]

I’m a HUGE HUGE GOT HOTD fan and I watched episode 1-4 just before this one for the 2nd time and found myself fast forwarding through the HH haunting shit, it first interest me it’s like watching something unrelated like a gothic old English horror which is fine just not in the middle of HOTD episodes ❤❤

[@lilly_wonder1893]

“He should be Gwayne from Humbleton cuz he stays humblin’ Cristin” 😂

[@secicu]

Daemon is turning against Rhaenyra though? Kinda explicitly.. He openly tells people he is making a claim on the Throne as king in truth, he is making people swear to him and explicitly not Rhaenyra. Thats treason right there

[@roiscavel3923]

I think we're all suffering from some weird tunnel vision here: we know the books, we know the Dance, we know Fire and Blood, so it feels like it's dragging. But watching this with some non readers (my family), they're really invested. Daemon on Harrenhall is keeping them wondering if he'll actually betray Rhaenyra and put forward his own claim. Those weird(wood tree's) dreams are great at making an unsuspecting audience doubtful about what they know or if they really know the characters. This episode was the aftermath of a great loss for both bands, the image of Targaryen power grows weaker, and fear looms over the whole kingdom. Rook's Rest showed the realm that dragons are just flesh like them, and the Targaryens are no closer to gods than any.

[@Chasingdreams25]

I have to disagree the non readers have not doubt about Daemon's intentions since the writers are making him up to be an antagonist. S1 Daemon was grey and people were questioning his loyalty to his family does he love them or does he love only himself? S2 Daemon is a straight up a villain in all but name. They ruined the character. Once he goes back to Dragonstone, the writers will pull out the "Forget about all what he said in the previous episodes, he is loyal to Rhaenyra " card that will be a major plot hole imo.

[@grichkatayou7558]

@@Chasingdreams25 there are already many plot holes... by the time people wake up, to the fact that these guys have been fumbling since, Rhaenys at the coronation, at the end of last season... whilst everything was going well for almost the entirety of season 1.

[@roiscavel3923]

@@Chasingdreams25 I mean, I'm telling you what I see with my family and they're really weirded out and invested in Daemon. Maybe your own experience with your family and friends is different, but mine seems very positive. The show keeps them wondering after seeing Daemon do some amazing things and some questionable things in season 1. They know Harrenhall and the Old Gods are messing up his mind. In my own personal experience, they're expecting to see what will happen to him or what will he do next. None has called him straight up villainous or evil.

[@aliciasantiago5259]

What are they trying to do can we please get back to the Damon we know and love and hate

[@massasvassa]

Hugh when Cole is parading Meleys severed head: "It's just meat." When Aemond closes the city gates, the imprisoned people cries: "WE WANT MEAT!" ;(

[@postmaddaloni3090]

"i will conquer a cool castle and assert myself as viserys' heir and be an epic dragon king to make the people i love pay attention to me" is almost the exact same move he pulled with dragonstone in season 1, daemon is lashing out because he's frustrated he pushed himself away from rhaenyra and he's forced to confront his deepest insecurities. this is consistent with his previous behaviour.

[@theplanthashira]

How do you make this half-hour long video and upload it 3 minutes after the episode finishes airing? 💀

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

She's given the episodes before they're released to the public.

[@theplanthashira]

@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ how?

[@SonderDAzeX]

@@theplanthashira Film and TV reviewers or reactors are invited to pre screenings or early access, Maybe GrayArea has that access.

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

@@theplanthashira I don't know, but she mentioned it previously.

[@deonhill6044]

Oh yall must haven't heard. Rheana will be taking over for nettles. She will be claiming sheepstealer!!

[@crinklescat1871]

!!!!

[@basementmadetapes]

Good for her character but this is a shit move by the writers. Nettles is a great character and if this is true it’s a total miss. Some characters can’t make the show, I get it, but Nettles doesn’t? The hell is going on

[@gleann_cuilinn]

As far as I know that's just speculation. Nobody has confirmed anything.

[@crinklescat1871]

@@basementmadetapes I always felt that him and nettles had a mentor type relationship. He respected her. And also she might have brought down his ego a good bit. I love the idea of rhrana getting a dragon (but she gets one anyways if i remember right) But nettles was badass. I just have less faith in how they are going to adapt. I’m worried they won’t do her justice. I don’t want her left out but I also don’t want to watch daemon seducing her etc. when it sounds like he was trying to educate her, etc. while Rhaenyra is struggling in KL. And literally grief stricken and paranoid of the shadows. But then what all from fire&blood is true about her? Everything about her was biased as hell and Alicent was praised constantly. I dunno. I’d rather them not screw up a badass character. But she has to be there in some form. I know you have to make changes but I mean they made daemon physically abusive towards his wives and paramours when in canon nyra would have fed his ass to Syrax. Daemon liked strong willed women. Like I always liked that about him. He wants a bad bitch and now the show has him raising arms against the person he died for and took out her biggest enemy as well (which i believe he did for himself too.) 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ At this point I’m sick of what they are doing with daemon and I had hoped the season would end with then flying to KL together but daemon might still be on a damn tea trip or something. So mixed feelings. If you’re going to mess up such a badass character then fine, step away. But Also she’s super important.

[@basementmadetapes]

@@crinklescat1871 I don’t wanna see misrepresented characters either. But that’s the risk of all adaptations. But Blood & Fire is unique as it is told from unreliable perspectives (of varying degrees) so there are lots of opportunities to play w that ambiguity. I do like the Daemon arc that they’ve created here, but I do think it’s run it’s course. I could be way off but the sense I got at the end of this episode is that Daemon realizes he doesn’t want the throne actually, the mundanity of it all seemed to weary him. The arc was about him realizing what exactly he wants among other things. And I say all that just to hilight that second hand history can be manipulated w/o necessarily harming the actual events. Because we’re seeing what the writers wrote about in a sense. So I do hope they have nettles and I hope they get her right. Cuz to me, erasing the one black character from the story is crazy. Like I don’t have no problem w the Valyrians being black. But for the adaptation, Nettles should be there and should be black. But I hope I’m wrong and all this concern is for nothing. I’m ride or die for Nettles haha

[@secicu]

Daemons Scooby doo antics are hilarious!

[@BetweenthePunches]

Your voice is so soothing and round. Subbed!