What did UK Labour actually win?

The Grayzone's Kit Klarenberg and Max Blumenthal analyze British election results, and discuss the victory of Labour amid a dismal turnout evincing lack of enthusiasm from the electorate.
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[@mussabholloway]

Labour won the "Most Zionist" award.

[@zarg05]

40% of the British electorate stayed at home. Other independant partys were frozen out of media or given bad press. Only reform got any positive coverage which is as establishment as it gets until farage criticised the Ukraine stance.

[@basfinnis]

They're strutting about like they've won 99% of the vote 🙄

[@keithparker1346]

Yes it's amazing how many Labour fans online claim they have a mandate

[@davidcolley7714]

@@keithparker1346 Most MPs so they do have a mandate. Strange how the Tories never whined about that system when then won

[@keithparker1346]

@@davidcolley7714 people have been complaining about the unrepresentative nature of fptp for decades

[@davidcolley7714]

@@keithparker1346 Only decades? A whole lot longer than that. So why whine now

[@keithparker1346]

@@davidcolley7714 people have been whining for decades, now with the most distorted votes to seats it's become more obvious

[@PerceivedREALITY999]

Two-party system, the game is rigged.

[@harrymills2770]

We're well past two-party stage. This is uni-party hegemony.

[@devlinX]

Democracy is pretty much rigged everywhere in the Western world from the parties you're allowed to vote for to the policies they're allowed to hold. Media is used to bully politicians into conforming to the corporate line on every issue, if that fails they attack you via the stockmarkets.

[@odinallfarther6038]

The liberals are part of so called duopoly it's not a two party system.

[@PGHEngineer]

It will work in Reform's favour when the vote is split 5 ways.

[@KeithPrince-cp3me]

The Murdoch press switched to supporting Starmer as they could see the Tories were going to lose and Murdoch likes to been as backing a winner , thats why he switched to backing Tony Blair in '97 as the Tories were going to lose, then switched back when Labour under Gordon Brown were clearly going to lose. Now Murdoch's back to supporting a Labour Party under the safe hands of Starmer.

[@projectcyclingfitness1160]

Not just Kid Staver and others flip floppers, Murdoch too - tho you won't here it from the right-wing press

[@keithparker1346]

Safe for the establishment

[@arnedomi]

governing with 20 percent of the vote

[@eberger02]

Think it was about a third, but that is of a low 60% turnout so ends up at 20%, but then there will have been millions more unregistered, so of eligible adults he probably talking 18% registered and left their front door to vote for a Labour candidate, half of whoch probably only voted for him because they wanted the tories out, so let’s be generous and say 10% of the adult population actually support him enough to register and turnout to vote for him.

[@stevebrooks9119]

@@eberger02 Jeez... How desperate is that comment....

[@ScarySox]

@@stevebrooks9119 yeah pointless comments! 🤦

[@keithparker1346]

​@@stevebrooks9119yes imagine criticising our system which has given extreme power to a party that cannot get 40% of the vote

[@vincemarshall8550]

@@stevebrooks9119 why?

[@paulmc6940]

Starmer is in Blair’s pocket as well

[@vestibulate]

@paulmc6940 Mandy and the Vicar. It'll run for years, sponsored by The Donors Group.

[@brucewallace2]

Not a bad analysis. I agree that Labour will become very unpopular in short order.

[@keithparker1346]

Technically with less than 40% of the vote they're unpopular already

[@stevebrooks9119]

@@keithparker1346 Technically KP, with a majority of 170 seats, Labour will be in power for years, with Starmer as PM whether we are popular or not...

[@davidcolley7714]

@@keithparker1346 But first past the post is not a technicality and Labour have a huge majority, get used to it loser

[@robmckenzie2538]

@@stevebrooks9119 With fewer votes than Corbyn got in 2019, Labour's majority of seats is a house of cards, due almost entirely to the collapse of the Tory vote. As the A-team of the British right, the Tories will undoubtedly regroup and consolidate with the result that the next election will likely see the B-team's majority swept away, together with its leader.

[@Hippowdon121]

​@stevebrooks9119 i think that if they are unpopular enough it will become untenable for them to keep governing, just as with the conservatibes

[@fellowcitizen]

Keir Stasimer, Knight of the Centrist Wankfest

[@ibrahimdihum9127]

Thank you for the great analysis Thank MAX and GRAYZONE for speaking the truth as always

[@TheInfamousAlpha]

excellent work - i love this channel

[@doreenhollywood7459]

False results. Election was held when all Scottish schools were on Holiday so half of Scottish voters were away and could not vote. Requested Postal votes in Scotland did not arrive in time for people to vote. SNP had a very large number of votes, but people also voted to get rid of conservative. I am totally disgusted with the election process as Scotland never gets the government we vote for. Starmer is even more corrupt that Sunak

[@stevebrooks9119]

Stop the steal...!!

[@firebyrd437]

The postal votes were shambles. I received 2 ballot papers. Of course, I only returned one, but how many could have voted twice. It's interesting that our county is a labour run council. Your right about the holidays as well I saw many comments of people unable to vote because their ballot papers didn't come. Perhaps the choice of the election date was also to knobble Scottish voters who vote SNP as they know our holidays start well before England's do

[@Hippowdon121]

In England didnt receive my postal vote either

[@v.g.4817]

Challenging times ahead.

[@piotrberman6363]

It was a brilliant victory, like a spectacular battle when a smaller army overwhelms a larger one, say Hannibal at Cannae. But this time, who won? Clearly, this victory was achieved in stages, getting rid of Corbyn, a series of purges in the Labour party with the last purge immediately before the elections, this gave Starmer not just a majority, but a majority of well screened MPs. In business terms, it was like a multilayer ownership structure, a tycoon family owns majority of shares in corporation A, this corporation has majority of shares in corporation B, sometimes you have yet more layers. I think that having early election helped Starmer, alternatives to Labour did not have time to unite and organize. That makes me think that the group that won includes Sunak himself, a businessman temporarily conscripted to a boring time consuming job.

[@devlinX]

Establishment continuity party, nothing has changed and the new government is no more competent or less corrupt than the previous government.

[@firebyrd437]

You're right Starmer has already clocked up £67,000 in freebies so far including his clothes and glasses. Not illegal but immoral as many folk struggle to put food on the table

[@wbafc1231]

Max, The british Labour Party was never in it's history an anti-colonialist party.

[@fibanacci8]

As always...fine content..

[@friendlyadvice7302]

From 1922 to current year, the uni-party wins again!

[@timbarry5080]

Kirs Starmer... kid starver

[@user-wl2xl5hm7k]

*2 of 2. This is how you always need to vote:* We must fully resist and _always vote_ *against* (& less authoritarian than) both the Democratic *and* Republican Parties- including Trump, Vivek Ramaswamy, Rand Paul (He’s _no_ Ron Paul), Thomas Massie, Warren Davidson, Ron Johnson, and all other Republicans. Vote in every single election- at all levels. And also _endorse or anti-endorse,_ in all elections you can, for outside your voting jurisdiction. For _all_ public positions. And this same strategy applies against the same one or more party-monopolies in _all_ countries worldwide. Real libertarians will never be Republicans or Republican loyalists. Never vote for _any_ Democratic member or loyalist either. If no candidates for a position fit that bill: -Where _write-ins_ are permissible, always write-in an anti-authoritarian person; -Where write-ins aren’t permissible, always vote uncommitted or leave the ballot blank. This will continuously reduce the power of _all_ authoritarian parties in the party monopolies. Until our task is complete. Repeat strategy for all new authoritarian parties that emerge.

[@sarachiba6012]

Thank You 🏵🐌🍂

[@mrboston8070]

Conard like they made up the word trope. How ridiculous can it get.

[@stevejagger8602]

A friend of mine suggested that the Tory party would clutch at the straw of Proportional Representation to improve its public image at the next general election? I would interested to know Kit's view?

[@lawrencetaylor4101]

Swiss Intelligence Whisperers.

[@user-wl2xl5hm7k]

*1 of 2. This is how you always need to vote:* We must fully resist and _always vote_ *against* (& less authoritarian than) both the Republican/Conservative *and* Democratic/Labour Parties- including AOC, all of the squad, Bernie Sanders, Edward Markey, Mark Pocan, the justice democrats, Biden & all other democrats. Vote in every single election- at all levels. And also _endorse or anti-endorse,_ in all elections you can, for outside your voting jurisdiction. For _all_ public positions. And this same strategy applies against the same one or more party-monopolies in _all_ countries worldwide. Real progressives will never be Democratic Members or Democratic loyalists. Never vote for _any_ Republican member or loyalist either. If no candidates for a position fit that bill: -Where _write-ins_ are permissible, always write-in an anti-authoritarian person; -Where write-ins aren’t permissible, always vote uncommitted or leave the ballot blank. This will continuously reduce the power of _all_ authoritarian parties in the party monopolies. Until our task is complete. Repeat strategy for all new authoritarian parties that emerge.

[@julesbrunton1728]

In other words, vote harder, you haven't fully succumbed to the lie

[@christopherkucia1071]

So keep voting just for the VOTES and election to be rigged… and then if voting actually does work and ISNT just an illusion of a freedom, then we can expect martial law…

[@jaderington]

I've had to spoil my ballot paper 📃 at the last three elections. A politically homeless Brexitre. I would of voted for Corbyn if he hadn't betrayed the Brexit vote. But he turned out to be spineless anyway.

[@eberger02]

No mention of that very strange withdrawal of the candidate from Nigel Farage’s seat. The conspiracy of there being a conspiracy between Labour and Reform seem to far fetched but removing only 1 candidate in contravention of the Labour Party rules, which say they have to compete everywhere, was very weird. Maybe normalisation if not having candidates in preparation for a “progressive” (centrist) alliance…

[@arymus]

the thinking on this is that current Labour favoured Reform positioning as major opposition. They wanted Farage in place and have set precedent for ejecting BIPOC members already anyway. It means that they can more easily place the party as being left of the popular far right without actually being in any way 'socialist' or even vaguely progressive. We can look at Macron's centrist govt and enabling of the far-right in France as a credible example of the direction that UK Labour is taking us. Starmer is painfully uncreative and unimaginative so we just need to look at who and what he is copying to guess where he aims to take us.

[@eberger02]

@@arymus I’m not sure that thinking makes sense as with FPTP it was never likely they would have more MP than the conservatives. Plus it requires a level of intelligence I don’t think Sir Keir and Co have. In any case, whatever the reason for the withdrawal to talk about the U.K. elections but not mention the strangest thing about the election is an oversight for the Grayzone.

[@stevebrooks9119]

Jeez, he wasn't 'removed'. At that stage of the GE it's Labour Party policy to review the 'winability' of all the seats and to move resources away from the 'unwinnable' to support the marginal seats. This includes requiring the candidates to canvas in seats other than their own. This occurs across the country and my own CLP here in Cheshire benefitted from help from the candidate in a nearby constituency which was deemed 'unwinnable'. So no conspiracy I'm afraid....just a better use of scarce resources...

[@eberger02]

@@stevebrooks9119 name a candidate who has been removed as a Labour candidate like this before? If it’s party policy there will have been loads.

[@S34NP4THURL]

Need to factor in the Reform UK - right wing populists - damaged Conservatives, Labour & independent candidates, especially the Tories.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

God is sovereign central authority unity, people are confederation

[@colincampbell4261]

Yip - they did win!

[@ScarySox]

@colincampbell4261 No, the Torys lost, Labour got 1,000,000 less votes than JC got when he lost!

[@dawnerickson7199]

He lost me on the first sentence, calling the Tories conservatives

[@M3talr3x]

Oy bruv, you've a loicense for that vote?

[@celestialteapot309]

Nigel Farage may well be PM in 2029

[@arymus]

But we do have several years to build a newer, more powerful left-wing from the grassroots up.

[@Samuel-hd3cp]

Not Farage, but Tice certainly.

[@mehdi_so]

🌹🌹

[@ianHolmes-up2oc]

People moaning about labour winning the election need to get over it

[@boba2783]

Wtf has happened to this channel??????

[@basfinnis]

Dunno mate, I think it's great. Daily Mail Online more your cup of tea?

[@soulabear9146]

​@@basfinnis😂🤣😂 my thoughts exactly... Maybe our comrade above believes in The Left/Right Paradigm. And one should never speak/question against their Team😂

[@ashfield1425]

What do you mean?

[@odinallfarther6038]

⁠​⁠@@soulabear9146I find it strange that the people who talk about there not being a left right paradigm are mostly on the right who feel we should all move to the right . 🤔

[@tiggtiggs]

👌​@@odinallfarther6038