What Did Voldemort See In Kings Cross? SOLVED! | Harry Potter Film Theory

[@boomsandapples2640]

My theory for why Dumbledore was in King's Cross: Basically, in my opinion, everybody passes through Limbo when they die, and they can either pass on, or pay a price and "return" as a ghost. Most people choose to pass on, and some choose to return as a ghost, but Dumbledore did neither. He simply waited in Limbo for who knows how long (because time probably works differently there). This is because he knew that eventually, Harry would arrive, and he might need Dumbledore's help and guidance in defeating Voldemort. And when Harry finally visited, Dumbledore gave him one last piece of advice about the nature of Limbo, before finally passing on.

[@quentindiaz9418]

That's it! That's gotta be it! Makes sense to me.

[@logic_bot3753]

Yeah exactly, And i think voldemort too was in limbo with harry (as that mutilated body) but he wasn't able to hear nor see anything cause of the condition of his soul. Otherwise harry would have met both Dumbledore and voldemort in kings cross. And i think that voldemort will be stuck at limbo cause his 'soul body' was unable to move by himself.

[@DONK0]

The Dumbledore at kings cross was just Harry imagining what Dumbledore would act like and say. Not the real Dumbledore.

[@quentindiaz9418]

@@DONK0 let us believe this, because after all, our theories is happening inside our heads.

[@logic_bot3753]

@@DONK0 then how would he know details about things that harry got no clue about?

[@minetimecake628]

Voldemort waking from pain also gives an explanation for why he sent Narcissa to see if Harry was dead: he was afraid that he would feel the pain again.

[@TheBrothergreen]

Not just pain, but weakness. Helplessnes. Fear.

[@ToriP66]

This is exactly what I came away with when listening to this. 😮

[@omgilovesteak6484]

;o@@ToriP66

[@MrKingYuji]

I also think he sent Narcissa because he considered her the most useless person present. Voldemort was worried something bad might happen if he approached Harry. So he sent the wife of the disgraced Lucius Malloy to check, in case something dangerous occurred.

[@lazyscholar7932]

​@MrKingYuji She's also his favorite death eater's sister.

[@Rainbow.Pegacorn.Cosplay]

I admire Narcissa for straight-up lying to Voldemort by saying that Harry was dead as thanks for confirming that Draco was alive and well. Unlike Lucius, she deserved a Parent Of The Year award.

[@TraciPeteyforlife]

Mothers will burn down anyone in there way. When it comes to protecting their children. Narcissa loved her son, more than pure blood bs. Along with any slight respect or straight up fear for Tommy boy.

[@alexanderdraganov1847]

She had some real balls to do it, considering Voldy has a proclivity for occlimency

[@SingingSealRiana]

She is badass, we know nothing about her but how her family and then her husband pushed her into racism and elitarism but the one thing she are shown of her own accord is she would do anything for her son and is willing to pay every price. Saving hary earned her nothing at this point, but the fact he showed mercy to her son earned him her loyalty..... With that she has an integrity seen in few people in the series....

[@SingingSealRiana]

​@@TraciPeteyforlifeit does not look like that was ever her belief, contrasting to bella and lucius she never showed any passion for it just being a good daugter/fife to families that did. The one time we actually se her chose something It's love, loyalty and integrity

[@Rainbow.Pegacorn.Cosplay]

@@SingingSealRiana Which is why we see her hightail it from the Battle of Hogwarts after Harry's revealed to still be alive.

[@Xenon49747]

Just realized how scary Harry must be to the death eaters at the end. "The boy who lived" just got the magic equivalent of a headshot, was exclaimed dead, brought to be paraded around hogwarts, to then just get up and keep fighting. I can see all the "is he immortal?" thoughts now.

[@TheLindsayKnudsen]

Also think about how Voldemort fact checked narcissa by hitting Harry with like three crucio’s back to back to make sure he was really dead. And Harry doesn’t make a sound or twitch. They all saw that. Making them assume he really was dead or can choose to ignore unforgivables. Also that without doing anything dragged Voldemort with him for avada kedavra. They would absolutely fear him. Even if he’s not Merlin skill and power wise he’s protected by fate itself which is arguably worse.

[@MrKingYuji]

I always thought that might be another reason Narcissa lied. She saw Harry tank the killing curse with her own eyes, no flukes or last minute protection this time. She was probably thinking he really is the chosen one.

[@TheDurid1]

I like a fanfic where they were telling people that Harry had more magic than life in him. He's just not gonna die until he is willing to do so. It was an ongoing joke. But a good one.

[@LisaG442]

This was evident by how many death eaters disaperated immediately on Harry jumping up very much alive

[@Juan-sx1nj]

Another copy of the Gospel lol

[@patrikskovalovs5692]

the moment you said that Voldemort was with them in the limbo I imagined the full Voldemort, harry and Dumbledore just walking talking to each other like I imagine their actors would after finishing the movie.

[@Ethan-wr2os]

Nah Voldemort greatly fears death, he wouldn't be walking around nonchalantly

[@InevitableUniverse]

*voldemort running around screaming in kings cross* Harry: uhhhh.... Dumbledore: oh he's been doing that a while. Just ignore him

[@josiahjv6155]

​@@Ethan-wr2os😊😊😊😊

[@TheLindsayKnudsen]

@@InevitableUniversethat chill vibe too is so dumbledore. Like oh it’s fine. He does that sometimes. No big deal.

[@Drgn8DDragonsDungeon]

The Voldemort "baby" also just reminds me of what was tossed into the cauldron in goblet of fire when Voldemort was "reborn"

[@UOFKfan100]

I think his rudimentary body and his limbo form are very similar in nature. Consider his explanation to the death eaters at the graveyard of when he lost his body "pain beyond explanation" or something like that he said. I theorize when he was in his ghost mist form in Albania he was in constant pain similar to what he would feel in death. His spirit was tethered to life removed from a body and unable to move on, something that must be a spiritually painful experience. His death pain was much like his tethered to life pain. I think he knew what he would feel in the end and was just determined to stop it no matter what. There would be no going back, no remorse, no regrets. He just went for it and it cost him. He was determined to defeat that feeling no matter the stakes.

[@mariolucario493]

I think the reason for why Dumbledore is able to appear in King’s Cross Limbo is because Dumbledore himself has also become a “master of death.” Remember, he owned all three Deathly Hallows in his life (though not at the same time), and he accepted his death when he asked Snape to kill him.

[@garywarburton3124]

I think Dumbledore is the form death turned up has, like the book said about the third brother "death turned up like a friend" i actually believe since harry soul was intact and his mother protection was in voldemort he ended up in limbo which death turned up has a friend and gave him a choice since he had two options un like any other characters in the story

[@cherryb893]

This. Being "Master of Death" simply means being at peace with the fact that one day, your life is going to end.

[@meacadwell]

@@garywarburton3124 I never thought of it like that - it fits very well.

[@brojajacra]

He didnt own all three deathly hallows.He only ever borrowed the cloak

[@ceu160193]

@@brojajacra He had wand, he found ring(although already cursed) and he borrowed the cloak, so he did interact with all 3 deathly hallows.

[@Jeyricho]

One additional piece that might be worth digging into, that flayed baby form in Harry's vision is not the first time Voldemort Prime took on this appearance. All through Book 4, until Wormtail's ritual in the graveyard, Voldemort's corporeal form was the flayed baby. I think that's pretty convincing evidence that the flayed baby was not the accidental Horcrux in Harry, but Voldemort Prime himself, fighting for his life to continue to exist after once again failing to kill Harry.

[@joebakb]

I mean, maybe. But also remember that was just the cinematic portrayal of events. Maybe they made the baby thinger prop for Goblet of Fire and decided to cover it in ketchup and reuse it.

[@oscarmartir7562]

Interesting point you make. Although I believe the baby is more of a physical representation of a soul because Harry is the actual Horcraux. The exception is that Harry is a human, not an object. And I believe it’s the reason why, along with having obtained the resurrection stone, Harry is able to choose to return or pass on

[@matthias4]

I can't believe I never knew Harry lived 9 ¾ years in the Muggle world!

[@Alysa-Aiday]

I always interpret the... skeletal baby Voldemort thing as trapped there forever, seeing - In the Deathly Hallows book - Harry warns him: "I've seen your fate unless you try for some remorse, and it's not pretty, Buddy". So, to me, since Tom didn't try to rebuild his shattered soul, Harry kills him, & he's just stuck as that starved skeletal baby thing in Limbo.... forever; Unable to return to life or pass on into death.

[@mastercraft64]

That's how I interpreted it as well

[@kaytlinjustis5643]

Honestly, I thought that way, too. Even if Voldemort reattached every soul fragment together, I'd think he'd still be in limbo; unable to live and unable to die, because he did the one thing that Nature would never do in the first place.

[@moonstonepearl21]

@@kaytlinjustis5643 If he were actually able to put all the pieces of his soul together maybe he would be able to finally pass on, but I'm sure it would take a really long time.

[@evan8168]

@@moonstonepearl21 He can't because each piece of his soul was destroyed when their horcrux was destroyed. There are only like 2 fragments of his soul he could put together. He wouldn't be whole, but it would allow him to return to life, though likely only as a dark blob thing, or "boggart", as his soul only had the fear part left of it. So he'd have to come back as a being of fear. So Voldemort is stuck in eternal suffering and pain forever... That's a really grim, hellish outcome for him, with no chance of redemption, repentance, or of ever attaining or finding any light or love ever again...

[@moonstonepearl21]

@@evan8168 We can't say for sure if they were actually destroyed as in no longer existing or if they are all in limbo or someplace else in the afterlife. That mutilated baby form could have contained all parts of his soul, aside from Nagini, but he still looks like that because he's so damaged. We don't know in detail how it all works.

[@Devlinator61116]

I always assumed that Harry's mind interepted Limbo as King's Cross Station as invoking the "A Form You Are Comfortable With" trope. It is a location comprehensible to Harry, but, as a train station, it is also a liminal space.

[@frankrobinsjr.1719]

Remember what Dumbledore said when Harry told him it was King's Cross Station? He looked around and said; "Really?" I think it was the station because that was what made Harry comfortable, something he understood. I don't think Tom actually saw King's Cross Station. I'm not sure he saw Harry and Dumbledore at all. I think he saw the cemetery in Little Hangleton where his family was buried. The grandparents and father he had killed.

[@adammartinez8061]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@ladyluly4059 And Fred probably sees the Burrow.

[@MagicCardboardBox]

Isn't aesthetically representative metaphor a part of that trope anyway?

[@MrKingYuji]

It has two interpretations: 1. kings cross is what Harry considered crossing into another world, since that is where he goes to Hogwarts. So his mind connects kings cross to going to the next world. 2. Harry Potter is a Messianic character who just died to protect the world from the satanic serpentine Voldemort. King’s Cross title invoked religious symbolism.

[@rcavicchijr]

I always agreed with your original interpretation. I thought the regular Voldemort just got blasted off of his feet due to a combination of magical feedback for hitting Harry while sharing his blood, destroying his own horcrux, and resistance because the elder wand would resist killing it's owner which was Harry.

[@hackman669]

Yep, by trying to kill Harry Voldy only managed to finish off himself. In the book it is explained that Voldy was killed by his own curse backfiring. Also Harry never used a killing curse even in battle. He only wanted to deflect curses or knock out opponents. 😄

[@MrKingYuji]

JK confirmed that Voldemort was present as the deformed baby creature, that’s what is left of Voldemort’s soul. Harry and Voldemort were bound by multiple connections so both of them traveled to limbo.

[@Bong33333]

Link ?@@MrKingYuji

[@parryxxlivxx]

@@MrKingYuji I don't know what the book says and maybe that contradicts this, but in the movie Dumbledore explicitly says that it is a 'part of Voldemort's soul come here to die', which to me seems a pretty solid argument for the case that it is only the horcrux-bit of Voldemort's sould and not the 'Voldemort prime' bit

[@NYRCentral]

I can agree that the part of him that he destroyed in Harry was gone the minute the curse happened, but couldn’t that have been just Harry projecting what just happened? Like he wasn’t actually in kings cross, Voldemort wasn’t actually there either

[@geekroom2365]

But like they said, that doesn't explain the conversation with Dumbledore, how harry leaves kings cross with knowledge about his family and grindelwald that he ONLY could've gotten from the man himself.

[@michaeledmunds7056]

​@@geekroom2365Just because Dumbledore is actually there doesn't mean Voldemort is.

[@geekroom2365]

@michaeledmunds7056 yea but op suggests that neither Harry nor voldemort was there, hence my comment

[@willnestor6422]

@@geekroom2365 The book clearly states that it's happening inside Harry's head so explaining whether it is the real Dumbledore or not is irrelevant.

[@geekroom2365]

@willnestor6422 buuuuut also that its real? So couldn't it also be in voldemort's head and be real?

[@sarahglover3286]

I thought he just blacked out for seconds!

[@picklesprinkle2504]

Harry also only actually is blacked out for around the same time as Voldemort.

[@sarahglover3286]

@@picklesprinkle2504 But it had actually been a few seconds!

[@felicityanne979]

I've always thought Harry's body has to die temporarily due to the container needing to be destroyed... because that's why the basilisk venom didn't destroy the soul fragment in COS but then revives himself... in real time it may have literally been a couple seconds but in limbo it would be 10+ minutes. But Harry's heart had to stop in my mind

[@chadfry7863]

​@@picklesprinkle25048:28 8:33

[@chadfry7863]

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[@grec.]

Voldemort didn't have a whole soul like Harry, Albus, James, Lily, Sirius, Lupin, Cedric. I think Voldemort most likely wouldn't be able to decide anything in limbo. He probably blacked out for a few minutes and since his soul was a 7th of what a soul must be, it was completely damaged. 🤔

[@ryanlewis7761]

8th. 7 horcrux’s plus main body

[@kaydriho3905]

But the horcruxes aren't equal pieces. The soul splits in half every time Voldemort creates one (Like the Diary is 50% of a Voldemort, etc).

[@grec.]

@@ryanlewis7761 truth, 8th.

[@grec.]

@@kaydriho3905 but his soul is still his soul so will always remain 50% ... Idk. 🤔 Let's try this math using the 'half of half of half of half of half..: 1-Diary: 50% 2-Ring: 25% (in the ring, but still 50 percent of his soul... So idk) 3-The Locket: 12.5% 4-Hufflepuff's cup: 6.25% 5-the diadem: 3.124% 6-Harry: 1.562% 7-Nagini 0.2531% (????) I'm not sure this is the way "half of half of half ..." Should be extracted, but to me is not possible. Like he had a damaged soul but 0.2331???? Less than 1%? I don't know. To me must be always his 50% and it was deteriorated because it had less substance but not less than. 1%. Idk 🤔 Interesting point though. I am curious as of how the math is done, because sounds very logic, but something's not right about it.

[@jplayzow]

​​@@grec.very time you create a horcrux your current amount of soul is halved after the first horcrux he has half then 25 12.5 etc every last piece has exactly half of the soul he had when creating it by 8 he'd have less than a percent which is what we assume to see in the train station

[@noyou2020]

I choose to go with the head canon that it was the fragment of Voldemort’s soul in Harry there and Voldemort was in his own limbo either completely alone or being tortured by his past.

[@TheEmeraldSwordMusic]

Or he just blacked put after the effort blowing up his soul. I don't think he went anywhere at all

[@DONK0]

It's hardly head canon that the bloody baby was the fraction of Voldemort's soul inside harry.

[@Jim-pq9pm]

"I've seen what you'll become" pretty much proves it.

[@OfTheiAm]

from the book, But the movie doesn't have those lines, Either way its confusing But if double dore said in both books and movies "Its a piece of voldermorts soul come here to die" that also proves our cannon lol, I seriously thought it was obvious that the baby thing was teh piece inside harry, no need for immiediant death, The other horrocrux's put up a fight before they died as well@@Jim-pq9pm

[@KaladinVegapunk]

I think it's moot, whether it was fragment or prime it's still telling us that's what he has in store for him. He can't become a cognitive shadow from inside shadedmar because he was so heavily invested.. Sorry wrong canon

[@arinerm1331]

Heyyy Brothers! I've just conclusively figured out the source of the golden flames shot from Harry's wand of its own accord. That was the piece of Riddle's soul inside Harry defending itself against the person who would destroy its container. **This** is exactly the reason why Dumbledore knew that Harry had to face Voldemort UNARMED when Harry went to his death. Had Harry held a wand, the piece of soul would have had a weapon.

[@zoenightshade3053]

I really like this theory! Not all of the horcruxes seemed to have a defense mechanism (cup and diadem) or at least they were never engaged, but the locket, the diary, and the ring did. Nagini is a snake, so that is just kind of its own built in defense, just by the nature of snakes. Perhaps the piece of Voldemort's soul inside Harry could tell when Harry was going to defend himself successfully or not. For example, in the Chamber Harry was actively fighting to survive, so the soul didn't do anything, but when Harry was in the motorbike, he was just sitting there, and unable to actively defend himself, so the soul did all the work. I still think the graveyard duel had some effect though. Almost like Voldemort gave that little piece of soul the stored up energy, so to speak, to defend itself.

[@Jim-pq9pm]

@@zoenightshade3053 Does that explain why Harry unconsciously defended himself when Voldemort attacked Harry when he was with Hagrid?

[@haleyeakes1034]

​@@Jim-pq9pmyes! This was the golden flames scene

[@Jim-pq9pm]

@@haleyeakes1034 I've heard other say it was his Phoenix wand that caused him to do that, and they sometimes act on their own accord

[@MordechaiHershoffyoutube]

One huge problem, How does a 7th of Voldemort's soul have more knowledge then Voldemort himself? All the defenses that Horcrucx's get around them are put by the maker (possession would probably be only as strong as the maker possessing ability).

[@andreab380]

Headcanon: Bellatrix's soul, flayed and damaged as it must be by all her cruely, but still not literally broken apart and enfeebled like Voldemorts', finds him in Limbo and takes him with her - because of course she loves him.

[@Kalahridudex]

Side note, I genuinely love the fact than makings youtube commentary about Harry Potter is an actual job that pays rent and everything. What a time to be alive.

[@tyga1976]

That makes so much sense that’s why voldermort asked to check if he was alive because he heard the whole conversation and wanted to know if it was real or just his head

[@yasi5670]

Can I have a suggestion for a theory?? Why James or lily wasn't their own secret keeper?? Because Arthur and Bill weasley were the secret keeper of their own house.

[@kaiseremotion854]

potentials are : 1)they were too proud/overconfident/trusting in their friends 2) instead of the secret being of the house it was of lily and james themselves, so they can't be the secret keeper, else they would be trapped as invisible for everyone else

[@yamahakid450f]

I love the Harry Potter series, but it's full of plot holes...If the Weasleys knew to do that, Dumbledor of all people would of recommended it even if James and Lily didn't think about it. Or just make Dumbledor the secret keeper, no one will mess with him even if someone finds out he's the secret keeper, and if they somehow managed to get to him, Albus would never tell after giving them his word....Not unless he knew he'd be needed to defeat Voldemort, then maybe, because I'm canon, I believe he knew Sirius was innocent the whole time and let him rot in prison, solely because he needed Harry at the Dursleys.. With Sirius free, Harry would go with him and grow up in the Wizarding world, he wouldn't have his mother's protection, and growing up with Sirius could change who Harry is... Life at the Dursleys provided him with major character development, which I think is why he is who he is in canon... So thanks Dursley, you asshole, you helped save the world that you hate and you didn't even know it.

[@SgtSupaman]

@@yamahakid450f , I don't think Dumbledore "let" an innocent Sirius rot in prison. He isn't some all-powerful god. He couldn't stop them from taking an innocent Hagrid to prison. He couldn't stop them from expelling an innocent Hagrid in the first place (even after becoming the headmaster, he couldn't reinstate Hagrid's education and was only able to hire him as a groundskeeper until his innocence was actually proven). Even if he knew Sirius was innocent, which I really doubt he did considering he knew better than anyone the motive behind trying to kill Peter, there wasn't much he could do to free a convicted man.

[@kaiseremotion854]

@@yamahakid450f iirc its confirmed dumbledore volunteered to be their secret keeper but they declined and instead wanted sirius to be the secret keeper

[@yasi5670]

@@kaiseremotion854 your answer kinda makes sense 🤔

[@voxorox]

No. Dumbledore himself said that was a piece of Voldemort that Voldy himself had killed with the curse. He also says this: "Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry. Why should that meant that it's not real?" That whole sequence is INSIDE Harry's head. That was the piece of Voldemort's soul that had been inside him. If Voldemort had a similar limbo experience, it would have been completely separate, because how would Voldy's main piece of soul jump into Harry's head without killing Voldy's main body?

[@arinerm1331]

I like your thinking, but remember the book canon: Hermione gave a complete exposition in Deathly Hallows, explaining that the concealed piece of soul cannot exist outside its container. Once the container is destroyed beyond magical repair, that piece of soul ceases to exist. Voldemort destroyed Harry, so that piece of his soul -- which was the source of golden flames -- ceased to exist.

[@Jareddyck]

Somehow I imagine Harry and Voldemort reuniting in this limbo state one final time when Harry officially dies later in his life and Harry would somehow find a way to offer him a way to finally move on. Would Voldy finally change then?

[@yawninglion1677]

What would happen if Voldemort tried to turn Barty Crouch Jr into a Horcrux? He's soulless, so, would Voldemort fully possess him?

[@leseney17]

Bamboozled!

[@Jim-pq9pm]

Barty was a warrior at heart. Hated cowards, fiercely loyal

[@treyjames8802]

@@leseney17bonus points to your house for the perfect word at the perfect time

[@Larka661]

I heard a theory that once all the Horcruxes were destroyed and in his duel with Harry, the elder wand rebounded (again) and his "soul" was stuck in limbo for the rest of eternity. Basically, because of what he did to his soul, it cannot "go on". So technically, Voldemort cursed his life, by making his first Horcruxe.

[@TheLindsayKnudsen]

That’s not a theory that’s canon. What’s even worse is he lived a short life for a wizard even with all he did to live forever. He would have lived longer by not doing anything. And worse even still is the afterlife is eternal. So for a short life on earth he gets to suffer eternally.

[@Kayd2111]

In my opinion Voldy was just in pain and unable to see anything or move. Possibly deaf due to the pain as well. If not he would’ve known Harry wasn’t dead, and would know what Dumbledore had told him. Maybe he heard everyone he ever killed screaming at him all at once?

[@scarlettrose2746]

And now I have this image in my head of poor Murtle just screaming at Voldemort becouse he is responsible for her horrible existence 😭

[@Kayd2111]

@@scarlettrose2746 omggg 🤣🤣🤣💀💀 never thought of that until now

[@cherryb893]

I wonder if he wanted immortalily because he feared reprisals from everyone he murdered or had murdered?

[@Kayd2111]

@@cherryb893 anything is possible, but my theory has always been that he was a sociopath and never even thought about his victims other than when he decided to end them. He was so self centered and cocky he never thought anyone would ever be close to defeating him, and I don’t think he thought about the possibility of his victims coming for him. He had researched horcruxes before Myrtle so I truly think he just wanted to be the greatest dark wizard and live/rule forever. I could definitely be wrong

[@freddy4371]

I kinda feel the need to write a fanfiction about old Harry saving Voldemort, who had suffered for 60 years in limbo, by finally making him feel remorse and taking him with him to the afterlife

[@DieEineMieze]

Literally impossible

[@levigoodrich5276]

a better word would be implausible, the remorse would have to be for the wrongness of the action not the consequences of said action, but I think that a older and wiser harry would wait and help voldimort feel that remorse, no matter how long it takes

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

❤❤

[@davidw.2791]

There is a fanfic + comic on tumblr that did it with Dumbledore.

[@levigoodrich5276]

@@davidw.2791 Is it any good, and if it is could tell me the name?

[@patty4349]

I think the way you perceive the space is different for each person, which is why Dumbledore asks Harry how he percieves it. Dumbledore doesn't see the same thing as Harry does.

[@CheezsterYT]

Plz make: "What If Dudley Was A Wizard". It could be another eight-part series and I'd LOVE IT

[@Ollie.H-23]

No one with Vernon Dursely's DNA is magical at all.

[@retro_gamer8587]

@@Ollie.H-23 True, but Aunt Petunia's sister Lily is magical. So maybe Dudley would inherit his magical talent from his Aunt Lily?

[@Ollie.H-23]

@@retro_gamer8587 Nah, don't think so. Lily was a Muggle-Born, Petunia is an actual Muggle, not even a Squib. Vernon is the most Muggle Muggle to ever Muggle. Dudley would never be Magical.

[@richardmontano4473]

🥳💯🔼

[@michelveenstra9906]

They already did😅

[@DarkScorpio2014]

So going off of this theory, you could say that Voldemort achieved his goal of gaining immortality. Just maybe not the way he wanted or intended to do so.

[@ChronoXShadow]

I'd like to think that you see your own version of limbo when you die. I think the reason Volde didn't see one is because he was still tethered to life via Nagini.

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

“Be a man [not a monster].” Harry is so unselfish, he really did try. I wish these lines were in the film.

[@TheVeyZ]

I badly wanted it to end how it did in the book. With them circling each other, everyone watching, Harry asking Voldemort to a least try to show some remorse.

[@dramaturge231]

I’ve always assumed that monstrosity in King’s Cross Station/Limbo was Voldemort Prime.

[@frankrobinsjr.1719]

When Dumbledore asks: "Really?" when Harry tells him they are in King's Cross Station and Dumbledore looks around, I thought everyone sees something different. I don't think, therefore, that Voldemort's soul fragment actually sees King's Cross Station.

[@suscy2202]

Theory idea: Could a ghost be revived in the same way as Voldemort in GoF. He said himself that he was "less than the meanest ghost" so could a ghost be revived

[@tekbox7909]

no while voldemort in that situation was less influential than a ghost he was still a piece of soul while a ghost is nothing but an imprint of a person. a shadow of their selves so to say

[@cassiolins1203]

@@tekbox7909 But if that is the case, where is the soul of the ghosts?

[@ginnyjollykidd]

I think not. A horcrux tethers you to mortal life, while a ghost doesn't have a horcrux. However, all the ghosts are whole Souls, too, and they had the choice to pass on to paradise or remain as ghosts. Sir Nicholas was afraid of the afterlife, so he chose to be a ghost and stay attached to the mortal realm, though he is not able to enjoy it much. I can think, though that the Hufflepuff friar remained-or maybe even returned-for an afterlife of service to the school. I do believe, though, that the ghosts can pass on when they decide to. They are not of the mortal realm, and they are whole Souls, so I think they have that right. The people Harry sees when he uses the resurrection stone are whole Souls, too. They have the right to move on.

[@zacharyanderson3791]

A ghost has died, they have no true anchor to the world. I think Harry going back was the same process a ghost goes through, the soul reentering the physical world. Harry had an anchor, his body, he hadn't truly died, he simply followed Voldemort's soul fragment into Limbo. Had Harry chosen to go i think his body would have continued to live as one who had experienced the dementor's kiss, alive but lacking consciousness. Sincd Harry's body lived his soul was able to reinhabit it. A ghost, whose body had died, could only manifest an imprint of themselves, an insubstantial facimile of their consciousness and body. A ghost could not get a new body with the same potion Wormtail made for Voldemort. This is because Voldemort had not died, his anchor to the material world hadn't been cut. The horcruxes were his body so to speak. A ghost had no body and no anchor. Voldemort was in essence posessing a new, more permanent body that was a copy of his original, but his true anchors to life were always his horcruxes, not the body wormtail made for him

[@tekbox7909]

@@cassiolins1203 moved on

[@vixaddnorakura2980]

Video Title: "What did Voldemort see in Kings Cross?" Random moment in the video: Eggplant pattern purple underwear. 😂

[@Zeke_O3773]

Good theory. I’m not sure Dumbledore was actually in limbo. The subconscious has a way of filling in the pieces to protect the mind during trauma. And not all of it was accurate as we found out with Albus’ meeting Grindelwald comment. As Dumbledore said, “Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” Theory idea: What if Dumbledore had let Voldemort hit Harry with the killing curse at the Ministry in Order of the Phoenix?

[@juyjuka]

Hello @hapiness737373, Hello @SuperCarlinBrothers, @happiness737373 seams to be right I think. Frist: Harry has a habit to project his own ideas in his head onto other people and then have that fictional version tell him the ideas. He had more then once Hermiones' or Ron's voice in his head, telling him things Harry already knew. Second: Did Harry actually get any new information in limbo? I read that conversation multiple times but could not point to any, any information that is a provable thing that he did not already know. The most topics he discusses with Dumbledore/him-self there are feelings and intentions of dead people, that are unproven and do not matter - because the resulting deeds have already been done, even if Harry guessed the intention worong now. The other topics are reasons/sources for magical effects that are never tested in the story, Harry could (and probably) is only deducting and guessing how the magic that already happened is working, based on effects he vitnessed. All the conclusions he comes to are never tested and even if he only had guessed and guessed worong, the result would not change. Or? Did I miss a real information that Harry only learns in limbo and applies in the story afterwards and is proven correct? What does Harry actually learn? Greetings Juy Juka

[@Ellamental21]

next what if series suggestion: What if dumbledore didn't borrow the invisibility cloak? Is it possible that on the night that voldemort attacked harry as a baby, if James had the cloak he could have finally given in to his wanderlust and gone out in the cloak? Lilly would still have died to save harry, voldemort still have his curse reflected back at him, but would Harry grow up with James, or would dumbledore insist he go to the Dursleys in order to protect him? How would life for Harry be different with a father suffering from survivors guilt?

[@ThisUserIsNoLongerAvailable]

I would watch that series repeatedly

[@YIMBYKieran]

I don’t think James would run tbh o think he would give it to lily and Harry to save them

[@lukeroberson2115]

​@FmfieldtownFC They aren't saying he would run, they're saying what if James used the cloak and missed the attack.

[@IskandrArchive]

​@@YIMBYKieranI dont think they're suggesting he would have run away, but in Lily's letter to Sirius she says that since James lent the cloak to a Dumbledore and he's been trapped in the house he's feeling antsy and wants to get out, if he'd had the cloak he could have gone out for a bit and maybe he wouldn't have been home when Voldemort attacked Lily and Harry.

[@ThreeLeafChlover]

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[@FoxbrushDraws]

Been rereading the series and one thing has been striking me as odd throughout it. How and why does Draco Malfoy know so much about Muggle inventions? He mentions by name parachutes, helicopters, and other really specific Muggle artifacts. I understand that it's probably actually an oversight, but I'd rather imagine a world where he secretly learns about Muggle things because he's just as fascinated by them as Arthur is, but has to hide it because he knows his father wouldn't approve, and also why he's extra mean to Hermione about being Muggle-born.

[@cherryb893]

Good point! I mean, he's hardly Arthur Weasley, but he seems to know more about the Muggle world and Muggle tech than our favourite Muggle fan.

[@wojciechgrodnicki6302]

Arthur Weasley works with muggle artifacts. Lucius Malfoy expresses public annoyance at the number of raids made to his home by Arthur’s department. The Malfoys are suspected of running scams involving cursed muggle objects.

[@NaranjaDj]

Hey guys, love your channel and all your stuff. For a while I've had a kind of theory I'd like you guys to examine and don't know if this is the right place to share it, but here goes. Does the avada kedavra curse actually summon death? By this I mean the physical manifestation of death, as per the tale of the three brothers. I think it's particularly interesting that when the curse is cast, we are told there is a "blinding" flash of green light, and a sound "like beating wings". I've always found that last part interesting in particular. In the movies, death is portrayed winged. I know this isn't book canon but is a peculiar thing to have included in the movie without cause - death traditionally is not portrayed as winged. This gives the being a kind of "angel of death" image and HP does have a lot of mythological imagery. Furthermore, the fact that the flash is blinding could mean that death literally appears in the room and takes the life of the victim of the curse, but goes unseen due to the green flash. In addition, the idea that avada kedavra summons death links into your earlier theory about one of the three brothers creating the curse. I don't know, I feel like there is something there you guys could really explore. Thanks for reading if you did make it this far! Love your channel. EDIT: just read about the significance of the "green flash" in the sky for the ancient Egyptians, who saw it at sunset. They saw nighttime as symbolic of death, and Osiris, lord of the dead, was always depicted green.

[@Carolinemarques8]

I loved this!

[@bobmarkey1086]

In traditional iconography Death *is* portrayed as winged - as an angel, in fact. That image predates the Grim Reaper by many centuries.

[@fishybrickfilms]

Wow this is a question I never really thought of but now that you mention it it’s actually really interesting

[@MarcoMakesOfficial]

I just assumed the skeletal baby thing was all the fragments of voldemort's soul from the horcruxes stuck in limbo, as voldemort can't "die" per se. Voldemort falling over in the forbidden forest is just him passing out after yet another piece of his soul is destroyed. I don't think "prime" voldy was there in the limbo kings cross at all but just very briefly fainted. For that skeletal baby thing to have been prime Voldemort it would mean that he was hit by the killing curse at the same time as Harry, which would have turned him into the bodyless Voldemort cloud thingy, right? I'm not entirely sold on this SCB explanation, I honestly think that baby voldy thingy is the ripped souls from the horcruxes. In any case, SCB rocks man, you guys are awesome and I LOVE your content! Keep up the great work ❤

[@maliaareneee]

I really want to see a What If video on what the series would have been like if Lily and James did use Dumbledore as their secret keeper. What the whole series would have been like if Harry was still the chosen one, but his parents survived. Similar to how Neville’s parents would have stayed hidden if they used Dumbledore. I’m curious how that could have changed things… what kind of person Harry would have been, and what the war would look like with most of the marauders alive and in their prime.

[@twilightdream]

Interesting idea

[@cherryb893]

I'd definitely watch that. Trouble is, there are about a thousand ways it could have happened.

[@MarinaTilich]

5:08 give this editor a raise 😂

[@SgtSupaman]

I'm pretty sure it is outright stated in the books that the Voldemort seen in the ethereal King's Cross Station was the horcrux piece from Harry. Your theory doesn't hold much water when you're just ignoring the source material. When Voldemort was killed, he absolutely wound up suffering in limbo like that, but that wasn't him when Harry went through there in his own head. If it were, why would Harry need to warn the still living Voldemort of his fate? If Voldemort had already experienced it, then he would've already known. As you said, Harry was trying to give Voldemort a chance to move on, which is something that piece of his soul had already missed out on, since it was already dead and trapped in limbo.

[@pianofortississimo]

As a Warframe player, hearing you keep saying "Voldemort Prime" is at the same time horrific and terrific.

[@TheBrothergreen]

Voldemort prime IS the ghost thing. That means if harry dies, the baby thing DOESN'T go with him, according to your own theory. The ghost thing, which is Voldemort prime, which is the skeletal baby, is anchored to life by Nagini. So if harry gets on the train, nothing happens to Voldemort. He stands up again, just like he did.

[@03.achyuthans39]

But if Voldemort is tethered by Nagini, then Harry is tethered by his blood in Voldemort.. so he also wouldn’t be able to just board a train!

[@TheBrothergreen]

@@03.achyuthans39 Blood is just blood. Doesn't stop you from doing anything. Harry's soul is whole. If he hops on the train, his whole soul gets on the train.

[@03.achyuthans39]

@@TheBrothergreen not questioning the soul part.. but Harry's blood is in voldemort.. so lily's protection lives on in nagini and if Voldy prime comes back, Harry will also be pulled back right?

[@TheBrothergreen]

@@03.achyuthans39 nope. Harry's blood is not in nagini, and it's irrelevant regardless. Lilly's sacrifice is a shield, not an anchor. If harry gets run over by a train, he's dead. Dementors kiss? Dead. Willingly hops on the train to the shadow realm? Dead.

[@chefRyan38]

I would argue his first step into the wizarding world was through the Leaky Cauldron into Diagon Ally where he sees witches and wizards going about their daily lives like it's a normal thing

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Awesome analyzis as always! You guys always knock it out of the park!❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊

[@elzar760]

Lol imagine Voldemort returning as a ghost and hanging out in Hogwarts with the other ghosts and chatting with students and such.

[@cherryb893]

They'd be terrified of him. He'd make the Bloody Baron look like the Fact Friar!

[@garrettsmith8562]

A "what happens when Harry dies" video might be cool. I don't know what exactly it might entail, but seeing Voldemort in Limbo again, do they talk? Does anyone meet him at King's Cross to "ride the train with him?" CAN anyone do that?

[@madhtush]

Yall are sooooooo smart!!!! I would NEVER have thought of that

[@christinepearson4972]

The world of limbo in the world of harry potter could also be called the cross roads world in witch some one could choose to die or live depending on how you look at it you could either choose to go back to the land of the living or choose to forward to the land of the dead

[@mr.d8747]

*You mean KING'S Cross?*

[@NotStraighttothepoint0123]

Hello, love your channel it always helps me during a tough time. Love from Louisiana. 1:35

[@swifteez13]

Just when I thought there couldn’t possibly be any more theories left to cover…

[@BowsandAros]

6:34 the answer is the fact that it's the limbo state. Dumbledore has passed on. I think the answer is hidden in how Dumbledore will always remain as long as there's someone loyal to him at Hogwarts. Maybe it's an enchantment so he can halfway remain in Hogwarts as long as his order and allies are there so he can help them.

[@komelkapoor3980]

I thought that he was just there at kingscross but it wasn’t him I thought it was the horcrux that used to be part of harry

[@KingoftheShibas]

Please please make an across the spiderverse video, I’d love to hear you’re takes on it and theories!

[@derpadeecorn]

I honestly always thought that the reason why Dumbledore met Harry in his version of Kings Cross station is because Dumbledore wanted to make sure he got to that point that he made it okay he never wanted to be a ghost but he definitely loved Harry enough to want to make sure he would be okay whether he chose to go back and take down Voldemort or if he wanted to board the train and move on

[@MrWil20n]

This theory actually makes a lot of sense. I think that it is further backed up by Voldemort himself in the grave yard. What if this mist from is because part of his soul is in limbo.

[@katholmes7112]

Here's a Harry Potter question I would love you guys to answer. Given that, even in death Dumbledore continues to lie and manipulate, does he get to enjoy his afterlife or is there penance he will be forced to face?

[@levigoodrich5276]

I am of the opinion that dumbldore would willingly accept such a punishment and in doing so becomes absolved of that punishment. Dumbldore is the sort of person whose greatest punisher is himself

[@lesshero9982]

If I could suggest a what if..? JK has mentioned that Ron was almost killed off in the 5th book; how would that have affected the story moving forward?

[@DanBeech-ht7sw]

Harry and Hermione get off with each other

[@HairyPugger.]

Here's an interesting what if:- What if in the deathly hallows, Ron wasn't able to tune in to Potterwatch. It sounds like a minor detail but it could change a LOT of things. For one, they'd never go to the Malfoy manor and would not know about the horcrux hidden in the Lestranges vault. And for two, dobby wouldn't have died, YAY!! But is that supposed to mean that Luna, Dean and Mr. Ollivander eventually die in the prison?😢

[@madikytta4764]

I just lOve that the obligatory ad interrupted making Ben say something to the effect of “meaning that flayed baby skeletal thing” “CULVERS! WELCOME TO DELICIOUS”

[@samanthaworthen1845]

Day 75 of asking the SuperCarlinBrothers to please bring back Google Auto Fill videos please!

[@MinyaturNessa]

I cannot remember details but I do remember discussing the question of Dumbledore being imagined by Harry or actually being at King's Cross in my master thesis. While looking at the question "does Dumbledore actually provide any new and unknown information?", I have found that he did not... But as I said, I'd have to reread my thesis for details and or proper arguments. Beautifully, I came to the confusion that it does not matter whether it was imagined or real 😊. I also remember stating how I personally prefer Harry needing and wanring, thus materialising his headmaster and guide. Love your work! (And btw, actually cited some of your thoughts in my thesis! 😊)

[@stevievaughan5096]

i just wanna see the parts in between shots where he just scoots from side to side

[@Tbhyeah]

What a terrifying cover photo for this 😅 I’m a 26 year old man and jump-scared myself scrolling through KZbin lol

[@JSwags63]

Okay, so I have a question: Do y'all think there are any portraits of Voldemort in the wizarding world? We have seen that Dumbledore lives on in his portrait in the headmasters chamber, so much so that he continues to give orders to Snape. So, it is possible Voldemort had a portrait done? And more importantl, did he give himself a nose or stay as is?

[@hackman669]

Great idea. Would enjoy seeing Voldy as a portrait!😃

[@yoursjayani]

I don't think that Voldy would have ever done that. He was so sure and overconfident about being immortal, maybe he thought that picturising himself would make him less worthy and coward in front of the wizarding world.

[@navibanfield1591]

Mthere are a few things i find unforgivable about the movies compared to the books. When voldemort died in the books, he dropped. he fell. He didnt turn to ashes, he didnt whisp away in a puff of smoke like a vampire from buffy. He just fell. He died. He died a mortal man. The one thing he didnt ever want to be. He was closer to a muggle in that moment than he had ever been in his life. That was the ending that stuck with me. It proves that no matter how hard you fight death. It always comes for you, and will always demand respect lest you lose your dignity. His death in the movies. My mum blinked in the movie theatre, literally blinked, and she missed it.

[@DONK0]

The Dumbledore in kings cross was just harry connecting the dots on his own, not the real Dumbledore. It was Harry's subconscious filling in what he thinks Dumbledore would act like and say.

[@TheLindsayKnudsen]

If it was Harry then how did dumbledore know things harry would have never known or even assumed? Actual facts. Like if I say my name is Maria you can assume I’m a woman. You would not assume or even guess I had twelve sisters and escaped a cult as a child.

[@ghostbearr1]

The ending is kind of twisted. So if Voldemort experienced the pain of "King's Cross," limbo, then his impression of death would be something to fear. So when Harry Potter offered the remedy to that pain, Voldemort did not know about the way to repair his soul, he could not trust or respect Harry Potter enough to realize that he was trying to help, and he had is fear of the death reaffirmed by his experience in limbo. Also the would be be another way to explain why Narcissa was able to lie to Voldemort. I am someone who can at random experience a pain that is very debilitating, that even after the pain is gone it takes days or weeks to recover. The pain from Limbo would simply be worse.

[@cherryb893]

I have some idea what you go through, except that mine really doesn't stop - it's Ankylosing Spondylitis - and I think you're right.

[@ghostbearr1]

@@cherryb893 Okay, I look into that condition and I feel for you. I have psoriatic arthritis and gout. Hopefully your doctors were able diagnose your condition and treat it in the early stages.

[@guitarplayer1994]

I predict that Voldi saw the towel section!

[@ryanmathews7130]

King's Cross Station representing Harry's entrance into the Wizarding World makes sense metaphorically, but doesn't he first see it by passing through the Leaky Cauldron in to Diagon Alley?

[@michaeljames3108]

Yes, that was the first introduction, but the station was the gateway into his new life, he officially left. When he went to diagon alley first, he went back to the Dursley’s before going to kings cross station.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

You guys always make my day😊😊😊😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Angelo-uw9eo]

Dat or day or autocorrect?

[@colbyhicks9470]

If voldy would have chosen to feel remorse, and reunited his soul in limbo, couldn't he have come back as a ghost?

[@HannahEvansOfficial]

Love your videos

[@Dan55888]

Really appreciate the sponsor timer ;) easily visual for... not skipping... yeah...

[@cherryb893]

It would have been nicer to have the sponsorship blurb at the start of the video (or at the end, but then people will just stop watching when it comes on screen). Slotting it in where it is, completely breaks the flow of the video, as well as breaking the viewers' concentration. Does anyone believe the channel owner really wears those undergarments? I don't buy it.

[@ThisUserIsNoLongerAvailable]

What if Harry was a Squib? What would've happened?

[@Ollie.H-23]

Neville would've been the chosen one

[@SickRedApple]

​@Half-Blood_Hufflepuff I don't think so. Evidence for magic power can start appearing much later than first birthday (see Neville) so no-one would've known Harry was a squib before he was attacked by Voldemort. I think the biggest question would be whether Lily's protection could protect a non-magical baby. I would think not? In which case maybe Voldy goes for Harry first, effortlessly kills him, then decides to go for Neville as well, just to be sure, and at that point Neville becomes the chosen one? Since we go by the rules of profecies must always be true. In that case you'd be right and you just have no Potters and mostly just Neville taking Harry's place in the story with a few details changing here and there.

[@Ollie.H-23]

@@SickRedApple So you do think so?

[@aurora4538]

U should do a series on what if Voldemort didn't exist. i think it would be an interesting concept.

[@Auroraradcliffe]

Ya that would be cool

[@chrisblanc663]

My assumption always was that the piece of voldemorts soul we see at kings cross is the one that had been inside Harry, and it was forced to go beyond once Harry woke up. As for Voldemort getting up, was a way to show us that the conversation that Harry had in his head only took a moment, or in other words kings cross is not subject to time because it is the realm between the two worlds. Why dumbledore is there is simply his mind conjuring him so that he can have this discussion. And aside of things Harry couldn’t know about, like grindlewal relationship, that was Harry’s subcontious filling in details with answers he could live with. Something I just thought of. Whenever we see Voldemorts Horcrux outside, (The diary, the locket) he appears to look the same as when the horcrux was made, not a feeble creature we see at kings cross. If anyone has any theories about that I would a appreciate it!

[@BlackHoleForge]

0:40 you know when he has to use the words "I digress", it's going to be good.

[@GalactikEdits]

Thanks for answering a question i have been asking myself for years!!

[@keiraeditsstuff]

I haven't had internet for two and a half weeks and now I'm sitting in my bed for the first time since I left binge watching everything you've made since then eating oreos and my life is complete

[@AIMPlayz]

i got here before my notification got to me

[@blackheartgaming6121]

Wonderful explanation here dude I never knew some of these things

[@Larka661]

Because of Lily's protection in Voldemort's vains, Voldemort could not kill Harry, no matter how many times he hit him with the killing curse. Anyone else could've killed Harry, but Voldemort was stuck on that prophecy, thinking only he could kill Harry.

[@selonianth]

I don't think Voldy thought no one else *could* I think he refused to let anyone else *do* it.

[@Larka661]

​@@selonianthhe didn't let anyone else do it. Which Dumbledore counted on. But Voldemort putting Harry's blood in his veins made him the only one who couldn't kill Harry.

[@FatLittleButterfly]

I'm pretty sure its been said that Voldemort can never "move on" because his soul isn't whole and is fractured.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

HEEEY BROTHER😊😊😊❤❤❤❤

[@imaginepageant]

Is anyone else confused at this point about whether or not Ben actually… wears glasses now? It started out as a good-luck-charm joke in J vs. Ben, but now he wears them almost all the time: theory videos, Popcorn Culture, Box Breakers. Are they real glasses now?!

[@royalcharles3416]

I always read that it was Harry's choice who moved on from King's Cross in that scene. He ultimately chose to come back. However, if he would have chose to move on, than the Horcrux (Voldemort's piece of soul) would've returned to the forest.

[@emmaharkins]

the way i always interpreted it with Dumbledore is that he refrained from passing on to speak to Harry in that moment

[@jaded_dahlia]

I always assumed that the piece of soul in Harry acted as a shield and was thus destroyed by Voldemort's death curse. And I always believed that the horrible baby Voldemort was so blinded by suffering from the consequences of his actions that it was all he experienced

[@darkkey19]

I've always interpreted the creature in King's Cross as the part of Voldemort's soul that was attached to Harry, and I still see that as the more likely scenario, but I could see this being the case too.

[@katherynlynne]

I think Harry’s limbo was King’s Cross because it would take him either back to his life or to the afterlife, which some call “going home.” He associates the train station with going to Hogwarts, which is the first place he ever felt at home. (“Hogwarts is my home”). I also think the argument of Voldemort consciously being there at all is proven false in the sense that the other fragments of his soul are not there with Harry and the one that attached itself to him.

[@skateata1]

I always thought the reason harry returned from kingscross was because voldemort's soul in him passed over instead.

[@eddardstark6554]

I don’t recall if you touched on this, but a big hole in this theory is that the Avada Kadavra curse has to kill someone or something upon impact of a living thing. So it always made sense to me that the ONLY reason why Harry even had the choice to come back to life after being hit by the curse was because he could, in a moment’s time in the real world, but several minutes in limbo, decide whether he essentially wanted to curse to take his soul, taking the horcrux with him, or let the curse only take the horcrux, allowing Harry to come back to life. I don’t think that skeletal baby thing is Voldemort prime. Just the horcrux from Harry’s perspective. When Voldemort wakes up, I like to imagine that he did come back from a sort of visionary limbo as the skeletal baby, but not at King’s Cross, rather from a dark and cold limbo. Maybe his orphanage? Maybe he has these visions every time a horcrux is destroyed? He realizes that pain and suffering is all that awaits him if he fails to live in the real world.

[@theosneus7646]

What if dumbledore didnt make a horcrux but his sister made a lovecrux ....

[@kalebm6758]

By the way guys. If you ever continue your "What if Neville was the chosen One" Series Lily Potter should ABSOLUTELY be the one that kills Nagini. It's very poetic.

[@penguintaco9038]

Stuck in limbo for enternity in eternal torment is a fitting end for Voldemort.