What Did We Forget?? | FNAF Theory

[@SO-ku9km]

I feel like we as a community forget or wash over things so often do to what big creators tell us and we can go years developing theories on top of something that originally wasn’t even true. I feel like a couple times Scott has just *gone* with whatever the community was thinking even if it was contradictory.

[@Vanzolin]

I 100% have done this and I'm trying to find out what was fact and what was just a theory I saw a long time ago lmao ^^'

[@SO-ku9km]

good thumbnail man this made me wanna click without even knowing it had less than 1000 views. Also pretty good editing. Will definitely continue to watch ur videos.

[@Vanzolin]

It will hopefully get 1000 views soon lol. Thank you so much for the compliment btw. I'm really proud of it and added a small detail that most people ironically missed :D

[@br2891]

There was an official statement by Scott himself saying that only Nightmare Balloon Boy was canon out of the Halloween Edition anyways, I thought that was something everyone already knew, maybe not new fans tho

[@Vanzolin]

That's what I talked about. The point of this video was that although many knew this no body talks about it because we forgot it

[@Noobking_VR]

Bro only 700 subs bro this is the most underrated youTuber I’ve ever seen this video was so good

[@Vanzolin]

My reaction while reading: This is such a nice comment, I'm gonna heart it :) ... I have 700 subs?!?!?!?

[@Skorpeonismyrealname]

Slight nitpick: the FNaF 1 Custom 1987 is nothing more than Scott quashing early day theories that a secret night will occur if you set each level as such. I'm sure nowadays, Scott wouldn't do that, but at the time it was just some weird underground game making the motions on Tumblr

[@Vanzolin]

I have never head of that before and I trust you wouldn't lie about something so niche so thank you for the amazing comment! :D

[@techmark3665]

People say that about the 1987 easter egg. However, i haven’t seen Scott say anything regarding his intentions, so it could very well be a clue towards something. For instance, one possibility is that it may line up with the fnaf 2 phone calls (“someone used one of the suits … a yellow one”).

[@linkrosso9279]

0:12 Loved that joke lmao

[@ZorusSerif]

I watched a pretty convincing video from a new theory channel.that goes over a lot of this information that most of the community either ignores or completely forgot existed

[@Vanzolin]

I did not steal this idea or any contents from another channel. Idk if that's what your saying. I really hope my video isn't a copy of theirs none the less

[@ZorusSerif]

@@Vanzolin I'm not saying that you stole anything. I'm just saying that another channel is acknowledging the stuff that your acknowledging about the lore lol

[@Vanzolin]

@ZorusSerif my bad. I'm glad I'm not the only one pointing out this information then :)

[@vladdy5483]

Very good video and overall good channel but i would love to see longer videos though

[@Vanzolin]

Thank you for the amazing comment! I would also love to make longer videos. The issue is for me to make them in my style at the quality they are I already take all week. Making them longer would either require more help or a drop in quality/change in style. But I'll see what I can do :)

[@Nightmaregamery]

BEARable is just the perfect joke and i think you don't remember me but i am the guy who you help talk to FuhNaff and say my help wanted 2 theory by super chatting to say my theory

[@Vanzolin]

Thank you and I would never forget you! I may not always remember the name but I will always recognize that pfp you changed it too :)

[@TheEmergencyBanana]

been watching 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.' all day. forgot to be on youtube at all.

[@Vanzolin]

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[@jamespegram6260]

We remember, fnaf doesn't remember us-

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

I have a cool FNAF 1 theory. It ties up loose ends, fixes early installment weirdness, clarifies some things, AND might even have answers about Phone Guy. Curious? I'm willing to share or let you use it, I've been pitching it for years

[@Vanzolin]

You certainly grabbed my attention lol

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

@@Vanzolin There's two halves, the part I'm certain about and the more iffy stretch part. If it's in there cool, if not I hope you hear me out. Let me set the stage with a fact. FNAF 1's location is the ONLY time in the whole series where Guards being murdered at night by animatronics was a regular occurrence. It's easy to forget that as it was the first game in the series, but it's true. FNAF 2's location only ever had 3 guards. The first guy was William and he got out after a Week. Second guy was Jeremy who survived the Nightshift(but probably got his frontal lobe nibbled off on the following Dayshift), and the Third Guy was Fritz who is probably Micheal. There's also some notable revelations here I'll get back to in a minute. FNAF 3, one guard, probably Micheal(though some fringe theorists think it's Henry), they live. FNAF 4, no guards. FNAF SL...this one is actually kind of hard to say, FNAF 6, one guard, Micheal, dies but not because of animatronics. FNAF 2 also establishes via Phone Guy that this is the first time this sort of thing has ever happened. Guard 1's reports were thought of as impossible and it's only during Jeremy's week they start to figure out a theory(the bare endoskeleton thing) and offer up some solutions. This tells us the original location that was open for a bit after the murders either didn't have nightguards(makes sense enough, no big crime, no need) or the Puppet hadn't gotten to them yet. It also tells us Guard fatalities are something they're actively trying to avoid. But in FNAF 1? There's a whole procedure for it. Body removed, property cleaned and bleached, carpets replaced, missing person report within 90 days. A institutional solution for it combined with Phone Guy's "Most people don't last this long" implies MANY guards at this location have come and perished before Micheal arrives in 92/93(doesn't matter, but TLDR 93 has never been proven. Matpat picked it because of the Aurora Chuck E Cheese incident, the tax data said it could be anywhere from 1991-1996, and the Faz Fact that referenced it was cut and might not be canon. But that would have the work week not align with FNAF 2, which is Sunday-Saturday and has Friday the 13th as your last payday. 1992 is the only other date in which Friday the 13th and the work week line up.) This means that not only have a ton of guards died, but there's a procedure for it, meaning the company is both aware and doesn't care. But why? This isn't hugely profitable 2030s Fazbear entertainment sweeping a few missing kids and staff under the rug, this is 1990s floundering Fazbear. Why waste so much many dealing with dozens of dead guards...unless...gathering dead guards is the goal. Let me ask another question. Who is running the show in the 1990s? Henry is out the timeline from the mid 80s until right before FNAF 6, maybe he's hiding in guilt, heck, I personally buy the theory he was framed(explaining the newspaper clipping saying the suspect was convicted) and spent a couple decades in jail, starting on the FNAF 6 project right after getting out. But even if he was here, Henry would never allow any of this to happen. And I already explained above why the faceless corporate overlord types, or even Miss Afton if you wanna bring that up, wouldn't do this. The profit motive isn't there. The location is a crumbling mess and the cleanup procedure is massive and expensive. That only leaves our boy William Afton, who is alive at this point, was free as recently as 1987, and we have zero evidence he was charged for the DCI/SAVE THEM incident. William Afton was running the FNAF 1 location and funding the cleanups of stuffed, dead, guards. But why? Well, for years the fandom has talked of William doing remnant experiments, soul experiments, maybe even agony experiments. That's how we get the theory the original 5 souls may have ended up in Funtime Freddy and Ballora and eventually in Molten Freddy and The Blob. But would William really have stuck to the same handful of souls, especially as he seemingly didn't want to mess with his daughter? Why not get a larger sample size, recreate the suffering? But kids are too risky to go after, he's done that twice and gotten away by the skin of his teeth. People care about kids, but what about poor working class blokes? Transients? People no one would notice if they suddenly were to vanish. I'm of the belief the FNAF 1 location, Bear themed restaurant and all, is a honey pot. It's a trap. It would certainly explain things like the door design and power supply. Transients, Desperate people, poor workers down on their luck, read a newspaper ad, dead in a few days, stuffed and ready for testing. This theory predates the Movie, but the Movie absolutely backs it up with him encouraging people to take the job. The location may have closed in 92/93, but the FNAF 2 ending and Phone Guy lines suggest it may have opened up far sooner than that, within a year of the FNAF 2 location closing. Dozens of men could have died there before the place finally closed at 'years end' a few weeks after Micheals run. And seemingly it didn't work. Maybe because the suffering wasn't enough. Maybe these men lacked the hope to hold on that the kids did, drained by a terrible life prior. Or maybe it's simply because The Puppet had cottoned on and wasn't going to help bring anyone back. Not anymore.(We know they were at the FNAF 1 location, both from the timeline and the FNAF 2 cutscenes, yet we never see them. Curious). So eventually as the place shut down William decided to take a closer look at the originals. Break them up, study their bits, perhaps reuse them. What made them special? And it would explain why that original remnant kept being re-used, the circumstances were specific and it was so hard to get more. They were no longer needed as unintentional killers. And Sister Location? Which most people place next to FNAF 1 in the timeline(either before or after depends). While it's not as blatant, it's the only other location with HINTS of prior guard fatalities. Plus the two technitions. Curious then this is the one place we know was fully a William operation. That's the main theory. All above. FNAF 1 location is a trap to lure in guards to get stuffed and use for remnant experiments. It didn't work, so William eventually scrapped the animatronics to study directly after it closed. Ok, here's the bit of a stretch part. Phone Guy. The eternal enigma. Leading candidate to be the Purple Guy for over a year. We know he was innocent, and in hindsight it was kind of obvious from the start(The FNAF 2 phonecalls very clearly tell us it's the Dayshift Guard/Former Nightguars, and they aren't the same person as Phone Guy. Heck they trick Phone Guy). But he's definitely sketchy. He helps hide what's going on in the FNAF 2 location, covers up Springsuit fatalities, organizes the saferooms being sealed, and knows very well what's happening to all the guards at the FNAF 1 location. He's not a killer, but he is a diehard company loyalist who has been complicit in and helped cover up numerous crimes. Bit of a toadie. And we also have evidence William has blackmailed and threatened people more than once. He got the Funtime Designs past those execs who knew what they were for. SOMEONE was arrested in the 80s for the MCI and it clearly wasn't him. (Henry is the prime theory as it explains a bunch of other things, but back in the day a popular option was 'the guy in the foxy costume from Foxy Go Go' or 'One of the other bullies from Fnaf 4). This coo-coo banana pants theory is that Phone Guy was essentially strong-armed into being William's igor and right hand man in running the FNAF 1 location, handling the logistics of the new hires and managing the clean ups. Phone Guy is a toadie to start with(as shown above) and William could easily threaten to either frame him for the DCI/Save Them, or just leak all the audio of Phone Guy covering up various deaths on behalf of Fazbear over the years(probably edited to relieve William of any blame). The tapes were in the same room as Springbonnie, he has access to them. That would explain why Phone Guy, while not being THE killer, is clearly involved in so much nasty business. Toadie to William to the end, especially when being credibly threatened. It would also explain why in FNAF 1, despite towing the line and never fully telling you to 'leave and never come back' or something sensible like that, he does TRY to give subtle hints to either help you out or warn out without crossing the line. His previous deeds were very impersonal and detatched, he was the middleman, not the cause. Now he's directly involved like never before, he can't write off the blame in his mind anymore, "only following orders" is a lot harder when you're there in person and leading people to their deaths directly. (BTW, great title for a Phone Guy theory video. Only Following Orders). So he's trying desperately to get some warnings out in-between dismissing them and legal jargon and lying to you about the cause of the malfunction. This would also explain his fate. While Phone Guy had nominally been a guard since the place opened(as indicated by his FNAF 2 dialogue), it was obviously more of a training role, head guard, served only on paper in a lot of ways. He wasn't doing it weekly for all those years. But I'm guessing his disobediance and evidence of trying to sneak out warnings eventually came to Williams attention. Which combined with the fact all the Stuffed Guards were not working out in the experiments and William was probably getting angry...he sent Phone Guy to do things in person, and ensured he'd never come back. It was indeed his last week, just as promised.

[@Vanzolin]

Okay wow. This is actually really cool theory to start off with and I'd totally want to make a video about it! (Giving you credit ofc) I'd just quickly add some thoughts and imma do some extra research to ground everything. Something that I noticed is there is never really a clear date of when it goes from being a Co owned business to a company. I'd assume it would be in between fnaf 1 and fnaf 6 considering that's really the first time we hear "Faz bear entertainment" So it was probably easier for William to cover up things if not a full company. I would have to check more about the aresst and poster clippings but I'm fairly confident it was William who was released due to lack of evidence. It was said to be that way in the silver eyes and into the pit I believe. (As I said I will do more research on all of this) The fnaf 1 location being the glue trap for night guards does actually make a lot of sense. There are some issues here and there with the idea, but it's the same with literally every other idea in this series lol. It probably was enough and everything for the souls and William just brought them back to the bunker because he does tests there and stuff but who really knows. As I said I'd look more into this before I'd do any video stuff but I love the idea! Phone guy being and accomplice to William would make a lot of sense actually. I'd imagine everyone who works in the higher positions would have to know. Or maybe... PHONE GUY IS PURPLE GUY!!!! Jk, but there are still problems with it. I'd doubt afton could get whatever animatronic to kill the phone guy with ease unless the movie picture system also some how works in the games but I also like that one and will also look further into it. So with your permission I'd love to make a video about these! And even if you don't want me too I greatly thank you for the insight. Genuinely amazing :)

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

@@VanzolinOh absolutely, just give me an hour or two to get the rest of it. I had to cut half out to save space

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

One thing I didn't mention. Phone Guy has a single line of dialogue never featured in any game. From the opening of the FNAF 2 trailer. "Well if you're hearing this then, chances are you've made a very poor career choice." Almost like it was never allowed out. Maybe this was what William found that finally broke the camels back? How exactly did Phone Guy know he was on his last week? Did someone tell him? Perhaps he didn't fully comprehend what was meant by...last week. And then on November 4th 199X(2 or 3, as I've said, most people say 3, but the evidence says it's 2 and 3 was due to a misunderstanding Matpat caused) he dies, seemingly to Chica based on the audio clues. Heck if you really want to get crazy you could say Phone Guy's death is what finally prompted the place to close 'by years end'(so right before the X-Mas holidays in either December 92 or 93), as without him William couldn't manage the logistics anymore, thus he resorted to utterly destroying the originals for further testing until he eventually got himself into a position to be killed(whenever that was, probably 1994ish). (Also on the date thing, look at FNAF 2. The location opens on October 31st 1987, Halloween, very fitting. The first night shift is 12AM - 6AM November 1st 1987. William does STM/DCI sometime that week and goes to day shift after the 7th. Jeremy takes the job on the 8th, gets his first check on the 12th, and gets his overtime on...Friday the 13th. (lightning strikes). Fritz(maybe Micheal) does the AM shift on the 14th and Jeremy is bit later that day. Scott loves to throw in Friday the 13ths and Halloween spoopy days, so FNAF 1 in 1992 fits the trend. Maybe that's also why Micheal showed up then and specifically then. William probably would have told Phone Guy to on no uncertain terms keep out any weird smelly guys who looked remotely like his son(especially if this is after the events of Sister Location which I think is the common idea now.), but in the chaos with him gone he could easily slip through the cracks. There aren't a lot of people both morally dubious enough to do this and that William has enough dirt on to keep loyal, really just Micheal who's already gone rogue at this point. Plus it fits tonally. It's another example of William's poor choices ruining his plans, he killed one of the only two people he could realistically control because they were getting uncomfortable at the mass murder. Plus Phone Guy's punishment is fitting. A painful death, but not full blown fires of hell like Willy got. Just to clarify, this ISN'T one of those theories that says "Phone Guy Was Purple Man originally and it got retconned". What I am saying is it's a fact Phone Guy is not an innocent bystander. He knows things no normal person would know...not without calling the police. He knows about what's been happening to the guards in FNAF 1. He knows exactly how it looks when a guard is stuffed into the suit. DOWN to the eye-balls and death popping up the mask, he's seen it in person. And he knows well what's happened to those who came before. "Most people don't last this long. I mean uh...they usually move on to other things by now. I'm not implying they died." There have been many before Micheal got there. With the 90 day rule probably at least 4 a year for however long the place was open, so at least a dozen dead guards if not potentially up to double that. As well as leading the springsuit coverups in the 3 tapes. Phone Guy knew of fatalitys and accidents and was underplaying the risks and instructing people to basically hide their own bodies before they died. Then afterwards he lead a massive seal up campaign to hide evidence. He's not the killer, and he's not evil, he does try to help out without stepping out of line in FNAF 1, and he's mostly pretty chill in FNAF 2. But innocent of being the killer does not mean innocent, period. Too many people forget that. There are flaws and stretches(the whole phone guy side of things). The two most common complaints I've heard are "William never ran the FNAF 1 location" and "Henry was never framed." The latter isn't really important to the main theory other than helping eliminate Henry as an owner(and there are other ways to do that), and even in the crazier Phone Guy sub-theory still works fine as long as SOMEONE had been framed in the past(which 100% happened, someone was convicted for the MCI) and even WITHOUT ANY FRAMING, it still probably works because we know for 100% William had access to incriminating tapes. They were in the safe room next to Springbonnie. The former is...well I do sort of get the sentiment, we know William seemingly wasn't super involved in the FNAF 2 location at least directly. But I have to ask, ok, who is running it then? Who else has a motive to allow this sort of mass guard death to occur? Henry sure doesn't, Micheal doesn't, and a faceless corporate entity without morals ala the ones running the Pizzaplex would see the income-spending graph and just torch the building for the insurance. You cover up deaths when you have a successful thriving operation, you don't spend thousands doing it on a failing crumbling restaurant that's dumb. No one else makes sense, BUT William. And experiments are the best motive given, AT THE LATEST, he learned about what was going on with the animatronics in 87 after Save Them and his Nightshift work, and possibly earlier. He absolutely was working on this stuff by the early 90s. And the movie thing backs it up, parallels between things in this franchise date back to the novels. The theory predates the movie, my version predates the movie by a good year(and it's based on older versions by people like BlackFootFerret, though his was a lot more crazy and tied to his other crazy theories...that guy's theories are nuts, but he had a weird trend of getting specific details right WAY ahead of time. He predicted mad science and soul harvesting and the company being run by a duo all the way back in FNAF 3, and predicted both souls being split into multiple suits and two souls sharing a suit right after FNAF 4. He also predicted Afton chasing immortality around this time.). Afton in the movie IS baiting people into taking the job for his own purposes with the goal of getting them killed. Sure in the movie it's for a more simplistic goal of 'more murder', but in the games his goals are more complex so the game equivalent would be more complex. And in the movie he fills both the role of himself and Phone Guy in the games, so a game equivalent would likely involve both of them. I should also note that Circus Baby's Pizza World(which was...probably opened for one day in the mid 80s? Could have also been right after FNAF 2 i guess) was itself specifically a gigantic trap that would have automated kid killing on a mass scale. Ballora was to distract the parents, Funtime Foxy could mimic voices of parents to lure and separate kids, and both Baby and Freddy were big enough to capture kids. We already know Willy was looking for remnant. But it didn't work, his own daughter died, and the whole thing ended up being more of a fiasco then intended requiring the gas leak coverup. Maybe this was after the STM/DCI or maybe that was a desperate attempt to get more resources after the Circus Baby Disaster. Regardless, it's proof Willy was both... 1. Running operations even after the MCI. 2. Willing to make whole businesses as giant traps. 3. Was on the hunt for remnant and agony around this time (The secret cupcake room in Chica's Party in FNAF 3 also suggests the souls killed in 87 weren't able to be freed. Perhaps they were used up and that's why half of them are missing from 3). And he clearly learned killing kids caused a lot of bad press. Sure, maybe he could occasionally snag one from the rental op, but it would be way harder to pass the buck or deny blame then it would be at a crowded restaurant. But adults? Transients? People without families? Looking for a job in the back of newspaper tier desperate? Oh yes that'll do. And sure, these robots aren't purpose built murder machines, but it'll do, they'll still stuff em and those schmucks don't stand a chance. He'll just need someone to help run things given that stuffings are a bit...messy, and the hires will have to be checked over. Also, William being let go due to lack of evidence is a book thing. The games explicitly say 'convicted'. That one word means charged successfully in a court of law. So either this is the one retconn(which means you can't use that excuse for any other elements of my theory) or SOMEONE was framed. And Henry is MIA for decades...(not to mention even in the books several people privately suspected him and it contributed to his end). So he's held power after MCI, he's worked at Fazbear's after MCI, and he's built a purpose built death trap once before. Oh and William knows firsthand the old animatronics attack people dressed like guards. He was there in FNAF 2. In fact he was THE first person to get this info. So why not take advantage of that and bring in some people nobody would miss. Plus there's the fact FNAF 1 and 2 are the only games with GAME OVER screens that actually show something, in both cases being Stuffed. However, note that FNAF 1's scene is from the camera perspective, and the room is well lit(so it's morning and someone else is looking at us), FNAF 2's is from the dying victims POV with the red tint. I've been pitching the combo theory ("FNAF 1 is a front for remnant harvesting rather than a proper business" and it's associated "Phone Guy was being forced to work with William in the early 90s" theory) since 2022 or 2021, and I want to see just one video on it before that Phone Guy book comes out. Please, you can just take everything I gave you. I don't even need credit. I just want it out there. If you need titles, "FNAF 1: The Bear's Honeypot" and "Phone Guy: Only Following Orders"

[@dylanhudec979]

Unrelated but I feel like William Asal glitchtrap wasn’t such a bad idea as many people claim it to be but I feel like the execution of it was done poorly because since security breach was such a cluster fuck we never really got to see glitchtraps time to shine since he had such a great role and help wanted which also sucks because his counterpart Vanny had so much potential too because she could’ve been his little puppet to continue his legacy as the antagonist until she could bring him back this concept is actually simple and good. There’s no generic plot hole or anything confusing but simple like a normal story but done poorly (this is just my opinion)

[@Waffel6969]

damn such high quality content and only 217 subs? you really deserve more

[@Vanzolin]

Thank you so much! Really appreciate your compliment :)