WHAT DISNEY NEEDS TO LEARN FROM 'ANDOR' | Double Toasted

WHAT DISNEY NEEDS TO LEARN FROM 'ANDOR' | Double Toasted - Today at Double Toasted we discuss Andor, what we liked and didn't like about the Andor series (kind of a light Andor review), and then discuss what Disney should learn from Andor. What is your thoughts on Andor season 1? Are you excited for Andor season 2? Let us know in the comment section below.
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[@Faction.Paradox]

A show with no cameos, no references & no misty-eyed nostalgic creative imprisonment. More like this please, Disney.

[@gigi2672]

But your post is wrong lol.

[@dnice4145]

I agree this is how you branch off from the familiar.

[@gigi2672]

@@dnice4145 thata great but Andor has done things that person claimed it didn't. Saw was totally a cameo, a relevant one but he still was a cameo. And Andor has plenty of references. And there will for sure be things in Season 2 that have to cross paths with Star Wars Rebels. Andor is a good show but the attitude of it being a superior product for not having blatant cameos, references and callbacks is ridiculous.

[@zeroskaterz92]

So we're gonna pretend like Saw and Death Star weren't shown in the show or something?

[@mikelach7550]

Not really there where many easter eggs and Cameos but you Should connect the pieces !!

[@ashtonturner2862]

Hands down Andor is the best Star Wars property I have ever watched. I was completely moved by the story, the characters, and the music. I literally wanted to join the rebellion and fight the Empire by the end of the season 😆 . It felt more like an HBO show than a Disney+ because of the high quality of the writing. More Star Wars fans need to watch the show.

[@pg9193]

it's the quality of an HBO show but with the standards of a Lucasfilm product - which means no sex scenes/pointless nudity, very limited bodily fluids (i.e. blood) and very limited cursing. It's a relief to be treated like an adult without needless sex scenes where some asshole is cheating on his girlfriend and then graphically stress vomits before having his head blown off like most HBO shitshows.

[@isasooner5]

Tony Gilroy writing this series, is the reason why it's so good!

[@kumorizora2507]

@@pg9193 lack of sex and blood=being treated "like an adult"?

[@pg9193]

@@kumorizora2507 exactly, you wouldn't understand because you're a child (regardless of your age) who needs edgelord tactics to maintain your uncultured attention.

[@kumorizora2507]

@@pg9193 you sure you replied to the right comment? Your reply makes no sense to my comment

[@mnoir7257]

'Andor' is easily the best Star Wars since Empire. It might be the best written Star Wars that ever was.

[@mnoir7257]

The 12 episode run time was fantastic. We got to actually simmer in those moments. In a lesser Star Wars show Andor would have been arrested and escaped in one episode. With the 12 episode run we got to feel the helplessness of prison.

[@OneRandomVictory]

While I do agree, I do feel that the pacing could have been a little tighter. I honestly think they could have shrunk the episode count from 12 to 10 and been a little more effective at holding the audience captive cause there were times where it felt like it dragged on a bit. This can be especially noticeable at the start of the show where It really takes that 3rd episode to grab a lot of people and I heard a lot of people checked out before they ever got there.

[@artarealmblazer8452]

I do love how the various missions and scenarios are multi episode, so everything has weight. Actually seeing the oppression of the inmates in the prison makes it feel more real, and makes their escape more impressive when you’ve actually lived in what they are going up against.

[@ccb621]

@@OneRandomVictory bingo! I nearly quit the show after the first two episodes, which I found boring. I stayed because of positive reviews on Reddit and Twitter. At a minimum, the two episodes could have been combined into one. I'm curious if the viewership data shows high abandonment after those two episodes.

[@andremotivation6561]

This show gives a New Hope, Empire Stirkes Back and Return of the Jedi more weight. I think Luthen might be my favorite Star Wars character, his monologue about sacrifice was godly

[@DDarkestKnight]

Well it gives A New Hope more weight, you're going to need to do some lifting for Return of the Jedi. Luthen's really good and you can tell he's the guy the Rebel's erased from history and he'd be fine with that

[@DuragDumask]

@@DDarkestKnight I don't know why the part "he's the guy the rebels erased from history" made me chuckle. To be honest, I think Mon Mothma will suppress Luthen's contributions to the rebellion for the simple fact that him and Saw were extremist.

[@kutlumzrak2689]

@@DDarkestKnight Rebellion erased everyone but Mon Mothma from its history... Because the story of Saw Gerrera and Luthen are not really something you tell to people and expect them to respect your New Republic. They were radical terrorists at the end of the day.

[@DDarkestKnight]

@@kutlumzrak2689 It would go against the black and white narrative that the Rebellion sold to the galaxy (and the Star Wars fandom)

[@chasehedges6775]

Andor is the best Star Wars thing we have ever gotten. It’s Star Wars for older adults.

[@DDarkestKnight]

For the first time ever they made Star Wars for adults lol

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

Eew.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

How old is “older adults”? Like… middle age? Elderly?

[@kumorizora2507]

Mando and clone wars say hi

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

@@oneskillpoint4669 I thought middle aged people had the most power and influence.

[@dnice4145]

Love the show, don't find it boring at all.

[@DDarkestKnight]

You're apart of a few then

[@RaikenXion]

It drags out the story arcs WAY TOO MUCH, bits of "Real World" swearing here and there, sprinklings of "Implied Sex", music doesn't even sound Starwarsy. Those were my issues with it; otherwise production quality, lived-in worlds, dialogue and gritty tone i loved.

[@JohnnyZenith]

Because it isn't boring. Those who say it is are low cognitive thinkers who need to be spoon fed and had shallow gratification.

[@dnice4145]

@@RaikenXion interesting, do you take issue with the lack of swearing/sex content? I like that the music and the show feels different from Star wars as a whole. I could see how some find that the show drags but I like that the plot is more detailed and that they take their time to tell the story. Too many Disney Plus shows I find are too short with seasons that don't make any sense in terms of numbers of episodes. I think this season did a really good job in setting the show up for a long running narrative that takes place over several seasons.

[@kingofthesharks]

Andor is a Star Wars show for people who've quite...actually...possibly...watched character/political dramas beyond Star Wars :P

[@EdwardSanchezProductions]

I feel so bad for the cast and crew of Andor because the show deserves some love and support

[@ArmaHipHopTV]

It's getting love and it's probably the biggest show they've been in regardless. It does deserve more though, seems like it'll be a cult classic and keep growing overtime.

[@themoviecritic1092]

Seeing interviews with the cast are amazing as you can tell they really really love being a part of the show

[@krisblunt6293]

Keep trying to pry the woke agenda into films and they'll continue to have flops.

[@RaikenXion]

I don't! They all got Paid, and their coming back for the second season.

[@RaikenXion]

@@krisblunt6293 Yep, it really is that simple (although i wouldn't say that word too loudly on here, Korey hates that word).

[@mnoir7257]

The Mon Mothma stuff was some of my favourite aspects of the series. It was the best written political machinations in Star Wars ever. Those scenes showed just how bad all the prequel scenes about politics really were. 'Andor' had scenes of people just sitting in a room talking and they were riveting.

[@Fenris30]

Well the majority of politics are done in the back rooms. It was in The backrooms where Sheev put it into Padme's head to call for the vote no confidence that got him the big chair. It was also in the backroom where he put the thought in Jar Jars head to call for a vote to grant him special powers. It's in the back rooms where the real stuff happens.

[@Tamlinearthly]

I for one was not riveted by a fictional heiress' bank account.

[@matthewjordan7297]

This 100%! Star Wars has always struggled with the political side of its own story. The prequels ended up being clunky and confusing because the writing didn't contain the necessary sophistication. Andor corrected that problem.

[@mnoir7257]

@@Tamlinearthly Ok. Let me get ya some lightsabers

[@isasooner5]

When I saw it was written by Tony Gilroy, I was like this makes sense as to why!

[@themoviecritic1092]

FINALLY, THEY FINALLY TALKED ABOUT ANDOR AGAIN

[@RaikenXion]

Now they need to talk about the "Bobs" lol.

[@floydg16]

Andor was a property that I wasnt even sure I really needed. Turned out to be an excellent show with honestly some of the best writing and genuine acting in a Star Wars property of all time. Great dialogue. That speech at the end made even me want to grab a blaster and shoot one of the damn empire troopers.

[@councilornevec8249]

By far one of , if not, some of the best Star wars content, well ever. A grounded story with grounded and believable characters with a Empire that is actually smart and terrifying. This is what I've wanted to see in Star wars for a long time not even the *OG trilogy had that in my opinion. Other shows and movies dipped around in this tone but this fully embraced it. The only other things to give me the full tone of groundedness were books like, The Alphabet Squadron Trilogy, Twilight Company, and Inferno Sqaud, they are somefantastic books.

[@andremotivation6561]

That tie fighter scene, prison break and Luthen's monologue alone made this on par with the original, maybe better.

[@councilornevec8249]

@@andremotivation6561 *OG trilogy

[@moxiemaxie3543]

What's the difference between "one of the" and "some of the"? Legit question

[@councilornevec8249]

@@moxiemaxie3543 @Moxie Maxie I can't write, I meant "one of, if not, the best" but put "some of" in there for some reason.

[@Tamlinearthly]

"Smart?" The Empire are fucking morons here; they got an entire garrison robbed by seven dudes with rifles and an antique compass.

[@Cauldron6]

Andor is the show I've wanted from the Star Wars universe since the Prequels. The politics of the SW galaxy is SO intriguing and Andor managed to tell that story within such a tight, clever and thrilling narrative. This show deserves ALL the accolades!

[@realityshifter3399]

31:11 Yeah, I'm not buying that the reason Andor isn't getting a massive audience is because of "bad Star Wars stories". Kenobi and Boba Fett may have been a disappointment, but people still watched it. I think it has more do with the fact that Andor is not a "legacy" character and not directly connected to the Skywalker saga.

[@solisprime2669]

No it was primarily due to Kenobi and Boba much like how LJ caused Solo to bomb. Mandalorian was a new character and became very popular and this was around ROS. Rogue one has a bunch of new characters that are beloved to the point the movie itself is considered the best of the disney movies. And one of the complaints of mandalorian is them bringing in legacy characters like Luke sure was awsome but also could have been done with other Jedi like Ashoka and or a new Jedi.

[@realityshifter3399]

@@solisprime2669 Yeah, no. Rogue One did NOT have characters that were widely beloved, that is revisionist history. Other than couple of characters, a lot of Star Wars fans could take or leave most of the characters in RO. Also, I don't want to hear that TLJ caused Solo to bomb when Solo isn't connected to sequel trilogy. Nor does it explain why ROS crossed a billion if TLJ supposedly caused Solo to bomb.

[@mickiemallorie]

It's a bit slow...(a good thing to me) but people want action every scene.

[@solisprime2669]

@@realityshifter3399 they are beloved though to you maybe but everyone who speaks fondly of the movie speaks fondly of the characters. Also it did tlj cause cause solo to bomb cause fans were split and angered on the treatment of Luke the hero of Starwars. Also so what if ros passed a billion because do you see Disney continue that era of starwars no. Why cause the fans hated it. Not the sequel fans actual fans. You noticed how they are milking the empire and clone era barley touching the high republic and completely ignoring the sequel era even though ROS made over a billion. Disney wants to make money they know fans hated the sequel again true fans not those fake sequel fans.

[@realityshifter3399]

@@solisprime2669 Define everyone? A few people on Reddit doesn't constitute as everyone. Also, how did it cause Solo to bomb when Solo was prequel that had NOTHING to do with sequel trilogy. And why did TROS cross a billion if the audience was still mad at TLJ? Furthermore, there is literally a series that take place during the high republic in development right now. And there is discussion about the new films take place after the sequel trilogy, not to mention that Galaxy Edge is BASED on the sequel trilogy. But sure only "real fans" think the way you do.

[@LurveCheruB]

Had a GREAT time watching Andor, gave me a lil bit more faith in the Star Wars franchise

[@JGfromSpace.]

Andor will go down as some of the best Star Wars ever made. It’s a bummer the ratings are down when compared to other SW series, but I think folks will come around by the time season 2 drops. I think season 2 ratings will go up.

[@nyiniamako]

I agree with Martin. It isn't "fun". It wasn't supposed to be. It's a dark political spy thriller that just happens to have a Star Wars label. That's what makes it great.

[@EdwardSanchezProductions]

I love Andor so much

[@milestrombley1466]

Star Wars isn't just for kids and families. It is a galaxy full of different stories, dark and heroic.

[@DDarkestKnight]

Shh! Don't say that out loud the "true" fans will have you killed!

[@zangoon4546]

Star Wars doesn’t need to be gritty it just needs good writing, thankfully Andor delivered on that. Star Wars being family friendly is what makes it special in the first place

[@RaikenXion]

The trouble is Disney is a "Family Oriented Business" so it's very hard to get them to understand the issue of getting a "Balance". If "Resistance" is too "Childish", is Andor too "Adult"??

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

@@zangoon4546 Yeah but the reason people really got into Star Wars is when it embraced its dark tone in Empire. There's a reason why most people can agree that that is the best Star Wars movie. It's because it was different. It's because it was darker. It's because it allowed a loss for our heroes that they could only come back stronger from. Star Wars is at its most memorable when it allows itself to be more than just a fun adventure for kids. Which is not inherently wrong but it's not all Star Wars should be allowed to be either.

[@thoomolong]

@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 People "got into Star Wars" with the first movie. And it darker is better, why isn't the audience for Andor the largest SW audience? (I know why, it was just a hypothetical question.)

[@TheJesselopez1981]

This show was great. One thing that it does really well is you know where you are in the time-line without it having to explain it to you. You get the sense that the empire's grip is tightening around everyone's neck and they are only going to get stronger. With all the other shows I had to constantly remind myself when this was all taking place. Even in the Mandalorian, it didn't feel like the empire was just toppled and I kept having to tell myself this was after Return of the Jedi.

[@ejr87r]

I freaking loved this show best Star Wars since Empire. Also, it's the best show of the year surpassing House of the Dragon for me. It doesn't have lightsabers or kid friendly content, of course it's not getting the audience, but if it was on HBO it would be getting the ratings.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

Assuming it’s not one of those shows that HBO would cancel due to the franchise’s general association with younger audiences.

[@ArmaHipHopTV]

Andor is the tone and care they need to give to Boba and the bounty hunters.

[@dragoonempire]

Underrated comment!!!

[@Inkbleedful]

Space Miami looked fun.

[@RaikenXion]

You been watching the Andor 1975 intro?

[@Inkbleedful]

@@RaikenXion Haven't yet

[@averystewart3117]

“There’s an ACTUAL GALAXY”! Well said

[@arisucheddar3097]

Next up maybe they'll acknowledge that planets are large. That's not a knock on Star Wars specifically. It feels like anything in space treats every planet like it's homogenous. Water planet, sand planet, forest planet... you know planets can have multiple things on one planet right?

[@robertgrier8943]

I loved this show . I stopped watching a months ago. I came back to it and loved it.

[@marlymarz]

Best Star Wars since the original imo

[@voljohe]

I surprised at Korey lack of patience for this show. 12 episodes wasn’t enough for me. I wanted more. The story and dialogue is tight. Everything is dense and every scene isn’t wasted. Anyway it’s my opinion and yours but I think the show was a master class of entertainment. Next season will be amazing.

[@TheLonelyGoomba]

The lesson from Andor is to not make a good show cos no one will watch it and call it boring.

[@prafessorfunkhammer1963]

But trip this, they make a Star Wars with Jedi, Sith, Bounty Hunters, cute Droids etc and the audience explodes! But here we have the most dramatic Star Wars ever and there's no audience. What does that say about the audience? I personally love it and can't wait for the second season.

[@lexis4490]

I think it is a little unfair because Star Wars means different things to different people. At the end of the day, it's franchise, not a studio. So you can only do so much with a franchise before you have to say it is not really what the original started out with. That's the real problem to me. How much can Lucasfilm really stretch the SW franchise?

[@Tamlinearthly]

"What does that say about the audience?" That they like "Star Wars" and that nobody was asking for "The Handmaid's Tale, but in space."

[@prafessorfunkhammer1963]

@@Tamlinearthly you're right, nobody asked for this, then why do so many people love it? Because a story can be told in more than one way. I loved the Mandalorian but I also love this and I don't have to choose between the two. This Star Wars story is being told from the perspective of ordinary people and it is so refreshing. I love seeing Jedi and Bounty hunters but I don't care if it only gets 2 seasons, it's the most detailed and dramatic Star Wars ever and there's nothing wrong with that!

[@Tamlinearthly]

@@prafessorfunkhammer1963: "So many people" being, according to this video, not particularly many. It's fine if you like the show, but if an Argument From Popularity doesn't carry then neither presumably should an Argument From Unpopularity. Also, I'm sorry, "ordinary people?" I guess we do see some everyday characters, like Cassian's mom--but lots of people had parents in this franchise, that's not remarkable. Most of the characters are politicians, military officers, spies, criminals, terrorists--or people whom we just don't find out much about at all.

[@prafessorfunkhammer1963]

@@Tamlinearthly Andor is not popular but that doesn't mean it isn't good. These unremarkable people, these people without (Jedi) powers who are willing to fight the Empire even though they don't stand a chance of winning is what makes it so compelling.

[@Stablemable2]

To me, Star Wars is like a theme park, you have rides suited for different thrills. SW shows are great, but certain fans look for more action, more mature theme, more Whites as warriors, basically everything you can get out of a video game.

[@Tamlinearthly]

"Stars Wars" is a theme park; "Andor" is a law firm that works for that theme park.

[@ArmaHipHopTV]

Andor is better than anything Disney has done with Marvel too.

[@MJW98101]

Too bad the creative that handled and produced Andor, had not been in control of the prequel trilogy, they would have been amazing.

[@jwolf8371]

Yes, not every Star Wars story has to be "epic". I just need a cool ship flying by a moon onto a cool planet. It could be a spy thriller, horror movie, romantic comedy, anything from there. Have some droids and a couple aliens. That's all I want, a good story in a cool universe.

[@OrionInSpace]

If anything it's not what Disney can learn I feel this show is about what Star Wars fans can learn more so... So many have thoughted that this show isn't "Star Wars" including some high level Star Wars KZbinrs who have no idea what they are talking about. This show is absolutely Star Wars. Everything about it to the point where even I have come to saying that this season is maybe the truest form of Star Wars we have gotten since the original trilogy based off what the idea around what Star Wars is from George Lucas. Yes I said it. We don't need a General Grevious show in the light of Andor like certain people have said (if you get that reference good on you).😂

[@user-dl1zx9sr4q]

What about the pace of Andor. In the first episode I started to get bored, but then I realized that this is the pace of the blade runner. It helped me to adjust to the pace of the story and after that I really enjoyed every minute of the series. Andor does require some getting used to the pace.

[@lukesmale24]

I think it's missing a big component which is the kid audience. Kid audience has been a MASSIVE component to 40 years of success. Look at TPM. Kids kept the prequels making money despite the older guys (like me) complaining. I'm loving Andor, but kids can't watch it and as a guy with a kid, that does hurt it

[@brentrazz6355]

Ya I saw it. It looks good. Great acting. But I can watch others things like it in a movie. Also they could have done this with the force.

[@kristinab3838]

I would say that the most important thing that Disney/ Lucasfilm should take away is having a cohesive story, with rich characters, that the creators have really something to say. To not rely on nostalgia crack to get eyes pm your shows. Favreau had so little to say about boba fett he had Mando co-op 2 episodes.

[@kaysha]

Best Star Wars show for me. A balance of this type of show & Mando is perfect. Enough with the fan service without good stories

[@thwipsnoogins2081]

I think the most poetic thing to happen to Syril Karn is that he fails upwards so far that somehow he ends up as direct subordinate to Vader himself and he's so proud of himself, but he supremely fucks up his very first assignment and just gets force choked to death on the bridge of Vader's Star Destroyer and his corpse is ejected into space from the trash compactor right before the ship hits hyperdrive to float around the nothingness of space with the rest of the trash.

[@user-EB2016]

If Andor would have came out closer to after Rogue one was released, it would have been a hit but the fan base been turned off. Dropping Andor right after Obi Wan was a mistake.

[@gcolbyp]

I’ll be honest from the first few episodes, I was basically in the minority on this show and thought it was kinda boring, but luckily the show did grow on me as it went on and I ended up liking it. I’m not in love with it like a lot of people but it was definitely solid. And I think the main reason why it didn’t get a lot of viewership, you can say Star Wars fatigue (especially the mediocre or bad ones we’ve gotten) plays into this but you guys mentioned how Andor isn’t a legacy character, it’s really more so that in Rogue One, he just wasn’t that interesting. I know people love Rogue One (I’m not one of them), but one of the things people criticize that movie for was that the characters were flat, so hearing that they’re making a spin off on one of those characters probably didn’t grab people’s interest. That’s my two cents of it.

[@1977TA]

To the young people specifically those born between 1990 and 2000, you need consider that the old people are the strongest part of the Star Wars fanbase. We are the ones Disney needs to bring in first. We are the ones the fan service is geared for because we are old enough to be nostalgic for source material from which it comes from. Young people were first exposed to Star Wars during the prequel era. You were not born when the story actually began in 1977. Coming in during the prequel era is not the same as following the franchise from the original trilogy to the current era. Star Wars IS for the old people. It was ours before you guys were born so don't get cocky kids.

[@tristanmilner9511]

Andor has he tone people wanted with Solo and Book of Boba Fett.

[@deanthemachine8879]

My hope is that they take the right lessons from Andor (better writing, mature stories, care & effort put into the production, etc) and not the wrong lesson that most studios would: “Star Wars should be *dark* ” It doesn’t have to be dark to be good; it has to be GOOD to be good. Explore more writers and directors like Tony Gilroy willing to do a new creative take on the IP and let them cook

[@JamesBond-ke2qh]

Empire employee of the month: receives force choke as congratulations

[@Austin021]

THE best thing they have produced outside of Rouge One

[@mickiemallorie]

One of the best series this fall...any genre.

[@kristian_goddard]

Andor will find it’s audience eventually.

[@darkestphotog]

One thing I enjoyed about the Mandalorian is they also opened up the world and expanded on everyday life in this fictional universe.

[@savagedonut]

Its the best StarWars show and its fun in its own way - because its very good -> gives satisfaction

[@tylerhackner9731]

Love this show a lot

[@a.f.watcher8888]

I really enjoyed this, I started reading some of the EU recently and SW does have a surprising amount of variety and tones, including various characters. I can only theorize that the low numbers are due to how polarized the Franchise has become. I’d like to hear other theories apart from what DT discussed.

[@benshelley3544]

For the first time the empire felt oppressive. Like it needed to be rebelled against, but so hopeless.

[@cs3473]

Maarva's speech in the finale reminded me a lot of Les Miserables (the musical), specifically "Do your hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men? It is the music of the people who will not be slaves again! When the beating of your heart echoes the beating of the drums, There is a life about to start when tomorrow comes!"

[@Planag7]

Glad you talked about it and yeah I do have faith that it's going to be okay I think honestly by the Time season 2 comes around in a year or so it's going to pick up some steam just by people catching up and watching the show getting ready for the second season so there will at least be that

[@omega458]

I stopped watching on episode 4.... I felt like nothing was happening, it was just "get off the planet" finally I heard good things, and went back this week and binged it, and wow did the story and writing get so much better! definitely needs a watch, cause rogue one is the only disney movie i liked

[@randizzle99]

Andor deserves a prime time audience tbh.

[@rickyd-lux9067]

It's been a top 10 show during its' run. Part of the lower numbers are because it's not kid friendly. That's cutting your audience in half. A lot of parents aren't as comfortable letting their kids watch this, and even if they did, a lot of kids would get bored. That said, the adult side of Star Wars fandom has been much more receptive, and they're the ones paying the bills in every house. It's less about viewership and more about customer retention.

[@matheuslascasas134]

You know what they’re going to learn? That the Disney audience doesn’t watch adult oriented content

[@bruno17289]

Andor is flopping because deep down most of the audience just want nostalgia. They don't want Star Wars to be better, they want to hear the robot say Roger Roger.

[@JDotWill]

This show made Empire bureaucracy & Galactic politics interesting.

[@garronphillip]

Andor was great! Watched Rogue One for the 2nd time right after the finale!

[@otakoman0056]

The best Star Wars show right next to mando

[@luisd7636]

amazing show. I wouldve liked more episodes.

[@stvnhthr]

Spot on review. Andor is not getting viewership because that first episode was very s-l-o-w and Disney has put too much corporate/marketing junk and virtual signaling into their latest stories. People aren't rejecting Star Wars, they are rejecting Disney's mishandling of so many properties. It is Disney fatigue.

[@miniminerx]

I think season 2 will have more action or faster pacing, atleast that is what i read. Dunno where tho so i can totally back up my claim

[@DDarkestKnight]

No more lightsabers, no more dark side/light side crap, NO MORE SKYWALKERS!

[@allanbroady2970]

That's some wishful thinking if you think that's gonna go away.

[@DDarkestKnight]

@@allanbroady2970 It can be if these "true" fans stopped blowing every glowstick they see. Steady the course: stay morally grey, make the air battles look cooler, and if they need to capitulate, keep that other crap in animation and Legos

[@allanbroady2970]

There definitely space to do something different but I doubt it will ever go away. Those things are too much of a draw of the general audience

[@DDarkestKnight]

@@allanbroady2970 I honestly can't fault them. They're the actual target audience and are capable of enjoying things. The real problem are those 40 year old mouth breathers

[@kumorizora2507]

Trash ass opinion. Good star wars is good star wars. There is zero inherently wrong with anything you mentioned.

[@kaliskonig]

Im sure Andor is great. Im just burnt out at the moment on the property and will get to it after a break. Im sure many feel the same. These shows are dropping at a rapid pace.

[@kraftyNiNja]

This is why I bailed on boba fett and completely skipped obi wan. Felt the fatigue setting it. Glad I stopped and jumped onto this show instead.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

When it comes to fan service, I don’t think it can be entirely avoided when it comes to certain characters. I mean, pretty much anything having to do with Obi-Wan post-RotS is going to involve Luke in some manner since that’s the reason why he’s on Tatooine in the first place. And I dunno if I would call Leia’s role in “Kenobi” unneeded since it was there to help try and smooth the continuity between the films more. Like, you had her in episode IV reacting as if she knew who Kenobi was in person, and yet episode III ended with them seemingly never chancing upon each other. Much like how his second confrontation with Darth Vader was there to sync the prequel continuity up with the original trilogy, I thought this was a good way of explaining that oversight. Whether it was executed well is debatable.

[@mauriciohalo2081]

To be honest there are a lot less people complaining about nostalgia!! Andor is being put through other apps, because I didn’t do that well stream wise!! The first episode of Obi-Wan, hit the highest streams of any of the other TV shows on Disney + !! There are multiple KZbin videos of people crying when Luke Skywalker shows up at the end of Mandalorian!! Baby Yoda nostalgia, getting ready to sell toy, save Star Wars!! There wouldn’t be an an Andor TV showw, without baby Yoda

[@fjnemo]

Idk why Disney tries so hard to be PG, kids my age and below like dark shows and hate watching PG content. This show was so hard hitting and made you actually fear the empire and the stormtroopers actually hit their targets. No one watched this show coz we had been disappointed way too many times by Disney. The show wasn't boring, it had the same pace as GOT, LOTR, House of Cards, Breaking Bad etc. We don't need Jedis all the time and flashy lightsaber fights

[@hallroney]

If you find the politics of the show boring you did not understand anything, the show IS about politics: the rising of the rebelion and the transformation of the empire in such an evil machine

[@DavidMyrmidon]

Korey. The Problem with Obi-Wan wasn't little Leia. It was REVA. She is a terribly written character, that was created purely for emotional manipulation.. and THEY LET HER LIVE! ...jfc... Leia's silly segments are stupid, but they're supposed to be childish. There's no reason Reva's. That being said, I was not bored at all while watching any of them. Boba-Obi-Andor.. mainly because I don't have a short attention span that needs to be distracted by some Explosions every 2nd second. And every time someone mentions a 'Legacy Character', my interest switches off. Cause I am not attached to the nostalgia like the rest of these - fans. Andor was Great because the creators were given leeway to tell their story, their way. And I hope they get another Season.. cause I too want to continue seeing the Universe expand. Maybe a Solo series.

[@ashtonturner2862]

The show as a whole was poorly written and executed badly.

[@andedom]

Great review fellas. Only thing I’ll strongly disagree with is that this story should have had less episodes. This show was a masterpiece, imo.

[@jeremypayne2040]

I love the effects and set design of this show. Obi won you could tell a lot of that show was on an obvious set and it felt cheap.

[@artboymoy]

I loved this show. I totally agree with you that it expands the universe and gets us invested in new characters while feeling like we are in the Star Wars universe. This is the world that Luke and Biggs wanted to get off of Tattooine and join in on the fight. It was refreshing. Unlike you I liked the pacing. All the scenes added more of the flavor and injected some points to push the story or fill out the world. When Mon Mothma is talking about Chandrilla traditions early on, who know it would play a key role in the end. Season 2 will probably be more of the pacing that you're looking for. But I like the introduction to a scenario, an episode of fleshing it out and ratcheting up the tension, and then the third episode you let go and enjoy the ride. What Disney needs to do is create more projects with a high level or writing and excellent production values. All Star Wars should be top tier, unless you're really playing to sell toys then they can dumb it down and have a fun adventure. I'm here for the grittier side of the universe.

[@pcb462]

Another thing Disney better learn is that Star Wars didn’t become one of the biggest IP’s ever by focusing on “non-force” characters. Star Wars and The Force/Lightsabers ARE what made this. We’ve had enough “non-force” shows. They need to get back to their roots and either jump far enough into the future so legacy characters are not an issue or far enough into the past (old republic) for the same reason.

[@pcb462]

When I say we’ve had enough “non-force” shows, I don’t mean they can’t still be part of the line up. But so far we’ve not gotten a single show that’s focus is about Jedi. Mando gives us the force sparingly. We need a show that brings us back to Jedi/Sith all the time. It needs to be untethered to legacy characters. Another part of the universe….a different galaxy from the Skywalker one.

[@under_score3829]

I’m so sick of this dichotomy that the only two options are “Empire / Rebellion with familiar human characters” or “Empire / Rebellion with unfamiliar human characters.” There are other ways to make Star Wars “feel fresh” and still “feel like Star Wars.” How about showing us the Republic for once? How about showing us more than two aliens at a time? To me, Andor feels very similar to everything else disney puts out because it’s the same setting: the Empire. And I like Andor a lot, but one of the things that makes it Star Wars is specific ALIENS like the ones from the Prequels. Most people who say it doesn’t feel like Star Wars aren’t saying it because “It doesn’t have Skywalkers” or “It doesn’t have Boba Fett.” They say it because Andor ignores so many of the unique alien cultures and species who live in the galaxy. And strange alien worlds like Felucia or Cato Neimoidia or Rodia. If anything, there ought to be more non-human characters than human ones as the Empire discriminated against aliens more than humans. You guys were right about one thing: digging into the innerworkings of things is a good idea to make things feel fresh. But Star Wars has actually done that before. One of the reasons people love the Clone Wars show so much is that it goes out of it’s way to explore different cultures of different species. The Rodians of Rodia, the Lurmen of Maridun, the Pantorans of Pantora and their neighbors, the Orto Plutonians, the Twi-Leks of Ryloth, the Dugs of Malastare, the Geonosians of Geonosis, the Hutts of Nal Hutta, the Hybrid Zabrak Nightbrothers and Nightsisters of Dathomir, the Trandoshans of Trandosha, the Calamari & the Quarren of Mon Calamari, the people of Balnab and Petitite Pattuna, the Umbarans of Umbara, the Zygerrians of Zygerria, the people of Quarzite, the Muuns of Muunilinst & Scipio, the Dagoyan Mystics of Bardotta. They even show the people of Raxus, the capital of the Separatists, and show us their point of view. That’s part of why the Mandalorian was so interesting - Mandalorians are a specific culture. And, Baby Grogu was interesting for the same reason - we’re learning more about Yoda’s species (or at least we could have if they weren’t so anal about avoiding Yoda’s mythology like the plague). Ignoring the aliens of Star Wars is ignoring a big part of what Star Wars has to offer. I also don’t like this dichotomy of “Skywalkers should be in everything all the time” vs “Skywalker should never be in anything ever again.” It’s all about context. Familiar characters should show up if the context is appropriate, and not otherwise. It’s not as simple as “familiar = bad”. “Star Wars has never shown us the minutia before.” Spoken like someone who’s never read any of the novels. Go read X-Wing: Rogue Squadron and tell me Star Wars has never explored the minutia of government or military before.

[@lexis4490]

I think Andor being a prequel doesn't help either. I know what's going to happen with the main character. I saw that movie. So that character has to be really interesting or surrounding characters need to be really interesting. And they are alright. Story is good, setting is beautiful, characters are okay.

[@Tamlinearthly]

Most people don't even remember who Cassian Andor is, even if they did watch "Rogue One"; and if they do remember, zero people walked out of "Rogue One" thinking, "Now that's a movie that needs a 12-hour prequel about a single supporting character."

[@kutlumzrak2689]

@@Tamlinearthly This show wasn't about Andor. It was about Rebellion. This is not some bullshit rebellion that a little girl denigrates by saying "Isn't this a Rebellion? I rebel." (puke), this is a serious conglomeration of oppressed masses. This is Rebellion's prequel. This is as much about Rebellion's founding as Rebels was.

[@Tamlinearthly]

@@kutlumzrak2689: Well it ain't called "Rebels," that's another show.

[@ganapati2623]

The actual capitalist realism that we are living in is so overwhelming that Disney can allow itself to produce a fresh anti-capitalist show that people are hungry for. They know that people will just consume it without questioning what it really means. Now that is a Empire.

[@DoodOverThere]

Such a good show

[@ericodinson6593]

Andor It's probably going to end up like a show like the expanse where they don't get a lot of traction until a season or 2 are in and then people realize just how friggin good it is and then it becomes popular

[@shakirfoster9292]

Andor, the show that had 20% action scenes that bored the hell out of my children....thanks Kathleen

[@leonel87658]

I was pleasantly surprised with this series, I really liked how they finally make the galaxy tangible, and how they showed how law inforcement worked in the universe, I did think that the story dragged a little with Andor in the prision, specially with Andy Serkins shutting everyone up who tried to figure things out, but I even liked the political aspects and the tension surrounding Mon Mothma

[@Tamlinearthly]

Really? Was everyone sitting around watching Star Wars all these years thinking, "Hmm, I wonder what kind of paperwork the bureaucrats in Imperial Security have to fill out for this kind of thing?" Really?

[@leonel87658]

@@Tamlinearthly yeah, at least I was, that could be cool, like the office of the star wars universe, or at least that could be more interesting than the obligated space chase, after force awakens I could not tell them apart from each other

[@JohnTube2K]

Here’s why I am not watching and I am a huge Star Wars fan…. After Disney screwed up the latest movie trilogy, destroyed Bobafet’s legacy, ruined Hans in his solo movie, and the last straw was a questionable Obiwan series…. ONLY the Mandilorian brough back some faith to Star Wars… but by the time Andor came around, my faith in Disney handling Star Wars was very low and I didn’t want to be disappointed again. Even though Andor is getting good reviews, I didn’t feel like investing my time in the series. Any good will I had for the Star Wars series had hit a low. Also, as long as Kathleen Kennedy is there and totally mishandled Star Wars, my interest will continue to be low. Disney needs to bring out a legit Star Wars movie to redeem themselves. Other than Mandilorian, I won’t be watching any of the other Star Wars series.

[@KurtDPalmer]

To me, Andor feels like Broadchurch launching a comedy show set in the same universe.

[@lifewells4122]

Another amazing episode as always and Martin's back I would say keep up the good work but you're already doing that nice job 💯👍🤺

[@ThaPimpminista]

Cory how many times did you say in this video that "it doesn't feel like Star Wars"? That right there should tell you why the majority of the audience didn't watch this show. You say Rogue One is the best of the Disney era movies, but what do people talk about the most from that movie? That Darth Vader hallway scene. So a show like Andor while it may be good, alienated a LOT of people by boasting about the fact that there are no cameos and no Force users. To a lot of people myself included, Star Wars is the struggle between Jedi and Sith. It's the mysticism of the Force. Without that element, you've got "Saving Private Andor". If a show is great, but nobody watches it, is it really that great?

[@gregv2k]

Double Toasted is just so great. Love you guys, love your takes.

[@Rak-Nay]

This show is another Dune and Blade Runner, everybody praise it for its quality, but few people really want to watch it.

[@BoomorBust]

This is some of the most elite writing on TV...idk what else to say.

[@wagerobot5231]

The first episode didn't hook me. I thought Andor was an interesting morally grey character, but the pacing was slow and I wasn't invested in the rest of the story. By episode 3 I was hooked because the gun fights with the space police started.

[@oolong2]

I think people are just missing the obvious... Since Andor isn't "kid friendly" Disney is missing out on a large family audience that it would normally get from a Star Wars show or movie. Many parents will put on a star wars movie for this kids even thought they're not into it. Lots of kids are also on Disney+ who are probably restricted to kid friendly content. So it makes sense that Disney would try to expand access to Andor beyond just Disney+ in order to capture more adult audiences.

[@steventcunliffe]

I love Andor, thanks for the discussion on your great show!

[@lewiep]

Best Star Wars since Empire. It's just a shame that they poisoned the well with the awful sequel trilogy, and leaned so hard into nostalgia with all the other shows. I can only imagine interests in this show would be much higher if not for the muddied water.

[@bimapringgo]

Start with a good story and characters. Andor is good enough to stand on its own and it doesn't need to be set in Star Wars universe. With some little adjustments it could be set in World War 2, or in Irish British conflict.

[@JokermanUno]

I'm going to Disney for Xmas/New Years (pray I don't get too mobbed) and I'm specifically saving this show for then.

[@waymanirwin2539]

Andor is easily the best Star Wars committed to screen since Return of the Jedi

[@RaviPillalamarri]

This was a great review. I'm not sensitive to slow pacing and don't bore easily but I see what you mean about 12 episodes. On the other hand, I was drinking this show in after so much crap star wars and I'll take as much of it as I can get.

[@snaketooth0943]

The reason I haven't seen Andor yet is because I just finished the first season of the Mandalorian and now I feel bad for having not seen it already.