What Do Seventh-Day Adventists Believe and Why?

[@JustinKhoe]

Hey Matt! Great job on the video! I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to come by and hang out. I know we got into the weeds on this one, but thanks for asking such good questions and for listening!

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

I appreciate you man! Thanks for putting up with my unending barrage of questions and for being a friend!

[@mimiwest3256]

So much obfuscation! Do you really feel okay about the skewed view of Adventism that the apologists always give? The dishonesty in the SDA church is staggering. Always has been, always will be.

[@LoCoWi]

@@mimiwest3256 I wonder what Matt would say to a friend who was considering leaving his church to go to a SDA church. Would Matt say "yep, go for it, they are true brothers in Christ", or "I don't recommend the SDA church for you to particpate in for these reasons........".

[@JustFollowJesus]

Mimi West tell me what was skewed, if you don’t mind

[@LoCoWi]

@@JustFollowJesus the part when Justin (I think) says keeping the sabbath doesn't save you. That's an outright lie.

[@dubber2001]

I come from the sda. And I've watched all you videos over some time. The reason I watch is the way you respect and handle these difficult conversations. Keep doing what you do man. I honestly believe the Lord has been guiding you. Thank you.

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

I appreciate that

[@clarkent61]

@@@MattWhitmanTMBH : I'm sure you do😊👍

[@tommymogaka]

*Amen!* Indeed he is open to truth... I'm SDA too and I keep searching out for truth.

[@renjurichard]

@Narrow Way To Life hey you should read aoc network blog on the sabbath its on aoc network. Org

[@renjurichard]

@Narrow Way To Life thank you brother

[@helmkaj]

I like that this is a literal Ten Minute Bible Hour.

[@TylerButh]

Took me a sec...

[@dimesonhiseyes9134]

Hey spoiler alert! I haven't made it to the end yet.

[@ragnarok8834]

The title is correct but incomplete, this video is a ten minutes and an hour video

[@porfiriojohn5276]

@Narrow Way To Life 12 - 26 - 20 #1 Ellen G White was a SELF Proclaimed Prophet #2 Adventism IS Catholicism #3 Adventism IS Mormonism ANSWER GRACE G - God's R - Riches A - At C - Christ's E - Expense Try it , don't be on the EXACT SAME eleven types of MASONIC PROBATIONS that Joseph Smith the 33rd Degree Freemason inserted into the text AND then obviously PLAGIARIZED by Ellen G White Jesus- GOD- YHWH- YAHWEH- YESHUA in the FLESH loves you and so do I AGAPE !

[@CIRRUSAURUS]

This is my favorite comment on this video 😆 🤣 😂

[@briansimmons3105]

Hi Matt, just wanted to say thanks for this video. I'm a Seventh-day Adventist Pastor. I love that you weren't shy about asking questions and pushing back, but that you were kind and thoughtful in your conversation and fair in your evaluation. You've really modeled for us how to interact with our brothers and sisters in Christ from different faith traditions. God Bless you!

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

I really appreciate that Brian.

[@hardwiredforsuccesreviews1619]

I have question pastor how does it feel teaching theology of demons to spiritually weak people as your religion is based on lies

[@hardwiredforsuccesreviews1619]

Your SDA lies are leading people into damnation and you know this I as a so called pastor teach your people the Bible and not the EGW theology teach them the Grace without the deeds of the law which you bound to time is running out make haste stop lying to your flock

[@medinarad]

Great discussion Matt! Thank you for your positive and open minded approach. As an SDA, I could relate to the perspectives shared by your guests. Even though we hold many interesting and unique understandings that we believe are clear in scripture, still, a daily relationship with Jesus is the most important. Our church is blessed to have so many programs, educational institutions and vibrant medical outlets that engage and nurture our members. Also great broadcasts with so many mission minded speakers like on Hope Sabbath School, Amazing Facts and PMC Church. I have several family members that had serious health conditions and were each able to receive great lifestyle improvements thanks to New Start, at Weimar California. If you ever do a follow up program you might be interested to know some of our end time views on the rapture, mark of the beast and America’s involvement in last day events. These are timely messages for us SDA. One final thought on the servant of the Lord, Mrs. Ellen. Reading the popular book Desire of Ages provides a quasi “Max Lucado “approach to the life of Jesus. You instantly realize that she was a avid bible student and had a tremendous love for Jesus. The prose is so moving and in-depth. She was prolific and wrote on a plethora of subjects all to nurture the Christian. We are often times misunderstood and sadly misrepresented at times. Your interview will help dispel the myths about the SDA. Thank you!

[@wacodeathcultband5074]

SDA is based on the teachings of EGW, not scripture

[@marymainville4214]

Im an Adventist was raised a Catholic. As an Adventist I was always taught the commandments dont save you, we obey God's laws because we are saved and love Jesus, thats why we keep them. Its not legalism to be obedient according to Jesus. Most people dont have a problem keeping all the commandments but for some strange reason they do about the 4th commandment, the longest and most detailed one, the 7th Day Sabbath commandment. It was made for man in the garden of Eden and will be observed in the earth made new according to scripture. Its really really important to keep all of God's laws they will protect you from deceptions like the Mark of the Beast.

[@samuelwilliams1559]

Thank you.

[@NarutokunJB]

Seen this time and again. Many Christians will completely void the whole 10 commandments in their efforts to evade the 4th.

[@TruthSeeker951]

The majority of Christians today believe the law - as well as the ten commandments were nailed to the cross with Jesus and is no longer valid. Further, since Constantine, and the Catholic church, changed the worship day to Sunday, which is called the "Lord's Day" makes it even more confusing. While I don't agree with some things the SDA believe, I do, however, believe they got it right with restoring the Sabbath Saturday, the original day of rest.

[@samuelwilliams1559]

@@TruthSeeker951 Thank you and GOD be with you. Let me know if you wish to discuss the other points. Follow Jesus.

[@PaulDavid70]

As a New Covenant Christian, why would you want to put yourself under the yoke of the law? (acts 15) under something that is old and ready to pass away? (heb 8)

[@charlietallman9583]

I'm a skeptical agnostic. But I love history. Studying the western history is impossible without understanding the nuances of Christianity. For that reason I find your channel VERY informative and enjoyable. I'm also not too proud to admit that I find some of what you discover inspiring.

[@GelidGanef]

This is just a great channel. Such chill vibes, so little judgment. There are only a few channels, of any faith, that cover the history of christianity so well. I really like Bart Ehrman also.

[@James_Wisniewski]

@@GelidGanef Ryan Reeves is great as well.

[@Hydrahandle7]

The seed has been sown, and Jesus makes sure everyone has at least one opportunity to be saved.. John 3:16

[@mjbry102]

Great job! I KNEW the payoff would be great after the cliffhanger from the first video. I began these videos knowing nothing about Seventh-Day Adventists, and have learned so much from your rich conversation. These conversations are one of my favorite things on KZbin. I never miss one. God bless you!

[@rafaelcarbone1387]

Matt Bryant - The problem is that when being interviewed knowing they are going to be viewed by masses of people, everyone is on their best behavior and not everything they say is the full honest truth on what their group believes. It becomes a very different story once someone joins that church. Little by little, more is revealed, expected and taught. And then, the person has either stopped thinking for themselves and has begun to follow the cult religiously, or they find themselves having deep conflicts with what the Bible says and what they are expected to believe. This is a dangerous time since many can easily fall off the cliff and lose their faith not just in that cult, but in God Himself. This doesn't just apply to the SDA. It's the same with Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, and other cults. Carefully selected speakers from the cream of the crop will spew forth their deceitful words which are capable of selling eskimos ice cubes! Matt 24:11- "Many false prophets will arise and deceive many". Tread through their words CAUTIOUSLY!

[@mimiwest3256]

@@rafaelcarbone1387 So well said, Rafael. Spot on!

[@robinrogers8917]

Do not go by these men watch kenneth cox and walter veith you will understand a whole lot better this was so painful to watch

[@AllHope23]

​@@rafaelcarbone1387 but God gives the discernment to understand it rightly. It's better to get things from the source than to download it from an outsider who potentially also wants to look as the real deal.

[@MiscMitz]

2 types of prophet: Foretell Tell For *Foretell* is what most think of. Predicting the future. *Tell For* is what a lot of prophets in the Bible actually were. Basically messengers.

[@diodagoat6735]

ellen white was deffently a tell for

[@eileenprice6909]

I’m an Evangelist and I am frustrated by people in the Church that claim a prophecy, it doesn’t happen ... yet the church keeps that person front and center. He Bible is very clear what to do with false prophets. They are to be expelled from any type of leadership roles, publicly removed because of the false prophecy- I personally think they should be encouraged to repent and continue to learn and be in the Bible, because It is a living breathing document gifted to us!!!!

[@latteknowsbest6365]

Yep Ellen White told for, then

[@KABfromLA]

@@eileenprice6909 so you don't believe in prophecies then?

[@XSquibX]

@@KABfromLA He may or may not, but that's not what he said. He just said that if someone prophesies something that doesn't happen, they should be deemed a false prophet and removed from any semblance of church leadership.

[@guitarhurricaine]

Sabbath is such a great commandment. You are granted an earthly day to rest, recover and reflect on the testimony of Yeshua. It’s a day to establish a strong relationship with our creator, develop stronger bonds with family, friends and even testify to the promise of our creator. God bless you all and happy holidays.

[@olgaburgos7780]

I am retired and I rest completely many days of the week, and I do feel grateful to God for that privilege , a physical rest is good but the spiritual rest in Jesus is what is a saving rest, so, daily I rest in Jesus for my soul, giving Him glory, honor, and all my love doings.📖✝️🙏❤️🌹

[@olgaburgos7780]

All the commandments are great , for our good , blessings and love, but they do not save us, only Jesus gospel saves us, because He paid for our not keeping perfectly the laws, so He kept them for us and when we believe that, He covers us with His Righteousness in the Day of judgment and there will not be found condemnation against us. Amen!😇✝️📖❤️🙏🥰

[@rickhuntling7338]

Why only one day per week? Heb. 4:7 said we aren't not bound by a certian day, our CHRIST Rest is 24\7 into eternity.

[@Karlvetz]

​@@olgaburgos7780Alleluia, Amen and Amen. Jesus is the way to the Father.

[@Karlvetz]

​@@olgaburgos7780Amen

[@chipanderson428]

Great interview. Thoughtful ,respectful back and forth ..I knew absolutely nothing about adventism .now I know a little more ! I love your approach to your vids ( why I keep returning to them). Thank you!

[@ScottSeverance]

One area that I think should be clarified is that Adventists, to my knowledge, have never considered William Miller to be a prophet. When the Millerites taught that Jesus would return on October 22, 1844, they weren't claiming a new revelation from God. Instead, they were teaching what they believed to be the correct interpretation of certain passages in the Bible. Thus, it isn't accurate to describe the Great Disappointment as a failed prophecy. A failed prediction, yes, but there's a big difference between saying that you believe the Bible teaches thus-and-such and saying that God told you thus-and-such.

[@truthbebold4009]

Correct. Also, I don't believe most churches even have a teaching on Daniel 8:14.

[@shure46]

100% correct , and Tim Lehay is certainly making an "interpretive mistake" with an entire book series , so I don't think anyone should be bashing William Miller ... At least Miller studied more and found out he was wrong about the EVENT by sincere continued study .... MANY preachers have SINCERELY taught erroneous things in all of history , "sincere errors they thought was truth" , and if they received more light , they corrected the mistake .... There's a guy who said he "went to Heaven for 90 minutes" (Don Piper , I think) .... He said "Heaven has 12 gates like it says in Revelation" ...... Revelation says "THE NEW JERUSALEM has 12 gates" , NOT "Heaven" .... Heaven doesn't have gates because it doesn't have walls !!!!! He's not only wrong , but he is wrong while claiming to be an eye-witness .... Yet he is on Christian TV all the time blathering this unbiblical nonsense unchallenged

[@johansteyn3756]

Yes. He was just part of a movement. it was not only him that came to this conclusion. One thing people also miss, is that Miller never became a SDA. He kept on making more date predictions and he never accepted the Sabbath.

[@innovationhq8230]

Just go through all the false prophecies of Ellen White.

[@robinrogers8917]

These guys misrepresented us grossly

[@pr.gonzalezsda117]

Hay Matt. As a SDA pastor this video was great. I like your neutral approach and the way you try to understand the most that you could. Really like your input. Blessings

[@kendallgonzalez3042]

I agree with you but sadly somebody is gonna try to attack you for being SDA so just watch out brother

[@clarkent61]

Is the truth neutral?

[@davidmoorman7062]

The Father wrought by His Son in the creation of all heavenly beings. - Patriarchs and Prophets, Pg. 34.2 1 Cor. 8:6

[@kgsfitness7806]

Hello Pastor...I have been an SDA for 25 years and, while I do also appreciate the kind way Matt represented us, I am curious what part you found "great?" Was it the part where he stated in his conclusion that we are a church with a "prophet as our foundation?" Was it the part where he stated William Miller was a "false prophet" and that we grew out of a "false prophecy?" Was it the part where he said the investigative judgement was "non-consequential?" I could go on for hours with all the things he, and unfortunately, his three hosts said, but I won't. I would love if you would like to write me back so you can I can have a further discussion :)

[@wacodeathcultband5074]

Why the he’ll would you be an Adventist pastor for? It must suck having to preach stuff that isn’t biblical?

[@nesterg2]

Matt, wow, I’m really impressed with your non judgmental, open minded, empathetic attitude, thank you. As an Adventist I wanted to reinforce and highlight some things that were said about your question on the investigative judgement. Your point I think was not questioning whether God makes judgements on people’s eternal destiny but why would He need a long drawn out formal process to do this. He is God, He knows all things and could do this in an instant. Adventist’s understand that there are really two things going on here. One is that humans are being judged based on their confession of sin and acceptance of Jesus as their sacrifice for their sins and secondly the Judge is being exceptionally transparent on how He is making His judgements because He Himself is on trial. Satan has made accusations that God is unfair so God is keeping careful record of everything in books. Not for Himself but for us and the angels and the universe to see and follow and review His work to answer satan’s accusation that God can’t be trusted. If God made instantaneous judgements that we couldn’t see He would have instantly killed Lucifer the moment he rebelled in Heaven. Why didn’t He do that and save all this misery and heartache? God knew that that action would have been right and just but the angels wouldn’t have known that. It wouldn’t have settled the matter. The angels would still have questions and might also believe God was unfair in His treatment of Satan but they would not say anything but would serve God out of fear rather than love. God is patiently allowing everyone to see and review His judgements that we may know He is love, He is fair and just. Thanks again.

[@ByGraceThroughFaith_]

As a former Adventist is pains my heart to hear a statement like "God is on trial". This type of thinking is found no where in the bible. God is the holy sovereign creator who sits in the heavens and does all that He pleases. None can stay His hand or say to Him "what have you done?". Not only that but the investigative judgement cannot be backed by scripture and I am willing to do a online video call to discuss this doctrine for anyone interested. My goal is not to hurt anyone or argue for the sake of arguing, but rather to speak the truth in love and glorify my Lord Jesus Christ in proclaiming and defending the pure biblical gospel of salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. The investigative judgement unfortunately distorts that beautiful message.

[@KLuis-rq6hf]

@@ByGraceThroughFaith_ I think Royce Graham meant that, just like God humbled Himself and became man on earth, He has humbled Himself and placed Himself "on trial" in order for us all to recognize He is just. Maybe? 🤔

[@shadouge1118]

Anthony Smith what’s your take on why God let Satan live and let him hijack his creation? What was the purpose for that?

[@ByGraceThroughFaith_]

@@KLuis-rq6hf he may have meant that, either way its unbiblical. The God we read about in the bible is the creator and sovereign ruler of the universe. None can thwart His purposes, and He works all things after the counsel of His will. There is no standard outside of His own righteous character by which to judge with, so the notion of created beings judging their creator is blasphemous if you ask me and 100% different than God humblimg himself to become a man.

[@ByGraceThroughFaith_]

@@shadouge1118 my take on that is the same as my take on why God created to begin with, His own self glorification. Romans 9 comes to mind when talking about Gods reasons for allowing evil to happen and continue, "What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- Romans 9:22‭-‬23 ESV. The great controversy is not a biblical concept and would not have been adopted if it wasn't for the teachings of E.G. White. However, as much as I cringe from hearing someone say God is being judged, I am MUCH more concerned with the investigative judgement doctrine.

[@kathleenkeefe8626]

Thank you! I am Catholic and have met some great folks, loving people, that are devout Seventh Adventist. Your video gave me new insights and helped answer some of my questions.

[@4309chris]

so I'm Catholic, but just to humor all the protestant sects, I frequently declare Jesus as my LORD and Savior and accept the gift of his blood - in the Eucharist! The best part is, I actually have Jesus there at my "Sabbath" observance...now if only word could spread... "hey that church has a cool band, and this one a mile down has the best donuts, and that one over there has Jesus Himself, but they have all these rules and this talk about one body but they don't let me make up my own interpretation on salvation...what one is it gonna be?"

[@kathleenkeefe8626]

I think they are doing fine. Good folks who love their families and are fair and kind to others in this world. I dont believe in proselytizing. I believe in respecting others choices and seeing commonality. If they are interested, they.ll ask. .

[@4309chris]

@YAJUN YUAN sure buddy 👍

[@DavidMorris-pq4jq]

I had earlier said there were two topics I thought weren't answered well. This is my post on the second topic. The question was: "Why a prophet?" Especially if all the doctrines can be found, and in fact, are found, in the Bible? The one answer given, was "why not"? So I am going to attempt to answer a bit more. It is a very large topic, which I can't begin to cover here, but for what it's worth...: Start reading her first main book, "Patriarchs and Prophets" It covers the Biblical times from the creation (and before) till about the time of David. What she does, if covers the main stories, almost as an eye witness (through visions given her from the Lord). Not only does she describe things with more detail, she also shows the thoughts and motives of many of the people involved. She gives the story, then expands on it, giving the meaning and lessons we get from it. I guarantee, if you read her books, you will have a better understand of the Bible and what it means, and how to apply it to our own lives, then most trained theologians of today. There is also a really interesting chapter in that book dealing with the rebellion of Satan in Heaven. Very interesting reading! About what Satan was trying to do, how he did it, God's mercy and attempts to win Satan back before he finally totally rebelled and was kicked out of heaven. Really interesting! Her last book "The Great Controversy", gives church history from the destruction of Jerusalem to the very end of time, and the creation of a new heavens and new earth. The Bible is like a map that can get you from California to New York, but the Great Controversy is like the map to help you find the very house you are looking for. The Bible gives the broad picture, but if you read that book, you will understand very well what is going on in the world this very day, and see where it is all leading. I would highly recommend that particular book! And her other books "Prophets and kings", Desire of Ages (Life of Christ), and Acts of the Apostles, are like Bible commentaries, expanding on the stories, giving the meanings and implications. Wonderful books indeed! So much more I wish I could say! She was also given many visions regarding health topics. She spoke (and wrote) against tobacco while the doctors of her day were actually prescribing it for some conditions. She spoke against drinking stimulants (Coffee, most teas), and the danger of meat eating. Through her counsel, the Adventist church has the second largest education and medical work in the world, and missions in almost every country on earth, and the church has many TV stations, youtube channels, Satellite stations. Mrs. White says nothing that can't be found, or derived, from the Bible, but she greatly expands, clarifies, and confirms what is there. I would highly recommend the reading of the books I mentioned, for anybody. You will understand the Bible so much more for having done so.

[@bozenamasliczek2447]

David Morris it seems to me you also are so enamoured by EGW., And the Bible. Is Not Alone good for you. Sad. I know the bible so I didn’t need to know her. I now follow another sabbath keeping church, exactly as SDA, But thank God No EGW. 🤩🙏❤️

[@bozenamasliczek2447]

Lol yes it does. I am making exception for myself. 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️. 🙏❤️

[@jerrygroenewald5812]

Well Brother you put it right, we need you on the show as well. It is a real blessing that the word of Ellen which was taken out in the early days are now been brought to light, emphasizing the last day prophet to bring us back to walking right with Christ. Be Blessed

[@DavidMorris-pq4jq]

@@bozenamasliczek2447 My answer above was in direct answer to one of the questions in the interview. It is too bad you don't read any of her writings. As there was a prophet before the flood (Noah), and a prophet just before the coming of Jesus to this earth (John the Baptist), so I believe there is to be (and is) a prophet to help guide us in these times just before the second coming of the Lord (Mrs. White). Her book Great Controversy was written for just the times we are living in. There was a question "what do Seventh Day Adventists believe". Don't see it here, so will go back and look. Will try to give an answer to that, though it will not be complete, I will try to give the basics. Stand by....

[@DavidMorris-pq4jq]

I see that was just the title of the video. So I won't go into any extended answer, as that question was probably answered well enough in the video. Been a bit since I've seen it now. But in general, Adventists take the Bible as written. Literal, (6 literal days of creation 24 hours each, with God resting on the 7th day, a world wide flood....) except where some parts of the Bible are clearly symbolic (much of Daniel and Revelation), parables (many of Jesus' stories), or allegories (parts of the old testament). Can go into more detail if anyone is interested, but that is enough for now.

[@dimesonhiseyes9134]

Brothers and sisters please take a moment to pray for peace and reconciliation amongst our people today.

[@BecomingAMan]

Of course

[@The_True_]

Every day. Pray for the lost, and unity of the body of Christ.

[@shannonk.6528]

Amen!!!

[@thisiswheezie]

Amen

[@arthurh4484]

Jesus never taught reconciliation. He told everyone to walk away from the false teachings. The devil wants reconciliation and one world church.

[@-on_porpoise-7972]

Good job on asking the right questions. There was a lot going on. It's amazing you can remain calm and not defensive when sitting down with three people instead of one.

[@JustinKhoe]

Matt should definitely get extra credit for this one! What he did is no easy feat!

[@robinrogers8917]

Huh those guys have no clue what true adventism is

[@Karlvetz]

There were lot of things they said that were wrong. They use the same Bible as us, but their beliefs are totally different. I pray that they read from Matthew to Revelation and NOT only Revelation. They are missing out on a lot of things that Christ taught. They also predict His coming and the answer is in the New Testament. No one knows the day and the hour of Christ' coming, not even the angels of heaven. Please read the New Testament from Matt to Revelation.

[@FourKidsNoMoney]

​@Karlvetz dig more into SDA theology and you will find that they are VERY confused on the nature of Jesus, Michael the archangel, etc. Tons of SDA theology is half baked and doesn't have anything behind it

[@VeryTallChristian]

There is a movie called " Tell it to the world" it is really well done and I encourage anyone to watch it to see the Adventist beginnings. I became an Adventist 3 years ago from reading the Bible alone and asking God to guide me to Truth. I had never read the Bible before and finished it is a month and 1/2. I Was a Sunday keeping protestant before I started but never studied on my own. He opened my eyes to many things including the Sabbath and other doctrines that I had never heard. I started to listen to many pastors and denominations, waiting to hear what God had shown me through His Word. Finally I heard a pastor speaking what God had taught me and it was a seventh day adventist. I didn't even know seventh day adventist existed. I heard not one word from Ellen G white before coming to their church and was very stand off about it. Then I decided to read one of her books. DESIRE OF AGES. If you read her writing you will know they point straight to the bible and are inspired. Love you all and can't wait to see you in Heaven!

[@nicetry620]

Ellen G White took the writings of others DENIED doing it and claimed it all came directly from God.. Fundamental belief#18 states that she has PROPHETIC AUTHORITY.. the SDA church holds to the fact that the spirit of prophecy is the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH, and that it was "MANIFESTED" through her writings... THEREFORE.....In simple terms, she's held EQUAL to scripture.

[@rayray4192]

You aren’t a Christian. You watched a demonic cult propaganda film. You are a naive simpleton captured by a heretical demonic cult. The real history of the Adventist demonic cult is disgusting. James and Ellen White were impoverished young people who became wealthy selling books and charts and even dress patterns for what Ellen called the “ Reformed Dress.” A king dress worn over pants. Ellen lied and pontificated God had shown her the dress in vision and it was essential for physical and spiritual health. She actually stole the idea from a local doctor who forced his daughter to wear the costume. Women hated the uncomfortable outfit but the prophet had spoken so they were obligated to wear it. Ellen stopped wearing her own costume and never ever explained why even though she promised an answer. This is just one example of many weird and freakish commands Ellen gave to Adventist demonic cult captives. You are a biblical fool and Bible illiterate. Tads not a Christian.

[@rayray4192]

Here’s a challenge for you Adventist demonic cult member. It’s not a trick. Present a passage of scripture in a real Bible ( not the rag that Jack Blanco wrote entitled the Clear Word Bible. That’s your cult Bible), in which the risen Lord instructs anyone to keep a weekly day set apart. Easy challenge. If sabbath keeping ( you have never kept sabbaton) is a salvational issue then you can quickly and easily present a passage of scripture in which Jesus taught his disciples to honor sabbaton.

[@rayray4192]

Here ya go Judaizer- a biblical scripture that teaches you who the weekly sacred feast day of Shabbath was given to. “ You shall remember you were slaves in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.” - Moses. Deuteronomy 5:15. Where in holy writ is any gentile ever commanded to keep a Hebrew ritual law? Go ahead, give it your best shot heretic.

[@rayray4192]

You are not going to see anyone in heaven. You aren’t saved. You have never been saved. Christians don’t join heretical demonic cults. You have zero spiritual discernment because you aren’t filled with the Holy Spirit. If you had spiritual discernment you wouldn’t be tricked by Adventist demonic cultists.

[@txbiker15]

His observation at the end is spot on, Adventists are divided into a conservative and a contemporary group. While they coexist, they don't really get along. From my experience. But both groups are good decent people.

[@clarkent61]

Good and decent people animated by a corrosive ideology based on a perversion of scripture in support of a premise which has been one lie after the other since the 1800s Good and decent people should condem a woman who claims that other racial minorities are the result of an amalgamation of man and beast😳😳 Is that Good and decent enough for you?

[@SoundingTrumpetMedia]

@@clarkent61 would you like to really know what she said on that subject?

[@FreedomsNurse]

Yup. And there can be even more than 2 divisions, but the major division is the conservative vs. liberal group. I don't fit into either camp so it's difficult to find a church.

[@ragnarok8834]

Can you support your accusations?

[@heressomestuffifound]

@@clarkent61 Yes but you can say that about literally all of Christianity. Read the book Constantine’s Sword if you want a view of how the church has treated Jews since it’s early days.

[@susannarita4259]

I live for this stuff, but wow my mind hasn't been blown to this degree in a while. Thanks again for the amazing work Matt, and good job holding your own with so much going on!

[@carbon273]

Yeah it would be difficult for me to sit through this. Props to him.

[@benbarker8154]

I really thought the amount of humility that was at the table is incredible. Almost every Church I have ever attended or visited swore that they had Jesus' personal cellphone number on speed dial. These guys examined their own understanding against the Bible to determine where they were in error. Great video Matt!

[@mimiwest3256]

Hi Ben. Are you an Adventist?

[@sarracene]

@@mimiwest3256 , what's behind your query?

[@mimiwest3256]

@@sarracene Exactly what I asked...I wanted to know if he is an SDA, or coming from a different perspective.

[@sarracene]

@@mimiwest3256 , in its most basic form, being SDA means to proclaim the soon coming of our Lord & Savior while being peculiar to the world's eyes by emphasizing God's established special day of communion, since the foundation of this world; you'll find an account of the story behind the inspiration for our denominational name on a 3 volume book series titled "testimony jewels", a compilation of the complete 9 volume Testimony to the Church series; we officially took that name in the middle of the US civil war, on 1963.

[@mimiwest3256]

@@sarracene I've read the Testimonies, Spiritual Gifts, and Early Writings.

[@dimesonhiseyes9134]

With these trying and very stressful times, with 2020 being well 2020 and now riots in my home town. It is so uplifting and nourishing to see your videos.

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

Thanks friend. It's been weird of late, but I continue to love making videos like these.

[@johnteds4761]

This video was fantastic, keep doing what you're doing, Matt.

[@badassociation4946]

As someone VERY familiar with the Jehovah's Witnesses (a cult that also came out of the Millerite movement), and their excuses for and denial of their harmful teachings, this interview sends up so many red flags.

[@gre8]

Are they making excuses or are you just refusing to accept some of your preconceived notions were wrong?

[@typical_watcher4599]

@@amazingbibleantiquities7221 Most of Adventist don't even like the Clear Word. There are even a lot of them are die-hard fan of KJV that they cannot even accept NKJV version.

[@valeriegriner5644]

@@amazingbibleantiquities7221 They definitely don't read the same Bible that I read. I happen to prefer the KJV.

[@AllHope23]

@@amazingbibleantiquities7221 'way worse' how? They don't ditch bible versions for their translation... it is meant to be more in line with their beliefs and is invariably distasteful to people who believe otherwise... notwithstanding... many Adventist dont even like (nor know) it.

[@deus_vult8111]

The Clear Word is not comparable to the NWT

[@PaulDavid70]

Matt you missed one important controversial topic, and that is the eschatological Sunday worship = Mark of the beast connection which was put forward by Ellen White

[@Iffmeister]

@12345soccerguy bruh 😂😂😂

[@Iffmeister]

@12345soccerguy all other Christians worship on Sunday because Sunday is the "Lord's Day" and it's the day Jesus rose from the grave.

[@Iffmeister]

@12345soccerguy how could it be Antichrist worship? There's historical evidence that Christians have done this since the early church

[@Jarrodjohn2007]

To be very clear, SDAs do not believe that Sunday will be the mark of the beast until the events in Rev 13 take place and people are forced, under pain of death, to worship in a time, place, and manner that they know to be unscriptural. Ancient Babylon threatened God's people with death if they did not worship contrary to God's revealed will (e.g., bowing to Nebuchadnezzar's golden image, later praying to anyone other than Babylonia king and gods, etc). In the Babylon of Revelation and the Mark of the Beast in Rev 13 it once again will involve false worship contrary to the first four commandments, under pain of death. As of today, SDAs make it clear nobody has the Mark of the Beast described in Rev 13 until the events in Rev 13 take place (e.g., the death decree therein).

[@PaulDavid70]

@@Jarrodjohn2007 They way I learned it, according to Ellen White, in the Eschaton, the pope who is the Antichrist will enforce Sunday worship on all of Christendom. And whoever follows these instructions, which will be all Christians except Adventists, will thereby accept the mark of the beast and be damned. So there will come a time when Sunday worshipers will be damned according to SDA eschatology, no? I cannot accept that, that is pure heresy imo

[@tjpaige3784]

I had never heard of your channel before three or so days ago. I had a very dark time for quite a while. Lost my fiance, drank a ton, condemned everything around...I was raised with a Christian education in middle school, but I saw holes in logic everywhere I looked. So I rejected faith for years. All of a sudden I decided to start reading and praying again. I felt a love I knew was always there, but I forgot about. Explaining in a text doesn't do the justice, obviously...haha, but it was profound. I still don't know where I stand, but these videos do help. Thank you for being moderate on most things and giving a solid look into these ideologies. Keep up your videos man. You do great work

[@marmeemarch7080]

As someone who has had faith struggles of my own many years ago, I love reading comments like this. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

[@ericrumble4452]

Matt, I've really appreciated your thoughtful engagement and exchange of ideas without hostility. I've been around some Adventist circles and I think you did a good job getting at the core of things while giving just enough fair push back on the fringe beliefs. On another note, your daily podcast has been a real blessing, as well. I like your authenticity and down to Earth approach. Thanks. I would love to hear you talk to someone from the Plymouth Brethren camp sometime. Keep it up, brother.

[@rachelleanonymous2740]

Hi Matt, you were right on the money when you said you have the impression there are two types of adventists out there. It is absolutely true! I grew up in one of the very "conservative" - (yes that is the right term by the way, and one they wear as a badge of honor, as in non-conservatives are lesser adventists, and even lesser Christians in some groups) - branches of the church, who wielded Ellen White as the way to Heaven, at the very least on parr with if not completely above the Bible. (Sadly there are still many groups out there like this). Years later, after moving away from that community and finding the picture of God that group taught me completely shattered by the real world and the real Word of God, I am in the processes of trying to sort through my faith, figuring out how much of what I was taught to believe is actually in the Bible and how much is not. Side-note about the investigative judgement - The Pastor didn't really clarify that the idea of the investigative judgement has to be filtered through the mindset of two of the other fundamental beliefs in order to make cohesive sense: The Great Controversy, and The Sanctuary. If you start with the Great Controversy - the big picture of the origins of evil, the war in Heaven he referenced, how the war between good and evil continues on earth today, etc - you have this big mind set of everything in earth's history following a specific timeline of events leading to its ultimate conclusion. Then you zone in on the Sanctuary, and it outlines what those events are, and gives the order and timeline of when - and WHY - they're going to happen. The investigative Judgement is then one of those events in that timeline - one of the last pieces of the puzzle leading up to the completion of earth's History. The pastor touched on these things, but kind of bounced back and fourth around them, rather than starting from the Big Picture > Timeline > Single Event. (Not advocating it being right or being wrong, just clarifying what the pastor was attempting to explain.)

[@dianechapmanbettyboop]

No one believes Ellen White is the way to Heaven, Jesus is who we worship, it is through Jesus that we are saved.

[@Thrivinglife3835]

Diane Chapman Very true. I am SDA as well.. Jesus is the way to heaven and not Ellen. Mrs. White helped know more about God.

[@anothergoldilocks1077]

Rachelle Anonymous As an x-Seventh day Adventist myself I attest you are completely correct in your comments (above noted). I was a 2nd Generation SDA who, in 1984, read a wonderful book 📖 titled, “Christian Be Free” by Samuel Pestes . That book 📖 caused me to have many questions in my mind particularly about Seventh day Sabbath-keeping. I began an intensive, 1-year-long, study of the Holy Scriptures compared to E.G. White’s writings, the SDA doctrines, wherein I clearly noted the error in the SDA doctrines/teachings/beliefs. And, although it was a difficult decision to leave my friends and the denomination I had belonged to for 38 years......I gladly did so for the sake of the Truth & Gospel of Jesus Christ. I’m 72 now, and was baptized last Sunday, at the Baptist church I now attend. What a joy it was/is to make that public demonstration of being buried with Jesus in a watery grave and come up from the water, a new creature, to walk in newness of life. I read your post with great 👍 interest and respect. May The Holy Spirit descend upon you greatly as you search for the truest truth as found only in the Holy Bible. The Scripture, “You will look for me and find me when you have searched for me with all your heart” comes to mind. May you hide this in your heart as you find your way out of confusion and into the marvelous light and truth of our Sovereign God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.....is my steadfast hope for you, Rachelle ♥️

[@BlooGhost]

@@anothergoldilocks1077 Hi there! I am asking out of curiosity, but what was the error you discovered with the Adventist doctrines/teachings/beliefs? I am just curious! Thank you for your time!

[@loonshkij]

Fascinating stuff. Please keep bringing us these videos! You're not afraid to respectfully ask the hard questions and then to listen and to try to understand.

[@em1694_]

I’m Catholic and loving these videos. Thank you for going on this journey and sharing it with us!

[@marshallcampbell125]

Read the Catechism and find your answer

[@xxFairestxx]

@@LuisPerez-fy6up read the catechism and get your answer.

[@mr.meeseeks6549]

@@LuisPerez-fy6up welp then don't ask 🤯

[@carlaromero3402]

@@LuisPerez-fy6up then you shouldn't read your Bible, makes no sense trusting a book written by men inspired by God. If you also read your Bible, there is a verse that talks about not sharing false beliefs against others, and by saying these things (that we have stated we don't do), you are doing that. I'll keep you in my prayers, may God allow you to see the beauty of others different than you!

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@marshallcampbell125 quote---Read the Catechism and find your answer.--unquote I did and it either mis-quoted scripture or downright lied

[@jlbeeen]

I was at an Adventist school (I went to one, and then a group of us gathered together to make music and learn for a weekend) that had a guest speaker in. He explained the judgement concept really well. The talk is called The Loveseat of Heaven by Cliff Gleason and it's available on KZbin. I've also met Dan in person, and he's so good to talk to! I peronally question some of the details of the beliefs, but I like my small country SDA church family, and we hold meetings at a church level to make sure that things are going okay, and propose changes. Of course I have been to some churches, and seen people within the SDA faith that have some really weird ideas (like a few flat-earthers I met...) but the focus on comparing things against the Bible to see if they're right is something that I believe is important.

[@jlbeeen]

Now that I've watched more, yes, there are different groups. I worked at an Adventist camp, and some (usually older) people would insist that skirts must be a certain length, food had to be prepared a certain way, you couldn't go in the ocean on Sabbath... And all kinds of weird things. Honestly, it depends on the area you are in, and the cultural background of the members. It's a really odd position, but we were told to "not be stumbling blocks" to the conservative ones and try and be more in the middle in terms of behaviour and appearance. It's important to mention that yes, there is a lot of variation, and outside the 28 beliefs, there are a ton of other beliefs that individuals may have. It's hard to generalize things, and I like how this tackled that.

[@donniewayne6931]

I'm a independent, after repenting of serious sins I asked for wisdom and I was given flapt Earth, sda ect. I've had the spirit of prophecy it's in the form of what is truth and not and now I can say this matrix confirms your position in it three times or you could say the holy Spirit confirmed it to you. Fe removes some of the sin of idolatry which a normal person would not consider. There are 75 verses that definitely confirm the Fe but I could show you many more. I have strived for the last 5 years to keep the Sabbath and I'm not a SDA member. A brief warning even atheist can be converted to believers in a creator so if you don't want your eyes open don't look into it. A mechanical sense, nothing on this Earth works on a globe unless specifically designed to ie a certain space pen certain race cars that can run upside down and certain airplanes.

[@mburrito57939]

Matt, I LOVED that you asked deeper questions! I know it's a year later but here's my view: I grew up SDA, with a minister for a father & I only heard about the investigative judgement when I was in a missionary group in my year after high school. Let that sink in for a minute. I think that so many SDA's have an incomplete perception - and leave - because they simply just don't know what and why we believe what we do & thus it becomes a thing to do to be 'good' rather than knowing the reason behind it. That is a blight on our recent history - I cannot be the only one. I always thought that the biggest difference was Saturday and not eating bacon haha. I can tell you this though: I was pretty agnostic about my faith until I had the investigative judgement & the millennium explained to me. I felt this strange warmth in my chest that I had never, ever felt before -- & I never knew that it was a doctrine unique to adventism. My heart and head just went, "yes, this makes sense. It's symmetry and beauty and this is the God I'd like to know". I now understand that it was the Holy Spirit drawing me in, and I'm so grateful. Thank you for asking the good questions, for digging further. I appreciate your probing, genuinely sincere questions. We can all learn a lot from your treatment of fellow believers. Subscribed :)

[@glitterzandstarz]

This video was quite interesting as someone born, bred and steeped in Adventist culture. One interesting note is that "Adventist culture" is quite strong and pervasive and encompasses many things not included in official church statements. I think this explains some of the apprehension and vagueness in how the questions were answered: do I answer from an official standpoint or a practical one? Overall they spoke on official church stances and left out the practice. It's something I myself have faced and witnessed others struggle with as well. I have MANY thoughts on this video and thank the presenter for having this conversation.

[@bozenamasliczek2447]

ACROSS lol ..well said. 🤣🙏❤️🙋🏼‍♀️

[@GrandpaParrotNHB]

I’ve been getting into your channel recently, Matt, and I have nothing to say but kudos for your humble, respectful approach to religious debates/conversations. I wish you’re able to come back in touch with seventh-day adventism soon, having the time to process this truckload of introductory info. I think you’d find very interesting, poignant things reviewing the unique aspects of SDA that-naturally-are just scratched-on upon first contact.

[@ChipAltmanxD]

I made a friend yesterday who's an SDA. Thanks for doing this guys!

[@PaulDavid70]

20:45 "the writings of Ellen White are not canonical" The SDA church does like to quote from Ellen White during their sermons however.

[@Bunfire123]

Just like how other churches will quote church fathers...theologians. In the NT Paul even quoted Greek philosophers of his day.

[@PaulDavid70]

@@Bunfire123 So you are putting Ellen white on the same level as the church fathers. I don't see how that can be justified

[@PaulDavid70]

@@Bunfire123 The distinction however is that no other church likes to quote from one specific person as much as the SDA church quotes from its founder, expect of course the Cults, like the JWs and the Mormons.

[@marcbrianvil]

Yep and the level of dishonesty in this video is amazing!

[@melanierusso7712]

@@marcbrianvil please expand on this comment.

[@mrnoedahl]

Matthew 24:36-42 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. “Therefore keep watch, because YOU DO NOT KNOW on what day your Lord will come. Setting dates is WRONG.🤔

[@arthurh4484]

Know one knows "the day and hour", but we might know the season.

[@mrnoedahl]

@Nathan Desta that's good to know. We all can learn from our mistakes.

[@mrnoedahl]

@Nathan Desta correct. We see the day approaching, but that is all we know. It's getting closer.

[@arthurh4484]

@Nathan Desta And the Millerites are no more.

[@FuzTheCat]

Just some questions: Did the disciples get everything right? Or did they experience a great disappointment? Seems like the founders of the SDA church could be in good company?

[@GPlewright]

The founding moment of Christianity, the cross itself, was a prediction that the believers almost universally ‘got wrong’ as you put it. The disciples didn’t understand that Jesus would die to save the world, hence the conversation on the road to Emmaus, (Luke 24:25-26).

[@marymccann6110]

I am so excited to watch this because I know almost nothing about SDA. And Matt, I love how you do your interviews. The amount of graciousness and class is so beautiful! You ask great questions, but the kinds of questions that don't come with built in assumptions. Thank you for your ministry Matt!

[@Learningthetruth7]

Seventh-Day adventism reminds me of all the other 1800's prophets that popped up including Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, Charles Taze Russell and the list goes on.

[@tr1084]

My experience of Adventists was a family owned coffee shop I frequented as a teen. They were the only good place to hang out on Sunday.

[@JustFollowJesus]

Adventist coffee shop = oxymoron

[@TheAusJT]

@@JustFollowJesus I was thinking the exact same thing, in view of Ellen White's strong views against drinking coffee.

[@calansmith655]

Bible Studies and Devotions and TheA That is interesting, but that doesn’t mean every adventist or even the majority think that coffee is bad. It doesn’t have to be an oxymoron, it’s just a tad ironic. It is perfectly valid though.

[@manasavuibaubatiwale3593]

@@JustFollowJesus true - she wrote against the use of stimulants like coffee, tobacco and other items that were once considered medicinal and now proven to be unhealthy 😂😂😂

[@FreedomsNurse]

@@calansmith655 The official teaching of Ellen White is that coffee is a sin just like liquor.

[@alistermstar312]

This is the best way of having meaningful conversations

[@theplowman_11]

I live that time thing you brought up. I thought that part was an amazing dialogue between you two. You brought more answers to me haha. You're the man Matt. From New Zealand.

[@scribe53]

Excellent interview and what a pleasant group of believers. My experience with Seventh Day Adventists (as a conservative Presbyterian) left me with the same conclusion; there seems to be two branches under the one title. One side of SDA would clearly qualify as orthodox (agrees with the basics of the Christian faith), but the other side talked like/walked like a cult. I’ve had a few SDA friends ask me what one must do to be saved? (Obviously involved in a congregation of excessive legalism/salvation by works.). I would guess, if that divide grows, that there might be a split someday.

[@healthybalance5748]

Completely agree with you.

[@LuciusClevelandensis]

I really love what you do in these videos. I am a RC, and I appreciate the way you covered my own denomination. I see the same even-handedness in all your dialogues. You are one of the good guys. God bless you and keep it up.

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

Thanks for saying that Lance!

[@johnhale383]

I was about to say the same thing that Lance said. Thanks, Matt for treating everyone fairly.

[@patquint3291]

The Catholic Church is not a denomination. There is only one truth. There is only one Church.

[@robertopacheco2997]

@@patquint3291 I'm not Catholic but you're right that the Catholic Church in fact affirms it's the only true Body/Bride of Christ, so I don't know why Lance and John would claim otherwise. False ecumenism isn't charitable; it's not just either.

[@augustineonuigbo9360]

U are the master , u are the soul of Christianity, so don't stoop low with these stuffs .

[@cooperchoo9898]

If you want to know what Adventist really believe then watch the Former Adventist Fellowship. It's not that I had a bad experience with Adventism (you can have that with any Church). I never thought I could measure up and was confused about how Jesus fitted into the picture. Praise God that He loved me anyway and saved me by His blood and grace. Never heard the Gospel from my Adventist family. Only when I read the Gospel for myself did I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. It's about a personal relationship with God ( He will put you on the right path) not having to follow a set of rules and doctrine.

[@JustFollowJesus]

Guy: asks what Sabbath observance looks like. These Adventists: well it’s personal, it’s opinion... Bible: 4th commandment?

[@mynameismanic]

Fella he means what it means to keep the sabbath holy means different things to different people. There isn’t one way because God didn’t demand a certain thing except to keep it holy meaning set aside for him.

[@joecastillo8798]

The name "sabath" means day of rest. The Apostles changed the day of rest and worship to Sunday. Changing it back to conform to premessianic mode, on Saturday, is not God's will, it's 19th century one man will. Making a religion out of a day of rest is an illusion.

[@JustFollowJesus]

Joe Castillo Roman Catholic Church is Antichrist.

[@mynameismanic]

Joe Castillo sabbath was kept by the apostles and the apostles wouldn’t be able to change Gods law as it was. They always kept sabbath. See acts

[@joecastillo8798]

@@mynameismanic Jesus is God. His death and resurrection brought a new beginning. We no longer are subjected to "the Law". As I quoted: Colossians 2:13-17 13 And when you were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive together with him, when he forgave us all our trespasses, 14 erasing the record that stood against us with its legal demands. He set this aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and made a public example of them, triumphing over them in it. 16 Therefore do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or SABBATHS. 17 These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. Rather than fulfilling the Law of Moses, Paul points us toward fulfilling the Law of Christ: “To those outside the [Mosaic] law I became as one outside the [Mosaic] law, not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ, that I might win those outside the Mosaic law” (1 Cor. 9:21). He wrote also, “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ” (Gal. 6:2). The Law of Christ, or the New Law, is the second major revelation of positive divine law. It contains the laws set forth by Christ and the apostles in the deposit of faith. Some of these are moral (prohibitions on murder, adultery, and polygamy), some ceremonial (baptism, the Eucharist, Sunday worship), and some are civil or judicial (e.g., “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities” Rom. 13:1 and the Church’s social teaching, as grounded in the deposit of faith). The New Law also provides something that the Old Law did not: the grace of the Holy Spirit, who empowers individuals to keep the New Law in a way that those under the Law of Moses were not able to keep it. This internalization of the New Law was prophesied by Jeremiah: “this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people” (Jer. 31:33). Finally, I should mention two other manifestations of divine law-civil law (international, national, state, and local laws) and ecclesiastical law (e.g., canon law and liturgical law). As laws, they participate in the eternal law and we are bound by God’s authority to obey them. Thus immediately after telling his readers “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities,” Paul explains this by saying “For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment” (Rom. 13:1-2). That's the advice Luther did not heed. God bless.

[@republiccooper]

1844 and "investigative judgement"? What a unique and unusual belief! Fringe Christianity is so fascinating.

[@mmtoss6530]

That is one of the reasons I went from SDA to Reformed Baptist.

[@republiccooper]

@@mmtoss6530 It sounds like a false doctrine to me. I can't be part of a religion like that. October 22, 1844? It was simply the Millerites saving face. A religion that covers its own doctrinal error isn't one I can follow. Religion should expose the flaws of man to show the grace of God.

[@EndTimesHarvest]

Perhaps the thing I like most about the Seventh-Day Adventists is that they are very heavy into actually studying the Bible itself and interpreting it, especially in regards to prophecy. They are actually searching for answers in the Bible and trying to solve its mysteries. Very few denominations show the same devotion.

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

They study The Bible through the eyes of Ellen G White and her Great Controversy. Without those, there is no SDA Church.

[@brassmonkey84]

This is true. What I like is it's just an objective view and exposure to churches which we might never step in but have been told certain things. I am especially appreciative with your talk with the roman catholic church. It helps me with my own protestant-catholic relations.

[@animationfan957]

But it’s not objective. Had it really been objective he would have asked more critical questions and questioned their answers. Instead he apologizes for asking so many questions and accept their answers without any further comments.

[@joaoatienza2815]

Of the videos in this series, this one is by far my favorite. The depth of the discussion and processing at the end of it is exactly what I signed up for.

[@martinkent333]

Bullshit? Yummy!

[@darklard]

I think a lot of Christians would also pick up on and be shocked by the annihilationist view.

[@boneguardsteel994]

Reformers believed in the annihilation. William Tyndale, the Bible translator!

[@zy8753]

Than how will the world that He created be reformed back to its original state without the wicked? There are people out there that truly turn away from God to idolize themselves and would rather be fed the lies and illusions society has deemed acceptable. Why would those Christians be worried or shocked by God’s justifying, deserving wrath if they have Christ and see him as Lord? Fire cleanses, as annihilating it sounds, and leaves room for newness and purity. What God is and will always be, and intended and still wants us to be as well. To me, it seems just seeing how the present and future will go for people who don’t want to be saved but be led by Satan or willingly blind to the truth

[@josephbrandenburg4373]

@@zy8753 What are you even trying to say? I can't tell if your commenting in favor of annihilation or not.

[@zerksepraga]

If evil is not annihilated, then God cannot solve the problem of sin, and there is no solution to the problem of evil. Sin remains and sinners will still curse God while in torments, and God will not get anything from such sinners. Or perhaps he is more sadistic than Satan.

[@lisettechablal8966]

Even in His final act of destroying sin, God is still merciful. He created us in His image with His character imprinted on our hearts. Sin marred His character in us. It is so destructive that murder was committed as early as the 1st generation family. God didn't immediately destroy Adam and Eve when they first sinned bcuz it would have given Satan's accusation credence (Obedience is impossible, God is tyrannical). Instead, He has given us all time to see the true character of Satan and of sin and to choose whom we believe. He's even told us the final outcome and given us a guide to achieve salvation. He says by Grace through Faith. So where do works come in? Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments. In Ecclesiastes 12:13,14 Solomon also said ... Fear God and keep His commandments for this is the whole duty of man. This is the way to having Christ's image restored in us. Verse 14 says God shall bring every work into judgment... So we are saved by grace, but judged by our works. So our works are evidence of the choice we've made. God has said that sin will never rise up again after it has been destroyed and the earth made new. It is not in His character to force His way upon us. Therefore instead of taking sinners to Heaven to endure His presence and forcing them to live outside of their characters He destroys them in mercy. It will grieve Him bcuz He loves us all, but He respects our freewill whilst honoring the promise to eliminate sin.

[@TheDaddyNanny]

Matt: "Why God need a investigative judgment?"... not sure if they made it clear, but a investigation or as you had said need that buffering is not for His all knowing mind, but for those that are not all knowing, us, the angels and other worlds... that God is just and good and patience and love and all the above, as the devil trying to mislead others on God's true character of love and just... God is also showing us that the devil's true character is selfish and unjust

[@Jarrodjohn2007]

Same reason God allowed Abraham to bargain with Him over Sodom and Gomorrah. In fact its the same reason for every Covenant Lawsuit throughout the Old Testament, i.e., God chooses to vindicate His character and His judgments to all the world.

[@andiroo42]

Yes! It has often been mischaracterized as God scrutinizing our every move so he can find an excuse not to save us, but in reality it’s about seeing who has actually accepted Christ. If you’ve accepted Christ and are growing in Him there are no negative affects. The negative is for those who say they are Christians but act otherwise, hypocrites or essentially what all the sayings and parables of Christ warn against.

[@jonasaras]

"The Lord knows (present tense) those who are his" 2 Timothy 2:19 "There is therefore NOW no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" Romans 8:1. "Anyone who believes in Him is not condemned, but everyone who does not believe is already condemned" John 3:18. The "investigative judgment" was over before it ever began. CASE CLOSED.

[@stevesamson3940]

That's what I got from it too. The investigative part is for our benefit, not God's.

[@andiroo42]

Jonas Aras I liked this reply. As an SDA, I agree. There is no condemnation. I see the IJ not as something that examines whether the blood of Christ can save, that is a done deal, but the IJs purpose is to see who’s claim to being “in Christ” is genuine. Personal sins have already been dealt with. The IJs purpose is to see who is under the banner of Christ. God does this so that at a later time He can show us all how he examined every life and can answer accurately why someone didn’t make it to heaven even though they claimed to be a Christian. Anyone who gains eternal life will do so because of Christ’s sacrifice. Only those who’s lives are examined and shown to display the fruits of the Spirit through the power of Christ will escape judgement.

[@r.mageddon3385]

Your method of reasonable and thoughtful exploration and processing of information is a model of excellence. It's much appreciated. Even more so in the devided climate of the day. Great video. Can't wait to see what else you've produced.

[@lecretiawilliams5972]

Hiya Matt, I'm in seminary training to be a Unitarian Universalist minister, and Ive enjoyed learning about other expressions of Christianity on your channel! Its a changing and interesting time in our faith, and I think it would make a lovely hour of theology talk

[@mexicanatta]

I’m a young adult Adventist and I recognize that it takes an objective outsiders investigation into a faith to really teach me, an Adventist, all the nuances of my own faith and put them up to the light and compare them with the faith of others. Thanks so much for doing this video

[@rickhuntling7338]

@mexicanatta My discoveries prove 1844 is nothing more than a great disappointment. SDA need 457 bc for the decree in Dan. 9:26 starting point for 2300 days to be in 1844. The year was 454 bc not 457 bc for supernatural reasons only YHWH could perform to the day and hour. 1. The decree was identified by the streets and walls being repaired in Dan. 9:26. SDA say it is the Ezra decree but the truth is Nehemiah recieved the decree in 454 bc Nisan 14th at the 9th hour. Neh. 2:5. 2. YHWH also caused a blood moon Tetrad to be a sign in the heavens Nisan 14th 454 bc; see NASA 5 millennium Lunar Eclipses 453 bc. 3. YHWH also had Ezek. 4:1-5 to begin it's 390 year countdown in 454 bc ending in an "iron pan" siege in 63 bc led by Pompey. Iron being symbolic for Roman the pan symbolic for Roman shields round about Jerusalem. 4. 454 bc + 69 weeks = 31 ad to Messiah cut off from the living not "baptized" as the SDA discern in error; Dan. 9:26, Isa. 53:8. 5. Ezek. 4:6,7 is from the 31 ad ✝️to the iron pan siege in 70 ad led by Titus. 6. Dan. 9:27 week is Passion week not the 70th week. In the midst of Passion week being a Wednesday\Thursday Passover Messiah was crucified causing the sacrifices to cease "IT IS FINISHED". The Thursday ✝not EGW's and the RCC good Friday ✝️allows JESUS to preach the Gospel to the fully conscious OT saints in the heart of the earth aka "Abraham's bossom" for 3 days and nights; 1st Pet. 3:18,19. JESUS didn't lie to the thief on the cross like EGW preaches because "TODAY" he was with JESUS in Abraham's paridise. Who do you believe Ellen's soul sleep or the preachings of JESUS? 7. Dan. 9:27 has the sacrifices ceased then Isa. 55:1-7 confirmed by the Resurrection aka "sure mercies of David at the end of Passion week; Isa. 55:3, Acts 13:34, Ps. 16:10. SDA teach Steven's death ended the 70th week in 34 ad for which is not biblical having not one date computation recorded in the bible nor historical proof. Grammatically the "consumation" is the 70th week first subject in Dan. 9:24. It states Jerusalem would remain trodden under Gentile ownership until the 70th week; Lk. 21:24 time of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 8. SDA change times from in Genesis evening and mornings being 24 hours by doing an antichrist change to mean a year; Dan. 7:25, 8:26. 9. The day of Atonment was on Sept. 23, 1844 not Oct. 22, 1844. In fact it is impossible for the Day of Atonment to be after Oct 14th on any given year. It is blasphemous for Ellen White to perpetuate the satanic lie that the Atonment was not made Resurrection Sunday but put off till 1844. Furthermore only an idiot or a satanic seed would believe such an antichrist lie.

[@orangemanbad]

That’s awesome! Keep studying. Keep learning. And pray everyday that the Lord reveal himself to you and you’ll be led into all truth!

[@ranchbarbie5915]

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108: But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify. The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50: Q. Which is the Sabbath day? A. Saturday is the Sabbath day. Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920: If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church.

[@s-t-f]

Thank you! I am an Adventist from Austria. And this was a blessing to me!

[@kakelso]

Great conversation, as always! I love these videos. I've been trying to take the idea of Sabbath more seriously in my own life, because I do think it's a commandment of God for a reason, and one that Jesus taught and respected (although he was clearly against a legalistic interpretation of Sabbath). A day of rest is essential. My Sabbath basically looks like this: church in the morning, restful time with family for the rest of the day. A few things need to be done (making meals, but they're almost always simpler than other meals; doing dishes, but we mostly use paper plates and bowls to cut down) but what can be done ahead of time or can wait until the next day isn't done that day. Pretty simple. Sometimes things come up, and sometimes I say no to things because I think it would interfere with Sabbath. But it's always about freedom to rest, rather than slavery to a law.

[@PhilGeissler]

One thing I agree with the SDA that I did not believe growing up, but have since changed my mind on is Annihilationism. I now believe that the unsaved will not suffer for eternity but will be "burned up" and cease to exist.

[@ruthcurcuru4972]

Matt something I'd like to see is either a real or virtual round table of you and your friends from other churches where a question is presented and everyone chimes in.

[@martinkent333]

A round table of religious dung. SMORGASBORD!!!!!

[@Keonny77]

I LOVE the way he explained the Sabbath. It's very genuine and honest... The way the Sabbath is kept is different with different families. I went to a church that wouldn't even let you copy things on the Sabbath because they considered it work. That was that church's policy. You couldn't print out a program or nothing...but other churches I've gone to did not see that as an issue...

[@EndTimesHarvest]

To be perfectly fair, many Jewish people living today are also just as ridiculously strict in keeping the Sabbath, to the point where turning on a light switch or pressing a button is considered work.

[@Keonny77]

@@EndTimesHarvest that's true. But they feel they are being obedient. They are taking the command to its extreme end. When I asked. I was told.. they aren't supposed to make a fire on the Sabbath...so..turning on a light or turning on a car ignition is is technically creating a fire. On my fridgerator... there is actually a SABBATH FUNCTION! So they are serious about it to the point that manufacturers are altering their products to capture that market.

[@Keonny77]

@@EndTimesHarvest Sabbath Mode allows you to open and close the refrigerator or freezer doors without activating interior lights, sounds or other controls. While your fridge is in Sabbath Mode, water filter status lights are disabled and temperatures cannot be adjusted.  Whirlpool › blog › kitchen › what-i... What is Sabbath Mode? | Whirlpool

[@jontymellmann9233]

“Does the Law allow a person to heal on the Sabbath?” 11 Jesus replied, “Who among you has a sheep that falls into a pit on the Sabbath and will not take hold of it and pull it out? 12 How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! So the Law allows a person to do what is good on the Sabbath.” Matthew 12, Common English Bible. I personally see this as a fair justification for doing positive deeds on the Sabbath, especially when one might find you have no other time for such things provided such things are good. E.g. gardening, cooking for yourself and others, helping a person in need, etc.

[@Keonny77]

@@jontymellmann9233 Jesus said yes. The Pharisees said no. I saw a video where a Sunday keeper claimed Jesus broke the Sabbath because of the claim given by the Pharisees... but that's painting yourself into a corner. Breaking the Sabbath who make him a law breaker and unfit for a sacrificial attonement ..

[@sdastoryteller3381]

Love the video, as an Adventist, I appreciate you pushing on a lot of topics people don't know about our church. My heart does break for the people who've had bad experiences with the church, hope this video helps.

[@animationfan957]

Only an SDA would agree with this video. But lets hear what former Adventists have to say.

[@sdastoryteller3381]

@@animationfan957 I mean that's the case for any group. Former Atheist say that about where they came from, former Christians will say that about Christianity as a whole. As we grow and come to new understandings we'll always look back at thing we grew away from as wrong. In no way would I say the church is perfect but I suppose that's the case with any church.

[@dohnlabalaba9470]

I am an SDA in the Fiji Islands and I enjoy your way of conversation with our church. I left Roman Catholicism because I wanted to keep Jesus' Saturday Sabbath. The Sabbath rest in Hebrew 4 is our rest in Christ, in His day and in His Place of rest the new Jerusalem.

[@neilrowe119]

As an adventist I find it hard to talk about the importance of obeying God to anyone other than Adventists because it seems that Im then beanded as "works based". But at the same time I believe that salvation IS by grace alone. A free gift of Jesus blood atooning for my sin. The obedience part is what that grace by the power of the Holy Spirit produces in me as i abide in Jesus and His word. I think most Christians could agree that both of those aspects are focussed on and Scriptural in the New Testament. Paul in Rom talks about both as important. James s certainly talks about "works" relationship to the free gift of grace. ..

[@republiccooper]

Don't Adventists believe that Jesus and the archangel Michael are one and the same?

[@neilrowe119]

@@republiccooper yes. I do anyway.

[@brassmonkey84]

I like that health is a point of emphasis simply because we are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately my experience with 1 Adventist was more legalistic and militant about it.

[@mynameismanic]

There is a steam if Adventist that are legalistic even Baptist or Catholics have these people in their groups. It’s ok Jews even had the Pharisees

[@Thrivinglife3835]

Sorry for your experience. Mine was beautiful and healthy... I thank God for it.

[@Cataphract3]

As someone who grew up in a conservative Seventh Day Adventist church, I was a bit frustrated with how these Adventists handled your questions. They seemed extremely slippery, not giving straight answers when you asked them questions surrounding practices. Part of that may be that they are more progressive than standard Adventists, but they still have to give "officialish" church answers. I can say for certain however that many of the things they describe as practices function more as standards in your average conservative Adventist church. For example, if you choose to eat pork or you get caught doing a certain activity on the Sabbath, you can expect disciplinary actions coming down on you. I do appreciate how diplomatic you were throughout the whole interview and afterwards when you were discussing the Investigative Judgement. You're certainly more charitable than I would have been.

[@smks8er]

Are you no longer a part of the church?

[@3angels.Rev.14]

Yes, very slippery bro/sis.

[@monicatschickardt1105]

Definitely progressive in some aspects. Minute 25 regarding “keeping the Sabbath won’t save you “ made me cringe. Those of us who read the Great Controversy with Daniel and Revelation know this is not true for God’s end time people

[@monicatschickardt1105]

Method12321 of course it’s only Jesus who saves. You misunderstood my point. The Sabbath will be kept by God’s end time people. If they don’t keep the commandments of God and don’t have the testimony of Jesus, they will not be saved. We are saying the same thing , but it seems to me that you want an argument . You won’t get one from me. This conversation stops here for me.

[@niniram3748]

@@monicatschickardt1105 ... You are confusing two things...which are= A) -The keeping of the 7th day Sabbath does not saves... B) -the not keeping of the 7th day Sabbath(sinning, breaking the law) will lead to your perdition. The both are true...yet they are not the same!!! .

[@ro.5334]

To have a clear and precise understanding of the topics covered in this interview, I recommend reading The Bible and compare with The Great Controversy. God Bless you.

[@DavidMorris-pq4jq]

Totally agree! The Great Controversy answers many of the questions raised in the interview. I felt the Adventist speakers weren't as clear as they could have been on a couple of different topics, but it was a good interview, which I enjoyed listening to.

[@robinrogers8917]

Ya they did not do so well eeeek

[@hardwiredforsuccesreviews1619]

The Great controversy is written by a plagerist with no real knowledge of the Bible and consists with contradiction and underlying satanic nonsense thats made to read biblical I have read it and found no real reason why a right thinking Christian or Christians that says they have the holy spirit can't even dicern the book is not from God a just plain utter blasphemy

[@DavidMorris-pq4jq]

Interesting comment! You probably ought to look up the biblical definition of blasphemy. This book also supports the 7th day Sabbath. Do you reject that doctrine? What about the second coming? Her description of Heaven and eternity? So sorry about your bitterness.....

[@hardwiredforsuccesreviews1619]

@@DavidMorris-pq4jq Hi David I believe only in what the Bible says and not of what a heretic writes so saying that what I am talking about is not bitterness it's just facts about SDA you have a false religion your theology does not make sense and it's not biblical to me it's garbage misleading millions of people, you speak about the ten commandments which the SDA don't even keep being part of abortion and please say you don't we protested against your SDA hospital who performed abortions for years so what happened to thou salt not kill

[@Dah_J]

I think what’s so peculiar about Adventist is that the “peculiar” things they believe are possible, but are not clear on whether they’re true or not. And if God wants us to know something, there is no ambiguity in the message. Although what they explained is very possible, it is unclear and creates confusion.

[@kgsfitness7806]

Hello my new brother in Christ....full disclosure; i have been an SDA for 25 years now...20-45....and so i am grateful for the considerate manner in which you interacted with the three men in the interview. You were so courteous and kind. With that said, I would simply say to you and anyone who watched this video, which clearly were many, that as kind-hearted and well-intentioned as the people you interviewed were, please understand that one i believe was an administrator, one a pastor, and one a member. Administrators crunch numbers lol...Pastors often spend more time...well...pastoring other Adventists...so a lot of time preaching to the choir lol...and not so much evangelizing...which forces them to spend a lot of time explaining our doctrines to non-Adventists, and members often have little experience crunching numbers or teaching our doctrines to non-Adventists lol. None of these seemed comfortable really explaining well the basic ideas that drive some of our doctrines. I am a firm believer that every one of our 28 doctrines can be explained in 2 minutes or less. If you left that interview still not certain about why we believe the things we believe, please let some gifted Adventist evangelists and theologians take a shot at explaining. if you are interested in where to get better explanations of our doctrines, please reply and I will be more than happy to refer you in private to some of the most widely-respected Adventist evangelists and scholars. Thank you brother and be well :)

[@janetdavidson8798]

SDA is a cult . They pervert the scriptures to make it fit in with your silly prophet EGW . Most of her teachings contradict the Bible .

[@laurengarcia1023]

I appreciated your conversation so much! It made a whole lifetime of religious controversy in my own family make a lot more sense. I have never been SDA, but my parents actually met at a SDA church but left when I was a baby. And I have very close family members who were deeply hurt by this church and soured them against Christianity in general because of the legalism and the spirit it was presented in. I remember my grandma hiding coffee because a church member was coming over, and she didn't want her telling the pastor and getting her in trouble, but when she moved to another city, the congregation there was much more open and loving and not nearly as legalistic. Your take I think helped me a lot to parse out the doctrine from practice and the different strands, if you will, of a group that most Christians don't engage with because I think they are not exactly sure where to put them. I appreciate your honesty and excellent questions that are probing but never hostile. It helps all of us to understand a lot better.

[@BensonPrince]

That is great. I don't know how old you are. I'm only 28 myself but what I've learned in my walk with Christ is, it's all about Christ. Christ is our example and He is the only thing we should look up to. Not the church or pastor. The church is made up of fallen people who need Christ as much as you and I. Thus sayeth the Word should always be on our lips and mind.

[@laurengarcia1023]

@@BensonPrince Thanks so much! I have been trying to dive into the Bible and focus on Christ through the sinfulness of people and the things they have done in his name. It can be difficult, but I have been trying to understand as much as I can in my limited capacity as a human in this confusing world.

[@Jarrodjohn2007]

If you read any of the New Testament from Acts on, you'll see that the Church was always dealing with controversy and trouble makers. If that was true when the Apostles were around, its no surprise its true now. The SDA church is most definitely a hospital for sinners, not a rest home for saints.

[@rodneyplewright7685]

True, at times many SDAs have missed the whole point of who Jesus is and how we can receive salvation (and got judgmental about trivia such as coffee drinking), but God didn't abandon us to such lostness. He has graciously prevailed to bring us the light of the Gospel. However, you can also find such unChristlike attitudes in many other denominations. The SDA doctrines and interpretations of prophecy are definitely worth researching. An SDA Bible teacher will encourage you to also study with Bible teachers of other denominations and make comparisons, going between teachers with questions and seeking explanations. But it's important that we really want to know Bible truths, as well as the TRUTH (Jesus Himself).

[@erich7h]

I have a high school friend who is an Adventist, his view of the sabbath is more stringent than these 3 men. He was adamant that me going to church on Sunday was wrong. I’m not sure they are being totally transparent.

[@ZionKid95]

I've been to church meetings on many different days of the week, but only one day is sanctified by God. And only this day I abstain from any unnecessary work. But back in Highschool, I was more like your old class mate

[@mynameismanic]

Sure going to church on Sunday is wrong if you don’t keep sabbath but keeping sabbath includes gathering together Leviticus 23:3. Keeping Sunday in place of sabbath when forced by law is will become the mark of the beast. That is the day satan chooses The gentleman are saying the way in which you keep sabbath is personal meaning some may mow their lawns because it is relaxing others may shop but some may sleep other will not sleep. it’s what the spirit leads you to. It’s between you and God the point is to observe sabbath and keep it holy. Set aside.

[@tonymuse]

It is my experience that younger SDA's aren't quite as dogmatic as previous generations.

[@tonymuse]

@@mynameismanic For those of us who esteem all days alike, the whole Sabbath/Sunday debate is a moot point.

[@mynameismanic]

Tony M I posted a link to a theological explanation if the passage you referred to. If it’s not there as is often the case in comment sections. Search for “Adventist research center one day above another.” In. Google you should find this article at Adventist biblical research dot org

[@javierluyanda8283]

So far on these type of videos This is the denomination in my opinion that goes most off the rails of orthodox Christian faith , They struggle to explain the changes their organization has gone through and even looked fearful of answering and explaining their doctrine of investigative judgment

[@earlem9771]

It’s not their doctrine. The investigative judgment is biblical and it follows basic judicial protocol used in court today.

[@getintheark5112]

I don’t think they are well versed on the topic honestly.....I’m apart of the SDA movement and majority don’t understand these truths as they should smh. I’m disappointed.

[@paulwhite8024]

Mark wilson Don’t be disappointed, be challenged! If you understand these things well, then be a teacher and help others understand.

[@alicialevi2376]

Really? It shows the lens through which you are viewing! I didn't see anything that shows them being uncomfortable in answering any question. I can take issue with the long-windedness of one of the speakers, but try explaining any doctrine to people who does not know and within a short time frame.

[@xandro2445]

@@alicialevi2376 because you're an Adventist lol

[@justanotherlikeyou]

I am a former Seventh-day Adventist now Eastern Orthodox Christian. God is good

[@rodrigoscustodio]

EGW is a very, very, deep subject. The best way to start is looking from the Burned-over District Pre-Millerite Movement. IF you start from this period, your perspective of EGW will change completely.

[@PaulDavid70]

24:52 "Keeping the Sabbath isn't what saves you" Oh are you sure about that? Your eschatology says otherwise.

[@ZionKid95]

Not stealing doesn't save you either. But you'll get lost, if you continue stealing. Same with Sabbath observance. It doesn't save you, but you'll get lost if you continue transgressing God's commandments while you know what you should do.

[@PaulDavid70]

@@ZionKid95 The sabbath commandment was a type and shadow of the spiritual rest all believers have in Christ nowadays. Hebrews 3

[@kelsiepchallenge]

If I could lose my salvation, I would.

[@tylerpedersen9836]

@@PaulDavid70 This is so important. Christians are no longer "under" the law. Romans 6:14

[@FreedomsNurse]

He was saying no one is saved by keeping the law. "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight..." - Rom 3:20a "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ..." - Gal 2:16a. If sabbath keeping got you into heaven, then I guess all the Pharisees who rejected Jesus Christ will be there.

[@foreignparticle1320]

"I understand the pivot." Yes. I wish we could all aim to understand everyone else's pivot points. And, maybe more crucially, understand our own.

[@clarkent61]

I thought this was a bible study? Should the bible not be the standard by which consensus is acheived? Or is this a talk shop?

[@aaronwalterryse4281]

@@clarkent61 Not sure what you mean. Some of his videos are bible studies, but his denominational investigative videos help us understand how interpretations of the bible are lived and applied.

[@HerveAlce]

Hey Matt! Thank you for this video. I was born and raised in the SDA church and have done my own exhausted study on the church and its beliefs. I also love looking at other Christian denominations and taking a look at their nuts and bolts. I'll be looking at all of your videos and learning some more. Awesome channel! Keep up the good work. I'm subscribed.

[@Jarrodjohn2007]

Keep looking. Look at every Christian church you can that teaches Scripture and where you feel fed. Truth can withstand investigation.

[@dianechapmanbettyboop]

Me too, I was born and raised a Seventh-day Adventist, when I was in my 20’s I wanted to make sure I was in the correct Church as far as what the Bible teaches, I went to various other churches. Learned what their doctrines were on different issues. I then went back to the SDA Church, and I am glad I did.

[@stevenv6463]

So there is this discussion about the Trinity not being seven day Adventist belief in the early days. Were they binitarian? What is the relationship between binitarianism and Sabbath keeping? There is the continuing church of God that is binitarian and Sabbath keepers. Like the seven day Adventists they seem to really dislike the Catholic church, is there some historical connection between these beliefs. And what does the Adventist part mean? The imminent return of Jesus?

[@theplowman_11]

I love how you spoke bro. And the brothers spoke nice. I never expected this.

[@stevenchacala]

Former SDA here. SDA's teach that the two elements to identify the "remnant church" of the last days are: 1. Keeping the 10 commandments (the Sabbath) 2. Having the gift of prophecy (E.G. White) In other words, they think that this means the "Remnant Church" is them. Both Trinitarianism and Arianism exist. The fundamental beliefs have at least in the past been ambiguous enough to allow one to believe either way. I think the official stance is Trinitarian, but Arianism has not been stamped out. You are absolutely right about the range of beliefs that coexist across the SDA community. The Investigative Judgement doctrine ripped the church apart in the early 1980's (when I left, but for other reasons). Here is the full story: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_Review_Committee

[@joyagain4843]

I’m an Adventist and I believe the “remnant” people will come from every single denomination, I believe the remnant are the people who discover God’s biblical truth. I do NOT believe only Adventist’s will be in heaven, it will be God’s true followers in every denomination and in every part of the world.

[@FreedomsNurse]

Why did you leave?

[@mentalmassage7]

If you get time, check out the book "The great controversy" by Ellen White. I think you will find it intriguing👌🏿

[@corbinsugaski9169]

It is very intriguing indeed!

[@gordo191]

@Brian Farley there are so many people from all denomination that are devoted to GOD , look at the millions of people who attend these evangelical churches that keep taking your money , they are truly seeking JESUS , you are judged by what you know ,

[@XSquibX]

@@gordo191 and the Catholic church also has an estimated $30 billion in the coffers so.... *shrugs* I agree, there's plenty of bad money grubbing out there, but it's unfortunately, in all denominations. That's the state of sinful man.

[@XSquibX]

@@gordo191 at the same time.. if I look up these numbers, online seems to be wildly inaccurate... One site says $3 billion for the Australian Catholic church while another says $30 billion. What actually is it? Only God and they know.

[@NarutokunJB]

@Brian Farley anti Catholic would be accurate as far as the system goes, but certainly not anti Catholic towards individuals who are Catholic.

[@larsandrune]

Go to California and try to interview leaders of the Bethel church movement ( carasmatic) good luck but I doubt any of them will talk.

[@jessicareid3001]

As a seventh-day adventist, I must say, you did a good job with this video. I really enjoyed your interview and hearing your thoughts at the end. And you got it right when you said there are 2 types of Adventist...there is the conservation group and a more modern group, but we generally get along peacefully.

[@nicetry620]

There is only "ONE" cooperation that owns the "title" seventh day adventist church.....and under that title there is only "ONE" set of fundamental beliefs which applies to all members under this title..... So ultimately all "TRUE" seventh day adventist members are under the same set of beliefs. Do your homework

[@jessicareid3001]

@@nicetry620 Joel...I don't mean two literal groups. I mean two types of seventh day Adventist you'll run into. You could run into a really conservative Adventist who is against cooking on the Sabbath and more liberal SDA, who believes cooking is fine on Sabbath. You could walk into a conservative church that only allows the piano to be played during praise and worship and songs are sung from the hymnal alone, or you can walk into a more liberal SDA church, that have full band (drums, cymbals, keyboard, electrical guitar) during praise and worship and sing contemporary Christian music. And I don't need to do my homework: I was born, raised, baptized in the SDA church, I'm an active and tithing member, I attended Adventist school, Pathfinder meetings, served as an AYS leader, opened an Adventist Club Chapter at a Non-Adventist College, Attended every single camp meeting within my division, tuned into every general conference meeting, served as a Sabbath school teacher, attended multiple SDA churches up and down the US, attended SDA churches in multiple countries across the globe... I could go on... But I'd be here ALLLLLLLLLLL night.... And I think you got the picture. God bless.

[@nicetry620]

@@jessicareid3001 Oh😯, you were raised an SDA... Then you understand that the SDA church has placed her writings EQUAL to scripture. And she herself has placed her writings EQUAL to scripture. You also understand that she took the writings of others DENIED doing it and claimed it all came directly from God.

[@toni9129]

Thank you for conducting an objective and respectful interview. Interviewing has been a core element of my career, hence I appreciate your style. Keep it up!

[@brianjohnson5906]

Great videos! Would love to see one on Amish or Mennonites.

[@scorpioninpink]

Rather Quakers.

[@xandro2445]

@@scorpioninpink Quakers might not even be considered Christian

[@BOB_EDC]

Mennonite would be a great video

[@analogkid4957]

Amish or Mennonite would be great

[@happyface4713]

I'm here because my sister is now a Adventist and just curious - a friend and I did what you are doing for about a year - she was a bible translator - or had been most of her life and I always wanted to learn about the CHURCH - the Universal Church - the Body of Believers . So I enjoy your show

[@kendallgonzalez3042]

Happy Hermit sorry about this man seems like he's lonley that's why I'm responding to his comments

[@alpha4IV]

Other than the name, I never knew anything about this denomination. & I’ve made a fool out of myself talking to friends of mine whom were 7 day Adventist in the past. But this one was hard to concentrate & listen through. A good video and great topics were covered but man, was this one dense & a bit dry. Keep up the great work.

[@XSquibX]

I definitely found these sda videos a bit different from the rest. There was a ton more sit down Q&A which didn't alway have concisely answered questions. There were more awkward cuts in the video. I think in the original videos, like with Orthodox and Anglican, there might have been less of a debative questioning and more of just questions and listening. It probably also felt a bit different having a friend sitting at the table with you as you questioned their pastor.

[@DavidKing-qd3sp]

curious to know what your view of SDA are...

[@redcolt777]

Hey Matt. If you're confused whether SDA are regular Christians, try inviting your three friends there to come and worship with you at your church on Sunday....

[@hipsterwolf7265]

I’m sure they’ll come

[@redcolt777]

@@hipsterwolf7265 Try it then

[@jestergodfield690]

Seventh day adventists do not worship on Sunday.

[@tylerpedersen9836]

Why were they so evasive about the "what is the gospel?" question in the group setting?

[@Hanndeezy]

Tyler Pedersen because they don’t know the gospel.

[@melissas.5814]

More like they overcomplicated a simple answer. I'm an Adventist and I can say that the only way a person is saved is that they believe in Jesus and all He has done for us, repent of their sins, and seek to obey God and His Word to the best of your ability (by His strength of course, not our own). Acts 2:38, 3:19 and Ephesians 2:8-10. That's it. As we develop our relationship with God, He sees fit to give us more knowledge to live by. That about sums it up.

[@carbon273]

Melissa S. Sounds slightly different from what I believe. I believe that you must accept Jesus as Lord and that God raised him from the dead. That we must repent of our sins and turn in faith to him. That we are saved by Grace through faith alone. Not by anything we can do. Since our works can never save us. That we are made workers IN Christ by the Holy Spirit and our faith is sustained by these works. “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created IN Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” ‭‭James‬ ‭2:26‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ Doing good deeds do not justify us. The Grace of God does, only if we turn to him. That’s the Gospel I believe.

[@melissas.5814]

@@carbon273 I'm sorry but I'm not seeing how we differ much in understanding here. Maybe I wasn't clear so I'll explain with more detail. We are saved through faith in Jesus Christ and what he has done for us. Period. But the evidence of whether that is a reality in a person's life is shown through HOW they live their life. Hence all of James 2. We are accountable for the amount of knowledge we have, hence God "winking" at those moments of sins done in ignorance. But we ARE held accountable for them when we learn what the Word says (Romans 7:9-13). No amount of work saves us BUT its our works that testify if there really is a change of life and our old sinful mind has died. (Romans 8:5-8, Philippians 2:5, and Ephesians 4:22-25) That's why I referenced the 2 verses I did (one of them also being referenced by yourself). We are remade into vessels of righteousness to do God's will as He has seen fit to make us (Eph 2:8-10) Romans 6:12-13,16-18 KJV Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. [13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. [16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? [17] But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. [18] Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. I hope that's cleared up any misunderstandings :)

[@typical_watcher4599]

I ask you back that question "What is the gospel?" From where we are save from?

[@homoousias]

Thanks for this! As a former Saturday sabbatarian (non-SDA), I found this conversation to be fascinating. Thanks for handling these discussions with grace!!❤

[@bobreese4807]

Former???? Did you run into a Satanic influenced heretic. SUNday pastors are afraid to debate me. FOLLOW JESUS not the PAGANS!

[@Keonny77]

LAMO... Matt was like... "Wait you have your own bookstores"? LOL Yes and they sell vegetarian meat too! LOL

[@PaulDavid70]

I think the reason he was surprised is that Adventists having their own bookstores is like Mormons having theirs.

[@arthurh4484]

@@PaulDavid70 How so?

[@PaulDavid70]

@@arthurh4484 it's cultic. It's like they're claiming exclusivity to the truth. We are the true denomination sort of thing, just like the Mormons claim

[@arthurh4484]

@@PaulDavid70 The Jews claimed exclusivity to the truth for many generations until they walked away from God. God's people always have exclusivity to his truth. However the SDA church is in apostacy today, accepting homosexuality and aligning with the papacy, among many other things. The "Remnant of her seed" is growing now and preparing for the latter rain..

[@Keonny77]

@@PaulDavid70 We have our own stores because our teachings are unique that you may not find our books etc in other stores. I remember going to Berean Christian Bookstore less than a mile from an Adventist Church and asking the manager for an EGW book. He respectfully said they didn't have or carry them. In a capitalistic system I completely understand not catering to less than 1% of a religious minority. So of you want thing for Adventist...you go to an Adventist source. But that doesn't preclude us from getting stuff from cokesbury bookestore(which is sponsored by the Methodists) or another store or them coming to our stores to get things. Yes... other denominations have their own stores and printing companies....people just don't noticed it. Matt could ask about and get information on Cokesbury and Odyssey Channel for the United Methodists or Westminister Press for the Presbyterians.

[@darrelmiller8865]

Hi Matt, I am really glad youtube suggested this video. I was a Sabbath REST adventist (an offshoot of SDA church in the 1960s - still going by the way, unfortunately). It was a nice trip down memory lane, especially the theology of the Investigative Judgement. I no longer am any kind of Seventh Day adventist - mainly because I believe in the Resurrection. Once I decide to take the Resurrection seriously (thank you N.T. Wright), it seems to me worshiping on Saturday is a tacit denial thereof. However, revisiting the Investigative Judgement theology I don't have a problem with the concept. While God, like CS Lewis says - doesn't exist in time, we do. While the judgment may take no time to him (does it exist?) it does to us, and so we are stuck in a place that has time, so it appears that what God is doing "takes time".

[@thomasdownard155]

All glory and praise to the Most High Yah. May He bless and keep you, may His countenance shine upon and guide all your steps with His glorious light.

[@chukku3871]

@Darrel Miller How exactly does the resurrection nullify the Sabbath?

[@linaso9739]

Wow, discussion was pretty deep. This was my first time listening to their theology. Thank you!

[@SuperJ213]

Matt, I love the first few minutes of how you explain your approach to doing these videos. This is apparent in your interviews and is probably why so many people enjoy your videos as opposed to the people who can't help but make comments on any given video such as, "I was in that [name of church or religion] and I am glad I got out..." Many of us enjoy learning about other things, but people come out of the woodwork to cast shade on any other religion that's not their own, or no longer their own. If only all of your viewers were as classy as you.

[@guillo1211able]

Great video, at least people can get know about Seventh Day Adventists beliefs. Some may like it, some other won't, but, what denomination is liked by everybody?

[@nannykat1057]

I SINCERELY appreciate these videos of yours on the various denominations/Christian organizations... thank you. And yes, as an LCMS Lutheran, I agree we're pretty much the same from one church to another... However, we now have 'contemporary Worship services'....mainly the music is the difference. :-) How many Lutherans does it take to change a light bulb? None; we don't like change. ;-) Blessings!!

[@martinkent333]

When a Christian woman is raped, God does nothing. Eating religious dung is bad for little girls, folks.

[@777Looper]

Lutherans don't like change... Palpatine_Ironic.gif

[@SchoolForProphets]

Let's talk about investigative judgment.

[@mynameismanic]

Simply. God judges Christian before he returns to give them their reward which is eternal life. It’s. A logical process that must happen it happens over time because who benefits from the process is the rest of Gods creation. Why God is seeking to forgive those who sinned against him rather than destroying them like he will do with satan. God is seeking to keep the rest of the creation other unfallen beings sinless.

[@gordo191]

@@mynameismanic does it say somewhere in the scriptures that we are a theatre to the universe, so I'm thinking anyone can look at our records and see what we have done and WHY GOD forgave us , or denied the sinner ?

[@KLuis-rq6hf]

Yes, please! I was raised Baptist, but have been baptized into the SDA faith after marrying my husband, who is a third generation Adventist. I had never heard of this "investigative judgment" idea before until more recently. I even watched your "Prevail: How to Conquer Death" (I think that's the title) video, and with all your Biblical references, it seems very easy to comprehend. But then why, I wonder, are SDAs the only ones to acknowledge or recognize Daniel 8:14 in this manner? The easy answer is, well, because of sin...because of the prince of this world. Or do not other denominations acknowledge this because it's inconsequential as the guy in this video believes? But if it is insignificant, then why is it in the Bible? Is not everything in the Bible significant? Or is it even REEEALLY in the Bible? There's nowhere that says the exact words "investigative judgment". I'm all over the place with this--which, I know, is what the enemy wants. I don't want to be distracted. I pray for spiritual discernment.

[@ragnarok8834]

Regarding the term of "investigative judgement" is something not in the scriptures, but so with term "Trinity" and even "Bible". All of these words are just terms to describe a concept in the Word of God. Regarding the reason for the investigative judgement, here is my understanding: God is a God of love and He had place a high importance of His personal relationship with each individual in the universe. But it is not only humans that He has relationships well with other creatures such as angels. This relationship and free will, that God had granted to His creatures, allows the these free will creatures to evaluate and question God's decision in their mind. Since the angels are not omniscient like God, God out of His love, made a event to clarify the questions in the creatures regarding His decision of the salvation each person. Imagine a guardian angel of the person who in the end was because that person did not accept the salvation offered, will there not there be a question in the angels mind "Did God give this person enough chance? Did God exhausted all means this person to bring him to heaven?" Evaluating God's dealing in each person in each moment of their lives, in an open court in heaven is the best way to show the universe how God is dealing with justice and love with each person on earth. Put it this way, when the highest court, for example a Supreme Court, handed a decision (whether guilty or not guilty) the judgement does affect only the reputation of the person being judge. It also affects the reputation of the Supreme Court, cause people want to know if that decision is fair enough. Same with God, though technically we cannot question His decisions since He is omniscient and we are not, the free will and the logical mind that He had given us allows us to evaluate His judgement, decisions and actions. He will help all his creatures to understand His character of love through this event until that day that all His creature will speak with honestly from the bottom of their hearts "Great and amazing are your deeds, O Lord God the Almighty! Just and true are your ways, O King of the nations!".

[@purrplemane5954]

@@gordo191 1Cor. 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

[@kevinmorgan_truth]

16:28 a faint voice says Miller didn't want to pin it down to a date, but that got lost. Historically, that is true. Miller didn't originate the specific date and only accepted it within days of when it was supposed to be fulfilled.

[@ngosamusic3192]

First video I've watched, love this guy already. New sub.

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

Awesome, thank you!