What do you think is happening in this Mythic+ Pug Key..?

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[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Leave a comment and try your best to predict the key level, and what you think is happening here between mentality and experience!

[@TheAttendee]

Based on mob HP I'd say somewhere around the +20 fortified range.

[@longleg420]

+22 :D

[@gxxkc8074]

My guess is somewhere between 17-20

[@jeglikertog]

We're given a lot of hints if you're told to look for it beforehand. I would assume it's a 22-24 somewhere due to the tooltips of hovered players, the HP values, and dps meter would align with that too. My best bet to why it happened would either be the tank being distracted one way or the other, and not having the abom as his target while it unfolds, so when he regains focus on the situation, the abom is outside his field of view. The way the party gets chunked from the abom dot also indicates the key has to be of some level with the HP values shown. If we ignore all the points given, it looks like a situation you'd find in a key in the 2-8 range. This is some wild shit.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@jeglikertog Ya, I meant more what this situation and mentality would make you think, key level wise.

[@Aegea291]

I think the evoker is trolling to make a point that the tank is bad and can’t hold threat. And maybe to also tilt the group in order to throw the key?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya unfortunately this all I got submitted so ya never know. Maybe something like this happened earlier too

[@SmokerFace12]

0:58 DBM: Run away little girl, run away..

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Hahaha he was just following the prompt!

[@joeltorres2255]

What kind of evoker runs from the tank 🤔 if you have aggro run to the tank

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

The kind that leaves after dying to doing it

[@user-tb3ih9lt4f]

the melee range and randomly high amount of burst was probably the suncaller trinket. i have it on a lot of my casters as well and with druids and brewmaster monks i have noticed they dont get a lot of aggro insanely fast so a lot of the time if you use it within the first 2-3sec of a pull normally you get punished with aggro

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Gotcha ya it's gotta be, because he goes from 80 to 240 in an instant.

[@madDjakni]

From what I can tell the issue here is twofold. 1: Because the guardian druid either lacked spacial awareness, or for some reason thought just body pulling the caster and abomination was good enough, he doesn't hit the first thrash onto those two leaving a window for the evokers burst opener to pull aggro from him (and he doesn't notice in time for whatever reason) 2: The evoker runs away from the tank and group. The tank is obviously not going to (and shouldn't) chase one random idiot kiting the mob away we pull packs together for a good reason :P But yeah this situation would have been so easily negated if either the tank had more awareness of aggro, had just generated threat appropriately from the beginning, or if the Evoker had simply ran towards the tank to either die fast or have the tank grab aggro. Any one of these three things would have led a quick resolution of the issue (ofc the evoker would probably have left if he ran in and died but we can't control that)

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I really don't understand it from either side

[@apotheonffxiv]

Before the key level is shown I want to guess that its going to be a +18-20 gone wrong, Evoker just kiting the abom everywhere except towards the tank just stole aggro and ran off back to the start of the dungeon with it with the ret pally following.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Wild to see them run away like that then leave like if they are being wronged haha

[@piefishman-nz9yg]

this has to be a 11 or something, any higher and i think the pally bubble taunts and actually fixes the issue its mad that they chose main character syndrome and just left though i didnt expect a 21 tbh, there wasnt as much abom dmg as i expected

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

ya this is certainly something I would only expect to see on a low key.

[@Mike-cb2cr]

I had guessed it was around a 18. Dps in low keys just face tank and die once they pull threat and blame tank, I assumed he was going to zone out at least to drop threat. No idea how the tank made it past first pull it he was struggling on that. I don't know if it's just me but this season seems too easy up 20s and people get carried that high without learning mechanics and I see so many basic things being ignored in 20-25 keys

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Certainly the season is going too easy. This key really shows that very clearly all around.

[@therealkatiekerr]

The thing I'm stuck on is that the ret paladin has the clarity to react and chase down the abomination, but NOT to taunt it off the evoker and drag it back to the tank?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Hahaha really funny point honestly. Welcome to pugging!

[@shockre1119]

as you said, it's weird that tank didn't saw that treat, but also I don't know how many times I told to my friends, if you have an aggro run towards tank not from tank. Probably with cleave especially guardian would grab that aggro back but if you are running 3 miles away he will not chase you and turn back to whole pack.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I just don't understand any of this at all. How the tank doesn't get threat initially when the mobs are right next to him might be the most confusing part haha

[@icswack6015]

This is for sure a weekly 20-21 key going off the time it takes to kill stuff. And this evoker is running from the tank when he should be running to the tank lol and by the way the evoker reacts to having aggro he makes it hard for the tank to do anything. If his taunt was on cd because he taunted one of the other mobs and the evoker literally sprints away with the mob the second he gets aggro how to you even respond as a tank.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it's funny because some one was arguing in favor of the evoker here but he legit pulls threat then sprints away. There is a real possibility that taunt is just on cd and never has a chance of being used.

[@victoriasullivan1394]

russian translation (far from fluent so if anyone has corrections lmk) бурст нахуй - f**** my burst (?) всего добого, бб - all the best (basically good luck), gg basically the evoker was just malding that he died in cds to threat. devokers pull threat easily because reverse execute and the tank either brain lagged or somehow couldnt get aggro off? and the evoker booking it with the mob made it infinitely worse. dont think he's new, just silly

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Great that's actually really helpful! Basically just confirming he is a selfish unskilled player.

[@kopitarrules]

This has to be under a 14 or something like that. I'll say a 13. I think the situation is that the evoker cast some kind of ST burst spell as the tank was gathering threat, then ran away thinking to outrange the mob while, in their mind, the tank would notice they didn't have aggro and taunt the mob. The tank, not noticing that they don't have aggro on the mob because it is out of range so quickly, just happily continues tanking the pack in front of them. The paladin Tries to help the evoker by DPSing the mob as they pull it back into Narnia. Final way out there prediction. The evoker was being played by a Hunter main who goes by the name "pyro". #MyOnePerWeek Lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

lol... Sadly I wish it was indeed a low key.

[@Sara-it9se]

This is deff one of the more 'obscure' keys you've covered, and that says a lot lmao. The tank completely missing that mob, the Evoker kiting the mob all the way to Africa and then the group just disbanding. I don't know what was going through either the tank or Evoker's minds, but if I were the Evoker I would have ran to the tank so he could pick up the mob off me and if that still doesn't happen then well, we clearly have a tank issue. But this guy didn't even give the tank the chance to do that, he just ran off on a honeymoon with that abomination lol. It just overall feels like a complete miscommunication from all sides.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it really is one of the strangest things you can see. Especially how he leaves after doing the dumbest thing you could possibly do when you have threat as a ranged haha

[@flashyhooves1710]

We can calculate the keylevel from the absolute health and percentage we see ;) But yeah, i play guardian too and getting aggro is really difficult. He probably pressed his 2 buttons, taunted then fast also 1 (naturalist i suppose), and then the abonimation was loose. The dps run away, GG. The ret pala also get aggro on it before this happens. On second 50 in your video the ret has 3 red bars and the abo isnt next to the other 2 mobs.Then you see the evoker topping the dps and the abonimation goes to the evoker who runs. If you want to get a bear get aggro, get in thrash-range.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it's just strange to me because he is in thrash range for quite a while. No clue what is going on here

[@flashyhooves1710]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Thrash alone isnt cutting it unfortunately when you have 2 dps who blast at the start. Bear wants to get somewhere 40 free rage to also be able to Raze. Guardian feels really bad on pull for aggro unfortunately.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@flashyhooves1710 ya no doubt. His damage is quite low for this key level too honestly.

[@daverobert5018]

Whats the point of running the mob to narnia lmao 🤣 generally when i get agro i try to get in melee range of the tank

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya especially because he is mad afterwards. Like what you want this tank to run 500 yards chasing you across the dungeon!?

[@NeiloReilly]

When I saw the player UI, I thought definitely over 20s range, v slick UI. Then looking at the dps meter [albeit a scuffed pull], looked more like a +10 and the behaviour is weird, no one seems to know what's going on. Then someone hovers over a character and their MDT panel shows +21 done [I think]. The key could easily be a +20 but the pull is perplexing to say the least. Can only think the tank is fed up with the Evoker, lets him pull threat and doesn't taunt the mob back to teach him a lesson of some sort. All a bit weird.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Absurdly weird honestly ya

[@mcshamkraken4448]

The instinct to run away, rather than to the tank is something that some never learn.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

And then double down and leave over it. Game is truly in a weird place anymore. Stuff that people recited as gospel 20 years ago still haven't been learned.

[@stimroll]

I’ve been trying to gear up my warlock recently and there seems to be a huge amount of players that maybe are jumping in the season late because it’s carnage in lower keys at the moment

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@stimroll it's really wild honestly. Record them if you run into stuff like this haha

[@AuraPanda]

My guess in this scenario is that the tank DC'd or had something else came up IRL where he had to stop playing mid pull. And then cue Yakety Sax soundtrack. Key level... It's hard to say. I kinda cheat by looking at the pally's hp total but my gut instinct based on gameplay is that this is a +16. I would be surprised if it was a +20

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya you'd think it was a lower key for sure. I feel like the guy might have dced as well honestly.

[@MegaDanishPride]

Would guess between 19 and 21 based on the total health of the mob and not knowing what affixes are enabled :D

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well it was more about what level would you expect some one to pull threat on an enemy and drag it all the way back to the entrance lol

[@MegaDanishPride]

@@heythereguysitsMetro It's next level tactics that's for sure :D I really enjoy your videos they always produce a laugh or two! I feel lucky to have found your channel (came onboard with the Growl/yumytv wave) Keep up the good work :D

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@MegaDanishPride thanks so much for taking the time to say that :D

[@kkpratt]

The tank isn't blameless here, but isn't this just a run of the mill threat pull that the DPS decided to run AWAY from the tank with instead towards them? From experience playing the spec, I'd think a Dev Evoker would know what to do when they pull threat (since we do it so often).

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Yup, it's like babys first wow mistake. If you pull threat as ranged you take it to the tank. You absolutely don't kite the most dangerous mob around the dungeon for two minutes then complain about dps loss and leave over it. The tank, idk wtf he was doing frankly. But he easily could have just been lagging or something. This is absolutely nothing to leave a key over ever.

[@saraiva1704]

It truly seems tank never got aggro for real on it, if you look at the very beginning of the pull the abomb goes directly to healer/evk side, changes to the tank, them back to evoker, but evoker should not have ran that way at all. In my point of view it was not a body pull, bc if you stop exactly at 5:03 you can see the bear doing the attack animation on to the berserker and taking some % of its health (he starts pulls at 99%), so at max it could be a miss click bc it does seem to be the bear auto attack.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I mean there is no way you are going to aggro the two on the right without the patrol there. But still no idea how he doesn't get threat there. He appears to be using spells haha

[@EmeraldMist77]

I have seen that behavior in 20+, Dragon doesn't understand running mobs back into the tank, may have never had that issues before. Pally didn't know what to do , tank should have gone after the run away mob. Mythic plus is the best!!!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

It's certainly unique. Very unpredictable.

[@TrooperLinks]

I think it’s a 12, not sure why he left tho or how he pulled aggro

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I really understand none of this tbh. I really wish it was a low key.

[@Kirschbaum2000]

Maybe a 15? My guess is the tank isnt rly familiar with the dungeon and is not prepared in terms of the route. Snap aggro at the start of a pull, especially one that wasnt intended, is a common problem for people new to tanking. Friend of mine has the same issues and he tanks around 17-20s.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya, maybe. Idk how he doesn't end up with threat OR reacting to the mob running away though.

[@TheFinQ]

It’s just two people with massive egos not letting the other one win. One is too proud to run to the tank and the other too proud to go and get the mob. Quite bizarre really

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Realistically this is the correct answer. But one leaves the key over it haha. Looks like the tanks ego wins!

[@jimakaturbo]

+6 Tank doesn't want to taunt and evoker make it worse by running too far.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

You'd think so!

[@ethan-xm3ub]

ppl coming at me for not taunting the abom or boping the evo but like, 1) I didnt have it keybound as i never thought id have to use it 2) shit was too funny to watch i was too mesmerised by what was unfolding before my very eyes to do any logical thing to help my tank

[@ethan-xm3ub]

also one thing you didnt realise, that I put in the email, is that just as the abom splits and i start running, at the bottom of the screen you see the tank start coming our way and then just goes back to his spot

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya, you did nothing wrong here honestly. Taunting is so foreign to DPS now i would never expect to see it. Bop, maybe but still. I'm happy you played the camera man role haha

[@ethan-xm3ub]

shame i didnt clip last night, we were in a 24 everbloom on first boss, and this ranged demo warlock was baiting the spores towards the wall (there was a clump of 4) where water doesnt even come from, so he was called out for it by the healer and tank and then he just straight up left the key - we were blasting he was just doing the mech wrong, got called out for it and left @@heythereguysitsMetro

[@her0268]

This is either the tank not paying any attention that there is a mob that he isn't currently tanking and it's killing half of the team, or he just doesn't have taunt bound to his keyboard, therefore letting god take the wheel on how successfully the pull goes.

[@flashyhooves1710]

The taunt button of a bear has actually a cooldown. Treat is really difficult at start of pulls on guardian.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya never really know in these keys tbh.

[@icswack6015]

@@flashyhooves1710 every tank taunt button has a cooldown lol

[@flashyhooves1710]

@@icswack6015No shit sherlock :P But in this pull you see 3 mobs aggro the ret. And then someone says just taunt. Or he hasn't bound his taunt button.... I mean, good luck taunting 3 mobs at once on bear.

[@icswack6015]

@@flashyhooves1710 then why are you saying the taunt button of a bear has a cooldown like it’s something specific to bear. Captain obvious

[@jernbek1]

Pretty hilarious the evoker was kiting that far away I thought he was trying to run out of the dungeon. I’ll say it’s a 16 key.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it looks funny honestly. Like he is trying to take it to the first boss or something there.

[@velvet8107]

havent made any good experiences with the tanks realm on EU so yeah its like azralon in US i guess

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya which realm is it? I have heard kazzak is bad there.

[@velvet8107]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Gordunni - Kazzak is just full, and as always as it is for full realms, the people come in different shapes of intelligence :D

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@velvet8107 haha different shapes. Love that

[@DietcokeHD1]

10. There is no way a guy tanking a +21 does not notice a mob running off like that , the pull was not big at all , hardly cause to lose track of a mob. Tank was either tilted or AFK. The only legit reason to let mobs run wild is if you think the pull is a wipe. That did not look like a wipe pull. And yes the envoker was not helping matters running around like that.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I really don't understand this from the tanks pov at all. How does it get pulled and he not have threat on it, is my first question. But ya sadly it is not a low key haha. Probably an ego thing.

[@Invhytas]

Leaving the comment at 4:30: I think this is a tuesday night/wednesday morning 1am weekly +19 /edit: close-ish

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Not far off!

[@BattlestarHavoc]

Am I confused, just because the paladin is DPS spec doesn't mean he can't taunt the mob and bring it back to the tank when it starts chasing the evoker. Seems like basic stuff to me. Doesn't even look like he has taunt keybound. Just silly.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well he could for sure but honestly that's a tall task. No dps really ever taunt like that so probably didn't even think he would need it.

[@BattlestarHavoc]

@@heythereguysitsMetro as and Enh main, that seems silly to not press one button when needed, I always throw out earth else if tank needs some assistance with threat on a pull.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@BattlestarHavoc right because earth elemental actually helps. You will never use taunt ever other than in this ultra strange situation.

[@nthnthms1212]

Idk why the ranged wouldnt just run to tank like a normal person.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

They likely aren't a normal person.

[@saluun2334]

As I'm typing this I haven't read anyone else's comments and paused before you reveal: So I think the tank just simply disconnected and the reason why I'm thinking that is if I look at the damage meter it is dropping slowly for him.. I imagine he's auto attacking because he's dc'd.. I only saw afflicted so I'm guessing the key is below 14.. I'll say it's level 11. Edit: Ha.. I was 10 levels wrong .. I couldn't see raging on anything.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Haha ya you'd think it was a low key right!? You may legit be right about him dced or something. No clue how this happens

[@eaberrydc]

this is about a third of the way through the dungeon. we have no idea what has happened up to this point. I feel like it is a new tank. i tank into the mid and upper teens. If DPS kited a mob away, it's his. I stay with the pack and the healer. the evoker is clearly trolling. maybe they were tilted from earlier in the run. hard to say. what key level? my guess is like 11-13.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

You'd think it was a low key for sure. But ya the evoker is clearly doing something foolish here. Wish we had the rest of the key for sure. Maybe there is more to it.

[@bradlymiller4936]

Standard procedure get aggro run to tank. That guy was just completely clueless.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya and then doubles down and leaves when he fails to kite lol. I wish he lived longer I'd love to see how far he would take it.

[@bradlymiller4936]

I wonder if he was just embarrassed

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I hope, but I doubt it. ​@@bradlymiller4936

[@MrMaskedJoker]

probably a body pull so tank was mad, tank used a single trash that proc'ed so aggro was low then the evoker does 270k burst to get aggro. weirdest thing to me is that in a 21 a dps running away from the tank when they have aggro makes no sense, even less when they run half the instance away expecting taunt to be infinite range. bad on all sides like you said.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya really is just bad on all sides haha

[@Erik_Arnqvist]

Imma guess it’s a +16. Everyone with a taunt messed up and the Evoker messed up. Who should have taken the mob to the tank. Now regarding mentality which is the most interesting thing. I think the Evoker is a bit a full of himself. I have a dps monk friend that loves rolling in and nuking the pack within a global of the pull. He sometimes gets aggro and takes a hit. He always blames the tank for this. Similar with the Evoker here like prioritizing anything that isn’t the success of the run. Would be a time save here for the Evoker to just die rather than create this entire mess. Best case being doing some dragon fly move and making it to the tank. Also fun seeing melee dps players refusing to use their taunt button despite it saving situations like this.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I think your comparison to your monk friend is accurate here. Some one translated the Russian here and it appears to be him complaining about his DPS being ruined by pulling threat haha. Just your typical player who only cares about themselves, it seems.

[@tbuksuperfly]

Guessing in the 16-18 range. Gonna guess 16. edit: 21??! well i was wrong :D

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it really should be a lower key, you'd hope.

[@tbuksuperfly]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Shouldn't surprise me tbh. Did a 21 rise earlier on my priest and the mage in there baited all the blasts right into the middle on the 1st boss; stood right in the middle on battlefield too. I gripped him to the side, and he did stay there to his credit, but on the last boss he said he didn't know how to do the orbs so me as the healer and only other ranged had to do it which was mildly annoying. Guess it is pretty late in the season and these people just get carried through without actually learning anything bar the basics.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@tbuksuperfly yup. Huge huge issue with keys right now. Hopefully working towards solving it in season 4

[@doug4974]

my guess is 23. I've only ever seen players behave like this in 20+ keys. the smallest thing doesn't go to script and a key is snubbed over it. edit: Also, I can't tell if evoker new or just being a head-ass.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya honestly you are totally right about these attitudes. This is the exact level it should be given the attitude too. People like this think they are way better than they are.

[@doug4974]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I can't like this comment enough. The 20+ skill to ego ratio is precisely why I just push ksm 16's over two weeks and then do it again on an alt.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@doug4974 ya I honestly don't blame you haha

[@SmokerFace12]

Gonna guess and say this is a +17 or +18

[@SmokerFace12]

Oof

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@SmokerFace12 hahaha nope!

[@SmokerFace12]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Gameplay of the Evoker and Tank wanted me to guess lower, the paladin did hit hard with spells and seems really geared, wich is why I guessed a little higher. In hindsight, (once again) a priest having a natural brainshock and wanting to insta leave should've been my clue of it being 20+ There are also 2 players, the tank and lock from the Russian realm I mentioned a few times, icing on the cake This one was great!

[@mikeoldes5150]

I guess +8

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

It would make more sense honestly.

[@premsak2250]

100% evoker fault. they have to burst when mobs full hp due to their mastery and they gonna pull threat from tank. instead of run to tank for help he just run away. if i was that tank i would stand and watch too.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I'd imagine it's relatively common on devastation, but they are so rare I have no idea haha. But ya obviously this dude chains terrible decisions together then tops it all off by leaving. Worst of the worst!

[@unhingedcrouton]

Definetly a new player. He has that "run away / kite" instinct but not the "kite in the direction of the tank" instinct when in group.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya the evoker you think? Seems to me like some one who thinks they are better than they are tbh

[@kizzagaming6523]

Don't wanna stoke the flame here but, if he didn't go in a straight line backwards he'd have agro'd trash on the other side or died while trying to pass it to melee hits. I think he just expected the tank to pick it up before it got to that distance away (which he should have) or if I were on the paladin I've have taunted it off the evoker then ran it back to the tank and popped a defensive or bubble to fix it. Or heck, could have even bopped the evoker and fixed it too. Also, again the evoker didn't even crack 300k dps, there is no realm a tank shouldn't have threat on that.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@kizzagaming6523 the correct choice from the evoker was simply die. As you see, the mob immediately goes back to the tank, which is kind of wild given how much the paladin was attacking it. I don't know how the tank doesn't have threat on it on the pull or why he doesn't react, but once it leaves melee range there is no way the tank is picking it back up. But at the end of the day the remarkable thing is that this is a disband over this nonsense. Truly sad how basics like this have eluded players doing content that is meant to be challenging.

[@kizzagaming6523]

​@@heythereguysitsMetro Oh for sure it absolutely was, but you're relying on someone else to die for someone elses mistake and immediately in a game that has a very large focus on ego and numbers most people aren't going to oblige that, at least in my experience. Even the people that run back after dying and accidentally agro things (I know you've experienced this 100 times since I've watched it unravel in real time haha) when you ask them to die instead of dragging it all back to the group and wiping everyone they don't die either, pretty much ever in my experience until you go higher and higher where players are just simply better.

[@unhingedcrouton]

@@heythereguysitsMetrocan be both

[@kizzagaming6523]

Lot of people condemning the evoker here, mob week in a 20+ even with defensive that abom's going to hit you twice and you're going to die, tank had ample time to fix the situation and didn't and once you're committed to kiting you either die or wait for the tank to collect it. The pally also could have bopped the evoker or taunted it himself and ran it back towards the tank, so a few issues going on here overall. But definitely not the evoker's fault, also know many of us if we have had back to back bad keys and then a tank that has like 8 seconds to taunt doesn't even notice you will just kinda be like sigh, I can't be bothered with this anymore. Sorry also, forgot to mention - the evoker cannot run it back towards tank because as u pass it it will get those 2 swings and kill u and if u try to swing around you will agro stuff on the other side that was being skipped.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

That's an unfortunate thing to admit because this was clearly a mistake by the ranged player here as much as it was the tank and even so would have zero impact on the success of this key. I don't know what else might have happened in this key, but if it truly was the only "mistake" here and you are leaving over threat you should probably just take a break from the game. That's just not fair to the other players in the group.

[@kizzagaming6523]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Definitely, but it's pretty easy to see how or why he might feel that way. Tank didn't tank, had ample time to do so. Failed his job big time. Evoker got annoyed and left. I've seen people leave over much more trivial things, lol. Also in my experience, most people aren't in it for the group stuff they're all about the personal dps, personal loot, personal progress - other people are just a by product of what their goals are. That's also a bit more of the wow side of things at fault there than players, but it makes it easier to leave keys because it's a lot less personal, most keys people don't even talk to one another unless it's anger or blame

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@kizzagaming6523 ya sadly the game sets this all up and the community has zero self awareness so they eat it up.

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@@heythereguysitsMetro I always say my goal in keys and I try to tell other people the same thing - Your job is to make your healers life as easy as possible. Dps comes second, if u can off heal go ahead n off heal. If you can bop or stun for your healer or another dps in trouble, go ahead and do that. At least that's how I like to play since it usually results in reversing situations you would die in and just keeps the key very smooth, and u can still crack over 300k while doing this stuff. Had plenty of pulls I'm over 100k hps on my paladin as ret and we still resolve the issue and carry on. LOOK AFTER YOUR GROUP! But yes, it's not setup in a good way to advocate for that being priority.