What do your 4x4 wheels and tyres weigh?

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[@andyaskew1543]

After 3 months of not drinking any Coke/soda my GVM is about 30 lbs. lighter....

[@pigman4084]

Ronny Dahl says to Soda Stream it instead

[@alberttresslevic914]

I took coke for 3 months and lost about 30gvm

[@Bugoutvehiclesuk]

Albert Tresslevic you just won the internet.

[@fantus6668]

Beer is also a solid alternative :P

[@stephenhaughey-xdriveadvan1236]

Andrew you have covered the aspect of weight fairly well, one thing you have not mentioned, which is eaqually important is your axle weights both front and rear .you may be legally within your vehicle gvm but over on the front axle Toyota LandCruisers do not have a particularly great front axle weight limit which is easily exceeded with a bulbar, winch and other accessories such as a dual battery setup. You may very well have created a cantelever with the addition of the two spare wheels and dual spare wheel carrier, however remove one spare wheel and the corresponding arm for the wheel carrier and you may very well have transferred too much weight to the front axle. I would have asked the weighbridge to give me the gvm as well as individual axle weights for the vehicle and then look at your weights again regards XDrive

[@mre.w.2850]

I like the thinking here, only one problem, take engine weight into consideration that's a huge portion of the front end weight, when the backs fully loaded with gear parts wheels etc, the front is balanced out

[@vytas5584]

My front axles did get wear on them. Could this be from removing the back seats (all of them)? And having a rear that sits a little high? I never considered that.

[@SteveBurns80]

Great video! Staying on or just under Gvm, It's one of the hardest things about setting up a remote touring vehicle. Most out there would be over gvm by a fair amount. I was one of them once. Good decision on the wheels and tyres! That will make a massive difference to the way your vehicle handles. And I agree, In most cases, I think Gvm upgrading is a bad idea, from my experience it's far better to cull the weight.. If your hundreds of kgs over and you cannot cull, then you've chosen the wrong vehicle.

[@kisbushcraftdownunder]

I carry only one spare tyre and rim but a set of tyre pliers plugs patches and a tube on a caving expedition ten years ago making our own tracks I did 14 tyre repairs on four cars in one day.

[@NyashaM]

what if the tyre is literally torn

[@kisbushcraftdownunder]

Nyasha Mushambi hi if you mean split on the sidewalk I have used a speedy sticher to close up the gap and prevent it biting the tube . Big holes in the tread are rare with modern tyres but can be repaired to a standard suitable for low speed driving. The key thing with tyres is getting the pressure right for the terrain you’re on. Regards Mike

[@kisbushcraftdownunder]

sictc hi tyre side walls can be field repaired if you have the gear to remove the tyre from the rim the weight and space saved and the ability to do multiple repairs is in my opinion the best option on a recent trip out of four cars we had one flat tyre but three alternators failed due to water and dust why Toyota put it on the bottom of the v8 is hard to believe regards mike

[@ensatlantic]

You know that the Mercedes 6x6 G-Wagon was sold to the Australian Army a few years ago. Maybe you can pick up a used one, convert it, solve all your weight problems at once and make your viewers very happy.

[@4xoverland]

It would make quite a small percentage of my viewers happy. But it would indeed make them very, very happy.

[@admantiom1848]

I have 5 set of 285/75R16 Goodyear Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar and it is only 60lbs per tire and one of the lights off road tire out there and my Toyota 16” TRD wheels are 25lbs each and each wheels is close to 85lbs and the Toyota wheels have the perfect off set and I was very cautious about the weight of the tire when I was perching them and very happy with this set up.

[@macmurfy2jka]

admantiom1848 yeah Andrew’s tires weigh a ton! The 17” alloy wheels and BFGoodrich M/T’s that i run only weight about 60 lb as well.

[@aedeau]

255/85r16 on the oem GXL rim is ideal imo. A true 33" tall tyre and should be significantly lighter than the 285s. Only problem is tyre choices. Basically you can get it in a Toyo MT or Maxxis Big Horn and that's it.

[@aukanmeister]

Yet another great video! I think this is overlooked when people plan their vehicles. And it is so immensely important to the performance of vehicle! It is super easy to add loads of weight without even understanding where all that weight is, and what it does to the general performance. Good job yet again!

[@jimbill6205]

Too many people overload their vehicles and then wonder by reliability suffers. I recently downsized from a Chevy Tahoe to a WJ Grand Cherokee. First thing I did was weigh it at the commercial scale and then calculated the load I can safely carry. Now I am working the gear and vehicle to remove useless weight. The first step was to remove the power seat tracks and replace with manual from the salvage yard. Weight savings is equal to the weight of my tool roll, second I switched the 10 CD changer and in it's space now store my first aid supplies. Third, I modified the rear seat brackets so I can easily remove the rear seats, now I store my cooler and mess kit where the seat was. Fourth, I added skid strips on the roof so I can throw plastic bins on, without having to add a big rack for the same function. And fifth.... the hardest..... convinced my copilot / girlfriend to accept us both losing 25 pounds this year. 15 more to go..

[@Agent.K.]

James Madison 25 per person or combined?

[@jimbill6205]

@@Agent.K."each" is what I thought, but it depends on her mood on how she remembers it......

[@brodieroberts5187]

if you're scraping for weight savings to that extent, then you're REALLY in the wrong vehicle.

[@jimbill6205]

True, I do not recommend the WJ Jeep for extended backcountry travel. But I enjoy the challenge of getting all I can out of it, within its limits.

[@photohiker01]

At about 5:35 you show the unsprung weight with the leaf springs. If the rear leafs on the 70 series are replaced with coils like the Jmacs system, the unsprung weight is lighter, way lighter than changing the weight of the wheels and tyres. The Jmacs makes the whole rear a bit lighter than a leaf one. Also, the vehicle suspension is way better with coils front and back . For big trips, save some weight by only carry the second spare tyre. We have driven outback all around AU with double spares and have never had to use the second one. That's since 2008.

[@slateslavens]

Personally, I'm going for double spares on my build. We made a trip into the hinterlands of Idaho and ran over something in an old converted train tunnel. Both RH tires has an inch-long cut right in the middle of the tread. We only drove out because my wife insisted in carrying a full-size spare in the 95 VW Golf we were driving and we hadn't removed the 'temporary' spare yet.

[@theunlimitedexpedition9418]

Great video Andrew. I think you should plastidip those silver rims, the black looks much nicer.

[@marcondespaulo]

Then someone starts thinking about the weight of all that paint.

[@liamandrewartha4803]

Powder coating often has a better look and lasts much longer.

[@americanrambler4972]

Paying attention to weight of the stuff on your rig is important. While the off road community seems to follow the rule “bigger is always better, and too big is about right.” I find there is often a benefit for restraint in outfitting. In discussing using lighter wheels and tires, even though they are a little smaller, they do come with advantages. When it comes time to change them, the smaller wheel and tire does take up a little less space, and it is easier to handle when it comes time to remove and replace them. A 10kg weight saving per tire may not seem like much, but when you start moving that thing around, it becomes quite noticeable. Also, a smaller lighter tire is often less expensive to replace when the time comes than a bigger heavier one.

[@colindunn864]

Awesome vid ,the first thing people seem to think you have to do to an overland 4wd is put the biggest and heaviest tyre you can buy on . the next thing you then have to do is put them as high as you can and as far behind your rear axle as you can on the back. The broken axle vid makes for good viewing on you tube.I have done many kilometres of outback roads on skinny tyres and corrugations that rub the labels off your cans and containers the last thing I want to do to my car is hang a lot of weight on my live axels

[@markjennings2315]

Just carry one spare and have some counselling for the OCD :-) relax, carry an inner tube and slime etc.

[@SanoyNimbus]

It is not always enough. I have experienced totally destroyed tires (not just flat) on rocky road and I have friends that got a double puncture on two tires at the same time ... So on longer trips in rough terrain/rough roads two spares are a necessity.

[@Tanner731]

inner tubes and slime are for bike tires not cars.

[@hampuslytz5393]

Do you know who this guy is? If he says he needs two spares, he really does. And I'd bet you my hilux he has a LOT more experiance offroading/overlanding than you (and me). Just my 2c in case you mistook him for a random granpa ;)

[@craki06]

Hampus Lytz he also says he hasn’t had a flat in 9 years

[@hampuslytz5393]

@@craki06 And your point would be then that theres no need to carry spares at all? Riddle me this then, you're day 4 into a 6 day solo trip and get a flat that requires a new tyre. What do you do then? Mayby a couple of days drive to nearest person/tyre shop. As for myself, I lug around a removable winch on my lux that I have only really needed a couple of times so far, but boy an I glad I had it for those few times :) .... and remeber, I'm just a weekend warrior, I can wack back ti civilisation if necessary. How often you need something is not half as important as how bad you need it when things go sideways :)

[@SIUDR7202]

I put oversize tires on stock rims for ground clearance. Rims allow the tire size per manufacture. I do a lot of mountain tracks that have very deep ruts. The views are great! I am pulling a off road camper with my 2011 toy tundra my vehicle weight is still respectable. I carry xtra fuel, water and winches and I am still good. Only one spare tire for now but can repair most flats. I do a lot of winter over-landing, no bugs or people!!!!.

[@SIUDR7202]

Oh sorry mate. Your doing a great job. Waiting to see the new vehicle.

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

Agree 100% Also far less likely to damage cv's etc.

[@Mister510]

My 33x10.5R15 Super Swamper TSL Radials weigh 60 pounds each. The early Pathfinder aluminum "Lego" wheels they're mounted on are 22 pounds each. I've got 82 pounds on each corner plus one on the tire carrier for a total of 410 pounds of wheels and tires. I previously ran the same size BFG KO and they were 10 pounds per tire lighter. The truck rode a lot better on washboards but the tires were no where near tough enough for forest wheeling. I had sidewall bruises and bulges, tread separations, carcass separations, and TONS of punctures. Each tire had at least two plugs or patches, one had five! After six years of hard use the Swampers seem to be indestructible. No punctures, no carcass issues, no leaks, and the sidewalls are so thick I've never knocked one off the bead, even running at 10 psi.

[@M0N33R]

Great info & good humour! Thank you Sir :) I replaced the wheels on my Pathfinder R51 for wheels coming from Patrol Y62 + adapters, to go from 30" wheels to 32" wheels & got a 1" lift of clearance = "unconsciously" added approx. 36 kg of unsprung weight + 6 kg to the spare wheel. The difference can be really felt in the car acceleration & braking.

[@minhster714]

thank you for also showing the weight in lbs!

[@woofhound]

I cut sidewalls on 2 tyres in a mud hole crossing, ever since then I always carry two spares.

[@MrRomperxx]

Get rid of the leaf springs, go for a coil spring GVM upgrade, carry what you want and have a far better ride.

[@4xoverland]

Not a bad idea but too expensive.

[@swidahooverlanding2867]

Thanks for the video. One thing you forgot to mention is that GVW is not only vehicle specific, but also per axle. You could be under vehicle GVW, but over axle GVW. For instance my '77 Jeep Cherokee GVW is 6025lbs. The front axle GVW is 3500lbs and the rear GVW is 3200. As you can tell there is a 675lbs difference, in theory, between what the combined GVW of the axles are and the actual GVW of the vehicle. I am sure this is to allow for some weight distribution between the axles. I changed from the stock 31" tires to 33" tires. I also changed from the factory style steel wheels and went with aluminum wheels. The added weight of the tires was nearly cancelled out by the addition of the aluminum wheels. I gain only 8lbs. per wheel, 40lbs total with spare. Thanks, again for a great video.... George.

[@takiman1]

Great video and great advice Andy! However, if you just threw out the coca-cola you would easily had saved around 200kg.

[@outbackwabloke]

Not necessarily true Tak1. I lived on coke all my life until I had to give it up 3 years ago due to a health issue. I weighed 75kg then but since giving it up I now weigh 90kg....

[@prepperjonpnw6482]

Roodog probably has more to do with the health issue more than anything lol That’s what happened to me lol The meds/Rx’s had a known side effect of causing weight gain in some people

[@nnoddy8161]

Just looking at that vehicle you could tell it was over GVM (bar work everywhere, fuel, water, shower, awning, rooftop tent). Then you went and added a double wheel carrier, rear bumper, ladder - it was no wonder you were over your GVM. Ditch the rear bar/carrier, run the 235/85s and just carrier a spare tyre (no wheel) in addition to your standard spare (tyre and wheel). You will be under your GVM comfortably and will be able to carry more Coka Cola!!. But you will need to carrier some wheel braces/bead breaker and be able to use them.

[@traviceo1075]

Andrew, if you paint the Toyota Alloys black, they come out really nice. A friend of mine did it on same alloys his 79 Dual Cab and looks the business now.

[@4xoverland]

I friend of mine did it too. I prefer the silver with the green.

[@truckerrickakamanowar]

@@4xoverland I agree everybody has black wheels now, has become played out. The alloys look nice and your cruiser looks great.

[@petermirabell891]

I have GVM upgrade on my 79 dual cab and did it before rego. The ride is good, not horrible at all as you said. My tyres are 265/75 R16 and never go bigger because there is no need.

[@4xoverland]

I put the GVM upgrade springs in my 78 for a trial, and the ride was horrible. But then again, I've driven some cruisers where the owners thought the ride was good, and I though it was bad. So I all guess its down to personal taste.

[@razbarb]

Great video Andrew, thanks. I took your advice on tyres from an earlier video and fitted 255/85/16 to my standard gxl alloys. At the time I felt I was taking a risk, however I’m happy I did. I noticed the cruiser’s road holding on asphalt suffered a little, but not enough to be concerning. Off-road I think they’re fantastic. Every bit of sidewall helps.

[@craigice9635]

Perfect size for that rim and vehicle.

[@panibe00]

Thought about converting the two lead crystal batteries to lithium in the future ?

[@rlhydn3438]

Great video. Compromise of aesthetics for weight, no brainer. Especially if you don’t need 8” rims. That saving means more food, camera gear, whatever will keep you travelling. My 255/85 Toyo MT means a total of 38.4kg x6 ....230.4kg all up

[@ausoff-road7795]

Good choice. I have the same problem when deciding if the jump from 265/75r16 to 285/75r16 is worth the added weight and fuel for half inch more diff clearance.

[@leeroys207]

I think the Toyota Rims you've gone for actually looks better than the black alloys

[@TheArhiArhus]

There is one more important thing! Where is the weight on the wheels, closer to the center or on the outside of the wheel. With the same weight of the wheel, a wheel with a heavier rim and a lighter tire will save more fuel and accelerate faster. Because the weight is differently distributed along the lever of rotation, the closer to the center, the less torque is needed to rotate the lever. That is why wheels with a large tread will not save fuel.

[@Lordoftheflatbush]

I just downgraded from 35 inch Falken MT’s to 32 inch pizza cutters just for that reason. Saved 75kg ! Less fuel consumption, less wear, better traction, faster acceleration etc never regretted

[@NihadH]

One other significant factor, which many are not aware of, is tyre's weight carrying ability (load index). Overland-equipped vehicles should in general case use tyres for heavy loads (usually marked as C, LT, XL, RF or some other industry jargon denominator). The only certain way to recognize a heavy load tyre is to check its load rating index and compare it with a standard load rating for that particular tyre size. Unfortunately, such tyres are heavier than standard load tyres and they ride quite hard if the vehicle is not loaded up good.

[@robertstephens1599]

Love content like this. Keep it up!

[@anttiroppola4414]

Or put splits on and carry just some tubes and a spare tyre sans rim. Steel can also be persuaded back into shape with a hammer. I am thinking of putting new rims on purely to reduce unsprung weight and improve economy. The metric factory tyre on the cruiser is 6 ply and so presumably lighter than the 7.50 Dunlops . Great vid. Tks.

[@fouUili684]

Good advice, many people opt for the mud terrain tires because they look cool but are not constantly out in the bush like you are. I myself am going with a narrow light all terrain tire and wheels that weigh 23lbs, my vehicle is a 2014 Toyota Tundra

[@snakeinthegrass7630]

23lbs or Kg?

[@RadRidesByCru]

Good video. Weight adds up quick with rolling stock and when decisions need to be made losses in one area allow for gains in another. The results show where your priorities are. Build it how you like so you can drive it how you like.

[@achim489]

perfectly structured with an outstanding result: Less is more! More durability at many functional points on the vehicle makes you pass big footed and saves money you can spend on the next awesome trip! 10 out of 10!

[@rjl110919581]

THANK YOU FOR OTHER DETAIL VIDEO ALL WEIGHT ON ARE 4X4 WHICH CAN BE BIG PROBLEM FOR TRAVELING ROUND AUSTRALIA

[@philg2468]

Some more weights for you. I have a new Troopie arriving next month so weigh everything I have bought. The original 6" steel wheels and Bridgestone 225/95R16 tyres weigh 30kgs each. This is 6kgs less than the 750R16 on split rims (36kgs).

[@Wayno77666]

Camper trailer solves everything. Kitting out a 44 seat Scania bus to suit my needs for touring. Found most places worth visiting have decent roads to them.

[@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen]

Hmm, I can see the logic if the spare wheels are the ones to bring the weight down but I would have thought the ones on the road aren't adding to the weight on the suspension, axles etc. I shudder to think what sort of weight we used to carry our old 60 series. We were living on the road and were also towing a 21 foot caravan so we had an absolute heap of gear. Mind you the spring upgrade we did made it ride like it didn't have springs...

[@willywantoknow2563]

Oddly enough I don't find this topic dry. Sometimes important statistics are in the small details. Like always, you delivered it well👍

[@Equiluxe1]

Carry one spare wheel and one spare tyre and a couple of tyre levers. Fit carbon fibre brakes, use a lithium battery to run the fridge etc.

[@larjkok1184]

That’s why I always inflate my tyres with helium 😎

[@KareemAbawi]

seriously?or is it a joke? I've never knew that helium is used in tires inflation... It seems like a great idea though,

[@march.4809]

I would not recommend filling tires with helium. The truck would be super lightweight which is awesome. But what happens when you deploy your awning and you get hit with a gust of wind?

[@BenzinioB]

I personally would do both - left 1 of the spares and change the rest of the wheels as well. That results at whooping 100-120 kg weight loose. I can save money on fuel, I can save weight on fuel caring few litter less as the consumption goes down not to mention what differences 120 kg put on the on and off road performance of the vehicle.

[@tomtrottier8135]

Since tires & rims are not resting on the springs & shocks, why should they affect GVW?

[@gaj5701]

The same way you wouldn't attend a diet class weigh-in wearing lead dive boots. Any vehicle weight with a 'G' in front of it refers to Gross weights & is therefore measured at the contact points with ground hence GVM is affected by everything fitted, much like the lead dive boots analogy 👍

[@lachieduffy4093]

Woth your spare tyres let out as much air as possible and just pump one up on the side of road when you need it

[@twhaz2001]

In the USA. I see HUGE tires and rims on 4X4's. Yes they look nice. Andrew has proven Skinny is overall a better way to go. I have a 2.5 inch lift on my 4X4 and the stock Rubicon tire and rim. It looks nice not as cool as the bigger tires. But I do not have issues with bearings, rubbing, axles, brakes, acceleration, mileage, $$$$$, etc.

[@rockymountboy]

I didn't think unsprung weight was such an issue. Thank you for discussing that part of the equation.

[@billroach2393]

If you think you need two spares.....why not THREE....or FOUR??? You could just as easily have two tyre failures and still be in the same predicament. The bottom line is that there are so so many things that "MIGHT" go wrong on a trip; it is impossible to cater for all of them. I bought a 2012 Chev Silverado (pre-loved) in 2015. The original owner had spent a kings ransom adding so much STUFF to it. When I got it back here to SA (from Queensland) I thought I'd better see what it weighs. Its GVM was 4490kg and the weighbridge showed 4650kg.... EMPTY!!!! I managed to identify around 400kg of STUFF I didn't really need (including the second spare tyre and the two wheel carriers (the remaining spare now lives inside the cavernous canopy). Ol' mate had 3x 100ah AGMs, a 2000 watt inverter, some VERY heavy drawers, TWO fridge slides with cages and a 15,000lb winch. I've also done a GVM upgrade to 5,171kg meaning I cannot have any alcohol in my system (not an issue these days anyway). All in all it was an interesting exercise getting it all legal to tow my 3500kg caravan.

[@mazevx2451]

Great video, that's a thing that is overlooked and underestimated to often

[@philg2468]

It is a compromise between weight and strength. The 16x8 ROH alloy is a very strong wheel rated at 1500kgs - suitable for GVM upgrades. The steel aftermarket wheel of similar weight is nowhere near as strong. If you want a strong 16x8 steel wheel, the factory 105series steel wheels weigh 17.5kgs - that is 4kgs more than the aftermarket steel rim and I'd suggest is much better engineered. With tyres, your 235/85R16 BFGs weighed 22.4kg, while the original factory Bridgestones in 225/95R16 weigh approx 18kgs per tyre. I'm sticking with the Bridgestone - will see how they go on my Troopie

[@greym6436]

I'm a big fan of the 15" steelies...Thats what I use. (Simple) I believe OEM Wheels are superior to most aftermarket wheels also. 👉🏽But as we know, most people simply always want something different which then changes the math from what fhe engineers / mfg's intended!

[@craki06]

People assume that exhaust gas recirculation systems don’t save fuel because you can block it and it uses the same fuel, but don’t realise that the engine isn’t running to optimal conditions because it has been tuned to have that exhaust gas there

[@GTGallop]

Would love to see a whole show on the effects of sprung vs unsprung weight. What does 30 pounds (13.67k) do on a wheel, on an axle, on the floor board, on the roof to performance.

[@splashmaster2000]

What do those side brush bars weigh? I would not deem them necessary for protection unless you tend to go on very tight tracks with rocks either side. They don't stop roos or cows from damaging your bodywork either. I'd consider taking them off.

[@shalininaicker]

Love your content as always Andrew.

[@atvadventure6872]

I would go for 1 full spare plus 1 spare tyre only, no rim. Then some tools to replace the tyre on the rim.

[@simon762321]

he did that on canning stock, it is an option but you only really save 10kg of the rim and then where do you put the tyre? Plus good luck getting a tyre off and on with just a set of tyre irons.

[@MiniLuv-1984]

I wonder how much the wrap weighs? Wonder if you really need all of the rock crawling bar work on the sides? Every kilo matters Andrew, not just for being legal, but the wear on the vehicle including tyres, suspension, brakes, bushes, diffs, gearbox and transfer case and don't forget that additional stress from extra weight increases the chance of catastrophic failure. Then there is fuel savings....the benefits are endless. Every kilogram matters, and when the purpose is reliability and capability "how it looks" is hardly a good reason to risk these very things you want the vehicle to achieve.

[@dme6991]

Benny Banger don’t be an old woman go back and drive your Camry

[@MiniLuv-1984]

@@dme6991 You reckon I'm wrong dme, or are you just a troll? If you think I'm wrong, let us know why you think so.

[@Bugoutvehiclesuk]

I was guilty of always chucking 35s on my vehicles but now I get it. It turns out all the old guys were right. Iv compromised at 265/75/16 on a campervan.

[@blueelectricfusion]

to shed some weight a good patch kit and some tubes would shed some serious weight ;)

[@jamiegreenwood7996]

Andrew you might pick up extra 40 kilos of mud go over gvm on those muddy tracks....in bogs

[@SimonElenor]

I prefer my steel wheels. Bend them and you get a hammer out. Try that with Alloys. I carry 5 wheels and tyres and a tyre with some tyre irons. I have never had to use the tyre thankfully. I have been overlanding for 26 years. Not as long as you but it has worked well.

[@honorharrington4546]

And how much is the sledgehammer and torch set going to weigh? If you think that just a small hammer is going to straighten a bent wheel, please go to the junk yard and get a wheel with a bent bead seat. Try to straighten it! Use everything that you would have on the trail with you and TRY! If the bead seat of the rim is bent to the point that a tire will not hold air you will need to heat the rim red hot there to anneal the rim enough to work it back round. Even a sledgehammer alone will not succeed. Also, if you bolt the rim to the truck to hold it while you hammer on it use the spare mount not the axle, you will damage the wheel bearings otherwise.

[@rodburger7827]

Unsrung weight is something that is lost in the bigger is better thinking that so often goes with off roading vehicles. One of the easiest ways to not break drive train parts is not to over stress them with to large a set of wheels and tyres. Have you considered the JMAX rear coil conversion for the best ride available.

[@defendermodsandtravels]

I use air helper springs at the rear. One adjusts the pressure to suit the load carried. They are a good solution and, incidentally, they weigh very little.

[@saphserg5221]

Now also take out internal weight, the draws inside would be a fair amount of kg in metals not needed take out excess internal items you dont need but want, lets use one of those coffee makers one i found is 2.5kg and holds 700ml of water thats 3.2kg of extra for coffee when you can take that and turn it into 1 2 liter bottle of water backup and a cup of instant coffee. every one ive camped with of late has this need of luxury items like a full onboard shower system with tankless hot water when they could get a pop up tent, in engine heat exchanger, mixer valve, jerry of water and do up a cheaper system and save tons of weight. i guess this is small car person talking but theres 0 need for all the extra weight in systems that are used less then a few times a year for those not full time touring.

[@jimcanfield5494]

Ha! ...I know where those OEM wheels came from! Just powder coat them black and you are good to go. Great "practical" video. Thanks Andrew!

[@Mojomo777]

Good on you Andrew, you think ahead for the environment and for our kids in future. Hope others follow your example.

[@paulbyrne4214]

What about the weight of air in the tyres..remembering the bar or psi is higher than sea level and therefore has added weight. Eg 32PSIx volume in tyre x6....

[@davidwoods80]

Buddy system: when travelling with another vehicle of the same make, try and carry 3 spares between you rather than 4; share other items rather than run both at max gross.

[@stkmkt1]

Thanks Andrew. Something to consider.

[@robert9473]

Use air bag suspention

[@KareemAbawi]

I love the way it looked with the OEM wheels... but not a big fan of the 235 tires :-/

[@InMused]

Scary to think how much unsprung weight some a carrying who slam 35" tyres on unnecessarily.

[@Jason-cl8hk]

You’re totally correct. I’m guilty as charged because I’m a tart and like the look on my Defender. I also run a Golf R on 18” rims which doesn’t look as good as the 19s but the unsprung weight makes a difference. Luckily, GVM isn’t much of an issue in the UK.

[@vytas5584]

I still don’t know, I want my 80 series to be more efficient and perform better, but is it worth getting some alloy rims? Dunno.

[@4wdadventureoz]

You could always get your rims powdercoated black now that you settled on them, that is if you don't like the silver look.

[@MikeJones-vt9fu]

Interesting video thankyou Andrew👍

[@garytrautman5404]

Back in the day, we called those skinny, aggressive tires "Grave Diggers" - of course, this was before tubeless tires and airing down would simply destroy them. Ya, I'm about your age... anyway, great video (again, still, as usual) and that's the best place to start trimming the kilos. Have you gone too far? 235/85's have 9.3" section width. What does that leave for tread width? 7.5"? I expect you're going to be raising many eyebrows in the near future. Cheers!

[@garytrautman5404]

Ha! Just realized you said you'd already used these tires on the Troopy before!

[@twistingterrain7748]

I am a huge advocate for less weight around the tires. I prefer tall skinny tires unlike many others who run these giant wide tires.

[@motogun1040]

I love this guy! Thanks for the info

[@brenjud]

After observing some of your old videos I think you could help your weight issue and shed a few kilos as well. Lol I have the same problem as well.

[@sebastian2357]

I would rather say that you are overloading the vehicle because you carry too much equipment. You have batteries, dual tanks, several gas stoves etc. Spares of a spares of a spares. It is just too much, if you take under consideration to throw up some things that you don't really need it would save a LOT of weight. I always do research before I put something into my car "do I really need it" ? Not because it is expensive (it counts too but not the major reason) but because it add a weight to my car. Sometimes you spending money to save the weight but sometimes you can save the money and weight by just not buying things ;)

[@hanisulaiman910]

love your videos mate

[@renedeboer7348]

was thinking do the same thing not for weight ,, to go from 265 R65 17 ,, to go to 255 r70 17 ,, it is for me to juse less diesel ,, to get a better economic diesel juse,, thnx Andrew for shareing good one

[@arefeshghi]

Informative video! :) However, I think in some parts you used footage from earlier videos which made the video a little bit confusing (e.g. rims @ 6:57). Of course, the overall message was very clear.

[@garthhayward9581]

Would be great to know what the effect on fuel consumption is with the change in weight and tyre size.

[@benw2751]

Great vid. Not dry

[@alfredstaude3955]

Thank`s for this Video - that`s exact the info`s that i need to argument about my Buddies why i have small Tires...

[@mitchelllind478]

Gday Andrew, ive watched all your vids and am a keen follower. Im looking for the vid where you change your wheels n the troopy from standard steelies over to the alloys. Im going to jump into a troopy b4 to long and want to follow your lead, cheers mitch

[@chaiwad21]

Tyres talk I saw you and on Tonkin hwy. Plus just ride along for a k before off ramp.

[@iray3242]

A sad reality of fitting larger tires in the pursuit of more ground clearance is the degradation every other performance characteristic. It also changes the geometry of many components placing them outside the engineered specs thereby reducing reliability. Basically when we in the 4WD community do these mods we are assuming that we are smarter than an engineer, so to must we assume the associated risks of such hubris.

[@mattimeo18]

The heavier rims do presumably keep the COG a bit lower? So it has moved marginally higher now?

[@auladepiano]

I'm running 8x16 Mickey Thompson Rims (1968413) 21lbs/9.5kg and Toyo Open Country 255/85/16 61lbs/27.6kg = 37.1kg x5 = 185.5kg. This is 70kg less then you. (Running with 2 spare tires is a nonsense to me)

[@DeepOwl1073]

I'm looking at 255/85/16 for my Nissan Frontier. They don't make the KO2 in 255 and I'm not sure I want KM3s because of my driving needs. Ahh... decisions, decisions

[@TroopyLife]

Powder coat or paint the Toyota alloys black and they won't stand out as much.

[@TheCandyman351]

Andrew what about axle weight how much over each one are they within the factory spec ? We have to do this at work ,it will open your eyes .

[@raginroadrunner]

The problem we have is that the 35" tires only go down to 11" wide. A 10" wide 35" tire does not exist. And aluminum wheels are very expensive. Alloy is probably even worse.

[@anfaal_raftel]

5:15 thanks for this

[@patrickjohnson721]

I'm just watching this to build my own gym 😂😂