What Does Each Faction Think Of The NCR?

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

I played Fallouts 1 and 2 for the first time this year and they really improved my appreciation for the NCR even more despite them already being my favorite faction. It's one thing to know the lore but it's another to play through it and experience it. Where like in Fallout 2 the wasteland of Northern California, Southern Oregon, and Northwest Nevada felt even more chaotic than in Fallout 1. Slavery is rampant, lots of people are addicted to jet, there is more widespread bigotry towards ghouls and mutants, mobsters rage war everywhere, and of course the Enclave is snooping around. It feels like a breathe of fresh air when you reach the friendly orderly town of NCR where the Rangers are abolitionists and Presidential Tandi genuinely wants to save the people of the wasteland

[@W0KeIzEvil]

AMAZON killed them off lol

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

​@@W0KeIzEvil they're still around. It was just Shady Sands that was destroyed but there are most likely other areas that the NCR retreated back to. Todd said in an interview that the faction as a whole wasn't gone

[@morbidzombii]

Tandi’s NCR and Kimball’s NCR have different motives actually. Tandi wanted to save the people of the wasteland and return to old, Kimball wants to expand so that he can fill his pockets.

[@butidontwannahandle]

The show saw how Fo2 slightly moved Shady Sands' location and decided to just go ahead and move it to the other side of the state. Then nuked it. (By some middle manager whose wife left him and took the kids.) Reset the civilizational clock to tetanus towns and radiation holes... but the people who complain about it are the ones afraid of meaningful change 😞

[@hermos3602]

And people forget that you have the option to nuke The Long 15 in New Vegas. Also, Chris Avellone wanted to nuke the NCR.

[@zpex8697]

I do love how the show turned Fallout from a Post Post-Apocalyptic Wasteland where Civilization is rebuilding and slowly begins to emulate the Old World. All the way back to Fallout 1 with tribes and anarchy, Bravo Todd Howard! I'm inspired yet again to buy Skyrim for the 8th time.

[@johnclay2716]

@@zpex8697 This is literally what Obsidian wanted for Fallout NV The canon ending for FONV is the tunnelers and Sierra madre cloud wiping everything out after the NCR and Legion are nuked But keep seething at Bethesda

[@AngloLives]

@@johnclay2716 There is no canon ending for new vegas. Only the show has the power to establish it. And its clearly not what you said.

[@CyberController-]

"War never changes, so men must change" The NCR refused to change, instead emulating the past, and so they failed.

[@Arcadia_warlic]

Find it interesting Caesar despite his hatred has respect for the NCR insofar that he thinks the union betwixt it and his own Legion shall result in that which is greater still.

[@EnclaveSOC-102]

Caeser has respect for the NCR because he knows not to underestimate them since their numerical and technological would allow them push back and overwhelm Caeser's Legion even if they weren't spreading their troops and resources so thinly due to incompetence.

[@Arcadia_warlic]

@@EnclaveSOC-102 Well said.

[@bobafett9348]

You are forgetting that Caesar is the former citizien of the NCR who hates the NCR because of what it has become. The Legion serves as nothing else than means for Caesar to take the reins of the civilization that NCR is and set it back on, as he envisions it the right track, wiping out the corruption and ending the failed democracy, instituting his own benelovent dictatorship, where his legion would transform from marauding army to essentially new NCR army.

[@GoNo117]

Enclave: Nerds BOS: Nerds Legion: Beta Nerds Khans: Nerds Mr House: Customers

[@dannyhernandez265]

This is why the house always wins.

[@dragontroll996]

I have never been such a fan of a channel I literally click on every video the second I see a new one

[@johnreydelatorre3450]

Someone remind me why the NCR refuses to expand north? South and east seems too dry.

[@Pakotugudugudugudugudugudugu]

If they go northern theyll reach canada and idk moutains and canadian weather

[@Cesar_233]

North of NCR has Seattle/Washington Brotherhood, and they are practically raiders from how brutal they are

[@CharlesMotosierra]

There are non-canon answers to that. Aside from mods and other fan made content, we have a non-canon answer from before the bethesda aquisition. Fallout Extreme is a canceled rts game that would've been set patrialy in the pacific northwest. Basicaly, post war Seattle became a rainforest (beacuse wacky radiation science) while the rest of the region became sort of like feudal europe, with the most powerfull "kingdom" being the highly aggressive Issaquah nation. Now, realisticaly, the NCR could beat them, but as of New Vegas their forces are focused on securing the Hoover Dam, which is an abundant source of water and electricity very close their central locations like Shady Sands, The Hub and the Boneyard. If the NCR wins in New Vegas (and we assume that the Fallout show only happens in a timeline with another ending), they'll likely annex Oregon, Washington and even British Columbia within a couple decades.

[@Fusseliko]

@@CharlesMotosierra If the show wants Mr. House to be alive and powerful enough to do anything, which is likely, his ending is probably the ending they'll go with. Of course it still wouldn't quite work out the way he intended, considering what happened to Shady Sands. The NCRs current state would have thrown a wrench in his plans to make New Vegas the high-industry epicenter of the west as he wanted.

[@Genrevideos]

True but when you have an infrastructure oasis like the New Vegas Strip, why pass that up?

[@Katiethekitten]

31 minutes ago?? I smell a fresh upload!! Good morning!

[@funrun07haan50]

NCR AND PROUD!!!!

[@ringthatbell9597]

3:17 god I hate the fact that Bethesda made this cannon, don’t even want to finish the video now 😮‍💨

[@sonyerikson]

I thought just the same thing lol

[@Gutvald]

Yeah this is a spit on Obsidian work in NVegas, and a great downgrade in Fallout settings.

[@Umbra_Ursus]

On the bright side, the BOS having the Prydwen means the Institute is currently a crater, so that's one giant point for the show. I think that means the scoreboard is something like 1 vs. -100?

[@chrisriverata1917]

​​​@@Umbra_UrsusShame I actually think the Institute could fit the show better then a lot of other factions. Quick rant, they should've made the show taken place on the East Coast instead of the West for fucks sakes the factions there are smaller and you wouldn't have to deal with re-writing the plot lines a majority of the fans like. Getting rid of the sole survivor? Who cares as someone who plays Fallout 4 we mod the fucker out to begin with. Want to turn the Minutemen into a Dictatorship/Republic/Commune? Go ahead their established lore makes them a mess politically. God you could expand on the lore of Fallout 76 however you want and 80% of the fans wouldn't be able to tell what changed. If the show took place on the East Coast, we would be living in a good world.

[@memeconsumer773]

One head of the bear is dead, the other lives on

[@blackmesacake5361]

I do wonder if the NCR will ever reach further into the east coast, i would assume no but id like to see them get a little further into the center.

[@W0KeIzEvil]

U watch the show? They're destroyed

[@blackmesacake5361]

@W0KeIzEvil they're not actually gone only the Capitol, check out the vid Todd Howard did about the NCR shortly after the show finished

[@Housefreaky12]

Tbh i think the NCR would start to send squads east and maybe set a treaty with the minutemen

[@blackmesacake5361]

@@Housefreaky12 yea assuming the Minutemen are a major player by the end of canon 4, completely agreed.

[@inductivegrunt94]

It'd be nice if the Brotherhood and NCR stayed allies. They could have done so much in both military and technological and societal advancement. But old habits die hard, even so long after the bombs dropped.

[@WoodenChurch_041]

Naw, not no more. If ima go with what that dang show done to the NCR, nah no mercy if there are still NCR forces around. Its time for the BOS to pah todaaaah! I laugh really dang hard if the Legion can beat the BOS in that show if they are still even a thing (i mean they actually can, they legit wiped the floor of the BOS in their territories somehow).

[@kashootermane8897]

​@@WoodenChurch_041 I always assumed it was an attrionial battle with the bos in legion territory and how those chapters got wiped. Sure they can dominate with their power armor but cut them off from water and food with number superiority and the ability to refill those numbers and well it doesn't look good for bos. But post f4 BoS could dominate the regions tho with their wastelander conscription and air superiority.

[@WoodenChurch_041]

@@kashootermane8897 its nuts how much recon or whatever one calls it the BOS gets through, one moment they are sore losers then out of nowhere they somehow traveled far away from better factions then them and get stronk. It kinda can make sense with ethe enclave because they are the old american government, with their numbers to some degree and tech available to them. Also yeh to beat the BOS its guerrilla warefare and terrify them and do as much damage to their access to resources then keep sniping them and limit them more to the point they are forced to use squires to barely keep their numbers up. The BOS weakness is just not recruiting american citizens like how NCR and legion does it. The BOS are a bit glorified scavengers in truth and their weakness is surprisingly their isolationism. Its why the show version from clips I see, surprised the BOS had a one up on NCR while Caesar's Legion didn't just start flooding California in great mass at that point, also raiders and ambitious former NCR generals to become warlords.

[@topcat59]

Honestly Papa Kain was right not to trust the NCR, since it’s clear that the faction did not have their best interest at heart and them honoring their deals is 20/80.🐱

[@W0KeIzEvil]

Kinda like Europeans & native Americans & Roman's & Celts

[@butidontwannahandle]

To be fair, the Khans have spent their entire existence as a faction trying to destroy the NCR - all the way back to when it was just Shady Sands.

[@WoodenChurch_041]

@@butidontwannahandle Exactly, personally I feel what I did to the Great Khans and got the NCR putting them in reservations is pretty justified what a small group of them and Benny did to us. Karma sure hits hard I must say heh. Also yeh as you said, the Great Khans basically are a thorn in NCR's side for real.

[@Tempus0ptic]

Every established faction is a satire on Human nature itself. Most of them having noble intentions but highly questionable ways of achieving their goals is the perfect nutshell summarization.

[@Dalocklear73]

You make great content bro!

[@funrun07haan50]

The NCR aint gone just Shady Sands whe have more citys

[@TheWarlock97]

I refuse to accept the live action as Canon

[@DippKlippGuy]

And the Shady Sand's that got erased was probably just Adytum with a different name. Kellogg seemed to have been from an urban ruin, likely the Boneyard, not a rural settlement, and the radio broadcast mentions the closest settlement relevant is a Shady Sands. It's not to hard imagine that the caravan houses of the Hub, traders and scavengers of Junktown, and Aradesh of the village now known as N.C.R/New California Republic, orchestrated a relatively bloodless takeover (a Vault Dweller had already depopulated Adytum of it's professional gang of lawmen for hire). What if that Public Library wasn't just a random public library, but the Follower's Library seized through eminent domain

[@treysonbates6110]

@@TheWarlock97why? Because it hurt you head cannon 😢 so sad that you can’t enjoy a great peace of media.

[@TheWarlock97]

@@treysonbates6110 how in the heck can you call this a good series? Between making things up that have had no part in the IP at all (ghoul potions), or actively terrible cinematography (the observatory massacre) there is almost nothing saving the series if you actually care about more than just fallout three and four.

[@treysonbates6110]

@@TheWarlock97 my brother in Christ that’s called storytelling. Also so what fixer and med-x didn’t exist until the game they came out in. Seriously you are just a cry baby who can’t enjoy new thing. Also your just wrong when it comes to cinematography.

[@ian7064]

Wait, so does the NCR actually get wiped out entirely by the BoS in the fallout show? If so, I'm glad I didn't watch Todd's little BoS hard-on power fantasy

[@gavinisdie]

It was one temnant group, so probably not, i just hope we get something in season 2 that confirms the NCR is still around

[@forsaken_king27]

-It was the East Coast BoS backing up the West Coast because, by this point in the timeline, they were far more powerful than their West Coast Capts. -Even during the events of NV, the NCR was already on its way out. It was spread thin, rampant with corruption, and acting within its own interests at the expense of its own people. It was essentially a repeat of the Pre-War US Government. -It's unlikely the NCR, despite its collapse and loss of Shady Sands, was totally wiped out. More then likely there's pockets and remnants surviving elsewhere in the wasteland, still bearing the NCR flag. -Please refrain from dismissing half of the Fallout series due to frustrations with Bethesda and give the TV series a chance, it's not as bad as Twitter and Reddit say it is.

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

​@gavinisdie Todd said in an interview that the NCR was wide spread enough, that the destruction of Shady Sands wouldn't have meant the nation as a whole was gone. And we'd be seeing them in the future.

[@W0KeIzEvil]

Vault Tec destroyed them, not the Brotherhood. You clearly didn't watch it

[@gorkaaustin5306]

@@W0KeIzEvileven dumber

[@andreykuzmin4317]

We won't go quietly... the Vault-Tec can count on that!

[@dylanthomas385]

For a stranged definition of best

[@kagekun1198]

The best, accurate assessment of NCR comes not from a faction, but from a person: Rose of Sharon Cassidy. Her full dialogue tree reveals deep, thoughtful insight about the delicate state of the Mojave, a no-bullshit report of the major factions, and especially, the NCR and its problems. Cass's conclusion that NCR is a screw-up brother that messes things up, yet you stay with him and be there for him because he is family and that is what families do is everything I agree with about a country you are born in. Her comments that the NCR needs a good kick in the head (the leaders), and not the arms and feet (the soldiers) in order to shape up and become a force for good in the wasteland once again are spot-on.

[@EnclaveSOC-102]

I'm still a bit upset that Bethesda had the NCR suffer great losses, namely the destruction of Shady Sands, to the BoS some time before the events of the Fallout TV show. Although we did get some confirmation from Todd that while the NCR is battered, they're not fully beaten...yet. We just have to wait and see what's in store for the next season of the Fallout show.

[@sonofccn]

I mean, something similar happened to the BoS in New Vegas. East coast was wiped out/hiding from the NCR leaving only the fragmented west coast brotherhood. But as long as a faction makes money, they'll never truly die.

[@treysonbates6110]

Ummm it was vault tec specifically vault 31 who nuked shady sands. The brother hood of steel is just fighting the ncr over technology (cold fusion)

[@treysonbates6110]

Yeah the destruction of shady sans wasn’t a brotherhood victory they didn’t cause it

[@WoodenChurch_041]

I bet ya hard somehow those weirdos that are main characters in the show will somehow and for no reason btfo the NCR despite them now being the literal good guys at this rate, like sheesh the streamer I used to watch was right. The NCR and the Legion for that matter is better then the BOS, fugg the BOS now if ya ask me. They are nothing but criminals and will get what comin either crucifixion or worse for what they done. Jesus that show (clips and what I heard what happened to the NCR, all that work were destroyed by evil bastards that are the BOS) made me feel like that dang old Ulysses, getting a bit upset about the NCR's demise

[@johnreydelatorre3450]

As usual, everyone wants to save the world

[@dylanthomas385]

Do hierarchy of the enclave the masters army and the west coust brother hood from tactics

[@Bannaaannnaabread]

If the Nevada rangers count as there own faction, they must see the NCR as gods

[@zarafex-0923]

In the case of the NCR they suffer from more or less the same issues as the pre war government and in the long run may suffer the same fate, however may actually be the best for the wasteland. Brotherhood is very much dependent on who is in charge as to if they will be an issue or not. Legion can go eat a nuke. Institute are sheltered kids with a god complex. Enclave is an issue but hopefully can become something good in time. But should still be regarded as dangerous. Railroad Narrow minded and not fit to lead a nation. Minutemen a bit too much like lyans brotherhood of steel.

[@treysonbates6110]

Not even close. They are suffering from are real world government the prewar government was entirely different then are government.

[@Seventh_Bean]

The NCR is low-key the faction that embodies "Charisma 1, Speech 100"

[@Mossgiel]

Being yaboiii is suffering - eats up whatever slop Bethesda shits out. Imagine actually considering the events of the Fallout show alongside events from New Vegas.

[@RealBradMiller]

And yet you can't tell someone that your argument is better without sounding like a DB(not Dragonborn).

[@The-Red-Menace]

New Vegas events are canon ncr

[@The-Red-Menace]

@@RealBradMillerhuh ?

[@Pakotugudugudugudugudugudugu]

NCR AND PROUD!

[@W0KeIzEvil]

Lol, thank Amazon they're now a hole in the ground

[@treysonbates6110]

Man this comment section is full of cry babies. Great video though. Keep it up.

[@WoodenChurch_041]

Real talk ima just ignore the fallout show when it comes to the fate of the NCR. I may look down on em (not my favorite faction, but is my go to one besides the Legion at this rate. Man the NCR have a cool style real talk) but I be amazed how a rag tag group of techno fanatics like the BOS would actually beat a big state like that. Sure even if the NCR wasn't doing too greatly during fnv timeline. Its honestly depressing and I pray the BOS face their judgement, yeh das rite ima go Ulysses here and be a whine baby about it lol

[@user-bl7em8sx6o]

The enclave is legion minus the slavery

[@FredFredFive]

The arc the Show took I found to be very disappointing. Not because I am a New Vegas purist, but because the potential for the NCR to grow in power and explore the complexities of a overextended flawed democracy to be fascinating with so much scope. The Brotherhood defeating them I found to be boring and silly. I much preferred their situation as a failing shadow of themselves as it was both realistic and far more entertaining, and I am done with how much later cannon obsessed with the Brotherhood, just because they look cool.

[@treysonbates6110]

They won one battle against a ncr remnant, not even part of the actual government that still exists?

[@kikrinman1450]

I actually think the NCR in disrepair is pretty based, I just wish they executed it differently.

[@auraparty3335]

NCR = nocturnal cat realist

[@Anna2004-s4d]

Within the first 10 seconds of this video I knew I was i for something really stupid. look what happened to vault city for example haha

[@DevixianTheOriginal]

I got to the part where you mentioned the bos and the show, and honestly that killed it for me. Like, dont get me wrong the show isn't terrible, a lot of the character's and comedy are written really well, but then it's like 30% that and 70% what the fuck have you done to my baby Todd. The change to where vault tec drops the nukes makes literally and absolutely no sense when literally every pre existing reason including in fallout 4, the game the shows based on, points at China doing it. The power armor changes to the point its a tin iron man suit, and just the entire worldbuilding changed to the point they make Fallout 1 and 3 look like thriving metropolises...

[@treysonbates6110]

So you actually know nothing. Vault tec dropping the bombs was the third most popular theory behind china at number 2 and the enclave at number at number 1. There was a lot of evidence for all three from the original games to bible to everything in between. The only real confirmation came from one employee that had several employees disagreeing with him. There was no confirmed group that drop the bomb and theirs still isn’t. We just know vault tec is willing to drop the bombs. Also your baby could be nuked in fallout NV.

[@aWHMOII7O8OT7]

Enclave do it better than the NCR

[@dekuzilla91]

NCR fo Life!

[@W0KeIzEvil]

They're dead lol watch the show

[@dekuzilla91]

@@W0KeIzEvil I did and rangers never die

[@reese4077]

​@@dekuzilla91should've picked the right side

[@dekuzilla91]

@@reese4077 I did

[@reese4077]

@@dekuzilla91 a failed dead state

[@Arch_Dornan]

Algorithm comment

[@lyekokseng9938]

sheesh, 1 hour only, ig im the forth comment

[@THEREALAKUMU]

I know it's not your fault but I started cringing myself to death when you started to bring up the TV show. Why couldn't they set it somewhere other than the west coast? There's so much of the US left unexplored and they had to choose the place the fans love just to shit on.

[@treysonbates6110]

😢 poor little fan. Can’t enjoy something amazing because of the stick up his ass

[@cinnamonroll7788]

I see stuff about the fallout show, I leave

[@treysonbates6110]

😢

[@dannyhernandez265]

The show shouldn’t be considered canon

[@treysonbates6110]

Why not? Because it’s not what you wanted the story to go… 😢

[@dannyhernandez265]

@@treysonbates6110 because it completely negates established lore, and is terribly written. The plot is written where no consequences occur,

[@treysonbates6110]

@@dannyhernandez265 yeah your just factually wrong but hey you can cry in your corner

[@dannyhernandez265]

@@treysonbates6110 typical Bethesda fanboy. Always jumping into conclusions without critical thinking to form a basis of judgment. I’m not surprised.

[@treysonbates6110]

@@dannyhernandez265 😭😭😭 wha wha wha. Your really sad my guy. Also fallout NV is my favorite. You simply just can’t enjoy something that everyone loves. Seriously 17 emmys nominations beloved by fans and critics. But no it’s everyone else that’s wrong.

[@umadbroimatroll7918]

Mentioning that garbage of shady sands falling, instant dislike. Be like the star trek lore creators, just ignore the garbage.

[@treysonbates6110]

😢 to bad