So What Is Now Canon in Fallout?

[@kpgames7288]

I've always looked at fallout's lore as it's all canon to an extent, so things that might not be canon are more like myths and legends across the wasteland, so it could've happened or maybe not, it doesn't apply to every detail of the series, but I think it's a fun way to look at lore and speculate 😂

[@FlawlessWallace3350]

Yeah that would also make sense because think about how far apart some of these events are like fallout 1 to the TV show is good amount of times for the details to change

[@archdornan8349]

That works for told stories. Not so much for the events we experience in game though.

[@fatloser1780]

@@archdornan8349well events the player experiences are largely subjective so could still be held to myth and legend.

[@lanadelfag123]

it’s kinda like how valve has the many worlds theorem to describe half life and portal mods as existing in the cannon

[@jeremysiegel10]

Canon is important because it sets the ground rules for the universe which is essential to the suspension of disbelief and adds flavor to the story. Without a consistent or good canon, anything goes and the suspension of disbelief disappears. When everything is possible, nothing matters anymore and there are no stakes, no tension, no story. This is why people get so caught up in what is or is not canon. It is vital to the story, period. By not respecting established canon and making up whatever they (Bethesda) want they not only show creative inability to operate within bounds but it is also disrespect to the old stories that the core fanbase has come to love That is why proper canon is important

[@nicholasgutierrez9940]

This. Canon is the foundation of the universe and sets the rules. Otherwise something like Lord of the Rings could have some giga chad character that couldn't die, face Sauron directly and wreck him in single combat using the same power he has. Except that can't happen because Sauron is meant to be the giga chad, not that other character.

[@astillsmallvoice1815]

Yup

[@Invica7]

Especially when we said core fanbase, have already had our own playground of sector being the West Coast aka California and Nevada. That being said it also does shows the inability or rather creatively bankrupt the Showrunners and Writers have in the Tv Show, in relying on pure rehashed iconography and recognition in California once again instead having ample of opportunities set in either Texas or Seattle City as those 2 different settings would have different Post-Apocalypse geography let alone climate, yet why such thought doesn’t exist in Christopher Nolan’s mind you ask? Well the answer is simple, Bethesda and by the extension those in charge of creative direction in the Tv Show simply doesn’t understand Fallout at its core and misinterpret ‘War, war never changes’ both metaphorically and figuratively speaking especially when we’re already given plenty of Pre-War America state even before the Bombs fell had myriad of social and politically problems such as the Sino-American war isn’t just capitalism. In conclusion, there’s no reason whatsoever in having a successful Fallout Tv Show once again it boils down in creatively bankrupt by those who said lacks creative thinking, rather having new factions , new setting , new social climate in said region. Obsidian have already laid out their golden goose, in the form of New Vegas both in culture and said themes of conflict yet Bethesda never once tried to be inspired from New Vegas as a mere framework foundation. Like it or not people do want intriguing complex writing especially in Fallout nonetheless in an Post-Post apocalypse setting of human society rebuilding, in said new world however legacy of said old world still lingers be it symbolism or actual ghosts themselves. Such as Mr House for example a actual Pre-War immortal mogul yet his character in FNV, gives you a glimpse how things were before the Bombs dropped if not plenty of environmental stories seen in F3 , FNV and 4 touches on these in former residents or just workers about in various different locations by terminals or holotapess. Now obviously it may seem like a daunting task at first after all there’s a lot of lore in Fallout Universe, and no one can blame Christopher Nolan for that however what I would argue is that make a new lore than have said new region rather just cannibalise the West Coast in utter off-screen butcher the NCR just to make said message clear, especially Southern California once again returned back to said lawless wasteland even tho that’s far from actual in-universe reality since there’s factions such as FoTa , Gun Runners and Crimson Caravan so where are there? Once again creative bankrupt, erasing everything about F1 , F2 and FNV world building and lore that makes a canonical progressivism development of intrigue storytelling. The NCR represents everything I’ve mentioned sure the faction is emulating said Pre-War America ideals such as freedom and democracy, both its strengths and unsavoury weaknesses unfortunately however as Caesar himself said so the NCR prospers and flourish under President Tandi the very same you’ve rescued in Fallout 1 by the Vault Dweller essentially helped to co-found the NCR. In fallout 2 as time passed, you’ve seen Northern and Southern California has become civilised to some extent with various different communities hell San Francisco is ruled by the Shi Chinese descents originated from their ancestors Submarine Crewmen, on the coasts of California once again this makes sense considering Fallout 4 we had the Yangtze in said launching nukes. Therefore if fans like us are capable, of actually providing or rather suggesting a decent yet plausible way plot-lines for how the Fallout Tv Show could’ve succeed by its own merits and 2 legs to stand one without needlessly cannibalise the West Coast. What is Christopher Nolan’s excuse when he claims ‘You can’t please everyone…I meant we have to dumbed it all down just so the masses can enjoy’ this is a red flag it tells everything that these people are incapable of creative thinking. On how to adapt Fallout in a Tv Show, even though it doesn’t take great effort to know in merely exploring Seattle City where we’ll get our Nuclear Winter experience.

[@ncrranger2281]

F A C T S N U K E !

[@BrianAtlas-no8el]

People didn't know what cannon was before the show and you had factions... get a grip on reality.

[@TheFrogEnjoyer]

Definitely canon - Nate is The Rake

[@goldenrose223]

LMAOO

[@adamgonzalez9650]

Nate the rake, the butcher of Canada

[@DM-mi4je]

​@@adamgonzalez9650 The breaker of British Columbia

[@StoneAgeWarfare]

War is changing.

[@SavathunSussyImpostor]

Raking those leaves..

[@TheContrarian09]

Its very apparent they’re taking a “if its cool, add it or change it; and if its annoying or a hinderance, change it or ignore it,” approach. Makes the series more akin to indulging in junk food rather than a delicacy it use to be. Junk food’s not bad from time to time, but over consuming will eventually leave consumers hollow.

[@rickrossome8801]

Additionally, Vault 0’s location (Cheyenne mountain) was marked in the map of Vaults in the TV show. So theres another part of Tactics that seems to’ve risen up to canonicity

[@EvilParagon4]

I think the best way to view Tactics is that everything it says is canon unless something else makes a contradiction. Tactics is basically lowest tier canon rather than quantum canon, it can be overridden at any time but is canon until stated otherwise.

[@TheVoltDenatsu]

Imo fallout tactics is about as Canon as Dash Rendar

[@spookyengie735]

@@TheVoltDenatsu More accurate to say part of it can be canon but the entire game itself isn't

[@TheVoltDenatsu]

@@spookyengie735 Same with Shadows of the Empire, Disney literally could make this a series but Dash Rendar is G Canon in Star Wars. So fallout tactics is probably G Canon

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

@@EvilParagon4 I agree with this take I think People hating tactics is overhyped a lot of stuff came from tactics that was good rad roaches being one of them.

[@plutoniumrocks]

Anything Emil says on twitter I will disregard, most all of the things he says probably isn't proofread and is something from his headcannon he decided to try to shove in there without consulting anybody. Good example of this, Nate the Rake.

[@Hamdog74]

Doesn’t help that Emil is a pompous asshole about it and thinks people are too dumb for a complex story with choices. Him trying to shove absurd shit like that into cannon, despite its not represented in fallout 4 at all through the mc’s choices and actions is hilarious and really shows how much of a clown Emil is lol

[@plutoniumrocks]

@@Hamdog74 In one of his developer speeches he went off for like 10 minutes that players would "play with sticks" and build settlements instead of focus on the story. Apparently this changed the story design a bunch according to him.

[@Hamdog74]

@@plutoniumrocks that’s exactly what I mean 😅 That’s not the only time, he does it really all the time with everything, and it’s an attitude that seems to infect the entirety of Bethesda, just look recently at the whole “astronauts weren’t bored” stuff in response to the criticism to Starfield, it’s like as a studio the don’t care whatsoever about their audience and are extremely stubborn believing they always know best, when history shows they really don’t.

[@MultiSpeedMetal]

Nate the rake is the only thing from him I will take seriously and he can't take it back.

[@Stumme-40203]

But he is a war criminal.

[@wham_wamuu]

What's canon? Fallout 1, 2, 3, 4 (minus billy), and New Vegas. Simple as.

[@ElodieCunningham]

in regards to tactics, it had a card that directly references it in the MTG crossover. I know that doesn't necessarily make it 100% canon but it is definitely something to consider

[@victorc8855]

I really wish Bethesda would've kept their atrocious writing confined to the East Coast instead of going out of their way to fuck with the established settlements/society/trade routes of the west

[@Dogman262]

What if the canon was the friends we made along the way?

[@henrywilkins227]

Being friends with a broadsider is a life goal many would consider to be worthwhile

[@ChadOfAllChads]

That's the gayest shit I ever heard

[@dante001ish]

When a franchise has so many creative minds involved either through direct or sub-contracted means there will always be a chance of someone's different take on what is canon or a blip that gets missed be it through miscommunication or whatever...I mean the TV show has more producers than mini nukes you can find in the Mojave.

[@ramoraid]

The TV show is clearly meant to put a final ending to the Canon built by fallout 1,2 and new Vegas and have Bethesda be able to create a fallout 3,4 and 76 story in the west coast.

[@jonathanathor117]

It is weird though to have the fallout tv show be cannon to the games though. Personally it should have been its own thing in the same way the MCU is its own thing.

[@MajesticOneThree]

I reckon they won’t actually touch on the canon outcome of New Vegas judging by the end credits sequence of the final episode, something else happened after the game for the strip itself to become a war torn ruin, so the canon outcome may not even be relevant

[@Deadsea_1993]

Tunnelers maybe

[@Dogman262]

Yeah something happened, the courier happened

[@sneedmasterflsh]

Yeah can't wait for the brainiac writers to just pave shit over again

[@ramoraid]

Bethesda or someone dislikes new Vegas, so much of what made new Vegas and the lore of the west coast has been wiped out.

[@tam-tam7098]

@@ramoraid but don't both the lonesome road and the sierra madre pretty much confirm that the mojave is screwed either way? like either the tunnelers or the sierra madre fog is going to kill everybody and everything. it'd make less sense for the mojave to be thriving

[@stormtrooper4ut]

I think the Canon ending for new Vegas will be yes man but when he disappeared at the end it'll be Mr House's memory and personality taking control like a ghost in the machine

[@ALEXD4WN]

1:50 the cropping on maximus made me laugh so hard 💀

[@ALEXD4WN]

@mercx007 yea

[@skaterrabbit2005]

Amazing video, worth the 16 minutes

[@ye4thorn]

Broadsider is canon

[@dusarrupenn4899]

Bethesda does NOT care about lore of things they explicitly state or employ in earlier games, all they care about is wacky historonics that keep players interested in whatever's happening in their latest version of whatever they say is happening now in their games

[@jiffypoo5029]

Minutemen ending makes the most sense as canon for Fallout 4. Maxson completely abandoning the east coast makes no sense. Kells and Maxson both see the Minutemen ending as a BOS Victory. Prydwyn can leave because Minutemen are led by a BOS Paladin meaning BOS isn't giving up territory.

[@JGCO115]

Here's how i think Fallout could benefit in regards to Canon. 1: Have the old and newer games be set on different continuities, while at the same time using elements from the older games (characters, concepts etc) in the new ones without impacting said games's lore and continuity. 2: hire better writters who can come up with ways of introducing these elements into the games in a way that they fit the setting or make coherent sense. It all boils down to being respectful of the eatablished source material and writing/ creativity to make new stories without having to mess up established lore.

[@connorsmith1005]

There is no canon. Bethesda doesn't care about consistency or world building. They bought the IP, made one good game with it and now just treat it like a cash cow. Canon is whatever the writers say till they change their mind, forget or most likely couldn't be bothered actually learning the games history and lore.

[@grayearly3116]

Cannon doesnt matter if they dont bother following it. Why be "beholden to something written 20 years ago" am i right?

[@zacharysnyder2520]

What’s not cannon can easily be a in world legend. Like the horses at bitter springs. Could just be a legend from the khans

[@ONEisN0THING]

Loved the soviet union joke/point. As a Trotsyist its really satisfying to hear such historical and nuanced humour

[@ONEisN0THING]

@@sudmnt Well? What is it

[@santiagojara8056]

Zaric is right in this one, looking at a company to tell you what's camon is the complete antithesis of what these games are about. They're (meant to be) RPGs, the canon is what you make of it.

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

Fallout Tactics was said to be canon last month in the new TV timeline

[@Cesar_1216]

Tactics is canon, If the lead writer says it then it is true.

[@dutchpatriot17]

Nobody has said Tactics is canon tho.

[@alexandertiberius1098]

The Prydwen being in the show means the brotherhood were victorious in the commonwealth. Ships aren't named after other ships that have gone down.

[@juter1122]

Bethesda: nothing is true. Everything is permitted

[@parkouremaster]

Looking at show, i think New vegas will be independent canon or by default, taken by the bos, Bethesda tend to make the bos too op, look at how treated the settle side of California and all black isle products? shady sands blown to pieces, the NCR after being an army basically rogue soldiers while the bos in california were just like 3-4 bunkers are basically destroying the ncr, not surprised if they make the legion also got wiped out by the bos, bethesda just make canon whatever they feel like and what not, making all their stuff looks great while all stablished by black isle as non-existant.

[@gobbo1917]

This was the final straw for me, fallout 76 abysmal release, the fact that they sold out to microshaft, and now amazon? They SLOPified fallout already. Its dead mate. 😅

[@trevorwilliams6362]

You may think so, but the evidence shows the opposite, mate.

[@MatthewChenault]

Why do I suddenly have the idea of promoting a Creation Club project entire revolving around a Benjamin F. Butler cult?

[@lhdl3870]

Nothing till the new fallout thing. Bethesda broke the canon on every new fallout entry

[@ourflameisrising9785]

1, 2, New Vegas. Simple as.

[@ncrranger2281]

Canon: Fallout 1, 2, Tactics, NV Bethesda fanfiction series: 3, 4, 76, Fallout shitshow. Lore wise the series is completely retcons the original two game out and thus its incompatible with what the original creators made!

[@jonathaslopes8038]

How is Fallout Tacts non-canon? What the canon information about the Midwest Brotherhood, then?

[@alfiereimperiale7697]

Bethesda said that the game isn't canon, but that they reserve the right to make canon again selected elements of the story and worldbuilding of Tactics when they deem it useful.

[@jonathaslopes8038]

@@alfiereimperiale7697 What about the Mid West BoS?

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

​@jonathaslopes8038 as of now there is a Midwest Brotherhood chapter in existence but we don't know anything about them other than it exists

[@dutchpatriot17]

The game itself is not canon. However, parts of it have been made canon. These being: 1. A (rogue) Brotherhood chapter in Chicago. (As stated by Scribe Rothchild in FO3) 2. Said rogue chapter recruiting super mutants. (As stated in the FO3 game guide) 3. Said chapter having once had a fleet of airships, which are believed to be destroyed. (As stated by Kells in FO4)

[@fatloser1780]

The midwest chapter is most likely real but events like stopping the switchboard most likely never occurred

[@AJICM1776]

Everything that came before Fallout 4

[@Truman5555]

Incorrect. Bethesda just released a full Fallout Collection on a Mini Nuke and Tactics is in it!

[@laf1993]

If the deranged ramblings of an incompetent middle-aged "writer" on twitter are considered canon then anything might as well be.

[@Kinard007]

5:43 look like something out of 40k

[@erikthomsen4768]

Canon should enhance the story. Not detract from it. What the Fallout Show did was focus on the aftermath of Fallout: New Vegas and hamstrung their story by refusing to picking an ending. You could argue that they picked all of them. But that leaves nobody happy because they made them all meaningless with a nuclear weapon that in retrospect came out of left field. Imagine if the old games walked awkwardly around the survival of the Enclave President or the Master by refusing to say whether they wiped out humanity.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

That interview with Todd to my knowledge is old and there is another interview which is newer than that one that confirms that some elements of tactics are canon. influences of Tactics are also in all of the games rad roaches are the biggest things that came from tactics

[@B-zk9bt]

Dear Vault Boy! *You are no longer canon.*

[@GagGreene]

Fallout 1, 2, 3, NV and their various DLCs are all I consider canon (Mothership Zeta less so, its more like Undead Nightmare for Red Dead where its a fun what if). The TV show muddys too much around the NCR so I just see it as an expensive fan fic like the Nuka Break shorts. 4 has too much stuff like Ghouls no longer needing food to take its lore serious.

[@keshonhend2047]

Bethesda took disrespecting previous Fallout games to a whole new level with Fallout 4. Fallout 4 doesn't even respect lore from Fallout 4. Why does The Slog need food if Billy and Eddie Winter don't?

[@demonicthan742]

The TV show doesn't really muddy anything about the NCR. The Nuke image is farther on the timeline than the fall, and the fall could mean a lot of things, and could just refer to Shady Sands alone and not the NCR as a whole

[@Deadsea_1993]

​@@keshonhend2047. What about Gravesite Ghoul in Fallout 2 ? Billy was a post war Ghoul that talked about Quincy falling due to Gunners and not The Great War

[@Deadsea_1993]

Mothership is canon bro and aliens are part of old Fallout too

[@keshonhend2047]

@@Deadsea_1993 Hahahahahahaahaha dumbass trying to cite Fallout 2 while having obviously never played it himself. Willie was in the coffin for a month max. Lenny even says he went missing recently. Hahahahahahahahaahahahahahah fucking Bethesda tourists LMAO

[@timwinterhalter5233]

Its whatever Todd Howard considers canon at the moment, nothing more and nothing less

[@Fei_PL]

My theory is that Enclave* worked with vault-tec before war (or rather vault-tec worked for them) and enclave is one to blame of droping bombs ;) (*enclave as military industrial complex - they gave/droped bombs to/for vault-tec in exchange of vaults, crio-chambers technolology etc. They kept muldaver alive because she had technology to set their rule after getting rid of competition)

[@highwater2966]

So, what is the canon location for Shady Sands?)

[@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem]

As far as I'm concerned, cannon doesn't matter much beyond providing a base for discussion and a base for the games. Only a base for the games, because each game naturally moves beyond the existing cannon, or else there'd be no point. As for everyone saying which games or peices of Fallout media they consider cannon, that is referred to as "head cannon." Which is absolutely fine to have (I have my own, as does probably everyone to play one of the games), but it must always be given the boot in discussions that are not discussing that specific head cannon.

[@forsaken_king27]

My personal Head-Cannon is always somewhat based on the Offical Main-Cannon, but I try to fit it together and even try to explain some parts. But my personal Head-Cannon is: -Fallout 76 (Semi-Cannon; Oldest Legends of The Wasteland, have been subject to 200+ yrs of Exaggeration) -Fallout 1 (Cannon) -Fallout: Tactics (Semi-Cannon; Story is a product of Brotherhood Propaganda and Wasteland Legends) -Fallout 2 (Cannon) -Fallout 3 (Cannon; Aspects of story are exaggeration between Brotherhood Revisionism and Wasteland Legends) -Fallout NV (Cannon; Minor Exaggeration) -Fallout TTRPG; Winter of Atom (Semi-Cannon; Lovecraftian Horror takes a subtle subplot in the Boston area) -Fallout 4 (Cannon) -Fallout TV (Cannon)

[@ExpertContrarian]

0:17 “Can be a difficult task.” If you’re lazy

[@topcat59]

I honestly would say that some items in the atomic shop is canon, since there are pre-war areas where they could’ve scavenge or find blueprints to get some of this stuff for their settlement.🐱

[@CommonwealthCreations2287]

I like to imagine SS2 as canon

[@Frozen_Ketchup]

While I can admit that Fallout Brotherhood of Steel isn’t canon, I’d like to believe the essence of it is. Especially since it was made by Interplay, the developers and publishers of Fallout 1. The thing in my head canon exists from Brotherhood of Steel is that certain modern music exists. Specifically Metal music, as it plays in Brotherhood of Steel like Slipknot, Chimaira, Meshuggah, etc. Rock and Rock n Roll already exist in like it does in Fallout New Vegas and Fallout 4 with songs like Roundhouse Rock and Right Behind You Baby. Nothing really is stopping Fallout from having Metal music from existing, it’s just not presumably preserved in the post apocalyptic world but I’d like to think it’s sitting somewhere in a undiscovered Vault or so.

[@anonymous5405]

I hope they find someone who sounds more like House for season 2. Fuck it use ai to alter it in post, idc, I need that snark

[@mr.randomluck8949]

The only thing I claim is cannon is the Gary vault

[@seantaylor424]

I don't think that a series that leans so heavily on storytelling should be so cavalier with dismissing and admitting things. The games HAVE always given players multiple choices to resolve things, but The Master is still The Master, the Enclave is still the Enclave, etc, which makes it easier to guess what you can/can't do with a sequel and make adaptations down the road (which I thought the Amazon show was until this video). If Fallout had stronger gameplay, I could see them taking a "do whatever you want" approach to storytelling, but it was reportedly not very gameplay focused as early as FO1. As a Batman fan, I'm tired of seeing stories always go back to his first year, his first meeting with Gordon, first run-in with crime, etc and I think the reason they keep doing that is because they'd rather stick with a "make up what we want" approach and only use Bruce's origin as their framework. Similarly, Fallout is now 200+ years removed from The Great War, but there's still skeletons everywhere and nobody seems to be trying to make any big settlements outside of the NCR; it was kinda cool how FO2 showed that some parts of the world were rebuilding and making progress, but it seems like the series would rather stick with everything being dead and there only being sparse settlements. As cool as a dead world is, it's not the only cool option and the Enclave wouldn't have been a thing if not for stories building up on one another rather than always resetting back to Day 1. This isn't to say that the series sold out or lost its way or anything, I just don't like the idea of "whatever you want" in concept and I do think it's having some negative effects on FO the way Perpetual Year One is having a negative effect on Batman (his adaptations, anyway). Wearing whatever you want because you bought it is fine and dandy, but don't throw out the idea of keeping track of your stories just because it's easier or the initial premise of your franchise is so appealing; people study binge shows anymore to see where things are going and how they got to where they are, so I don't think that keeping track of continuity would hurt FO, even if they still want to experiment in their comics and novels and not get married to every word they write outside of their games.

[@gg_sam7847]

I always go by the Pokemon method of "canon", in that each instalment is never fully canon to anything that has come before or will come after. As long as the core themes and aesthetics and messaging stay throughout not much else matters

[@BradsPitts.]

I've never played any of the games and only watched two episodes of the show so far but I've lowkey become obsessed with the lore lol. I've watched so many videos now

[@JoeDavies-k8k]

Ive always like the idea that all the ending to the games could alway be canon. because for example in new vegas there was so many optional ending however there is always a chance that if the legion win they will fall apart because they turned on each other. they where already sturggling. to maintain there numbers same with the NCR. house was hooked up to a machine to stay alive so he could have always died after the game was finished. even in lonesome road. you have the option to bomb Legion, NCR or neither. but no matter what there are still missles in sylos in that area even if you choose not to bomb anyone a malfuction could have happend in the years that followed that sent them to those location. youd only need to here it reference in passing. like "new Vegas fell after the battle of hover dam and the death of mr house."/ "the legion failed to concer the west, there numbers became to great to sustain, after the death of their leader infighting rip the tribes apart and those who survived travelled back to the places they once called home"/ "the NCR after suffering great looses during the battle of hover dam broke apart mismanagment of their forces led to disater that they could not recover from"

[@juan.2513]

when i think shady sands wasnt bombed cannonically, i sleep better

[@keyboardcowgirl69]

tactics is 1000x as canon as the show, and at least all of the other extended media manages to not trample what came before , unlike the show

[@BeStupidWithIntent]

9:26 you said Raven Rock…. I know this as “Site R” and it is literally 10 mins from my house, which game is this featured? I’d like to poke around that area

[@DuckAvenger]

In fallout shelter synths could have kids since harkness does

[@cooldoberman2025]

HD fallout universe: fallout 3 (2008) fallout: new vegas (2010) fallout 4 (2015) fallout 5 (2026)

[@JulianUccetta]

Fallout 5 (2036)* FTFY bro

[@Deadsea_1993]

Lol Fallout 5 is not releasing until at least 2031 because Elder Scrolls 6

[@cooldoberman2025]

@@Deadsea_1993 i'm white but nigga ok

[@XFGHL78E]

Okay fine, the TV show is completely acceptable compared to whatever they do in China. I wonder if there are any...art of that design of Mother Isolde.

[@NJHProductions512]

The answer to this question is just yes.

[@TheZamaron]

Fallout and Elder Scrolls "canon" is interesting. The fact that the games are player choice driven, even when they're mostly pretty structured to some linear story. Doing this has potives and negatives. Negatives are it means actual meaningful player choices are limited or like Daggerfall when there are radically different choice paths they would pull of some kind of thing like the Warp In The West that renders all choices canon. Or they hardly touch back onto these places liek New Vegas and leave the timeline of events for that place stuck vaguely on the place leaving your choice and which is "canon" unimportant. But positives to milited choice means we can get more meaningful story and future games or media can vaguely reference these events, but often just either bringing in essential characters back like Macready from Fallout 3 who survived as children can't die and returned in Fallout 4, or choices that are obviously what our character who's typically a good person would most likely choose, for example the Lone Wanderer in Fallout 3 was raised by a father who loved them and taught them right from wrong, so canonically poisoning the water of the Capital Wasteland for the Enclave makes no sense. Thus canonically Project Purity works. Way I see the show is as anything before Fallout 1 canonically happened in all timelines if it doesn't contradict established lore, but present day events are 1 of many possible timelines.

[@anthapersephone7311]

Tolkien is fist pumping in his grave

[@nicholasgutierrez9940]

NCR got cucked lmao that's canon. True to Caesar.

[@KFC_Manager]

Ave amicus

[@digger6843]

In my headcanon (wishful thinking) whatever there is of Van Buren is canon even if it retcons parts of FNV

[@Vexxel256]

Tfym parts van buren being “canon” retcons the entirety of new vegas maybe for the exception of the new vegas strip

[@ptreznov240]

@@Vexxel256there’s a lot of stuff in Van Buren that could very easily be canon even with New Vegas

[@trissy8820]

See the thing about saying canon is canon. Is theyre the ones who set the expectations in the first place not the fans. If you make a world where you spend the time to make a believable story and coherent plot lines that interconnect. You cant be upset when your fans notice mistakes contrivances and plot holes. If they started off all goofy and non commital then the fans who care about a good coherent story wouldnt be here in the first place. Theyll do what they want but to say dismiss fans that care about cannon goes against the fans you built in the first place. Always gonna be a fallout fan down to the bone but developers should respect all their fans opinions even if they dont like them.

[@JevinJohnson-CloudShift]

I hope they leave the NV ending ambiguous. Possibly some details get confirmed but since it's been 15 years I think it could be left up to interpretation

[@benverboonen1108]

I dont consider anything in the show to he canon because it was made to be concise for viewers not readers of the comic

[@xtheredronin8189]

Lmao ok 😂

[@realBandone]

If if I had a dollar for how many times you said Canon, I would have 76 dollars

[@tam-tam7098]

The community around Fallout is as cancer causing as the radiation I swear. I wonder how the devs feel seeing people berate each other over what is and isn't canon in their eyes.

[@Fapaljack]

its not a warcrime if canada is involved... They love warcraimes! seriously look up the kinds stuff canada did...

[@MLPDethDealr32]

why did my brain just read this in AJs voice. 0_o

[@weaponizedautism8389]

From what I heard tactics is 100% canon, but with the bullshit Emil pulled with the Fallout 1 opening retcon and the show’s canon wonkiness I don’t even know anymore, it’s almost as bad as the timeline for the Star Wars Legends continuity due to, in Disney’s infinite wisdom, including Dave Filoni’s Clone Wars in both canons when it doesn’t fit in Legends at all

[@Odindoesstuffreal]

lore… lore always changes

[@Martial-Mat]

Anyone who says "Whatever Bethesda says is canon is canon" has clearly not thought their argument through. What if Bethesda decided to add GTA or Pokemon characters because the crossover would sell?! Canon is not decided exclusively by the current rights holders. At its strictest, canon is decided by the original author of a work of fiction. Perhaps at its loosest, canon is decided by the community. But I would argue that canon is decided by the current creators, ONLY SO LONG AS THEY RESPECT AND CARE ABOUT ORIGINAL CANON. If they want to make a lore change, it has to be explained using in-game logic. Any rights owner who does not respect canon does not deserve to be seen as the arbiter of canon, and I don't respect their opinion on the matter. All of that said, much as I love the Fallout world, the entire premise is so fantastically stupid, with aliens and Cthulu monsters, it really doesn't matter, and I kind of see each game as almost happening in its own unique universe, virtually disconnected from the others.

[@ZaccETH]

Could the winter of atom be linked to the dunwich bores monster and the theory surrounding that

[@lwlnexus1377]

Just because Bethesda has the "rights" to the series and enjoys bastardizing it doesn't mean I have to accept their slop as canon The "fallout" show and 76 is not canon no matter how much the tourists and Corp bootlickers want.

[@hermos3602]

Whatever happened to just ignoring what you don't like? Why the need to bitch about things you don't like? Nobody is forcing you to play Fallout 76.

[@lwlnexus1377]

@@hermos3602 because ignoring the bastardization of something you are passionate about is as good as saying "yes i want this thing i like to die!" and supporting that carp is actively ruining any chance of there ever being a future fallout game that's actually good (or even somewhat decent) if you want to support destroying something people like they are going to show you the hostility you deserve!

[@DeadEarthTheory]

Waste of time trying to nail down the canon. Seriously they will retcon whenever they want, and fuck you and what you like that’s why.

[@Juanguar]

No matter what everyone else says it doesn’t matter In the end it’s Bethesda that’s running the show and they dictate it whether everyone likes it or not

[@twotamatos]

Not necessarily u do have the garden of edan creation kit soooo go wild with what u want to create that could be cannon story telling. It’s like homestuck 2 beyond cannon is a thing and the majority of us who where big fans do not like what viz media has done to the franchise so we take the assets, story elements the creator has given us start whipping stuff up in photoshop and make ur own Au that’s how little cannon should matter cuz I don’t want to accept a buncha half baked writers who care really little n wanna turn fallout or HS into a sloppy shipping fest n legit have folk who write the show go NO I’ve never played a fallout game before??? When Todd approached me n said he loved my directing he said did u play fallout I said heck no so he slipped me one copy of Skyrim on a calculator and fallout 4 and that’s my reference of what a good fallout game is 4… yah nah that chick who plays Lucy has no idea what fallout is either but in the interview we sat down for a week n probably binge watched oxhorn or something n then came to conclusions what we wanna do with this lore of the west coast mixed in with a tiny few writers from the game I’m not gonna accept that as cannon n think what u said is a ur gonna lay down n take it sorta attitude whether u like it or not and I just wont advocate for that typa do nothing while people destroy and Bismarck a once really amazing IP imma get up take matters into my own hands and hope fans do the same too

[@BrettCaton]

Absolutely, they bought someone else's art, pissed all over it, and hung it in a gallery, and now idiots are crowding around taking huffs of the fumes.

[@Masthegreatest08]

The ending of fnv is prob going to be a 'dragon break' A way to end a story that has more than 1 ending by saying that all endings happened

[@EvilParagon4]

Not needed tbh. So long as there's an event that invalidates any ending after the ending, then that'll work just fine. For instance Elder Scrolls 6 will likely just say the Thalmor invaded a post-war Skyrim. Whoever won the war doesn't matter. In NV's case it'll probably be the Tunnellers.

[@jonathanathor117]

At the very least fallout 1 and 2 are cannon because they started the franchise. The events of fallout 3 lead to fallout 3 happening (the enclave existing). Fallout new vegas and even fallout 4 are more their own separate thing especially new vegas.

[@thetitanoneonefiveninethre1055]

Making vault tech dropping the bombs canon so that they have to talk about china makes games like fallout 4 not canon or at least unfaithful

[@morewi]

I agree with your post but they haven't outright stated that. It could be they just let it happen or just help it along

[@demonicthan742]

They didn't outright say that they dropped the bombs, just that they would have been more than ready too. It's still likely that they didn't drop them, especially since if they did, Mr House wouldn't have gotten the timing of the platinum chip delivery wrong

[@Alex_FRD]

Whatever Todd and Emil need for their latest cash grab.

[@user10572]

You guys think we’re ever going to actually get a fallout 5 game?

[@laf1993]

If it's made by Bethesda, I certainly hope not.

[@EvilParagon4]

Most definitely. The word "ever" is too indefinite to say no, Fallout 5 won't happen. The real question is within the decade. Can Fallout 5 release before 2030? Can it release before 2034?

[@EonEsper-Kriz]

What is Canon and what is not Canon, I believe, is up to each individual Person. Who is gonna stop you for believing it was this way or the other way?? Not me... not me, lol.

[@AdmiralTrousersnake]

What if they've been telling us what canon is, but this whole time the only true canon game if China's Fallout Shelter.

[@InquisitorXarius]

Excellent question Personally my thoughts on Fallout canon are this: Fallout 1, 2, 3, NV, 4, and 76 are all Canon. Fallout 3’s “good” ending is canon concerning the BoS and the destruction of Adam’s air force. FNV’s House or YesMen endings are canon. Fallout 4’s second evil ending concerning the BoS is canon. Concerning who started the Great War, even though we know Vault-Tec intended it they are not the ones who actually pressed the big red button. Thanks to content from Fallout 2, Fallout 4, and Fallout 76, in particular 76 concerning the Enclave and the Free States we can say for certain it was in fact the Enclave and the CCP who started the Great War. Also in 76 we learn the Brotherhood of Steel has consistently lied to us and itself concerning its ideology. In Maxson’s last conversation with Taggerdy via Satelite we learn he explicitly ordered the BoS to not shut off the rest of the world from them, which means the Codex is a lie.

[@mememaster9703]

goofball these games cant all be canon, bethesda fucked it all up way too much

[@Halo_Legend]

To be honest, I don't care. Only things that make sense and are the best are canon to me.

[@Reefer-Rampage69]

Mr. House robot 🤖 slaves cannon confirmed

[@perceivedvelocity9914]

Haha. In the comment section people believe that the games that they enjoyed playing are cannon. The games that they did not like are not cannon. That's not the truth of course but everyone is the sun in their own solar system.

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

Everything I like is correct and everything I dislike is wrong because I always have the right opinion.

[@perceivedvelocity9914]

​@@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporationExactly!

[@ourflameisrising9785]

I did not enjoy playing 1 or 2 but they are cannon, I did enjoy 3 4 and 76, but they are not.

[@hermos3602]

​@@perceivedvelocity9914They sound really childish. And most people don't care what do and don't consider canon. Them saying that Fallout 4 isn't canon just because they don't like it won't stop others from playing it. And these people will fume if someone dares to say they don't like New Vegas.

[@Halo_Legend]

Correct your grammar. Cannons* / a cannon* Though I do not know why would you call any of those a piece of altillery.

[@keshonhend2047]

Canon: 1, 2, New Vegas Semi-canon: Tactics Not canon: Brotherhood of Steel Toddslop: 3, 4, 76, the show.

[@Deadsea_1993]

You Bethesda haters are hilarious. The show was fucking good. Todd Howard Derangement Syndrome is real

[@keshonhend2047]

@@Deadsea_1993 The show was fucking awful. Get some standards and taste lmao

[@DoomUvb]

​@@Deadsea_1993 How is he a Bethesda hater?

[@keshonhend2047]

@@DoomUvb he right. I am. Bethesda haven’t made anything good since 2002.

[@TheOfficialVexMeow]

@@keshonhend2047 Based opinion but morrowind is mid

[@creativeguy1138]

It's all canon and the tv show did not retcon anything.

[@noddy1973]

Lore sloptubers still using same pre FO3 release gaming article shit for Tactics to this day holy fuck

[@keshonhend2047]

Bethesda fanboys lose their fucking minds when someone has actual taste and standards. It's hilarious. You "people" deserved Starfield.

[@hermos3602]

And this here is an example of a toxic fan.

[@keshonhend2047]

@@hermos3602 and here's the "fan" who enabled Starfield.

[@KFC_Manager]

New vegas is my favourite game, cry more tho buddy todd is the goat

[@keshonhend2047]

@@KFC_Manager cope. Tell your monkey employees to stop getting my orders wrong.

[@HulkTheSurgeon]

Actually, nothing after Fallout 2 is canon if you do your research. It's very clearly stated that the reason the resource wars started was a dwindling fuel supply of gas, and that fusion energy was created, (Not cold fusion like in the show, which while enjoyable, has some really bad writing.) was the day the nukes dropped. This is why vehicles in the earlier games ran on fossil fuels. Yet somehow, in Fallout 4, and New Vegas, (as much as I love that game.) cars are suddenly fueled with nuclear cores, which entirely didn't exist in the original lore. Don't get me wrong, I love the modern series for what it is, but the writing teams hardly looked at the lore and source material and just went for a lot of things that just "sounded cool." I at least forgive New Vegas because despite the incongruity of nuclear cars in the timeline, their writing elsewhere was immaculate.

[@InquisitorXarius]

You sound really like a Interplay Worshipping Beatnick who refuses to acknowledge Bethesda’s acquisition of Fallout saved it from irrelevancy as “some 90’s games with mediocre to absolutely shitty spinoffs”

[@chadgoose7886]

@@InquisitorXarius1: you don’t know what beatnik means. 2: you are a paranoid crybaby

[@DC-it2ng]

All I hear from you is crying, boy.

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@InquisitorXariusyou sound like you don’t have an argument

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@DC-it2ngstop crying