What does the Bible say about Denominations? | Counterpoint with Mike Hixson & BJ Clarke

[@DanielCooper-j9r]

Very straightforward truthful teaching keep preaching brothers Mike and BJ God bless y'all

[@H_O_W_I_E___D_O_O_H_A_N]

Ephesians 1: 12 - That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 - In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 - Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

[@jarvisprice1992]

This is sound teaching.

[@jonathansmiddy7224]

I know why we have so many denominations. You change the clear reading of a text, especially if you don't like what it says. See example below. John 13 Jesus speaking 13 You call Me Teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am. 14 If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, ***you also ought to wash one another’s feet. 15 ***For I have given you an example, that 👉 you should do as I have done to you. 16 Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him. 17 If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them.

[@davidstamburski9487]

1st Corinthians 1: 10-13 talks about Christians following different men back then.

[@roycerhoades8622]

Yes, and Paul condemned them for causing division in the church in Corinth. Division was wrong then and it is wrong now!

[@davidstamburski9487]

@roycerhoades8622 so which one of the many divisions in the church of Christ is correct or the true church??

[@dwbid42]

Some man (men) nearly 1800 years after Christ decides that he knows how to interpret the Bible and hangs a sign out front of a building (not in front of a home which was the PATTERN in NT times & they didn't have a sign out front either) saying CoC. Man doesn't make churches Christ does and he didn't hang the sign.

[@dwbid42]

"There's only ONE??? Church I can read about in scripture" If you get away from Mark 16:26; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16; 1 Peter 3:21 etc you'd know there are more churches mentioned. John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. "Fold" In the KJV the word “fold” occurs twice in this verse. But there are two different Greek words here. The first is aulē, which is correctly translated “fold,” or “sheep pen” (NIV). But the second is poimnē, which means “flock.” Is this distinction important? It is! The Roman Catholic (CHURCH OF CHRIST?) church has insisted that it is the only true “fold,” into which everyone must come in order to be saved. But what Jesus said was that there would be one “flock,” His own sheep, though they belong to many denominational folds. Word Meanings In The New Testament, One Volume Edition Ralph Earle See Robertson's Word Pictures, The Pulpit Commentary, Paul Ktetzmann Commentary etc ---- 1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS (Genitive - possession). 
Romans 16:4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the CHURCHES OF THE GENTILES (Genitive - possession). 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN ((Genitive - possession) plural), which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
You see all the "churches" in the New Testament were part of his ASSEMBLY regardless of the name they went by. See the above scriptures. The PLANETS of our sun all salute you - Guess that doesn't leave room for an Earth, Venus, Jupiter, Mars, Saturn, Uranus, Mercury or Neptune!! EACH ONE IS TO BE REFERRED TO ONLY AS PLANET My sister's 10 CHILDREN all said to say hello - and NO each of their names is not CHILD!! PLEASE, BOOK, CHAPTER AND VERSE STATING WHAT THE CHURCH IS TO BE CALLED.

[@dwbid42]

If your sermon or lesson has more than the Bible has in it, it has too much - If your sermon or lesson has less than the Bible has in it, it had to little. Denominations at least have enough faith in what they believe to put it in writing.

[@sulongenjop7436]

Jesus said, "I come to divide ". He means, he causes division and establishment of many church denominations!

[@Father_A_Long]

If a church doesn't change their doctrine when there is clear bible teaching that contradicts it, would that make them a denomination?

[@1861olesamule]

Nothing...they didnt exist yet

[@davidstamburski9487]

Matthew 16 apon this rock I will build my church. What was the rock? Read the context, its talking about Peter. Again read the context

[@hbrcb365]

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church. This is the first time Jesus speaks of his church, and here, as not yet founded. Three terms are to be noted: (1) Peter, in the Greek, Petros, meaning a single stone; (2) Rock, in the Greek, Petra, which means the solid, immovable bed-rock, a great mass like a cliff, and (3) church, Greek, ecclesia, those "called out," the fellowship of believers, the organized society of Christ, the kingdom of heaven on earth. There is probably no passage in the word of God that has called forth more discussion. The Papal church insists that Peter is the rock upon which Christ founded his church. The Catholic position is based upon the fact that Peter means a stone (see Jhn 1:42), and the Savior's language might be rendered, "Thou art a stone, and upon this rock I will build my church." The Catholic view is untenable, for 1. The Savior does not say, "Thou art a stone, and upon thee I will build," etc., or "Thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build." He changes the word in the Greek from Petros (Peter, a stone) to Petra, a rock, or ledge of rock--a solid bed-rock. 2. Every saint is a stone (see 1Pe 2:5). The Lord declares that Peter is one these living stones, made such by his confession of faith, and ready to be built into the church, the spiritual temple, formed of living stones, and built upon the rock. So is every confessor of Christ. In order to settle what the Savior does mean by the rock, we must consider Mat 16:18-19 together, and keep in mind the entire figure. This figure portrays (1) a Builder, Christ; (2) a temple to be built, composed of lively stones, the church; (3) a foundation for that temple, the rock; (4) the gates of an unfriendly city or power which shall seek its destruction, hell, or more correctly, Hades, the unseen abode of the dead, the grave; (5) a door-keeper of the church, or spiritual temple, with his keys, Peter. Peter's place in the figure is not that of the foundation, but that of the key-holder, or turnkey. The only difficulty is in settling what the Lord means by the rock. Since this rock is the foundation of the church, the central principle, the fundamental idea, we are aided to a correct decision by the teachings of the Word elsewhere. We learn from 1Co 3:11, "That other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." This excludes Peter or any human platform. Christ is often called a stone: "the stone that the builders rejected," "the chief corner stone," "the stone that is the head of the corner," "the spiritual rock which is Christ." Faith in Christ held in the heart, and confessed with the lips is the very foundation of the spiritual life and of the church. This constituted the fundamental difference in apostolic days between Christians and unbelievers, the church and the world. It does still. It is the essence of the teaching of the New Testament that the platform or foundation of the Christian society, the church, is this belief that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. It is then Peter's grand confession, faith in the Spiritual Rock, the faith that lays hold of Christ, belief that he is the Anointed of God, the Divine Savior, that the Lord pronounces the rock upon which he will found his church. That this view is correct is shown by a correct understanding of the declaration, The gates of hades shall not prevail against it. From the gates of the city always marched forth its armies. The powers of hades are represented by its gates. Hades is not hell (Gehenna), but the unseen abode of the dead that holds the departed within its gates. Just after these words the Lord talks of his death, or entering hades. Six months later the Sanhedrim sent him to death for making the same confession Peter had just made. See Mat 26:64-67. They expected to demonstrate that the confession of his divinity which he had made was false by sending him to hades, which they supposed would hold him and prevail against the confession of the ROCK. He was sent there from the cross, but the gates of hades did not prevail, for they could not hold him, and the living Savior, rising triumphant from the tomb, was the unanswerable argument that his own and Peter's confession was a rock that could never be moved. His resurrection demonstrated that he is the Rock. Hades did not prevail.

[@violetkumarina3699]

The question is, who is the rock, and your answer ought to be Jesus. On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand. Matthew 7:24-27 Peter is not the rock, Jesus is the Rock. Hallelujah Amen 🙏 ❤❤

[@davidstamburski9487]

@violetkumarina3699 context shows Christ was speaking to Peter.

[@gawnan8066]

Great lesson. One point, though. Near the end it was stated that one cannot find anyone in the NT joining the church-the called out disciples. Acts 9:26, “When he had come to Jerusalem, he attempted to join the disciples; and they were all afraid of him, for they did not believe that he was a disciple.”