What does the Bible say about divorce? Wayne Grudem | FamilyLife Today

[@Cherbear-x6u]

So many forms of abuse. Emotional, Neglect, Spiritual, Financial that is so damaging. Sometimes the only way to get traction and possible repentance is to separate and work on yourself while you pray that your H does the same, fruit of the spirit needs to be revealed and to build trust. Leslie Vernick has great videos helping with toxic relationships for types of relationships. The Church has done so much damage to so many women that endure this abuse for years causing loss of your own identity and can create so many health issues. IF we allow the abuse we too are sinning because we are to call out the behavior - not easy in an unsafe home but there are ways. Community support is key

[@familylife]

You’ve highlighted some very important and often overlooked aspects of dealing with abuse. It's crucial to recognize the different forms of abuse and seek support. Building a supportive community and prioritizing personal well-being are key. How else have you found the best ways to seek support and safety in these challenging circumstances?

[@laidback1.0.1.2]

Ok so we have some errors here

[@tiffanysteen1845]

What about ongoing abuse that’s a form of unfaithfulness

[@familylife]

Hi Tiffany, That's a great question, thanks for asking! Yes, abuse is so often tragic to a relationship and also biblical grounds for divorce. I've copied part of the transcript of today's episode here below, in case you weren't able to listen to that section of the show where Wayne addresses abuse as justification for divorce also. It's about 23 minutes into the show. I hope this helps. From Transcript: Wayne: That led me to say, “What other cases are there that Paul would have in mind, that would damage a marriage as much as desertion by a spouse or as much as adultery?” Then I think we could think of some cases which are tragic situations where marriage is horribly damaged and there seems to be no human hope for repair of the marriage. Significant, serious physical abuse. Repeated physical abuse would fall into that category. That was a help to me, Dave and Ann, because for years I had taught the general position of Protestant churches since the reformation. That is there are only two reasons for divorce, adultery, the physical act of adultery, and desertion by an unbeliever from 1 Corinthians 7:15.Then I said, “In the cases of abuse, the church should do everything it can to stop the abuse; it’s not a ground for divorce.” But now I’m willing to say because of 1 Corinthians 7:15, divorce in the case of physical abuse that has continued over time and is threatening to continue into the future, in some cases anyway, is grounds for divorce - it is legitimate. It is in similar case as the damage of marriage as much as desertion. Does that make any sense? Dave: Oh yes. Ann: Totally makes senses, and you are right. I think that’s a relief to certain people. As we think about it, “How could God want me to stay in that marriage when this husband continues to beat me?” And you are saying that kind of circumstance would be “In such cases” - it would fall in line with that. Wyne: Exactly. Dave: I know as a preacher over 30 years, often I would visit the topic of forgiveness. So I would be preaching on forgiveness and a spouse would come up after-I’m sure, Wayne, you have had the same thing-and say, “You are saying I’m commanded by God to forgive. I’m in a marriage where my husband…” and it could go the other way, “I’m getting physically beat. What I heard was stay there and just forgive him.” I’m like, “Whoa, whoa, wait.” I learned early as a preacher 30 something years ago, every time I talk about forgiveness, I always footnote it, “By the way, I’m not saying ‘If you are in a marriage where you are getting beat, you are supposed to just forgive this man.’ You are called to forgive him, but you are also called to get safe first.” Hopefully God can restore that marriage, but He might not be able to. You are actually saying “In such cases” means this may not be a marriage that can be sustained, especially if her or she will not repent and stop the abuse, you have grounds for divorce, right? WAYNE GRUDEM: Right. End of Transcript Quote You can find the full transcript here: www.familylife.com/podcast/familylife-today/what-does-the-bible-say-about-divorce-wayne-grudem/ Also Tiffany if you would like to read more about our response to abuse and divorce, here are a few blog posts on the topic: www.familylife.com/articles/topics/marriage/troubled-marriage/should-we-stay-together-for-the-kids/ www.familylife.com/articles/topics/life-issues/challenges/am-i-in-an-abusive-relationship-helping-women-recognize-the-signs-of-abuse/ www.familylife.com/articles/topics/faith/essentials-faith/reaching-out/10-ways-to-help-a-friend-going-through-a-divorce/ I hope that's helpful and thanks for listening asking the question. God bless your day!

[@tiffanysteen1845]

@@familylife thank you it is

[@tiffanysteen1845]

I’d also say emotional abuse is also damaging to a marriage and the kids

[@familylife]

​@@tiffanysteen1845 tune in today for another episode with Wayne Grudem where they discuss more on this topic. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZi4ZWtqgsZ2jNU

[@tiffanysteen1845]

I did save one from few months ago on abusive marriages I’m not being abused but I know women that are

[@amyteurlife9408]

Are the words "in such cases" in the bible in regard to the Egyptian plagues? or is this just an example used by Philo?

[@familylife]

There could be a connection, but we'd need to dive deeper into that than what this podcast was able to cover. This podcast was specifically about divorce and what the bible says about it. But thanks for watching and commenting!

[@familylife]

Make sure to listen to episode two of this series here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZi4ZWtqgsZ2jNU