Divorce and the Bible: Navigating Complexities with Faith & Understanding

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@donnamartin9198 6 ай бұрын

I wish I had known this years ago!!! Well meaning pastors and people (my husband) have been saying this over and over and over resulting in my staying in a spiritually, mentally, emotionally and financially abusive relationship for 35 years. I am in the process of leaving now.

@AdrienneJung.M 6 ай бұрын

So much of this makes so much sense…I also watched Mike Winger’s 3 hour break down of divorce and remarriage. I agree with it but it is so hard to truly believe it when I was raised hearing that even in abuse situations I am not allowed to divorce only separation until death or reconciliation. I have a hard time believing things that feel good to hear, like I can’t trust it if it’s something I want to hear because I’m afraid it’s just my flesh talking. Last year I was praying and laboring over the painful state of my marriage and I went to read my Bible only for it open directly to the story of Abigail and Nabal without any intention on my part. Part of me wanted to take that as confirmation that God approves of getting out of an abusive situation but the other part of me can’t trust it and is afraid that I’m looking for magical signs to do what I want. I agree with so much of this but I have so much trouble going against the theological training I was brought up in. So here I am still watching Leslie’s videos praying that God will make it clear to me, but maybe He already has…..I feel like I’ve been frozen for years

@renearosser1466 6 ай бұрын

I know what you are going through. Anything that “sounds good” must really be bad. Still unlearning things.

@Mama.bear. 6 ай бұрын

I’m literally in the same position. Watched Mike’s video and it was so helpful. Met with pastor and elders, prayed, read books, blogs, all the things. I’m just so fearful of my husband and his response when I try to leave. But I think it’s time. God is kind and I can’t believe He wants His daughters to be abused. Praying for all of us. 🤍

@jesusisthelordofall4715 6 ай бұрын

This is me…

@AdrienneJung.M 6 ай бұрын

@@Mama.bear. amen, may our Father bless and keep and protect you and your children dear sister…I am literally in the same predicament right now. I’m afraid to make that jump until I have a safety net for my children and myself in case things really get crazy. He has already stalked me while we are together and accused me of crazy things, I don’t know how nuts things will get. May God gives us wisdom and protection in Jesus name.

@Mama.bear. 6 ай бұрын

@@AdrienneJung.M Thank you, amen! If you ever think of it, reply here and give an update sometime. 🥰

@angelam.1416 6 ай бұрын

Hit like as soon as I saw Dr. Joel!! He is an amazing vessel of the word.

@christinemcrawford 6 ай бұрын

So thankful for both of your work. I had to walk away from a destructive 18 year marriage and it was thr hardest thing I have ever done. But God has been so near and kind.

@eyrerosecottage1970 6 ай бұрын

This is such an important conversation. Thank you for giving us Dr. Mudammale's excellent scholarship to correct so much wrong-headed thinking in the church.

@JennieChaildin-dt4pe 9 күн бұрын

I can't thank you enough. I was told that I didn't deserve to be safe, I had to submit to my husband as if he is God. Even believed that the abuse made me holy. No one can harm God and he is completely Holy

@jennbrooks07 4 ай бұрын

I am crying listening to this…I divorced from a terribly abusive man 10 years ago. I have lost my friends, and my church due to the Grand Smear Campaign and have been basically sent to exile. I knew my bible better than anyone including the “pastor”. I knew God did not approve. Everyone believed my ex, played the victim etc,etc. I still live in utter “shame” and almost lost my faith. I stay at home with my disabled 20 year old daughter. He is a millionaire, and I am on food stamps and renting. I have been second guessing all these years and wondering if I’m being punished. I was unwilling to leave my daughter in the hand of this man. I am so hurt and can’t hardly take another step…. Watching this has lifted this burden I have live with for so long. THANK YOU for your clarification on this very important subject. This false doctrine is so soul crushing. ❤😢❤

@leslievernick 4 ай бұрын

My dear friend. I am so sorry for your pain. You've lost so much...please do not lose your faith, too. The end of your story is not yet written! We are here for you.

@ma59457 20 күн бұрын

Amazing podcast!

@janeotto4132 6 ай бұрын

Can you address the issue of divorcing and making an adulterer of the woman. I heard from a Jewish rabbi that the word used for our interpretation divorce, has been mistranslated in that phrase. It says when you send your wife out of your house, you make an adulterer of her. Of course it does...he never gave her a divorce certificate. He's not against divorce. He's against men throwing their wives out and also treating them treacherously.

@jeanabarnett8914 5 ай бұрын

So good, thank you both for these topics. For the truth and for the wisdom.

@iw9338 6 ай бұрын

Thanks very much.😅

@normatorresortiz7771 6 ай бұрын

What a great teaching. Hope to see more of this resources in Spanish

@leslievernick 6 ай бұрын

We are talking about it... not there yet but please keep it in prayer! - Julie

@normatorresortiz7771 6 ай бұрын

@@leslievernick great! I'm praying for that! I would love to learn more from Leslie and be part of that project. I'm working on my Counselor certification ❤️

@leslievernick 5 ай бұрын

@@normatorresortiz7771 Fantastic!!! I wish you all the best!

@SurvivorC 3 ай бұрын

Thank you both!

@jennyeh 6 ай бұрын

I find these things so difficult to sift through. Like when is information like this just ‘ear tickling’ and when is it correctly following a line of God’s consistent care over individuals? John Piper preaches no divorce ever. I think he has said ‘separation for those being physically harmed’ but listening to these two camps of thinking just has me further perplexed. Thank you for this attempt to clarify. I think it’s important to think these things through for ourselves with Father and seek as much counseling as possible. *Side thought: Mr.Muddamalle’s hair was perfection, he should definitely stay with his current stylist.🙃

@eyrerosecottage1970 6 ай бұрын

I think it's hard to correct the improper teaching from people you've respected for years and years. I think the cultural misunderstanding analogy he shared at the beginning is key. As well as remembering we don't live in the culture many of these Bible verses were written, so a Bible scholar is more trustable, in my opinion, than many pastors. I would vehemently disagree with John Piper about divorce.

@AdrienneJung.M 6 ай бұрын

I resonate so much with this comment…I have a hard time believing things that feel good to hear, like I can’t trust it if it’s something I want to hear because I’m afraid it’s just my flesh talking. Last year I was praying and laboring over the painful state of my marriage and I went to read my Bible only open directly to the story of Abigail and Nabal without any intention on my part. Part of me wanted to take that as confirmation that God approves of getting out of an abusive situation but the other part of me can’t trust it and is afraid that I’m looking for magical signs to do what I want. I agree with so much of this but I have so much trouble going against the theological training I was brought up in. So here I am still watching Leslie’s videos praying that God will make it clear to me, but maybe He already has…..I feel like I’ve been frozen for years

@jennyeh 6 ай бұрын

@@AdrienneJung.M I appreciate how open you were in this comment. I liked how you expressed what I feel from your perspective. I think Father does want us to look at our marriages from every angle and see if we might have ‘a log in our eye’ but after that, as I study God’s word on this topic? So far, it is not clear except one thing: I am supposed to take care of my heart. Protect what God says is true about me, so this is my personal next step. I’ve begun studying what IS true about me and taking care to see what I can know to be true about my marriage. Because when any lie tries to knock me flat: I can battle it with truths I Know. Adrienne, I am praying for you right now. I hope you get healing and clarity. May God bless your journey.

@AdrienneJung.M 6 ай бұрын

@@jennyeh thank you for your wise words…I will be praying for you too sister

@Mama.bear. 6 ай бұрын

Funny enough, my now husband sent me Piper’s essay on marriage before we were engaged and said this is the correct view of marriage, and I totally went along with it. (I love Piper, btw). However, even then, it didn’t sit right with me. I like how Leslie says (in other videos) how important it is to be protected legally from abusers. And she asks the question of pastors, if you tell a woman to separate but not divorce an abuser, will you pay for all her expenses, should the husband fail to? Will you cover her housing, food, clothing, medical care? Her children’s needs? College? Future weddings? Her retirement and any medical care into her old age? Are you willing to stand in the gap and protect her and her children since you are telling her to not go anywhere and stay yoked to him? That was eye-opening. I think many people mean well, but are truly ignorant about abuse. I was and I held to these extreme positions until I learned. I am so, so grateful for people like him and Mike Winger who take the time to do deep study on these things and speak out, even when it’s unpopular. I think even Wayne Grudem changed his position on marriage after counseling couples and doing more study.

@vickihogan8207 2 ай бұрын

My covenant was with God and my husband. The only one who says (after 54 yrs) he never knew what covenant really was is my husband. Years of Infidelity but after all these years suddenly had a miracle enlightening and is now “free of his addiction” and announced he is leaving our common faith for Catholicism/orthodox…all in secret from me.

@renearosser1466 6 ай бұрын

Can someone please explain why Paul says if a woman divorces her husband to remain single or be reconciled to her husband?

@anishaskariya 4 ай бұрын

Go Joel!!! 👏🏽

@sanjazurovac7468 6 ай бұрын

Would it be possible to have a copy or a link to Joel's desertation?

@hcoo1481 6 ай бұрын

Can you comment on if there is a biblical difference between a marriage officiated by a justice of the peace rather than a pastor or priest?

@xbluesaintx 6 ай бұрын

I have a hard time accepting the contract/covenant view of marriage. It seems to put the "burnt toast" view back on the table in that, although burning toast is not a sin, serving burnt toast to your husband would likely be seen as an unjustified act of deliberate disrespect and a violation of her contract.

@xbluesaintx 6 ай бұрын

A pastor I know who holds to this also believes most marriage contracts are broken before the end of the honeymoon.