What Does the Future Hold For Jehovah's Witnesses?

[@elisenieuwe4649]

I find their financial problems kinda funny in a ironic way, because this is their own policy fault. If they would have let peopple get decent educations, then people would earn a lot more and therefore be able to donate more.

[@jasonbowen5096]

They should have made a new rule that condoms and the pill are " wrong " so that kids and new donations would flourish. Taken from the Catholic rules lol

[@MK-13337]

Higher education has a strong correlation with atheism/more moderate belief. If you gain critical thinking skills you might some day think critically about the cult. So higher earning atheists aren't on the menú for the watchtower

[@seanewing845]

Not necessarily. You are assuming that all of the people who would have attended higher education would continue to be Jehovah Witnesses if they were introduced to other theory's about science, philosophy history and science.

[@brucerobertson2466]

@@seanewing845 Mormons have higher education and have not lost members. That doctrine is just as nutty as JW.

[@kathyheitchue2022]

Do not give one bloody cent to this idiotic brainwashing Cult

[@covertfade5867]

My prediction; within 10 years we will see at least one senior WT official somewhere in the world handed a prison sentence for covering up child abuse.

[@grizz6370]

The reason they would rather pay $4000/day fine instead of release pedophile list is because they all are on it!!!

[@oweltingzon4470]

The great tribulation would likely happen somewhere during that 10 year you mentioned so what you suggested won't ever happen at all.

[@gbnomore3918]

@@grizz6370 Yea "...there's more money flowing out than flowing in..." And we don't wanna go to prison so keep that cash flowing , including your kid's ice cream money, into the business..er..uh I mean "Jehovah's Organization".

[@oweltingzon4470]

@@OfftoShambala Im gonna predict a Great Tribulation is going to appear very soon! First stage is when Trump or his successor will meet with the Nokors at a 3rd Summit for Peace & Security.

[@HGANGHONY]

The GB and all associated JW elders evolved in any coverup should be prosecuted. A class-action lawsuit should be filed against the Watchtower Society for all the unnecessary emotional pain and suffering they have caused. They are guilty, blood guilty.

[@cliffs1965]

Watchtower closes it's publishing part, all Kingdom Halls sold. Future weekly meetings on KZbin: *A Half Hour Of Watchtower with Tony Morris* (sponsored by Macallans Scotch)

[@crystalfergusonbell7636]

Cliff S 😂

[@asapstan]

Future weekly meetings on KZbin" well make that zoom lol.and here we are 1 year later

[@MidnightAndLuna]

Your prediction is way more plausible than any prediction they have and will come up with.

[@johnnylavery5512]

Close! Zoom

[@Yah_Weii]

👁👄👁 me already an 1 year and a 6 weeks into Zoom Mettings

[@tomjohnson8283]

1914 will be changed to 2014. The Gentile times have ended again their Kings have had their second day. Pour me some scotch

[@killerjones1]

-Make it Jamieson! (My wife likes that one...)

[@mjarail]

Macallen's Single Malt! YUMM!

[@saulgoodman505]

Exactly, at least I can have a Scotch in my hand whilst watching ( cough cough) JW.bOrg at home

[@judylara0316]

😂

[@mikeyoung1198]

Way too many people he better study some more Google it if all the people living in the world today could all fit in Texas and still have 720 square feet per person that's just Texas Alaska's three times as big as that Russia I think it's twice as big is the United States plenty of room the world is not overpopulated it's the way we populate it

[@solitarianihilista1454]

The biggest problem for the Watchtower in this day and age is precisely this: the internet. Up until as little as 20 years ago it was still relatively easy for the organisation to limit and control what its members could see and hear. Now anyone can go online and access information that is difficult for the church to refute. If the Watchtower is to continue it will probably have no choice but to develop Witness-only communities within which media is tightly controlled and internet access is effectively banned, except perhaps for some kind of congregational Intranet system. Within a century or two whatever remains of the JW faith will most likely resemble something like the Amish communities in the United States. No doubt many people will find this far-fetched, but from my own knowledge and personal experience of the Witness movement I cannot see it surviving the 21st century information age any other way.

[@MiguelRodriguez-ok9rb]

They won't be able to do that not that much control their not. Rich enough to do that Satan is too strong for them the. Gb can't get rid of Satan

[@akatheheretic3014]

@@MiguelRodriguez-ok9rb Get Rid of Satan ?? 🤔 Hell , THEY Work for HIM !! 🧐 Is it Not Written : " If f Satan expells Satan . . HOW🤷 , WILL HIS KINGDOM STAND ?? " 🤨 👉📖 Matthew 12::26 ( Compare Luke 11:18 👈) 😉👍

[@SinnohGreen]

I agree. They’ll fall apart if they don’t extend their control to even more ridiculous degrees.

[@RCVideo-dh8cs]

Lloyd, thanks for all your great comments. I feel they will get rid of the mid week meeting and only have a Sunday meeting. They will offer the mid week meeting as an on line broadcast. Elder arrangement will be changed, they are not finding “qualified brothers”. So, they may reduce the duties of the Elders. My two cents.

[@tomjohnson8283]

Never change that intro music. It's perfect

[@shiznicks74]

And the outro music as well. Has he ever said whose music it is?

[@weakanklesfornamjoon]

@@shiznicks74 yup. Not Forever by Duplex Heart feat. Dinah Smith also Falling Apart by Aldenmark Niklasson 💕

[@informationyes]

The ends definitely going to happen in my life time said every JW ever

[@Blackwolf622]

Remember, THE END is right around the corner. HA!

[@lindamarcus129]

@@Blackwolf622 It's a threshold away.

[@barbarahedges1791]

@@Blackwolf622 I remember. So happy I was not going to grow old. And would not die either. 1975 was almost here. Did I misjudge the calendar? I am 88 and old. What happened to the watchtower. Back then I did not know they had told the end time and time again. LOL

[@andrewhaas664]

I approached a cart here in Adelaide, South Australia a couple of weeks ago. I’ve done this often but this time felt empty after my experience. The folks I approached were an Elder and two older women. I was trying to be informative but I was feeding off the response from the Elder and I became confrontational. One of the sisters looked at me as if I was Satanic and said “ I will not listen to you, I’m leaving”. She didn’t leave although she got out of her seat. When I asked them to do research re 607 BCE , and told them that no historian supports that date, the Elder said “ were leaving”. They packed up their cart and drove away. I didn’t feel any kind of victory and was disturbed by the experience for days. I felt so broken for them. That level of devotion to a cult leaves me hurting for them. I at one time was one of them. I at one time would have been offended by what I said.

[@andrewhaas664]

What disturbed me was the absolute fear in the eyes of the woman who threatened to leave. She was scared.

[@lordhalifax2466]

The future of watchtower seems bleak and sad, I gotta get my family outta there

[@theresaakins2317]

The organization is so different than when I 1st got in in 1979. And I got out of it in about 87 and since then the changes have been so great to. One would think that the governing body would want to try to hold on to members as much as possible and because of this they would relax the rules and try to help erring ones to get back into the truth. He would think that that is their disfellowship thing would be less strict in order to save members and get more money in donations. I really loved the soak it in district conventions where they had a lot more going on such ends the delicious hot cooked food and desserts except era

[@Johnnypensful]

They lie n know it...5 times bc ppl you always want to be long to something so many of them have left but the ones that don't leave is because they want to keep their friends

[@Johnnypensful]

They all have a brown book that has all the answers they don't have their own answers they'll tell you that there's enough room for people to live on Earth because there won't be no more Summit Ares no more hospitals and places like that these people actually Bill three places in Pennsylvania to live John the Baptist Abraham and someone else I forgot on the last time they thought the world was going to end I don't know if they still own the places but how would they know that they would want to live in Pennsylvania this is a cult religion and there are people that will continue to follow Colts they even tell you they look for sheep like people people that can't think for themselves

[@Johnnypensful]

I talked in the phone a lot of words come out wrong one of them was that there will be no more cemeteries no more hospitals this will make room for a lot of people to live on earth Etc

[@Johnnypensful]

I seen a documentary how they robbed the money and how ones that were true to the belief after 30 years have left because of that reason this has wasted many years of thinking go on with your life and enjoy it because it'll take the rest of your years trying to explain how wrong they are

[@patriciapierson3872]

WARWICK IS A BLOATED DISPLAY OF THEIR...”ARROGANCE”....

[@unplugged2842]

The GB on video was the start of the end! Being a bit mysterious was their trump card, but now the Pandora’s Box is open it can never be shut again.

[@geet77777]

Ive never met a jehovah witness who knew much about their own theology. They just try to look it up and tire you out while they rustle through their books. Or they filibuster about totally unrelated things. Then theyre like "I'm gonna ask an elder about that and get back to you" and I'm like "fuck it , you're an idiot".

[@mariyahmercier]

They don't have much Bible knowledge at all because they are dictated to and not allowed to think for themselves, I tell my family that are JW's since you can only get your information from what they publish or print they are giving you the question and the answer so you'll isn't gaining knowledge just the way they don't want you to, you'll can't question anything, when someone see the hypocrisy and false teaching, they are labeled as an apostate and others are forbidden not to talk to them, JW's are a cult that brainwash their members.

[@mariyahmercier]

@@spellbound111 I love my family and they love me but I made it clear long time ago, we can leave alone all together or we can talk to each other, it will never be that you can just peach to me, I have real knowledge now, not just a rehearsed presentation.

[@mariyahmercier]

@@spellbound111 Thanks and the same to you and your family! Shalom ❣️

[@mikeyoung1198]

I hate to break your heart but talk to this one let's debate that Bible backup what you say with scriptures defend your faith with scriptures when I was a Jehovah's Witness I always look forward to talking to the preacher and I posed in front of three preachers to defend their faith using only Bible scriptures and having no takers so I posed the question to you using only scriptures defend your Faith to me and I will do the same starting with you all sound like a bunch of murmurs do you know what the Bible says about murmurs do you know what the Bible says about the world will love what is its own Jesus said know this that the world has hated me first and it will hate you also sounds to me like you are all are a bunch of haters

[@mikeyoung1198]

@@spellbound111 sorry for the punctuation I'm not educated very well on that part I have to talk to this stupid thing I can't spell do you know how hard it is to talk on here have you ever tried to talk your phone or tablet to correspond it don't do punctuation I guess that means neither do I but I am no hater I'm just not a player but I don't lie to myself how do you justify yours

[@Nocturnalux]

We'll be seeing 'new light' to the effect that paying a thousand dollars in expensive liquor is Jehovah's desire and we are not to question it.

[@rdhawk929]

😅

[@ginamelton3729]

😂

[@webe383]

Only if a Governing Body member does it.

[@carllange4297]

For the wifey, of course

[@1810jeff]

Nocturnalux and to drive a new Cadillac, wear a Rolex and have 200+$ sneakers

[@ooklathemok7322]

Lloyd, Thanks! 1914 was so long ago no one alive remembers the events of that year. There are few people alive who remember wwll. You are spot on that 1914 has absolutely no meaning to anyone on earth. The teaching is done.

[@ironjohnlad]

Just remember that in the original teaching by Russell 1799 was the beginning of the end times. So moving them from 1914 is no big deal.

[@archangel5627]

Good Ole Nasty Judge Rutherford and his famous date changes and ludicrous doctrinal changes from Charles Taze Russell and all of the nonsensical Bullsh*t rules and Watchtower regulations that are mandated on rank and file JW’s! When you really dive deep into Rutherford and Watchtower history, it’s very clear and painstakingly obvious that Rutherford was Madman and a certifiable Quack of the Highest Order!

[@shanghaiberti4142]

I was an elder who left In 1998..almost everything I once believed in is now old thoughts and teachings,, I can't believe how teachings have changed i was school overseer and was shocked too see the school is no more... So sad that so many people have wasted their lives

[@susanneelisabethbiarinec6082]

My husband got disfellowshipped because he said 1914 was wrong ...He should be vindicated .. rest in peace Bob 💐

[@lachicarivers51demilo52]

Right before I went into my KZbin channel, I made the comment to myself that I hoped something really interesting was going to be presented today by the ex JW community. And there you were John in the first video that appeared. Loved listening to your speculation about future WT. You validated so much that has crossed my mind. Bravo again! ❤️

[@strawman12]

Love the ‘SHUNNED’ T-shirt. Cheers Adam

[@1chadmon]

Thanks so much for this fascinating video. You are spot on, I agree 100% with your thoughts. I look forward to the coming fancy footwork of the GB when they attempt to cover their multiple mistakes with more new light.

[@gbnomore3918]

The internet and channels like Cedars' are the "new light". The self-appointed GB have just blinded themselves to that fact. Or they're trying to blind it out of mind with some high dollar spirits.

[@EdwinNixon.1888]

Another great vlog Lloyd,always look forward to them

[@incognitofade9574]

Was on the live char but had to come back since I missed a few minutes! Love your commentary!

[@c.t8958]

Watchtower going bankrupt!!!! Is this why Tony is starting to stock up on WHISKEY? Could this be a sign!!😁

[@fernandocaceres123]

TRUTH SEEKER either that or they got tired of the wine and now they switched to scotch for a change for the memorial, next year is gonna be jägermeister

[@fancysfolly554]

Jehovah's Witness Nightmare Theater 😄

[@mikeyoung1198]

This guy don't even have his facts straight it wasn't about Jerusalem it was about the last king to sit on God's throne in 607

[@carolynlyfordsullivan1377]

I saw that film footage and couldn't stop laughing. He looked like a dirty old man getting a lot of alcohol.

[@Kindertautenleider]

ive never been a jw, I was a baptist. Been following you for well over a year. interesting and informative. thanks

[@sevrinvorndran351]

@Sgloobal can you explain the difference rather than just a general statement? I would love to know the difference having family on both sides of the coin and can therefore provide some rational explanation to both. Thanks!

[@Chomper750]

@@sevrinvorndran351There is no rational explanation for religious beliefs.

[@sevrinvorndran351]

@@Chomper750 then why are you investing your personal time bringing it up? Why is it required for everyone to follow your beliefs? Seems like a fascist concept.

[@wilderyah]

World English Bible “[W]hen a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn't follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.” Debarim (Deuteronomy) 18:22

[@MidnightAndLuna]

Exactly!!!

[@KN-mq9ce]

I can tell you the future looks bad for the pregnant parents and new born babies. After I resigned from being an elder few months ago I stopped going to the meetings completely. I thought I am never going back there, until last week when my pregnant wife pleaded with me to go with her to the KH because elders wanted to speak to her about a letter from the society regarding pregnant women. Apparently thete is a new directive called (S-55) for elders to hound down pregnant women, and call them to the back room to prep them on how to get hold of the HLC; Getting medical insurance in order to get assistance from private hospitals that are willing to perform blood less med procedures, appointing legal reps and getting them in contact with JW legal department. This seems like coerced faith to me. If I was god I would definitely not accept that type of worship were members are told what decisions to take by their leaders.

[@penniemcnamara5094]

This is a public lie to smear JW, half of u do not know who u toying with?????

[@alexandracastillo2135]

That is THE biggest lie I’ve ever read. You probably wasted about 15 minutes writing all that...Like you did this...for wut?

[@stuntedgrowth6410]

GB are writing this down as ideas. This video confirmed my typing of lloyd as an estj. Extroverted intuition at work here.

[@ginamelton3729]

It's changed fast, because I left in 2006 and already I barely recognize it as the same in many ways.

[@alphakid4582]

Gina Melton completely agree with you I left around 2012 and from time to time I will go to the memorial service to say hi to old friends and I don’t really recognize a lot of the teachings

[@CarolineJoyAmico]

I left in 06 too. MAN! When I was in, we were supposed to avoid excessive media. Now they’re all about the media. Things were HARD when I was in. 90 hours of pioneer service, 5 meetings per week... stuff like that. Now it’s all LAZY. Mentally lazy. Spiritually lazy. I feel cheated. I thought we were supposed to be all stodgy and... Yeah. My mom is still in. I guess I’m older and frumpier than her now. Now she’s cool, watching the conventions on her TV. Man, that would NEVER fly in my day.

[@CarolineJoyAmico]

spellbound111 Crazily enough, I didn’t. There were talks about how “apostates” question it, and why we shouldn’t. So I didn’t! I feel so dumb now, looking back.

[@ginamelton3729]

@@spellbound111 my husband who was JW always thought counting time was BS and corporate. He just refused to do it. But then you never get privileges refusing to comply. I questioned a lot of things, which is why I voluntarily left too. Both of us did.

[@CarolineJoyAmico]

spellbound111 -that’s such a kind response! You certainly didn’t offend, or make me have any negative flashbacks, but I do often wonder how I was so easily duped. I was born into it, though, so they shaped every viewpoint I had, from day one. I was 31 when I finally left, and that wasn’t even because I saw through it. It was because I was simply TIRED. The elders were playing games, my (now ex) husband was abusive, and permitted to be so. I got TIRED. But I thought I would die in Armageddon, because I still believed the theology. But thankfully, once out, I was able to meet non-JWs, who helped me take off the blinders. I’m so glad I got tired!

[@ToddLB4567]

This cult needs to be out of business in all citys and towns !

[@chevonne8492]

Exactly right..it is a business!

[@Chomper750]

All religion you mean..

[@roidroid]

Here's my prediction for the far future: they start with the 144,000th GENERATION teaching.

[@greghinkle6138]

Thanks Lloyd, it’s always a pleasure to get your input and incite on things!

[@eldencastillo4294]

Congrats, 47,000 subscribers !!

[@beautyRest1]

Elden Castillo I hope he gets 144000 subscribers 😃

[@amorypeace]

Beauty Rest 😂😂😂

[@sevrinvorndran351]

@@beautyRest1 you realize some will be required to unsubscribe so that it doesn't go over that number.

[@WitnessForJesus]

George Bauerschmidt lol!! 😂😂

[@jasonbowen5096]

Bunker is looking great! Thank you for your amazing videos Lloyd!!

[@eduardoprado2092]

Thank you, Lloyd, for your interesting predictions. As you suggested, it’s almost impossible to foretell what is going to happen to this religious group in the following years. As I see things, they have two choices: Either they continue promoting their views on the imminent end of the world (and that would require strengthening things like mind control, shunning, absurd rules, etc.) or they can decide to become something really different. If they opt for the latter choice, we can expect them to become something similar to the Seventh Day Adventists. In other words, a religious movement with a weird and crazy past that today doesn’t look too different from the big protestant denominations. In my opinion, becoming a much less apocalyptic group is the only way they can survive without too much damage. If they continue exploiting their followers, they way they have been doing this since the late 1800s, they´ll most probably lose everything they have accumulated so far: money, properties, followers, a system of beliefs. They simply cannot continue putting the apocalypse off indefinitely in the following years. Even their followers’ patience and credulity have a limit.

[@c.i.b.3104]

Great video! I'm German, and I think when we look at the history of Eastern and Western Germany, we might be able to predict some things. Successful people in power will never change things willingly. I believe there will be no reforms from the top down in the WTS unless the leaders are forced to implement them, either by circumstance or by law. When the Wall fell in Eastern Germany, there were two primary causes: Bankcruptcy and pressure from the people. The leaders feared they would lose everyhing if they did not give in to changes. I think it will be the same thing with the WTS. Maybe there will ne no real pressure from the members because they can just disfellowship reformers or people who express doubt, keeping things clean. But once they have no more money and the number of members sinks rapidly for a long time, the organization needs to make a choice: Keep being stuck in their ways and lose everything. Or change some things and stand a chance of survival.

[@c.i.b.3104]

@@spellbound111 I think you're right. Do you know what criteria have to be fulfilled to be considered a charity in your country? Is it possible to lose the status?

[@EXJWAnalyzer]

The two witness rule doesn't have to be abandoned. All the governing body has to do is have "new light" that obedience to the superior authorities includes reporting all abuse allegations so it can be investigated. That way they save face by not dropping the rule but save money and image by doing the right thing.

[@TheLloydus01]

JW and the 1914 problem... I'm an exJW, disfellowshipped for something I didn't do, and expertly shunned! I have a colourful history with the witnesses, and reason enough to dislike them/ seek revenge/ trash them or otherwise based purely on mistreatment. But all I ever focused on was whether they sported the "truth" as they claim. I had many issues regarding doctrine and prophecy. I told them in the 90s that moving the goal posts re the end and "this generation" would only work for so long. The current understanding is so ridiculous that I feel comfortable that it's a preamble for the next understanding which will seem more acceptable by comparison. Years ago I spoke with a historian who told me of "phantom time hypothesis", the notion that history was deliberately altered leaving us a few centuries out of balance. There are various takes on this, some put us only 150-170 years out, meaning our date of 2020 should be much lower, more like 1850 in reality. I've seen others who suggest only a few decades out, but I realised back then, that this was the JWs only hope of sticking to the 1914 ideology. As you have proven JWs think nothing of altering history and publicly opposing historians if facts don't fit their narrative. It's not a large stretch to see they could convince their indoctrinated followers that maybe Satan the Devil has misled us regarding the real date, any that deny this are in league with the Devil and gods organisation are the only ones appreciating the truth as they have fought for since Russel. You might think this is a stretch too far, however we can look at the example of people believing in the Flat Earth despite an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary. The growth in this belief is exponential, it's exploding online. And if it works, if they can find just the right research from someone they can risk quoting (I remember the anger I felt at the quote mining in the creation book, despite me still being in), then they're in good shape. 1914 is back on the table, and then why not 1918, 1925, 1975. All possible again. Sure they'll lose a few, but they'll gain more, people are desperate for theories like this that prove we are being conned and that God loves them... Well that's my thoughts, but I absolutely believe that if they research this and find the 'right' references, they'll realise this is their best option...

[@amruthavudathu1149]

8:50 'chaps...do you think we mightve got that one wrong?' cant...stop...laughing

[@gbnomore3918]

Now off to the strategy room with the attorneys and the spin doctors to strategize how we can camouflage this as "NEW LIGHT!"

[@milham76]

Yes, that made me laugh too.

[@caroljenkins6972]

I love how they decide who Is going to heaven, isn't that Gods job?

[@jessicamarsh400]

I recently had a dream where in 5 yrs the JW organization is just gone. And my parents come to me and apologize for their behavior toward my children and myself. Sometimes I wonder if things like this are really a dream. As always great video ❤

[@unassignedvlog5556]

The other planet discussion already happens. "Who knows what will happen after Gods day of rest.'

[@krissykatportal]

Another excellent video. Thank u for all ur hard work.

[@leopoldtheseconed8526]

The last CO we had clearly said we had 100% meeting attendance. Everyone looked at each other and thought what. We all know that’s just not true. Now I am learning lots of peoples COs have said the same to there congregations. It’s like they are downplaying the stagnation in growth or even I wouldn’t be surprised that the numbers are being padded.

[@mrs.baileytoo9692]

That happened to me several yrs ago so I knew elders were lying & inflating numbers. It was such an obvious & bold face lie. 🤥😤

[@christyb.2272]

After 30 years, my husband and I walked away also. But after being one of the walking wounded for 20 years saying to ourselves, what do we believe now - we decided that the JW;s are not God and are not the Bible. We picked up the Bible again and began studying and now we believe that while the JW’s had a lot wrong, and a lot was missing, some of what they said was correct. The Bible is clear about the last days, etc. and that has given us something to really hang on to. I hope people don’t throw away Go and the Bible with the JW’s. John you have the most comforting, calming voice

[@GreenHotDogz]

Even growing up as a kid, when they would always remind you of the new system and talk about all the grown foods to eat and animals to play with, it was never something that I adored like the way they do. I always said that i didnt want to "live forever" in a world like that.

[@korolr]

This is a formidable display of intelligent "blue sky"-ing. Thank you, Lloyd!

[@luxotterpup213]

Not to mention that, since lions will be sitting with lambs instead of eating them, all of today's carnivores will be switching to a vegetarian diet, and thus resulting in even more burden on the less than one acre of land per person to produce food for everyone.

[@rodywithers3536]

JW organization has successfully transformed a traditionally “normal” Christian belief of going to heaven into a litmus test of doctrinal purity. Who’d have thought that having the heavenly hope makes you a potential target of character speculation - and even slander - among your spiritual brothers and sisters. Such is the transformative power of group pressure combined with a restrictive belief ( the literal number, 144,000).

[@beckyg927]

Thanks for another great video Lloyd!

[@truthseekeratheist9105]

The more doctrines that Jehovah’s Witnesses give up makes the religion look more and more like contemporary Christianity

[@MelquanKatz]

"Frum the Bunkah." I love how you say that (Also how you say "Says" exactly how it reads. in America we say Sez but i'm sure this has already been say'd 😀). My fiance's family is two generations deep in the organization. I looked up information like yours in order to understand what I was dealing with. Thank you. You are very thorough and your videos have helped me completely get it.

[@leopoldtheseconed8526]

Just watching this again and got to thinking about that scripture you used on the love cooling off. Well I will say this. Since I have woke up I have met exJws that I have encountered to happy caring people ready to help and very supportive. Active Jehovah’s Witnesses on the other hand I find to be cold hearted and just unhappy people. Lacking any kind of love by shunning there families. Turning on them like wolves if you dare ask some questions. It seems the greater number that’s cooling it’s love off is Jehovah’s Witnesses.

[@tanyadepoalo9085]

Leopold Theseconed So true!

[@gbnomore3918]

There a few true hearted ones, maybe 20-30%. My family member who is still active with his family has been in for at least 25 years said to me: "More than half of the ones I know are CRAZY!!" LOL.

[@magalieaugustin5091]

I believe one day the GB members will disappear without notice, poors elders they will be so confused it will be a complete chaos.

[@CarolineJoyAmico]

WITH their whisky.

[@12presspart]

in other words the jw,s will become like house churches

[@MiguelRodriguez-ok9rb]

I. Really hope you're right about that

[@MidnightAndLuna]

Wouldn’t it be nice if they disappeared because they get convicted for being complicit in the abuse of thousands of children.

[@Yah_Weii]

Watch the a-list leaders and presidents of the corporations/organizations dissolve the society and cashout and disappear 👀….

[@latonyasmith683]

I can't remember what convention we were at when on the plat form they slightly mentioned visiting other worlds! We were meeting at the sea gate in Ohio!

[@holirumicsfriend]

Fantastic as always! Very useful! Hopefully this org will be gone someday! Thanks!

[@stevejeffries1603]

I would really love iif therre was a live television where Lloyd and team met wit Governing body members and they have at least a good hours discussion Lloyd a nd team are allowed to ask whatever they like and likewise with the GB members they do the same. I would really like to see Governing body members be more open instead of being so evasive like they. Their JW broadcasting is simply not good enough whatsoever because they completely control that and its a one way street Church leaders wouldnt have a problem witjh it and if this is genuinely a public ministry then come on lets have this All this evasive behaviour is wrong and makes you cringe

[@MiguelRodriguez-ok9rb]

I. Completely agree with that comment you made that would nice if that occurred

[@phoenixchick5088]

Only in ex jw community wildest dreams..that would be awesome tho .. like the R Kelly interview with Gayle King 🤣 ,Governing Body version. Their responses would "give away" their guilt just like R Kelly did

[@gemmel3197]

The organisation will be around in 100 years. There will always be people who want an oracle to tell them want to do and confirm all their personal prejudices.

[@lasbukowy]

Maybe it will exist or maybe not. Only taxes and death are certain in human life. Only time can verify the history.

[@dantoinettetaylor1663]

@@jehovahswitnessnightmareth7441 I doubt it that they will disappear in 5 years. There are 8 million of them. The Quakers are still around but only just in tiny numbers. That's how the Watchtower will be.

[@stevewalker2962]

I'm surprised they haven't got a Patreon setup as a way to get more funds coming in lol

[@stiffneck8220]

Steve Walker nsfw snapchats incoming! Yes please LAWD

[@archangel5627]

Haha!!! I can totally see the governing body set up a Patreon and ask for donations in that capacity!

[@weakanklesfornamjoon]

24:30 great point Lloyd. Ours is to watch for not the tumbling down of Warwick necessarily, but for the closing of worldwide branches one by one.

[@enchanted2609]

I love attending your KZbin meetings 😊 🙏🏻 and love the tshirt 👕😆

[@danelevalley4895]

Lloyd, in the last two weeks I have written two emails stating my intention to disassociate. The elders keep saying they will get back to me. Then yesterday, they invite me to sit down for a shepherding call at the Kingdom Hall on Wednesday. There are many things causing me to disassociate but the kicker is the two witness rule. I’m going to record it. Is this typical in trying to disassociate? They are trying to keep me in. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[@rodywithers3536]

You are right on the money about the blood issue not becoming so fraught in the future due to medical advances. Even now, a range of medical procedures - especially non-emergency ones - can be done without blood whereas at one time blood was “needed”. Emergency Departments, of course, are an entirely different proposition. Advances on blood substitutes highlight the absolute and utter indispensability of human blood in emergencies. There are simply no substitutes. In instances of sudden massive loss of blood volume ( e.g., industrial and/or vehicle accidents), blood refusal or non availability of rare blood types is almost always a death sentence. Strangely - or perhaps understandably! - JW organization seldom if ever acknowledges JWs high vulnerability to death in emergency medical scenarios but proceeds to talk about rare exceptions of survival. Lastly, you mention policy “”climbdowns”” (excellent phrase, BTW): Already in New Zealand, the state automatically steps in and takes over parental decision-making when medical teams deem that a child needs blood. JW parents simply accede to the state’s directives with virtually no legal fuss. We’ve had a couple of high publicity cases in the past decade in which I can almost detect relief on the parents’ part when medically necessary transfusions are state-ordered for the children of JW parents. Gone are the days when JW parents pulled out the big legal guns and/or martyred their children by kidnapping them from hospitals (the recent instance in the UK was not about “saving” the child from blood but obtaining medical procedures from another hospital in another country).

[@Israel2.3.2]

I firmly believe that any teaching can be altered. I remember telling my aunt that the flood story was a lynchpin of sorts and that if the flood failed to occur then one could not in good conscience believe in the Witness faith. She looked at me quizzically and remarked, "How come? Why would the fact that the flood never occurred mean that it isn't the truth?" After our conversation it occurred to me that many witnesses don't share my 'Reasoning book' mentality. Many Witnesses are very much like my aunt. These are ones who could obtain a degree in evolutionary biology and still fail to see the truth of evolution because the Watchtower literature denies its veracity. When your notion of truth comes from the literature you will readily adjust your reality to accord with changing light, you will convince yourself that the light gets brighter and that however odd these changes may seem they must be true, they must be true because it is Jehovah's organization and he cannot be wrong. Any doctrine can be altered without fear of losing congregants because what some of us see as foundational lynchpins are to many witnesses just window dressing that may be freely altered.

[@bigskypioneer1898]

*I wouldnt't be surprised if the JW GB eventually get rid of the annual meetings **_because_** they don't want members comparing notes with each other about 'New Light' contradicting old doctrine or membership shrink or about the volume of people being shunned.* When my former cult started to experience the "internet" phenom and as a result began to shrink (and this was in 1999) -- one of the 1st things to go after the publications was the annual meetings. At the time they explained it away by saying that we should be able to get our spiritual food and fellowship with the ekklesia in _our own regions_ (aka city) with perhaps an "annual" meeting in the state or equivalent. *But what actually wound up happening was* the state level leaders just began travelling around the state and our local branch would have a Bible Study "Weekend" Also we started having "Hookup to HQ" Sundays - where local leadership was cut out all together in favor of a phone/video hookup with our International HQ. From an outsider's perspective - I believe JW's are _already_ doing something like this with the JW .org family night?? (not sure of how it is structured). Another benefit to stopping annual meetings is that regions will become that much _more_ isolated - leading them to assume that the problems with membership and their own private questions are just a product the adversary being more active in their area. Which, of course, works out great for the folks at HQ because now they have a whole new way to shame their members, extract increasing funds to 'fight the good fight' *_as well as_* add to the persecution complex. Cults become more and more insulated as the message begins to breakdown when it conflicts with the reality members see, cognitive dissonance or not. We have example after example of this. Interestingly, my old cult is still around. But it is _significantly_ smaller and less influential. There will always be a % that will never waver when it comes to their programming. Additionally, there is % that won't exit just because they don't want to give up their "status" or admit X number of years of their life was in service to a lie. So as you say Lloyd, there will likely always be JW's - the question is, will they remain a viable religion in 1st & 2nd world countries in another 40 years?

[@dantoinettetaylor1663]

This is what I imagine the Watchtower organisation to become ... just like the Quakers!

[@citricazany]

40 yrs ago there was speculation about living on other planets. Bros even brought that out in talks. And the reasoning was that obviously there was a purpose for so many galaxies and perhaps when everyone is perfect there would be space travel. So, you’re not too far off, it has been talked about in the org

[@btammarineable]

Hey question? Arent you from Australia. Maybe i missed this but did i hear you say you live in CROATIA? As in like CROATIA on thr boarder of Hungary Serbia and Bosnia.......that Croatia?

[@dantoinettetaylor1663]

His wife is Croatian and he is British. He lives in Croatia with his wife and 2 kids

[@aimeeblum4969]

I appreciated your comment about how many changes are happening.

[@MagickalMermaid]

What about the "Go Bags", Lloyd? Have you done a video about that? I'm really concerned 😕

[@patriciaavenmarg5927]

I am, too. Of course, asking my mother about this she was extremely vague. They leave everything behind, take their "Go Bag," and go where and do what?? Go hide somewhere for how long?? How long then before the Koolaid gets served??? That scares the crap out of me

[@HD7100]

If I remember right; when Rutherford took control there was a splt when some broke away and created their own organization. I think there was also a split in 1935 but it's been a while since I looked into the history of the JWs. I think that as kingdom halls are sold off and congregations are merged that there may be some split-offs happening again.

[@deletedauto6542]

I remember they told our then congregation about keeping up with Jehovah’s celestial chariot . Cementing in the minds that huge changes are gonna take place

[@rhdtv2002]

As one JW told me..Jehovah has blessed you another chance so you should be thankful those days (prophecies of 1914 1925 1975..etc) did not get fulfilled Whatdaheck..

[@m.a.sperry3424]

Just watched your interview with your wife, Dijana. She is not only a very beautiful woman, visually, but also presents as a beautiful person. She is poised, graceful. smart and I submit, a wonderful mother and partner. I also watched your story, and am so very glad that you two were able to resolve your difficulties., a testament to both of your characters. I love your videos and always look forward to you being on AXP with Matt. Your calm demeanor contrasts with Matt's nicely. I do like Matt, but he tends to be a bit terse with people, though I can't blame him, because the narrative is so stale and repetitive. So glad you made it out and are using your knowledge and understanding to help others. The best to you and your family from Toronto, Canada.

[@satanicduality7035]

Well,..someone is a Star Wars fan. ;)

[@tomjohnson8283]

Who isn't

[@PhilJonesIII]

Wasn't Darth Vadar a Circuit Overseer? No less intimidating, that's for sure.

[@dowlingthebakuninbot7691]

The diminished Stormtrooper in the background tells us the force is strong with you.

[@MrCaradras]

Hey John! Great video as always! :-) When you made that 1914 video you mentioned, did you already consider the JWs explanation for this topic on watchtower library? I checked it a while ago and found out that there is one from their side for the 587/607 debate.

[@LloydEvans]

Yes, I believe I referenced WT attempts to say they know better than historians and archeologists. Carl Olof Jonsson published excellent rebuttals to that material.

[@MrCaradras]

@@LloydEvansGreat! Thanks a lot for your response.

[@bequisanfigueiredo2841]

One helder in my ex Kingdom Hall said that they are reducing the number of magazines because the end is really near. Soon they will start giving messages of judgment 😒

[@alans.wendelschafer6588]

I was told that. At the time, I was like, "Whoa!" Now, I have been waking up these last few months. It's quite a journey.

[@mornevandermerwe2263]

Difficult to get rid of excellent books such as concordance, aid to Bible understanding, insight on the scriptures. All of those still on my bookshelf too...

[@rajanogray9088]

Was Kevin McFree's channel taken down? Is there anything we can do to help????? EDIT: I checked back later and it was back up. I may have panicked a bit too much given all that has happened. But for a period of a few hours I was getting a message of "This channel is unavailable".

[@rajanogray9088]

@Skjeren Kristjenson Sorry to panic you, I just checked again and the videos seem to be back Maybe a glitch in software? Maybe something else? But for a brief peried it said something like " this channel is unavailable."

[@rajanogray9088]

@Skjeren Kristjenson Sorry, I may have over reacted after hearing of Watchtower's legal attacks on ex-JW's ans PIMOs.😄

[@EddyGordo21]

Mr cedars: I have a coworker who is 80 yrs old. She will not allow the doctor to even take her own blood and extract the plasma (her own plasma) and put it back in her body. She said that as soon as it leaves the body she can't have it back.... I grew up JW but I didn't know it was THAT bad

[@richardvsassoon5144]

As a young recruit (22 years old) a well respected elder (anointed) saw me accidentally cut my finger tip and then quickly put it in my mouth and he took me to task for not taking the blood issue seriously...

[@celialehannehollon8567]

I predict that “theocratic education” will expand to trade skills/junior college courses provided for a suggested donation tuition, perhaps with Warwick as a campus. A compromise on higher education.

[@rickybobby2687]

I just noticed the “Telly” award on the shelf. Ahh that brings back some good memories of JW embarrassment. I wonder if they’ll pay for any more awards in the future...

[@adrianneavenicci]

Ricky Bobby I don’t know what that’s about? Did I miss something?

[@rickybobby2687]

Adrianne Avenicci Basically Watchtower society paid for a generic award to give themselves good PR by writing an article about how they received the reward in recognition of something. Anyone can pay a fee and receive the reward for doing nothing. If you want to know more Loyd has a video about it on his channel. Just search “John Cedars Telly award”

[@adrianneavenicci]

Ricky Bobby thanks I’ll check it out. I’m still working my way through his videos.

[@MidnightAndLuna]

Wow! That is the most desperate thing I’ve heard them do. I’m sure David Miscavige will do that too if they haven’t already

[@alans.wendelschafer6588]

I wanna get a Telly, but don't have the money.

[@j.stephenson6468]

That idea about other planets is so, so interesting. So what if aliens come down, they may or may not recognize even know Jesus or Jehovah. I disagree (a bit) with Lloyd about the number of people able to live on earth. The earth is almost 3/4 water. But with if mankind in general did not have to be plagued by war, hunger, crime, etc.? We could focus our energies on technology. With all the talent around the world, and if people work together from country to country, the right technology could be conceptualized. The right technology could lead to beautiful multi-leveled underground and underwater cities.

[@deborahmccauley717]

love your Video's and all the great information you give

[@andreholder1540]

Good afternoon. Sir what are your thoughts on the. Jehovah's Witnesses movement here in the Caribbean your thoughts would be appreciated thanks.

[@Penningtontj]

They could also move away from printed media so people can't say "Well you said this in that publication then, but you've changed now" if you force them onto a manipulable online service...

[@57koop]

Thank you cedars

[@archangel5627]

The other aspect that no Ex-JW Activist have stated or mentioned about all of the Kingdom Hall closings and Watchtower moving towards only using JW Broadcasting, is that once you remove the Kingdom Halls, JW’s will loose a considerable amount of closeness to the organization. I think by that point most Pimo’s will leave. The Kingdom Halls are a huge part of the JW community and once that’s gone Watchtower will inadvertently loose a huge portion of their control on rank and file witnesses. Not to mention that local elders will loose a chunk of their power as well. So Watchtower May be making a ton of money on the sales of these Kingdom Halls but in a way it stands to reason that this move may not be in there favor as much as they would like to believe. Food for thought.

[@dangerboy8023]

I think it’s interesting question because their growth is slowing down in Developed countries (as we all know). In my opinion these are two potential changes. 1: Growth in Africa, Africa is currently seeing massive growth of evangelicals religions and JWs fit into this category. It’ll give JWs numbers massive growth as Africa is projected to have over a billion inhabitants and the youngest population of the seven continents. 2: Increased shunning rules, particularly towards individuals who’ve faded. In this way they’d like to bring the faded individuals back in the fold. JWs truly believe this method works.

[@senseisaitama8447]

Hello lloyd, thanks for answering in Facebook

[@warrenpierce5542]

I live on an area growing in general population because of local economic boom. I have observed a phenomenon I call move and fade. My local congregation grew from move ins and kid baptisms but only two studies advancing and baptized per year. Then I noticed that the move ins would announce a move, quit showing up., however I would see them around town after they "moved".

[@celestehiddleston5395]

Warren Pierce lol

[@happyhippiehomeschool]

Man that end slate music always gets me. It's so relaxing!

[@HGANGHONY]

When they built Warwick, I bet they had resale value on their minds. They know they're crumbling, there's no outside support that can bring exoneration. As usual, you're spot on in my opinion Mr. Cedars.

[@janeenmitchell1816]

So if you believe you are part of the 144,000 you might be emotionally/mentally unbalanced, if you leave the organization you must be emotionally/mentally unbalanced. So you’re only stable if you just fall in line and keep your mouth shut and not question them. Got it.

[@annemariefrank]

I think maybe Watchtower needs to have a serious talk to Scientology about that overcrowding stuff...these folks have some experience in this matter... 20 billions on earth, that would make it necessary for another galactic leader like Xenu to come and take a bunch to another planet... Maybe they could rent some old DC-8 from him... Otherwise it could get a little uncomfortable down here... ;-) (Now seriously, great job, Lloyd!!! Thanks for all those videos, I'm now corona-bingewatching, it's very interesting and your reasonable, calm and light-hearted thoughts are super enjoyable! Keep up the good work, I already used the knowledge to inform some people around my social media about the real truth of JWs!)

[@boudicasb8523]

The other planet idea was mooted about in one of the congregations I attended about ten years ago by quite a few people....I remember a few sisters insisting they wanted to travel to other planets when the earth got full

[@adamheckathorn5319]

Wow.

[@TheBlimpFruit]

Yeah I remember the same thing being mentioned

[@PhilJonesIII]

There were a few sisters for whom I would have paid the fare.

[@dianesicgala4310]

Thank you Lloyd for all your research and hard work. I fully agree with you. The Watchtower is going down..

[@tamp4x]

the statistic of how many people partook in the emblems from 2018, where did you find that statistic? my wife is a jw and is asking. she says it is only 8000

[@thedirtyburger1485]

13:08 They would go out into space and preach "The good new of the kingdom" to the entire universe. They would just make it out to be "New Light" "Passed down from the governing body". everyone would go along with it. they are such "Mold-able People" "Like Clay".

[@mikeyoung1198]

And I guess scripturally that's not all bad being as you referred to them as clay and Isaiah 64 verse 8 Jehovah's people refer to themselves as clay in Jehovah is there Potter I guess that means that Jehovah does mold and shape them hhhhhm go figure can I get an amen

[@gbnomore3918]

@@mikeyoung1198 Sure...A, man! That refers to God molding people to be happier and better persons with hope for the future by His help. Not being molded by a bunch of boozers living in a lavish lakeside resort, having all their needs cared for and traveling around the world on God's dime (donated by the sheep)! That's the kind of clay those GooBers love.

[@Sera-Marie]

My dad is a mini whenever we discuss JW stuff he tells me I can't believe KZbin stuff. I told him I had more chance getting TTATT from there than I am from the JW alone no one on KZbin is telling me what I can or can't watch, funny how that always comes from your side, also how do i know you won't throw in a bit of theocratic warfare? My dad's answer was you don't. I told him I would stick to KZbin.

[@dwightkincaid4590]

Where do you get the music for your show?