WHAT HAPPENED TO AMERICAN CINEMA? | Film Threat Versus

[@24framedavinci39]

We allowed people to have positions of power who didn't earn it. That's what happened.

[@travisspazz1624]

Example?

[@andrewfaye652]

D…..E…..I (Marxism) Solidified into every policy during COVID

[@calfowler6838]

​@travisspazz1624 a lot of these directors and wtiterd

[@wesman808]

I believe that some movie critics are to blame. They called movies with strong male protagonists “outdated” and “problematic”, and stories with universal messages were “boring” and “tired”.

[@pistonburner6448]

It's the people paying the movie critics which are to blame. They were paid by organizations of a certain political persuasion to do exactly that. If the incentive for maintaining their career was something else, they'd sing that tune.

[@BillyJ-NJ2DMV]

I hear the term “jingoistic” a lot. Critics don’t think we (USA) should ever be the good guys. They don’t think we ARE the good guys

[@BillyJ-NJ2DMV]

Reagan NOT the problem, Rob

[@Omar-wq9dz]

But also, a good majority of American movies now are just not that good, with varying reasons why whether it’s studio mandates or not hiring the right people to make the films

[@remuslazar2033]

​@BillyJ-NJ2DMV you Americans are the only thing that stands in the way of a global Russsian-Chinese dictatorship. So, America must remain America 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🦅

[@BlackCatsXVII]

America needs to make more movies like Top Gun Maverick, pro america movie, respecting both men and women's capability, and a show of badass action scenes.

[@stephennootens916]

People talk about how great Maverick was but I found it dull as dish water. The overall plot was the same as the first one pretty much and the only thing it had going for it was the flying scenes which I could give to shits about.

[@BlackCatsXVII]

@@stephennootens916 I'd say the romance part was dull most of all, I wish it focused more on the personnal life of the kid who's going to be the next maverick. If anything he should've had the romance narrative arc and it would've helped me care more for the kid. Otherwise i didn't mind too much about it being the same plot as the first one, although i agree, the flying scenes heavily carry the movie. I'm not calling it a masterpiece, but it was a step in the right direction

[@soshiderek]

Highway to the danger zone! Also, 80's Transformers movie still the best! 🚗🚙

[@Leetheblackvoid99]

Rob nails this. I love watching movies while being introspective. People nowadays wants characters to be a copy paste of themselves. Which is boring.

[@JohnSmith-tl8pq]

It's not just the US film identity that has died out. The Australian and British have as well.

[@GirththeCinephile]

The movies back then had so much soul and felt like there was always something to say. I'm 24 years old and absolutely loved The Verdict

[@lifegood3322]

A movie back in the day could change the course of an individuals life and a lot of people approached it with just that attitude! Most people don't even realize what we've lost and definitely have no idea how to get it back! Sad!

[@aRayCPic]

It's incredible how movies can transport us, especially during times when we might have needed that escape the most. Being a 70s baby the magic of those 80s films-where stories seemed larger than life yet relatable-truly shaped a generation. They had this way of making you feel like you were part of the adventure, no matter where you came from. Growing up in the ghetto and seeing the lack of representation in those films, but still finding joy and connection in the stories. I went from watching movies in awe to analyzing them during the film.

[@auradjinns]

RMB always spitting facts! Even audiences views of directors was different back in the day. Directors were seen as versatile, able to direct films of various genres (action, drama, comedy, romance, etc.). Now folks act like if a director makes a film in one genre then that’s the only genre they’re capable of tackling.

[@EddieHenderson92]

Most of Hollywood hate America and sadly that won't change in the near future. One good thing is we can all find entertainment these days from other markets/independent movies or shows.

[@optimusprime5686]

Name one anti war movie? one...they don't exist because when they make any movie about war they work with the arm forces and the arm forces review the scrips,,, it's all Rah Rah america kick ass. What movie came out with it's premise of hating america? This is a BS argument, this entire thing sounds like old man yelling at clouds.

[@EddieHenderson92]

@@optimusprime5686 I can't help it if the truth upsets you, little lady.

[@TheColonelKlink]

Make America American again.

[@newwavepop]

I think the closest chance we have to a good patriotic American show is if they give "Johnny Lawrence" a spin off. it will be like "The Incredible Hulk or Kung Fu or Highway To Heaven or something, where he just hitch hikes and roams around and just keeps running into good conservative small town people that need help against some bad local business man or something. it can be like a new take on Roadhouse every week.

[@D.A.B-w7n]

2012 kids, that’s when any studios that were left were swallowed up by international mega-corporations. It’s all been going downhill since then and it will never recover until it falls apart. Corporate and art are anathema to each other. One can’t make the other, they seek to destroy each other.

[@markstrong1328]

this is very sad and true. not gonna be a positive outcome cause of it. when the mega corps swallow up the little guys. only one direction they will go.

[@Wdavidmetzger]

Ive been saying for years now the lack of patriotic movies in this country really says something. Member spidey in front of the flag post 9/11? Promise that was half the tickets sold.

[@optimusprime5686]

I will asure it would have made money even if that scene was not there..Also they got cringy with that in spidey, the scene at the Brooklin bridge where they were all "mess with one of us, you mess with all of us" cringy. And what you seems to just want American Propaganda, nationalistic dribble. Top Gun was a good action movie, doesnt mean everything has to be a Rah Rah we are so awesome movies....China Cinema has gone that way and Chinese Cinema just puts out awful, nationalistic gingoistic dribble.

[@Wdavidmetzger]

@optimusprime5686 pretty big difference between patriotism and nationalism. Patriotism inspires love for your neighbors and civic responsibility. Without it we are all just a nation of strangers.

[@sterling7]

Even our "bad guys" aren't supposed to have the kind of flaws that heroes did in the 70s and 80s. Depending on their demographics, heroes either have no significant flaws, we're supposed to believe those flaws are virtues (so what if she alienates everyone, she doesn't need anyone who isn't automatically on board), or they need to be so humiliated and disempowered for having those flaws that they essentially cease to be heroes. Villains are either paper thin or borderline sympathetic... And they certainly wouldn't call anyone anything "problematic". That would be mean.

[@hungchoonghow5857]

Penguin said it best in the 1992 "Batman Returns" movie. "Things change.."

[@johngaltjkt62]

You couldn’t carry my husband out of a fire.’ Which, my response is, he got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.” .... Kristen Larson

[@andrewshanley2704]

My daughters and their friends are more consumed with their phones than movies. It's sadly ironic that Hollywood is literally on fire right now.

[@deepzone31]

Irony would also be if it all started with an overheated iphone battery and a gust of wind.

[@JRRob3wn]

I don’t allow my daughter to have access to a smart phone. As a result, she’s much more intellectually curious. Instead of watching tik tok videos, she watches documentaries, old movies and reads.

[@shrimboi8909]

I'm dying for great TV show. so I started rewatching Northern Exposure episodes. Man... great dialogues and writings. Feel good after every episode. There u go...

[@Otokichi786]

I have my pick of the five "Star Trek" series on MeTV-owned "Heroes & Icons" channel. Even the lowest rated "Star Trek: Enterprise" episode looks like Shakespeare, compared to today's "post modern/DEI/ESG" garbage.

[@vashstampede4459]

Jack Reacher & Mission Impossible are some of the few examples left of American cinema.

[@StickySyrupEverywhere]

I'm older than any of you. I was a movie and TV junkie once. Access to far more than most, with one of those big sat dishes back when the airwaves were open. All that's beside my point, which is that at some point around 2012 or 2014 something inside clicked and scripted whatever was suddenly very lacking. Now I don't care what some screenwriter conjures up. The format has come to nauseate me! There are exceptions of course. But for the most part I would rather watch real people talk about things in the original YT format. And now they're ruining that! It's too big to go into depth in your comment section.

[@freedone.]

This!

[@JRRob3wn]

IMO Hollywood has forgotten the language of film. I rarely watch modern films, but when I do, most have awful scripts, bad CGI, poor editing and are boring and nearly incomprehensible. I attempted to watch the Fall Guy the other day and that movie is a giant, meandering mess. It’s almost like they didn’t even have a script, they had a plot summary and winged it, then randomly slapped some footage together. Other than a very small handful of directors out there, most of whom are over the age of 50, I think there is very little talent remaining in Hollywood.

[@SaviorCross]

There are audience for films for The Verdict, and if friends like Rob keep saying "there are no audience" for these movies, people will believe it. Yet, when I watched Top Gun Maverick with my 9th graders, average age 14-15 years old, let out an audible gasp when Maverick was shot down, they were shocked. We can talk about hardship, yet the hardships may be different form what Rob experienced.

[@peternincompoop1823]

When you make things for everyone, you make things for no one

[@Otokichi786]

Especially the mythical "modern audience."

[@rexmoss]

"National Treasure" (2004): Disney could make a patriotic movie without DEI superimposed. It was fun with action with enjoyable humor.

[@shakeemwinn3647]

Whenever you see movies about young people. It all deal with parties, sex or drugs. Which is complete B.S. the majority of our youth are just trying to keep their heads above water. I wish Hollywood would make more films about scenarios like that .

[@francisdorcell6952]

Plenty of movies like that you just have to find them.

[@shakeemwinn3647]

In theatres? When I was coming up in the 80's, 90's and early 00's films about youth were marketed very well to the public. Try to release Garden State to the public today. It would flop at the Cineplex. Look at Anora. That's a great film. If it had been released fifteen, twenty years ago; it would be a very successful money maker.

[@shakeemwinn3647]

You're right. It's just too bad they no longer get the marketing they once did in the 80's, 90's, and early 00's. Try releasing Garden State today. It would flop.

[@Dantegrey1]

DON'T wish for film boards. The biggest Danish Movie Mogul (the producer of Lars von Triers films) was pushed aside a few years ago during the metoo era. What he talked about, was these Consultants, denying support because there was a caricature of Greta Thunberg in the script, and that sort of thing. We have had these types of "consultants" for decades. They are informally known as the stereotype "Women With Heavy Amber Jewelry", and in the 70s and 80s, they made sure that we had as little as possible Anerican content (and especially Disney) on tv. These people are still in charge of almost all of our cultural institutions, they are as woke as can be, and if you decide to centralise the American film industry. That is what will happen.

[@stephennootens916]

Here is how it goes in the US. If a film is about the military or has any minor connection to the military as I'm the first Iron Man it can get support from the military (the CIA does this too) but to get that help they have to get the script OK by the Military not because the military wants it to be as they say in the video a correct but because they want to make sure the US military looks good. The cops do this as well for movies and shows since like the fifties if you make so!drying that is pro cops you get support if not they say fuck you. Many a movie has been made with massive US Military support. On the other hand movies like your classic Vietnam war movies such as platoon had to other governments and ask them to use their military equipment because the US Military said FUCK NO since those movies were not pro military.

[@Dantegrey1]

@stephennootens916 This is indeed a type of political manipulation, but a very different one. You are not talking about the Cultural Institutions, dealing with art, but specific government units that have specific interest in the right kind of propaganda for their own departments, making demands in return for help. I remember being disappointed in Ridley Scott (back when I had some respect for the man), when he made sure to get as much help as possible from the Army doing Black Hawk Down by letting them decide by reading the script. This is bad, but very different from the type of cultural gate keepers, that consistently keep politically "wrong" culture from a population. Any private company would have done the same as the Government Departments does in America - a Governement department just shouldn't do it.

[@JRRob3wn]

An American film board would approve nothing but rainbow mafia propaganda films and would become yet another pointless black hole of money like PBS.

[@SaviorCross]

I broke down the early part of the con and here is my insight... -American Cinema’s Identity Crisis- Rob says America no longer has a cinematic identity but spends a lot of time reminiscing about its strong identity in the past, highlighting iconic filmmakers and movies. It’s a bit contradictory-he’s pointing out what’s missing while proving it existed. Global Market vs. Cultural Export He criticizes Hollywood for focusing on the global market and catering to the "lowest common denominator," but he also admires how other countries use films to export their culture. It’s like he’s torn between wanting America to do the same while disliking the influence of global audiences. -Diversity vs. Relatability- Rob mentions that modern movies focus too much on diversity and create "perfect" characters that are hard to connect with. But at the same time, he praises flawed, relatable characters from the past-even when those films featured diverse stories. Audiences Today vs. Yesterday He talks about how today’s audiences are "infantilized" and distracted, unlike in the past, but also praises action-packed movies like Rambo from those "better" times. It feels like he’s nostalgic for movies that were both thoughtful and fun but holds today’s audiences to a higher standard. -Hollywood Disconnect vs. Market Reality- Rob says Hollywood has lost touch with audiences, but also notes that studios cater to the global market because fewer Americans are watching movies. If Hollywood is just following where the money is, are they really that out of touch? -Depth vs. Simplicity- He celebrates thoughtful, introspective movies like The Verdict while also fondly remembering simpler action films like First Blood. It’s a bit of a mixed message-does he miss depth, escapism, or both? -Government Involvement in Film- Rob doesn’t like the idea of the U.S. government getting involved in film, but he admires other countries’ government-backed film programs. It’s a bit of a double standard-he wants that cultural push but doesn’t want it to feel too controlled. Modern Stories Have Nothing to Say? He claims modern movies don’t ask the tough questions anymore, but then mentions introspective films still being made, like the indie movie about PTSD and veterans. It’s like he knows those films exist but thinks they don’t have the same impact. In the end, Rob’s arguments seem to come from a place of frustration with how things have changed, but his own points show there’s more complexity to the story. It’s not all bad-he just misses the balance between thoughtful storytelling and widespread appeal. Just my thoughts..

[@markstrong1328]

couldnt agree more. his points are often like those he knows and talks with about films. they share the same thought process on films.. seems likes he and others are torn by what they grew up with and the cultural shifts that changed so quickly the last few decades. could be that hes kinda lost cause hes trying to keep up with trends but holding tight to a time that no longer exists.

[@JadenHybrid]

Star Wars The Acolyte.....that just killed everything. Streaming fucked everything else.

[@RainerNSR7]

Not just cinema but what happened to everything that used to be entertainment or enjoyable to be a part of and the excitement of something new??

[@ko55579]

Art&spirituality is the extention of expression

[@keyman6689]

Twisters, I guess. Since it didn't make as much, globally. I agree, though. Hollywood has its eye on the global market. They don't make movies for us anymore, specifically. If anything could be considered "offensive" to someone anywhere in the world, it get cut and re-written.

[@c.w.johnsonjr6374]

Several films have been made about PTSD and veterans' issues in the past decade: Thank You For Your Service, Unbroken: Road To Redemption, Breaking, Man Down, Sgt. Will Gardner, The Last Full Measure, My Brother's Keeper, indivisible. However, many of them have been indie, low-budget, or gone under the radar.

[@Goit_Goit]

I just watched big trouble in little china again. Such a shame they can't make films with that kind of humour anymore.

[@stephennootens916]

You couldn't make Freddy's revenge because every other asshat would bitch about the clear homoerotic elements of the movie.

[@joegee2815]

What a great channel. You guys give me hope that we can have good creative content soon. And you don't talk over each other.

[@SaviorCross]

The audience is watching movies Inside/Out, which is a great example of a film that kids are watching, and there are human emotions and flaws that the kids can relate too...

[@todd8398]

In the 70s we saw the rise of the New Hollywood where directors began to be noticed in their own right, not just as workmen for the studios. Today, with the focus on franchises, sequels _ad nauseam_ and IP "content", we've essentially returned to a studio system with directors as "hired guns".

[@dinosaurwoman]

The Verdict really is an all-American story. A character who's down and out going up against a sotic system that could ultimately ruin his life. That's a really amazing feat that defines heroes in America.

[@alansteel]

Fellas, we were at war the past 20 years. Im sorry you didn't notice.

[@K1181-r4o]

I agree most studio films are garbage but we still get some exceptional stuff from Nolan, Villeneuve, Robert Eggers, and some others. I hope we can bring back the mid budget experimental films.

[@BlackCatsXVII]

I'm sorry but even with those directors, most of their movies ( post 2010 ) are not inspirational the same way Rockie and many other 80's movie were. You wouldn't want to follow on the steps on any of the male mc they portray in their movies, they're either losers, or made terrible mistakes that puts them in a insolvable situation. Most of all for Eggers, all his male characters are weak and insufferable. They don't just make inspiring movies for men anymore.

[@Tyler_W]

​@@BlackCatsXVII interstellar wasn't inspirational? Amleth, the main character from The Northman, was pathetic and insufferable?

[@BlackCatsXVII]

@@Tyler_W No interstellar isn't inspirationnal, there's nothing badass about the character, he doesn't even compare to Rambo, Rocky or John McClane, he's a soft spoken character trying his best to save others, get him out of there and get me a real man. Yes the northman was pathetic and dominated by girlbosses, the men obey obediently to the women in that movie like puppies to their masters.

[@robertlynch9678]

Some of the A24 films are good. I loved Hereditary and Midsommer.

[@acetate909]

​@@BlackCatsXVII You're implying Rocky is the pinnacle of film making. If you need a movie to reinforce your vision of a masculsnine, male dominated society then you have the mind of a child.

[@NadiaGerassimenko]

I just watched Born on the Fourth of July, which I never even heard of. But wow. So many feelings and reflections after it.

[@c.w.johnsonjr6374]

I would love to see a MCU-style telling of the American Revolution and The War of 1812

[@wasteland70]

"The Bikeriders" That's an American film, very under appreciated. Social media isn't real. Also, two or three movies a year were all we talked about when I was a kid. I'm now 54. When we quit watching any of the nonsense films, we may get better. The superhero films are done. Even Star Wars is done. This is a great video. Keep up the insightful work. Nothing gets taken off the menu until people stop consuming it.

[@Tyler_W]

It was said in the video that companies have to look to the global market because Americans don't care about film. Are you sure that it isn't the other way around, that the reason many Americans don't care about film like they used to is because it isnt made for us anymore? Maybe people think movies feel fake and not raw and real because the big movies that normies actually hear about are being made for the global lowest common denominator with no discernable identity or anything interesting to say. Let's not underestimate the fact that the cost of entry just to go to a theater with a snack and drinks is getting prohibitive. Maybe we need to take a look at the handful of films each year or two that do resonate with people and figure out what they did right that connected with people? Bring back the mid-budget tilm, advtertise smaller stuff instead of just the big movies, gove proper artists more comtrol instead of making movies by committee, make theaters more affordable, and make movies tbat actually speak to our experience that are both challenging and engaging/entertaining.

[@acetate909]

The mid budget films are mostly being produced by Netflx and a few other streaming sites. People who were born after 1995 aren't as interested in watching or going to the theaters as previous generations because they're consuming YT, Tik Tok, Instagram etc... When Hollywoods audience started shrinking they began producing movies for a global audience because younger people weren't that interested in the movie going experience. I'm obviously not talking about all young people but in aggregate the landscape has shifted and global ticket sales are keeping the major monie studios in business. It sucks because it's really effected the product and even the way studio exec's think about the business, but this is where we are.

[@MrNathan1575]

I miss the old days of movies. Being saying this to my friends for a long time. I used to buy so many blu ray movies, but many years now I just found there was hardly any that I wanted to buy. I miss all the unique movies, the fun rom coms, the thrillers, the movies with those crazy twists at the end that blew you away. It’s just rinse & repeat now or push politics agenda. Just don’t care much these days.

[@zendodeb]

Do the kids not like movies, or are the movies trash? (When was the last comedy?)

[@GoblinGirl]

Hollywood doesn't make comedies anymore. Hollywood refuses to make people laugh. They prefer lecturing and losing money.

[@malkmuslistener5459]

maybe "Neighbors", the one with Seth Rogen and Zack Efron? that might be the last semi-attempt at a comedy movie that i can remember that's like, from before that era of 'don't make fun of X or Y people, that's mean =( ' or maybe War Dogs i suppose, i remember seeing that...

[@Leetheblackvoid99]

The good ones, somewhere in the 00s era.

[@Tyler_W]

"The kids" care about some movies. Just pay attention to which movies create buzz and produce memes on X and TikTok. In 2024, Dune part 2 and Deadpool & Wolverine were probably the most noteworthy movies that did that. The problem, if you can call it that, is that a lot of things don't get noticed because too much gets shoveled out, so the things that do draw people's attention don't stay the topic of conversation for months on end like they used to, though that's a consequence of the internet more than anything.

[@pistonburner6448]

Pootie Tang, Strange Wilderness, Half Baked, Napoleon Dynamite, Happy Gilmore, Mallrats, Hot Shots...nothing like them today. A while ago we still got Scary Movies, Pineapple Express, Knocked Up, Tropic Thunder, and a few others which had ever increasing budgets...maybe that rise in budgets and the increased pressure through financial risk is what made them go away?

[@myfootballjesus]

Movies have died since Hollywood lost Originality and making movies that dont costs 500 million dollars all the best stuff in the 80's and 90's was original stories and NOT REMAKES sequels and BROKE OUT as HUGE PROFITABLE HITS they dont do it anymore they are LOST

[@Acrocanthosaurus]

FIRST movie I saw in the theater was Little Big Man.

[@shawnwykoff8744]

Dose anyone else remember "The Twilight of Golds"? A 1997 Drama/Drama.

[@peterfmodel]

People today are the same as people in the 70’s, but when the external stimuli has changed, the triggered behaviour of people changes. Today the amount of entertainment is vast, which results in fragmentation into the genre that interests them the most. The anime sector is a good example. Anime ranges from psychological horror to silly borderline hentai harem wish fulfilment. Even in the area of romance you have hetro, yuri, yaoi, BL, and trans. Few people like all the anime which comes out, of which 20 to 25 TV-series are normally pumped out each season, with four seasons per year, but they will find something they like. If this is the future you can’t have a movie which appeals to everyone. People don’t want generic every-person entertainment, they want specific entertainment which they want to watch.

[@kevinhardy8997]

I have a shelf where I keep a small number of movies that I think are classic enough to purchase. The most recent movie is from 1999. That was 25 years ago. THE MATRIX

[@Ionisus]

you know what...those older classics you can watch over and over again and it still remains fresh ...its not a product you consume and spit out

[@sakunaruful]

I would also say that the stories people connect to and are entertained by are coming from abroad countries such as Japan, China, South Korea, and even Europe. In addition to indie films and projects found on KZbin or on social media platforms.

[@dinosaurwoman]

It's sad that kids want authenticity, but they don't see authenticity in films. It is very true that films are introspective. Kids can't see that.

[@ThatGuy-cb3yv]

Activists cant do what youre asking, they dont have the talent, experience or willingness.

[@elprometeokong]

Robert is such a wise man. So glad to seem out of Campeas shadow. I still remember when collider and schmoes tried to cancel him. Glad he never gave up

[@jameslagerman89]

great conversation

[@chriscirino5779]

We have not had great movies and TV in a decade .Woke wankery destroyed escapism ,now everything comes with a lecture or some SJW nonsense .

[@soshiderek]

Film is arts and entertainment. New generations were short changed. 🙁

[@tomhahnl1927]

Greetings from (Western) Europe! I am the same generation like Chris and Rob, we loved America we grown up on American Movies and we all wanted to be Americans. Now nobody wants to be an American, when your only Export is 'War' and your own population is suffering no thanks.

[@bluefish4999]

Another aspect I feel is they took all the fun out of the movies, growing up in the 80s we had a lot of low budget goofy movies where even if there was some sort of social/political message it's buried so deep in you could ignore it if you wanted to, I like to compare the 1983 Spring Break to 2012's Spring Breakers, the 80s was about a bunch of kids getting drunk trying to get laid, by 2000s it's about guns and money.

[@soshiderek]

Music also has this issue. Where is Elvis, Beatles, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Green Day, Smashing Pumpkins, identity?

[@markstrong1328]

u realize how old most of these people are or what time they were hugely popular in? name any young kid that knows those people? few of those people u mentioned are dead or aged out cause of changing trends

[@soshiderek]

​​​@@markstrong1328 Where is the arts & entertainment identifying this gen? Certainly not holdovers like Taylor Swift, Kpop and KZbin rappers. Right?

[@soshiderek]

​@@markstrong1328 Social media killed the entertainment star.

[@dlracer2]

Chris, Al…. SNOUTS is the film! We need you! Film Threat can help lead the way

[@brandenmccarney5065]

Great stream. Very insightful takes on the current state of films. Film threat should maybe consider doing a classic film discussion with the panel. Pick a classic, discuss. This could possibly draw younger viewers to classic film.

[@BeeDub57]

Victory has defeated us.

[@llamasarus1]

American culture is too bound together and needs to break up into multiple regional cultures doing their own thing kind of like how American popular music originally developed with separate regional styles. I don't want a bland, homogenous "American culture" that I'm associated with. That's why I appreciate the film Hundreds of Beavers: It's a Lake Michigan movie; closer to where I'm from and it was made for $150,000 and is completely hilarious, a nice vacation from expensive movies that always seem to be set in NYC or LA where these filmmakers tend to be from.

[@williamshaw9047]

It looks like kind of a good movie and was shot not that far from where my family is from in the Upper Peninsula. They probably haven't shot around there since Jeff Daniels did Escanaba in da Moonlight.

[@neurometrik]

Generations and eras evolve. America today is not the same as it was 30-40 years ago. Art is not static. As a teenager growing up in UK in the 80s, I loved Rambo and Commando but in hindsight, those action movies were America exporting its propaganda and ideals to the rest of the world.

[@llamasarus1]

@@neurometrik I'm not talking about America as a monolith but of the sub/regional cultures within or lacktherof.

[@kennethwilliams7731]

Top Gun MAVERICK, is a pro American film,and it was widely successful!

[@c.w.johnsonjr6374]

I have often wondered if the over-saturation of fantasy, sci-fi, dystopian, and superhero films aimed at and offered to teens by the industry is the cause for depression and self-unaliving rates among American teens. Instead of watching real-world heroes and situations and addressing real-world problems with real-world solutions, teens and children see only fictional heroes living fictional lives as they solve fictional problems with fictional powers. Without examples of heroic people from history overcoming obstacles that inspire them and cause them to contemplate how to be a better person in the world they walk into after exiting the theater, they are left with detachment and escapism into other worlds.

[@thetequilaprofessor]

Great storytellers and storytelling. Americans were the best at this. It was a major export. It was a unique skill set. That skillset is not as prevalent now.

[@frankie3041]

If you think America's film industry is bad, you should see the rest of the world’s! In Europe only France is hanging on, in Japan it’s dead. India might be the only place where it’s still thriving.

[@Tyler_W]

Would you say it still exists in South Korea? Anyways, that's a real shame. Make cinema great again!

[@stephennootens916]

The American film industry killed most local film industries as it was meant to so they all bend to our culture. It is called soft power and we are the best at it.

[@frankie3041]

@@Tyler_W Exists, yes. Thriving, not sure.

[@fernandoDcampos]

Try to do medium budget movies - lower budgets, more power to the artists and that power should be gave by someone who understands movies. IPs and the franchise epidemic is one of the biggest problems - Star Wars was a low budget movie. But for Lucas 10M was a lot of money and he pushed the envelope.

[@nicholasbullock1709]

The younger generation is looking for authenticity elsewhere because recent movies are forced and contrived by identity politics. They don’t come across as genuine or earnest.

[@robertlynch9678]

Bad acting and bad scripts are far too prevalent.

[@ImmortalRimas]

Maybe the United States has entered that period the Soviet Union started to enter in the 70’s with that slow decline. It happens to everyone it’s just a question of when

[@markstrong1328]

history repeats itself. like you said. everyone will witness it. ww2 had that moment in europe. our turn now

[@SaviorCross]

Legion M maybe a small studio as Verbal said, yet they are putting out product...

[@classictravis]

This is something that has been bothering me for the past couple of years. I wrote a screenplay that is, what I would call, written for an American audience, but it doesn't exist anymore. Make American Movies Again

[@crystalfoxfilms]

One reason went real American cinema is so bad is because they regurgitate old, successful classics instead of fresh, new ideas. Also DEI and wokeness has destroyed the quality.

[@lordmetroid1]

RBM with the facts.

[@sorceress1986]

I know FilmThreat reviewed it favorably, but 2022's Vengeance DID just that. And actually, I think, in a hopeful way.

[@mymealias]

Number 8!

[@oldfashionedmodern]

14:26 Characters in The Holdovers do have flaws, but that's probably that movie great (IMO). But that one is actually a homage to 70s and 80s films.

[@hamdinger7145]

I see a red 🍅

[@RockyBergen]

It' SO weird being almost 50 and having the same consumption habits as a youngin'. I guess I am also a forever child. ;)

[@justinsantos8514]

All Hollywood had to do was make movies a little bit more diverse without disrespecting yt ppl( outside of comedies because everyone is fair game) and make good compelling stories without leftist politics... The movies with unnecessarily dark like every Nolan film with over cooked ambiguous endings and artsy cinematography are so overdone.. Movies are trash today because it's simply not for normal Americans anymore.

[@realdarthplagueis]

The turmoils coming now is GRAVITY doing its job. Sooner or later gravity wins, always.

[@stefanjrgensen6842]

they will make White Dawn, the movie about a group of greenlandian teenagers fighting the opprestive military might of america as it tries to take control of greenland, im calling it now lol.

[@sadomars2446]

Oh, Alan. Improv is gay. But you’re a sweetheart.

[@UndeadNerdT800]

5:36 Rob is amazing

[@williamshaw9047]

Boy, Chris Gore sounds like that Russian dude who did all Drago's talking in Rocky IV...."...we will show you how pathetically weak your society has become! We go!"

[@Tekkaman1994]

There are no pro America movies much anymore, because of the fact the movies out studios make have to deo well in other countries. I hate that is part of out movie industry. The movies that out studios make could be made for only us Americans to watch and it could be done, but they wouldn't be exported to those other countries that they have to do well in. It's really unfortunate that this is the state of our movie industry.

[@kennyoconnor6564]

The age of ignorant narcissism.

[@treymykel]

And then no offense I also have to blame this on us as well as like when movies do try to be introspective or whatever take characters that we love and try to do introspective or prospective with them everybody be complaining about Oh it's too dark it's too mature this character would never do this blah blah blah blah stuff and it's just like it's introspective do you not understand what introspective is. We got too many movies and shows where when you do try to be about America or you try to get people to understand the plight of these characters everybody's looking at everything so superficial that they never look inside they never understand why the choices are made. And that's another thing too We also gotten used to the global market of money because they know that Americans don't like a lot of the movies and shows that they made because it's fake and instead of trying to fix that they're like well bump that we're going to make our movies but we're going to make sure we're catering to this country make sure we don't do this make sure we don't do that but then over in America we get a version of the movie that a lot of us don't like while the country is get a version of the movie that's catered to them which is the movie that a lot of Americans want 9 times out of 10. And that's another problem We cater too much to everyone else instead of America That's why I said like we can't keep being captain save a hoe, like this whole notion that the United States have to be for everybody first before America first is getting tiring I'm about sick of us putting other countries the world ahead of America It is tiring. We have gotten two cynical about this hatred towards America and in the laws don't help at all like for instance You can get in trouble for burning the LGBT flag or whatever but you won't get in trouble for burning the Confederate flag or the American flag Make that make sense how does a flag about your nasty sexuality or fetish more important than the actual flag that represents the United States. When people start seeing that of course people are going to be cynical to it because you have turned the country into a joke Will we allowed all of these people's wants and needs ahead of logic and common sense we failed and that's all particularly the failure of Hollywood and them not admitting thing that they do wrong and trying to silence anybody that criticized them while other countries are laughing at America.

[@Warrior1Spartan]

What happened to American cinema? Two things: rampant capitalism and the end of the Cold War. Let me explain: 1. Rampant capitalism. Major film studios have become all about money (what sells the most, what sells the most frequently, etc.). And in so doing, they've extended their reach beyond America's borders to now include audiences from around the world, including Europe, Asia, and other places. Not every genre translates globally, so they tend to stick to a select few (notably action and sci-fi). Furthermore, those same studios are also now funded by major corporations which means they now have to answer to shareholders instead of audiences. And they have to tailor the films they make so that they can be cookie-cutter and sensitive enough so that only certain palates can be catered to. 2. The end of the Cold War. It's easy to be patriotic when there's a big, bad wolf at the door. Whether you're talking about the Japanese in WWII, the Communists, or the Taliban, it's easy to feel deep love for your country in those moments. But at some point, the shine wears off and people get tired of there always being a big, bad wolf, especially when it's the same wolf it was 10 years ago. Not only that, but people have woken up to the fact that America cannot always save the day and (I hate to say this, but it's true) sometimes ends up being the bad guy instead of the good guy. We're not a perfect nation, we've made mistakes, we've done bad things, and we've lost a few fights along the way. The movies you're referring to, whether it's Rocky knocking out Drago or Rambo doing in the Soviets in Afghanistan, showcase an idea that we all know isn't real anymore. As for the non-violent films, such as let's say "E.T.", they're a reference to a time period that's not only long gone but also isn't coming back. Back then, a kid could roam wherever they wanted so long as they were back by supper. Nowadays, a parent can get arrested if their child is anywhere alone (believe it or not, it happened recently in Texas I think). If you want American cinema to make a comeback, then we first have to define what makes this country amazing. And right now, there's not a whole lot of items going on that list. Sorry if this was long, but it needed to be said in full.

[@markstrong1328]

everything you said i hear loud and clear. its what i always been saying. i understand what some of these youtubers are saying but do they fail to grasp what has dominated the last few decades. big corporate powers at bay. the luxury of hollywood doesnt compare to those outside of the industry and entertainment overall. the customers in america arent answered to anymore. cause everyone else in the world now has the spotlight on them. not one audience in one country alone.

[@fishjones4618]

Here’s a fact that may upset some people (Good!): America is a very multifaceted and diverse country with competing and even opposing views. Unlike most homogeneous countries like Japan or India, you can’t pinpoint what is an “American” movie. Is it just a bunch of flags waving over suburban neighborhoods? Sound of Freedom is an American film that tackles the subject of human trafficking. El Norte is an American film (it’s in the national archives as one of the most important films in the American history of cinema), despite 90% of the dialogue is Spanish and it studies the still relevant and complicated issue of immigration. What you’re describing as an American film is very jingoistic and narrow minded. Pink Flamingos (also in the national archives) and Do The Right Thing are American films even if conservatives don’t like it. Just as The Bells of St Mary or any John Wayne film are as American as they can be much to the chagrin of liberals (though we must all agree that The Conquerer was a low point in the Duke’s career. Portraying Ghengis Khan and shooting upwind of a nuclear testing site resulting in multiple cancer fatalities, including Wayne’s??🤦🏾‍♂️). I guess the best definition is if it’s made by Americans for an American audience, even if some Americans disagree with it, it’s an American film

[@Ionisus]

american movies from the 70s and 80s are my favorite movies too...WHAT HAPPENED TO AMERICAN CINEMA? WHAT HAPPENED TO AMERICAN MUSIC ? The BANKERS AND STOCK BROKERS TOOK OVER!! in the 70s upcoming and young directors were given a chance because the studios didnt know shit about movies...Since the BANKERS AND STOCK BROKERS took over..evrything became bland and safe..a safe investment product; sequels, prequels, remakes, rehashes...Directors now have become "TOOLS" for the bankers and stock brockers for their safe investment project...its the irony of capitalism

[@quiredskywalker4422]

I mean you can blame it on wokeness just like everybody does

[@justinsantos8514]

Wokeness was nothing more than a result of a much larger problem in Hollywood that still goes on to this day. Just because there was a lot of fun entertainment back in the day doesn't mean that Hollywood was this place of Innocence.

[@stephaniemoore9122]

💯

[@ArwenUndomiel406]

I'm sorry guys, I genuinely enjoy your takes, but I've gotta disagree with you here: We've suffered through the bloody MCU and DCU for he last 17 years. Most of these comic book superheroes were created during the 1930s and 40s, when the US was living through it's pre- and during WWII society, where these characters also used as tools for military propaganda. It's difficult for me to believe that we didn't have (more than enough) movies promoting an american identity when there are movies that are *literally* called "Captain America".

[@tyrannozilla]

Pro-American films are fine with me, but I would also like to be able to watch foreign films that I couldn't in the 1990s. Please don't interpret that as an indication that I'm anti-American. The point isn't that. Pro-American films are fine, but there should be other options for viewing movies and television shows, and I hope that it won't become illegal to watch films from other nations in the future. I also don't want it to get to the point that pro-American films start to feel like full-on propaganda and make it that the country never had any problems. We have enough propaganda in the world as it is, so please, don't make anymore.

[@bobpeterson7182]

The problem that people like rmb face is that the stuff he votes for is completely antithetical to what he says. People can cry about this all they want but its true.

[@sinologika]

Being an international audience and a once by-product of American pop-culture domination in Indonesia (especially in the '80s - first decade of 2000), I am experiencing some shifts in looking at and appreciating "American" identity. American "patriotism" used to move me to tears and then somewhere along the line it became "jingoism/American exceptionalism" that make me cringe & roll my eyes so far back. Used to watch every oscar nominations, but now can't be bothered -- difficult to understand why some movies actually deserve oscars... Either it's the bad BAD (inspiration-killing) scripts/castings, crassly overburdened by "messages", excessive (bad) CGIs - even tho I LOVE scifi ＆ Fantasy (Marvels, Rebel Moon, ST Discovery, Acolyte & RoP obliterated my respect for major Hollywood movie/TVmakers), etc. Thank god for Dune, Fallout, Silo, etc. I subscribed to Film Threat because I get good movie/tv recommendations & sober and cerebral socio-political culture conversations. FT's analytical, rational and fair discussions are fresh air in the midst of toxic reviewers flooding KZbin. It always crack me up to see celebs/other icons screaming for "Alan! Alan! Alan!!!". Also, I still find Gore's Rants as cute & hillarious, but please keep it that way and not skewed too far like Jimmy Dore's old uncle rants... hehehe I do wish Nerdrotic n Critical Drinker's platform can be as constructive. So KUDOS everyone!!! Salam dan Terima Kasih!!!

[@acxelelacxel]

Falling down dude, that's American