Every Cancelled Pokemon Game (New Leaks Discovered)

[@AustinJohnPlays]

From the original story about BW2 & XYZ to the Lost Garden Game, all of that leading to someone who worked on a "cancelled" game is an amazing trilogy of video game preservation and I'm happy I was able to be a part of it :) Amazing work guys!

[@NJTSuperKing]

Yeah, guys! Phenomenal work, as always! I'm glad the info I sent over helped with the video!

[@ThatPianoNoob]

​@@NJTSuperKinggot one thing wrong though.. the pink room hack is finished and playable

[@eden22.7]

That pokemon 2000 game sounds so cool. Too bad Nintendo took it the way they did.

[@tomasgrance1657]

@@ThatPianoNoob its been months since your comment, can I know on where to find it?

[@Hiruban]

Eddie is such a gigachad : -Only person of his team knowing pokemon, but still delivered -Made a banger and fun ad under the form of a video game with his team -Video game was considered a serious competitor to one of the biggest growing video game franchise in the world -Got paid and recognition -Delivered the raw files years later, keeping it out of the lost media abyss He got so many Ws he might be Wario himself

[@OrgusDin]

The last one is the most gigachad thing of all.

[@lovevagrant]

​@@OrgusDinYou could even say he evolved into Terachad. Dude did such a power move

[@Br0oham]

Actually the most based thing that could have happened

[@steveluvscows2490]

Can't really blame Game Freak on that C&D either; they didn't exactly plan that a promotional game was gonna be THIS popular, and they got their promotion alright.

[@eddieruminski4098]

I think I'll have to have this comment framed for my office :D

[@akswordking]

So I wanted to add to this; Much like with how Zygarde and Kyurem were positioned, in Diamond and Pearl, Giritina was also there just sitting in a cave with no attached story until the release of Platinum. Even Necrozma had a similar position as the only Pokemon in the Ultra Beast side story in Sun and Moon, then in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon did Necrozma get any real story. So it definitely was set up for a Z version that never got released.

[@PIKMINROCK1]

To further add to this, Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire have Rayquaza in a similar styled post-game dungeon to Giratina. Not a whole lot of story until Pokemon Emerald where it breaks up Groudon and Kyogre's fight. Pokemon Sword & Shield do have Eternatus but, it's actually involved with the story and a big final fight for the end of the game with its own special form at the end unlike the rest. Instead of an expanded version, they did DLC which added new Pokemon for the first time as an update instead of a new version.

[@c0mpu73rguy]

And never will.

[@toumabyakuya]

I mean, if that were true, then where's Mewtwo's game? He also fits the description perfectly, being in an important cave accessible only in the post-game.

[@milky7257]

@@toumabyakuya To be fair, Gen 1 was before the trend of entwining legendaries heavily with the stor!.

[@toumabyakuya]

@@milky7257 Still, the "trend" you guys are talking about can be found all the way back in Gen 2 thanks to the Beasts, so why would Gen 1 be the only difference?. I just don't believe that GF ever planned to make Z to begin with and all the "evidence" is cirmcunstantial at best.

[@feanenatreides]

I think another good sign for the possibility of paired versions like XZ and YZ is that there are two Zygarde cores in the anime, - blue and red, matching the color motifs of the original Kalos games and their box legendaries. I would guess that the two Z versions would've featured differently colored Zygarde cores. On the other hand the cores aren't actually visible in Sun and Moon - if it weren't for the anime we wouldn't know what they look like.

[@PokettoManStar]

Kalos reserve 1 and 2 would've likely been A and Z, tying into the character AZ, and explains why AZ's Floette was never used.

[@ohmygodtheykilledkenny4887]

I've been thinking that for a long time now. Not sure if Zygarde would've still been used on the cover of Pokemon A, if they would've made a new A-shaped legendary, or maybe use Arceus (the gate on its back kinda looks like an A.) But Z being one of two letters in AZ's name made me think Pokemon A and Z would've happened

[@Anervaria]

Me shoving my ZX and ZY version concepts under the bed bc A and Z sounds better 💔

[@keiyakins]

Or maybe they'd be silly and release Pokémon Z (pronounced "zee") and Pokémon Z (pronounced "zed")

[@SomeLuminoth]

Whoa but it would fit cause the beat for the alphabet song hits "Y and Z"

[@wolfiemuse]

I don’t think those would have been the names, Pokemon a and Pokémon z? Or AX and YZ? not sure that would have been the name. Even the one they suggest in the video doesn’t sound like something Gamefreak would have named them. It makes too much sense for it to be any of those names. Gamefreak, and especially then, like to do weird “innovative” things, like naming the sequel to Black…. black 2. 😆 innovation! I think their names would either be Gray, Z, or hell even would have still named them B2W2

[@borby4584]

This channel's growth is crazy. From perpetuating urban legends in the early 2010's (such as the "Buy it or Die" line in pirated copies of Fire Red), to finding lost media, and being a platform for obscure interviews that the West never knew

[@denis2381]

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[@denis2381]

🍆🍆🍆

[@cristibratu5616]

Did you know? That Kanto Region in the pokemon anime was based on the real Kanto Region of the same name.

[@aberonharmon3710]

@@denis2381 damn bro, you got the whole squad laughing

[@internetguy7319]

​@@cristibratu5616to be fair americans are really bad at geography

[@ashessakura7518]

My two cents on pokemon pink: wasn’t Clefairy originally going to be Satoshi’s partner in early drafts but they changed it to Pikachu for a larger general appeal? So I hypothesis that pink was probably going to be identical to yellow except with Clefairy as a sort of ‘what-if’ by just changing the partner

[@F1areon]

Close; Clefairy was originally going to be the mascot of Pokemon as a whole, but Pikachu took its place.

[@AkasagiPhan]

At least the idea of Clefairy being a main character was explored in the CoroCoro Pokemon manga

[@king_kong_carl9413]

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[@Munchticles]

tbh, would have been cool to change it to a female lead too. So same game just different starters and player character. Yellow is Ash and Pikachu while Pink is Ashley and Clefairy or something.

[@TheLordTash]

I think people get too hung up on the Clefairy theory and miss a bigger piece of evidence: Pokemon Gold and Silver has a special held item (the Light Ball) that you can only get by transferring over a Pikachu from Yellow version. Gold and Silver also has a super obscure held item called the Polkadot Bow that you can only get by sending over a Jigglypuff from a past game. The Polkadot Bow is weird because it's completely identical to another item in the game (Pink Bow), except it has a different name and you can only get it off a gen 1 Jigglypuff. To me, this sounds like it was planned to be Jigglypuff's equivalent to the Light Ball, but got turned into a normal item when the game didn't happen.

[@helloluiis]

the fact that y'all commissioned animating artwork of the Pokemon Pinball for DS is insanely impressive

[@MegaMetal96]

It’s AI dude

[@NitroIndigo]

Looks more like they photoshopped some screenshots.

[@RS-fz4ps]

@@MegaMetal96 yes I was hoping somebody else would say it, but when you “commission” AI isn’t what it used to mean.

[@SMCwasTaken]

​@@NitroIndigono❤

[@particalman1016]

I remember playing the Pokemon The Movie 2000 browser game! I had no idea it was so good it got a cease and desist! It's so cool seeing it comeback. Excellent job in bringing it back to life!

[@monopolyrubix1875]

Thanks to Eddie, DYKG, Rufus10, andDoomTay for your preservation work!

[@silversonic1]

Regarding Pink, it's important to remember that Pikachu didn't get solidified with mascot potential right away. Clefairy was considered as a mascot, so it's possible the pink code was a remnant of the uncertainty from that time. I'll admit this seems unlikely, since the anime and Yellow released with a whole year separating them. But since it's hard to find when Yellow actually started being developed, I would keep a pin in it until further info is found.

[@autobotstarscream765]

I don't think we need any further info. LGPE is the smoking gun of their original intent, replacing rejected mascot Clefairy with newly-minted secondary mascot Eevee as Pikachu's co-star in these remakes of Yellow, in which Eevee beat Clefairy back in the day for the position of Pikachu's rival.

[@ZombieBarioth]

@@autobotstarscream765 Eevee also ended up as Gary's ace in the anime, which of course was reflected in Pokemon yellow as well. It was a conscious decision even back then. Eevee being cute but a bit more neutral probably is what sealed it for them, plus keeping with the theme of common pets you had a mouse and cat/dog.

[@WaterKirby1994]

Gary's Ace & Starter in the Anime was revealed to have been Blastoise during Ash's Epic battle against him during Season 5/6 depending on how the Johto League Championship is categorized. Gary's Eevee/Umbreon may have been depicted as a rival for Pikachu, although the real highlight was Charizard vs Blastoise.

[@ravenpotter3]

I assume it was going to be made to more be marketed to girls. At least that is what I bet a development group of all men would decide if they wanted to go after the young girl market.

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@ravenpotter3 That development group of all men hired a woman to design Pikachu in the first place because Ken Sugimori thought his creation Clefairy was too _masculine,_ so it all kind of evens out there between Pikachu, Clefairy, and Eevee as Pokémon with mass market appeal.

[@iceman3317]

Something I wanted to mention that goes hand in hand with Pokemon Z. In like 2014, there was a trailer or sneak peak of Zygarde in his 100% form for the anime. Most thought it was a movie, but that footage was never used in the anime or movies.

[@deltaboums]

Ou peut-on trouver ?

[@cookiecthulhu]

HELL YES POKÉMON 2000 ADVENTURE!!! for the longest time i thought it was a fever dream of mine having played it back in the day, and for the life of me couldn't find it again later on! i'm so glad you guys got it back up and running, tysm ♥

[@2coeur]

man i wish we got a pokemon z. pokemon x and y had so much potential, it wouldve been amazing to see a polished version like what platinum was

[@BierBart12]

I really wonder why Sun and Moon worked out better. There seems to have been a lot of unknown internal strife within the company that Game Freak would never make public around those years

[@eliserss]

@@BierBart12 i don't exactly know what you are saying but the supposed reason that game freak never made pokemon z is becasue pokemon was sort of on a decline at the time with each generation selling worse than the last. it wasn't a super pressing issue or anything but they wanted to put their eggs in more baskets and decided to try to create some new series to see if anything worked. obviously, the 3ds titles actually did really well and now pokemon is bigger than ever again

[@ethanrivers4057]

DYKG: *Gets a video taken down by Nintendo because Nintendo doesn't understand journalism* DYKG: *Proceeds to Make it their mission to the most in depth pokemon journalism on KZbin* Love the dedication.

[@Just.Kidding]

The pokemon saying their names was almost certainly cut due to space limitations. Audio took up a lot of space at that scale, even compressed to potato.

[@violetsparkles5453]

That and it sounded like death

[@pokepress]

They might have been able to fit it on a larger GBC-only cartridge, but yeah. Also, don’t forget that the voices were the Japanese ones, which are usually different.

[@machiavellussedaili1714]

They had room to do bit crushed voices, it just doesn't sound good at the required bitrste to fit the whole dex so they just did Pikachu with a higher bitrste so it doesn't sound as much like demons having taco bell diahreah

[@Shosholegbt]

@@violetsparkles5453Pokémon real sounds when they get caught ? Vegan : yes !! They’re suffering !

[@JayceCH.]

Thank god they never double down on it. Err...except LGPE and Pikachu.

[@primrosevale1995]

I said this last year, but I’m pretty sure GF ended up seeing _Sun and Moon_ as the extension of _X and Y,_ possibly as a way to trip up expectations but continuing the story in a new generation, but ended up running out of time and dialed it back. This make sense considering that the other main focus of the _XY_ anime, Ash-Greninja, was haphazardly included in the _Sun and Moon Demo Version,_ and AZ’s Floette was programmed into the Gen 7 games. Perhaps they planned to have a part of the story/post game where AZ appears and he gives you his Floette, with something similar for Ash-Greninja, but they were scrapped and they decided to include Ash-Greninja in the demo to incentivize people to download it.

[@lpfan4491]

AZ's Floette being there does not say much, it is still partially accounted for in Home. It being kicked out of the actual games was most likely a result of dexit.

[@nunyabusiness4904]

"The Switch will not replace the 3DS." The same thing was said about the DS and the GBA and they both had the same result.

[@animus3721]

i play my 3ds more than my switch tbh

[@botchedoperations3485]

The ds never captured the magic. GBA Pokémon games are the goat 🐐

[@ninjaguyYT]

​@@animus3721that's ok; no one is perfect.

[@Sonictheoofhog4]

Now they disabled the online and Nintendo eShop The switch did replace the 3DS.

[@creamofthecrop4339]

"The DS won't replace the GBA" but like... the DS literally had a GBA game slot, and was better in every way. Like of course it would replace the GBA. I think it's so stupid nintendo pretended that the replacement wouldn't happen when it seemed so obvious

[@ElectroBlastLuigi]

Timestamps 1:20 Pokemon Pink (paired with Yellow) 6:06 Pokemon Picross on the GameBoy Color (full ROM found) 8:02 Chinese enhanced versions of FireRed/LeafGreen on iQue 11:30 Fully enhanced localization version of Ruby/Sapphire 11:51 Pokemon Pinball DS 15:17 Pokemon Gray 20:12 Pokemon X2Y2/Z 27:49 Stars (existence unconfirmed) 33:44 Pokemon 2000 Adventure Game (now found browser-based game)

[@Eric-gp3hi]

This was a awesome video about all the Pokémon cancelled video games. Learning about Pokemon Pink and Pokémon X2 and Y2 was great. We could have AZ’s character, AZ’s Floette, Zygarde’s backstory and the 3000 thousand year war!

[@nyls1717]

It’s amazing that that people like Eddie exist! Thank you so much for keeping this gem safe for so long and sharing it with the world!

[@eddieruminski4098]

🙏

[@Nukhebuk]

"The game begins with professor Oak telling you that there's a disturbence in the Force" That line caught me so off guard I can't stop laughing

[@M0D776]

It also got me real good, didn't know Professor Oak was a Jedi lmao

[@GabePuratekuta]

Well, Oak, like Rosenberg, is a Jedi name.

[@nicksorenson940]

Well it's not too far off from the plot of the film, which involved Pokémon sensing a disturbance in the balance of nature.

[@okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

X and Y will always be sour in my mind because it was my first massive letdown in pokemon, but I adored so many of the aesthetics that it makes me really sad to see that it never got a followup game that could've really ironed out it's issues. To this day I still get so frustrated that we never got any use out of that massive crystal sun dial thing in one of the towns.

[@TheMarioBBB]

The sun dail was so obviously gonna be tied to diance that its painful she never had anything to do with it

[@spatial_rind]

It was released unfinished and deadlines and money basically killed any original attempt to finish the generation properly. Hopefully they finish it in the remakes. I love XY and I love Kalos and I just really really want it to conclude on good terms instead of constantly being remembered as a letdown.

[@the-NightStar]

I don't think it was a let down in any way at all.

[@xxAryAryxx]

Yeah, I don't think any generation got disrespected by its own creators as much as Gen6 did. It's such a shame because XY had the potential to be truly amazing and I personally enjoyed them a lot. The region is beautiful, I love the laid-back atmosphere and pacing and it still has the best character customization even 10 years later.

[@Popthebop]

@@spatial_rind that what I’m hoping with if they ever do the gen 6 remakes. Honestly I don’t want a new remake of black and white, I just want the gen 6 remakes. There’s so many details and ideas that got scrapped because of time, and honestly I’d take a black(2) and white(2) port anyday if it meant they could spend way more time on a gen 6 remake. Because It’s just such a shame that so much was unfinished and didn’t get fleshed out. I want to see AZ’s floette, I want to see zygardes whole backstory, I want to see the big sundial, I want to know what the ghost girl was on about, I want to learn about the war, I want to learn about all those things! They literally gave us the most interesting generation then they couldn’t go back and flesh it out because of time constraints. WE COULD HAVE HAD POKÉMON TRANLATERS! (It’s an actually thing that was planned at some stage but got scrapped because of time constraints.) I love this gen, and there’s just so much there that needed more time in the oven. And I’m hoping it gets that treatment in the future, because like I would love to know. Idk, 🤷

[@abigailbostic2198]

As someone who has maxed out the clocks on several Pokemon games before, I can without a doubt say that I played Ruby and Sapphire's Pokemon Pinball more than the mainline gen 3 games themselves. I LOVED Pokemon Pinball and I'm so bummed that they never added any more in the series.

[@Exlayer-pk8hy]

What throws me off is that Pokemon picross is a Gameboy color game but if that Misty sprite is anything to go by it uses the Generation 3 asthetic

[@WilfredCthulu]

Love how this channel has become the reporter of some of the most interesting info and huge breakthrough. Also can't get enough gigaleak even if I already know all about it. I know it was passed but it was still a neat surprise and throwback to just hear Pocket Monsters 64 mentioned. I haven't heard or thought about it since hearing about it alongside Fire Emblem 64 a good while ago.

[@denis2381]

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[@_Claus_]

Hello Wilf

[@WilfredCthulu]

AH!

[@denis2381]

@@WilfredCthulu AHnal

[@MegaSceptile99]

It's nice to see something being found and restored

[@pokepress]

Glad you were able to talk with Eddie and get the game playable again. I ran into him on social media a year or two ago and I’ve always been interested in his project.

[@hmking]

The voices in Yellow that were cut were in an unlistenable format, these audio clips were the best the fans could code it back to readability. It was certain it was clearer like Pikachu's final voices. If anyone can convert the files better, please do share.

[@costby1105]

Likely the Kalos revisit was canceled very early on around the end of XY's development and the Middle of ORAS. The Mirage spots relating to Hoopa Hyperspace holes were clearly meant for Kalos and there were clearly Mysteries intentionally left over. Gamefreak had done the same thing with Ruby/Saphire to Emerald, Diamond/Pearl to Platinum, Black/White to Black2/White 2 and Sun/Moon to Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. Likely the extra work that the 3DS added and the director shake up after ORAS made Z version get canceled which is why there wasn't a set of games released in 2015 as were planned originally. Stars was possibly a test for what Gamefreak could do on the Switch and was probably the start of Sword and Shield. A number of developers have ported previous games over to new console to help understand programming and development for new hardware. Game in general are planned out years ahead of time, so it is unlikely that titles like Samus Returns, Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon were ever planned for switch.

[@EmpireGamingWynter]

Z could have been insane with lore about Zygarde and AZ's Floette. Could have tied them together where the return of AZ threatened Kalos and thus awoke Zygarde.

[@snippids]

I really wish Game Freak would bite the bullet and split off a new studio that just does Pokemon and is staffed with people that want to work on Pokemon. That way the people who are tired of it can work on other stuff and Pokemon can get the love, passion, and effort it desperately needs.

[@siddhartacrowley8759]

They did twice with Colosseum and XD

[@metazoxan2]

@@siddhartacrowley8759 and those games were fun and unique. They had their flaws especially in tryign to push 3D graphics on a budget. But they had some really fun characters and storylines.

[@VitZ9]

Yeah, because that approach has worked so well for Valve.

[@ShuckleShellAnemia]

@@siddhartacrowley8759Colosseum was certainly one of the best Pokémon games ever

[@omarreyes7626]

I really don't understand your comment, but if it is what I think, the current state of pokemon is no due to lack of passion or lack of staff for projects pokemon has transcended games, anime, cards, etc., it's a whole phenomena, to beggin with they were never technical marvels if we're being honest, but I digress, the issue with pokemon is that is managed by essentially 3 companies at the same time, game freak, nintendo and the pokemon company, it has literally become so big you don't really need to try in any instance be it games, manga, anime, cards, for it to sell, it's capitalism at it's finest, I found a very interesting diagram square on facebook just the other day, it showed the squares of "my first pokemon game, my first MAIN game, my first starter, my favorite starter, my favorite game, my favorite game story, my favorite champion, my favorite rival" and such, wanna hear the funniest part, the person that posted this said his first pokemon game was "pokemon go", his first main game was "pokemon shield", his favorite rival was actually Hop, his favorite story was shield's, his all time favorite pokemon was lucario, and his favorite starter was the frokie evolution line, the kid said he started pokemon with pokemon go, this is when it finally hit me, all the people complaining about the new pokemon games are people who had their start in pokemon black/white at the earliest, but people have been born waay beyond that point getting into pokemon, some by app like this kid, some by the cards, some by the anime, and the games are still making millions, kids don't care about frame rates, conectivity, they just want fun new pokemon to play with, and on that aspect sorry but GF is still delivering, I love miraidon and koraidon, I love meowscarada and Skeledirge, I found ogerpon adorable, the games are no longer a priority, the whole merch is, pokemon will never go back to be "just a game", weather this is a good or a bad thing, it really depends on who to ask, me personally? I'm fine either way, all I expect from pokemon are new pokemon desings, nothing more, nothing less.

[@JorunnaV]

Omg, I remember the Pokemon 2000 browser game! I played it a bunch of times around the time the movie came out, when it went down, I just thought it was gone because the movie promotional period had run its course, I had no idea that it had gotten struck by nintendo! So cool to see it's actually been archived, I've always secretly hoped someone was able to put it in a flash archive somewhere.

[@treemoney]

i love when pokemon company makes most of their decisions based almost entirely on prospective profits

[@DevilMayCarry]

Rip Pokemon Gray and Z. Gone but not forgotten

[@c0mpu73rguy]

Not "gone", more like "unborn" or "never was".

[@Klldarkness6008]

RIP Stars as well. Wasn't the biggest fan of Sun and Moon, but I'd have played them on the switch for sure, if only for the better visual appeal.

[@c0mpu73rguy]

@@Klldarkness6008 You could always try running it on Citra. Keyword being "try" because on my computer at least it r... It WOULD run like crap if I ever tried doing something illegal like that which I DEFINITELY never did.

[@keiviroque5666]

Who?

[@baked7423]

at least gray got turned into black and white. Z likely will never see the light of day and stars we dont know if it was ever something but if so prob got turned into USUM. Kalos really did get the short end of the stick

[@DiamondIceNS]

The way Misty is styled and the way she emotes when speaking in the canceled Pokemon Picross game is identical to the way Professor Tetra looks and emotes in Pokemon Picross for the 3DS. Crazy stealth reference.

[@TStarman21]

I wonder if Pokémon Pink and Purple (mentioned in the 2000 interview as hypothetical sequels) might’ve been pitched to feature Clefable and Gengar as mascots. This would’ve matched color scheme, established a 2nd “trilogy” in Japan after RGB, and legitimized the widely believed connection between Clefable and Gengar with Gengar supposedly representing the shadow of Clefable.

[@siddhartacrowley8759]

Would be 6 games for Gen1😵

[@mariokarter13]

"5 versions of Gen One would've been overkill" >Original plan was thousands of personalized versions.

[@mistagreenbeanz]

Zygarde's complete form always looked like the letter A to me, so now i'm convinced the placeholders were supposed to be A & Z... I mean, theres even the character AZ lol

[@kirbydedede2494]

There's something nostalgic about seeing the old anime-esque artworks used for the Pokémon 2000 flash game. Haven't seem them since the green 'official' handbook two decades ago.

[@MiBrCo4177]

What mine of my friends keep wanting from a pokémon game is one where you control the pokémon in battle. An action game. Your trainer, ie .you, the character that you make can call out attacks and the more you listen to him the greater your affection will grow just like in current games, however the more you as the player follow your own moves and attacks can bring out higher strengths and certain weaknesses as in Ash Greninja being a thing. Gameplay would be similar to Nino Kuni battles, But the world is as huge and on the same scale of Zelda: BOTW/ToTK or Pokémon Arceus.

[@spacecat409]

I love these, you all do more research and finding hidden games then any other KZbin page let alone any other gaming magazine. Keep up the awesome work!

[@FrostedParadox]

This channel has really done some incredible work for games preservation. Keep up the great work!

[@teelo12000]

"too many Chinese players were pirating Nintendo games" did they ever think maybe thats because they weren't selling Nintendo games in China so piracy was the only way to get them??

[@FuckYoutubeCensorship]

They don't deserve to be happy.

[@man_without_fear6518]

So, how were they going to compete with a really well established piracy market?

[@blindmown]

​@@man_without_fear6518 if they're going to pirate it anyway, then might as well put some copies into shops for those who want a physical copy. Better than just outright refusing to sell it there.

[@bubblewrap8823]

@@man_without_fear6518they can start by selling their products

[@eden22.7]

Literally. I mainly think its more about international relations rather than Nintendo’s willingness to sell in China. A corporation will go where money is calling, but nationalism will stay stubborn through it all.

[@randolipe9056]

That mechanic of changing weather and pokemon depending on your location in a core game would have been amazing

[@draconk]

But also would make things harder for players that live on places with few weather variations

[@ScumSookar]

No. If you've dealt with it in PGO, you should know it's a terrible idea to implement in the core games. If Game Freak really has an issue with hacking, that would exacerbate the problem like no tomorrow.

[@SombreroPharoah]

The weather to date system on Sword/Shield was horrendous. Although Tbh, real time irl weather based, actually may have worked. To heck with that summertime Quagsire though :/

[@jhsloz3160]

Omg I remember playing pokemon 2000 adventure! Seeing those playthroughs fills me with SO MUCH nostalgia. You said it only took 10 minutes but when I was a kid it took soooo much longer. Thanks so much for reminding me about this. That game was so fun.

[@kurgans]

That pinball game sounds actually amazing. We need this to become a fangame.

[@misterzygarde6431]

17:24 I do wish that they ported Black and White along with its sequels to 3DS, possibly as Download only titles. I am glad we didn’t get Grey given that B2W2 are good enough substitutes and Grey would’ve likely not made updates to the Pokedex. 20:32 I also think it would’ve been cool if rather than doing USUM, they went back to Kalos for sequels.

[@GabePuratekuta]

Well, they can't make them download only without reinstating the 3DS Eshop.

[@misterzygarde6431]

@@GabePuratekuta Should’ve clarified that I wishes they ported the Gen V games to eshop back in 2012

[@GabePuratekuta]

@@misterzygarde6431Yeah... Now we have to wait for Pitch Black/Bright White to come out for Switch 2 in a few years.

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

But the 3DS could play DS games already

[@misterzygarde6431]

@@jesusramirezromo2037 late but keep in mind that a 3DS port the Gen V games would’ve likely used the Nintendo Network

[@buckstop]

Man the last few years you guys have been knocking it out of the park

[@vguy488]

That was an amazing video. I have nothing but respect and a healthy dose of awe at the amount of work and investigative journalism that goes into these releases, but this one is a special kind of amazing; not only did you give us obscure facts that would have most likely been lost to time forever, but you have managed to literally resurrect a lost media that is now preserved and will live on long after we're gone. I tip my hat at all of the DYKD staff and I'd like the video more if I could. Cheers!

[@DJIVision]

Thanks vguy, too kind :)

[@daniellelondon439]

Love these lost media videos. The Pokémon game that you guys restored looks really cool! definitely something I would have played at the time, if only I was a few years older.

[@TheClassicnathan]

The fact Nintendo got so uptight over a 10 min flash game is so funny. Truely a suffering from success moment

[@WhiteOwlet]

I think it's quite obvious why Gear Project games are not super popular with Pokémon fans. What's attractive about Pokémon is often that it's cosy, it's an RPG (so it doesn't require input speed), and it allows for great customisation (with the team you make). In many ways, it's similar to some Final Fantasy & Lufia titles, or Tales of Symphonia, for example. None of the Gear Project games seem to be any of that.

[@TheDarkFiddler]

It's gonna be ignored in favor of many other games listed here, but Pinball DS getting cancelled is a shame - it sounds SO cool

[@renrenzambales]

Impressive video. It shows that the Pokémon Company wants employees to be quieter and make us customers surprised. Maybe if the anime is not giving so much information then these games may probably be revealed and available as well. Anyway, nice video and most details helped me to fulfill some unanswered questions.

[@Writing_Gamer_513]

Well, look at what has been announced recently. Pokémon Legends Z-A with Mega Evolutions returning!

[@metalgearskeletor]

Been watching you dudes for a decade and I know my comments late but the fact that this channel has gone from a very basic fun facts channel to just straight up getting industry sources and restoring a old web Pokémon game is incredibly radical

[@the_shiny_wartortle_8913]

Compliments on your research into all Pokemon games, I always find these types of videos interesting to see and hear.👏🏻

[@ryancurtis5425]

Nintendo: "Wow! This is good!" WB: "Thank you!" Nintendo: "In fact, it's too good... Delete it."

[@InuyashaTT]

they released pokemon picross on the ds. its fun, but the worst mechanic is that you spend energy and when you run out you have to wait, but its otherwise ok. maybe the other versions were like minesweeper ? but its definitely more like sudoku. if anyones curious, your goal is to finish a picture, so you calculate how many squares you should put in the board by seeing how many there are both on the x axis of the board and the y axis. thats it basically. you can add xs for the squares you dont think should have a coloured square. and thats picross !

[@MarcoSchirripa]

Literally every piece of content on this channel is great.

[@ths7478]

Your videos are just getting better and better, love your work!!!

[@thisismyaltaccount4195]

Great video! The game is a fantastic piece of history, and it's awesome to see a community driven restoration success story! I hope Gardens can get the support it needs to get up and running. Cant wait to see more!

[@sketchfluffer7324]

I always thought it was funny that all the way back in base sun / moon you could encounter necrozma rarely in one specific patch of grass near the very start of the game, granted I don't think it was possible to actually encounter it until postgame but they didn't even give the poor thing the xy treatment of giving it's own little secret encounter lair or anything, they just tossed it in a bush

[@jesusmenjibar8716]

Thank you for all the work you do on behalf of the gaming community!

[@SuperPuddingCup]

Man, Pokémon Pinball DS sounds like my dream game. I started sneaking playing Pokémon Pinball Ruby&Sapphire after bedtime as a kid simply because it was the game that saved the fastest, so I could save really fast and turn off the Gameboy if my mom started to come upstairs, but I quickly fell in love with the game and played it constantly. I still play it a lot to this day. But a version with more RPG aspects and team building and battles sounds so fantastic. I can only hope they make a game like that sometime in the future. 😢❤

[@TheDeathmail]

To be fair, the updated FRLG might not have worked out so well... while the idea seems nice, the actual implementation might not have worked out...

[@TheRestedOne]

Man Pinball on the DS being so close to releasing is a real heartbreak. Loved playing the earlier entries with my brother. I hope a clever rom hack comes along someday.

[@TAHK0]

Great video, but I’m not sure the gear project had anything direct to do with a “Z” not happening. The teams were not only very small, but the way the gear project works is they only work on the pitch for a small amount of time before greeenlighting. Also, because the games are low time/resource, not only would all those projects not be happening at the exact same time, but they wouldn’t outright cancel a project over gear projects. We are still getting side game freak games to this day but not seeing canceled pokemon games. My personal assumption is the door was left open for Z until it became time to actually make it, which is why there’s very early evidence, but then the plan changed to become sun and moon instead (similar to the story of how “grey” became BW2 once it was time to go into production).

[@axdambient]

i played Pokemon 2000 Adventure like pretty much every kid that had a computer back then. we loved it. it was a whole lot of fun and then all of a sudden, it died. we later learned that it had been pulled thanks to places like IGN and PC World. it was a huge deal at the time, and it didn't look too great on Nintendo. that's until the worldwide success of GSC

[@alolanjojo8153]

you guys do amazing work helping preserve these games, i usually dont like or comment cause laziness but this moved me that i wanna do something to help out, even by liking and commenting for the algorithm

[@nathanz128]

i cant even fathom what the hell gamefreak could make, that would be as popular or more popular than Pokémon

[@anonanonymous9670]

It just isn't possible Pokemon is the ultimate lighting in a bottle

[@notstanley9204]

Anyone else get this video recommend the day they announced Legends Z?

[@yoshi2966]

For some reason some of the most important information about the iQue release of FRLG was completely omitted??? Ruby and sapphire were #1 picks for localization in the Chinese market with the launch of little shenyou (iQue gba) Game freak, and Nintendo were against the release due to the massive levels of piracy on the platform. All further releases for the iQue gba were temporarily halted for the development of the NC NC (netcard) was a flashcart developed for GBA with an internal arm7 (two actually) CPU used for DRM, and network functionality the iQue netcard is a MASSIVE part of modern Nintendo history, as the technology developed for it was eventually what was used to power the Wii’s starlight cpu (the main thing differentiating the Wii from the GC) Software written for the netcard is still being used by Nintendo for their online backend and DRM to this day with the switch FRLG were pitched after the netcard was already well underway. According to internal docs it was still on the iQue team’s radar well beyond the pitch. Gamefreak was notoriously hesitant with piracy, but it’s important to note that it wasn’t a case of them saying “no” and that being the end of it Gamefreak’s piracy concerns were being addressed, and that addressing fundamentally changed every single platform Nintendo has released since The netcard finished development, however got delayed again and again by NOJ. And attempted releases were as late as 2007. An insane amount of money was dumped into the development and production of this accessory. And it’s likely that retail units are hanging around in a warehouse somewhere. That’s how close it got. Had the netcard released as planned, digital versions of FRLG, and RS likely would have released.

[@namelessresource5782]

Are you asking us or telling us?

[@No_Direction-99]

I wish they’d talk about canceled games and ideas more. They’re a part of Pokémon history and they’ve all contributed to the franchise’s success and growth to some degree

[@Thomaswake]

The fact they really thought any of those other games would be more loved than Pokemon is wild

[@corazonfeathers8116]

God bless you Dr. Lava for giving us this information 💖

[@DJIVision]

Cheers mate. Had a lotta help, especially from Eddie, Rufus10, and DoomTay. My translator Jacob top of course. All those guys can do stuff I could never do.

[@VintagePokemonHunter]

Absolutely love this channel for years! Thanks for the consistency of cool Pokemon videos

[@ExaltedUriel]

It's a conversation that's been had plenty, but hearing yet again that 3D Pokemon games are made by such a small team is heartbreaking. I personally feel like Scarlet/Violet was definitely a step in the right direction, but eventually something's gotta give, Pokémon as a series deserves the AAA treatment and GF either needs to accept they need to upscale or Nintendo/TPC needs to find someone else to develop the mainline games.

[@5Porygon]

Thank you so much for all videos you made. You are one of my absolutely best youtubers ever. :) Jste borci. Mám moc rád vaší tvorbu. Zdraví Nogy.

[@Arcona]

ORAS was awesome. Adding more megas and adding megas into the story was awesome, plus the delta episode after becoming champion. Last pokemon games that I thought were truly awesome.

[@FrenkTheJoy]

You're entitled to your opinion but the Area Zero part of Scarlet/Violet was goddamn amazing.

[@llSuperSnivyll]

Up to Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon the games were good. From that on is a quick decline, with Legends and Scarlet/Violet being the series' nadir.

[@anonanonymous9670]

@@llSuperSnivyll Imagine calling XY and Sun & Moon good while calling Legends and Scarlet & VIolet bad

[@llSuperSnivyll]

@@anonanonymous9670 XY and Sun/Moon are linear, so they automatically drastically better than the two games that are trying to remove the fun aspects of Pokémon (Legends literally has none of them).

[@anonanonymous9670]

@@llSuperSnivyll "are linear, so they automatically drastically better than the two games that are trying to remove the fun aspects of Pokémon " You have never played Gen 1 or Gen 2 and it shows

[@yourbodyis75waterandimthir44]

Crazy how Heartgold and Soulsilver, the best Mainline Pokemon games, had one of the smalles development teams. They definitely poured their heart into those games.

[@christopherwilliams9418]

Huh! Pokemon Adventure 2000 is pretty fascinating. Is the source code part of the archive? Would love to see the engine taken and expanded upon maybe. Imagine a full browser based 3D remake of Pokemon Red & Blue... :P

[@ashecant]

Every Pokémon fans wet dream 😂

[@GabePuratekuta]

Put it on mobile and Nintendo would ignore it completely just like with every other copy of Mario and Pokemon there.

[@xxAryAryxx]

Watching this just made me feel even more nostalgic about XY and I can't wait for them to get a remake where some of Z hypothetical content could finally make it to a game. XY were honestly very comfy and nice to play, it's so sad they got the short end of the stick due to Gear Project. the 20th Anniversary and anything else. I am not really looking forward for Unova remakes as much as I am for XY ones.

[@RealZerenaFan]

37:43 So he's saying that Nintendo Struck down Pokemon The Movie 2000 Adventure with a Cease and Desist because it was Too Good... Damn this is similar to the time where Rovio Took down AB Classics Angry Birds cause it was "Too Popular" and hurting the sales of their Recent Games.

[@TrumpDeeznutsinYomouth]

Lol that reminds me of what happened to Pokemon prism awhile back, i was honestly hurt that id never see its light of day, until someone leaked the build lol

[@Darktentacle666]

Wow! That goes hard! Thanks for all the work you,ve done,as a latinoamerican fan,i appreciate it a lot.

[@sp9017]

Who is here after Pokémon Z’s reboot

[@oliviamartin1203]

I suspect that pink/purple actually predate yellow's development as "girl" versions of red/green, similiar to early Harvest Moon titles, and were scrapped in favor of yellow.

[@zerotodona1495]

If that’s the case, eevee may have killed the game. Eevee was the most loved characters by girls during the 90s. It’s why it got so popular now.

[@rapidriver]

this is so awesome, keep up the great work!

[@NitroIndigo]

The part about real-time weather in the iQue FRLG reminds me, when I was a kid, it was raining in real life and Animal Crossing: Wild World at the same time, so I thought the game was somehow linked to the weather forecasts.

[@lerdog]

"Every time we finish a game's development, we're left with a feeling that there are still things left unfinished" We can tell. Sad that more than a decade later things haven't changed

[@internetguy7319]

ok i get what you are saying but that is literally every videogame developer ever. that is why galaxy 2 was made.

[@lerdog]

@@internetguy7319 the key difference is that we as players shouldn't be able to tell the devs wanted more.

[@thefreak639]

Personal opinion but black/white 2 were some of the best installments after crystal

[@RaptinDinon-mn4ps]

Strike me down, & ten more will take my place. Is basically what I feel sumarizes the restoration preserve. Good on you guys to have copies, if 2000 adventure goes down.

[@EmeraldUsakaze]

The main reason why Clefairy would likely have been the Pokemon instead of Jigglypuff for a Pink version is because it's well known at this point that Clefairy was supposed to be the mascot of the Pokemon franchise as a whole, before Pikachu took its spot instead.

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

I'm so mad that pokemon pinball game never happened. The DS had two screens vertically, FINALLY we had the perfect aspect ratio for a pinball game. Then they never made it. Nintendo why

[@mono_vt]

I do believe there's a bad case of burnout going on over at Game Freak, particularly among those who have worked on Pokemon games for a long time. I sometimes feel like Pokemon is held back by it's own legacy. Legends is a recent example where fans are looking for innovation. I don't think the game as a whole was bad but the graphics and/or switch hardware do let it down. Maybe Game Freak are afraid to make changes because every time something changes in a big way, the internet loses their mind over it... "dexit" for example. I had no problem with it, and had no problem with Gen 5 trying to stand on it's own legs. Yearly releases brought in dough and probably still do, but it looks to me that the yearly release schedule is harming community perception. Maybe we're just getting old! 😅 But recent shifts in gamedev have started to show that taking the time makes for a better game, with smaller studios punching way above their weight. Whether this makes more money YoY I wouldn't know. I seriously doubt that PR would allow their spokespeople to comment on this phenomenon but I'd be interested to know what Nintendon't/TPC/Game Freak thinks about this.

[@Zackattackplayspokemon]

So, from what I can gather the "kind of implied but not technically official" stance i've gathered from them in the past couple years based on interviews and such is that they are aware that there are benefits to longer dev cycles and have been discussing this topic internally and have been debating a solution. Whether or not they reached a conclusion in that regard who knows. I'd imagine it's gonna be *very* difficult from a technical perspective whenever you have so much anime and merchandise that needs to be coordinated in advance. Regardless, I think I will say that it's definitely something on their minds; Nintendo and Pokemon Company are both *very* PR minded nowadays and especially with recent online discourse i'm sure are weighing the cost/benefits of these choices. As an example, i'm sure that even if the 'unplayable and ugly' crowd and such *is* a minority of players (i have no idea), i'm sure they are weighing the PR benefit of 'would we rather put in work to sell more games to the easier group to satisfy, or get our extra sales from the group that wants a bit better'

[@spicyananaspizza]

The Pokemon Company breathing down their necks in combination with the many different wishes of the fans, they just went with the quick money making scheme.

[@yepdontcarebud]

I'm happy with the foundational progress they made in SV. However the new directions they've gone with the designs and for some reason mandatory mindless gimmick is just appalling. If you removed ring pop hats, and every single newly designed digimon in that game, would've been a 10/10 for me. Including getting rid of the ride on legendaries which is the most offensive and lazy concept I've ever seen just to remove a feature from a prior game (let's go pikachu) where you can actually ride pokemon on your team, that you want.

[@alhamnavid]

1:47 "Pretty much every pokémon were intended to say its name" *Proceeds to showcase the screams of damned*

[@Quaxo21]

Pokémon Z-A jumpscare

[@siljeff2708]

Pokemon the Movie 2000 was my introduction to everything from Pokemon Movies to Weird Al back in 2000 and I’ve never even heard of this before!

[@Jayyemi]

Those bit-crushed pokemon voices are horrifying

[@MrOakridge]

I'm still mad that we never got a Pokemon Z. Kalos had so many loose ends and hints at things that seemed really exciting, but were ultimately never expanded upon. I used to say during gen 6 that it could be either the best generation or the worst, depending on whether they did a third version or not. It's just sad and frustrating to look back on it now.