What Happened To STARSHIP TROOPERS?

[@christographerx64]

I LITERALLY just watched this movie last night. So this is perfect. Movie still holds up in 2024. Story. Laughs. Themes. Do you want to know more?

[@zerovalon6243]

Lol I did the same thing with transformers in July. That being said, I agree this movie holds up better than almost every movie till about the early 00's.

[@Jamessmith-xk3fh]

I don't think it's top tier but I like it still

[@donchaput8278]

Starship Troopers and Idiocracy were 2 of the most underrated movies of their time

[@MyNameIsDanielYT]

OWW MY BALLS

[@stickiedmin6508]

Idiocracy wasn't a movie. It wasn't a documentary either. It was a *_warning._* A warning we failed to heed.

[@BearBig70]

​@@stickiedmin6508 EASY there.... Shakespeare! ALL stories/movies/theatre is technically a warning. And a history lesson, and a comedy at times. Human nature, i.e. history, repeats itself.

[@jamesgreig3246]

The cgi in this movie still holds up today, unlike a lot of other movies. The scene where they bomb the arachnids from above is still flawless. They're fighting with each other before the first bomb hits. I totally buy it. One of my favourite scenes.

[@BigFatCone]

The secret is plenty of polygons in the model, and a design that looks good in low resolution.

[@evandipasquale9255]

I was lucky enough to have seen starship troopers in theaters as a kid. It immediately became one of my favorite sifi action movies.

[@dresinss]

Do you remember seeing a terrible cgi trailer at the theater way before it came out?

[@UnwrittenSpade]

I saw it when it released in theaters too it was so awesome

[@evandipasquale9255]

@UnwrittenSpade my babysitter brought me to go see it, she had no idea what I had talked her into seeing. 😄 🤣

[@evandipasquale9255]

@@dresinss as in the trailer for starship troopers?

[@dresinss]

@@evandipasquale9255 yeah, there was one that came out at least a year or two early, and the cgi was terrible but we were still stoked for the movie. It was not cinema quality. Looked like Sharknado or whatevertf like sifi quality cgi... Lots of nothing and then... hey wasn't this that movie we saw a trailer for forever ago?

[@KaijuAKD]

Should have been an instant classic.

[@erickvonengelwalten8568]

i rewatch this movie a week ago, after long years without seeing, and was absolutely impressed with the special effects, the costumes, the props, the movement, camera work, cgi and effects, its better than nowaday movies. its clear old moviemakers has no lazyness to produce some pieces with lots of work envolved. Put some sci-fi new movies to shame. It holds better than almost everyday movie now, specially the violent and gruesome parts...

[@gingerhipster]

It's a real shame we don't live in a world where the depth and nuance of that film were able to influence popular culture in substantive and healthy ways.

[@mrb7094]

It's odd because I realised what it was the first time I watched it. And of course I've watched it many times since. It's clever, but it's not subtle. But at the time, a guy from work who wasn't stupid (he was a total jerk, but he wasn't stupid) thought it was a vapid action movie. I think some people just disengage their brain when watching this type of thing. Ah well. It's one of my very favourite 90s movies.

[@gingerhipster]

@@mrb7094 Nuance is hard and intelligence is overrated 😅

[@clementmartinez121]

Saw the movie at the University of Arizona. I was stunned. I Saw this again and again. My brother Gabe quotes The line , c'mon you bunch of apes you wanna live forever? You must watch!!! Peace

[@murrethmedia]

This movie was ahead of its time.

[@quincy3d69]

Jurassic parks cgi still holding up , yes but no one talks about this movie ! the cgi was top notch and thats what soled this crazy story !

[@RossDaunis]

We're Gonna Fight And We're Gonna Win💪

[@dall1786]

This movie was so far ahead of its time. Most just didn't understand it.

[@LordFalconsword]

We didn't understand it because we were Heinlein fans, and Verhooven had no idea what he was working with.

[@Ineedgames]

Most still don't. Elons Fascist Twitter proves how brain dead Movie illiterates are.

[@dall1786]

@LordFalconsword unfortunately, that book cannot be adapted correctly, then or today. It would have to be some straight to video schlock.

[@11C1P]

I finally got around to watching this movie 3-4 years ago. I wish I'd seen it in the theater. Excellent movie.

[@ChristianR-i3g]

PUT YOUR HAND ON THAT WALL!

[@mitsidstevgttab2677]

This was an instant favorite. I don’t understand why it didn’t earn much. 🤷‍♂️

[@burningmisery]

You did this same video 4 years ago. Stop plagiarizing yourself!😂😂

[@FistyClown]

This one was worse, though. Some of the pronunciations were awful enough to make me stop watching. "Jangonistic"

[@JesseHenderson-xc2kg]

We've hit critical mass, they are cannibalizing their own content. I'm sure AI is to blame in here somehow..HeinLINE? That can't be right.

[@hesgotaglassjaw1]

Yup, I can't get into this narrator! The OG JoBlo was what I really liked about this page 😢

[@ResDogsMrPink]

It's better than when they blatantly plagiarize other channels at least.

[@johnortiz1964]

When I saw this come up I said I think I've seen this before 🤔 you are so right I did

[@mlife2]

Still better CGI than what Disney is putting out.

[@ThatSoddingGamer]

The film also serves as a perfect example of how professional [film] critics are often not worth paying attention to. I mean, it's pretty clear it's a satire masquerading as a dudebro futuristic military action flick (and don't get me wrong, that part is fun, it would be a pretty dull movie if it was all backroom criticism and no action). The _'Do you want to know more?'_ sequences in particular practically beat you over the head with it.

[@simpleman5932]

This movie is proof positive that most film critics have no business critiquing film because they are not comprehending what they are watching. This film was obviously satire and was meant to be a critique of the endless war machine of a fascist society.

[@lutherheggs451]

I hate to break it to you but critics knew what the film was.....Its also the exact opposite of what the book was...What is proof positive is that SOME people need to stop pretending that everything they like needs to be applauded by everyone OR that someone a "review" which is an OPINION is somehow someone stating facts. It was also a pretty massive bomb until it hit cable tv and that had nothing to do with "reviews" intelligent people are able to decide on their own IF a movie looks interesting enough to go see and obviously audiences did not

[@brorjordas1979]

Still love this movie. Still one of my absolute favorites! Diz❤

[@burningpapersun1]

I remember seeing this in theaters. So good. Even as a kid I understood that it was satire.

[@ebbderelict]

I did not get it at first, and at face value despite great action scenes I thought it was dumb. It took me a couple of years to finally get it, and I'm so happy I did. :)

[@bugg6597]

The director changed the movie from the book because he didn’t believe in it, having been invaded himself, he rather make a satire rather than glorifying authoritarian military

[@BigFatCone]

No, he changed it because he thought the book was stupid and didn't finish it. That's been known this it was made.

[@jenisedai]

Heinlein wasn't glorifying authoritarianism, he was against it.

[@BigFatCone]

@@jenisedai That doesn't become clear until like the last third of the novel or something.

[@stevemanart]

@@jenisedai Just like Verhoeven himself, most people see the Citizen/Civilian divide in the federation and a the story being about the marines and cry fascismo without thinking critically.

[@dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073]

the CGI show and the movies are really good.

[@Kjos_jax]

It aged beautifully

[@scottieman2]

Great review. I feel like this was uploaded awhile ago.

[@willienelsongonzalez4609]

Always though Starship Troopers was a brilliant movie that worked on many levels if you really drilled down on the characters, themes and narrative. Admittedly, had a huge crush on Dina Meyer who I thought was hotter than Denise Richards.

[@simonkevnorris]

I enjoyed this movie from the first time I watched it.

[@Rawsolo]

Watched this 38 times in the theater with my best friend in high school.

[@Korcsmaros]

Beside the negative critic consensus back then, at least it was nominated for a Best Visual Effects Oscar.

[@thesaltyweeb]

Loved this movie to bits. Saw the ones after... Meh some were ok... but it made me want to go back the first movie!

[@fredlandry6170]

I loved this movie!

[@Squirleypoo]

A cool character detail is that Carmen is always smiling before BA is wiped out, she doesn't genuinely smile again until they capture the brain bug and she's back with Carl and Johnny.

[@fredhurst2528]

Kinda blows me away that so many could not grasp the satirical overtones when this movie first released. It is almost a foreshadowing of the proliferation of the hyper-sensitive virus that has infested more recent society. The movie was great and is on my list of permanent periodical re-watches.

[@dalejennings2677]

I like to think kevin bacons character from footloose grew up to be hollow man.

[@The22ndDoctor]

Much as I love both movies (Seriously, how hot is Rhona Mitra?), Wren never did get the laws in Beaumont changed, and that can drive a person crazy.

[@krono5el]

we can ill afford another waterworld. the second i saw starship troopers i was in luv, one of my favorite childhood and adulthood movies. the 4k disc is crispy af and a must own.

[@anotherpeasant]

I absolutely love this movie

[@bjd3707]

Great run down, thanks.

[@Derpy1969]

Starship Troopers is Verhoven’s The Thing. Brilliant.

[@transformerstuff7029]

For managed democracy, for liberty!

[@DroosterH]

Injury? What injury?

[@transformerstuff7029]

@@DroosterH I'm sure I can guess your favorite drink.....

[@williambarnebee40]

Having read the book and being a Huge Heinline Fan, I really think people misinterpret his writings. He's NOT a fascist and never had been. The man fought in WWII, He knew better. But he did have a Libertarian streak and firmly believed that "without skin in the game" citizenship was wasted on those who didn't. I see his points..... Especially after last week, Not fascist, but ownership of citizenship with meaning and purpose.

[@todub781]

Isn't it funny how he didn't understand the book that he took his title from and then the critics and most people misunderstood what he had made. People talk about Heinlein as a fascist and don't understand anything about the man or his books. Earning your citizenship isn't a fascist idea it's just not how we do it here. This movie is a comedy/satire about military and government mostly because they don't really know anything about these subjects. Man vs bugs with rifles and pistols is so stupid! Couple a cans of raid or get a professional pest control person and the war is over. Pure comedy gold!

[@titusmccarthy]

Okay, maybe not but read Farnham's Freehold and tell me the guy wasn't a bigot. Read the synopsis on Wikipedia. The guy was out there for sure.

[@titusmccarthy]

@@todub781 The New Republic called Farnham's Freehold "an anti-racist novel only a Klansman could love."

[@williambarnebee40]

@titusmccarthy I haven't read that one, but I've never read racism in any of his books. Some of his characters are, but always to show how stupid it is.

[@titusmccarthy]

@@williambarnebee40 He changed as a person after a while. I think he became quite cynical and unhealthy in his views. Farnham's Freehold would probably not be published by any major publisher today. Maybe independently but not by anyone with any sense. In the 1930s he was a socialist and active with End Poverty in California (EPIC) movement.

[@MrChupacabra555]

5:42 THIS is why I love the animated series "Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chroncles" so much, since it actually included these elements (this 'Skinny' is actually from that show). Every trooper wore advanced 'Combat Armor' (making them easier to animate, since only their faces were unique to each character), but the squad had a couple of Power Suits (called 'Marauders') to include in a limited way that element from the books. It was curious that this was yet another 'Kid's Show' based on an R-Rated franchise 😏 I for one would love to see a 'Battlestar Galactica' style reboot of the series (taken seriously, and in live action).

[@wraithofsolidarity]

ST:E is so much fun. I'm doing my part! (for an hour every day)

[@robvegas9354]

It's a great movie.

[@the503creepout7]

Starship Troopers was sooo much better than Phantom Menace.

[@dresinss]

I remember seeing a trailer for this at the theater, and damn... The cgi was some sifi channel badness. But still... effin a, give me this movie. Then it was probably I dunno 3 or 4 years later I saw roughly the same trailer but with better cgi. Then it came out. I don't know how long it was, but does anyone remember seeing that first trailer waaaaay before it actually came out?

[@KiLDELTA]

I love Starship Troopers. I watched all the movies which includes the CGI releases. Watched the whole CG series. Played most of the games; not yet the recent VR game, will get that as well. The only media I missed is an old 6 episode OVA anime which I might check out soon.

[@Wair18]

I loved this movie.

[@michaelhowell2326]

In my mind, Starship Troopers is just a 40K movie featuring the IG and Nids. The guy who designed the Nids designed the Arachnids too.

[@seantlewis376]

I had read Heinlein's book, and was not interested in the movie until a friend said I had to watch it. Heinlein took the fascism seriously. He believed in it. Verhoven decided to take it as satire, which to me made a lot more sense. Unfortunately, a lot of reviewers did not see it that way. I thought that with the interspersed recruitment commercials, and lines like, "They sucked out his brain!", people should get a sense that this was as much a satire as Robocop.

[@bobd1805]

Well done. I loved the movie. My wife hated it. Paul Verhooven lived in Holland in WWII and witnessed falling bodies of shot down Allied bomber crews falling from the sky. (sans parachutes) This made into into the freighter sequence that were blown up by the plasma bugs while orbiting the bug home planet. Tactically, the fact that the human ground troops had no heavy weapons was a major blunder by the military leaders but it made for a great slugfest. Perhaps it was a reflection of the hammer headed arrogance of the human leaders to think they could fight the bugs effectively without them.

[@michaelhowell2326]

When the US Army was looking to replace the M16, the first prototypes were ready but the Army wanted the designers to make them look "more Starship Troopers-y".

[@porkfang]

When "StarShip Troopers 1st came out, I didn't like it. Now that I'm older I love this masterpiece.

[@jarrodbright5231]

It's hard to believe Verhoven never played Warhammer 40k because he replaced the Mobile Infantry of the novel with the Imperial Guard of 40k (and it works)

[@hiddentruth1982]

they made a 2 and 3 but they were a far cry from the first one.

[@JuilanXAnime3188]

Yup then came the two CGI continuity films 4 invasion and 5 TOM after so far which I honestly prefer those two to 2 and 3 to be super honest even though 3 was ok. anyway they were more fun and we at least got more johnny rico as a general and military action war out of it as well Which felt more like a continuation to part 1 then it did of 2 and 3. I usually just go from 1 to 4 and 5 and that's it lol

[@scottieman2]

Love this movie.

[@andersonrodrigues8007]

Aszhole bug still gives me nightmares to this day.

[@jamesmorant1406]

Love Starship Troopers' combination of action and sci-fi just like Aliens

[@saschaberger3212]

Where are those armors and weapons they used for the movie now? Man I would love buy some buy some of those.

[@Thena_the_Grey]

How do you mispronounce the name of one of the main characters...

[@PoliticallyIncorrectMechanic]

You mean to tell me Gina Davis was going to do it different pirate movie before Cutthroat Island?! Good thing she jumped ship on the first one! Hey I just found the next movie for you to do!😂

[@Quincy_Morris]

We need a proper adaptation of the book from someone who actually read it and understands it.

[@MikeOrtego]

When people talk about this movie they rarely ever mention the 1980s anime.

[@ryanderoche3330]

What's with the still of MacGyver when he's talking about the author at the beginning?

[@jimsmith8797]

Classic fuggin movie. Seen it in theatres as a young teen with my mom. That shower scene 😅

[@orusandornots1915]

It also works as a great example of why subverting audience expectations is almost always a bad idea if you are trying to make money. I like Starship Troopers. But i don't like arrogant creatives who think they know better then everyone else.

[@colinewen8536]

This is now cult classic. Still widely enjoyed by many people across the globe time & again.

[@MEGACAMZ]

“Kept turning the screws” that’s an AI tell, AI keeps adding that into writing I’ve noticed

[@planetdee3587]

This movie was a masterpiece.

[@shawnharrington9548]

This was a fun movie, not every movie has to have a serious message.

[@NebLleb]

Starship Troopers the Book: "It is a soldier's duty to fight and die for his country" Starship Troopers the Movie: "We humans are every bit as dumb, violent and animalistic as any alien race that might threaten us"

[@geesterfunk]

check out the old CGI tv cartoon ROUGHNECKS: Starship Trooper Chronicles

[@colin_in_sick]

A lot of the satire/social commentary just doesn't come across well. The propaganda videos are pretty effective, but the main characters come off more as the expected ACTION HEROES than unwittingly complicit victims of such social programming. The idea was clearly there, but not provocative enough for the average viewer (or critic) to really pick up on it. But it doesn't matter anyway, because Denise Richards performance alone is enough to derail the whole movie.

[@purplemicrodot58]

Well put. I try, really try, to enjoy it but ultimately see it as a waste of great late-century special effects. I get what's attempted but the performances don't justify the effort.

[@whyjnot420]

I bought this on VHS back in the day. I have no clue how many times I watched that copy, let alone the ones since then. edit: I had read the book a year or two before I saw the movie (I think hearing about the movie being made is what first got me to notice the book in the first place). It took me about 17 seconds of watching the movie before I had compartmentalized it into its own thing that has nothing at all to do with the book. In the end, I like both. (and the later movies are great cheese).

[@neiltaylor6645]

It was not vic Armstrong who did the stunts you mentioned

[@damaniqphillip2756]

Awesome

[@stevemanart]

Verhoeven failed to make the satire he wanted. He didn't present a fascist anything, he presented a post-libertarian utopia and put everyone in jackboots and wanted you to look past that facts he presents in the movie. Citizenship is seen as a blight on your family line. Civilians were universally well fed, housed, and living freely enough to be wealthy entrepreneurs and even take vacations. The bugs responded to trespassing with attempted genocide, removing any empathy the audience could have for them. The ending isn't even about keeping the war going, its now understanding that the war can end if we keep fighting for now. Nothing about the world he presented abided by the foundational rule of fascism "All for the state, and within the state." The movie says nothing about colonialism. If anything can be pulled from the Mormon settlers, its that exclusion zones usually exist for a good reason. Also, the armor used in Starship Troopers went on to be used by multiple prop houses for movies and TV shows, even including an episode of Power Rangers Lost Galaxy. >tomgirl Nononoonononono that is not what that means... unless you're saying Dizzy is a crossdressing boy...

[@godmaentertainment4375]

The problem was the dramatics. Robocop was a story about a man who loses his family, his body and identity. Starship Troopers the dramatic hook, doesn't have the depth the audience was looking for. Yead sure, science fiction&action but the story has no bit.

[@EpicLebaneseNerd]

saw the movie on opening weekend in cinema, sadly i took my younger brother and cousins with me.....and well, yes, the shower scene, i had to bribe this kids with candy so they don't tell our parents about it, ah the good old days.

[@MikolajF]

@21:35 "Invisible bakon" :D

[@ElJefe3126]

"The book's vision of a perfect futuristic society involved a global militarized government that demanded service of its citizens." Uh, no, you apparently didn't read the book. I knew Heinlein and doubt he would have called the society in Starship Troopers "perfect". Perhaps "better than the one we have now", but not much more than that. If your argument is that the society portrayed in the book was one Heinlein thought we should all be moving in the direction of, I'll buy that. But "perfect"? Heinlein didn't believe in perfect, especially not when it came to human institutions. "...a global...government..." Yes. More than global, it spanned several planets. "...a... militarized government..." No. This was very explicit in the book. Anyone serving in the military was legally ineligible for office. If you wanted to be a senator or President or something like that, you had to separate from the military first; only then could you run for office. "...that demanded service of its citizens." Here we trip over the definition of the word, "citizen". Everyone born in Heinlein's society enjoyed nearly all the same rights we do today, including speech and assembly. One could completely avoid Federal Service and still start a corporation and amass a fortune of billions of credits. Service was demanded only of two things: Voting and running for office. And the majority of people who entered Federal Service did not perform military service! You could not be refused from Federal Service; if you were cognitively and physically challenged, they would create a job for you shredding paper all day for a few years, and then you could (theoretically) be elected to the highest office. The only reason to enter Federal Service was to earn the right to vote and hold office, and it was "luck of the draw" whether or not each candidate was assigned to military service or to something else...provided a candidate was even fit for military service. The majority of people accepted by the Service performed "job corps" type work, anything from changing bedpans at a hospital to building roads and schools. The notion that it was a "militaristic society" "run by the military" is an exaggeration by detractors of the book that has been going on since the early 1960s by people who wanted to discredit Heinlein as a fascist (he was anything but, by today's standards he would be a right-libertarian). Heinlein was in favor of a strong military (remember, the book was written during the Cold War), but he wrote in a contemporary essay that if enough volunteers couldn't be found to defend the country, it wasn't worth saving. This is exactly how the society in the book is structured. Absolutely nobody had to participate in Federal Service if they didn't want to, and if someone did, it was not a given that they would be handed a suit of powered armor and told to go fight.

[@abel-paulbonin3312]

Anytime this movie is playing, I watch it... It definitely was ahead of it's time and it's cult following is well deserved

[@AdamSternberg]

The first movie, plot holes and all, was a fun flick. The sequels however were just absolute garbage.

[@queenofcats1]

I used to pause the shower scene when i was a kid.

[@haste91]

Why MacGyver when explaining who Heinlein was??? Hahaha!

[@PaperSeraglio]

This makes it sound like Verhoeven was sloppy in that he didn't read the book. The book is pretty much kinda pro-fascist, and the movie he wanted to make was antithetical to that. He even said, "I wanna make a movie that's so painfully obvious I didn't read the book that anyone who has read the book is constantly psychological tormented by those who have only seen the movie."

[@MyNameIsDanielYT]

12min 41 - i never understood the live firing exercise inside of a open milatary compound with all those buildings and people in the firing line haha . Besides that , i fucking LOVE Starship Troopers, Dont mind number 2 for a change but cant watch 3 at all !

[@jim1242]

This movie became so much more relevent after 9/11 and the iraq invasion.

[@CliffuckingBooth]

Mobile infantry made me the man Iam today!

[@frakkinMatt812]

Terry Leonard slid under the truck in Raiders not Vic Armstrong.

[@SPTX.]

An utopia isn't bad just because you label it as nazi. He thought he was going to be subtle about it but he just made it appealing instead. A functional society? ho no, the horror! Basically he failed with Starship Troopers where he had succeeded with Robocop. I give him props for trying though. Because I believe movies that ham it up are much worse since they insult the audience's intelligence. Not that it's not deserved most of the time.

[@Gonzo_Bubb]

It doesn't do the book justice. Needs a reboot.

[@poteeto1735]

mistress of the seas? i grew up calling it cut throat island 😅

[@alexmelendez6732]

Still to me the best sci fi movie or one of.

[@brianorblindsey8414]

If you really love this movie, you'll know what to say... We are going in with first wave, means more Bugs for us to kill. You smash the entire area you kill anything that has more than two legs you get me!?

[@gqueirogabr]

And now we have helldivers 2 😅 honestly I was about 12 when I saw this and I enjoyed it for the giant bugs and fighting

[@pastense]

In the book, Rico was a Filipino man. But I get it. Hollywood.

[@mrb7094]

Such a brilliant movie. I 'got' it straightaway. It's smart, fun, sexy, funny and completely works as an action movie. Oh, and it's a blistering critique of fascism. Heinlein would be spinning in his grave, as he richly deserves. And young Denise Richards. Jesus Christ.

[@KamikazeCommie501]

I'd love to ask Paul Verhoeven what's bad about a 'fascist utopia'. It seems like an oxymoron. If it's a utopia, why would it need to be fascist?

[@jay692]

If this classic was released today it would have half the country screaming about how it's "wOkE"

[@CuloHole]

This! 😂😂😂

[@corpusvile1]

Starship Troopers has a militarised society going after an alien enemy whose leader hides in a cave in a desert. It's the only pre 9/11 film that works as a weird post 9/11 allegory. 😱🙃