What Happened to Zenith VR MMO RPG!

What Happened to Zenith VR MMO RPG. What happened to zenith the last city and the now newly named zenith nexus. Should you still play Zenith vr and what does the future of this virtual reality MMO RPG look like. Zenith VR was one of the biggest and most popular vr games of all time but in this video we go into detail what exactly happened with this VR MMO.
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[@VRelity]

Did you every Play Zenith in VR ?

[@hentaro7845]

Never had a VR so no

[@TimeLords910]

i've played it once and got bored afterwards i also got jump scared by someone when trying to make a cookie

[@MethosOhio]

I played it. I enjoyed it most of the way to level 40. Sadly it never seemed to get bug fixes or meaningful story.

[@GabrieleViola]

Sure..cool but mob lag a lot

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

i have im thinking of hoppong on again 1 last time to say good bye

[@texdoc89]

I played when it first released and you could very easily tell they took inspiration from SAO and other VR gaming anime. I just kinda feel like they bit off more than they could chew and tried to become SAO before VR can really get off the ground

[@VRelity]

that is a very good point you make. Did you still enjoy the game though?

[@texdoc89]

@@VRelity Oh yeah at the time it def was a ton of fun at first. I still remember the first time I climbed to the top of the first mountain you encounter in the starter area near the first dungeon... I knew it wasn't SAO but I wondered it this was Kirito felt the first time he logged into SAO. Well before it became a murder death game, that I still say with my vast experience in gaming could def survive 😎🍄

[@Yabuturtle]

VR MMORPGs are such a huge opportunity that many companies aren't using to it's full potential. They really should make more.

[@VRelity]

it sadly takes a lot of time and effort to make them especially in virtual reality

[@Blircos]

The biggest issue with Zenith is that they never finished the core game. The game is still missing key MMO features and some were added when it was too late. The needs player economy, and together with it a better crafting system. The cooking crafting is amazing but sadly it was the only one at the start. It is nice now that we have gathering but it is still not enough. The game needs more professions and a nice crafting system for each one like the cooking. This is important so the players can craft items and sell to each other. Having a good crafting system together with player ecomy really adds to the longevity of a MMO. Zenith is also missing more classes. Having 2 classes only at the start was a shame, and 3 is still not enough. Having different classes also adds to the longevity of an MMO. More classes = more stuff to do. So yeah I would think that these were the 3 key features missing from the launch, which doomed the game: - Crafting -Player Economy - More classes

[@VRelity]

very great comment. I agree. Did you still enjoy playing it a bit though?

[@Blircos]

@@VRelity It's been a good while since I played the last time, but every time I see a video or something about it, I get the desire to play it. I just hope the game is not completely abandoned by the devs. If they continue updating it, I will definitely play it again.

[@nikushim6665]

That's what happens when you give a bunch of inexperienced morons a large sum of investment capital. They HQ'ed in the most expensive place possible and dinked around instead of drawing out a solid roadmap and sticking to a strict runway. Then finished it off with a revenue model that wasn't ever sustainable being that VR is a extremely tiny demographic.

[@paladinnine859]

I’m still playing at least once a week, but I very rarely ever run into other players in the MMO side. It’s still fun, though I don’t know what I’m doing.

[@VRelity]

the game and its concept are awesome I just wish more players were there

[@RJ-zs5mo]

I think the player base started declining after the dungeons were released and they were super buggy. Also, the devs openly opposed to players asking for fixes, microtransactions, etc. They would oppose players at every turn. The devs absolutely destroyed what could have been an amazing game. Initially, it was awesome, but the devs turned awful and were not open to what players were asking for. It was truly a tragic lesson for other future VR devs.

[@VRelity]

hopefully other vr mmo rpgs will learn from it.

[@woodenfloor6374]

I'm completely new to VR and MMORPGs are my absolute favorite genre, the idea of going into towns thriving with players and meeting people to enjoy adventures together is cool. I recently got my VR and wanted to try and find mmorpgs and Zenith is the name I get every single time with barely any others so I'm honestly really sad to see its so dead. I'm not even sure if there's any alternatives seeing as every time I look into mmorpgs this is the one that comes up, are there even any to look forward to?

[@VRelity]

sadly nothing crazy at the moment so hopefully in the future.

[@6brutaka6]

It feels like you're blaming the playerbase for its downfall, saying they got bored without explaining why. The problem with Zenith was the fact they rushed it in order to be *the* VRMMO. It simply did not have enough content to keep players invested. When you compare it to other mmo's on release, the systems, classes, professions, world size; you see just how much it is lacking. Even when you compare current day Zenith to release WoW it is still lacking. It feels like they made an MMO but never compared it to other MMO's; this game was never going to compete with WoW or FF14 or GuildWars, but those games should be a reference. They should of looked at them to see how much they should be releasing to keep people engaged. Also side note, the Zenith mmo is dead, they said they are no longer working on the MMO.

[@VRelity]

I get your point and I agree they need more content but I guess in VR it was to difficult to pull of. And what do you mean it is dead. They are still putting out updates as we speak?

[@6brutaka6]

@@VRelity A response from the creator, a nice surprise. Making a vr game in general is difficult, ive been trying, let alone an mmo. Thats all the more reason to have delayed it until it was good enough. Keep doing betas until you have everything that other mmo's have. You need a lot of content for an always online game. The crowdfunding was successful enough for them to do this. As for the game being dead, while I will admit there is no video or anything saying it will no longer be worked on. There is a video of the ceo saying "we will work on it when we have the money to" at the same time you can find comments from him saying they havent been profitable for a year. You say its being updated as we speak, however I see no post or comment on any update to Zenith - The Last City, only for the dungeon crawler. (i am not in any discord though, so if it was posted there then idk)

[@VRelity]

@@6brutaka6 They are pretty active on discord i would recommend you check it out if you want. And i hope you enjoyed the video. stay awesome

[@SlowRkers]

Tbh Ramen VR should take Zenith as a learning lesson and make another VRMMORPG from scratch and this time with monthly sub. at least with monthly sub they don't have to worry about funding and can instead focus on making a good game and push out meaningful DLCs .

[@VRelity]

I agree. Did you enjoy it at least though ?

[@SlowRkers]

@VRelity I played when Zenith just launched, it was an eye opening experience how wild VR MMORPG cab be as my previous vr mmo I tried was Orbus VR. Over all Zenith at launch was an ok mmo but it felt like alot is missing and not polished. Might try to hop in and try it out again soon

[@The_Gardara]

People like to act like subscription based MMOs are the devil, but the MMOs that have stood the test of time almost all run on subscriptions, free to play games have proven too volatile, and I firmly believe that the people who deny this, are either kids or adults who haven't yet realized they have grown up money and can afford it and don't need to convince their parents.

[@VRelity]

@@SlowRkers give it a try there might be some less people now though

[@bloodyidit4506]

@@VRelity you need to be less obvious as a marketer. It pushes me away from the game.

[@tobysimmonds487]

I played on release date for about a week before I stopped for a while, I couldn't remember why I stopped so I just picked it up again now for the first time in ages and I couldn't find a single person. Combat feels good and everything has so much potential but it's like the game is a ghost town. There's almost no incentive for me to play anymore

[@WamWum]

If you Look for Players the Discord is a Good Place still pretty Active 👀 otherwise i would be up for it 🤣

[@VRelity]

yeah that is true while the game is much more polished they definitely have less players

[@user-oj1ds9dl1b]

they should make new MMO game vehicle horse housing and use so many weapons and ability level up and upgrade armors and also have demon monster and elves dragon machine create their own character they want

[@VRelity]

that would be cool

[@seanpelletier]

They took away my legendary gear on the game, i hadnt played in awhile, and when i started a new file it put me at lvl 40 with legendary stuff. Its been a bit but when i logged back on im lvl 1 with nothing.

[@VRelity]

Wait that is crazy and that shouldn't happen normally

[@seanpelletier]

@@VRelity how would I fix it?

[@VRelity]

@@seanpelletier you sure you used the same login?

[@seanpelletier]

@@VRelity I have two* but it's neither.

[@VRelity]

​@@seanpelletier did you maybe delete the app or are you using a different headset?

[@randybutterjr9570]

I do think they cant keep it going with just cosmetics but this video left out that warframe is still popular and still running and still making money so yes a mmo rpg can run for a very long time but what keeps its players coming back is free DLC and free packs for cosmetics every now and then but its very grindy so it takes a wile to earn what you want and premium currency that you do have to pay for BUT you can also get it through trading with other players for the premium currency with items that are rarer in the game so in conclusion you can have a very long lasting mmo rpg

[@VRelity]

yeah but like you mentioned warframe is a big game while zenith was one of the first VR mmo rpg which means it also has a lot less content then people were hoping for.

[@donosborn9899]

You are incorrect. Guild Wars 2 MMO has been were you buy the base game and can play that as much as you want. No subscription. Now, to support ongoing operations, you have to pay for each major DLC pack as well as have an option of purchasing stuff from the Gem store. This game has been going on for 12 years now with this model, so it does work. Now, I did play Zenith from the beta through to the Celestial Throne update. My kid had it as well so we played online together on different headsets. For us, we left the game because they didn't have time for it anymore with school and other commitments, and playing in the world without them just didn't seem appealing, so I went back to Guild Wars 2 as my primary MMO. I've just lost interest in the whole VR thing in general.

[@SlowRkers]

Though 1 thing you missed out in regards with GW2 is that due that, their devs had a massive layoff as its not possible to keep the game running with a large team. Though GW2 was my 1st MMORPG but now i'm playing FFXIV which feels even more lively when compared to GW2 as devs are able to create great player experiences without worrying about money. I'm not saying its a must for MMORPG to go monthly sub route but those that do tend to last longer and put out more content.

[@VRelity]

I get your point but they also suffered some major layoffs because of that and most mmorpgs cannot sustain like that.

[@kyrorogers1395]

You know, when Palmer Luckey creates a D&D VRMMORPG Hack n Slash game, people will get that game and play it. People will take jobs as NPC people like merchants, blacksmiths, inn keepers, etc. People can really do fights and battle in esports arena tournaments. People can stop hackers from creating a computer virus from death in a game and real life by continuing their adventures. People will become students in esports academies, studding real-life cultures, VR technology history, and D&D history. People will become D&D esports legends. Have faith in Palmer Luckey people. We're counting on him.

[@miataenjoyer8199]

when is release?

[@duckmaster5512]

What’s the game called

[@kyrorogers1395]

@@duckmaster5512 Dungeons & Dragons Reckoning.

[@VRelity]

lets see

[@ganjahousetv3743]

Zenith definitely dropped the ball when they released a MMO with no cosmetic store. We all know cosmetics keeps game companies a float.

[@kaitoshion4933]

Tell that to Larian and Warpfrog. You don't need skins or battle passes to make games that sell, just make games that are WORTHWHILE to players. As for MMOs, I think that monthly subs like WoW or FFXIV with expansion sized DLC (not like modern DLC, I mean true expansions) for a continuing story is the best idea (Think like ESO)

[@icarus3840]

Is there anything a person with the quest one can do? Like are there refunds or something. That’s annoying having to pay 30 dollars for a game that isn’t even worth paying

[@VRelity]

sadly not that I know sorry

[@teddybin10]

This is why it’s not possible to download it anymore on PS5?

[@VRelity]

mhhh I don't think so sadly a lot of great vr games like Skyrim vr got locked behind the original psvr headset

[@OCT101]

Playing it was cool but there was not a lot to do

[@VRelity]

Fair point. Did you still play it recently?

[@dragoonseye76]

I had high hopes. Combat just wasn’t fun. Couldn’t solo. Weapon and armor system was an extremely lazy and uninspired design. Flying around was cool tho.

[@MethosOhio]

Flying and exploring was definitely the best part of Zenith.

[@VRelity]

I get what you mean I hope we can see another better mmo rpg in the future.

[@NeytozINF]

I wanted to like this game but my whole experience with it wasn't that good. Main issue for me is terrible combat.

[@VRelity]

what do you think of the combat in other vr games?

[@dragoonseye76]

I was done with this game after a month

[@VRelity]

Most people sadly but ohwel hopefully something new and exciting is coming again. Thanks for staying a loyal fan man always appreciate seeing your comments.

[@kmo951]

its so sad thet they fucked zenith into a coma and ruend the game

[@VRelity]

I agree because the potential was insane

[@bakaichigo]

Honestly, the F2P mode is a good move since it means a lot of people can try it. If they keep pushing forward with updates and growth of content and refining what they have, they WILL survive the initial drop off that always comes with the rush of people who first finish the current content available. WoW wasn't always majorly popular either! It takes time to build up the player base, and the tech is still so new... I've definitely been convinced to try it out on my new Q3 headset now its got a F2P option to try it out.

[@VRelity]

I hope so my friend. Did you enjoy playing zenith?

[@justicegaminginc]

I stopped playing because the combat physics is so basic especially for melee, fr you can barely move and it will register as a full swing. I get it's supposed to be more MMO like but player intent should matter when dealing out damage. That and a lot of the weapons were very samey in the sense that they were just reskins with different colors and minor texture changes.

[@VRelity]

I see what you mean. Did you still enjoy playing the game at first though?

[@justicegaminginc]

@@VRelity yeah it was fun for a bit, I played it a lot at launch but since I'm a solo player the game became really boring. I feel like if they tweaked the combat and made more unique looking equipment for each crafting material then it would probably be better off.

[@alexmwendwa8589]

one time i open the game and tried to look for players but it was just empty not even one player it was just me some npcs and the monsters

[@VRelity]

sadly the game is almost completely empty now like you described it. I hope you still enjoyed the video though.

[@alexmwendwa8589]

@@VRelity i did

[@VRelity]

@@alexmwendwa8589 awesome

[@Camlo434]

the game was too big and too empty and confusing shoulda kept the game to dungeons. genuinely it was fun doing this content with randoms who didnt step outta the fire

[@VRelity]

fair enough. Did you play it recently still ?

[@Camlo434]

@@VRelity nah, too big and too empty. it was fun meeting random players, but an mmo is as only good if theres people in it

[@VRelity]

@@Camlo434 I agree with you there

[@_nom_]

Is this really a surprise? It runs at 10-15 fps much of the time. And the mechanics are terrible

[@VRelity]

what vr headset are you using?

[@FanTaz1986]

this is factually incorrect vid, zenith killed itself because devs made huge mistake , a lot of peoples got zenith then it was fun , and then dev noticed peoples lvl up to fast and pushed update to make low lvl mobs one shot you , i know at least 50 peoples more or less IRL who stopped playing this game after it, this was first and critical misale , a mistake that killed a game

[@VRelity]

I personally didnt experience that but I can imagine that this could be annoying. I hope you still enjoyed the video

[@kingsillybagel0437]

I will never pay a subscription to play a game because it normally is better off to save the money to get other games

[@VRelity]

I get that

[@ShiYuMeng2]

The graphics are terrible. They should have made it a hybrid - Flat Screen & VR plus the graphics should be WAY better - at least as good as Zelda Breath of the wild. If they did that, then the game would have had a chance.

[@VRelity]

its difficult since on that scale it would take a lot of time.

[@coryv5679]

What happened is people have stupidly low attention spans which can ruin any good game.

[@VRelity]

yeah

[@user-br1nh5yh1h]

Yup everyone rushes to get to the end and then complains that there isn't enough content