What happened when a top American university stopped using race in its admissions process

[@AnthonyLauder]

I studied Intelligent Systems Engineering at MIT in the 1990s. There were almost no black students. Was that because of racism? If so, it was a very unusual form. There were very high numbers of Indian and Chinese students in the department. How did they get in? Why, by academic excellence, of course.

[@Cowboycomando54]

It turns out that cultures that promote exceptionalism and self discipline tend to produce students that seek out degrees in highly difficult and technical fields.

[@Yazz2014]

This is exactly why “progressives” started pooling them all in one group “POC”. they found a way to fudge the numbers by piggybacking on others’ achievements.

[@marktrain9498]

@@Cowboycomando54Everyone wants it to be cultural, because that can be fixed. The differences are caused by something that can’t be fixed.

[@teresabenson3385]

​@@marktrain9498What, skin color?

[@marktrain9498]

@@teresabenson3385 No. Keep trying, though. You'll get it someday.

[@johnharvey848]

Meritocracy should be the only criteria.

[@patrickporter6536]

Criterion.

[@HasturYellowSign]

But that’s “raycist”

[@paulcantrell01451]

Can't believe I'm jumping into this, but "meritocracy only" would make total sense if everything else was equal. So how do you correct for the fact that it's not equal, that there are systemic biases against some groups? One way is to say that enrollment should somewhat track demographics... If the USA is 7% Asian, but a school has 30% Asian enrollment, is there some systemic bias giving Asians an advantage to being admitted? And should you try to correct that? While it's easy to say no, that you should just go on merit alone, that ignores that there may be a feed forward effect, where the kids and grandkids of Asians may then become a higher and higher percentage of enrolled students in the future, and whether that's really how we want this to work? So, there may be some benefit to society to try to keep our institutions more level across demographics such as race... The other thing to consider is that even at a very technical institution like MIT, there are other things we as a society want our educational institutions to teach... The goal of a higher education is multifaceted, and includes being exposed to different cultures, ways of thinking, etc. I think most reasonable people would agree that socializing with people who are different than you helps create a society that is more inclusive and tolerant of each other. So, there's a benefit to society to prevent a situation where higher learning is monopolized by one group over another. As a parent of Asian kids, I did find it infuriating when some schools capped the number of Asian students being admitted, even though Asians are a minority of the population. Yet I see the benefit of trying to give other ethnic groups access to higher learning. Unfortunately, it sucks for the individual student not being admitted in deference to a "less qualified" student. But I see from our society's standpoint why there is some benefit to that as well. Personally I think the Supreme Court got this one wrong, and should have gone with a more intermediate solution which allows for some racial diversity policies, but some protections against it going too far one way or the other...

[@bobblue_west]

@@paulcantrell01451 (Personally I think the Supreme Court got this one wrong,) They got it right. I listened to the oral arguments. They were weak for more exclusion. And the case was brought by Asian Americans.

[@albert7311]

There are biases which push Asian kids to do better including that they have Asian personalities and Asian brains. Add in that their parents ideally will also have Asian personalities and Asian brains and you have a virtuous cycle where Asians do well in academia. If you have a multicultural society the only ‘correction’ Is to hold back groups which are genetically or culturally adapted for success in the particular society. Two good examples are Asians in academia and Muslims in reproduction. As you do rightly point out if they are not held back they will dominate. Your solution of socialising doesn’t work for the masses because they don’t have the time or inclination to socialise outside their own communities.

[@artmallory970]

They said the quiet part out loud...

[@artmallory970]

@@TheProletariat.. Small hats

[@6teeth]

Some are dumber? ROFL

[@wrongthinker843]

@@LordSnobbington-6776 Here comes the wall street defender. Hoping for a handout?

[@artmallory970]

@@Hiddenhand. What does boot polish taste like, pendejo?

[@jamescampbell8845]

@@Oblivion... oscuma's nose isn't that big

[@martynspooner5822]

The problem is China and other competitors are not playing the same game and the USA should be careful they do not get left behind. Drop meritocracy at your own peril.

[@Demmie-nl2qh]

Far, far, too late.

[@guest6398]

And they had a higher base of eye cue in the first place. We're simultaneously lowering ours through mass migration and handicapping the smart people we actually have.

[@geoffdundee]

@@guest6398 💯👍

[@susandrydenhenderson6234]

And it is the enemies within who promote such destructive policies.

[@martynspooner5822]

@@susandrydenhenderson6234 I think you are right, I am all for equal opportunity but they have taken it beyond that by a ways.

[@1977ajax]

An American orchestra instituted 'blind auditions' because it held there were not enough black musicians in it. When they did, the number of blacks _went down!_ They stopped blind auditions immediately.

[@jackspencer8290]

This is a lie posted by a troll. American orchestras have had blind auditions for decades and continue to do so.

[@Psmith-ek5hq]

@@jackspencer8290 But is it true that the number of black musicians went down once blind auditions were initiated?

[@einsam_aber_frei]

Perhaps we should have blind audition for more jobs. That’s much fairer than any DEI initiative.

[@Yazz2014]

In the 70’s and 80’s blind auditions were implemented and by the 90’s using data on orchestra personnel, the switch to "blind" auditions can explain between 30% and 55% of the increase in the proportion female among new hires. In 2020 New York Times published: To Make Orchestras More Diverse, End Blind Auditions. In a 2014 study, only 1.8 percent of the players in top ensembles were Black; just 2.5 percent were Latino. So that means that with blind auditions Blacks and Latinos do not fare well, it’s not that their numbers went down they were never up in the first place.

[@mikeohagan2206]

Perhaps Blacks prefer different types of music, more exciting than orchestra. there are not many people that make a living playing in orchestras, compared to other modern musical genres. give me rythym and blues, jazz, rock and roll, blues and other popular types of music.I know i do.

[@leonardgibney2997]

Shoehorning blacks into positions based on skin colour has been rightly called "the bigotry of low expectations".

[@patrickporter6536]

Look what happened in South Africa...

[@HaleyChain-vw8rr]

As much to do with the individual rather than anyone else, why they should have low expectations given their history in America is understandable.

[@If-Liberty-Means-Anything...]

We want our societies to be run effeciently, not broken down because we' are dragging a dead horse with us.

[@sandgrownun66]

Diversity quotas end up with the opposite.

[@If-Liberty-Means-Anything...]

@@sandgrownun66 It's pretty obvious in America, where people aren't chosen because of their skill but their skin color or gender. Chicago is the biggest example of that, cries racism nearly everything is run by black people and when the citizens ask if something could be done against the high crime they play the "It\s racism" card. Follow the Channel Memology101 and you'll see an army o race baiters and failed Democratic cities.

[@mills-z9k]

​@@sandgrownun66riiiiiight

[@Joedirt3349]

​@sandgrownun66 sure they do sweetheart!

[@sandgrownun66]

@@Joedirt3349 Yes, they do, darling.

[@omgitsabloodyandroid5161]

Always remember if you have a life-saving operation you want the best or DEI? DEI is also spelt DIE

[@RedactedATS]

Or EDI as my organisation is now using. Sadly, most people are too dumb to spot that it's just jumbling up the letters, so playing anagram games tends to work 😔

[@Jaymark-gk4li]

Think I told the story of the black New York policeman I met in England on an exchange visit..his blokes loved him ,he had refused to be a 'quota' Sergeant and had re taken the exam having worked harder and passed on merit..'how could I look these guys in the eye knowing I didn't deserve to be in this position ' he told me....Good man 😊

[@karensback]

Wolf in sheep's clothing

[@Jaymark-gk4li]

@@karensback very cynical methinks.

[@lteee444]

makes me think of men in womens sports...when i hear of their first place and winning medals i always think how can you feel so prideful that you won that, you didnt win that coz you are the best at your sport or you worked hard and you were on a level playing field with your competitors, you just won it coz ur a man that overpowered a woman

[@Jaymark-gk4li]

@@lteee444 exactly 💯 👏

[@nunyabiznes33]

​​@@lteee444LOL this reminded me of that creature that have been beating girls in weightlifting and gloating about it. Eventually the male coach of those girls have had enough, identified appropriately, joined the contest and beat the jerk. As expected, jerk couldn't stop whining. 😂

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

Thomas Sowell has done a video showing how affirmative action can be counter productive for the people that it's supposed to benefited, as well as everyone else.

[@sandgrownun66]

As soon as they hit the workplace. It's gonna become so obvious, that it was all a scam.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

@@sandgrownun66 But they'll be hired because of affirmative action, so they'll be given very little to do. I was speaking to a work colleague the other day, and he said that when he's dealing with suppliers, almost all of the people are incompetent, he speaks to about one person a year that can actually do their job. I know a woman who I suspect was hired because of affirmative action, she seemed to go on lots of training courses and trade shows, the daft thing is, she's very intelligent and capable - which I think they've now realized.

[@mjones4083]

@@sandgrownun66 & then come the accusations of racism when their inability is flagged up .

[@sandgrownun66]

@@mjones4083 Yes, they always have the "r". word to fall back on. So they can never lose. Except when its something like flying a passenger jet. Then nobody would walk away smiling anyway.

[@Yazz2014]

@@sandgrownun66This ain’t over by a long shot, they’ve already got that covered. And as far as the pilot jobs go, they won’t take those, they’ll go for low profile well paying ones and sit there and look pretty while making others do their work. It’s already happening at an alarming rate.

[@fearthehoneybadger]

The competent students who belonged there increased?

[@99Michael]

Going to many university and college websites, the schools showcased black students front and center in the photographs, holding up flasks or studying in the library. Judging from the catalog, one would think that the top student scholars were solely black men and women.

[@mjones4083]

Not only the websites . Here in London the ads for university /college places - shown on buses , billboards etc are almost exclusively black -with some Asians thrown in for "equality " .

[@jamescampbell8845]

@mjones4083 damn near everything is represented especially tv commercials. I wish I could be around 50 years from now to see just how far mankind has come under black rule lolol. Ahahahaha

[@StanfordJohnsey]

@@jamescampbell8845 No need. Just look at South Africa and Zimbabwe.

[@nicholaseager9201]

Also so many wearing Rainbow Flags.

[@chipcook5346]

I like all the advertisements where the couples are always multiracial. Or non-binary. Or multi-racial and non-binary. Amusing that in the USA, there aren't enough non-Caucs around for that to be a thing.

[@lesigh1749]

An American university, Harvard no less, awarded David Lammy a degree, which anyone who had ever heard Lammy speak would have to conclude was a DEI quota diploma.

[@DS-fo4ed]

A degree to celebrate an IQ of 50

[@lesigh1749]

@@DS-fo4ed It certainly wasn't in biology. he thinks a human male can grow a uterus if they take the correct hormones.

[@kenneth9874]

And they wonder why degrees don't help get jobs

[@martynspooner5822]

@@lesigh1749 If anyone saw him on celebrity master mind a UK tv show, they would be in total agreement with this statement.

[@richardthomas5362]

Harvard is no longer a top tier institution. One of their former presidents faced a lot of problems because she had plagiarized her work. Harvard faculty ended up supporting her because I suppose that without plagiarism Harvard scholarship would not be any good.

[@spannerturnerMWO]

Ever notice how they would flaunt how many minorities they would accept but not how many would graduate? If you look at the two figures, it proves that merit based admissions is a better indicator of success. Which goes against their narrative. Thomas Sowell discusses this at length.

[@chipcook5346]

There is a strong incentive for heavy schools to graduate anyone they accept. Sowell's book talks about the early days of this before Z curriculums developed.

[@marilena7848]

@@chipcook5346 The "Z curriculum" trick has been in operation for decades. We've developed whole departments to accommodate the inept, most notably "Black Studies" and other grievance studies. Several departments, most notably sociology and education (never very serious to begin with) have been heavily corrupted. You have only to read Michelle Obama's senior thesis at Princeton to see how pathetic this sort of "education" is. HOWEVER, Sowell's argument still holds true in the sciences. It is not mere coincidence that this video is talking about a school renown for math and engineering. The idiocy of admitting all these students who cannot hack those disciplines only to see them migrate to the paltry "humanities" departments or, far more often, drop out is just too obvious.

[@pullybungieharder]

@@chipcook5346 "Strong incentives" don't override the competitive edge for Asian students who had typically scored at least 200 points higher on the SAT, which was part of the basis of the lawsuit against the Ivy League schools which triggered this change.

[@chipcook5346]

@@pullybungieharder I'm not sure what argument you are trying to make. My comment had to do with people who shouldn't be there because they don't have the chops.

[@charlessmith-vh9cw]

percentage graduating was an easy fix as all the universities had to do was give passing grades. The real problem came out when the results of professional competency exams revealed that race based admissions created a huge problem

[@Wolf-hh4rv]

No one is more racist than those claiming to fight racism.

[@nunyabiznes33]

They doth protest too much

[@halbleavy9900]

Well, that's a stupid statement.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

@@halbleavy9900 A lot of the ones claiming to fight racism are just racists of a different sort. Unless, of course, you accept their new definition, which absolves them of it.

[@jrstf]

@@halbleavy9900 - Seems it was an obviously true statement. If they were admitting students based on skin color, is that not racist?

[@howardbills2532]

Irrespective of skin colour, it is a bit of a worry when the doctor you are consulting starts to Google your symptoms....

[@larkop6504]

Facts, going to gps has been like going to nursery school. 11 years without a diagnosis, at 43 I can barely move and get told don't know, uck off, your getting old. At 32 I was training 6 days a week, would regularly run 10+ miles, spar regularly etc. They are getting paid fortunes and are not accountable for the mass murder over the last few years, complicit and should be on murder charges. Apologies for the rant, The thought of British doctors and competence in the same sentence fills me with rage.

[@joytotheworld9109]

It's concerning when they think you're so thick they think they can do it in front of you without hurting their credibility.

[@qunngiaqti]

lol that is exactly what happens at my GP. Had an interesting experience the other day was texted to come in for a COPD review which I duly made an appointment for and attended. The lady doctor asked me what I was there for so I told her and she says calmly as you like I do not know what that is. She asked me what do they normally do so I said they do blood pressure weight and listen to the chest with a stethoscope, also told her was having difficulty throwing off a cold from last winter. Well guess what she opted not to listen to the chest as she did not know about chests. Duh..................... Although she is Eastern European I cannot help but wonder if this is the norm these days, as training is done by politics rather than ability.

[@conorgribbin3928]

I hear farmers often saying one would be better of going to the vet..... a cow can't tell ye whats wrong with it😁

[@qunngiaqti]

@@conorgribbin3928 lol And there is a lot of truth in that. I for one would prefer a vet providing it was an older farm vet rather than a small animal practice vet lol. As far as I am concerned the GP is where you go to get a signature to get one's prescription. Other than that I just see them as a Database collection company.

[@davidmclachlan6592]

The majority of black people who are at university are there for the same reason as the majority of black people on our tv screens.

[@MystikalSmoker1776]

Not the same reasons the make up the majority of inmates though. 🤔

[@FabianDialer-vw1zk]

Comedic relief?

[@TheMentalblockrock]

In the UK they are merely there as an immigration scam.

[@brandyraccoon1473]

The people at university end up designing bridges, operating on humans, creating new laws, and flying our planes. The people on our TV screens merely pretend to do so.

[@davidmclachlan6592]

@@brandyraccoon1473 are the black people in universities also designing bridges, learning to fly supersonic airplanes and operating on people ?

[@rekzkat]

Looking at aviation incident statistics in the USA since DEI became a factor in the recruitment of air traffic controllers makes interesting reading. I'd much prefer my safety to be in the capable hands of someone who got the job solely on merit.

[@KemetledAfrica]

Flying has never been safer

[@jamessones4044]

The Don lemon Elon musk ‘interview’ displayed how these cult minded weirdos refuse to acknowledge how letting the person who came 6th/12 can be the Brain Surgeon too!! That’s fine as long as the politicians that are pushing it can display total confidence by letting THEIR KIDS be operated on by the DEI hire? Oh they don’t want that? Yes,exactly.!!!

[@DesHewitt-mj8lb]

@@KemetledAfrica Thank goodness for the auto pilot then you reckon ?

[@KemetledAfrica]

@@DesHewitt-mj8lb Try researching what is required to be a pilot. Stupid people such as you won't make the grade

[@johnrieley1404]

The elevation of popular culture in many communities has demolished reading and writing.

[@JurassicRod]

It's no coincidence that the quality of movies and TV have gone down hill since these media companies started focusing on diversity hires rather than hiring people best qualified for jobs.

[@RandallvanOosten-ln5wf]

I believe that with the "entertainment industry" the problem is multifaceted but summarized by DEI. First, they over represent blacks in acting roles in which they normally cannot be seen as villains. The actual crime and violence statistics, of course, makes these portrayals seem bizarre. Secondly, they have pushed out the "old guard" of white, male, experienced behind-the-scenes personnel (e.g. writers, musicians, set designers, producers, directors, etc.). They have been replaced by less competent women and Rainbow People. This new wave of personnel are highly ideological and primarily want to convey "The Message" to the audience. The audience, though, wants entertainment from the "entertainment industry." The new guard seems unable to grasp this.

[@Thenogomogo-zo3un]

New Disney

[@99Michael]

Kathleen Kennedy's "The Future is female" has destroyed the Star Wars franchise and has brought the Bud Light school to Disney, costing hundreds of workers their jobs and careers

[@BruceJackson-lx2dw]

What U opine makes sense to me my friend.

[@lookoutforchris]

Same thing has happened with our video games, computer software, and jet airliners it seems…. And that’s just naming the things that easy to notice.

[@robertthomson1587]

It just goes to show how many undeserving students were being admitted.

[@tombeegeeeye5765]

You do realize even the rejected at MIT are to cream of the crop, dumb ass,

[@Renovatio2]

It's exactly the same system used by women. Here in ireland we use a points based system to get into universities (the CAO). During the pandemic our Gov and education authority stated girls were being disadvantaged by being graded on the same scale as boys instead of a preferential scale being employed to elevate their grades in the schools leading to higher CAO points. So the same quality of work done by a girl is being systemically graded higher than that of a boy.

[@asumazilla]

Poor dears, they will need support forever.

[@jimh4072]

Get your son to say he is a tranny until he gets the exam results. 😂

[@maalikserebryakov]

@@asumazillathis is why i refuse to tutor girls anymore. im sick of men being shafted in every area of life.

[@BruceJackson-lx2dw]

a sign of the times..sick times, for R of I and UK my friend.

[@marilena7848]

Good grief. It's insane.

[@DM-it2ch]

We've had many years of DEI appointments in univesities supplying new recruits to industries like engineering. And all of a sudden, we have Boeing planes falling out of the sky. Anyone shocked???

[@KemetledAfrica]

Name one boeing plane that has recently fell out of the sky

[@mjones4083]

Not as much as the passengers on those planes !

[@asumazilla]

​@@KemetledAfricaSouthwest Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 on 11 April, Landing in Hawaii.

[@jamescampbell8845]

@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108 no now just doors fall off etc. It's no better and will only get worse til EVERYTHING CHANGES AT BOEING they had their chance and don't know how to do anything right. For years Boeing was a great co. I wondered what changed?????? Oh, I know

[@TP-om8of]

@@KemetledAfrica I just saw one. Hey, there’s another! Duck!

[@christiandupille3690]

As a humble working class type I don’t really know how the university thing works. However I got to attend a graduation at Nottingham Law University last month. The number of African graduates that the announcer was struggling to say the names of was a sight to behold, easily over 50%

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Of the 150 graduating from Sussex in Media Studies 84 were from South Korea.

[@ib9rt]

Yes, because in African countries like Nigeria, every parent expects their child to become a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer, or some other professional. Therefore, in Europe you will find a huge number of Africans in professional positions. In the USA, the converse is true. For a black person in America to work hard and seek professional accomplishment is seen as a betrayal of their race and culture, and they are looked down upon by their peers.

[@KingTheRat]

@@ib9rt The Nigerians-born Americans are still outstanding in the US. And they have strong family values and work ethics. And you will find many professors, doctors and other professionals from this background. Its not about the race or skin color. Its about the culture of the family & community. The African-Americans descended from slavery have their family destroyed and that has a really long lasting effect. I... have no ideas on how to fix that. When there is no family support or strong community and its just single moms raising kids in poverty, it is a endless cycle of destruction.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

@@KingTheRat In the US, in 1960's and earlier, Blacks had very strong families. That is no longer true... and it is entirely their own fault.

[@phineasrumson3116]

I was not admitted to a certain college because of racism; I am white and they had to save seats for AA "students". I went to my second choice and we had about 30% black students. By mid semester, about half of them dropped out! By graduations, only about 3 % were left!

[@garygriffiths154]

Selecting dumber students deliberately, invariably leads to dumber people in power, eventually.

[@andrewmurray5300]

@@garygriffiths154 prime example Dave lamy.

[@HaleyChain-vw8rr]

How smart was the person that came up with that idea ?

[@shazamshazamshazam696]

LOL, that must be why the dumbest people in Congress are White Republicans and why the dumbest President we every had is White.

[@samuelschick8813]

It starts a lot sooner than higher education. Mom knew a woman ( Mary) who was a teacher in Hawthorne, Florida. One day Mary is mad and started talking to mom about what happened. The local school board called a teachers only meeting and told the teachers not enough blacks were passing and to lower their passing grades. Mary said doing that would only hurt the students more who could not do the assignments and not challenge those who could. May offered to stay after hours and hold a tutoring session for students who needed help. What was the boards reply to Mary? " Lower your passing grading standards or find a new job."

[@anonygent]

What do you mean "eventually"? We're already there.

[@chieftandriver703]

If there was a university for complaining about everything being unfair because ’I is black, innit’ then we would be surrounded by 1st class honours degree holders I think we should put a picture of who designed the bridge you are about to drive on or who is just about to perform open heart surgery on you. Let the customer choose

[@keithdukes5990]

🎯💯

[@marilena7848]

Hey, that's what Black Studies departments are! They produce a lot of "honor" students!

[@Vzzdak]

Very easy to have concern and take action when it is other people's money that you are spending to "rectify" the issue.

[@HaleyChain-vw8rr]

Ironic , the number of channels expressing whyte victimhood and anxiety has doubled lately,

[@davidreynolds6477]

I listened to Thomas Sowell talking about this the other day his conclusion was that letting people in because of their ethnicity has spoiled some of Americas best universities

[@Drareg-x3m]

There are no more universities, particularly in the UK.

[@elbuggo]

They are also set up to fail. They are not fit to keep up with the progression. They cant keep up, and then they fail. It is too steep and too high for them.

[@ginojaco]

Tom Sowell is an example of a man where he is on pure merit. 👍

[@joytotheworld9109]

Damaged institutions and undermined the percieved value of qualifications held by people that would have succeeded anyway but now due to their heritage or otherwise got lumped in with unsuitable applicants.

[@KingdomofHeaven-vd9hr]

If they are so concerned with the optics, can't they just include the cleaners, in the photographs?

[@captainplatinum]

In a good environment the cream rises to the top, in a bad environment, shit floats. Er go everything is dissolving !

[@HaleyChain-vw8rr]

All that shines is not necessarily gold

[@johncollins8980]

The more they tinker- the lower the standard ensues.........

[@Paul-qs3nu]

Can't we just pay them to turn up for the photographs, like they do on TV

[@Charlie-oj4wj]

If the American courts can rule this practice as racist why can't the British courts do the same.

[@Jezza_One]

We have two tier law here.

[@Tourist1967]

Mostly because there isn't, and never was, affirmative action legislation in the UK. No Lyndon B Johnson Executive Order 11246, which required the use of affirmative action by employers working on government contracts. Due to student pressure, affirmative action spread to universities.

[@tonysheerness2427]

@@Tourist1967 It is called positive discrimination in the UK

[@jaystrickland4151]

The supremacy of Parliament.

[@amialal4510]

@@tonysheerness2427 It's called blk supremacy in the US. Look up Charlie Cheon.

[@Vile_Entity_3545]

You walk into shops and there is a lot of certain people on the tills and it shows. 5 times in the last few months I have been given either real bad customer service (hostility) or short changed which I am sure if I did not say anything the couple of quid would be making its way into their coffers. Till work is for people who have a capability to do maths and it is glaringly obvious that DEI is in play with these companies because they wouldn’t have been employed without it. This can have only one outcome….the slow and miserable downward spiral for a once great nation.

[@Occident.]

Oh dear me. If only you had voted Nationalist back in the day eh?

[@KemetledAfrica]

You don't need a high level of math to operate modern till. Tell your Jackanory elsewhere

[@johncummins3860]

But you do need to be literate !!​@@KemetledAfrica

[@jamessones4044]

ASG scoring is destroying society aswell by rewarding companies that offend customers (bud light)

[@Yazz2014]

⁠@@KemetledAfricaAre you a child? The till might calculate the sum but the clerk still has to make change.

[@martingibbs1869]

If everyone gets a prize it ain't worth winning.

[@Thenogomogo-zo3un]

"Everybody wins!" "WHOOPEE!"

[@frankdutton9852]

How many of these ethnically advantaged, but only mediocre academically gifted, students drop out of their courses due to their inability to keep up.

[@jackdeniston6150]

Nope, they go on to lesser degrees. Bachelior of underwater basket weaving theory

[@Rubybutterfly666-k6g]

A college professor told me they are not allowed to critique black people they must pass them even if they hadn't done the work😮

[@jamescampbell8845]

@frankdutton9852 no no our schools are DUMBING DOWN so everyone remains equal. The m f'ing professors figure in a few years all nations will run like fine tuned clocks

[@Rubybutterfly666-k6g]

@@StooFras-TheFiresofHell. hee hee hee hee no we can't

[@thatwilldonicely1314]

And they will never be booted out regardless of their incompetence because it's 'wacist'​@@StooFras-TheFiresofHell.

[@richardhockey8442]

A university dumps affirmative action - fewer black students enter the university, but the ones that did get in, qualified on their own merits and completed their courses, instead of dropping out because they were not able to handle the work

[@mjones4083]

That great thinker Thomas Sowell (himself black) has been trying to put this (very important ) point across for decades now .

[@karensback]

NONE of them got in due to merit.

[@eduardosuarez2414]

They're still doing it. 5% black is still way too high to have happened organically. Less than 2% of black students have good enough test scores to get into good colleges on merit.

[@Stevef2022]

@@eduardosuarez2414I wouldn’t say that. You’ve probably the absolute top African American students trying to get into MIT so it is a self selective population. Let me not pretend there aren’t plenty of very smart Black people (I know a few myself).

[@eduardosuarez2414]

@@Stevef2022 I don't know what your point is. The SAT score required to get into MIT is between 1400-1600. Less than 2% of black students in America get that score. That's not my opinion, that is fact. So if 5% of students admitted to MIT are black, it means they still have their thumb on the scale.

[@lostronin380]

Nowadays I treat anybody bringing up the fact they have a degree with great suspicion.

[@Scatup]

The fact that most employers make graduate job applicants sit a basic maths and English test says it all.

[@russelsellick316]

I went to a Polytechnic and for about 50 years now I have often looked at Degreed persons with great amusement... 😂

[@FART-REPELLENT]

I have a Ph.D in Fartology.

[@jamescampbell8845]

@@lostronin380 I don't think it's fair to make the chosen ones go to college , ,,,,,, just send them a list of different degrees, let them choose, mail it to them.

[@ePeterRobinson]

Why? I have a degree!

[@VasVanek]

DEI = Didn't Earn It

[@DesHewitt-mj8lb]

@@GreggFellows No, sounds sensible...

[@Occident.]

Only Nationalism can save our nations.

[@GretsGarbo-h9m]

Agree. We have gone too far down the identity politics route.

[@Rampart.X]

​@@Furnace.That elephant has a big nose.

[@dandre3K]

@@Furnace.Y’all let them back in 111 times 😂

[@drbalbon7332]

And too far down the multicultural route. ​@@GretsGarbo-h9m

[@michaelfraser5723]

ONLY A CHIEF RABBI CAN

[@kevinwall795]

It's not positive discrimination, it is racism.

[@theenglishman8668]

If it quacks like a duck, it probably is a 🦆.

[@kenneth9874]

And it's been going on for over a half century.

[@theenglishman8668]

​@@kenneth9874🎯 That's actually why our fathers and grandfathers fought WW2, and we're being forced to pander to them, for ever.

[@philiphumphrey1548]

The admissions to Oxbridge were never objective. In the 1970s I was in a state grammar school. We had some excellent A level results (when grade "A" really meant something) but we only ever got either 2 or 3 people admitted to Oxbridge every year, no matter how well the school did. Quite clear they didn't want too many state school oiks in those days. Later during my work career I visited Cambridge universities and was less than impressed with what I saw.

[@AtticusBleep]

Funny thing is that nowadays incredibly gifted and hard-working private school students are routinely denied entry to the Oxbridge mob. I’ve seen it and lamented the waste of talent.

[@AnthonyLauder]

Most schools only ever got a few pupils admitted to Oxbridge. Just because somebody was the top pupil at your school doesn't mean they will get in. When I was a boy, a typical offer at Oxford was three or four grade As at A-level and one or two grade 1s at S-level, and even that wasn't enough, since the required interviews to show you had a maturity of thought. This meant only the very best were admitted, even if that meant the brainiest kids in your school weren't up to it.

[@blackdog1392]

Yes entry to any University pre BLIAR was based on academic achievements: O & A levels but the British class system has always ensured 'social mobility' was very limited indeed as the 'old boy' network has mostly excluded the lower classes from having any real power/influence especially within the Civil Service or Judiciary in spite of an Oxbridge degree.. Meritocracy has never existed in GB and the congenital mediocrity and sense of entitlement of the establishment class is all to visible now.

[@myshowcase8818]

Agreed. My English teacher in the '60s went to Oxford University and told me the private school she went to had a longstanding annual quota for entrants to a particular Oxford College. Another example of its not what you know but who you know.

[@jamesmc1272]

Yes, I was in a comprehensive in the north, never mind Oxford only one kid went to Uni out of a 300 pupil year .

[@laurentitolledo1838]

imagine undergoing critical surgery (like a heart bypass, or brain tumor removal), done by a group of doctors who got their positions not because they passed strict qualifications, expertise and experience but thru DEI quotas...

[@andrewmurray5300]

Back in the sixties I attended a year long engineering course at a further education college before starting my apprenticeship and the top certificate was the merit certificate only the top ten students got one and this was out of over a hundred plus students the merit achievers got the pick of the best apprenticeships going.

[@FHi349]

Right Mr. Andrew!

[@squirepraggerstope3591]

"What happened when a top American university stopped using race in its admissions process" A quite rapid and noticeable improvement in several regards, at a guess.

[@d.d.4703]

Quotas don't do any favours for black people. There will be the doubt that they weren't the best and therefore their degrees are devalued. If they did get there by merit then they will be expected to prove it and be scrutinized in a way which wouldn't happen to white graduates. I would be really hacked off if l was black, bright and deserving of a place at the best universities. But, positive discrimination doesn't just extend to students, it is also applied to lecturers and principals. Remember the recent Claudia Gay debacle where she was caught out with a plagiarised PhD.

[@ginojaco]

The black students taken into Oxbridge due to their race rather than ability, always seem to 'cope' with the academic rigour... at least, their tutors ensure that they appear to do so... 😐

[@josephr.gainey2079]

Or, more probably, the tutors lowered the standards to make them look like they are in the same class students as the other students.

[@Thenogomogo-zo3un]

@@josephr.gainey2079 Their work is marked accordingly.

[@nickmiller76]

Yeah, I'd love to see some of the essays Abbott wrote when she was doing History at Cambridge, and Lammy when he was at Harvard.

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

Almost impossible for ex-public school kids to get into Oxbridge today. Unless they’re skins are adapted to a lot of sun.

[@pullybungieharder]

Many did not, nor did they do so at Harvard and MIT. The graduation rate at MIT is about 90% for black students, about 96% for white students, and that's still for students accepted under these "inclusive" policies. We'll see if that changes in the next few years.

[@Joseph-ax999]

One thing Simon should have added is graduation rates. Inferior students are not going to be able to compete with the better students.

[@johnbowkett80]

Its good to see you have a little chuckle to yourself Simon .......... Keep it up . 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb]

Thank you, I hope I shall!

[@KemetledAfrica]

0:14 ​@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb Chris Imafidon and wife Ann, are parents to twelve-year-old twins Peter and Paula, who made history as the youngest children in ever, in the United Kingdom, to attend high school - before then also setting world records by passing A/AS-level math papers.

[@draoi99]

@@KemetledAfrica Nice anecdote mate. Learn statistics.

[@davidgoulden5956]

@@KemetledAfrica And? What is your point?

[@KemetledAfrica]

@@draoi99 You should

[@malicant123]

Profezza Jamil is not happy.

[@BonusHole]

And oh look Shaniqua has been triggered...

[@MrTIGERH1752]

I never saw what meritocracy had to do with skin color, or gender. I served in the United States Air Force, during the last four years of the Vietnam conflict. I worked with many technical people of different races, religions, and genders. Every one of them was excellent in their field, and well rounded as an individual. A Black technician, was as good as an Hispanic technician, who was as good as a Female technician, and they were all just as good as me, being a half-bred English Cherokee guy. If we wanted to pick on each other, we all had lots of personal faults, however, our technical abilities were unmatched by most others in similar technology. Our Air Force did a great job of screening and promoting electronic technicians. I served with the best, and I still value them as friends today. Even those who have passed on. Tim

[@ric6383]

'A racket' is an honest description of these practices. Positive discrimination is firstly racist, and secondly is a huge disadvantage to any black/brown people it's supposed to help. It is now the unspoken opinion of most people that blacks in positions of authority are there because of the colour of their skin. This is a huge disservice to those who simply do a good job.

[@roystonfarquhar9683]

It is still an absolute reality in South Africa. All in favour of Blacks.

[@nicholasmorrill4711]

The schools I went to I think my future was already mapped out.Boring dos'nt begin to describe the type of lessons we had there.

[@nicholasmorrilI4711]

*doesn't

[@nicholasmorrilI4711]

Sorry, typo on my part.

[@nicholasmorrilI4711]

I failed at school. I lacked intelligence, which is why I am impressed by Simon Webb.

[@johnbowkett80]

​@@nicholasmorrilI4711Pedant . 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@charliegirI3056]

I didn't do well in school either I was too busy shagging around.

[@james-t1l3e]

why take on all that debt for a useless degree anyway

[@Vile_Entity_3545]

Good let them all be in debt forever. More fool them to believe they will be employed at the best companies. It has always been the sons and daughters of the higher classes that get those positions and still do mainly. They only get put in top positions in public jobs and it is starting to show. Good service is nose diving fast.

[@AnthonyLauder]

Many of these black students will receive scholarships so take on no debt. Indeed, one of the recent scandals has been the high number of scholarships that are only available to black people.

[@graemef6852]

Because they then use the fact they have a degree and their skin colour to get into highly paid jobs which they are unable to carry out effectively. Take a good look at the line ups of numerous police forces and see all the diversity hires, including women, and then compare it to police performance nationally. These people are on six figure salaries. I think that will answer your question.

[@54nd5p1d3r]

im sure they got in for free with your taxes

[@jamescampbell8845]

@james-t1l3e no worries the dems will pay it off for you

[@disgruntledtoons]

The first thing that happened when the race criteria were dropped was that the self-styled "civil rights" community had a meltdown.

[@woz7379]

What is the ethnic make up of university janitors.

[@peteratkinson922]

Al Jolson number 3?

[@Vandal_Savage]

Scottish.

[@SmokeroftheFuture-y5c]

@@Vandal_Savage kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoGQip17mM2WpMk&pp=ygUPd2lsbGllIHNpbXBzb25z

[@NerveFlux]

Well I got to help install the lights on that dome. Part Irish part Italian part this and that... Lithuanian... Some would say apprentices like us were too mixed to belong anywhere. Not the right minority on instructor told the class. What did I learn? hmm... I worked hard to qualify for a scholarship and the competition was unbelievable

[@mpetersen6]

I don't care. As long as they are competent at their job.

[@rogerthatt7217]

I recall an airline which employed a handsome actor to dress as a pilot and walk through the aircraft cabin prior to a flight saying 'Good Morning, it's going to be a lovely flight' or similar to the passengers. He would then exit the aircraft leaving the real pilot to do his job. A company's front desk display of DEI could be achieved in the same way.

[@johncummins3860]

Did the passengers exit the aircraft as well ?!!

[@Sea-land8232]

Ha ha, if thats true. It's hilarious.... The good looking 'pilot' to sooth nerves.

[@rogerthatt7217]

@@Sea-land8232 Then there's the other story of the airline pilot who, for a joke, walked through the passenger cabin with dark glasses and tapping a white stick. He got the sack for that.

[@davidjacobs8558]

I heard Roger Moore became an officer right after being drafted into UK Royal Army, because he "look the part", not because he had any merit. he said that himself in an interview about his experience in the army.

[@nunyabiznes33]

​@@rogerthatt7217that's hilarious! I can't imagine what the passengers were thinking at thr moment.

[@HermanIngram]

I be goin to MIT, y’knowumsayin?

[@robplazzman6049]

I need to stop laughing at this kind of comment before they lock me up !

[@TheAMBULOCETUS]

Yo’ maing, Iz gonna beez a bakabawl star at Oxford! Gnomesayin?

[@northernlights8126]

😂😂😂@Herman

[@englishciderlover7347]

I can't remember the last time I saw a West Indies cricket team photo with a W hite player in it. That's bad optics.

[@bendenisereedy7865]

There's another factor at work, which is that young Africans whose parents have sent them to uni in the UK or USA don't want to have to return to Africa to take over the running of the family business, so they lurch onwards doing degree after degree in the hope of staving off the day when family obligations force them to return to become the breadwinner and carer and deal with the corrupt bureaucracy that makes running a business deeply stressful nowadays and tougher than post independence when their fathers started the business.

[@pullybungieharder]

That's not racially unique. Being perpetual students is a lifestyle for many students, including my ex-wife and her three wasted degrees.

[@davidgavin7280]

The bell curve is obvious. The amount of descendents of subsaharans that are truly up to the high standards MIT were once known for is very limited. This will ultimately help retain the institute's reputation...

[@valeriegrimshaw1365]

They've dumbed down the Maths A level at least twice since 1996 in the UK....I wonder why?

[@marilena7848]

Not necessarily race-based. Could just as easily been done to favor women over men. Or they may be doing it to hide the general decline in lower education.

[@Namron137]

If one suffered the unfortunate fate of having to subject oneself to open heart surgery which surgeon would one feel more relaxed at being operated on…..a heart surgeon who earned his position on merit? Or someone who achieved the post because they happened to tick the DEI boxes on the entrance examination the interview at medical school?

[@madMARTYNmarsh1981]

The NHS in Britain has taken a different course to DEI. We've had a lot of foreign nurses with fake qualifications or qualifications that were achieved via dishonest means (twitter/X has a lot of people bragging on there admitting that they wrote the papers one of their relatives used to gain qualifications to work for the NHS) and instead of deporting these criminals, the NHS uses our money to pay for these criminals to gain the qualifications they lied about. There are instances of people taking these courses 10 times to actually meet the required standard. They are usually allowed to continue working while they fail the courses. The NHS is essentially paying for medical incompetence to become common place. There have been thousands of such cases in the news recently. Usually Nigerian, but there are so many examples of fake Indian universities that I have to wonder how many Indians are working in medicine with fake degrees. As well as other fields.

[@t.gilligan9661]

Ox-Bridge English middle-class virtue signalling will lead to an increase chips on shoulders of afro-carribbeans who only achieve minor academic success. One teenage afro-caribbean girl who was given a bursary to a famous college stated with determination that she was "going shake things up" upon her arrival. Intimidation, bullying..I wonder if has she been a dazzling role-model?

[@JoeBlowUK]

I find it telling, when you ask about how it was at university to different cultures. Ask an Indian or Chinese person about university, they will talk about how they got their degree. Have the same conversation with someone like Lammy or Abbott, they will talk about when they studied at university. Notice the difference?

[@MelissasArt]

Of course, my original comment about the state of the Ivy League was deleted. 🙄

[@MelissasArt]

​@jharekchameleon-o4s I think any form of adult conversation is. I only spoke about what I read about these institutions recently in The Spectator. 😂

[@MelissasArt]

@@jharekchameleon-o4s Not much at all. £19.99 per quarter. I like a good read, you get some really interesting stuff in it. Most other news pages are just shambolic now.

[@MelissasArt]

@@jharekchameleon-o4s £19.99 per quarter. I really enjoy The Spectator. It is one of the very few publications that hasn't been dumbed down.

[@MelissasArt]

@jharekchameleon-o4s It seems like my replies to this keep disappearing. All I did was tell you how much it is. You can get it delivered. I live abroad so I just pay for the online version - which is cheaper.

[@Lava1964]

This is what happens when equality is confused with equity. Every institution should be striving for excellence, not some feel-good quota system.

[@oldtimers6460]

Lower the quality of students, you lower the standards and requirements needed for positions requiring ability. If i wanted to take a long-term objective of reducing a nations ability to achieve it's just the way i would go.

[@jameswells554]

Lowering Standards to meet the Individual only weakens the whole; Raising the Individual to meet and/or exceed the Standard strengthens the whole. The US Air Force handled integration and Equal Opportunity quite well for a time; they removed the requirement for an Official Photo and references to Race and Sex for all Senior NCO and Officer Promotion packets focusing solely on Skill and Duty Performance Ratings. Apparently that was racist and misogynistic because; you know, expecting women and people of color to perform to standard like every other Service Member is just oppressive and asking way way too much of them according to the Left.

[@ohsweetmystery]

It should be illegal for universities to even ASK the race or sex or any other characteristic that has no relevance to getting a good education. All applications need to be based on purely objective criteria and also need to be blind to the person's identity, including using a number instead of a name.

[@wattstewart9840]

I dont see the problem with quotas. I do not think that our ancestors who built these colleges ever imagined that we would import tens of milllions of Asians, Jews and Indians into land and force our children to compete angains them for seats at the table. The quota system should be simple, essentially white/European with some certain exceptions.

[@marquonuk]

I've never quite understood why establishments (technical colleges, etc) teaching more practical or creative skills are so looked down upon compared with universities. Not everyone is intellectual, nor should everyone be. It's not a crime not to be academic. Some people's skills lie in a practical rather than academic realm. People, regardless of race, should be encouraged to learn skills that best suit their inclinations and occupation choices, and should not all feel forced to go down the university route. Until practical skills are considered as valuable to a country as intellectual skills (which of course they are) we will end up with what we have now: an obsessive conveyor belt system that directs everyone into the doors of universities.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

"Knowledge and truth,in the full sense of the words, are not attainable by the great mass of the human race" Matthew Arnold.

[@drew6194]

If you see videos of modern day university students speaking, you'd see very clearly that being intellectual is not at all part of the program. Once upon a time, yes, but those days are long gone. And believe me, most of the dolts I see are actually of the pale-skin variety.

[@qualicumwilson5168]

Please tell us the GADUATING ratio based on races. Just because you get in the door does not result in graduating with the golden ring. Poor students do not usually get better once they compete against even amore intelligent average student base.

[@PauloZunguze]

Anything for those dei points

[@dks13827]

For the 3 of you who dont know.......the whole thing is IQ. IQ cant be changed, either.

[@A.Mardle]

What's this you tell me, universities must be meritocracies? You'll be insisting on academic rigour and demonstrable facts next...

[@ad6417]

When will POC realize it's better to be an expert service worker than a failed scientist?

[@Frank75288]

maybe they could favour students with large nostrils

[@johncollins8980]

@@Frank75288 No need for that Frank.

[@seandunne231]

Lol

[@youtubeuser6067]

Affirmative action, DEI and admitting foreign students in greater numbers than the citizenry have all contributed to the destruction of academia on national scales in Western countries. No non-Western nation engages in such long term academic suicide. It is common sense that academia of a nation should prioritize its citizenry first on a merit system. Otherwise, you end up educating foreigners more than the citizenry, advancing students by color, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation INSTEAD of by merit. Merit and citizenry need to be the priorities. Educating millions of foreigners from wherever will only result in the dumbing down of the citizenry given that enrollments are limited. MIT and all other schools which continue to educate foreigners in large percentages will create academic issues for the citizenry that will be catastrophic.

[@tonyclack5901]

Thank you Simon for confirming what I have been saying for years. IQ IS EVERYTHING.

[@margiestevens2384]

IQ is a test of what you know about the culture of the writer of the test.😂take one generated in an economy or country different from yours and you will not score well,

[@tonyclack5901]

@@margiestevens2384 Correct but we are talking about one country not other countries. One such example is the lowering of the entry level exam in English iniversities for black applicants, not black asylum seekers but black people born and raised in the UK. The same idea to level up the image. Incidentally a deluded left wing idea. However 80% of those black people who gained entry under this scheme fell out of the university program in the first year.

[@lairdkilbarchan]

Grading people on 'what they look like' rather than 'how they are' seems like excellent progress. It's certainly what I do as an employer. 😂

[@Thenogomogo-zo3un]

Got to have beautiful people in keeping with the company's image and brand.

[@lairdkilbarchan]

@@Thenogomogo-zo3un We're only taking on Chads and supermodels at the moment 🤣

[@bougeac]

I’d be curious to know what the drop out/failure rate is for these “positive discrimination” candidates, any data on this?

[@gerrytyrrell1507]

Simon...From 1st to 3rd world in 20 yrs if the optics play out...Dublin

[@philjones9555]

Great to see the BBC proms last night the orchestra was totally white. Oh but at great expense they got a black American soloist.....

[@SimonWallwork]

Merit only please.

[@Abbale]

NO! Nepotism the stock of our countries.

[@Johnny-sj9sj]

Now come on fellas! Be fair! It's a sure sign of academic excellence for a university, Harvard for example, to get its racial right, and who accepted David 'Mastermind' Lammy into its hallowed cloisters.

[@martinjackman2943]

@@Johnny-sj9sjLammy Probably thought "Massachusetts " was a pile of dentures!

[@fanman4230]

Always _always_ the best person for the job.

Admission to US universities has never been solely determined by merit. If your parent attended, you received preference. If your parents donated money to the university, you also would be given special consideration.

[@marilena7848]

So? These facts are relevant to the question of whether admissions should always be based on merit alone --- which in itself is a damned good question. But they are irrelevant to a debate about whether admissions should be based on race.

[@JAC4000]

@@marilena7848it’s based on money not intelligence

[@zephsmith3499]

Some universities (especially some private ones) gave a degree of advantage to children of alumni, but one should not over generalize.

[@amykolterman3744]

well, we had the College scandal with Hollyweird actors that included jail time.

[@christinerussell113]

The great dumbing down continues. Still, those who lack genuine academic ability, admitted to university merely to tick boxes, are less likely to challenge the establishment. Except where they demand even further preferential treatment, of course.

[@emperorsnewclothes9405]

the last welsh leader election was between the 1st black or the 1st gay to get the job, gething's faux pas meant we had the 1st woman, the' best person for the job' was never mentioned

[@101ventus]

I think university staff everywhere think they have much more important things to do than worrying about academic standards

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Called the Ivy League because of the original four colleges. In roman numerals IV. Now there are eight colleges. So it should be the VIII league.

[@anyoldorion]

I wondered why they were called the Ivy League 👍🏻

[@martynspooner5822]

Thanks always wondered where the name came from.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Brown, Colombia,Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Pennsylvania, Princeton and Yale.

[@anyoldorion]

@@stephfoxwell4620 I want someone to ask me now 😁

[@AnthonyLauder]

That "IV" myth has been debunked many times. There is no truth to it.

[@denisrogers7269]

The Right Honourable David Lammy studied at Harvard.

[@Thenogomogo-zo3un]

@@GreggFellows I think you used to send in printed vouchers from Twinkie wrappers to get into Yale

[@DesHewitt-mj8lb]

@@GreggFellows Better than you probably....🤣

[@DesHewitt-mj8lb]

@@GreggFellows Did you ?

[@DesHewitt-mj8lb]

@@GreggFellows You need a few milk bottle tops also as you well know...

[@oak3076]

The constants that seem missing in these universities are honesty and integrity. Without that; what is their value?

[@davidgriffiths6454]

Isn't this called racism.

[@marilena7848]

No, heaven forbid! It is not called racism! But of course it IS racism of the most flagrant kind.

[@siheath3648]

DEI initiatives for high grade colleges such as MIT only hurt the graduates that technically shouldn't be there. The numbers of these students that either drop out or change to softer, easier majors is overwhelming. Having a colour blind meritocracy for entrance ensures the black and Hispanic students that do gain access will choose science majors and are more likely to complete the course.

[@stumac869]

Maintaining a system that disadvantages the best helps keep the established in their place.

[@philiproseel3506]

Dumbing down society.

[@djscoah8037]

The instant meritocracy is removed, the lower echelons rise to the top

[@Vile_Entity_3545]

The west was once a hub of innovation. Once you start putting people in the top universities just by the colour of their skin then that innovation drops, which in turn slowly changes the country from top class to mediocre on the world scale. This going backwards would probably start more wars and destruction in the process.

[@UnChannelDuVulpineX]

Define lower.

[@djscoah8037]

@@UnChannelDuVulpineX the antithesis of higher Any good?

[@richardhockey8442]

the only merit that counts then is the ability to spot ways in which the system can be exploited for your own gain, at everyone else's expense

[@djscoah8037]

@@richardhockey8442 and that’s politics for you 🤭😂

[@mickeyhead9770]

We have the poster children of D.E.I. Obama and his crew! 😂🎉🎉🎉

[@thomasspicer4130]

Who are the people pushing this agenda?

[@alexanderg-p3z]

Every single time.

[@drew6194]

Liberals and "progressives."

[@youtubeuser6067]

Those with good intentions: The feeble minded ones in society that are easily swayed by emotions and not logical reasoning. Those with bad intentions: Minorities who envy and desire what the majority has built and earned, so that they can destroy them.