What has Cameron learned from

[@RealAtheology]

What a fantastic video. It was awesome to hear about Cameron's growth on these issues. We think he provides a lot of valuable advice for both Atheists and Theists to follow and it will be excited to follow his subsequent journeys to come.

[@jordand5732]

I don’t have time to watch right now, and will watch later, but I saw the preview had cam wearing a bob ross shirt and wanted to comment and say that he was already super likeable, but wearing that just takes his likeability to new heights. God bless, from a catholic fan.

[@MajestyofReason]

Much love❤️

[@achristian11]

Love these guys. God bless you

[@sarahmedicis3344]

I appreciate conversations like this so much. Thanks for putting this content out there!

[@MajestyofReason]

Much love❤️

[@Tylermania66]

I like when either of your channels talk about anxiety in relation to these big questions. I haven't found people addressing that topic anywhere else.

[@fujiapple9675]

100% Beyond being remarkable content creators, Joe and Cameron are beloved human beings whose mental health is paramount. I'm sure I speak for everyone in saying I'm glad they are healthy, and have that dimension of their lives in harmony.

[@MaverickChristian]

Cool. It was nice to meet you in person at CC Exchange. 😎

[@TheBrunarr]

good questions, good responses, good video!

[@HyperFocusMarshmallow]

Very interesting to hear Cameron’s reflections about time to take in points and process them.

[@robertoriosorozco9205]

Bro bro! Your thumbnail was definitely clickbait for me 😂 Nice to meet you

[@MajestyofReason]

Haha, we talk about ways he’s changed his mind in the final section of the video🙂 Much love❤️

[@robertoriosorozco9205]

True true, you delivered. I finished the video and can testify.

[@anitkythera4125]

@35:00 ish… is it the case that in the Dunning-Kruger effect that there is a tendency for self-assessment of competency to go down as your expertise in the subject goes up? I thought it was that people grossly overestimate their competence in unknown fields but this is quickly corrected as they begin to learn how little they know or can do but that this self assessment quickly tracks actual competency.

[@BatmanArkham8592]

I am a simple monke I see Joe's video in my notifications I click :)

[@deathnote4171]

Cool video Joe Will you request Dr pruss for a written discussion for this channel?

[@JFast-si8xu]

I like your new studio 😉

[@zombieinjeans]

The argument about people in hell continuing to sin makes sense, as long as some people actually do eventually leave. Sure, some people continually reject God, but tons of people, when given the direct evidence of God's existence, so many people would change their mind immediately. The reason I "sin," is because I don't believe in God or sin or eternal life or any of it. I have my own ethics. If I died and woke up in hell, I'd immediately become a believer and try to change. I literally can't believe in God as I am now, like my mind just won't let me. I can't just make myself believe in something that I don't believe. If God exists, he gave me this mind that can't believe in him. Once I was in hell, that would obviously be pretty convincing evidence and I could easily believe then. If I'm punished for eternity for that, then I really hope that kind of God doesn't exist.

[@LarryRuffin-vy7hx]

When you say your mind won’t let you believe in God, are you referring to the Christian Conception of God (or Islamic) that does include beliefs about Hell, or just a Theistic or Deistic conception of God? Like a Neccesarily existent Creator of the Universe who has all the Omni-properties? Because you could believe in that sort of God without believing in Hell.

[@wet-read]

@@LarryRuffin-vy7hx I personally find deism to be little better than theism on this score; many of the same questions could be asked of such an entity. I am not convinced some or all of the omni properties exist or could exist, and some seem to me to contradict each other.

[@MainframeSupertasker]

***cracks knuckles*** 0:45

[@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns]

Joe, it’s me, Meow. If I donated to a charity of your choosing, would you ever do a 60-min phone chat with me on why Christian Universalism is a better option than both ECT and annihilationism? Philosophically, theologically, and, yes… Biblically. I can’t seem to get (some of!) the naysayers to even *mention* (let alone engage or refute) the best philosophical, theological, and biblical cases for Christ-mediated universalism.

[@MajestyofReason]

If you buy ten (or more) malaria nets for African children - that’s 50 dollars or more - I’ll have Eric Reitan and Josh Rasmussen (together) on my channel for a conversation on the philosophical, theological, and biblical evidence for universalism. Deal? (I have in mind charity 2/9 of: www.givewell.org/charities/top-charities )

[@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns]

@@MajestyofReason Thank you! I will gladly do that later tonight and let yoI know when I have. Also, during the Reitan-Rasmussen dialogue, may I ask that you please also give a shout out the work of Thomas Talbott (particularly the *second* edition of “Inescapable Love of God 2014) and Robin Parry (The Evangelical Universalist, which includes an appendix on Craig and molinism in addition to rich scriptural discussions)? (I’d say bring on Talbott, but, and I truly hate saying this… he’s a much better writer than speaker, and his interview style is too slow and a little sloppy. But his written work is good)

[@MajestyofReason]

@@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns yes, I can shout those out! Before I set up a discussion between Reitan and Josh, I would like confirmation of the charitable donation - after you make the donation, please send some confirmation to majestyofreason [at] gmail [dot] com🙂 Thank you for this cool idea, and for helping save children and others from dying from Malaria!

[@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns]

@@MajestyofReason hey brother, check your email! I had them send a confirmation email to you

[@MajestyofReason]

@@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns thanks! I’ll be emailing Reitan and Josh in the coming days. I’m guessing the discussion would take place sometime in July🙂

[@BatmanArkham8592]

Joe Have you read Andrew Loke's recent 2022 book which is Open access *The Teleological and Kalam Cosmological Arguments Revisited (Palgrave Frontiers in Philosophy of Religion)*

[@MajestyofReason]

Stephen and I will be addressing portions of it in our series

[@BatmanArkham8592]

@@MajestyofReason noice Be ready to get the complete refutation of that video in the comments section by Andrew Loke himself Lol Jokes aside u should send the script to Loke before making the video I'm honestly impressed by Loke's habit to engage with his critics in the comment section

[@midlander4]

Loser Loke can revisit kalam and teleo for the 400,000th time. They're still utter garbage.

[@thecloudtherapist]

I think Joe has found his calling: being an interviewer. His taste in football teams, that's another matter, though! 😆😉

[@Veo87]

"Trent Horn is calling."

[@samuelbourassa4856]

Great discussion Joe and Cameron! Joe, I'm curious about your reservations toward Molinism? Is it related to the grounding objection? Or something else?

[@MajestyofReason]

I discuss some of my reservations in my 100+ arguments for God video beginning at 11:15:33❤️

[@foodmagic5391]

Arsenal fan here too😌 Wanted to know do you have a quick refutation of hilbert hotel? Love your channel 💗

[@MajestyofReason]

I discuss Hilbert’s Hotel in an episode in my Kalam playlist - it’s with Alex Malpass🙂❤️ (Also, Rationality Rules and I will be making a video expressly dedicated to the Hilbert’s Hotel Argument in our ongoing Kalam series)

[@BatmanArkham8592]

@@MajestyofReason your Kalam series is the Best resource On KCA for anyone I hope after this series you will continue making series on other arguments with POPULAR and good KZbinrs Love your work

[@MajestyofReason]

@@BatmanArkham8592 much love❤️

[@BatmanArkham8592]

@@MajestyofReason Joe Have you read Andrew Loke's recent 2022 book which is Open access *The Teleological and Kalam Cosmological Arguments Revisited (Palgrave Frontiers in Philosophy of Religion)* And will you address this in your Kalam series?

[@Hello-vz1md]

@@MajestyofReason Since you guys are talking about kalam I would like to recommend a book on this topic by a Muslim philosopher *Kalam Cosmological Arguments* by Muhammad Hijab The audiobook is available for free in KZbin and there's a low quality *free* pdf available online i think Hijab developed few important new things in that book if you find those worthy please consider responding those in your series

[@calebp6114]

Hi Joe- quick book recommendation: Gary Habermas’ upcoming book on the resurrection. It has been in the works for many years now, and is going to be as exhaustive as it can be, summarising scholarship on a variety of areas. Idk when it will come out, but I think it’s mostly finished, and will be the best Christian work on the topic. :)

[@whatsinaname691]

They say it’s just in the revise and edit phase, so hoping for next 2 years. I hope that in 5,000 pages it branches beyond the minimal facts and actually just pulls together all of the available data for a robust case, since 5,000 pages is not somewhere to be on the defensive

[@aarongebreslasie7677]

What is it called?

[@whatsinaname691]

@@aarongebreslasie7677 We don’t know yet. Just “Gary Habermas magnum opus”

[@jmike2039]

I mean this respectfully, but Craig?

[@stevesteves945]

Cameron is such a good looking fella. No homo.

[@davidenglish583]

Hope Arsenal turn it around!

[@Oskar1000]

On simple foreknowledge God knows the future but cannot act upon that information?

[@MajestyofReason]

There’s a really great The Analytic Christian video on this point - it’s with David Hunt

[@HyperFocusMarshmallow]

The philosopher has legs…

[@MajestyofReason]

lmao

[@anthonynuzzo9512]

Cameron...... Great show as always. I think a show with you and Joe together would be fantastic. However, when you are speaking my friend I find my attention drifting from what ought to be the case, i.e. grasping the ideas you are discussing, to counting the number of times you say "like". Some friendly constructive criticism, your use of the word "like" I suspect as a pause mechanism to gather your thought is tedious to be kind. It seems generational. I'm 53 so I am a bit older than you. Your generation and after have adopted the "like" pause and substituting the word "feel" instead of "think" to, I think, its detriment. (Pun Intended!) God bless my friend and well done otherwise..........

[@ElliottWong2024]

You seem like a nice guy. Too bad you're an Arsenal fan. From a Manchester United fan. Don't worry - we are even worse.

[@Syed_12]

( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God ) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion. Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise ) On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils. '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work

[@jrhemmerich]

@Syed Sye, thanks for your thoughts, it’s helpful to see how you are thinking through the teachings of the Koran. From a Christian perspective, I would say that it is important to distinguish between the effort of working hard to do the right thing and chose the right way, from the grace and forgiveness that God offers in Jesus, which is not earned by us, but received as a gift. We do strive to do what is right and to do no wrong against God or man, but because we have already wronged God we cannot come to him to demand that we be treated according to our works. If so, then there is only condemnation. No spouse, if they have been unfaithful can use their good works to excuse their disloyalty. They must address the disloyalty and appeal to their spouses mercy. However, like a wronged spouse, God has come to us even before we come to him, and has offered us forgiveness. In the Mosaic teachings Israel was told to offer sacrifices to show we were guilty, but that God accepted our offerings as a confession of our sin, and he would meet with the high priest at the mercy seat to accept the blood of the sacrifice, which represented the whole of the repentant sinner’s LIFE, which was being offered in submission to God. But it was made clear even to Abraham (Gen. 15) that the sacrifice was not earning merit with God through obedience, but was actually showing our acknowledgement of our wrong. And the sacrifice was not just about what we were confessing, but it also shows what God was doing for us in forgiveness. Divine forgiveness is not without cost, and God declared to Abraham that even though forgiveness was costly, that God himself would do what was needed for men to be made right with him and for his promised blessings to come true for both Jew, Arab, and Greek. He would forgive in mercy and not on the basis of man’s own righteousness and good works. This promise made to Abraham was fulfilled by Jesus, who was one with the Father in being and purpose, yet united to us in our nature and as our high priest. For only God can forgive sins, and only he could act as our high priest. Animal sacrifices would not do, for it is God himself, who offers himself to us when he forgives (2 Cor. 5:19). It is for this reason that we believe that Jesus died not just as a prophet, but as God’s very representative, as God himself on the cross. This is how we are forgiven by the great act of God himself in his King (Mat 18:23-27), whom he has made to be Lord over all, because he was willing to be the servant of all. Even to be humbled to the point of an undeserved death of a wicked man (though he was not wicked). This he did to show the cost of forgiveness for him, to redeem us from under the curse of the law. It is a curse not because the law is bad or because we should not strive to be good, but because we are never good enough. We always need his gracious forgiveness. Always, and if we accept this, not because we are good and have worked hard, but because we see our need before his perfect purity, then he is pleased to make us his children. So then our hard work to be good is not to earn our status as children of God, but to act out our adopted status because of his mercy. We strive to please him because he has already loved and forgiven us (John 3:16, 1 John 4:19). God is willing to forgive all, whether Jew, Moslem, or Christian or atheist, but they must believe that he: 1) exists, 2) he is good, 3) he is a rewarder of those that seek him, 4) that we do not seek him in our own good deeds but on the basis of his good mercy, and in faith. We trust in him and his forgiveness. This is what it means to believe in Jesus as the Messiah and Son of God (this title means the Davidic King, not a being that God physically procreated. Such is impossible because God is Spirit and has no body, but God being a Spirit and all powerful over nature may write himself into his story of creation as a man, even as the King of this world) This faith will often times make one a bad rabbinic Jew or a poor Moslem, if you think that we please God only by striving to be obedient, but faith in divine forgiveness makes one into a deeper follower of Jesus, one who intimately knows that all rests on God’s mercy and provision for us. I would offer that for your consideration, and in contrast to what you have gleaned from the Koran. May God help us to see which is his way. Pray for me, I shall pray for you. God must give us the light.

[@wadler00]

For religion to grow (trap gullible minds) it needs to find gaps that their assertions can inhabit without being tested, and as a result you will find religious folk changing their approach into ways that their assertions are less exposed to critique.