What if America Was Never Colonized?

What if Europeans never colonized America? America as in North and South America. What if the Plague never wiped out the native population? How would native nations form, and how would the continent change? Here is one scenario.
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[@Ionicblood666]

this needs to be a movie.

[@mightyhadi6132]

or games

[@SynisterFour]

A GAME THEORY

[@D_2_M]

ionicblood666 I think they have books about this alternate reality.

[@lordlammi1562]

NewCanadianTurtle Please tell me your not implying what I think you are.?

[@DanielLopez-gf8qd]

spill the beans. do you know any names? @@D_2_M

[@soccercraz15]

There will still be millions of Native Americans still alive

[@randomguyontheinternet8345]

Not likely, as they would have all killed one another, sense most were rival tribes. Probably more would have died in this timeline.

[@charlesford7887]

+Matthew Scooby You clearly know nothing about Native America.

[@vitalstatistixthegaul770]

+Matthew Scooby no, whatbmakes you think the rivalries were more fierce than Europe's, they would have fought, but arguably less than Europeans

[@WaldoRod]

+Charles Ford you obviously weren't paying attention to the video. Probably went straight to comments.

[@charlesford7887]

M3RKMUS1C 1 I've watched this video twice,perhaps if you where more clear I would have been correct.

[@MakiPcr]

That sounds exiting. I mean, the idea of having our own nations, that are not Spanish pieces is kind of amazing

[@babiecathegreat163]

MakiPcr Natives Downfall was Inevitable. And honestly, East Asians would probably Be much worse to you than europeans if Imperial Japan Proved anything

[@goghnos8826]

@@babiecathegreat163 worse than this? Are you kidding me?

[@babiecathegreat163]

@@goghnos8826 Simply put, it wouldn't matter if the First people who came were The Spanish, Viking, Malians, or Chinese from the other side; Old world diseases would have wiped out millions and Peoples would be eviscerated regardless, by the Simple fact Natives Lacked Draft Animals to contract diseases from and As such, Build some sort of Immunity, Create Large Cities/States (While Natives did create Immaculate and Beautiful Cities, It was certainly much more difficult without draft animals). Personally If This tragic loss of Human life could be avoided, I would do everything I could to stop it, but a Mix of Geography and Lack of Draft Animals To build immunities was the nail on the coffin for Amerindians. I would also Like to change my statement to "who is to say that the Asians or Africans would be more benevolent ( Or better said, Less sadistic) than Europeans?" While I am not Educated in African History to make a good guess, I Do believe the Chinese would Be mostly absent, but Again, The effects of Disease would still occur. But that's what happens with the "what ifs" of History. It's a large grey area of not knowing what could occur.

[@studiollama4428]

Goghnos 88 worse than what exactly?

[@studiollama4428]

MakiPcr you have your own nations, they’re where ever you come from, whether it be Argentina,Mexico, Colombia etc. The Spanish arrival acted as a great modernizing force, remember the literal thousands of people killed every year by the Aztec empire?

[@Boogieboy138]

Being Native, I obviously can't take joy in knowing how my ancestors were treated to get to where we are today. I don't think any side was innocent here, I can acknowledge my ancestors were no saints, but it's just truly a shame what had to be. I look at examples of the unity between whites and natives, as something I wish could have been, when they shared lands, tools and foods and as natives believed that we all shared the same skies, air, sun and oceans, that nobody had a right to them, so we should all be able to live peacefully with one another.

[@hellothere4599]

Yeah its hard to say because when the whites first arrived the natives welcomed them and gave them some land a traded with them. War broke out for whatever reasons, but what can the whites do now? They cant just leave because they are too many so its hard to say who was in the wrong. Imo the natives should have never granted them ANY land, would a sovereign nation grant foreigners land? Obviously never and the natives should have made this clear from the very start. Im British / Irish blood and i think it was a terrible tragedy what happened to these people too , they was great warriors and didn't deserve to go out like that. The thing that annoys me they could have easily given them 20% of the land and they would have survived but pure greed for gold made the Americans break all their treaty's, the breaking of the black hills treaty was especially treacherous and even the top lawmakers at the time said what why was doing was a great injustice.

[@Kid_Kootenay]

Im innocent Ive never harmed anyone in anyway nor my father or his father :) I do not like what happened in the past but I do not feel guilty either and I sure do like my gaming console smart phone etc I love nature and camping but its nice to come home to my toys afterwards :)

[@space4166]

Natives were colonizers to before the Europeans came.. had to find that out by my self. Here in Canada 5 grades are on first natives most boring thing ever. If you ask how Europeans lived here your labeled as a racist. God help me and the west.

[@Boogieboy138]

@@space4166 You call it "boring" and you clearly show your lack of care and thought for anything that doesn't affect you. Typical attitude for someone that's simply ignorant. God help you, and the west.

[@gregrobinette8620]

​@@Kid_Kootenay nobody blamed you, its not about you. The sins of your ancestors are not your accomplishments so stop being smug. Your inventions wouldve been made, colonies or not.

[@BifronsCandle]

It's cool to think about the Aztecs. They could have very well reformed into a more unified state and become America's Roman Empire. My only problem with this video is that it assumes that the Natives would have never had mass disease, even with foreign trade. Europe's black plague was very well spread by Eastern trade.

[@pablomendoza4897]

ikr? i also think that if the aztecs had a more unified kindom whent the spanions arrived they could have survive the spanions invasions

[@BifronsCandle]

Pablo Mendoza The plagues brought by the Spanish could cause their "Fall of Rome".

[@pablomendoza4897]

SlyBiffrons Yeah, those spanions were a bunch of dirty cunts jaja

[@BifronsCandle]

Pablo Mendoza I guess you could say the Visigodos brought an end to *two* empires...

[@pablomendoza4897]

There are just never enough empires to destroy

[@nomesobrenome5796]

i would be hunting jaguars instead of comenting this shit

[@benjaminan1183]

Nome Sobrenome Hahaha true.

[@rezoutlaw]

True story lol

[@user-cm6sp9iu5r]

I don't think we would be born

[@jccomments2759]

natives would have to advance their technology anyways

[@tylermech66]

you don't hunt jaguars, they don't provide good meat and it is not a good risk. you'd also have to be living in the amazon......

[@Mat.Carvalho]

Absolutely no mention on the Mayas, Incas or Aztecs, the most powerful civilizations in the Americas back in that time. If you wanted to speak about Americas, do it properly, if not just change the title to "What if the USA was never colonized".

[@yugen1000]

+Matheus Carvalho it says it in the title " What If America was never colonized"

[@TheMmorelGT]

+chasz lopez America its a continent, its not just United States.

[@TheQwuilleran]

It's a three minute and thirty one second video. Chances are high that it's going to center on the United States region because that is what the author and the audience are familiar with. Again, it's short. It plants an idea.

[@ignaciocetinasuarez2863]

+Matheus Carvalho Yeah, its like in the old world you didnt mention Rome,Egypt or Ancient china

[@devonalexreckon6048]

chasz lopez your point is America what do you think

[@timkarlsson2921]

Can you make a video about how it would be if the Nordic countries never become Christians and keept on following the Viking religion?

[@-SUM1-]

You could say the same about every ethnic group and its ethnic religion.

[@patrickcorby1423]

They tried to convert the Middle East. You don't just walk up to people and say: You're part of my religion now, suck it up.

[@METALOZON]

Why nordic and not the entire Europe. Christianity has no place in Europe, it invaded our true culture.

[@timkarlsson2921]

METALOZON good point

[@ShqiptariAL]

nordic countries would keep fighting each other and killing and pillaging places and be unadvanced. The church united everyone under one religion and gave them advancement. I mean they were dumbasses and savages for houndreds of years until they met christianity.

[@noelsolo61]

Definitely the Aztec and Inca tribes would be very dominant due to their knowledge and power.

[@miggzwolfgang9745]

Empires buddy

[@vakimk4417]

Bro aren't they the ones who practiced human sacrifices

[@akorn9943]

@@vakimk4417 Yeah, but let’s face it, what world leader WASNT needlessly killing thousands of their own civilians for no reason in the 1400s? There were already strong factions opposing these practices in the Americas (which was how the conquistadors were able to conquer these empires so quickly, essentially by making them do all the work), and just given time these powers would have won out and created more humane societies, just like how in Europe, monarchs were eventually not allowed to just behead anyone they wanted to…

[@stevendelaluz5347]

@@vakimk4417 Your acting like the Roman Empire didn’t kill its own as well. They were killing rival tribes and war prisoners.

[@PavloMontes]

@@stevendelaluz5347 yup and in much worse scenarios and deaths 💀

[@Borzogo]

I always wondered if, given enough time, native americans would develop advanced technology.

[@sanjayvaidya4925]

They regret thanksgiving thats for sure.

[@rockersbymyside]

NVaizard i believe so. maybe not as advanced. like in 2015 they would be back to about 1950s way of technology.

[@mexkato]

NVaizard everything is in mathematics, it took millennia to muslims develop the foundations of our math system, the aztecs and incas already were in their own middle ages with cities with high quality of life and high development even for Europe but is impossible to know how fast they would perfect their own system of mathematics.

[@janbaer3241]

***** Leibnitz and Newton would have most likely still developed Calculus. I would expect that sizable nation-states would have been founded in the Americas out of necessity. Either that, or the Europeans would have forced their formation (like how the British supported Garibaldi to unite Italy and Napoleon combining 300 German principalities into about 30 states).

[@slightlyvisible8448]

NVaizard They didn't even have basic math. In comparison, the Arabs had developed algebra thousands of years prior which had been further developed into by Europeans with Calculus.

[@DuranmanX]

West Africa wouldn't lose so much of it's population from slavery

[@MUtley-rf8vg]

Possibly. The Cherokee did not hesitate to become slave owners themselves. Control of the guns = control of other people = control of the goods.

[@xcviuz1014]

Islam and the jews to thank for slave trade means you really don't understand slavery lol

[@xcviuz1014]

***** I'll speak for what I know, Islam denounced (but didn't completely ban) slavery. slavery existed way before Islam ever existed. I'm almost certain sure slavery existed before Judaism as well. Outright slavery is banned in most Islamic countries. The Gulf is fucked up, they do own slaves but I'm not sure where you got the idea that it was instigated by Islam.

[@xcviuz1014]

***** I'm sorry didn't the ancient Egyptians have slaves? Romans too.

[@adonisguy3243]

that's true. slavery is an ancient practice. it was done in the bible too.

[@joshuajohns6356]

I think I would have never been born in this scenario. Many of my ancestors would have never met.

[@Free2PlayGamerNation]

So, if you had the option to go back in time, would you go back and change history for our people, but in the meanwhile, getting you and all you know and love wiped from existence? Sounds like a job for someone with nothing to live for, which is unfortunately how many Natives are today.

[@joshuajohns6356]

I think it's a noble idea and would be a noble cause to go back and change history for the Native Americans; I mean, I don't suppose I'd care if I'd never been born. Would you? That brings up the issue of going back in time to change history in the first place though, in theory you couldn't change history in any way that would prevent you from going back in time in the first place, even your cause would have to be the same for you to attempt to change the past in the manner intended which means that thigns would play out the same. There's a whole scientific and philosophical discussion about this. Of course there's also a good chance that you'd go back to change the past and end up killed somehow which means the past doesn't get changed; you just end up as an unknown person in some grave or something; if you chose to fight then you would just be another unknown warrior that died in battle. Of course you could also end up being killed by those you're trying to help too because you look different, sound different, or dress different and you are not trusted. Why woudl they believe anything anybody tells them about what's going to happen? Assuming one could change the past though and somehow it's affecting the dimension you came from as opposed to creating another dimension though I'm not sure how it would affect other events too, like WWI or WWII for example; the Germans probably would have won because the United States would have never been strong enough to handle the situation. Of course if one thing would have changed the course of history for Native Americans it would have been vaccination. If the Native Americans would have been able to build up an immunity to the diseases the new settlers brought with them then there would have simply been probably about 80% more people to fight the invasion; of course it's hard to unite about 1,500 tribes with differing cultures, languages, and views. The settlers would have had native allies, just as they did historically, to fight against common enemies. Tribes allied with new settlers often to fight historic enemies and try to wipe them out in a bid to live in peace or just gain passage to other places and expand their hunting range or just because they have been enemies so long they didn't like each other even though they couldn't remember why they kept raiding ant attacking each other or why they would fight each other if they met in the wilderness. There's the more Utopian idea that everybody would have worked out their differences and the settlers would have formed a similar but different type of government where historic tribal territories simply became states, nobody was moved or attacked, and the settlers simply integrated with the natives over time. The United States would still exist and be a strong multicultural and multi ethnic nation as it is but it would be different and would look different on the map. Each tribe would have at least one seat in the house and senate though, the natives would run and effectively rule the country, the Civil War would have never happened as slavery either would have never existed or it would have been resolved in a more level headed and peaceful manner and nobody lost their homes, rights, lands, or anything like that. White man would be a minority; I'm not even sure there would have been African slaves so I'm not sure there would be so many African Americans; although some tribes did have slaves; I know the Cherokee did and so did many other tribes that were moved to Oklahoma; which is why the Oklahoma territory was actually divided during the Civil War apparently and many tribes had their own civil war during the American Civil War. Of course the Confederacy did promise to return all lands taken to tribes that supported them, make their nation a state, and give them seats in the CSA house and senate and rights to make laws, vote, and everything else. They promised to make them completely equal and pointed out the wrongs the United States government had already done and reminded them of the more then 300 years before the US government decided to do the Native Americans wrong that Natives and settlers lived in peace, integrated willingly, and traded with each other and pointed out that most old southern families actually had native kin or native blood coursing through their veins. Some tribes either joined them or were divided because of this. Just look at southern culture, listen to the southern words and place names, listen to southern music (it's mostly influenced by Irish, Scottish, African, and Native music), take a good look at southern cuisine and you'll find many recipes that are either clearly Native American recipes or are heavily influenced by Native American cuisine. Look at southern and western style too; you can find the influences. I always heard that the trail of tears wasn't called the trail of tears because the Natives cried; not even the Native women cried. Native American women are strong and know they are the heart of their people so they would never show weakness or pain in front of their children. They know they are their children's rock. I always heard it's called the trail of tears because it was the white man that cried, not the Natives. Their white neighbors didn't want them to be taken away, nobody cheered, and even many of the soldiers didn't want to do it and felt bad but those who refused were shot or whipped for disobeying orders. I always heard the only ones who cried were the white people and some children. I once heard a story of a rose called the Cherokee Rose, a rose that's said to still grow along parts of the trails to this day. It's said that the people who witnessed the march and the incredible suffering of the Cherokee were so grieved by the sight that they would cry for them and everywhere a tear hit the ground along the trail a rose bush sprung up. Anyway I don't mind giving my life for my brothers and sisters and all people are my brothers and sisters. Unfortunately there's somethings nobody can change or do. I always figured that if I could ever get into such a position I'd return whatever land could be returned or compensate the tribes for land lost and give every surviving tribe that wishes to would receive at least one seat on the house and senate and those who wish to have their land become a state and have a star added to the flag would receive more seats in hte senate according to the size of their state population (regardless of the individual's tribal affiliation) just like any other state. Those who are recognized as Native American by a tribe would also never have to pay federal income taxes regardless of where they chose to live. Eventually whites are going to be a minority because they are integrated and had mixed children. Perhaps we should make a law requiring all white people to marry someone from a different race haha; just kidding, I wouldn't violate someone's rights like that and we can't control who we fall in love with really. I wonder how we'd fit nearly 1,500 stars on the flag if every tribe decided to form a state and how the state map would look? Some of these ideas probably would never happen; some could though, especially the seats for tribal representatives in the house and senate so they have a lot more say in the direction the country is going and can contribute to the production of laws and the future of the country as a whole.

[@Wolfen443]

Still, without the Europeans interfering there is little or no reason to expect the native American peoples to have a Barney Happy Party all together in peace. Most likely the larger tribes and in Central and South America Empires could have expanded in a similar way to the early European History. They could still claim slaves, POW's, and land's resources to maintain their power. Sorry, Imagine Playing American Conquest or Civilization in the New World without European factions, that is the only difference. Still, there is nothing to prevent European trade with , and exploration in some degree of the New World. The events of actual history might have been delayed by 100 or 200 years maybe.

[@exoiso4354]

your soul would be born in another body

[@joshuajohns6356]

EXO ISO That's a nice thought.

[@SantiagoMolinaTorresArpi]

I think you forgot the two existing empires of the time, the Aztecs and Incas, not so sure about the Incas but I think the Aztecs would continue expanding, specially if new European technologies were introduced. I think they would expand south an eventually go into conflict with the Incas

[@Threezi04]

I reckon the Incas would be more powerful, they were already in their bronze age and were the largest entity on the landmass.

[@shapeshifter8778]

@@Threezi04 The Incas is somehow underrated, you know.

[@ifyourespondyourmad.2409]

I think maybe the Incas and Aztecs would have probably been the top 2 superpowers in the americas today.

[@LaCurlySue562]

What about the olmecs?

[@PavloMontes]

@@LaCurlySue562 I thought they never crossed each other just like the Mayans 👀

[@SPQRconsul7]

"Without the disease and devastation" I am pretty sure disease would still spread if the Europeans just decided to trade instead of colonize, as the natives still have no immunity to anything they might have.

[@kkusheedabaddie8669]

they should had stayed in fkg europe.. theyre been so selfish and cruel

[@greenkritter6917]

@@kkusheedabaddie8669 lol cry about it

[@kellysmith8269]

this is an excellent point. Look at covid...

[@gamechanger8908]

Same way how the black plague came into Europe from the far east through trade.

[@druthamac]

@@kellysmith8269 covid was lab made

[@spongebobsquarepants4137]

um... one issue here. you don't need colonization to spread disease, the trade would have been enough. also where did you find those amazing paintings of fictional city? i love those!

[@Woofwoof369]

Minus the sexual diseases that happens with touch

[@Ttegegg]

@@Woofwoof369 ehhh they will probably build some immunity eventually. With the help of traders advancing society somewhat similarly. Like what happend in japan

[@thoke9459]

Might have happened, if Native Americans had been successful in stopping illegal European immigrants...😂

[@ottonormalverbraucher7835]

@I'm In A Vegetative State Help me Awsome comment :) Funny to imagine a Native trump. All the thinks about the european Immigrants where true

[@ryanjones9498]

When Mexicans invade the US we praise them, white settlers expand to the new world they are called invaders

[@perthrockskinda2946]

@@iminavegetativestatestudio1730 Doesn't make sense, Europe doesn't share a border with America, You need a land border to make a wall! Anyway, Europeans wouldn't even go there because it wouldn't be drawn to such a foreign culture, like how you don't see many Europeans in asia and Africa!

[@hassan10ify]

Eaxl ur a piece of shot natives were there since the start and now they’re extinct

[@hassan10ify]

Eaxl ur stupid it was their land

[@thinkfact]

Wonderful topic. I myself love Native American history partly because I have a little bit of native ancestry. I really like how you worked it out. Fun fact: Native Americans today make up less then 1% of the American population at 2.5 million. That said, the largest tribes are: 1st. Cherokee, 2nd Navajo, 3rd Sioux, 4th, Chippewa, and 5th Choctaw. Like obscure fun facts? I make videos all about them! :)

[@RokaSoka]

Could you do a video on fun facts on Native Americans? I'd love to watch it.

[@thinkfact]

I already have plans for one. I have my next 3 video topics picked. So I will put it next in line! :) I have a lot of awesome things I bet no one hardly knows.

[@afa78djd]

I subscribed to your channel so you better not disappoint.

[@CampingMIG]

It does not seem fair that the first people on this continent now make up less than 1% of the United States population. History is rarely fair though.

[@mjhacker]

Choctaw tribal member, here to represent.

[@MWH12085]

That's something a lot of people don't grasp. The natives were neither "one people" nor did they "live in peace". They fought wars over territory just like Europeans did for centuries. There's no evidence that says they were any more peaceful than the European counterparts. Only difference was the Europeas had superior weaponry.

[@DarDarBinks1986]

MWH12085 Both also didn't know a shit about how diseases spread.

[@TZackGames]

and superior arrogance

[@DarDarBinks1986]

***** "Actually the natives were WAAYYY more peaceful than Europe." Citation or GTFO. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[@DarDarBinks1986]

***** No. YOU make the claim, YOU provide the evidence. Don't try to tell me to do my own research> Provide hard evidence for your claims or shut the fuck up.

[@DarDarBinks1986]

***** Damn right I tell you what to do. It's called the burden of proof. It's on YOU, not me. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

[@johnlivingstone1877]

For all of you saying the Aztecs were gonna become the next America they wouldn't, their empire wasnt as big as you think, empires like the incas were much bigger

[@dannyhuskerjay]

Yes I'm Chiricahua Apache . I'm sure the Aztec wouldn't been the civil war of the Americas and would be like the Roman Empire would die out. The remaining would either move north to the Yaqui, Kiowa or Comanche who spoke Aztec language. Or move south to join the incas or Mayans.

[@carstarsarstenstesenn]

The Incas were bigger but as far as North America went, the Aztecs would have dominated especially since their empire was fairly new when the Spanish showed up

[@ifyourespondyourmad.2409]

Maybe the Incas and the Aztecs would haven the top superpowers of america today.

[@saber2802]

Hard to say, coming from said peoples. We are assuming that Native Americans and Europeans/Asians have the same mindset. Building cities and nations in my own opinion would not work, if anything, we would still remain the same way we did before the Europeans landed. If you put a lot of people packed densely into one area, the land becomes over worked and bare. To some native american religions, that is a big No no.

[@laurelpais]

+Holo The Wise Wolf (Holo.) yes and i am definitely no expert but weren't a lot of tribes against one person owning a plot of land but communal land owning?

[@ZachG]

+afellowginger A lot were, but trade can change a lot of things, including a cultural mindset. Not just with the introductions of new technologies, but different ideas as well. There is a lot to explore with these scenarios, like what if China had been the dominant force in colonizing the America's. Or what if there were more hostile interactions, but the disease that wiped out such a huge chunk of the Native population never hit. Part of the reason the European colonies managed as well as they did was because they settled after that fact. Granted, these are just arm chair speculations.

[@arandomzoomer4837]

if the Europeans came the native Americans might have adopted the same European expansionism and maybe even start forming countries and using industrial revolution technology's. but they still could've had there more harmonious ways living on this planet.

[@saber2802]

afellowginger Not as far as I can tell, Most tribes just settled where there was water and food and wood, eventually territories were astabilished, but I am coming from a Nomadic tribe so I can't put my two cents in it, but for my people we just migrated from place to place. small bands of about... 50 to 20 teepees perhaps? I'd imagine the Iroquois people having to deal more with that.

[@raymondsoto926]

+Holo The Wise Wolf (Holo.) Europe used to be tribal and naturalist as well. The ever-growing population forced cultural priorities to change around the time Rome conquered Gaul, and soon Europe was dotted with cities and striped with contested borders. Also, American tribes had already begun building cities before Europe arrived. Cahokia collapsed presumably due to disease, and the Aztec and Mayan cities collapsed under both disease and Spanish invasion.

[@alternatehistorypt]

another awesome video as usual :)

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

Thanks :D

[@chrisgabele75]

AlternateHistoryHub What if Russia never fought aside with Serbia in WW1? Or what if the Persian Gulf War never even happened.

[@PythianLygume]

Chris Gabele If the Russians never fought, then we wounldn't have WW1 nor the USSR.

[@PythianLygume]

Σωτήρης Μπαζάκος No, it's fine. and I hadn't really thought about that...

[@PythianLygume]

Aleksi Reinivuo ...or that. Thanks!

[@misteraxl1]

It should have been like this :( Europe for Europeans, Americas for (native) Americans...

[@toddvines6740]

I would have loved to go to the cities shown in this.

[@Frendrian]

***** yeah it is :c

[@toddvines6740]

***** His opinion is not fascist.

[@misteraxl1]

***** I am not nazi fascist. I just thought that every land should belong to people who live on it...Americas wasn't European, it had its own people, and if imperialists weren't such asses do destroy and conquer so beautiful cultures, only for fast profit, we would develop big trade with them, exchange knowledge, and Aztec and Inca would still exist, like exotic nice countries, and many new cultures would spread also to North America... North America would be better place with them and without fat angry fake nation unrightfully called 'americans' ;)

[@toddvines6740]

misteraxl1 Yeah and we would have cool circle cities to visit.

[@robinchesterfield42]

Oooh! I would SO read a book set in this universe (if written/researched well). This just sounds...fascinating. Like you said, there's a lot of possibilities with this idea, and I'd love to read a narrative that actually takes place here. :)

[@edotori091]

I sometimes wonder about this. If the relations between these countries are good enough, I can see them forming an EU-like organization as well.

[@strechemall]

The Aztecs would def be the most powerful on the continent.

[@lcarltbmx6743]

yea but they would constantly be at war with their neibours to get slaves and sacrifice them to the all great mighty sun god, even to this day.

[@Dagsschiller]

I think they would fall soon to the power of the rising Purepecha (tarascans).

[@Scorchcast]

No they wouldn't, it would be the Iroquois, traitor. lol

[@Dagsschiller]

Aditsan The Iroquois were really on to something, but it would take them a lot of time to match the Incans or the Tarascans.

[@Scorchcast]

Dagsschiller Yeah, I'm very proud to be apart of the Iroquois bloodline, its one of those things that was mentioned when I was younger, but because I was so young it interested me about 0 this much. But as I grow older and see the relevance of it and the deep history of the people, I've become more and more proud to say I descend from them, even if that doesn't mean anything except sharing the same ancestry as a few others.

[@tigerofepicness]

this is so damn optimistic, especially for an alternate history hub video.

[@suplexcity3159]

Thanks for the vid. I actually thought a lot about this in the past and I'm glad someone else had too

[@twofacesa]

This is awesome, i was thinking about this earlier and then went to see if you'd done a video on it. glad you did, very interesting

[@soyusmaximus7176]

I think a more interesting question would be what if more animals including horses stayed in the Americas through luck of migrations during Pangea. America could have been just as advanced and strong as Eurasia if that'd been the case.

[@GalaxyGal-]

The Aztecs would have eventually overthrown their sacrificial religion and grown into a more peaceful one. After a few decades, the Aztecs would dominate southern North America and northern South America and Central America, as well as fighting for land along the east and western seaboard to compete for trade. They would have been the dominant nation. After a few centuries, they would become the most technologically and socially advanced civilization on the planet, leading everyone in mathematics and science.

[@spikemasterb2521]

can you explain what would happen to the maya and inca?

[@GalaxyGal-]

SpikeMaster B Inca were already dead by the time Columbus got here. I wish they weren't. We'd be so technologically advanced if they weren't killed out. Maya would probably be under the Aztecs but not without a fight.

[@octaviogarnica578]

No dude, by the time that the aztecs were the most powerfull civilization in mesoamerica, the maya were only a few tribes, they lost the explendor a few centuries back so yeah the aztecs would have conquer all that territory eventually

[@jbsulls]

Carl Grimes's Eyepatch 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@miguelguerrero5676]

SpikeMaster B the mayans would get conquered

[@lazarmarinkovich6297]

You guys help me so much with my history tests!

[@thecode327]

I’d like to see your modern take on this subject. Good video, but this topic deserves the style and depth you give to your newer videos.

[@thoughtcriminal7653]

Even if people from the Old World never colonized the Americas, but still traded with them, the diseases outbreaks that killed upwards of 95% of the Native Americans would still occur. Saying that the disease would have stayed out of the Americas is ASB.

[@DarDarBinks1986]

Of course the diseases would still occur. Germ theory was unknown until the late 19th century. Skraelings were no more knowledgeable of the spread of disease than their contemporaries. Until that point, the brightest minds of the day believed bad air or an imbalance of the four humors caused illness. And why do people always cry about the "white man" spreading smallpox to Skraelings but not about how Skraelings spread syphilis to whites? Why are red people any different?

[@BrightHelix]

AirCooledMan2006 As a side note, why are you using the old norse term for native americans? It's an odd choice of terminology

[@thoughtcriminal7653]

***** Why would the survival of Native American civilizations cause us to be 200 years more advanced? I don't see any evidence of this.

[@DarDarBinks1986]

Sciina Bocere Because it sounds more badass in English. ALL people born in the U.S. are "Native Americans". You can be the whitest, blackest, brownest, or yellowest person on Earth and be just as native to this country as a red person whose ancestors came here during the late Pleistocene.

[@SpazzyMcGee1337]

Anders Spencer You are right, but it should be noted that the reason so many Americans died was because multiple pandemics hit at once. They would have been hit harder than Europe was by the Black Death and that would likely cause a lot of political problems in the Americas, but their culture would likely be maintained. There is a big difference between 75% of people dying and 90% of people dying.

[@champagne7597]

This kind of makes me sad. To think, they were nearly wiped out.

[@HowToSurviveShow]

That was awesome! Great video.

[@charitycain363]

If America was never colonized, I'd still be in Germany.

[@lombardy2959]

found donald trump

[@LazyAndFabulous]

@@lombardy2959 worst joke of the year

[@user-rd8rv6nb7f]

@@LazyAndFabulous It was decent )

[@jonathanshort3724]

You wouldn't exist.

[@jonathanrichwine1996]

As some who's a Choctaw Indian, I think that this would be an interesting scenario that I would've liked to have seen. Don't get me wrong, I'm a proud American and I love my country, I'm just saying that it's a very interesting possibility.

[@StarSage66]

The horses on that thumbnail wouldn't exist in the new world for starters.

[@liannakari5177]

Unless, trade...

[@jam5533]

@@liannakari5177 Same with a lot of other things. Firearms, different fruit, animals, spices, medicine etc.

[@evangillespie6191]

Very cool cody! there is so much that this could go into like what happened to Europe without the power struggle and the effects of on technology? I love this stuff! keep it up.

[@tracievalen7381]

cool video! I really enjoyed watching this

[@Quinnknights]

a longer/deeper version of this would be awesome

[@anthonylong9067]

If the americas were never colonized, i'd be happy living in a native american tribe.

[@MrSuperX5]

Lmfao if you were to live like that for 1 month I guarnetee that you'd quit in a week

[@anthonylong9067]

***** actually, i've always wondered how it's like to live amongst the environment. Being one with nature. The way most tribes lived.

[@TheLongasen]

***** Give him a day and He'll be screaming his ass off when he wipes his ass with the poison ivy plant.

[@MrSuperX5]

Edit_ Life Or having no vaccine or medication for illness

[@TheLongasen]

At Least there's weed,The natural herb for all yer health remedies hehe

[@StephTheCoolKid]

Great video with clear explanation

[@jorger8124]

Alternate history hub great video 👍.

[@Jobe-13]

It’s pretty interesting imagining all the different alternate countries that would exist.

[@incrediblyundeniable2326]

I think this is a great concept. I'm Cherokee

[@tysonfranksfranks8365]

Incredibly Undeniable of course u are that's what all white people say

[@gaanii3376]

Tyson Franks Franks are you a native or just somebody upset that some random person called themselves cherokee. I'm a native myself and believe me I am SICK of people (not just white people btw) saying how they're"like, 16% cherokee" but c'mon

[@CassandraPantaristi]

@@gaanii3376 It annoys me when white people tell me I am not part native. I am Blackfoot and Cherokee, but I am majorly European descent and white. So, they just assume I am not native. People just don't know what I am, but I do.

[@jaqueswilliams5192]

The Antiquity Goth I have a best friend who is just like you. She’s half white and half native even tho she appears to be white, she’s actually half.

[@CassandraPantaristi]

@@jaqueswilliams5192 That's awesome, though I am only 1/16th Blackfoot. I don't know how much Cherokee I have, but I bet it isn't much.

[@sharrieffmuhammad946]

The artworks are very beautiful!

[@sammyknight4280]

Thank you this helped a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@dwc1964]

Thanks to Steve Shives for pointing me in your direction. As I posted there, this is the one event in world history that depended so much on so few people and so many things going one way rather than another that a "for want of a nail" scenario would actually have changed *everything*. So I was quite pleased to find this video. But I take it a bit further: In 1492, every literate and/or seafaring person in Europe knew the world was round. They also had some idea how big it was. The argument against sailing westward to get to Asia wasn't that you'd "fall off the edge of the Earth," it was that it was too. damn. far. And they were *right*. If the American hemisphere hadn't got in the way, Columbus's voyage would have been lost in the uninterrupted ocean everyone figured lay between Europe on the east and Asia on the west. It was simply impossible, with the tech available, to get across such a vast expanse of water. So imagine if Columbus's voyage never returned to Europe. Everyone would figure, yep, that's too much water to cross, we'll keep going to Asia the way we have been. How long would it be before anyone decided to try again? How long before seagoing tech made such a trip not just profitable, but even physically possible? Now, imagine further that Columbus's voyage had been lost at sea *on the way back*, _after_ they'd done all the horrible things they did when they landed. The Americans who had the misfortune of meeting these Europeans would try to spread the word, and it would come off like UFO stories do to us. But at least someone would know that there's some really bad dudes across the big water, and we should be ready in case they come back. How might that have spurred technological and political developments in at least that part of the Americas that Columbus's depredations affected? And in the time between 1492 and whenever Europe's seafaring tech made a trip west from Europe all the way to Asia possible, would the Americans have been able to level the playing field somewhat? Reset the clock at the point where Columbus's remaining ships sink in the middle of the Atlantic on the way home. How does it play out? One thing's for sure - it'd be *very* different.

[@TheBourn1ad]

You forgot to mention the Aztec and Incan empires. They would surely grow in size, power and influence had Europeans not taken over.

[@SpazzyMcGee1337]

Political powers probably would have come out of those regions, but both weren't very politically stable and may have eventually collapsed due to the cultural shock of European trade and diseases.

[@TheCaptainSplatter]

Especially once horses were reintroduced.

[@Estenberg]

This is a good one. Its thought provoking. You asked us 'what we would think would happen'. Its a great question - and a fun one. So let's first look at North America and the tribes there. The personality that comes to mind is the Shawnee Chief, Tecumseh, who attempted to United the Eastern Tribes into one nation, believing that as a nation, the British/Americans would negotiate more fairly with them. So, that is the date and the personage that at the latest formed a massive United Tribes of North American (The UTNA), with its Capital at Cahokia in what is now Southern Illinois. The UTNA would either ally or conquer the Huron, the Fox, the Cherokee, and the Creek - making this group of nations rulers of the entire eastern seaboard to at least the Mississippi River. In the Northeast I believe that the Iroquois would form alliances to the east and north reaching far into what is now Canada. In the West things might be a lot different, because even though California is rich, the Tribes native to California were weak and backwards compared to say The Hopi or the Zuni. So I believe that these stronger more developed nations would see the riches to the west and form alliances to wage war and take over California and points north. They might possible also conquer the tribes of the Pacific Northwest up around what is now the border of Canada, with their long house and their totem poles and their ocean going whaling ships. but most likely the expanded Hopi/Zuni nation would stop around what is now Seattle and either Vassalize or Ally with the nations north of them, helping them to conquer every tribe west of the Rocky Mountains leading up into Alaska. The Hopi/Zuni nation might also ally with the Comanche and Apache to the east and with the Navajo and the Sioux to the north - thus making a western triple alliance that would be the richest Nation in North America. So with the exception of a few independent tribes like the Menominee, and a few smaller nations like the Iroquois, most of what is now the US and Canada would be ruled by either the UTNA or the Hopi/Zuni nation. In Mezzo America the Aztecs would conquer all the lands around them, stopping only at the borders of the Hopi/Zuni nation to the north and the Mayan Kingdoms to the East. So I do not think that there would be hundreds of tribe across the Americas. I think they would unite, forming a similar number of nations as those that we have now.

[@leonartu3756]

I want you to make series Long like 10 episodes on things like this where you just make things up when you cant predict what would happen

[@Sly88Frye]

I knew there were multiple tribes, but I didn't realize there were so many! Wow! I wonder what it would be like to live in such a world.

[@derrbarn14]

probably a lot less pollution in the Americas. also the landscape would be more preserved.

[@kylebullard4780]

I am a real native American and its chaps my ass to see native American on white peoples licence plates.... Sometimes i wish America was never colonized but then i think about the type of comfortable life we live now that would not be if America were nevee colonized.

[@TheWaffleMuncher]

also, unless your 100% native and not white, you would never even be born.

[@kylebullard4780]

TheWaffleMuncher Also if the white man never came to America millions of my ancestors would not have been exterminated. I never really understood why Americans speak so poorly of Nazi Germany when "Americans" accomplished so much more in the extermination of an entire race of people department...

[@SpazzyMcGee1337]

Europeans didn't intentionally eradicate natives. Disease wiped out up to 90% of Americans. When Europeans arrived en masse they just assumed the natives weren't making use of the land and so they set up shop, not knowing that just a generation earlier the land was full of native Americans. Additionally, Europeans didn't recognize the methods Americans used to utilize the land. American agriculture was labor intensive and thus small scale, and they used the surrounding wilderness for hunting game. This didn't starkly contrast uninhabited wilderness like European farms did. Beyond the initial wave of colonization most of the native's suffering was due to run of the mill human conflict, which typically ended poorly for natives because of their inability to resist European technology and organization while constantly having their legs pulled out from under them by further disease outbreaks. The worst things Europeans did were their exploitation of natives, most notably by Spanish use of Incan mita, and Europeans occasionally breaking their own agreements with natives. Also, fuck Andrew Jackson.

[@TheWaffleMuncher]

SpazzyMcGee1337 i think we all agree

[@kylebullard4780]

SpazzyMcGee1337 You actually think Europeans didn't mean to intentionally eradicate native Americans? WOW!!! I mean you actually whole heartedly believe that? Your ignorance is profound... Eruopeans intentionally committed genocide against my ancestors and that's an ugly little fact "Americans" don't like to talk about.... Europeans didn't get off the boat and claim this beautiful unclaimed land. They got off the boat half dead and if it wasn't for the native peoples showing Europeans how to survive off the new land America would probably look much different today... Go read an actually history book and you'll find out what kind what kind of atrocities were committed by Europeans against native people...

[@KcBull]

The voice is so different it is fun to go back and see different videos

[@iam_darthk]

Very interesting!

[@jeremiahthomas3542]

I bet these guys play a shit ton of civ

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

You have no idea

[@Zen-sx5io]

Civ?

[@jeremiahthomas3542]

Aaron Solomon Shortening of the popular turn based strategy game Sid Meiers Civilization 5. can also apply to the 4th entry of the series as well

[@ebinecksdee9872]

he sounds so young lol

[@noahhernandez9688]

this video was helpful

[@regulate.artificer_g23.mdctlsk]

Good I would love an update/reboot/expansion of this video.

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

New Alternate History is up! Check it out! Share this video with your friends to help grow this channel!

[@EstebanMenchacaGamboa]

at 0:30 I don't think horses were around before colonial exploration... But then again good video man.

[@commander5662]

***** Its actually kind of funny what happened. First their was the prehistoric horses that died out after the ice age then horses were re-introduced thanks to Europeans (more specifically Spain).

[@jameswoods4134]

***** I would assume that horses would be introduced by this alternative Colombian Exchange anyways and that the plains Indians would inevitably have their own, using them to become a nomadic people that dominated most of the plains thanks to their powerful warriors. Although it'd be logical to assume that they would fight each-other for supreme control for many years, I would excpect them to eventually unite/ally/dominate eachother to the point that they turned their attention to eastern and western lands for expansion. That would be proper grounds for a Plains Indian Empire that would dominate American politics for many years; perhaps even a "Mongolian Empire of the New World".

[@kitasasmanissa1187]

Make a video about Europe if this scenario would happened

[@JukeboxTheGhoul]

Hmm... Wouldn't World War 2 (and world war 1, but I don't know much about that topic so I'll skip it for now) be totally different, Because as England influenced America greatly, that's why we were so good allies that they would come in and give use a final push in the war. So as America is not as english, the relations wouldn't be so great, and we would've kept on fighting until one of the sides were exhausted and thus the one not exhausted would win the world war. (Sidenote: England has always historically hard to defeat as we are an Island, and thus our navy is well developed, so it's like we can be defeated out side our home but not in it.) Very Interesting, keep it up.

[@Vermbraunt]

on the topic of American colonization, what if the medieval Nordic colonies never failed

[@bradenmctavish7060]

Has any one ever noticed how deep his voice has gotten over time like if you watch his newer videos his voice has gotten deep

[@SilverWolfM200LDH]

I really enjoy your videos, your information and graphics are great. This whole series gives me another way to think of things I never thought of. Specifically with this one, where did you find that gorgeous wolf/native American picture at 2:50, I love it?

[@Tokuijin]

I like the music ending. Found myself dancing to it. I would like to know, do you know what the name of the song is?

[@OscaReyLich]

Aztecs and Incas, would have been like Russia and Germany

[@peccantis]

Would like a counterpart video for this scenario: how would the rest of the world and its large scale history be affected?

[@kingofsting19]

I'd like to see how the nations in this hypothetical America slowly start to absorb the smaller tribes and create fewer but larger conglomerates, if they are to follow the models of Europe and Asia. Either through full on conquest like England, or a more political unification like Italy. It'd be really interesting to see that timeline of events.

[@LarlemMagic]

If only the Mayans had kicked it up a notch before the invasion.

[@ethankeller1526]

Actually, the Mayans died out around 1200 A.D., 300 years before the Europeans came, due to famine and other causes. The Aztecs were the dominant society in what we know as Mexico and the Incas in South America.

[@ethankeller1526]

Also, the reason the Aztecs didn't fight back at first was because their leader, Montezuma II, was crazy and thought Hernan Cortez was a returning god. By the time the Europeans attacked, it was too late. In the case of the Incas, they had just recovered from a civil war and were weak. That is when Fransisco Pizarro attacked.

[@Arwyroe]

Ethan Keller incorrect, the Cortez = god was a myth, no evidence to support it and historian think that it was a myth made up by Franciscan Bernardino de Sahagun to legitimize conversion "such stupid people, they praised a normal human" and the story the Quetzalcoatl being blue eyed white skinned blonde haired... a myth, made by Spanish missionaries to familiarize the natives with their Jesus, Quetzalcoatl in mythology was high priest who was tempted by a lady while he was meditating and fasting in his temple, it was a trap planted by his enemies but he fell for it and thought himself unworthy, so he exiled himself (some say he burnt himself in a boat :/ ), high priests took on the name Quetzalcoatl as a title his name was Ce Acatl Topiltzin (Quetzalcōatl) and he was a Toltec, and his story merged with the god giving it a human incarnation. All the Aztec were doing were showing their power by inviting them in, they liked to intimidate their foes.

[@ethankeller1526]

Thanks for that. I thought what I said was right, but you have proven me otherwise.

[@Arwyroe]

You are most welcome :)

[@T3nMiDGET5711]

I like this alternate history it ends very well for my people

[@the2ndamigo228]

Is there a follow up vid to this with more speculation? I'd love to see that!

[@colombianflag717]

Very interesting

[@TheDistractingGamer]

I doubt nations would be created in the native america seeing as how the philosophy of the north-american tribes only saw land as a place to live on, not to own.

[@mbanana23456]

G Nauck i was talking about the nomads on the great plains, they were a small part of the native Americans, but everyone just assumes that's what all native Americans were like

[@mbanana23456]

G Nauck oh my bad

[@arifigo1006]

Dont underestimate human greed

[@nicholasheidrich1875]

I can honestly say that this is one of my favorites. I mean what would it be like if one of the strongest nations in the world never existed?

[@TrickiVicBB71]

Things have sure changed in 2023 in how you make videos and your voice

[@ReaverLordTonus]

I really would love to see how this scenario.would play out long term. How would the Native American culture evolve through to the modern age.

[@darth3911]

it would kinda be like Africa but more like the Middle east

[@nicholasrowe6322]

I think that the Aztec and Incan empires would probably prosper and grow from: 1 Trade (Especially Aztecs, being that they can trade with both Asia AND Europe easily.) 2: The fact that both were huge. 3: Fertile land.

[@kyleg.4721]

I just want to see if i'm the only one that thinks it would be better if this happened

[@Blockistium]

Would the world be better off without an entire continent's worth of people being wiped off the planet? Obviously

[@AK-xi5vy]

Yeah, all of Americas would be useless land since it was populated by people who were at least 3000 years behind in technology, most of them weren't even in Bronze Age by 1500's while Greece, Middle East, Egypt and Italy were in IRON AGE by 1000BC. If never colonized by anyone, Native Americans most likely still wouldn't be in Iron Age xD

[@wojpm2000]

I think you really nailed it, because I believe everything happens for a reason sometimes for the good, sometimes not so good. I Love the diversity in our country because of the uniqueness it brings and I believe that a lot of ideas and Technologies came from around the world and learning about ways of doing things and learning the discoveries made. It didn't just come from one country it came from many countries especially science, the science of Ancient East and Ancient West really plays a role in how America progressed and learned new ideas, but most of all having the freedom that we have regardless what anyone says about freedom, I think is the most important, sure there are some basic rules and guidelines you have to follow, freedom does have a price to pay, but most of it was paid by those who fought for it, be it Servicemen and Women or Non-Service personnel and we have to continue to fight for it to maintain it.

[@dreammirrorbrony1240]

Not sure how it would have ended up, but the Aztecs were very powerful in their region of Mexico city. Had they not been conquered and instead worked out trade agreements with Europe, they might have expanded up into Texas & New Mexico and further south into South America, becoming an empire. With coasts on the east and west, they would have been a natural trading hub for both Europe and China.

[@RokaSoka]

Here is a video idea. What if Ancient Egypt never fell?

[@strechemall]

Omfg, that would have been so awesome. Seeing their culture, religion, and people today.

[@RokaSoka]

Agreed.

[@khongorshatar4816]

pyramids, pyramids everywhere

[@juancariasr7932]

Khongor Shatar Probably some expansionist Greeks (MAKEDONIA) would had taken over them, in a different way it happen in real history, whit lots of revolts.

[@nothri]

juan arias Greece and the rest of the Mediterranean fell into a primitive Dark Age known as the Bronza Age collapse around 1200 BC. My favorite "What If" scenario goes like this: What if Egypt had a more prosperous empire and was able to more effectively end the threat of the Sea Peoples? It would in effect have about 400 years to expand, colonize, and dominate the Mediterranean and the proto-Greeks along with it. If Rome (or something like it) were to arise in this timeline, I'd wager it would base its society on Egypt rather than Greece. And considering that many modern countries can in some way trace their language, society, and religion back to ancient Rome....you get the idea. Very different world indeed.

[@ThomasC3075]

I would love to know what if the Irish remained independent of England and colonised and also I would like to see more European alternate histories on the channel

[@franciscojavierdelatorreba3554]

Good damn your voice sure has upgraded by the time

[@mogolovonio2687]

look guys, im not like the rest! I just want to say this was a good and interesting video :D

[@smcneal057]

I think this would be more interesting if it took place.

[@tlanextliixtlilxochitl5427]

If the Americas werent colonized I would be happy living as a Mexica noble. But nope

[@papaltaco]

+Tlanextli Ixtlilxochitl Nope, you would be a slave for sacrifice or forced works.

[@tlanextliixtlilxochitl5427]

Miguel de Castilla Actually my lineage traces to being a noble

[@Frosty_coyote]

I'd be living in Italy

[@tinman3586]

Or you be getting your beating heart cut out of your chest as by an Aztec high preist.

[@tlanextliixtlilxochitl5427]

Tin Man No, actually we only did that to slaves and war prisoners NOT Nobles

[@joshuaoha]

This is such an interesting idea to me. Even though I probably wouldn't exist if that had happened, I would love to know how history could have changed.

[@grungeisdead8998]

There's no "probably" to that statement nobody existing now would be existing if this timeline happened lmfao that's how butterfly effects work

[@scottmantooth8785]

need to revisit this one Cody and consider just how willing Native Americans would have been to introducing new technology into their cultures and how transformative such things can be. such as the introduction of the horse (or as they were also called elk dogs) to the Plains Indian Tribes and united them into a powerful nation and network of alliances and trade partners

[@TheSaul70]

The Incas sooner or later would have assimilated the Aztecs if they had allowed them to spread further ... in the best of cases they could ally since the Incas no crushed the beliefs of other tribes and added them to their own

[@NicholasBellic]

Civ 5 playing as the iroquois

[@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot]

Woah, you sound so different between this video and your more recent ones.... and strangely more nasal. Good on you; getting better sound equipment.

[@Blue-eu5qn]

If the United States never existed we would all be speaking German. Its really that simple.

[@kelvinshajejwu4128]

Nope

[@billhosko7723]

Nah.. west of Mississippi - Japanese... East... German.

[@pumitriii6160]

Imagine showing this video to a native American in the 1300's

[@westonnwaimo4002]

They will probably be like how can that happen 😨😱😱 and since they're disciplined they'll probably be way more prepared for the Europeans

[@pumitriii6160]

@@westonnwaimo4002 yh if they were all unified they'd probably do pretty well

[@GaionSputro]

​@@pumitriii6160 You can make anime about that. Alternate universe of native america, ye!

[@pumitriii6160]

@@GaionSputro Great idea! I'll share it with you when I'm done!

[@GaionSputro]

@@pumitriii6160 Cant wait.

[@FastCarsNoRules220]

It would be cool to see an alternate timeline where Europe didn't discover America until after they launched the first satellites into space in the 1950s, and having the age of exploration happening at the same time as the space race. Except since the USA doesn't exist in this scenario, it would be Western Europe vs the Soviet Union where both eventually clash with the Native Americans and introduce them to stuff like the automobile and the aircraft. Just imagine the natives attacking their rival tribes in offroad cars and fighter jets instead of horses.

[@qsr1776]

Good idea

[@helpme5785]

is it alright if i use the maps in your video or use them for inspiration of other maps?

[@deadknight1402]

Any plans on redoing this one?

[@Natbuscus911]

What about if all of history was in a mirror world where all of the ancient powers like Greece Rome Egypt and Carthage started in the new world instead of Europe?

[@shrek19yearsago78]

Greece and Rome were in Europe

[@AP-qs2zf]

What? 😂

[@ShadowTheDeathhog]

Oh awesome, my question/ video idea was accepted! Well, as a novice historian and cultural anthropologist myself, I'd say that the first attempts to colonize the New World would undoubtedly fail if native populations remained unaffected by disease. European powers would grow slowly without the unconditional resources flowing from the American continents, and instead they would have to establish diplomatic trading missions like you said. Colonization attempts might still occur during the 19th century just as they did with Asia and Africa, but just like with Asia and Africa, it would be more of a administrative European government ruling over the impoverished native populace whilst the military keeps order and a few puppet or bribed figures from the native population enjoy wealth and status given to them by the foreign occupation. Some areas would be completely subjugated, like with what we see in Africa. However, just like in Africa and Asia, there would be tribes or groups of tribes that would unite together to resist foreign occupation and remain independent powers throughout the 19th century, just like with Ethiopia and Japan. Finally, if World War still broke out, we'd see it fought in Asia, America, Africa, and Europe in what would basically be an expansion of the colonial wars fought in World War I. Some victorious Empires might still retain their holdings in America, but due to lapsing power, finances, or military coverage, some overseas colonies might collapse. Because the majority population would be native and not European, they would likely dissolve in one of two ways. Either they would have had some tribal identity lost and local groups that were granted power by the ruling Europeans would still try to hold on to it and re-establish it in the form of their own independent nation which subjugates various ethnic groups and language groups, united only under the common identity of their former Imperial rulers, just like much of Africa. Other, larger cultural groups and those than remained independent would possibly attempt to form modern countries based more on a more Amerindiancentric identity, even if it requires subjugating and stamping out smaller minority groups. The American continents would be a wild mess of borders and both large and small countries based variously on independent super tribe holdings as well as remnants of former colonies with borders carved out by empires. Because the former colonial countries would lack a very cohesive national identity, its possible that more militaristic previously uncolonized nations would prey upon their weaker and disheveled neighbors to expand their territory by modernizing their military, just as Japan did. The Aztec Empire, being large and well established, thus difficult to colonize, would be a great candidate for this role, and just like Japan did in 19th and 20th century Asia, would possible become the key military and political figure of the Americas. I'm Native American (not by a small percentile, but nearly as full blooded as you can get nowadays without living in isolation) so this is something that fascinates me, but unfortunately is subject to a whole lot of speculation. Anyway, thanks for the video!

[@leonbruno3745]

2:53 wait that’s the painting I have at my home :)

[@anon9579]

In one timeline similar to this one the Ojibwa nation winds up being a tourist trap with a high standard of living