What if Fallout 4 was.. Brutal ?

[@BickleyLTO]

(Day 4) I want to add an interesting bit of context here. I posted the Corvega Gang segment on TikTok, without the previous context from the video., and ironically there are many comments stating that it wouldn't make sense for the Protagonist to side with the raiders. These comments unknowingly proved the point that Fallout 4's player backstory is far too restricting. I just found it interesting that even the idea of "being your own character" would stir controversy simply because the player is not supposed to be that type of person. Whereas in no other fallout title would this be a valid take, since the backstory is broad enough for us to be who we want to be. Food for thought.. and speaking of food. [will work for food] ko-fi.com/bickley

[@JuniorJuni070]

okay play survival mode let’s see what you mean with brutal when a rad scorpion will stab you to death

[@BickleyLTO]

@@JuniorJuni070 difficulty & brutality aren't synonymous here

[@Intr0vertical]

I feel like NV also overstepped it's boundaries with the whole Divide thing that the Courier had to be part of

[@ByteFall]

that's hilarious tbh

[@White-Ringer]

This feels like a sort of social experiment and your hypothesis was right on point

[@bearlogg7974]

>Walk into town >Turn nearest kid into plasma goop in front of it’s parents >Go home >Boot up Fallout 1

[@NolenGYT]

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[@VitaTheMerm]

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[@benedek9893]

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[@kayoyadig]

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[@Bluecat-mi8]

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[@adamgeigerjr6995]

FO4 was my first Fallout game so when I finally got around to New Vegas & stumbled upon my first crucified body, I knew I was playing a whole different type of experience

[@henneth4452]

its the one modern fallout made by the original dev team is the funniest part

[@gamertardguardian1299]

@@henneth4452 Did interplay work on New Vegas? Or some of their former employees? I thought they had nothing to do with it

[@Assassino275]

Starting with fallout 4 is gross, I feel sorry for you

[@adamgeigerjr6995]

@@Assassino275 3 & NV still exist and played (enjoyed) them a lot despite their age ... no need to feel sorry

[@Assassino275]

@@adamgeigerjr6995 I know and that's good I started with NV and playing through 3 afterwards felt like such a drag

[@Mutant_Mods]

Your video is about to blow up bro, brace yourself.

[@nikithegamer5165]

First you broaden my scope of mods and maps, now you broaden this dude's viewcount? What are you? Modding community's mr beast?

[@Mutant_Mods]

@@nikithegamer5165 I didn't do nothin', this video is too good + it's aimed at an audience starving for good content on KZbin + this guy is hilarious & charismatic. I just know it when a video is about to go viral. No luck about it just maths.

[@BickleyLTO]

​@@Mutant_Mods damn man, that's inspiring to hear. Thanks Mutant - Consider me one of your new fans

[@simple-commentator-not-rea7345]

@@Mutant_Mods And why shouldn't he get more views? Literally thousands of people on Reddit and such post millions of great ideas on how to fix Fallout 4, he actually put it into a video, and made some decent edits so we can visualise it.

[@brandonguevara321]

🤑

[@wingfury]

The most disappointing thing about Nuka World is that if you decide to go all out as a raider boss, the game lets you attack Sanctuary but doesn't let you fully wipe out the settlers because of that god-damn plot armor built into Harvey and all his sidekicks, forcing them to glitch into non-stop loop of fighting raiders and being downed. Even finishing the story prior to that doesn't get rid of the immortality. Can't even be the bad guy in this damn world.

[@Fizcakesprite]

Mod the game.

[@plugshirt1762]

@@Fizcakespritebruh you shouldn’t have to mod a game to make it functional ffs.

[@ultraviolet540]

I never even bother joining the raiders since it’s very out of character- it’s fun just to treat as a late game combat gauntlet and get some loot and xp.

[@OfficialNyner]

Fallout 1 intro scene where the guy was shot by the person in power armor while still twitching after the first shot scarred me as a kid but did set the tone for a good fallout experience.

[@TheZotman5]

Followed by said Power Armor guy turning and waving happily to the camera.

[@BickleyLTO]

Those OG fallout games hit hard man. 10 year old me fell in love quick

[@TheHandsomeOne01]

That was conically Nate from fallout 4

[@BickleyLTO]

Then Emil backtracked the tweet because that's par for course as far as Bethesda lore consistency goes 😂

[@AmyCherryLMAO]

​@@TheHandsomeOne01emil said nate was the dude standing next to him and laughing

[@xIcyStarzz-yz7my]

Does anyone rememeber being able to type dialoug into Fallout 2? I rememeber thinking, man, in 20 years, we'll be able to talk to NPCS like real people. Flash forward 20 years... FOUR DIALOUG CHOICES

[@BickleyLTO]

I do remember this - forgot it was even in F2 , thought it was F1 only

[@xIcyStarzz-yz7my]

The further we get, the further we get behind. Thats the Gaming Industry Standard... @@BickleyLTO

[@BickleyLTO]

@@xIcyStarzz-yz7my ironic isn't it? I remember as a kid imagining "wow in 10 years we'll be able to do this and have this , games will be epic!"

[@xIcyStarzz-yz7my]

Also, Subbed and liked, great video man.

[@pedrojesusfigueroacovagome6968]

​@@BickleyLTO Yes, it was Fallout 1 only

[@Myserieden]

The brutality of the world is my biggest complaint. It’s not nearly as dark and gritty as it should be. There should be a feeling of dread that makes the sprinkling of humor stand out that much more.

[@BickleyLTO]

Exactly. The charm of the humor was _because_ of how it clashed with the theme. Like a bite of sweet in a salty meal.

[@iansrven3023]

They definitely lost the vibe from Fo3 and FNV

[@Skywalker1616]

The very same comment could be related to the Fallout TV show, I can't stand the lost of the fallout vibe, all the greenery and stuff

[@Mentallyheld]

@kevalyarathore223 you know..they still do that right? well sort of but with MUCH less of the groin shooting, its just that it isnt a 2d top perspective game anymore

[@Mentallyheld]

@kevalyarathore223 yeahyeah i just record gameplay anyways my point still stands, the charm was never lost in the first place its just that its now in 3d

[@sagetheassassin3192]

I would like to add something :The Factions don’t feel alive Siding with the minutemen: Can’t take back Quincy Siding with the Railroad: Can’t take back the Switchbord or build a new HQ Siding with the brotherhood of steel: Can’t expand your territory, no new brotherhood outposts Siding with the Institute: Can’t take over Goodneighbor or actively replace people

[@Mr_Vakarian]

yeah, they all kinda feel... empty almost. like sure, they're kinda unique from eachother but they could've been so much more. the whole game could've been so much more

[@xavier4519]

adding the minutemen here doesnt feel right, they have the castle and taking back quincy doesnt seem like it needs to be done when the ppl moved into sanctuary

[@AverageWagie]

In Sim Settlements 2 and you CAN retake Quincy and set up HQ there

[@arshiaaghaei]

Yeah, the Quincy one feels the most real of all. You took back the castle, why not Qunicy? However, I recall that for the Institute you had a few missions where you'd replace someone with a synth. I don't recall who it was tho

[@mikelpllaalapaala8736]

Yeah, when I played Fallout 4 for the first time it felt like I entered a candyland rather than grim world of F3/F:NV alike

[@BickleyLTO]

True, makes me wonder what's in store for ES6

[@reboa.i563]

⁠@@BickleyLTOUnicorns and fucking rainbows is what’s in store for us when ES6 arrives.

[@scubasteve3032]

As impossible as it sounds, es6 will be worse than Starfield.

[@zeusapollo6504]

About ES6, i hope its more like Daggerfall. It had the darkest ambience by far. Whished some of the younger folks would have expierenced it at the time, but you can with unity and dream mod. Everything is very scary the screaming skeletons the scratching doors the noise behind walls the incredible big dungeons where you can get lost very easily, werewolf/boar and different vampire clans at the start of its release allready. Where as in Morrowind you needed addons and patches for this and it was not scarry at all. Popular does not mean best. Same could be said about Fallout, too. First 2 games were the best, period. Too many changes and its no longer the same game. Betheseda is an expert in making too many changes to ruin their IPs and those they sneaked in.

[@rotepfutze]

​@@reboa.i563 Unicorns and rainbows? Sounds awesome!

[@devinb7805]

Does anyone remember the mission in fallout new Vegas where you need to rescue a guys kidnapped son? You eventually find him in the basement of the Luxe in the freezer. You can choose to untie him which would save him or you can let Mortimer know what’s going on, go down and kill the guy’s son and then the kitchen will cook him into a chili. You then proceed to feed the chili to the guys father where he proceeds to try to kill you after you tell him what he was eating? Now this is dark.

[@CaeridLock.]

Thanks for bringing that up and reminding me of the original scott tenorman episode of south park

[@devinb7805]

That’s how it felt. I may have gotten the food type wrong…maybe it was steak, but man that quest was normal at first and took an extreme turn (if you role played a psychopath) right in the middle.

[@hughjanus700]

This quest alone had more meaningful choices than all of fallout 4. Best part is framing him for his son's murder

[@zevnduck9904]

You can scarify your companion to help the guys son come out alive (Sorry Arcade, you gotta go)

[@juanfranciscobartlett5197]

you can sell kids in fallout 3 and 4

[@sauceman2885]

Once entering concord you hear gunshots, a raider meets you and harshly tells you to get lost or else he’ll shoot. Asking what happened he tells what limited information he knows on the raiders assault on the minutemen remnants. Offering help he sends you in fully expecting you to die so he can kill two birds with one stone. Later surprising him with your survival and capture of mama Murphy, he gives you a cut of the loot and tells you to meet up with him and the other raiders at corvega for a report to the boss. When meeting with Jerad you must be careful with how you speak with him and if successful are allowed to officially join the gang. Doing so your first job is to go with some raiders to a nearby settlement to intimidate the settlers into submission, given the chance to see the evils of the raiders you willingly continue to plunder the settlers of their land and belongings and return to a satisfied Jerad. You are always welcome in their territory and can always go on further campaigns of looting settlements. However, this is not your place to settle down, you must find greener pastures, or pastures to burn…

[@BickleyLTO]

You're hired 🍻

[@erketyrettile4734]

It could work but you have to change the beginning of fallout 4 imo, you can't come out from a nitrogen vat and then join the first idots you find

[@sauceman2885]

@@erketyrettile4734 why not? You join plenty of those kind of people in other games quickly, they aren’t your final destination either

[@erketyrettile4734]

@@sauceman2885 because unless you're a full blown psychopath you don't join a drug gang as an ex army veteran who fought for his country and married a lawyer, hell there isn't an evil faction in fallout 4 at maximum they are dark grey instaed of black.

[@sauceman2885]

@@erketyrettile4734 the idea brought up in the video was that the sole survivor has no known past as that limits what can be done from a role playing perspective

[@ConorThacker]

just realising now that the child at 1:54 is just a resized adult which is really really funny

[@ronaldspears6723]

Man this was a rollercoaster Intrigue -> documentary -> movie -> epic mod -> existential crisis -> and now I'm a member Great vid dude

[@Quithre]

Is there a mod for this stuff? I'm very interested if so

[@jimmnasium]

@@Quithre let me know if you find out; im trying to mod the game to be this way too

[@BickleyLTO]

Welcome aboard Ronald 🍻

[@ronaldspears6723]

​@@BickleyLTO When do we get behind the scenes??

[@BickleyLTO]

​@@ronaldspears6723it's a completely new format for me man but it shouldn't take too long - hopefully I don't spend a month on each episode because perfectionism

[@TennessseTimmy]

I only played it with mods and it was brutal and fun. Disabling bullet sponges alone makes a big difference

[@erreesser]

Old fallouts were brutal, if you can kill someone fast, you will, but if not, you will die, period. No dumping mags just to take out HALF of the health bar

[@thegoldenorder4409]

@@erreessertrue, i cant count just how many times ive been shreded by automatic weapons in the classic fallouts.

[@boscxx1447]

fallout 4 on survival with some basic mods changed the game for me completely, love playing every minute now

[@MinorLife10]

​@@erreesserFrom the other side, chopping geckos with a knife because the gun has -28% chance of hitting the target (yes, this is totally normal for classic Fallouts) will make you want to be as pacifist as you can because every battle is a hell. 3D Fallout games made the battles much less of neverending suffering.

[@Mcworld100]

What mods were u using exactly?

[@TheLastArbiter]

That new scenario in Vault 111 you described is awesome bro. You didn’t mention how essential characters also forces you down certain paths, when in New Vegas for example, any adult was fair game if you decided their time was up.

[@Abc1238u]

Children were free game until Bethesda made them remove it.

[@mytn4576]

I feel like the new scenario would lack a goal. Without a goal player has got no reasons to do anything. In Fallout 1 you try to get a water chip so your vault - the place you spend your entire life, and the only "safe" place you know - does not die In Fallout 2 you try to find a GECK so your village - Once again, the place you spend your entire life, your family - does not die In Fallout NV you get shot in the head while doing your job and then your goal is to finish the job and find out why were you shot What would be the goal in this new scenario? Getting your memories back? Finding a loved one? Saving your people from extinction? All of those could not work with a given scenario - If you get your memories back, then you are no longer a blank character - There is no loved one to find - There are no people to save I could see maybe a Vault 111 doctor, leaving a holotape, gun and few stimpacks, claiming they were the ones that saved you, and telling you to meet them at the institute. Then player will have some questions and reasons to go out - Who is this doctor, why did they save me, what is the institute It is not perfect For pros it - Gives a goal for player - Still makes you a blank character For cons - The goal is weak - Requieres a lot of rework (You are no longer a Sole Survivior, since the doctor did survive Vault 111) - Requires a lot of work to avoid plotholes - Why did the doctor not help you escort you out of Vault 111, Why did doctor not wake you up (Maybe the doctor died after returning to Vault 111, but still recomended you to visit institue as a kind of last chance for humanity to survive, maybe they gave you some passward or secondary wy to enter it) You can see that there are a lot of problems with it, but without a goal, story can not exist. Trust me It has happened to me in a table top game, where characters had no real reason to accept the quest giver quest, so they just refused it, which resulted in me having as the quest giver, having to pull someshenanigans which resulted in almost everyone dying at one point or other.

[@BallsRollProjects]

@@mytn4576 Bethesda knows how to make open worlds and enviroments but lacks in writing department and general vision. One of the main criticises of fallout 3 is the main quest...finding your dad and the hole purified water project is bland and so much forced that it is a drag. Making the player a blank slate and just give him the question "Who am i?" is enought to enter the wasteland. The player is a pre war relic how does he fit do this world? Does he embrace the cruelty of the wasteland or he is a beacon of hope, something that fallout 3 treid to do (Blowing up megaton: EVIL, not blowing up megotn : GOOD HUH? this is the dilemma???) but in fallout 4 it could be done again and succed. But this is bethesta their writing is mediocare and shallow i dont expect them to make compeling stuff. (also new vegas goal is weak asf i never cared for benny really but all the road shenanigans, the quests, the characters you meet that have nothing to do with the main plot and then the enterance to New Vegas man this is some gourmet shit)

[@solertree8653]

I've played a LOT of fallout 4. to this day I've never actually completed the story because I honestly found it boring. There's no harsh consequences to most things you do, and at the end of the day It's way more enjoyable to explore than to get involved with bethesda's very lackluster npcs.

[@CaeridLock.]

Your old man son gets the cancers and either hands you over the keys, or you blow the place up, then you get to keep the synth kid if you want, or try to leave him there which everyone dislikes One time for kicks I tried to leave him just to see what's up, and I'm pretty sure they won't even let you unless you go brotherhood, i feel like preston and sturges at least both say, no man, we're not leaving the child in the nuclear explosion, dafaq is wrong with you idk you'll have to try for yourself to be sure

[@XXXTENTAClON227]

Not to seem like anymore of a FNV fanboy, but they also provide the perfect start like you said: you are a courier, who survived a shot to the head. You don’t even have to pursue the perpetrator, nor is it actually the main plot of the game, but rather a small grievance But to top it all off, the 1 intelligence speech checks in HELIOS One confirmed to me that the game is truly one of a kind, they didn’t have to give you so many alternate encounters, they just did. You can actually roleplay as a mentally challenged protagonist. Also another note: in terms of brutality and evil, one of the biggest ways this is delivered is the Omertas questline. There’s a guy you have to speak to who is completely chill and actually more friendly than almost everyone in the casino. But if you check behind a bookcase, you will find a snuff tape in addition to a room with the body behind a very hard lock. If you confront him, he won’t even negotiate but just attack, something like “ah well, what a shame” is his reaction. Other examples include: - Boones wife - Rauls sister (and family) - Bitter Springs - Vault 11 and the wife who was blackmailed, tricked, who then killed her blackmailers - The Fiends - Vault 3 - Legion slaves - Legate Lanius blinding his slaves so they don’t see his face - Legate Lanius sacrificing slaves to Mars - Legion attack on Nelson - Dead Moneys backstory I would LOVE to see you make a video on the brutal nature of FNV! The fact that there’s so much cut content is scary… they already delivered something which set too high a standard for the future, imagine these guys with unlimited resources 😅

[@codmskellig2269]

True the amount of cut content is crazy You could've become a fiend if you wanted to or u could've helped the robots at big Mt so they take over the Mojave using it as a test site for there sick experiments and u get an ending with legion up in space and people in simulations

[@dudemantype]

One thing I never understood about the beginning of the game is the logic of the concord situation in the writer's minds, especially if you play as Nora. Think about it, you're a lawyer, fresh from white picket fence urban USA, zero combat experience and weapons training... your kid is missing... boom you're in the wasteland, here's a 10mm... good luck. Now you tell me: why in the hell would you start joining in a fight between dirty leather clad hobos and some 18th century larping twit on a balcony? Hell na. Even as Nate it wouldn't make sense to join In. Nate doesn't know who they are, and as a soldier you know to pick your fights. Not this one! In all my playthroughs I avoid concord like the plague and only come back when my char has more experience and someone tells me they're there. (I absolutely love fo4 btw. The predetermined character and scenario actually works well for me)

[@conandrake444]

Totally agree ! I wish Bethesda could take notes on every Alternate Starts mods out there. Just starting the game with the character you want. Like being able to start on a random planet in Starfield would have been great.

[@potato_723]

Humour, happy endings and hope are like a candle in a dark room. The light moments make the dark ones more impactful. Fallout 4 and on is a torch. The darkness is there, but only in the corners and hidden places

[@BickleyLTO]

True. The original formula was a perfect blend, but it seems the new Chef is trying to turn our entree into a dessert

[@Arc-tz5qd]

@@BickleyLTO Fallout4 is still better than Fallout3 lol, you literally can only play as a stereotypical good guy. And since the show was pretty grim it’s safe to assume that the franchise is heading towards the right direction

[@bonnnetwork]

Biggest criticism to me with Bethesda is how "Pixar" they've been getting

[@namesurname5409]

Yep, Bethesda's drawn out unskippable "tutorials" suck. Especially so after several replays. And all that "moral" stuff in the storytelling is also irritating. It's like dev's are saying "you are supposed to play OUR way, or you are evil". It did not start with F4 though. F3 was the same. The games feel shallow, fake. Theme parks made to entertain. And "tutorial" thing is also old, the one in TES:Oblivion was similarly dull. Crawling through sewers for half an hour for the 20th goddamn time is not exactly exciting. I really miss simpler approach, like in Morrowing or New Vegas (which is vastly better then vanilla F3 imo). "Oh, you woke up, good, let's allocate your stats.... aaand we are done... go, do some crime.... or don't"

[@Sigismund-von-Luxembourg]

Personally I would have made the minutemen a group of weirdo's who worship the founding fathers of America as gods which seems kind of funny but then I'd have a scene where you show up to one of their sermons and witness them burning people alive at the stake for "Communism". That is the sort of dark humor that Fallout used to have that is missing from Bethesda entries.

[@delvinciposterkid]

That overhaul mod would be 150 gigabytes big. But seriously F04 does seem like a monorail ride with predetermined stations and destinations, even if with the mods out there to make the trip at least entertaining.

[@Gone1229]

Thing is that the points youre criticizing arent only present in the fallout fallout franchise. They are present in the whole gaming industry. Like a desease everything gets streamlined to appeal to everyone especially younger people and kids. Its not about making a great game and then making money with it. Its first and foremost about making money. The making a game part comes after and greatness isnt even wanted anymore, because they dont have to, because we will buy it anyway.

[@BickleyLTO]

^ almost identical to the film industry these days

[@tjk-goix8513]

Honestly, Bethesda CAN make Fallout Dark as Hell, and they'll do a good damn job too, they just don't want to

[@Zero60133]

I always felt Bethesda wanted to make some Mad Max type of game set not too long after it's all gone to hell. They're not interested in making the nuanced story about the struggles of the world recovering from darkest period of human history. I do believe current Bethsda doesn't have it in them to create stories of level old Obsidian guard could, but they also would never even try to hire people for it.

[@aries6687]

i’ve watched and read MANY fan fallout theories that put a spin on the main story of 4. your spin of everyone being canabils and nate being the true “sole survivor” with no memory quite literally made me sad and envious that it wasn’t real. being able to side with corvega too! genius! i never realized how much we really did miss out on in fallout 4. this video is gunna blow up for sure!

[@XXXTENTAClON227]

Incredible video. You’ve earned a sub and this vid is rightfully blowing up, shoutout KZbin for putting it on my recommended I remember when I first played New Vegas I was kinda caught off guard. Essentially, the fiends were just fascinating to me; the only other game I’ve seen explore that kind of evil is Red Dead Redemption 2, with the Murfree Brood and Skinner Brothers. Just a warning, I may accidentally spoil some quests for FNV: There is a quest where there is a refugee camp for the NCR, and one of the guards asks you to look into the disappearance of a family, and points out the little girl with a teddy bear that stood out to him. When you delve deeper, you find the teddy bear, but also find out one of the depraved traffickers keeps it with him and is called “sick” for doing so, insinuating bad intentions, and the family + kids were sold to a pyromaniac rapist who cooks people alive. I even kept a save just so I could experiment killing the traffickers in the most painful ways possible… I didn’t even know a game could make it so satisfying to deliver retribution. Edit: KZbin was glitching so I refreshed to continue lol It also explores the consequences of the rapist, in which he assaulted a female NCR sniper who is lesbian, and she continuously makes crude remarks and sexual comments towards others, with her commanding officer convinced it’s a consequence of the assault; this is a real phenomenon , in which trauma causes hypersexuality. Something that stuck with me was the high speech check in which your character, while trying to convince her to seek treatment, says “it’s just another wound that requires treatment”. That’s a really incredible piece of writing, and it offers perspective on mental trauma; she wanted to brush it aside as no big deal, but similarly to being shot, you should seek help to work through the trauma In addition to the story of Boone, and the idea of mercy killing, and Vault 11 being an UNMARKED QUEST while being one of the best quests in the game … it just floored me. It makes so much sense that the writers were on the original fallout games (obsidian). The sad thing is that I feel like they don’t even do anything substantial. They just provide the bare minimum; multiple evils that aren’t cartoonishly evil, but instead actually evil. I genuinely don’t think an antagonist exists in Fallout 4; even Kellogg was somewhat humane and reasonable.

[@matthewryan2060]

It’s way to damn colourful and the NPC’s seem to be oblivious to the struggle of life in the wasteland. I also hate that goddamn cat picture house. It’s so stupid.

[@BickleyLTO]

🎯

[@blockofland-qo2oj]

@matthewryan2060 you do realise that house is a cat slaughter house as the paintings are painted by a guy who kills the cats then eats them and eats humans as well

[@itdobelikedattho8112]

​@@blockofland-qo2ojnah he doesn't

[@Iwor735]

Bethesda definitely doomed. They became a synonim for drawn out grindfests with bad plotlines and poor dialogue. There's no way out.

[@winstonyu9538]

That feel when a 11 minute youtube video has a better premise than a multimillion dollar company's game.

[@HSNPSA45]

I know exactly what you mean. That's exactly what I've been trying to explain to people for years. Fallout became mainstream with part 4, before that only people who really liked games like that played Fallout. But since Bethesda knew that if they appealed to the mainstream they would make more money, the direction was "adjusted". Take the Dunwich building from part 3, or my personal first moment when I enter the Super Duper Mart and it looks like SAW inside. The moral decisions like the atomic bomb in Megaton or helping the ghouls or not. New Vegas had other awesome moments. The atmosphere of Fallout back then was just completely different. I didn't even come close to having a similar moment in Fallout 4. It was all sacrificed for the mainstream audience...

[@hsn4519]

I miss the moral decisions so much. I recently played Fallout New Vegas again, the game looks really old now, but the world, the atmosphere, the story, the gameplay etc is so damn cool. Please Bethesda, bring us one last, real Fallout with the 5th part. 🙏🏼

[@ExplodingMarmalade]

Fallout 2 was an absolute masterpiece. In some ways, I wish it had been the final Fallout game because nothing else has come close to recreating the feeling I got from it. I think that translating it from isometric to first-person played a role. And the fact that Bethesda apparently didn't have the balls to include nut shots...

[@manofthehour5580]

I like the idea of fallout being more of a RPG. But at the end of the day, money talks and bullshit walks.

[@gunslinger1638]

Yeah i dont want there to be a new fallout it would never live up to what was in the older games

[@KushAidMan]

This is how the story should have been

[@mr.bright5712]

fallout 4 has a story ?🤔

[@bastardhyena7882]

I'd like to expand more on the ideas of the choices you can make. Let's take a look at the Gunners, high end mercenaires in the base game we're always hostile towards you no matter what. But let's say after meeting them on the way to Diamond City you find them fighting Minutemen at one of their so called settlements. Here we had clues about the Quincy Massacre, and helping either the Minuteman or Gunners you can get either side of the story, seeing as the Quincy Massacre was heavily involved with one of their own betraying the Minutemen with the Gunners. And this can come to a moral alignment in judging if the betrayal was justified or not. We know that the Minuteman were pretty much the center of power in the Commonwealth in helping settlers and fending off the various raider gangs. And since they were in power for so long, something within the minutmen had been rotting, corruption and abuse of power, and perhaps one of the many leaders in the Minutemen found that it has been hurting Commonwealth more than helping it. And to prevent this broken order in the Commonwealth in assuming full control with the way it has been working, a civil war began between the Minuteman, and hired the help of Gunners to rid this parasite on the Commonwealth, becoming independent but later in Anarchy without order. Either coming to terms with the betrayal and having a peace treaty between the Minutemen and Gunners and have the Minutemen start over, and build back up with their true goal in mind. Or wipe out the remaining Minutemen for a large sum of caps and maybe even a unique weapon or armor from the Gunner General by dealing a killing blow to all remaining Minuteman Settlements all the way up to the Castle where Preston, Sturges and Ronnie making a final stand against the Gunners.

[@LeaveNoTrashBehind]

You're a genius, this is such a great idea. I wish the video wasn't so short...

[@Blixtwixy]

Have we come full circle? I was saying since fo4 came out that it was designed for broad appeal instead of fans to expand the player base, which made it miss the mark and fall out of the series themes a bit.

[@BickleyLTO]

#same

[@alexalexander9732]

Excellent video for real. I have always thought fallout 4 felt different and you hit the nail on the head. It feels like a shallow puddle compared to all the other installments. I think you may be right about Bethesda gearing more towards a general audience, a more kid friendly environment. Even the "brutal" aspects of fallout 4 feel tampered with , like it has a PG filter over it. Strange. Great video PS. I'm joining your memberships, I have always enjoyed your content ever since you had 500 subs. Keep it up!

[@like2playy]

I blame preston

[@manofthehour5580]

Bethesda joined up with Microsoft will never see fallout return to its dark side.

[@BickleyLTO]

Glad to hear that Alex, I remember you from that 500 subs video lol 🍻 Here's to the next 500

[@EvanEman706]

Them changing there formula is the same as cod having different zombies series I never played any other below fallout 3 but it sound like up to 3 past that was less freedom to play but why not change the formula when you’ve made like 5 similar formula games

[@alexalexander9732]

@@EvanEman706 I'd agree but in this case changing the formula= less player freedom which is not good

[@ElectronCannon]

The disgust I felt when I first played FO4 after a masterpiece like NV or even FO3 can only be mirrored by the disgust I felt back when I first played Skyrim after Oblivion. The laziness, lack of direction, horrendous pandering to the lowest common denominator ruined an entire genre, you can't RP in an RPG no more.

[@anhluuviet5793]

The scenario you just proposed, is actually the start of a masterpiece, i was instantly drawn into the story.

[@UncleDon226]

I miss the days when you could create your own character, not fill the shoes of the protagonist. The latter worked great for Mass Effect or other linear games, but not for open world RPG. Starfield was the worst of all.

[@jakechapman254]

It’s in a sad state that the fallout IP having been squandered by Bethesda…. They made it into a kids game (and Tv show) for sure only hope is that obsidian gets another chance to create another masterpiece

[@tenpompanoe3466]

Have you seen obsidian now? They are just as shit if not worse

[@Nightdreamr]

@@tenpompanoe3466 Yeah the Outer Worlds felt like a Bethesda game

[@timetraveler5547]

Ah yes Obsidian. Because they've had such a great track record recently? Obsidian is a shell of its former self, most of the people who made New Vegas, let alone former interplay employees, are long gone. The only people who think Obsidian can save Fallout are the ones so hopped up on Nostalgia they still think Obsidian is just a bunch of Interplay/Black Isle employees.

[@atlas_of_prescottia]

If season 1 is any indication, the show is actually great. They may not be the best at RPGs, but they've always had a clear passion for storytelling. Since shows don't have players, they can tell the story & it's fine. This unfortunately doesn't translate to a game, as their story gets in the way of your character's.

[@anon9469]

8:00 Interestingly, the Minutemen have the potential to be a good fit for a brutalist Fallout waste. A faction that was committed to noble goals, only to collapse because of the greed of a few crucial members. The handful of remaining believers in the cause retreat, being picked off slowly by the Commonwealth's inherent danger, until the last few make a stand in a symbol of old-world "freedom". Their leader doesn't even truly want to win, because he feels he's failed as a protector and shouldn't be allowed to live - he just wants to go out in defiance of the inherent violence of the wastes. But because this is Bethesda writing we're talking about, all of that gets buried under ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP.

[@Bacontruffle]

I grew up with Fallout New Vegas and... man, there is absolutely no way that game could ever be made today, and I'm sad about that.

[@Manicka824]

Try Cyberpunk 2077, its similar and has its vibe

[@lndrstrl]

@@Manicka824nah man, i played both new vegas and 2077 w cyberpunk being my favorite game of all time, and ion think theyre that similar. cyberpunk is way more linear and has a more compelling, deep and fucking top tier story while in new vegas u can make a fuck ton of choices but the story doesn’t hit quite like 2077 (nor does the combat, man cyberpunks got the most satisfying combat imo), they both excel at a lot of things but i’m kinda curious now n wanna kno y ur sayin that they alike

[@jase276]

@@Manicka824 CP77 is NOTHING like FNV, don't even joke. CP77 ain't even an RPG

[@Manicka824]

@@jase276 Tell me, why isnt CP2077 RPG, i just wanna know your opinion

[@redblue5140]

​@@Manicka824 Cyberpunk is more like GTA it's a linear shooter game where you can free roam. You arent making any real decisions and everyones V is pretty much the same

[@hubertrozalski7070]

I always wanted to turn Nate into supermutant and bring Master's glory to the Commonwealth or be turned into a ghoul.

[@odyga8330]

8:17 I REMEMBER WATCHING THAT SHORT

[@BickleyLTO]

It was a fun short!

[@JackSmith-ed6nm]

I think FO4 doesn't feel like a true Fallout game for a different reason. In 2D Fallouts, you explored the post-war world, with focus on the stories and how people deal with the post-war world. You'd spend like 70% of time in settlements/cities surrounded by friendly NPCs, 20% in vaults or other pre-war bunkers/installations (and quite often they can be friendly too) and maybe 10% on the wastelands (usually during random encounters). In FO4 (and FO3 too), you mostly explore pre-war world, buildings that somehow weren't destroyed by nuclear bombs and are now used by mutants or raiders as camps, animals nests or overridden with ghouls, and 99% of times those building only exist to have a boss or trinket to find for a usually-radiant quest. I'd guess you spend 80% of times either in those pre-war now-enemy-camps or on the road to those places, while maybe 20% in proper NPC settlements. And wouldn't be surprised if those 20% is higher than actual number (especially when you won't count those "maybe-4-NPCs live/are here" locations as proper settlements...). And New Vegas, kinda merges them both - while it have more pre-war places to explore, they are often filled with non-combatant NPCs so you can learn more about post-war world, not just fight some raiders and read some pre-war stories. And I'd say interacting with those people, being nice or non-nice to them, is what Fallout is all about.

[@BickleyLTO]

Nice addition!

[@riffwithcliff]

Your editing skills are dope dude

[@BickleyLTO]

You're dope dude 🍻

[@FNHot]

Fallout 4 is the first fallout I stopped playing and never finished. It has no soul, it might as well be on rails. The minute they tried to FORCE a dog on me, that i could not kill, I was like NOPE.

[@viniciuscardote8367]

I've had an argument on Reddits Fallout a couple of days ago before I see this video about this exactly same topic! It was incredible when I've played starfield with no blood... The lack of choices.. Im, like you, remember of making these choices in fallout games, hell, even on fallout 3! And now, Bethesda it's just flowers and rainbows with guns that shoot love...

[@BickleyLTO]

It's strange to me that some people don't see it - I really thought it was obvious but I guess it takes a sense of observation (?) Albeit not much observation, but some

[@LecherousLizard]

Fallout will never be brutal, because Bethesda's Fallouts are a parody of the setting. And no, Fallout 4 wasn't the beginning of the "wipe appeal". It's been going on since Oblivion, as that already was a very noticeably mainstreamed experience compared to Morrowind. Fallout 3 was Bethesda's first attempt with a new franchise since like 1995, but ultimately it was, unironically, "Oblivion with guns". Then came Skyrim, again, much more mainstreamed game set in the most mainstream province in the game (well, after the retconned Cyrodiil). Next on the chopping block we got TES6 set in the middle east of the Elder Scrolls, that's canonically 80% of desert and 20% of savannah.

[@cydeadhunter456]

What an amazing video! First off I gotta thank mutant mods for making a community post about this vid it's the only reason I'm here. The concepts you explore are very cool it truly felt like you whent a step further than just talking about what's wrong with fallout 4. Looking at you other videos I see you have experience modding and with graphical work which really has my hopes up that you plan to attempt to implement your ideas to fallout 4. Even though other mods cover the boot up of the game pretty well your more seamless approach would be an amazing contribution! Unlike start me up redux for example.

[@BickleyLTO]

This isn't a bad idea 💡

[@america8706]

FO3 was my first Fallout, it blew my mind that you could explore this uncanny valley American wasteland open world in first person. Stepping out of the vault for the first time and being blinded by the sun before my molevision faded and Washington DC revealed itself to me was... it was awe inspiring. Exploring the burnt out town just below the vault where nothing remains of it's pre-war inhabitants set me on edge, then happening upon Megaton's turbine engine powered gate only to be met by a Wild West Sheriff, a nuke worshipping cult, my first ghoul, and somehow an Irish bartender. I couldn't have asked for a better introduction to the wildness of Fallout. It was such an experience and honestly I don't think Bethesda has the balls or the brains to make anything like FO3 ever again. Man, entering the ruins of the Metro DC for the first time after fighting the Raiders at the Super Duper Mart, running from the ghouls of the underground, and meeting my first Super Mutant as he tried to forcefully acquaint my head with his nail board. And then right after you're suddenly thrust into a COD WW2 feeling set piece pushing the Mutie trenches with the Brotherhood of Steel which climaxed with that big fucker throwing fuckin nukes at you!! Compare this to wading through the aforementioned 3 hour long exposition intro of Fallout 4. Thanks Codsworth. I love the FO universe so much, but I have so many conflicting feelings about it too. It really does feel like trying to hold together a marriage with an alcoholic bipolar chick refusing to take her meds. There's good memories and I know there is a future in there somewhere, but I don't have the energy to try to help her fix this fucking mess anymore.

[@guapempire1862]

umm can someone make this a mod? nobody said it yet but this guy is a genius the minutemen vs raider thing and every other thing was on point

[@phukkya-fielings]

I feel like both New Vegas and 3 were a great middle ground between dreadful and dark, and goofy survival adventures. Your decisions make a wide impact, but lets you be who you want to be. Sure, you always have the same backstory - Born in vault 108, or being shot in the head, but you can choose your morals and ideals after, and shape the wasteland in your heroic, or twisted image. You can be nobody whose somebody, and, in the words of Todd Howard, but this time in a more logical sense - "it just works" but this time, it works well to satisfy players, and extend fallout.

[@Mentallyheld]

...what are you even talking about? none of the events that you do in 3 even do anything worth while specially when you DESTROY MEGATON its just taken as a small footnote

[@phukkya-fielings]

@@Mentallyheld but what about poisoning the water supply, did you take that into consideration? you can see just how much it affects the world after

[@Mentallyheld]

@@phukkya-fielings that is the only action that really ever does matter in that game. with many other choices not really mattering by the end of it, with just 1 important action it dosent mean it outweights the others

[@hevenzgaming]

thanks for the ride! i've recently given up on fallout 76 after playing for 2812 hours and level 1232 simply because you said it best, fortnite. they're introducing a NEW CURRENCY in the upcoming new season and i'm just over it. great vid, truly.

[@BickleyLTO]

Wow man you really enjoyed the game at least - I couldn't quite get into it but I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes the epitome of everything we hate about modern cash cows

[@codysawyer6814]

Simple formula for a perfect Fallout: Just add, - No locked story beginnings, instead have your character start from a ‘day in the life of’ {your created character} eg: farmer, courier, enclave. - main story is a power struggle caused by a sudden unexpected event, as you rise from a nobody you defeat all the people trying to rise to power. - animate all interactions, this will add a deeper level of immersion and add to how constructive a overall play session feels, you feel every moment and aren’t consumed by loading screens. - double down on base building, community building, character interactions and their reasons for personality traits.

[@Brandonhayhew]

Fallout 4 should have had Karma and allow your decisions to rule you.

[@WoolleyVaughn]

Your evaluation is spot on. As a former diehard fan of the franchise, I wondered why Fallout 4 just had no bite in comparison, and you’ve revealed the core differentiator. Any faction you side with has some underlying narrative of “we’re the real good guys” but none of them are just blatantly evil. Seeing the effects of real evil in the old games actually forced me to think about it and I would argue made me a better person than being shoved into a foregone conclusion.

[@ActionMTF]

Speaking from my hart! Great video and informative for thoose who do not know earlyer games yet. FO4 is child play and less rpg like even FO3. Vibes nearly same but too much changes. Even Tactics was better and harder by managing all squad members skills. It was a step forward after fo2, but fo3 broke the line and fo4 changed too much.

[@LinusScrubTips]

3/NV are better RPGs, 4 is a better game. I’d really prefer 3/NVs rpg elements, and I hope 5 is more RPG focused and less “story” focused. I want to make the story. I didn’t finish 4 because I didn’t like any of the endings. I didn’t care for any of the factions and didn’t have to choice to avoid siding.

[@Vinnie0801]

Fallout 4 lacked the darkness of 3 and NV, and even though the realism, highly modifiable guns/protagonist, build mode is cool, a darker ambiance/side missions/main missions/encounters would've made this game a gem.

[@lewislemay3728]

I'd love to see a truly gritty fallout made now. I wanna be a vault dweller who learns of the violent and unforgiving nature of the wasteland and turns to a life of violence and son to survive and thrive. Going from a happy-go-lucky dumbass to a drug peddling, murdering kingpin

[@mikkelnyhuus9173]

And that’s why the Courier is the closest to the Interplay classics we’ve ever been when it comes to Bethesda Fallouts. A blank slate who we don’t minor the mindset of besides delivering packages reliably.

[@mikkelnyhuus9173]

And yes, technically Obsidian made Fo:NW but Bethesda is publisher and they lord over Fo:NW while somehow not giving it enough love, like an adopted child with a lot of ability yet scorned compared to the biological children.

[@Vidhur]

My response to the intro: "So, you mean if Fallout 4 was overseen by the secondary writer Will Shen instead or altogether written by the guys from CDPR that did Cyberpunk 2077... You know, instead of discount-bin novelist Emil Pagliarulo who thinks that mystery boxes are valid plotmovers." 🤮

[@pyroboss1013]

I dont think walking up to the raider and being asked is a "great" choice, when you pick a path its later on in the game, having it be too divergent at the start means that there's too much to work on and paths to take and they cant properly focus on one. A player looks at the world, sees the factions, and chooses. Being asked by a dude with a gun in your face deciding half the game plot with a single dialogue box meanwhile the player barely knows the controls is just bad game design. The first enemies you encounter are obviously the bad guys so the player can walk in guns blazing and aware, it would suck for a new player to walk in, say no, and get shot because everyone suddenly turns hostile at once without that slow burn of getting deeper and deeper into the town.

[@PaulKMF1]

To avoid that way too long intro I save right before going into the elevator. Before you get to modify your character for the last time.

[@ransomdekafenya2584]

I think this is a perfect summary of why New Vegas appealed to so many of us. It was a good blend of the 3rd person with the "choose your own adventure" glaze we all know and love. And you could do some absolutely twisted shit in that game, and still see the ending. Was the canon "ending" a bit of a 2 way split? Yes. But it's only to give a historical pretext of the outcome of a major conflict in that region at the time. Would I have liked to have seen things like you being able to negotiate with Caesar as the leader of the Powder Gangers, for example? Yes. That would have been awesome. But at the same time, it's nothing the mod community couldn't do. I'm happy with the product that I got right out of the box, and like all Bethesda games...the mod community only made it better.

[@TJssWay]

You know what’s so interesting to me? You “a regular guy who just plays games” can come up with these ideas. But these guys who go to school for all this shit and blah blah can’t seem to figure it out. Blows my mind.

[@Vantud391]

Someone need to mod that cannibal vault opening, sound dope.😊

[@OfficialTormentProductions]

Hi guys, it's me, John Fallout, and i need 2000 caps to get into the new vegas strip so i can take over the mojave desert. War doesn't change.

[@dgreen6525]

Right on. It needs to embrace the anti-hero as the character you play. Make it a dark tale.

[@dgreen6525]

I'm a Gen X gamer. I remember how good Fallout 1 was, it's dark aesthetic compelled the player to push on even as everything effing thing wanted to eat your face... or wear it as a prize.

[@semajniomet981]

I remember Fallout 1. Installed off of an Interplay 15th Anniversary CD, and played it when I was 8 on my dad's old (yet still functional to this day) Windows 95. I tried to be a hero, and always tried to be the good guy. I tended to unalive more often than not during combat encounters. The game gave me nightmares for a long time. Never actually beat it. Tried it again (relatively) recently, and decided to try speedrunner strats and whatever bugs I could take advantage of to win. It took me a few days, but I was finally able to finish it. Didn't get the best ending though.

[@Khrodeas]

Fallout is caricature of itself since bethesda took over.

[@Jam-on_toast]

This video made me not like fallout 4 so I am sad

[@BickleyLTO]

😂 nah man it's a fun game still

[@intotheaether9022]

Congratulations on hitting the algorithm just right. Get ready, this was well enough done that I think it's about to blow up. You're about to have an opportunity to come your way that few get, make the most of it and best of luck to you! Can't wait to see what you produce in the future.

[@romanNood1es]

Ok that was an epic backstory. I love the personal back stories, but it feels uncomfortable roleplaying as an insane bad guy because I don’t feel the main character would do that. I rather have the character to be a blank slate like the Courier.

[@lagpostg.r.y9955]

The only brutal thing about fallout 1 is the fact there is NO autosaves

[@odyga8330]

9:20 It sounds like another Monday😀

[@BickleyLTO]

😂

[@randallporter1404]

The FO4 world never made sense. What has been happening in the past 200 yrs? Why are NPCs sleeping in beds with skeletons? How are all those towns folk getting enough caps to buy a bottle of water, daily? Hell, even raiders never looted bodies, they only killed for #Reasons. Oh and I never once cared about my supposed son, especially the way Bethesda handled the whole situation.

[@Ronin777z]

This video needs to be seen by as many people as possible, this guy captured the exact feelings of every fallout fan

[@Xerdar36]

I kinda like your version of Fallout.. this is more authentic to the original Fallout.

[@simplyhoodie]

This video definitely shows one of my biggest problems with Bethesda's direction of the franchise. These games aren't Fallout anymore. They're amusements parks with a Fallout paintjob. You captured it perfectly. It's like they're too afraid to give the edgy franchise any amount of edge.

[@bdleo300]

5 seconds of Fallout2 intro is more brutal than entire FO4 (I mean that moment when people/family from vault meet Enclave soldiers)

[@daddyFingers-h4e]

Great Job My Friend, Love the effort you are putting into your videos definitely subbing 👍

[@alexkukhtevych3056]

In F4 oversimplification is everywhere, just to be sure that player can gone through this journey with minimal brain effort.

[@franzsanders9573]

Maybe it's just b/c of my depression or something like that, but tbh I actually prefer Fallout 4 being a lot "lighter" and more optimistic than its predecessors. Fallout for me has always been more about finding optimism and hope, celebrating the love that makes life worth living even when everything else sucks balls. And I feel that 4 really captures that, as it has plenty of darkness to it that makes it so the more hopeful themes feel earned and appropriate. No offense intended, but as I've gotten older, I've just looked back on a lot of the darker elements in previous games (like the sex slavery in 3 & NV or child murder in 1 & 2) and it can't help but just seem kinda... shallow, imo. A story doesn't need to be bloody and brutal for its story to be dark - it just needs to have dark elements to it. Anatomy is one of the scariest and darkest games in the history of ever imo (along w/ being a fantastic game that everyone should play, seriously, it's great), and I can't remember a single drop of blood in it. I also don't think it's fair to say that lacking a certain brutality means Fallout 4 isn't a "true" Fallout game, as that seems really gatekeeper-y imo and misses how so many people come into this franchise for different reasons. To each their own, of course, and I'm sorry if this comes across as me raining on your parade or whatever. Have a pleasant afternoon!

[@BickleyLTO]

Nah man you're good, glad you gave your opinion on the matter! We all love fallout and that's the most important thing

[@legoguy228]

I absolutely agree, especially about the dark parts being shallow. It doesn't really explore the emotions and trauma surrounding it like it should.

[@rckrsps]

for me fallout 4 did its best on the survival aspect of the genre. Building settlements and helping other survivors makes the game more alive. Fallout 4 is perfect gameplay wise I just wished that they focused more on the storytelling the franchise is known for.

[@Jason_Lee93]

Fallout was brutal. Then Bethesda stole it from Interplay and ruined it by thinking fallout was about 50s americana when its supposed to be about society rebuilding after the war.

[@hellxapo5740]

Want Fallout to be absolutely life-threatening brutal?? Spawn another Preston Garvey.

[@BickleyLTO]

You need to add a trigger warning to this comment ⚠️

[@marcromain64]

Thanks, but we already have a Preston Garvey impersonator in-game. And that's already two Prestons more than necessary.

[@TheMalmut]

Bethesda "Gremlins 2'd" the Fallout franchise. (see Key & Peele skit)

[@emrik99]

So fallout 4 was my introduction to fallout. I loved it like no other before or since. That said your idea would have been infinitely better.

[@cosmicbricks3339]

Hahaha the vsauce music 😂 Love this vid mate you’ve changed my perception on fallout 4 ❤

[@BickleyLTO]

I knew at least a few people would get the reference!

[@PalleRasmussen]

Bethesda cares about investors, investors care about appearances. Larian cares about gamers. Go watch Swen's speech at the Game Developer Awards two days ago.

[@yourhappy5343]

This should be viral and needs Tod to see

[@BickleyLTO]

If Todd watched this my life would be complete

[@Cah1r096]

someone needs to make a mod that changes the beginning to be brutal like this

[@Nicolas-jo5bw]

This is exactly the biggest issue with Fallout 4

[@tomigun5180]

I had to work on Fallout 4 (meaning: installing mods) for MONTHS now, to make it playable. So, it's as far from being great, as possible. A big thank you to all the modders who did the job Bethesda should have done!!!