What If Austria Won the Austro-Prussian War?

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@user-xi1lj3bs5g
@user-xi1lj3bs5g Ай бұрын
Alt-History involving Austria is uncommon so this is really interesting. Great video as always.
@shinsenshogun900
@shinsenshogun900 Ай бұрын
A fair insight, given what is in the surface of the iceberg of alternate worlds
@goldensword777
@goldensword777 Ай бұрын
There's a hoi4 mod called der bruderkrieg. It's about if Austria won the Austro-Prussian war
@madpig7120
@madpig7120 Ай бұрын
Or it's just a "if austria hungary survived"
@paulpriglinger4154
@paulpriglinger4154 Ай бұрын
Not really, the difference is that austria won against prussia, but suffered a defeat in a greater war, altough the defeat was more political and economicly bad then territorialy. Meaning austria lost no land.​@@madpig7120
@zombieslayer1468
@zombieslayer1468 Ай бұрын
that is such a good mod@@goldensword777
@justinian-the-great
@justinian-the-great Ай бұрын
Honestly, I think you should do a video on what if Prussian king did accept to become the German emperor in 1848, since that would have huge implications on everything after that. Like would new Germany intervene in Crimean war? Would they allow Italian unification? Would Franco-Prussian war happen earlier? Would this early Germany even intervene in 1848/49 revolutions in Austria? That would be one interesting timeline to explore.
@Emperor-ofRome
@Emperor-ofRome Ай бұрын
That a great scenario ❤❤
@BelugaTheHutt
@BelugaTheHutt Ай бұрын
Alt-hists involving an 1848 German unification are fascinating, but they might be tricky to engineer in the most straightforward of fashions. I'm pretty sure that accepting the crown would've triggered war - though granted, only Russia and Denmark were truly in a position to wage war with Prussia at the time, and only Russia could've done so alone. Important to keep in mind that within a year or so, Austria returned to capability to wage offensive war, and France is in a similar state. That really doesn't give Prussia and the rest of the 1848 German Empire much time to prepare. It's not just Frederick William IV's disdain for accepting a crown he did not believe was the Frankfurt Assembly's crown to give. It's also just the raw power politics situation in Europe at the time. Most of the plausibility I could envision would involve his son, the OTL eventual Kaiser William 1st to accept the crown as German emperor and abdicate his role as crown prince of Prussia in order to mollify surrounding nations. They could work closely hand-in-hand in practice, but officially, they'd remain separate states. It could be de facto unification, but not de jure unification. Further down the line, you could see a personal union being cemented by a dynastic marriage. The closest I can imagine a "natural" unification by non-military means for an 1848 German Empire uniting de jure with Prussia would be Frederick III being allowed to inherit both his grandfather's crown in 1861, and his father's crown in 1888. But would Frederick III even be the liberal reformer that modern historians love him for in this timeline? A huge part of his intellectual and philosophical development came from his time spent in the university town of Bonn, and his father softened on the notions of liberalism while spending time in England after having fled Berlin in 1848 - he had to flee Berlin because the citizens wanted him dead, for his role in commanding Prussian troops to fire grapeshot from cannons into the crowds of protestors/rioters/revolutionaries. So much of this particular alt-hist depends on the personalities of 3 specific royals of the Prussian dynasty, and 2 of those personalities were shaped greatly by the 1848 revolution themselves. In response to your question about the Crimean War, it's important to keep in mind that the OTL reasons for Austria and Prussia not intervening still apply. Russia had the capacity to logistically support massive armies in Eastern Europe, whereas their ability to fight in Crimea were limited. The interventionary stage of the Crimean War was effectively a limited war, because each side was operating what functioned as essentially expeditionary forces in a region far from their natural power centers and easy logistical trains. If Prussia and Austria had joined the war OTL or the German Empire (1848) had joined the war in this timeline, then they would've been the parties doing the majority of the fighting and dying. Russia could very well win the war in Eastern Europe, at the same time as simultaneously losing the war in the Black Sea. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a German power of Central Europe to join the Crimean War on the side of the British and French, unless Russia was already in a state of financial exhaustion, and they were just being opportunistic in seizing lands close to the border when Russia no longer had the finances to fund a large-scale war in Eastern Europe.
@antorseax9492
@antorseax9492 Ай бұрын
The only way I can think of that happening is if Fredrik III ascended far earlier than OTL, and I'm not sure when he gained his more liberal views.
@goldensword777
@goldensword777 Ай бұрын
I would like a video on this
@moonshinei
@moonshinei Ай бұрын
There was already a video made on this
@Milk_enjoyer_
@Milk_enjoyer_ Ай бұрын
Austrians in the past: Austrians today: „we speak Austrian“
@barsukascool
@barsukascool Ай бұрын
After WW2 Austrians were basically brainwashed to not be German anymore.
@PedroCosta-po5nu
@PedroCosta-po5nu Ай бұрын
Austrians in the future: we speak autism
@chrisbeer5685
@chrisbeer5685 Ай бұрын
We have a different name for Button mushrooms though😢
@joelott
@joelott Ай бұрын
@@PedroCosta-po5nu we dont speak hungarian doe
@insertnamehere9718
@insertnamehere9718 Ай бұрын
Austrians in the future: *something incomprehensible in Swiss*
@DakuHonoo
@DakuHonoo Ай бұрын
wait wait wait, i was in a military museum in Prague last weekend and there was a plaque near prussian and austrian rifles of the era displayed, claiming austria lost on tactics, because it was technically better armed, the rifles were better in all but one aspect - breach loading - faster reload speeds of the prussian rifles that were innaccurate, unreliable and less powerful - alas Austria engaged in close combat tactics despite having their advantage at range and disadvantage close up.
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 Ай бұрын
Austria also had superior artillery, but in all aspects. Prussia still had smooth bore mussle loading artillery. Krupp breech loaders came later. While austria had superior rifles breech loaders. In every battle the Austrians had decisive long range firepower advantage and only lost battles when they assaulted prussian infantry in rough terrain.
@fireandblood8142
@fireandblood8142 Ай бұрын
Exactly, this is what I tried to explain in my comment, I am disappointed by PH on this video, he clearly did no research on the conduct of the war to assert that the Austrian army was doomed to failure
@michaelthomas5433
@michaelthomas5433 Ай бұрын
Here is an example of Austrian tactics. As said here Austria had already agreed to give up Venice before the war even started. However rather than try to buy Italian neutrality by simply giving it to them or at least not sending armies to defend the territory and using them against Prussia, Austria decided to keep a large bulk of their army there and fight over it for "honour's sake". I mean.. they DID beat the Italians, of course they still had to give up the land so..
@alexzero3736
@alexzero3736 Ай бұрын
Yes, you're correct. There are big video about this war on Real Time history channel, including comparison of armaments.
@evanneal4936
@evanneal4936 Ай бұрын
The Prussian rifles weren't inferior, only before the war, then after it started they developed into the first modern bolt action rifles almost immediately. The Prussians had breech loaders and could shoot farther, faster and more accurately than the Austrians which is why they won EVERY major battle. The place you saw was biased because it was their country once. But it's fake news. Even if you are right, that means the Prussians were so well trained that even with worse weapons they were able to be more accurate than the Austrians. But they were only less accurate because of smoke, if you could handle the smoke discharged by the breech you could aim the gun better than what the Austrians had. For example let's say the Austrians fired 8 shots out of 10 accurately, the Prussians were still doing 7 or 7.5 out of ten, but also getting 60 rounds a minute to Austrias 10 to 15 rounds a minute. The faster fire rate, better range and damage was well worth the very slight accuracy reduction. Otherwise why did we switch to the Prussian bolt actions later on instead of staying with the Austrian rifle muskets? Because the world saw and agreed that the breech loaded guns, despite being SLIGHTLY less accurate were better in every other way. Accuracy can be improved by training anyway. The Prussians were so much better trained that they could be more accurate than the Austrians even with less accurate guns.
@benshiotsu8553
@benshiotsu8553 Ай бұрын
It's overstated how bad austria really was. Most ethnicities were loyal and austrian litteracy rates amoung the minority groups were some of the best in europe. Only when they were litteraly starving did they actually break away.
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
lol “literally starving” 💀💀💀
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
Austria was bad from 1867-1914 because Hungary kept vetoing EVERYTHING “Want to go to war with Prussia during Franco-Prussian war” “vetoed by Hungary” “wanna do some economic reform?” Nah vetoed by Hungary
@theemperor-wh40k18
@theemperor-wh40k18 Ай бұрын
Hungary vetoing everything seems to be a recurring theme...
@TheAustrianAnimations87
@TheAustrianAnimations87 Ай бұрын
@@AdvancedGamer- It's true though. Austria-Hungary from 1867 to 1914 never had any violent revolutions unlike Russia and the Ottoman Empire. It also had far better literacy rates than the other two empires. The main reason why Austria-Hungary collapsed was because of food shortages. Farmers were conscripted, the Galician food production was stopped and the British naval blockade caused this. So Austria-Hungary was unable to import food from other countries and Germany itself was short on food. This caused protests everywhere in Austria-Hungary and also rapidly increased the desertion rates. "Austria was bad from 1867-1914 because Hungary kept vetoing EVERYTHING" Hungary opposing to help France was actually a good thing. Austria was still recovering from its defeat and Prussia made an agreement with Russia to get Galicia if Austria helped France. And about economic reforms, keep in mind that Hungary was the place where electrical industry was important (despite being a huge breadbasket). Austria-Hungary prior WW1 was the 3rd largest oil producer worldwide, had the 2nd largest European railway system (surpassing France and Britain, not counting Russia), had the 4th largest machine-building industry in the world and was the world's 3rd largest manufacturer and exporter of electric home appliances, electric industrial appliances, and power generation apparatus for power plants. A huge problem though was Hungary opposing more military spending for the inevitable Great War. It was one of the mainr easons why Austria-Hungary performed so poorly during WW1.
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
@@TheAustrianAnimations87 violent revolutions? I was boutta say Russia only had 1905 revolution lol since 1917 revolution was after 1914
@plasmakitten4261
@plasmakitten4261 Ай бұрын
I do think it's important to remember that as long as Prussia holds Silesia, which is the most powerful industrial province in east-central Europe, they will have an advantage in wars like this. A more interesting way to achieve this kind of scenario could be to invert either the War of Austrian Succession or the Seven Years' War, as that would actually change the balance of power in Germany much more.
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
I mean if France joined the Austrians then well Prussia might have been screwed tbf
@colincrew1857
@colincrew1857 Ай бұрын
Vic3 brainrot
@hanneswiggenhorn2023
@hanneswiggenhorn2023 9 күн бұрын
I kinda would disagree, because of how fast this war was. It lasted barely over a month, so weapons produced at the start of the war probably never saw the frontline
@JoboGamezzz
@JoboGamezzz Ай бұрын
Maybe napoleon the third and Austria could make a deal where France gets the West Bank of the rhine in return for support in Austrian expansion in the Balkans and a defensive alliance Napoleon had already supported the Habsburgs by putting a Habsburg in control of the 2nd Mexican empire
@solis1171
@solis1171 Ай бұрын
They also expected the Austrians to win the brothers war
@Chrysobubulle
@Chrysobubulle Ай бұрын
The French would never allow Prussia to be at their doorstep if they had managed to defeat it in a war. Im not sure France would try to absorb these territories, but they could simply make them small and inoffensive principalities again. To make sure they don’t have a frontier with a strong ennemy
@Kaiser_Wilhelm_IV.
@Kaiser_Wilhelm_IV. Ай бұрын
I don't think one can state that France had "supported" Austria by letting a Habsburg rule over Mexiko as a French puppet. The Austrians were not very fond of the idea to begin with.
@moonshinei
@moonshinei Ай бұрын
Back off Prussian The South will rise again
@ameerabualeinein
@ameerabualeinein Ай бұрын
You could’ve worded that better
@amongdrip8073
@amongdrip8073 Ай бұрын
​@@ameerabualeinein Nah he's good, keep your American sensibilities to yourself.
@Dest.
@Dest. Ай бұрын
@@ameerabualeineinhe meant what he said…but what’s this about Prussia?
@cryopex9976
@cryopex9976 Ай бұрын
⁠@@amongdrip8073the ‘Merican Civil War was one of the most influental wars of the 19th century, its not an “American Sensibility”
@amongdrip8073
@amongdrip8073 Ай бұрын
@@cryopex9976 Don't Care, dogging someone for a statement that vaguely offends you in a completely arbitrary way is childish and pathetic.
@user-pt1ml1qy1x
@user-pt1ml1qy1x Ай бұрын
What if Russia had supported the Hungarian uprising of 1848? Could this have led to the complete unification of the Germans by the middle of the 19th century by Prussia and the domination of Russia in the Balkans?
@Chuzhoy_Hishnik
@Chuzhoy_Hishnik Ай бұрын
Yes yes yes! I want to see that scenario!
@tarzon1776
@tarzon1776 Ай бұрын
Interesting video but a couple counterpoints: -If Austria really wanted to, they could've easily modernized their military to be on equal footing with Prussia. To my understanding, they just simply didn't care about being a military power in OTL. -An Austrian-led German Empire headquartered in Vienna could still easily form, all Austria has to do is release the Minority Regions as Vassal States under a Hapsburg. (Save for perhaps Slovenia and Czechia, which the Germans, Slovenes, and Czechs would all probably tolerate.)
@randomguy-tg7ok
@randomguy-tg7ok Ай бұрын
Vicky 2 or Vicky 3?
@erto2657
@erto2657 Ай бұрын
Vic2 reference
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
Bro is in VIC 2
@gangwu4541
@gangwu4541 Ай бұрын
I did it in vc
@hanneswiggenhorn2023
@hanneswiggenhorn2023 9 күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure they could have formed a united Germany, but I feel like historically speaking this wouldn't really be the style of the Habsburgs, like I'm pretty sure they rather build up complicated dynasties to diplomatically bind countries to them than actually annex them like Prussia did. If I remember correctly they did always differentiated between different dynasty possessions quite well
@floor737
@floor737 Ай бұрын
What if Norway Won the Austro-Prussian War? (Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)
@anders1026
@anders1026 Ай бұрын
Yes
@a1d4nnn
@a1d4nnn Ай бұрын
But everything has already gone perfect for Norway
@user-xn7vs4tp9s
@user-xn7vs4tp9s Ай бұрын
Through most of their history it at least medieval they were under a personal Union not the best for them.
@Caspaniar
@Caspaniar Ай бұрын
I honestly feel like a what if everything went perfect for Sweden/ Denmark would be more interesting as Norway was gone for a lot of that time and doing that would be unpredictable
@Caspaniar
@Caspaniar Ай бұрын
Denmark Norway, Kalmar Union and Sweden norway
@Artporductions
@Artporductions Ай бұрын
Great video I’ve been waiting for this one
@Patman0074
@Patman0074 Ай бұрын
Amazing video
@Very_Silly_Individual
@Very_Silly_Individual Ай бұрын
Your videos are really awesome.
@Kripiiiiiiii
@Kripiiiiiiii Ай бұрын
BEST VIDEO ON YOUR CHANNEL!! 💪💪💪💪
@Okos-anim
@Okos-anim Ай бұрын
Today we learned about "Austro-Prussian War" in school during history lesson, the same day you released the video. Such an intresting coinsidence
@liladoodle
@liladoodle Ай бұрын
There's a HOI IV mod. called "Der Bruderkrieg" which is a similar setting. Though it starts in 1936 and Prussia is ruled by a Syndicalist leaning Hermann Goreing.
@beyondborderfilms4352
@beyondborderfilms4352 Ай бұрын
I love this channel 😻
@NovikNikolovic
@NovikNikolovic Ай бұрын
Now you should do "What if France won the Franco-Prussian War?"
@CatarigMaTt
@CatarigMaTt Ай бұрын
Videntis did a video about it.
@NovikNikolovic
@NovikNikolovic Ай бұрын
@@CatarigMaTt I don't like Videntis much, I like Possible History's content more
@alexzero3736
@alexzero3736 Ай бұрын
​@@NovikNikolovicpossible history videos is like "any shit can happen".
@shiningstarcaper
@shiningstarcaper Ай бұрын
@@alexzero3736 that's the fun part
@TokitoZinn
@TokitoZinn 26 күн бұрын
France likely Take Wallonia and rhine and later we have WW1 With North germany,balkans,italy and russiaX France,ottomans and austria
@gibusgaming5866
@gibusgaming5866 Ай бұрын
Neat stuff
@loldiamond1017
@loldiamond1017 Ай бұрын
Nice!
@husen5033
@husen5033 Ай бұрын
If you read this your are not number one and not the first here.
@jokekopter2509
@jokekopter2509 Ай бұрын
But I am first here to comment to your comment
@just_a-nice-guy438
@just_a-nice-guy438 Ай бұрын
Dangit.
@gregoryturk1275
@gregoryturk1275 Ай бұрын
Nooooo :(((
@donnydoeschildren3517
@donnydoeschildren3517 Ай бұрын
Noted
@Yeoldekingkay
@Yeoldekingkay Ай бұрын
Nobody asked
@will-i-am5600
@will-i-am5600 Ай бұрын
Lovely video
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
Wait what
@mainorc1666
@mainorc1666 Ай бұрын
Great video! I love such different timelines What about a "What if the Ottomans westernized/were competent?"? (They essentially rush Tanzimat, quit isolation, actively intervene in the european politics and, most importantly, actually care on getting european allies, like the Prussian or French)
@WashyTheChillest
@WashyTheChillest Ай бұрын
Yup, that’s a great idea, considering that the ottomans could’ve easily done that (and that Possible History humiliated them way too much in his videos )
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@WashyTheChillestwhat? He’s saying the truth the ottomans were too weak by 1800s honestly
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
@@WashyTheChillestanyways ottomans could have but not “easily” done that also they couldn’t have expanded let’s be real no power in Europe would allow them to touch Vienna Edit: I meant take haha
@ryannathaniel9296
@ryannathaniel9296 Ай бұрын
​@@AdvancedGamer-Considering that they have to let one of their wealthiest regions, Egypt became practically independent with them couldn't really do much about it, says a lot about their power
@TheAustrianAnimations87
@TheAustrianAnimations87 Ай бұрын
@@ryannathaniel9296 The Ottomans got beaten up by their own puppet state Egypt and needed to be bailed out by the European powers TWICE. This showed how weak the Ottoman Empire really was.
@TherealMatthias1998
@TherealMatthias1998 Ай бұрын
What if the Habsburgs integrated the Low Countries and Switzerland What if Bavaria united ALL of Germany (since I want a united Germany where Austrian and Prussian lands are included) Edit: I want the second one for a what if, I don’t care much for it politically
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
Not possible for “what if Bavaria” one but the first one was possible probably
@TherealMatthias1998
@TherealMatthias1998 Ай бұрын
@@AdvancedGamer- it is certainly incredibly unlikely. It would require Napoleon’s France to never truly form, Bavaria to likely gain lots of power from then, and then to have them turn on Napoleon and join the coalition at the right time Edit: by incredibly unlikely I mean as unlikely as us discovering gunpowder by someone trynna create a philosopher’s stone
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
@@TherealMatthias1998 nah I don’t even know if it’s possible 💀💀💀 It’s like saying what if Spain united Germany 💀💀
@TroyDaboi2005
@TroyDaboi2005 Ай бұрын
​@@AdvancedGamer- there was the spanish Netherlands, so they could do it 🤷🏻‍♂️
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
@@TroyDaboi2005 I mean techincally Edit: less possible than Bavaria uniting Germany togigh 💀💀💀
@alphabetaomega265
@alphabetaomega265 Ай бұрын
Can you make a poll and video about how we would structure a constitution? Like the peace treaty borders videos, but instead of voting for borders we vote for constitutions. Like Question 1: Are the Head of State and Head of Government the same person? Question 2: Is the Head of Government elected by the Legislature, the People, appointed… Question 3: Is it a federation, confederation or centralised state etc? Etc. You could choose a real country at a specific moment in time and make it specific to that. Such as USA 1776, France 1793, West Germany 1949, France 1958, Afghanistan 2001 etc. Thanks
@bici_oh
@bici_oh Ай бұрын
This video is beautiful
@TheRavenLord1
@TheRavenLord1 Ай бұрын
This is an interesting alternate path for the Austro-Prussian war. Especially with this nation I keep hearing in the video called ‘Belgium’ existing.
@rorythecomrade4461
@rorythecomrade4461 Ай бұрын
You should make a video on if Denmark won the 2nd Schleswig War. Unlikely scenario I know, but it'd be very interesting and I imagine Prussia losing such a humiliating defeat would actually have far more of an impact than one might think.
@enterchannelname3213
@enterchannelname3213 Ай бұрын
Marking my footprint here rn while im early.
@Fabio-Jose-DragonKing
@Fabio-Jose-DragonKing Ай бұрын
(Daniel here) YES! One of My favorite scenarios! Thanks! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@PHANTOM-zs6rd
@PHANTOM-zs6rd Ай бұрын
best alt history channel
@akuljbaba5914
@akuljbaba5914 Ай бұрын
Dope
@lehmspielt
@lehmspielt Ай бұрын
I highly doubt Austria would look for colonies in Africa. The emperor had no interest in colonies and most politicians in Austria Hungary believed it would be impossible to defend any colony, since their navy was terrible and they were locked in the Mediterranean.
@CatarigMaTt
@CatarigMaTt Ай бұрын
True
@Rofflestomper
@Rofflestomper Ай бұрын
Please be quiet.
@CatarigMaTt
@CatarigMaTt Ай бұрын
@@Rofflestomper ?
@Rofflestomper
@Rofflestomper Ай бұрын
@@CatarigMaTt he’s lying or being stupid and saying the opposite of what the video said. The video made by an actual historian.
@Rofflestomper
@Rofflestomper Ай бұрын
@@CatarigMaTt I also suggest someone who’s stupid enough to only reply “???” Should also be quiet.
@prockpj
@prockpj Ай бұрын
If Austria joined the ottomans at 13:05? My God what a terrifying front line would that be
@murtack4573
@murtack4573 Ай бұрын
Could you do a Danish video around the time 1801or1807/ napoleon era
@levelairplane768playzroblo8
@levelairplane768playzroblo8 Ай бұрын
Great scenario:)
@communistvenom9284
@communistvenom9284 Ай бұрын
You should make a "what if everything went perfect for macedonia video"
@LH44-LM10
@LH44-LM10 Ай бұрын
idea for a video: What if the April uprising of the Bulgarians was successful?
@akdele5
@akdele5 Ай бұрын
Great video, have you thought about making a scenario where Peter III doesn't come to power/doesn't fanboy over Prussia and wins the war, taking modern Kaliningrad?
@Theoneston1
@Theoneston1 Ай бұрын
Cool
@patrickuotinen
@patrickuotinen Ай бұрын
Perhaps there was a way, if Austria wouldn't have joined Prussia in the Second Schleswig War in 1864, but instead attacked it during that war, Austria could have retained its position as the leading power in Germany. But probably Austria didn't expect that Prussia would turn against it only two years later.
@maxtmmboi
@maxtmmboi Ай бұрын
I think you should make a video about what if everything went perfect for egypt
@gintautassickus6390
@gintautassickus6390 Ай бұрын
Interesting...
@insertnamehere9718
@insertnamehere9718 Ай бұрын
Hey PH (if u see this) I love your accent- where’s it from?
@Eradikateu
@Eradikateu Ай бұрын
I believe he’s dutch
@nicolacontarini6535
@nicolacontarini6535 Ай бұрын
Please do a video "what if everything went perfect for Italy"
@00martoneniris86
@00martoneniris86 Ай бұрын
what if everything went perfectly for Albania What if Portugal joined the central powers?
@barsukascool
@barsukascool Ай бұрын
yooo my guy is right on time
@nothingistguy
@nothingistguy Ай бұрын
video suggestion What if harold defeated william in hastings?
@user-ue1ns3dn7l
@user-ue1ns3dn7l Ай бұрын
Love your scenario! I always considered it a great tragedy that Prussia was the one to unite Germany as their dominant militarism had many unfortunate consequences. I do, however have one slight disagreement with your assessment You described the military situation as hopeless for the Austrians. While it’s certainly true that factors like the Dreyse Needle gun or the greater authority of the Prussian general staff as well as an overall advantage in quality tipped the scales in Prussia’s favour, there were still some opportunities the greatly weaken them. -The fact that the planned linkup between Hanoverian and Bavarian forces never occurred, which would haven given them an advantage of about 5:3 over the western army of Prussia, thus allowing them to threaten supply lines of the main prussian forces in Silesia/Bohemia, was mainly down to Bavarian inaction and the lack of faith the Hanoverian King and leadership had in their position. This of course led to the whole Langensalza debacle. -The material advantage has not entirely on Prussias side. Austrian artillery was far superior, being rifled. Their cavalry has also been described as better, as evidenced by them covering the retreat at königgrätz and their heroic (although deadly) charge at the second battle of custozza. -Königgrätz itself was going well for the austrians roughly until midday. The battle was mostly lost due to insubordination and the useless skirmishs the austrians fought prior. It also showed that in a well prepared defensive, the advantage of the needle guns was somewhat lessened. -The Austrian strategy itself has also often been criticised, as the offensive plan, favoured by Archduke Albrecht, who beat the Italians in the South despite being numerically disadvantaged, would have called for defeating the Prussian armies seperately, before they could unite in Bohemia, as Moltke’s plan called for. This was historically of course dismissed, with the overly cautious Ludwig von Benedek being appointed to command the northern army despite his initial refusal to take the post. How well the Austrians would have fared on the offensive is hard to say, I personally wouldn’t bet on this offensive succeeding. The most pressing issue of the Austrian forces, in my opinion was their use of the utterly outdated “Stoßtaktik”, which saw their infantry charging the enemy in big formations. Ultimately, even the Prussian leadership was not sure of their victory until the afternoon of Königgrätz. Bismarck, as a famous anecdote goes, traveled to the field with a suitcase full of foreign currency, as he’d be ruined should the war be lost. I would be interested if you came across the points during your research. If not, I can hardly blame you, as the Brothers War is not that well known or popular.
@fireandblood8142
@fireandblood8142 Ай бұрын
Exactly, this is what I tried to explain in my comment, I am disappointed by PH on this video, he clearly did no research on the conduct of the war to assert that the Austrian army was doomed to failure
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
lol the brothers war tbf was very short war and people overlook it for the Franco-Prussian war
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
@@fireandblood8142I mean tbf they did nearly take Vienna in 5 weeks so…
@fireandblood8142
@fireandblood8142 Ай бұрын
@@AdvancedGamer- No, Bismarck advocated not capturing Vienna because it would have upset the great powers and humiliated Austria too much, which is why the Prussian army continued on its way to Pressburg (Bratislava), chasing the Austrian army into modern day Slovakia. Anyway, the fact is that the Habsburgs were not doomed to failure, it was really misjudgments and poor decisions at the strategic level of operations that decided the fate of the war, this reminds me of the campaign of France in 1940, the French army was not doomed to failure, it was even better than the German army and Manstein knew it ("la premier armee du monde"), but it lost the early stages of the war due to errors of judgment and poor decisions
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
@@fireandblood8142 yes but if Austria was gonna push back why should Bismarck care about taking Vienna if they’re really pushing back? Think
@leemcpherson1039
@leemcpherson1039 Ай бұрын
17:32 This is silly historical determinism. Serbia was pro-Austrian until a decade or so before 1914, and Bulgarian affinity for Russia or Austria were contingent on which way Serbia went.
@donutsteelthisname1088
@donutsteelthisname1088 Ай бұрын
Suggestion: What if Egypt won the second Egyptian-Ottoman war
@user-yq4sn6my2x
@user-yq4sn6my2x 23 күн бұрын
Until 7:50 I miss some discussions - 1: Who gets to rule Schleswig-Holstein? The rebel Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg or the Grand Duke of Oldenburg? 2 - Bavaria needs compensation, I reckon France would be willing to give them the Rhineland, as they used to be good allies, plus perhaps the 2/3 of Westphalia too, the last 1/3 of Westphalia going to Hanover, the same with Lauenburg which should make the UK accept it. 3 - Russia should get a bit of the Posen/Poznan region, just to sugar coat it all. It’s how I would’ve tried to wrap it all up.
@OnePinkDuck
@OnePinkDuck Ай бұрын
How do you get so accurate historicsl maps?
@arasgee9184
@arasgee9184 Ай бұрын
When will you do the 'Carthage wins Second Punic War' video?
@barsukascool
@barsukascool Ай бұрын
Apie ką tu? Neaiškus komentaras.
@mrhehveee5213
@mrhehveee5213 Ай бұрын
so, this is basically the What if everything went perfect for the Austrian Empire video.
@henrikstoraker826
@henrikstoraker826 Ай бұрын
Finish your ever empire in history series bro
@dqnkdoggo_
@dqnkdoggo_ Ай бұрын
How do you make your thumbnails
@PizzaChess69
@PizzaChess69 Ай бұрын
Video idea: What if everything went perfect for Australia?
@joseyamama
@joseyamama Ай бұрын
🔥
@user-yk5yz9xl6x
@user-yk5yz9xl6x Ай бұрын
What if the ottomans won at vienna? What if the European holy league lost? What if the kingdom of Syria resisted the french and British? What if the papal state united italy?
@madeinheaven5170
@madeinheaven5170 Ай бұрын
where do you get your maps?
@Jesteroo_
@Jesteroo_ Ай бұрын
could you do what if everything went right for Austria
@Heavenlynightstarz
@Heavenlynightstarz Ай бұрын
PH can you do what if Australia won the great emu wars?
@user-adrsilva123
@user-adrsilva123 Ай бұрын
Yo Possible History Please Do What If Joseph Stalin Lived Longer!
@theunfunny4133
@theunfunny4133 Ай бұрын
Do a what if everything went perfect for portugal (1414-1580 or further)
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
How lol
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
Jk
@FusionCyborg
@FusionCyborg Ай бұрын
2:18 Good to know I'm not the only one who views the NGC as Prussia subjecting & transforming the rest of Germany north of the river main into Prussian vassals
@Silly_dutch_femboy
@Silly_dutch_femboy Ай бұрын
18:56 I'm not too sure if an independent polish state is likely as this might cause trouble in austrian polish majority regions
@juliosalas6455
@juliosalas6455 Ай бұрын
Could you make video on "What if everything went perfect for Mexico"?
@charmyzard
@charmyzard Ай бұрын
Here before the HOI4 mod on this scenario strikes!
@Leyrann
@Leyrann Ай бұрын
What if the Congress of Vienna decided to reinstate Louis Napoleon as King of the Netherlands?
@dogsittinggay7273
@dogsittinggay7273 Ай бұрын
Could you do what if everything went perfect for the Ottoman Empire
@burger7499
@burger7499 Ай бұрын
Can we have the video "What if everything went perfect for Bohemia?"
@mrjaman3752
@mrjaman3752 Ай бұрын
Minor mistake at 2:21 The Italians took Veneto out of the war yet its shown like if it was still Austrian
@spielfieber6908
@spielfieber6908 Ай бұрын
I want part 2
@zankbot2401
@zankbot2401 Ай бұрын
can you do a what if Poland and Bohemia united in the middle ages?
@epok7272
@epok7272 Ай бұрын
i have been asking since last yer. what if everything went perfect for romanian principalities/romania or what if micheal the brave's union worked out
@sthgaming6451
@sthgaming6451 Ай бұрын
Let's go
@wojtekpolska1013
@wojtekpolska1013 Ай бұрын
could you explain as to why there wouldnt be a hungarian compromise and creation of austria-hungary?
@AlaukikDevkota0
@AlaukikDevkota0 Ай бұрын
You should make a video where Britian was very lucky
@neumo5005
@neumo5005 Ай бұрын
Not my idea but please do an everything perfect for Denmark. How much could they realistically hold on to
@VeeePlayes
@VeeePlayes Ай бұрын
What Music is at 10:00 ?
@electricVGC
@electricVGC Ай бұрын
Would've been interested in seeing an anti Hungarian compromise with the Slavs as an option as well. More possible with both more Germans and a lot more Slavs. I think France giving up Rome in exchange for also capitulating to Italy seems crazy?
@bartholomeusnebuchadnezzar2463
@bartholomeusnebuchadnezzar2463 Ай бұрын
can you do a ,,what if the byzantines won at manzikert" video, please?
@user-gw7po1lz2m
@user-gw7po1lz2m Ай бұрын
The random "Сечас" or whatever on 9:40 is killing me
@worldfacts5298
@worldfacts5298 Ай бұрын
You should make a video on if the first Bulgarian empire managed to overthrow the eastern Roman’s
@bones6448
@bones6448 Ай бұрын
The wiki page for the battle of konigratz says if Austria actually pressed forward they could have won the battle and destroyed the Prussian army. Konigratz came down to the wire. If Italy was not in the war, the addition of south army would have won the war for Austria as the Prussian army was stuck with mountains to their back with no supplies, it wouldn't have been long, it would have ended just a little after it did in OTL, Austria isn't getting beaten around. In 1866 the quality of the 2 armies wasn't very different.
@germanshepherd2701
@germanshepherd2701 Ай бұрын
The idea that Austria could hold out long enough for a British blockade to cause 4 major countries to fall into economic collapse and anarchy before they reach Vienna and with no Hungarian revolt is FUCKING HILARIOUS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👹👹👹😭😭😭😭😭
@TheAustrianAnimations87
@TheAustrianAnimations87 Ай бұрын
Well, if Austria just became militarily as strong and competent as the German Empire, then it might be possible. But in real life it's unrealistic and Austria would lose.
@germanshepherd2701
@germanshepherd2701 Ай бұрын
@@TheAustrianAnimations87 Yeah it’s true. It’s alternate history so of course it’s possible for them to have have done better and instituted military reform. It’s just cuz he never mentioned such advancements in the video so I imagine the same/similar military capabilities in that situation and they wouldn’t be able to last. Few major powers could lol
@dano4996
@dano4996 Ай бұрын
@@TheAustrianAnimations87 Austria had long diplomatic traditions but not military one. Therefore I don't think they would have something like a german army to defend themselves. And even with a very good army, France, Russia and Prussia is just too much
@radored7750
@radored7750 Ай бұрын
13:55 that is picture from year 1946 from deportation of Germans from Czechoslovakia.
@Counterfactualy_no
@Counterfactualy_no Ай бұрын
Day 14 asking for "What if Everything Went Perfect for Romania"
@PetarDjerkovic
@PetarDjerkovic Ай бұрын
I don't like how the stronger nations just take over the smaler countries . For example Montenegro. A nation that beat the Ottomans countles times just gets in Austrias sphere of influence .
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 Ай бұрын
Sphere of influence is also a result of ecconomy. Montenegro simply doesn't have the ability to hold off ecconomic power.
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
@@matthiuskoenig3378true
@AGamerthatregretsalot
@AGamerthatregretsalot Ай бұрын
Its great to be early as 5 minutes to a possible history video
@kaunghlamyat
@kaunghlamyat Ай бұрын
Guess we're gonna have german painter instead of austrian one
@gregoryturk1275
@gregoryturk1275 Ай бұрын
Syndicalist confederation of Greater Germany
@e4y34zdfg
@e4y34zdfg Ай бұрын
Austrians are ethnic Germans.
@nitch2527
@nitch2527 Ай бұрын
dam
@enterchannelname3213
@enterchannelname3213 Ай бұрын
Your the first
@purpledevilr7463
@purpledevilr7463 Ай бұрын
Praise be to the first.
@earthgaming228
@earthgaming228 Ай бұрын
and the person who actually got first award goes to...
@Brandon-kt1qh
@Brandon-kt1qh Ай бұрын
In the alternate WWI, I think a potential American entry against the British, allying with both France and Germany, is extremely likely as well. An England/Austria vs France, Italy, Germany, Russia, and America is possible in a long term scenario.
@enguerrandleblanc2399
@enguerrandleblanc2399 Ай бұрын
also, when you divide Africa you missed the fact that France give up Egypt to Britain to gain an alliance. So in that timeline it is not possible that a victorious empire would let himself be
@AdvancedGamer-
@AdvancedGamer- Ай бұрын
They didn’t give up Egypt they gave up Sudan So Uhm yeah
@pavle987
@pavle987 Ай бұрын
Can you do "What if everything went perfect for Serbia"
@jlole9460
@jlole9460 Ай бұрын
You should do "What if the ottomans fell during Timur's invasion?"
@Roarkus_
@Roarkus_ Ай бұрын
Next video do what if Australia won the austro-Prussian wars
@WillJenson-rr6cd
@WillJenson-rr6cd Ай бұрын
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