What If GOKU & GOHAN used the Hyperbolic Time Chamber FIRST? | Dragon Ball Z

[@big.jesus999]

You see Frieza you aren't dealing with the average saiyan warrior any more

[@vrgpm962]

"Wait haven't we been through this before. I feel like we've been through this before."

[@azaansabir3303]

@@vrgpm962 "BECAUSE I AM THE SUPER SAIYAN"

[@adamdaman6784]

Azaan Sabir oh my god this is happening again!

[@bobherobrine3415]

*"AnD i WilL AVeNg3 mY rAcE"*

[@nub-roblox382]

"You're facing a super Saiyan. And I'm not talking about Goku."

[@technicalvids3137]

That one dislike is from semi perfect cell because he knows he's gonna get bodied

[@mADMAX-cg6sy]

And the other were from cell jr.

[@ultimatestrike9784]

@@sora654able1 and know 82 cell jr

[@aaronchia5286]

the next 88 dislikes are cell juniours

[@SkellEthon-YT]

@@aaronchia5286 the other dead bad guys in hell watching

[@michaelromano611]

Those 93 others are from cell jrs

[@killblade6]

To quote dbza episode 60: "If gohan and i came out first, we would have killed cell right away, but leaving that job to Vegeta?! Well you saw what happened"

[@ClubberOntop]

Lol

[@gyrofrank]

silly Vegeta

[@michaelkey9310]

"Don't tell Vegeta how much stronger we are, he'll be all 'uggghhhh my pride, I wish I were a carrot'" 😂

[@mikemoore9092]

​@@michaelkey9310vegeta: mock my pride 🤬

[@psychoboy1780]

See, he is like a see-in saiyan

[@defygravity1963]

5:41 That semi-perfect cell imitation wasn’t actually that bad it was pretty good

[@spaceonisorceress4406]

So it was... Semi-perfect?

[@Sewibl]

@@spaceonisorceress4406 get out

[@ne2428]

N O P E

[@JarekSSJXify]

@@spaceonisorceress4406 🤣I HATE YOU!

[@FenLupimo]

@@Sewibl Hey I'm here for the interview-

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Goku: Why do think we went into the Time Chamber after Trunks and Vegeta? Piccolo: Ego? Goku: Because if Gohan and I got out first, we'd kill Cell right away. But leave it to Vegeta? I mean, you saw what happened.

[@nathanpage2767]

Tfs is funny t

[@RedDragonForce2]

Piccolo: I'm confused, because it sounds like you knew Vegeta would screw up. Goku: Either him or Krillin. Piccolo: (visible confusion) Oh my God, but... how did you know he wouldn't just kill everyone once he became perfect? Goku: I took care of that myself. (flashbacks to Goku provoking Cell the way he knew he would be) Cell would never pass that up... because _I_ wouldn't.

[@RedDragonForce2]

GrowlingScarab7 episode 60, part 1.

[@Ben-jl2rh]

@@growlingscarab7 episode 50

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@@RedDragonForce2 found it right after commenting

[@ironventus]

I feel like gohan would be more like his post dbs counterpart where he knows now that he has to train to protect people due to his soft nature allowing cell to get away and almost absorbing 18

[@GreenFantom]

Him not killing Cell in the original and causing Goku's death wasn't enough to get him to that point. It wasn't until Freeza tortured him in DBS that he cared about getting stronger. Until then, he was always able to compete with most threats at any given time. I don't think Gohan would have much change to going for being a scholar over being a fighter, especially since Goku would still be around to deal with any threats. He might train a little bit with Goku still, but he'd probably want to get back to his books.

[@justsomeshinychewtlewitham6097]

@@GreenFantom Kakarot elaborated on it he actually did want to train after the Cell games because he put himself as the reason why his father died and Piccolo explained to him the fear of another Bio android coming with Gohan being the only one to be strong enough to take on

[@GreenFantom]

@@justsomeshinychewtlewitham6097 I haven't played the game, so thanks for informing me. Either way, though, he would likely still focus on education over training, maybe training just a bit every now and then.

[@ironventus]

GreenFantom what I meant was that Gohan realised that his own soft nature allowed cell to get away and almost become perfect which he would want to deal with quickly so that he doesn’t have that happen with future villains

[@michaelshahoe]

@@GreenFantom Buu saga actually showcased Gohan would be ready to train because he was ready to kill Buu when Buu was sealed but hated himself for neglecting training because he wasnt strong enough. Elder Kai giving Gohan a second chance made him realise the strength he had hidden all along and the natural progression would've been to motivate him to atleast practice enough to prevent the same mistake which happend when he failed in killing Buu(His family and Videl getting killed by Buu). He doesnt need to be the strongest but he does need the strength to protect the people he cares for. DBS is dumb. Every character developments were thrown away. Just look at Vegeta for example, it's almost the same character again before the ending of the Buu saga. This isnt a natural progression because every characters were fully developed already at the end of Buu saga as fighters. DBS only existed after the flop of DBEvolution, atleast that's what it has been said or it could be money, who knows. But regardless DBS needed to redo some development or you would've a serie with no char development beside becoming a better family man. How many kids would be interested in seeing that? Heck ignoring the char development, look at how they insanely nerfed Gohan. The Buu saga is 7 years after the Cell saga and Gohan became soft and didnt train during the timeskip. He still managed to go Ssj2, something he just unlocked and most likely didnt master in the timeskip. RoF doesnt take place 7 years after BoG. We know in BoG Gohan was still able to go into his unlocked potential form. Yet he suddenly went from Unlocked Potential to barely going into ssj in like a year while he could go from ssj2 to ssj2 in 7 years when it was said he stopped training during the timeskip?

[@tylergao7290]

do a part 2 plz this was really cool

[@amolvijayachandran]

Not much would change

[@FallenL1ght_]

Carthu : No. No, I don’t think I will.

[@SkellEthon-YT]

@@FallenL1ght_ lol

[@Mr.DripRadish]

PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS PART 2

[@masons.4489]

I secind this

[@alexisbetancourt8201]

Definitely continue this, i like seeing how things play out in these what ifs.

[@AikoDoesYouTube]

KZbin: this video was made 19 minutes ago Me: and why are the comments an hour ago? KZbin:Because they were made an hour ago Me: Hm

[@AkaObbies]

KZbin is correct since the video was set up to publish so people could comment on it before it was fully published and shown. That's the time it shows the video has been published.

[@IamSaralinka]

AKA Express oh yeah, I keep forgetting that’s a thing now

[@mikemike-uh1kr]

There was a Live Stream and there were people waiting for it to even start so they made a comment and then the video finally started when it got its release date

[@mr.dantastic5073]

3:12 Most definately, Goku didn’t see what Vegeta unlocked, yet he still reached that state, saw its flaw, and decided to work past it, there’s no reason he wouldn’t surpass it if he went into the chamber first either way.

[@awesome1ru]

same with Gohan turning into ssj2 briefly in the Chamber.

[@HatakeDevon]

I knew something like this would've happened. I must admit, however, that I did not expect cell to pull a Freeza/Raditz... Well done once again Carthu!!!!!

[@caiwalker9448]

I love you’re what ifs because they take so long to find the right solutions to keep the series going

[@LordYamcha]

Would they be stronger certainly- would it make a difference? Probably. Would Vegeta whine- Obviously

[@LordYamcha]

@Hafeez Nurahmed hi bro

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Lol. 😝😝👌👌 Good one, and your Name is tight.

[@SploogeCannon]

Nice pfp

[@RedDragonForce2]

Goku would actually be weaker than in the original, because his living body had far more limits than his dead body. Also, because Goku stayed alive, he only had Vegeta and Gohan to train with to make any real gains. So he wouldn't have the excessive time to train because his body would need rest. Also, no Metamooran Fusion, and no meditation to keep a balance of physical and mental training. Gohan would be far stronger though, as well as Vegeta, because Gohan, when serious, would push Vegeta in ways Goku couldn't.

[@jonathanocampo2341]

You're even here my lord??!!!

[@rinkuflash8000]

One of my favorite what if's ever so far. I like the cell arc but it always bugged me that almost all the heros made mistakes along the way which led to perfect cell when it easily could have been avoided. Would love a part 2 of this 🙏🔥

[@felipewadhwani8084]

Thank You so very much for posting all of this great content while im sitting at home bored because of the quarintine!

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

@5:22 Yo Carthu, I really fuck with the writing of your what ifs. Cell pulls from his intel, and uses his opponent’s morals & integrity against them. Similar to what he did to Vegeta) To GOHAN: “ Maybe it’s the Goku Cells in me, but I regret this direction..” THAT is actually not a bad bluff. Good shit.

[@CarthusDojo]

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UNSUBBING BITCH

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[@nmextrapstar69]

They would’ve killed cell and then became friends with the androids

[@venturatheace1]

only problem is that 17 never comes back to life

[@OmKumar-xx6cd]

@@venturatheace1 he would

[@UnwantedGhost1]

@@venturatheace1 He was revived in the original continuity. So they'll just do the same in this what if.

[@johnnsong5078]

Always looking towards to your dbz what ifs they honestly make me feel that there tons of routes that the anime cold have gone

[@johanbrito7897]

Too bad Gohan won’t get his ultimate form and the elder Kai is gonna stay in the sword forever

[@devilfromhell8546]

not getting ultimate form sounds sad but let that old pervert freak be stuck in that damn sword

[@edi6722]

@@devilfromhell8546 he’s not even that perverted what are you on about lmao

[@tanyaharmon6739]

@@edi6722 you watched the show right?

[@edi6722]

@@tanyaharmon6739 yea what perverted moments has he had other than getting a kiss to do the ritual on gohan

[@tanyaharmon6739]

@@edi6722 spying on girls

[@Midnight_Master-1]

What of Zamasu met Vegeta instead of Goku?

[@cgow2989]

Dont you mean what if zamasu chose to be vegeta black right

[@Midnight_Master-1]

@@cgow2989 of Vegeta met Zamasu then Zamasu would have been him because Zamasu never knew about Vegeta in the first place

[@cgow2989]

@@Midnight_Master-1 zamasu knew vegeta existed he saw the battle of universe 7 and 6. He chpse gokus body because goku was obviously stronger

[@nlc2566]

Grand Priest Goku MUI wait didn’t he know who vegeta was? Didn’t zamasu and gowazu watch the U6 vs U7 matches from Godtube? Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure they did, if I’m not mistaken

[@cgow2989]

@@nlc2566 they did

[@omaster2814]

I have been Waiting for this one for a while so thanks

[@JadedJaden]

I WOULD like to see this story continue, Carthu, and I HAVE hit that like button.

[@nadeeme1299]

I feel this wasn’t explored as much as it could be. Semi perfect cell could have knocked out krillen quickly to absorb 18 as he knows krillen flaring his energy would alert gohan and he wouldn’t have another chance. This would make it interesting to see how things would turn out after Also, buu could definitely be revived since gohans energy (being stronger than canon) but would charge buu more than it did in canon and then the energy they get from Dabura and gohan fighting would add some more. Then realizing that Dabura isn’t a match, babidi could use his magic to escape giving dabura time to heal and then using his energy (sacrificing dabura) to fill the remaining to wake buu. Then you could explore the story further

[@nadeeme1299]

You should really redo this what if story and add these elements!! I hope enough people like this so that it reaches your attention

[@Hei_Darkfire]

That's actually a really good idea. I hope he takes your idea to runs with it. It would be interesting to see how it changes the story with Buu.

[@kingkurok3149]

I'd most definitely love to see you continue this one, I don't imagine a whole lot would change, but who knows, I'd also like to suggest a rather interesting what if What if King Cold was revived instead of Frieza, Frieza was arrogant, immature and love toying around, but what about King Cold how would him being revived instead of Frieza affect things, would he even seek revenge or take advantage of this second chance, would he have a new son to replace the failure that was Frieza, so many possibilities

[@kingkurok3149]

@Malthizar King Cold was stated to be a mutant to, plus again there are other ways he can affect the timeline, not just by fighting our main characters

[@D34doneTTV]

King Kurok THIS! Plus, as you said before, he could be a way to introduce us to a different son (hello Cooler introduction!), then it might not be King Cold himself who joins in, but Cooler who may have been pushed to test his limits because of Freeza’s Golden form, could possibly not only have his 5th transformation like in the movie, but also his own golden form, possibly thinking he’s surpassed Freeza (but Freeza in reality has his true golden form and is technically stronger), but we would still get a ready to go fighter who is ruthless, but also understands he’s fighting for everything he controls still.

[@tsukiche5939]

@@D34doneTTV Frieza chose his new form to be Golden, because he was defeated by a super saiyan. If Coola trains and gain a new form, it will probably be a canonised 5th form or a 6th if he had the 5th already. He has no grudge against the super saiyan form specifically.

[@D34doneTTV]

Man which I would be okay with, would love to see a different color incorporated. Shiny purple or something? Either way, would be really awesome to see another one of Freezas race work hard and obtain new power. They are actually quite interesting and we only get to see Freeza and King Cold In canon

[@priestesslucy]

@iiYonko strength and potential are separate things. Frieza is a spoiled brat prodigy while Cold presumably had to fight his way to imperial glory. Obviously King Cold hasn't trained like an Earthling, nobody who hasn't had intimate experience with Earthlings does, but he likely has nurtured and extracted far more of his potential than Frieza ever did in Z. So in all likelihood, Golden Frieza surpasses anything King Cold could ever be.

[@angelaobreing9330]

Hi Carthu I love your videos

[@dekuavatar8777]

Perfect Cell would never existed but goku.... Goku:I want see you at your max!

[@jonjonmclear]

And vegeta

[@christiancrusader9374]

But doesn't he also hate cruelty? I don't think he would let him absorb 18.

[@Youngchezzey]

@@christiancrusader9374 goku wants to fight you at max gohan would stay with goku yeah but perfect cell would still exist

[@MajdNova]

nah Goku would let cell power up to fight him at his max but he wouldn't let him power up by absorbing 18 Goku would protect the androids now he was even against Vegeta killing Jeice you think he'll let Cell kill 18 ? hell nawh

[@tristysstuff6664]

Good video carthu, hope you staying safe man

[@thetruefoxking2098]

Love you videos man been watching since you had 3,000 subs keep up the good work

[@Divinegoldensun]

Your edition and scripst are very good! Keep going!

[@lolfadelol7777]

please continue and thank you for the amazing content.

[@ameerahmed7465]

Finally someone did this Ive been looking around for someone who did this but I couldnt find any

[@616png]

This should continue, it is amazing so far. Gohan will still be training too pretty much!

[@jonathanocampo2341]

This is a great what if dude👍👍

[@acenovaYT]

gohan beeing stronger makes the initial energy they collect more and gohan still should have his arrogance as it wasnt even hinted to with him not facing cell (reaching ssj2 without others praising him for his power could make him less arrogant but it would still be there) so im saying gohan while fighting dabura dosent go all out and supplies more than usual still ressurecting buu

[@young_wedgie24]

Keep doing it! It was entertaining for me. Especially because we are quarantined

[@Shuddho]

Loved it. We want a part 2 of this

[@adamwade6243]

Super Saiyan 3 is one of the possible next evolutions of Super Saiyan 2 and it was never said that Super Saiyan 3 needed a special condition to be met in order to be able to achieve the form. Also, I am pretty sure that Full Power Super Saiyan Son Gohan would have been able to tell if Semi-Perfect Cell had been lying to him or not through the ability to sense Ki.

[@spaceonisorceress4406]

There are only two Super Saiyan 3 in canon - Goku and Gotenks. Goku specifically achieved the form in the afterlife, and explicitly stated that SSJ3 was easier to use without a living body; after he was revived, he had a lot of trouble sustaining it at all, and it remains a very energy-inefficient transformation. Gotenks is a fusion, and it was strongly implied that he burnt off most of the energy of his fused state to unlock the form - note that he de-fused early. Given that these are the only cases in which SSJ3 was obtained, and both were special circumstances, it's reasonable to assume SSJ3 cannot be obtained by normal means unless proven otherwise. That being said, Toriyama has stated that SSJ2 and 3 are little more than powered up versions of the base Super Saiyan state, and that with enough training, it would theoretically be possible for a Super Saiyan Grade 4 to be stronger than either of those forms.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

I assume that a Saiyan must master Super Saiyan 2 just like Super Saiyan in order to force the strenuous form.

[@spaceonisorceress4406]

@@UnwantedGhost1 Nah, it's a raw power thing. Neither Goten nor Trunks even knew what Super Saiyan 2 was, but Gotenks was essentially able to skip it and force Super Saiyan 3 since his base power was so high.

[@Amartin-mu6oj]

You guys think about the "special conditions" of these transfortions way too much. They're just transformations. Anyone with the appropriate ammount of strength can attain these forms through training.

[@Amartin-mu6oj]

@@spaceonisorceress4406 goku attained the form in the afterlife but can still use it in his living body. The only difference being that his living body can't sustain the form as well, so I don't see what part of that implies goku only attained the form due to being in the after life. He trained to reach such a form like he always does, there was just the added benefit of not having a mortal body. Goten and trunks saw goku power up to ssj3, and just copied what they saw once they fused and had the appropriate ammount of strength to reach ssj3. The energy that ssj3 requires burning through their fusion has literally nothing to do with how they attained the form.

[@devilhunter7130]

Hell yeah you should continue this series!!!

[@lk_xdw]

I love your vids carthu

[@ashvinsito]

Hey carthu!love ur vidsss

[@jonyzauro5546]

Cell really said "Maybe my Goku cells are acting up" while in reality it were his Freeza's cells 💀💀💀

[@yangchenlhamo7537]

Do what if trunks stayed in the past android saga

[@ojpickle5923]

Trunks always trains and vegeta would probably be his training partner so they would be strong enough to kill dabura amd babidi before buu is ever set free. Since trunks with his half sayain potiential would be the strongest then he would be chosen as the super sayain god. Trunks then just beats every one and becomes the hero of the story although since goku wasnt revived in the buu saga that could mean no tournament of power so zeno destroys all the universes

[@KuwaitiBerlin]

D Naranjo Thats one nasty ending there lol 😂

[@mohammadmehmood3092]

@@ojpickle5923 resurrection F still happens and the universe 6 tournament so I don't think it's impossible for the TOP to happen.

[@stillnousername9796]

@@ojpickle5923 i would be fine with The Trunks Show but that's just me

[@Caminopoi66]

Damn, kudos to whoever helped in the development of this video. Love it.

[@rossbaker7400]

I would love part 2 to this and even an what if Vegeta trained with Gohan during the 7 years of peace as I thought it was the best way to surpass Goku and more so Gohan as hes the only living rival to his power and still gives him drive.

[@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap]

"by the way, i never died in this version"

[@cheesygamingshow8097]

What if bardock and gine went with goku to earth? Would be a interesting concept I think

[@totallynotolsamf4502]

Cheesygamingshow everyone on earth would die because bardock and fine would keep their sayian nature

[@KejuanBW]

Stormy_pixels Wrong. Haddock actually had somewhat of a change in nature. And Gine was a kind hearted Saiyan mostly. She didn’t like killing or fighting or anything. Which is why she was a cook.

[@Tan-lb6sm]

Both of you are wrong, they would all get shot down before reaching Earth. Earth might even be invaded after that who knows, but yes. Bardock would still fight as a Saiyan, if you saw the special he didn’t want anything to do with any weaklings, he’ll probably train Goku to eventually take over the planet, maybe not destroy, but take over.

[@KejuanBW]

Tan Enzo Not true. Bardock actually cared for Goku and his life, and even had somewhat of a change in his ways before dying. He wouldn’t care about taking over earth or anything. He’d just want his family safe and somewhere to live in peace, but he’d definitely train Goku. And Gine wouldn’t support or let Bardock kill or invade earth, because she’s obviously stronger than all the humans there, but she doesn’t like fights or conflict. She wants what’s best for Goku.

[@danielhilgeman798]

That's a great what if clockwork highlander has done that check it out its amazing in my opinion

[@Majin_Veasy]

Goku smiles and teleports to the store to buy some milk.

[@Sword_Man_YT]

What if Goku unlocked Ultra Instinct in Resurrection F?

[@gameknightyboi2835]

Sword Man no offence but that’s really stupid

[@Mystfluent]

@@gameknightyboi2835 why

[@Mystfluent]

@@gameknightyboi2835 it would be awesome

[@randomstuff5372]

Sword Man now howl would that happen

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Random Stuff Goku could get beaten down by Frieza before his stamina drained.

[@BTFU93]

Part 2! This was dope as hell!

[@Vinnymanvinny1]

Great video, the only thing I question is that Trunks and Vegeta had already seen that Goku and Gohan had Super Saiyan grade 4 and they went back in the time chamber and still didn't Master it

[@toning338]

I love how Gohan was doubtful about fighting Cell until he saw Piccolo and was like, "Ok fine I will fight Cell."

[@ojpickle5923]

What if kami never defused

[@Cysco8575]

That would be an interesting "what if" Instead of rejecting his evil side via fision he just trained to control it but that means no King Piccolo and maybe no Piccolo Jr. either (considering Kami can still spawn eggs). So Goku's journey would be almost the same until his meeting with Kami and no King Piccolo saga.

[@lunarSmite]

Kami doesnt become earth's guardian, no dragon balls, none of the show happens and earth gets destroyed by Buu well after Goku dies as an old man

[@SUGARSPICE13]

Hope there is a part 2 because feel like its gonna be one of the better what ifs, and that's saying something after watching all the other God tier vids

[@ojpickle5923]

Of nappa got grade 3 would his mussles get even bigger or would he stay the same

[@hoshiryu]

Ofcourse they'd get bigger

[@aysparkz6645]

Broly with grade 3 XD

[@nmextrapstar69]

aySparkZ haha. Dude would be like 10 foot 1k lbs if not more 😳

[@taecampus]

He'd literally look like a bald Broly..... With a stache lol

[@nmextrapstar69]

Tae Campus I feel like he would be a lot bigger. He’s basically the size of broly to begin with

[@SansINess53]

U really good at making thumbnail

[@SkrapMetal84]

i would think that they would stay in grade 4 for a really long time atleast until the SSJ2 is discovered.

[@robertmiles431]

You have my vote, please do a Part 2, this was very interesting,

[@predatorlr5078]

What if cell was revive instead of frieza

[@breakerxy6130]

that wouldn’t happen since friezas force wished him back

[@Sou-vu6xb]

Yeah how should that go down.... the frieza force revived frieza because they were frieza's army, cell dosent have a army

[@SwagGodEren]

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[@breakerxy6130]

oh i thought he meant resurrection f xD

[@pmxanimations]

@@Sou-vu6xb the cell jr

[@maddoxsheffield6407]

Android 16: I have waited oh so looong, please dont tell me i was wrong.

[@Ay2Bee]

I’d love to have you continue this to the Beerus arc ! That’d be an interesting video

[@MR.__G]

First time watching. Glad I found this channel. Great content

[@rpt2369]

I know my guy Vegeta is a genius but I don’t think he would’ve gotten grade 4. Even in the regular story after witnessing Goku and Gohan coming out in grade 4 he still didn’t attain the form until after the cell games

[@ZarrarAAli]

I think he did have grade 4 but he was just weaker than Goku because he didn't have a training partner to keep pushing him

[@lookie4448]

This. In the manga they use a slimmer transformation during the cell games ​@@ZarrarAAli

[@DuskPhoenixZero]

Yeah, I would like to see this storyline continued in the events of Super, all the way through the Tournament of Power, at the very least. It's amazing how such a simple change can have such profound and far-reaching effects on the future.

[@MsMRkv]

I highly doubt vegeta would achieve super saiyan grade 4 because in the original he entered the room of spirit and time twice after seeing goku, and he didn't get that form.

[@JLuisJoni]

Goku convincing Vegeta to let him go first just made me think of "You know, funny thing is, I know you're playing me, but you're right."

[@UnexpectedWonder]

We need the continuation. 😏😏

[@brandoncamper9149]

I wanna se part 2 tmr this is so good

[@misterseba0150]

I am going to think that 17 is still revived...

[@meremere5356]

Yeah, i'm sure Krillin would wish 17 back.

[@jaylanriorden6341]

They would still probably wish for the restriction of all the people killed by cell even if to is a far smaller amount than in cannon so yeah 17 would probably be brought back

[@KurayamiGGEZ]

Goku would look at Cell in his first form and be like "Needle on his tail! Get me outta here!"

[@schtoko]

Like I said, this man is a special man

[@DutchBondFan]

Amazing that Android 17 voiced this video!

[@souleblade32790]

I want this story to continue!

[@ADXFat]

Same plz continue i liked and subbed by the first vid i watched in your channel

[@Mangume]

I think this one is one of the most accurate ones you’ve made

[@FreeTheDimples]

I'd love a what if, that is the continuation of the timeline where Cell killed Trunks and left. What would Bulma do, would she go to namek, who would be revived? Would anyone catch up with Trunk's power?

[@thatguy7640]

How do you not have in the millions of subs fr. Such good stories.

[@Trap5656]

Yep Gohan letting Cell go makes sense he doesn't like to kill, and it's a good lesson when he faces the same dilemma with Dabura in the Buu Saga. Also group training in the Time-skip with Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Goten, and Trunks was a neat idea. I'm guessing Goku is going to be the SSG like normal unless you want pull a twist and have Gohan as the SSG, because if Gohan has been keeping up with his training (and studies too) he should theoretically be stronger than Goku and Vegeta. (Because I doubt Vegeta would want it, because he like work for his stuff not ask for hand outs.) Anyway look forward to part 2.

[@Elric_edward_0]

You can tell the death stare goku and gohan gave cell was impeccable

[@taecampus]

Something I never understood was after Goku and Gohan show off Ssj G4 and how much stronger they were, how come both Vegeta and/or Trunks didn't try to achieve that form as well? Let say that before the post HTC Goku, Vegeta and Trunks were roughly around the same strength. So during the second trip in, it should've been a bit easier for them to achieve since they were a tad stronger than their first trip. Plus, why did they train alone again? Goku and Gohan grew incredibly strong training together when before they were below #18. Piccolo split himself apart and trained with himself. He went from being on par with #17 to someone who fight on a Cell Jrs level (mind you they weren't fighting full strength 😏).

[@Vales55]

There's actually two reasons in-story. The first reason is that Grade 4 isn't necessarily stronger than Grade 2 and is physically weaker than Grade 3. The main advantage is stamina. "Grade 4" is really just Grade 1 or 2 but with practice to make it your body's "normal" state. The second reason Goku explains in the Buu arc: Vegeta actually trains *TOO* Hard. As any athlete can tell you, your muscle gains actually happen on your rest day BETWEEN workouts. Vegeta never gives his body time to rest and so he ironically sees fewer gains than Goku, Gohan, or even Trunks because of the extra effort he puts in. Not in spite of it. Vegeta probably focused on getting stronger in Grade 2 wanting to be rather than simply working to get used to Super Saiyan.

[@taecampus]

@@Vales55 that's actually a great point, and now that you mention it Goku said it in a way. You can keep training to get stronger but at some point it'll just be torture for your body. Ad you're totally right about Vegeta literally training almost everyday every moment. I am a bit confused though, I thought Grade 4 was stronger than 3 because when you actually unleash the true power of it's form it skyrockets. Remember how Trunks, Vegeta and the others were amazed and shocked when Goku powered up to half of his full power for Korin? Same when both Goku and Gohan fully powered up during the Cell games. ..... Ya know in a weird way, I always wanted both Goku and Vegeta to make ssj God their base form in DBS 😅. Like they'd have to unlock their previous forms again but as Gods.

[@TheOnlyAsaK]

Tae Campus No G4 is weaker than G2 and G3 but the reason why they were amazed was because Gohan and Goku actually trained together unlike Vegeta and trunks. If you want the short answer Goku and Gohan were just stronger than begets and trunks

[@chadku]

@@TheOnlyAsaK but doesnt them staying in ssj mean they could unleash more power than grade 3 and 2 as te hey can max out there power

[@TheOnlyAsaK]

Dbzchick No getting grade 4 isn’t training other forms. The way you could get bigger amounts of power for other forms is training or staying in the form to get used to it

[@godzillakingofthekaiju180]

Great video bro. Next, What If Vegeta Helped Goku Fight Broly?

[@someguy7499]

Lets get a part 2

[@fredbouman6473]

Does anyone remember the "What If Gohan never stopped training" series and how carthu hasn't uploaded Episode 4 yet which I hope he does

[@edwino6711]

7:05 I never knew krillion had kio Ken

[@gregwhitegull4226]

Lmao I heard that and was like wat but obviously he didn’t mean that

[@CarthusDojo]

I said “TaioKen” (the Solar Flare) not “Kaioken” my dude

[@evangarner4373]

Taioken

[@joelkinqq2567]

@@CarthusDojo but still we have another problem. Have u ever seen Krillin use his Kienza after the Solar Flare. Seems a little unlikely to me 😅😂

[@andresdelbusto2184]

Only thing I don't agree with is Gohan continuing training after cell. When his dad died, he was proclaimed as the new protector of the earth, it was his job to keep everyone save and still hw lack off on his training. Now imagine if you still have Goku and a Vegeta that kept training with Goku, naa Gohan would've chill out all those years of peace and let them who love fighting focus on protecting earth and so on

[@mr.furious6814]

I'm not sure if it would actually change the story much but in resurrection F one of the motivating forces for Frieza to train was knowing that Goku defeated Majin Buu because his father told him never to challenge Buu or Beerus. So it may be possible that we wouldn't get Golden Frieza either

[@TheFinalChapters]

1:35 Or, you know... rock paper scissors.

[@rashidmohammad8653]

I miss the good old Days when dragonball was interesting to watch what a waste

[@spiritteddy9393]

For the end of the video, it's a bit weird how specific the scenario needs to be for Buu's revival. Goku needs to be dead for Vegeta to view his return as the last chance to settle the score. Gohan needs to be weak enough that Dabura gives him trouble, further causing mental strain on Vegeta. They have to decide that the Supreme kai isn't worth listening to halfway through the spaceship. Without these conditions they shut down Babbidi and Dabura or don't play along long enough to to give energy to Buu.

[@FNFBF12]

NO ONE: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE: THE STREAM:1

[@GreyLeo]

Not gonna lie my favorite Goku and Vegeta moment was when Goku came out of the time chamber and Vegeta had his whole speech on why goku just won't leave him alone, and how he is always one step a head of him.

[@that1asian13]

bruh why do people dislike these videos?

[@OverlyCriticalAnime]

I believe it comes from it feels way too close to fanfiction. Also they almost always come to the same conclusion.

[@spaghettiking7312]

Bow down to this king, using OG panels from the manga.

[@Midnight_Master-1]

What if Broly was never found by the frieza force

[@Daikhan-Īguru]

*ded*

[@ojpickle5923]

Broly isnt in the morro arc so the only change is vegeta doesnt know the fusion dance. Broly would die on vampa

[@fareselebidy3849]

No broly movie as simple as that

[@RomeonoJulietTv]

Hey carthu I think I have a great suggestion for a video what if Goku and Vegeta went into the hyperbolic time chamber instead of Goku and Gohan in before the cell games

[@ollielawson1948]

Krillins kioken?????

[@luislazotheoof]

He said Taiyoken (Solar flare.) They sound similar but he said Taiyoken. Just wanted to correct you. You're not the only one to get confused by this, so did I a few months ago.

[@Molinill]

Now that I’m thinking of it, it’s crazy how much more stronger Goku and Gohan gotten in the chamber than Vegeta and Trunks. And the fact they didn’t even finish there full day

[@docomega7862]

I'm pretty sure it was explained that vegeta and trunks didn't really trained together, so they didn't benefit from training as much (this is shown by trunks thinking vegeta didn't know grade 3 when vegeta knew it but realized it was impractical) . Also goku had super saiyan for longer so he was probably a bit closer to understanding the concepts of the grade than vegeta was

[@Molinill]

@@docomega7862 ahhh that’s right

[@lonewolfsaiyan]

First like and comment.

[@thegamingdevil9192]

Will you continue this its really true of how it would happen

[@LubanziBulwana]

What if the Z-fighters used the 2 years in the chamber *before* the androids (16-20) arrived.

[@GenZVall]

This what if turned out great! I am noticing a trend though with the buu saga 😅😂