What If Joffrey NEVER Died? | Game of Thrones

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Let us know what you think would happen if Joffrey lived... and we will tell you why you are wrong

[@nont18411]

I would say that Joffrey and Tywin killed the wrong Starks. The dead ones are good. The living ones are insufferable. And I don't include Jon because the living Starks never consider him as one of them.

[@TheCmascagni]

@@OurHiltsHurt treason is treason!!

[@TheCmascagni]

@@OurHiltsHurt Lord Robin would be King.

[@notgoddhoward5972]

Thats how Robin Arryn is so strong and chadlike. He doesnt even bother with peasant food and drink. Just goes strait to the tap Homelander style.

[@TheCmascagni]

The seed is strong!!!

[@gabrielsanchez2123]

It is known 🗣️

[@Sebomai-b8i]

All facts

[@Bannermann]

Hmmm, Maybe his strength comes from a different source, I believe he is the son of Craster the loving, son of Aemond the Dangler also known as the Domestic Terorist of the Riverlands, conquerer of Milf Witches, first of his name. No wonder he is such a proud and stunning example of a young man.

[@Spider-Too-Too]

Anything

[@MommalaHarris]

If Joffery lived he wouldve gone on to kill the night king. The most noble boy to ever live, our Prince that was Promised

[@OurHiltsHurt]

True!!! The story would be a lot shorter with the true king sitting the throne

[@Linkedblade]

If he actually is Robert's son, then he is a targaryen

[@nathanielstacy4488]

Your Sarcasum runneth over.

[@nathanielstacy4488]

​@Linkedblade A )He wasn't, B) if he was even remotely he would be 1/2000th.

[@XBadger1]

I hear the night king never smiles. Widows wail would have given him a smile from ear to ear

[@vibechecker3168]

Tywin would probably have spent the rest of his life having to unscrew his grandsons dumbass choices

[@nont18411]

He won't last long anyway because Oberyn poisoned him during Joffrey's wedding. He will still die without Tyrion.

[@Cyanduck485]

@@nont18411 not confirmed

[@mcbeaty3971]

@@nont18411Cope theory, Oberyn exists to get his head caved in and to be the father of the Sand Snakes; nothing more.

[@eldrileka1652]

@@nont18411 Nah no way because Dorans plan is to make tywin watch his legacy crumble before killing him

[@octavianpopescu4776]

No, I think eventually Tywin would have ended Joffrey and replaced him with Tommen or at the very least, looked the other way as someone else does the deed. I don't think he's in the mood to deal with Mad King 2.0. Too chaotic, too unpredictable.

[@nont18411]

"Season 4 is arguably the best Game of Thrones season" and the very first season that GoT had shown its 3 first red flags 1 - Yara chose not to help Theon because she and her henchmen were afraid of a topless Ramsay, which was a full display of how thick Ramsay's plot armor actually was. 2 - The omission of Jaime's confession about Tysha. Tyrion and Jaime's separation should have been in horrible terms, not the good terms that we got in the show. 3 - The omission of Lady Stoneheart. She was essential for the Riverlands plot (and potentially Stark succession crisis plot as well). Without her, the Freys just went completely missing in season 4 and 5. And ever since then, we entered the "bad poosy" era of the show.

[@paulraines9635]

Yeah, two and three were the best, people just like how season four ended.

[@RodrigoCen7456]

I'm sorry do you actually think Ramsay and his personal guards were the only ones in the Dreadfort? It's a massive castle with at least a few hundred soldiers, the element of surprise was gone and Theon was being difficult. If they didn't book it immediately they would have got swarmed. Seriously I've seen this repeated so many times. Does no one know what garrison is?

[@mysteryboxe9230]

@@RodrigoCen7456 Cool strawman. No one was talking about timing. The Yara Plothole happens cause she would have had to sail around the world + Ramsey doesnt have any armor on. yk, the thing that keeps ppl alive from weapons? lmk if you need me to repeat it what I just said but slower. No. ARMOR. = Easy KILL. If you need it any simpler lmk

[@liszt646]

For me season 1 is the most faithful and consistent of them all. Trully a masterpiece

[@aaronottermann5824]

I agree, these are definitely red flags in hindsight but they aren't all that bad. 1 - Yara understood quickly that Theon wouldn't be easy to save even if they found him sitting alone in a field, seeing a topless madman and his friends enter the room just seals the deal. Ramsay being topless is just in character (I value that more than obligatory Shadiversity realism, esspecially in a show with a total of about 3 helmets and zero shields used by main characters) Topless or not, engaging in a fight with him would have ended in everyone present dying. Ramsay is not a desirable kill for Yara if it doesn't help her to save Theon and that mission had failed as soon as any group of people entered the room so saving her men was more important. 2 - Yeah ok that one is pretty bad😅 that was a big red flag that I couldn't see through the amazing acting between them at the time. 3 - Lady Stoneheart is the worst part of the books imo so I didn't miss that anyways but I also think the red wedding has much more of a finality to it without her, no satisfaction in attempts of revenge, none of the people we love remain (even if it's not really her I know but some of her is still there). Considering the small amount of screentime they would probably be able to give her, it would have been a waste to take away from her death just to get another zombie in the array of revived people in the show. What she added to the books is a good omission from a show adaptation, nobody was itching to see the effin Freys again in this packed season. Again, in hindsight I am with you 100% but I can see potential seasons 5-10 in my head that would have me gloss over these as I did in my original viewing of season 4. I also still prefer bahd poosey to muh kween😂 they really outdid themselves on the way down.

[@cyrilmeynier5688]

A variant : he gives his cup to Margeary, and she dies instead of him.

[@mattyh2464]

Lady Ollenna's reaction would have been something to behold

[@Cyanduck485]

@@cyrilmeynier5688 it was the pie though

[@johnmorris1009]

@@cyrilmeynier5688 Tyrion would still have been blamed for it and arrested. I wonder who Joffrey would have married next.

[@nont18411]

With Bran becoming king in the end of the show, we never realized how good we had with Joffrey. - Bran literally got off on watching his own sister getting raped by Ramsay. - Bran tossed Meera like trash after she literally dragged his ass throughout the north of the wall. - Bran knew beforehand that Daenerys was gonna nuke King's Landing, which would kill millions of people, and it would force Jon to kill her, and he let it happen anyway without warning anyone so that he could usurp the throne from Jon and banish Jon to the wall. - Bran gave independence to the north simply because his sister is now in charge (nepotism much?) while denying independence for the Iron Islands and Dorne, even though these two are known for a long history of rebellion. Totally won't cause another devastating civil war. - Bran knew what's west of Westeros and chose not to tell Arya, which condemned Arya to die in a sea (not that I care. She stole Jon's victory). - Bran allowed Tyrion to appoint Bronn as a Master of Coin, which will surely bankrupt the realm within a few weeks. You know? At least Joffrey had a hand who actually knew how to rule like Tywin.

[@johnmorris1009]

@nont18411 I never understood why Sansa wanted independence from a Stark ruling the Kingdoms. A stark being ruler was the only outcome where the North would have willingly bowed to Kings Landing.

[@tritsav1017]

I actually never thought about that Danny theory cos bran can look in the future... He should've definitely been killed by the night king and meera did deserve better

[@saatvikkalra6061]

​@johnmorris1009 cuz she's a power hungry bitch who wanted to rule

[@georgeprchal3924]

Tyrion: Who has a better story than Bran the Broken? Stannis: Any of you I should think, even the cook.

[@mikalapowell5349]

Bran did not “get off” on Sansa are u trying to be obtuse?? He literally said she looked pretty in her wedding dress and then said “ I’m so sorry all this evil happened to you here in our home. Some of these things are totally valid but that’s crazy. Also wtf are u talking about Arya dying? The show is already making up stuff that’s not in the books at that point but it just making up more stuff now?

[@3ddify]

Since the poison closed his throat and he choked/suffocated to death, I think Joff lives by pulling a Saw V and stabbing his own throat with a ballpoint pen (or a quill since westeros) to breathe through until they can give him an antidote

[@notgoddhoward5972]

@@3ddifyJoffrey was vicious but he sadly had in🍞 level IQ he wouldn't know that. Qyburn or whatever his name was probably would.

[@The-Allfather-Odin]

Tywins dream scenario: Jamie becomes his official heir and ruler of the Westerlands while Tyrion manages Jamies lands and becomes his closest advisor.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Oh yeah, absolutely

[@SerSerington]

Joffrey’s death was the most “coming to your senses” moment in the series. We all wanted him dead but as soon as he was gone, we wanted him back.

[@briansmith-dp4jy]

Uh. I didnt

[@giovannipinazza]

Mostly just when Tommen let the High Sparrow get away with anything he felt like. Joffrey sucked, but he would’ve definitely killed them, he clearly doesn’t care about being seen as pious, seeing as he had Ned Stark beheaded on the steps of the Sept of Baelor.

[@JoseRMartinezz]

I get where your coming from but for me it was the realization that he was just a spoiled brat ruined by his parents and at the end of the day he was just a child a monster but a child lol

[@Shystyman]

@@giovannipinazzathat scene where the cultists block tommens path when tommen tries going inside the sept to get Loras…..and tommen just walks away…..and then goes back to his betrothed wife and says “I couldn’t get inside they didn’t let me”….bro I got literally second hand embarrassment lmfaoooo what a cuck

[@blakew.5736]

RIP Joffrey the Gentle

[@OurHiltsHurt]

When do you think the real Joffrey dies

[@tyriquegriffith6942]

​@@OurHiltsHurt the real Joffrey would likey die to dany and her dragons when she comes to westoros or joffrey would kill dany and her dragons and die of old age

[@georgeprchal3924]

Ayres the III Joffrey.

[@TheCmascagni]

He said shouldn’t we deal with Dany and her dragons much sooner than anyone else.

[@paulraines9635]

Also wanted to form a standing army, kid definitely had emperor vibes.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

If not him, then at least Tywin would want to you'd think, for sure!

[@TheCmascagni]

The most noble boy the Gods put on this earth.

[@based-ys9um]

Daddy Robert did

[@TheCmascagni]

@@based-ys9um true. But Bobby B should have had it done. He wanted to call it off when he was about to die. Joffrey had no real power when Tywin came to capitol. Tywin was running everything and Joffrey really couldn’t do anything without his grandfather’s consent.

[@TheCmascagni]

Tywin bailed out Tyrion of multiple threats on Joffrey. Tywin wouldn’t let that happen if Joffrey lived.

[@sypherthe297th2]

I still think Tywin saw the writing on the wall and would have taken out Joffrey himself. That kid was always going to be a demon who would bring hell to Westeros.

[@floridamann1109]

If it avoids the cuuck Tommen/High Sparrow arc, I'm all for this. 🤝

[@OurHiltsHurt]

It’s too bad the show didn’t make anything good come form it

[@floridamann1109]

​@@OurHiltsHurtNot only that, the actor who played the High Sparrow, Jonathan Pryce (i think that's his name?), was CHEWING scenary! Comes across as a person who just likes to hear himself talk.

[@notgoddhoward5972]

@@floridamann1109 Joffrey Baratheon blond of hair. Tommen Baratheon lack of a pair.

[@josephbulkin9222]

@@OurHiltsHurt Dumb and Dumber butchered the entire sparrow movement.

[@Platerpus7]

100% there would have been no sparrows he Joffrey lived.

[@ygr6484]

I find it interesting that many Lannisters are actually decent people. Tyrion's uncles were kind to him. Tommen and Myrcella are good kids by all accounts. It's only the firstborns that are jerks (Tywin, Cersei, Joffrey). Even the words they are known by (A Lannister always pays their debts) is actually a pretty positive thing to be known for.

[@michaelolsen8519]

The True Lion, Rightful King Joffrey Baratheon First of his Name

[@Papaty25]

*stag

[@georgeprchal3924]

Joffrey the Illiterate.

[@RainBird88x]

If the Joff exiled or killed his overbearing and psychotic mother, he could have been a great king.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

True, just like the saying says. Behind every great potential king there is a devil woman holding him back.

[@Papaty25]

Joffrey was a true stag.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

True!!! All hail King Joffrey Baratheon

[@vampirefrompluto9788]

7:22 I agree with Tywin sending Tyrion to the wall. Up at the wall Tyrion is away from King's Landing but is still "available" in a sense. I think Robb in the books (it's been a while so I might be wrong) mentions offering the Night's Watch gold to release Jon from his oaths so there is probably some sort of precedent for that. Also I think Tywin knows that killing Tyrion will cause problems with Jaime so keeping him alive, even if far away, is the move.

[@tinahs8269]

Hiring someone to take his place is likely a possibility.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

True

[@TheCmascagni]

The most noble boy the Gods put on the world.

[@nick6231995]

I think the paranoia and the exasperation of Joffrey’s madness due to the attempt on his life would cause him to finally snap free from the power Tywin has over him and either dismiss Tywin’s plea for Tyrion’s life and Tywin would just give up on Tyrion, or if he doesn’t Joffrey could punish Tywin for trying to defending Tyrion. This new Mad King reign by a paranoid sociopath could cause Varys to free Tyrion himself and help him off to Daenerys. This will cause Joffrey to become even more sadistic in his anger and the increasing betrayal against him. He just starts punishing everyone for everything no matter how close. Even his mother. This could cause Jaime to slay his own son seeing Aerys II in him, and according to the books Jaime didn’t really love Joffrey that much

[@paulraines9635]

The real what if should be what if Joffrey was breastfed for an adequate amount of time, like ten/twelve years?

[@GeeNoniGee]

He'd be SweetJoff!

[@OurHiltsHurt]

True, he pales in comparison to the sweetest boy in the realm

[@TheCmascagni]

He would have butchered the high sparrow and faith militant.

[@attiepollard7847]

Actually there would be no conflict between the Faith militants and Tywin. If one Faith militant steps foot on kings landing they are dead. Finally sure the High Sparrow has observer saying that it's not safe to go there right now.

[@josephbulkin9222]

@@attiepollard7847 and that would spell anarchy in King's Landing.

[@attiepollard7847]

@@josephbulkin9222 no it won't because that will be a warning to the High Sparrow not to bring his ass to King's landing.

[@TheRealZeke2003]

Maegor the Based reborn

[@TheCmascagni]

Tywin deals with the same way he did every other time Tyrion publicly threatened Joffrey.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

How’s that?

[@TheCmascagni]

@@OurHiltsHurt at Tyrion’s wedding (show) he threatens Joffreys life. At small council meeting he does the same. Tywin always bails Tyrion out when it comes to Joffreys threats. “I’m sure Tyrion did not mean to threaten the King.”

[@paulraines9635]

What, just rolls his eyes?

[@Sebomai-b8i]

Facts, Tyrion faces no consequences, Joffrey is ignored

[@TheCmascagni]

@@paulraines9635 😂😂I’m sure tyrion did not mean to threaten the king

[@TheCmascagni]

Oberyn still tries to kill the Mountain

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Agreed

[@abyssalbunny8942]

They say that when you die you shit yourself so that anaconda was for sure felt by kings landing. It's probably what alerted the guards that there was a problem.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Idk if they ever had earthquakes in Kingslanding but her it comes

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing things also could you do what if robert baratheon didn't die?

[@OurHiltsHurt]

That might be our next one lol

[@kassietheobald9165]

what a crazy idea, it changes damn near everything!

[@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158]

What if Joffrey didn't execute Ned and actually married Sansa?

[@ToeKnife166]

Ned is a massive liability

[@groovyghoulygames]

the tywin impersonation was definitely giving alan rckman lol

[@OurHiltsHurt]

You heard it too eh? Your ear holes must be as sacred as mine

[@flavius5722]

1) According to littlefinger, if Jofrey become violent with Margery, Loras will kill him 2) If Jofrey become more paranoid, one of his first targets will be Tommen , and book Jaime will not accept this , so a second guard ready to kill Jofrey 3)Littlefinger will be very angry if his scheme has failed, so he will try a second shoot as soon as possible 4) There is just a matter of time until Jofrey make himself a enemy of the Tyrells, Martells ,or the Vale Aegon is just after the corner There is just a matter of time until

[@Sanquin000]

Video idea: ranking every king who ever sat on the iron throne on how good of a king they were and how much they benefited the realm.

[@seangreen5876]

I subscribe to the theory that Tywin was poisoned, and was slowly dying by constipation. Crossbow or not, he's dying

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Correction: no one has healthier bowels in Westeros than Tywin, and they are immune from all poison.

[@notgoddhoward5972]

@@seangreen5876 He was holding that in since Green fork. Man tossed logs strategically not even tactically like a modern marine would. It was actually Tywin's massive brown log which finally made it's way down the pipes that brought down the Red keep in the scene with Jaime and Cersei going out. That is pretty much canon.

[@xaxaxaxaxa6417]

Joffrey is getting poison but he lives and he is more crazy than ever . They show will have been so much better . Imagine he see them all as enemies he is taking heads he don´t even listen Tywin . And is order to have Joffrey and Tywin he must stay alive as well ( i mean Tywin )

[@MermaidCat26]

“Dont even go near my ear holes!”

[@skeetercreek6455]

I love the transition from tywin rocking foundations, to 9/11 steel beams, back to the tension with tywin. I can't get enough of these guys

[@BasedUnionRep]

Joffrey never dying: Based ✅

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Thank you Based Union Rep

[@fire1655]

So he’s definitely going to leverage the situation to get Jamie back at his heir it’s just too good of a opportunity for him to let that pass in any situation. So you can count on him doing some shit there. As far as handling Tyrion personally, being as politically clever as he is, I think there is the small chance that he can somehow worm an exile into Joffrey’s brain. It gets those two as far away from each other as possible by being not being on the same continent, and, this is the big one. It puts a person who he can manipulate into certain situations if he does it right in close proximity to Daenerys. Who can spy as long as they keep playing out the situation that Tyrion poisoned the king. I honestly believe that Tywin sooner or later, would have had Joffrey killed to put Tommen on the throne anyway, he was just way too unpredictable and as soon as a Joffrey is off the leash, you’re not getting him back on it. Pretend to send Tyrion up to the wall with some other dwarf, but actually sent him to a Essos to spy promise to make him Lord of the storm lands, or something like that if he can convincingly worm his way into Daenerys, his closest advisers, and possibly even manufacturer a way to kill the dragons and take away her biggest power. I mean it’s not the first time you see dragons that are chained up being vulnerable to humans that come in large numbers. Kill two of them and she only has one that can be taken out a lot easier with scorpions. Then have a Joffrey killed, and “pardon” Tyrion after finding some new evidence that proves his innocence. This is way too long and I thought way too much about this, but it’s definitely a path he could go down .

[@calisoki6098]

Probably my new favorite GOT, Song of Ice and Fire channel. All vids have been fun to watch

[@DAWAXFAX]

joffrey was mad that his grandad was a legit gigachad told him one line "the king is tired"

[@xSavedSoulx]

Imagine if he had a redemption arc

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Man that would be a master class in writing

[@TheCmascagni]

Uncle Peter would find a way to get Lord Robin on the throne.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

We need to do that What if

[@TheCmascagni]

@@OurHiltsHurt please….superchats the entire what if for Lord Robin!!!!

[@BradleyMoen-Hamm]

I think Tywin would want to keep Tyrion alive. He hates his son but he recognizes his intelligence as an asset and Tywin would probably be loathed to lose that if there was another choice.

[@georgeprchal3924]

Tywin would send Tommen to The Rock to train under his uncle Jaime, arguably the greatest swordsman, and his wise and clever uncles Kevan and Tyrion to become the ultimate Chad Lannister. Then when Joffrey become truculent Tywin brings Tommen back to Kings Landing. Joffrey: Why is Tommen here? Tywin: To remind the realms just how many grandsons I have. Joffrey: Are you threatening me grandfather? Tywin: Absolfuckinglutely I'm threatening you.

[@Big_JZ_77]

Hopefully in this timeline craster survives 😊

[@OurHiltsHurt]

He never dies….

[@j84martinez44]

Where's the fookin' Craster video?!

[@anniebot_45-73]

if, for whatever reason, tywin wanted to stop tyrion from being excuted, i reckon he'd argue that "if tyrion is sent to the wall, his abuse of alcohol won't be tolerated, and so he'd be forced to sober up. he would be forced to work to earn his keep, the food is so awful that even maggots won't touch it, and there isn't a single woman for a hundred miles. if you want to torture tyrion, that's how you do it."

[@kvas6255]

“Crastor is coming, words of our channel” 🤣🤣

[@MrGizturk]

Earholes must always be kept safe

[@cuzimacoder]

Tywin may make a move to have Joffrey die shortly after. Blaming It on the poisoning, he would prefer Tommen as King, much easier to mold and control.

[@Kapnkrunch18]

If Joffrey lives but loses his voice, I guarantee that Tywin would use that to directly put himself as Regent, since Joffrey couldn’t verbalize commands. He could lock Joffrey away to keep him controlled, and do whatever he pleased from that point onward.

[@lemonwho9895]

Is your name a parody of hills alive Also loving the content you two have so much knowledge it's insane high end video as usual and your both so easy on the ears

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Naw. We arnt a parody of her. Got no beef or ill will towards her. Thanks for the love though 🙏

[@amiryousef2153]

For your next vid, can you do "What if Edmure Tully followed orders and lured the mountain into the west" atleast half the characters would still be alive, even priest thorus (assuming s7 happens)

[@Manterok]

Borris Blount, made the King's taster because he let Tyrion's guards take Tommen, without a fight, instead of dying to defend him lol. And he got that appointment after Joffrey died.

[@vixey4728]

Don't forget that not only was it a massive turd that would've rocked the tower, but it was a massive GOLD turd. Tywin lLannister shits gold

[@c_hanley]

The King was tired. That’s why he choked.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Lol

[@noratheweeb9387]

Tywin just had Tyrion marry Sansa. He'd 100% prevent Jeffery from killing him. He just got a good political move with a Stark married to a Lannister, without the crime being to the point of Kingslaying, he wouldn't allow him to die. That said, to satisfy Joffery, he'd probably say that Tyrion would get sent to the wall. Maybe. That or he'd demand an investigation. Tywin isn't stupid but also doesn't tolerate Joffery's bullshit, he would very quickly get Joffery on a leash. Or try to, at least.

[@jrsam21]

Tywin would eventually have enough of Joffrey and decide to kill him himself.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Honestly could happen

[@johnmorris1009]

Ok, before watching the video, i'll give my version of what might have happened. Oberyn makes a plot to murder Tywin Lannister and the mountain. His visit to kings landing reignited his passion to see them dead. He would have succeded. Tyrion would would have been blamed for being in collusion with him, by joffrey and cersei. He is imprisoned, freed by Jaime and escapes to essos. He eventually joins with dany, as actually happened anyway. Sansa would still have been rescued by Baelish and events would have played out in a similar way. Joffrey would've prevented the sparrows taking power and tried to have dany assasinated. Upon her sailing to dragonstone, he would have set a trap to arrest her and tyrion at the dragonpit talks. Danys army would have laid seige to kings landing and eventually wiped out the lannister army, afted hearing heir queen and hand had been tortured and executed by joffrey. Joff is murdered by Dany's soldiers and the Tyrells manage to surrender and change sides, pleading for mercy. The Martells and Tyrells are best positioned to put a ruler on the iron throne, and the dothraki are given land (although they run riot across the countryside, as they did in Essos, staying as a nomadic people. Dany's dragons go wild and fly away. Jon snow negotiates peace with the new powers in kings landing. The dead reach the wall, but cannot break through it, as they have no dragon. Euron conducts raids on his niece's and nephews stolen iron fleet, with his new iron fleet and eventually defeats them. But his following invasions of westeros are repelled by kings landing and by the north.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Not a bad situation. Right off the hop I tend to think oberyn wouldn't try anything in such a high security environment after everyone is on high alert from the attempt on Joffery, but you never know!

[@johnmorris1009]

@@OurHiltsHurt Ah, i didn't consider you had the attempt on joffreys life as still having taken place. Nevertheless, I still think Oberyn would have found a way, or maybe Ellaria might have taken it upon herself to do it for him.

[@derekmann8239]

Two minutes into the video of a channel I recently discovered “You wanna know what my most sacred hole is?” 🤣

[@RhmnLego]

This channel should be called Game of Bros. I mean it in a good way

[@beauch1119]

“His Baratheon blood flexes and out alphas the poison”. Except that he doesn’t have Baratheon blood.

[@darksaintcj]

If Tywin could send Geoffrey to bed without supper, he can make a trail

[@Heligoland360]

6:50 No, no. Tywin asked why Ned was still alive, to which Jaime responded that it wouldn't be clean. This gets Tywin to go on a tirade about lions and sheep and not caring what others think, but then he follows up with "I suppose I should be grateful that your vanity got in the way of your recklessness." He is grateful that Jaime didn't kill Ned, indeed that would've been stupid, he just thinks that Jaime spared Ned for the wrong reasons.

[@STATUS_AW0L]

You guys are fun to listen to, I personally view stannis as my favorite of the 5 kings and the rightful one cause he follows the line of succession and how he is as a commander. The boltons I favor as a house before knowing your channel existed, I view them as a house that is the physical embodiment of the rains of castamere (next to Tywin being in any room), final two things would you ever do a cover of house dondarrian, and for shits and giggles a drinking game anytime you 1 mention craster 2 “unsubscribe and we’ll block you” 3 Karen in the north 4 bald boy

[@klaudiabiela3234]

I think that Tywin did not really push Oberyn more in the topic of poisoning Joffrey because he knew it was Olenna and he knew why she did that. He still needed Tyrells so he could not accuse them publicly and he also gain on Joffrey dying more power over king so if he wouldn't die he would have time and influence to handle Tyrells later.

[@Platerpus7]

I know one thing if he lived we would have never had the boring bullshit with the sparrows. He would have killed them all

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Maybe based Joffrey... Although we are followers of the Seven on this channel

[@douglasgibson1803]

There is peace forever if Joffrey is alive

[@rotmggu1245]

I got the perfect video idea for y'all, you guys should try to defend Maegor's reign. I don't get why y'all haven't made a video on the chad of chads yet, Stannis' ancestor clearly.

[@Samiii90210]

AMAZING CONTENT GUYS

[@OurHiltsHurt]

May the Seven bless you and shower you with happy endings

[@OnlyTrueProletariat]

Hey i know you guys have already done an oberyn martell is a baddy video so this might of been covered (haven't watched yet), still could you do a gregor clegane is actually a freedom fighter type video, cheers 🤙

[@CaptainRandus]

Tywin would recommend the investigation be done to show the King in a good light to the citizens, as Tywin knows that citizens can and will Rebel, and will convince Joffrey to let the investigation happen. Just like when Tywin sent Joffrey to bed without supper. As time goes on, Tywin will eventually realize that Joffrey is a threat to his legacy, and have him removed in some dirty political scheme Cersei will do everything she can to influence the investigation, and I think due to Tyrion knowing this he still flees and meets Dany.

[@Chris-do2ls]

So, your ears are your most sacred holes? Does that mean the other ones are open for traffic? Asking for a friend😅

[@sheltongarygarygary]

Great video!

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Hey thanks. We really apricate it

[@Revan2002]

Where can we watch more epic seinfeld GOT/HOTD clips?

[@OurHiltsHurt]

We will post them slowly, I have like 5 more I think rn

[@TM42410]

Joffrey Robert Kennedy after the poison

[@vampirefrompluto9788]

11:20 If Cersei did try to re-arm the faith militant with Tywin still around what do you think he'd do? Would he force her back to Casterly Rock, marry her to a Tyrell, or what?

[@OurHiltsHurt]

I'd say most likely scenario is send her back to C(r)asterly rock. That move would be so insane that Tywin would probably swear her off as too dangerous to be anywhere close to real power.

[@ZorcTheDarkOnex]

Joffrey will realize his real enemies are the friends he made along the way.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Joffrey would have solved the millennium puzzle in half the time it took Yugi. Shadi would find him worthy of the eye and the scale as well. The true king of games 🙏🏻

[@crunchmcm8780]

Personally, I would have liked to see him go on trial and face real justice. I'm dissapointed that he is never questioned for his crimes and that Sansa never gets the chance to question Joffrey about everything bad he did, I have it where instead of poision, he's given asshai magic that will teleport him to the wall, and he is then confronted by Jon snow and Aemon Targaryen.

[@Hornet9000]

How come more people aren’t subscribing 😢😢😢 Need the Craster video so bad.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

WE NEED THE SUBS TO FUEL US FOR THE VID

[@huggalon]

Tyrion was the intended target of the poison not Joffrey. Littlefinger has been trying to get Tyrion killed since the start.

[@seanowheels]

7:20 for sure, he claims Tyrion as his rightful heir, sends Joffrey, Cersei, Jamie and Tommen to the wall, and then installs Tyrion on the iron throne, right?

[@darkestknightbrightestlich4690]

Joffrey the gentle had massive plans for Westeros, he would have reformed the kings army into a professional force not relying on peasants with pitchforks. The night king and Daenerys would have no chance.

[@marioaguilar4375]

Tyrion would be blamed for sure. Trial by combat would be allowed. Tyrion would win. However, Tyrion become Joffreys official food taster as a punishment allowing Joffrey to continue torture Tyrion

[@Rafael-kl2ts]

screaming in bed is a tully racial passive

[@AnthonyDeeYT]

I don't think Jeoffrey sends him to the wall. It's still to close and he wants to send a message that it's his decision. I think he exiles Tyrion and sends him on a dingy across the Narrow Sea.

[@beckjayjohn5781]

Tywin isn't stupid he had his suspicion on who it was and just followed cercei because you can't just scream blame in a wedding full of powerful lords and lady and all the other attendees and then go "oh no it was actually this other guy" tywin put tyrion on trial because he still needs the tyrells and to convince jaime to become his heir again so tywin would do his own investigation in the shadows while in public there trying tyrion for the poisoning because if it was tyrion and this is something tywin would never admit but tyrion would have suceeded because he is smart so tywin would probably put more focus on getting margeary pregnant and believe the culprit of the poisoning to be an amateur

[@geegee7036]

I think it will be something like what Brandon rivers (three eyed R) did , agreeing to send him to the wall then send assassins after him .

[@gaiusmariuscaesar]

I'm rewatching game of thrones and joffery just died watching sam and gilly talking about her going to moles town, some weird events here.

[@thekittenthatwantschicken8018]

joffery gets bored of margery and starts abusing her and possibly killing her tensions between joffery and twyin go to an all time high. I wouldnt be surprised if joffery removed tywin as hand of the king and puts yes man mace in place.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Who else could be his hand if Tywin is gone and Mace doesn’t take it?

[@nont18411]

So a parallel to Aegon II🤔

[@nont18411]

@@OurHiltsHurt Probably Littlefinger

[@thekittenthatwantschicken8018]

@@OurHiltsHurt anyone that is a yes man in jofferys eyes.

[@johnnycage112]

YOU CAN'T OFF THE JOFF!

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Man I really wish that was true

[@shawnhoelscher1440]

I would personally be interested in seeing you guys dish on what if Ramsey Bolton won The Battle of the Bastards

[@nathanielstacy4488]

He & his Mother both get rested alive & Fed to Danerys Dragons.

[@TH3DUDE0075]

Season 4 was where a lot of the cracks started to appear. There were still a ton of great scenes, but they served to cover up where the show was beginning to deviate so much from the books and shit the bed.

[@Dill_dough20]

can next one be “what if the night walkers won?” Please please 😊

[@el0quinn]

26:40 im just imagining betty draper yelling at bobby

[@RealRogalDorn]

I think Tywin, Tyrion and Joffrey would head to Applebees and hash it out before acting rashly.

[@TheCmascagni]

In show, Iron Bank gives Stannis gold before Tywin dies.

[@Cyanduck485]

Certified bust worthy video

[@OurHiltsHurt]

The highest praise

[@movieloverfan18]

Olenna said she didn't know what the strangler did. I think she would have wanted a different poison, one more survivable. Tywin needed to find someone guilty and Cersei told Everyone it was Tyrion. That is fine with Tywin, Tyrion can be the scapegoat. But not executed I think it was always his plan to send him to the Wall, and then elected Lord Commander so the Lannisters can have power in the North.

[@joeygula581]

Kevan Lannister is very underutilized on the TV show

[@tommyone9780]

Joff would have gone Sparrow hunting with his crossbow.