What If Lisa Lisa Died Instead Of Caesar? JJBA What If?

[@VampireStraizo]

Messina timeline whenever you get the chance, take your time.

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

Ok the timeline. Skipping Part 2 BTW, since nothing changed there, but maybe Messina trains on his hamon or something, IDK how but somehow is in SDC now. Part 3: So IMO, Messina will be with Caesar, Julius, and Rose (BTW, Julius and Rose call Messina Uncle Messina instead.) but IMO, Julius will take Avdol's place against Jotaro which would be more competitive, but Julius would actually try to continue the fight with Jotaro only for Rose to stop the fight. Julius Rose will also be with Jotaro when he goes to school, and Julius will be in the Kakyoin fight where that mostly goes the same. I think Caesar and Rose would help Kakyoin against Towar Of Gray but Caesar gets hit in the mouth instead with Rose only focusing on Kakyoin instead which makes Caesar jealous. Polnareff vs Avdol would go the same IMO. Dark Blue Moon and Strength go the same. I personally would have Messina go against Devo in the spot of Polnareff TBH. I can see Julius and Rose with Jotaro, Anne, and fake Kakyoin or maybe it's one of Caesar's grandkids that's the fake? (Side note, imagine if Caesar heard Julius or Rose was a traitor? That be sad for him.) Caesar joins Polnareff and Kakyoin in the Hol Horse and J Geil fight, and Avdol still "dies" against Hol Horse. Joseph vs Nena goes the same. Julius and Messina can play a role against ZZ Top probably. Rose would replace Jotaro in defeating Enya, with Polnareff and Hol Horse stuff going the same. Stealy Dan mostly goes the same but with Julius and Rose helping out. Rose and Caesar should be useful against The Sun due to them both using water, but Rose and Julius also laugh at the rock, while Caesar and Messina are confused with Joseph. Death 13 mostly goes the same, but Caesar probably wants Rose and Kakyoin to not be near each other anytime soon probably. Judgment goes the same including Avdol's return. High Priestess goes the same. N'doul mostly goes the same, but maybe instead Caesar or Julius can take Polnareff's spot in getting Kakyoin injured to add more drama with the Zeppeli family vs Kakyoin thing? RIP N'doul BTW. Julius will replace Polnareff in the Oingo Boingo Brothers, and Messina and Caesar can tag along. Julius is in the Anubis and Alessi arc's. Caesar and Messina are with Joseph and Avdol in the Mariah arc. Older Darby goes the same, but I can see Caesar and/or Messina losing a bet to Darby before Jotaro gets the W. Hol Horse and Boingo also goes the same. Pet Shop Goes the same to, including Kakyoin and Rose return. Julius and Rose go with Jotaro, Joseph, and Kakyoin, and I'd have Julius die to Younger Darby instead of Kakyoin, because honestly, that ruined Kakyoin's return. Kenny G goes the same. Vanilla Ice would kill Messina instead of Avdol I think, and Avdol and Caesar should be able to carry the fight, so Iggy would get to live. The Dio fight starts off the same, but Caesar goes with Joseph instead of Kakyoin, Kakyoin, Avdol, and Rose go together, and Julius and Iggy go with Polnareff and Jotaro. Caesar dies revealing The World's power in the place of Kakyoin, and everything else mostly goes the same, but I would have Avdol, Polnareff, Kakyoin, Iggy, Julius, and Rose show up at the end and watch Dio die to Jotaro, and Joseph is also resurrected still. Part 4: Kakyoin will be in the start of the part with Jotaro, so he gets to meet Koichi and Josuke. IMO, Kakyoin can help with the Aqua Necklace fight, but this was basically Josuke doing all the work, so nothing would really change except Kakyoin watches Angelo turn into a rock as well. The Nijimara brothers through Tonio arc would remain unchanged, except Kakyoin can maybe join Jotaro in the arc with Hazumada. For the Red Hot Chili Pepper arc, I would have Avdol go in the place of the random Speedwagon Foundation Employee, and he tells Jotaro about Joseph's arrival and Avdol would stay around to help against Akira. IMO, nothing would really change, except that Okuyasu would stay with Josuke and Koichi instead, while Kakyoin and Avdol go with Jotaro. IMO, Akira is still defeated but would be defeated faster since Okuyasu can aid Josuke, so Joseph doesn't almost die. After that, Joseph would be doing more since he would have continued his hamon training, so him and Josuke have there arc, and I would also have Rose come in the story and maybe give her and Kakyoin a arc together where they go on a date or something. Rohan and the rat arcs should go the same IMO, and I think that Kakyoin and Rose can be in the Reimi arc. Shigechi's arc goes the same with Josuke and Okuyasu, and I think that Rose, Kakyoin, and Avdo can show up in the Cinderella arc, with Rose basically telling Yukako off for basically kidnapping Koichi, and I think her, Kakyoin, and Avdol can be in the mall when Koichi and Yukako kiss, and instead I think Koichi can go to Kakyoin for relationship advice, with Avdol also here instead of Josuke and Okuyasu. For Kira's first arc, Shigechi still finds Kira on accident and dies IMO, and Kakyoin would have Rose leave since he doesn't trust her with a serial killer on the loose, but I think Kakyoin and Avdol can join Jotaro and Koichi in the SHA battle, but I think Avdol gets taken out with Jotaro early on, and Kakyoin would be with Koichi, so gets to see Echoes Act 3, but I think Kakyoin would go against Kira instead, which wouldn't be one-sided like the Koichi fight, but Kira would win by donuting Kakyoin instead, but Kakyoin would reveal Kira's identity to Koichi and Kira would knock out Koichi after that. But everything with Jotaro goes the same, and Kira would make his escape IMO since I think he'd be able to escape before Avdol or Kakyoin can restrain him, but Aya and Kosoku would still die regardless. So IMO, I'd have Avdol or Kakyoin take Jotaro's place against Kira's dad TBH but that's it TBH. Another change is that I would have Avdol and Joseph in the fight against Superfly, and Kakyoin in the Enigma arc. But I don't think the final half of DIU would really change, except that Joseph, Avdol, and Kakyoin would be present for the remainder of the last bit of the story. But IMO, Avdol and Kakyoin are both gonna survive DIU IMO.

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

Part 5: I think Avdol can go to Italy, and he can bring Josuke, Okuyasu, and Rohan as well as Koichi, since Avdol takes the idea of Dio's son much more seriously. But Rohan is there when Koichi first meets Giorno, so Giorno still scams them, and that's really it. Josuke and Okuyasu can meet Frito (I'll put him in the story personally.) but I think that everything with Josuke and Okuyasu vs Frito goes the same, so Frito steals there stuff. Everything with Giorno vs Bruno goes the same, and basically everything else, including Giorno joining Team Bucciarati, but Avdol and the Morioh Warriors join, and Frito is forced to join since Avdol wants to keep an eye on him because of him stealing from the people here. IMO, I think Avdol would be with Bruno and Abbacchio in the Soft Machine arc where he would be useful by doing what he did against Kenny G, so he helps out (plus with Bruno's zippers, it makes tracking down enemies a lot better, so Bruno and Avdol can make a powerful team.) Sale vs Mista also goes the same. Koichi and Narancia will fight Formaggio together IMO, and I don't think to much will change. Josuke and Okuyasu replace Abbacchio in the Illusio fight, and Okuyasu will be with Fugo inside of the mirror world and Josuke would take Abbacchio's place in losing a hand against Illusio, but that's really it for that battle. Fruit gets his own enemy fight IMO since why now. Avdol and Bruno would work together to defeat Prusotto and Pesci IMO. Giorno vs Melone goes the same (gross Stand BTW.) Josuke can be with Giorno and Mista against White Album, and I think Josuke will help out a lot when it comes to Mista's injuries, but Giorno does steal Mista's kill against Giacho, and instead of Mista, it's Josuke who Giorno heals in *THAT* scene (poor Narancia in this timeline...) but Bruno vs Diavolo still happens IMO, so Bruno becomes half alive/half dead still, but Fugo will join the team in this timeline since Avdol would tell Fugo about how he ran away from Dio awhile back. Squalo and Tiziono will go after Rohan instead, and I think Fugo and Narancia can help Rohan out, and I'd have Narancia kill one of them, while Fugo kills the other one. Frito gets another enemy arc BTW. The Notorious BIG arc goes the same, but I think Fugo can use his virus to kill BIG in this timeline. Risotto vs Doppio goes the same, so Risotto still dies, and Abbacchio also dies but it will be Frito's fault instead, so he can get his character development. Cioccolata and Secco are still here, and there out for blood because they are legit psycho's, but I think Frito and Fugo can help Giorno and Mista against Cioccolata, and Avdol can help Bruno against Secco, and I'd add another member to fight Josuke, Okuyasu, Koichi, and Rohan, but they probably are a nurse instead maybe (because Cioccolata is a doctor and Secco is the patient.). I think I would have Giorno's beat down be 3.5 pages instead, and half the final 3.5 be done by Fugo since he was originally supposed to die to the 7 page Muda instead. Secco is also still killed, but by Avdol instead, who wouldn't be against killing someone pure evil like Secco IMO. But everything goes the same with Bruno and Doppio, but Avdol would try to save Bruno but get hurt. I think Julius and Iggy will be with Polnareff in this timeline, and everything with Diavolo goes the same, and Polnareff is still stuck in Coco Jumbo, but I would have Avdol sacrifice himself for Frito to live, and Iggy would save Narancia but would die later on. IMO, Bruno still dies stopping Chariot Requiem, and Giorno gets GER and puts Diavolo in the death loop still. Part 6: Honestly, everything basically goes the same as I said in the video, but Julius can be in the part. But IMO, Ermes dies earlier so FF can live, Weather still dies, Okuyasu dies saving Koichi from C-Moon, Foo Fighters dies to C-Moon as well, Rikiel can turn good but he dies to MIH Pucci, and Joseph can sacrifice himself so Jotaro can kill Pucci. Jotaro, Julius, Rose, and Kakyoin live IMO since they aren't here much, Josuke, Koichi, and Rohan almost die but they all survive, Jolyne lives since she's the JoJo, Emporio already survived the canon so he's safe, Tenmei's parents save him from death, and Josuke is around to heal Anasui since I think he would have a strong enough will for Josuke to save him from the attack, and Jotaro lives because Anasui is still around to save him. So survivors and casualties IG. Part 2: Deaths: Mark, Loggins, and Lisa Lisa. Survivors: Joseph, Caesar, and Messina. Part 3: Deaths: Messina and Caesar. Survivors: Joseph, Jotaro, Avdol, Julius, Rose, Kakyoin, Polnareff, and Iggy. Part 4: Deaths: Keichō, Shigechi, Aya, and Kosoku. Survivors: Joseph, Jotaro, Avdol, Rose, Kakyoin, Josuke, Koichi, Okuyasu, and Rohan. Part 5: Deaths: Abbacchio, Avdol, Iggy, and Bruno. Survivors: Julius, Josuke, Koichi, Okuyasu, Rohan, Giorno, Frito, Mista, Fugo, Narancia, and Trish. No Plastic Straws Nearby: Polnareff. Part 6: Deaths: Ermes, Weather Report, Okuyasu, FF, Rikiel, and Joseph. Survivors: Jotaro, Julius, Rose, Kakyoin, Josuke, Koichi, Rohan, Jolyne, Emporio, Tenmei, and Anasui.

[@juanitageouge8095]

Cool concept for a video.

[@necolawebster9505]

You should do what if mokoto naegi died instea of mukuro ikusaba (danganronpa)

[@VanillalceCreamJoJo]

What should’ve happened…

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

Caesar's death still triggers me, especially because people always hype it up as the best. He honestly had one of (if not) the worst JoJo death, and I definitely would take Lisa Lisa dying, because I think it would cause more growth onto Joseph and Caesar. Plus, I can see Caesar being the one who calls Lisa Lisa an idiot before he breaks down, keeping his cocky nature up to Joseph, and that would probably be where Caesar's character development starts becoming a thing. But IYO, I do wonder what you think about the timeline after you get done with the video?

[@VanillalceCreamJoJo]

@@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573 It’s a great video and Caesar definitely deserved to live over Lisa Lisa (Lisa Lisa not caring about Caesar until Joseph told her to do so is one of the reasons I hate her (George II is my primary reason)) but it’s a great timeline but the only bad thing about it is George II is probably omitted from the story since Speedwagon likely doesn’t bring up the story about him to Smokey since it would be Caesar injured from Kars instead and I don’t see any reason for George II to be brought up there. But it’s a great timeline and I still very much hate Lisa Lisa to this day lmao.

[@IceEpikFace]

George II glazer has arrived

[@VanillalceCreamJoJo]

@@IceEpikFace What the hell? 💀

[@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573]

​​@@VanillalceCreamJoJo Question, do you think Caesar would react to Lisa Lisa's death the same way or nah? I think he would, since Caesar did kind of had a cold personality, plus he would probably be angry if Lisa Lisa basically got in his way. But I think he'd be angry about it, but would start to feel emotional about it like how Lisa Lisa did in the canon because Joseph probably puts Caesar in his place probably. Also, IYO, any issues with Caesar dying in the spot of Kakyoin or are you cool with that?