What If Marvel Vs Capcom 2 Had 3rd Strike Characters?

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@GohLow 6 ай бұрын

What's your team in MVC2?

@cosmogang 6 ай бұрын

Ruby Heart, Iceman, Thanos

@ILikeKirbys 6 ай бұрын

Mega Man / Jin / Cyclops, 20 years later and still I love Mega Man and the giant robot punch man

@icemarvel0791 6 ай бұрын

Cyclops/tron/cable

@swaggod1 6 ай бұрын

strider jill doom

@AugustForger 6 ай бұрын

Spider-Man/Ruby Heart/Blackheart

@TheSeventhForce 6 ай бұрын

I've never, nor will I ever care for Remy, but I always wondered how he'd fare in a fighting game whose universal mechanics didn't hate his existence.

@GohLow 6 ай бұрын

Yeah he has all the right tools for his setup to work, just in the exact wrong game. Watching top Remys force-of-will the character to be Rushdown-Guile is wild.

@DoomsayerStudios 6 ай бұрын

I would've put him in SF6 as the resident Guile function. I like Guile but when he was revealed for 6 I was like, "but Remy was RIGHT THERE"

@GohLow 6 ай бұрын

@@DoomsayerStudios You're right! Remy feels way more SF6 than Guile does

@squallleonhart9387 6 ай бұрын

@@DoomsayerStudios Bro Remy would’ve been sick in SF6, I also don’t care for E.Honda and would replace him with another character who deserves a second chance.

@neonthunder3261 6 ай бұрын

I have always cared about Remy as he's the first character I ever "mained" in a fighting game but yeah it'd be nice to see him NOT in 3s

@ClexYoshi 6 ай бұрын

there are literally so many franchises that could have been represented in MVC2 that don't get a chance to shine, but at the same time, there's unbelievably deep cuts like Sonson and Hayato from Star Gladiator/Plasma Sword. If I had to guess, the most likely reason to shy away from any of the CPS3 characters is because although Naomi is some pretty strong hardware, it already had to heavily compromise the fidelity of animations on most of the returning CotA and MSH characters. This would be EXTREMELY apparent if they did this to any of the Red Earth or SF3 characters without severe resprites, and they clearly weren't ready for those until Yun showed up in CVS2. honestly, though, if I wanted any character from SF3 in Marvel Vs. Capcom, it'd probably be Gill since he already REALLY gives off Adam Warlock vibes and meteor strike would already make for for a pretty good DHC. also having Side-specific assists would be WILD.

@brandonwilliams6119 6 ай бұрын

Hell Breath of Fire didn’t even get a character and we almost got on in MVC3, some of the Special Partners in MVC1 would’ve been cool like Arthur, or Jubilee for the Marvel side.

@CoolGuyZool129 6 ай бұрын

Not to mention Jotaro was considered for Marvel 2 supposedly at the request of Araki after he saw an in development build and thought the asset reuse was interesting. The devs really wanted it but the series director was still fearful over Marvel's reaction to Norimaro and forbad it.

@austinreed7343 6 ай бұрын

With Ibuki or Tessa they could have cheated by using the Pocket Fighter versions specifically.

@ImJohnnyMajor 6 ай бұрын

Apparently Gill was supposed to be in MvC3 if you believe the Reddit post

@DintheAbary 6 ай бұрын

MvC2 was mostly an asset dump with all street fighters using Alpha sprites. I feel like that was a huge factor too compared to CvS2, where the majority of the characters already had new sprites. The characters you picked for this would have been really cool, though.

@tomsantos9448 6 ай бұрын

Ibuki was such a no-brainer I'll never understand why she's never been in the series. I used to think it was an art style thing and how everyone is from SF Alpha but then I remembered Ryu was sporting his SF3 look in MvC1, so they could've done it if they wanted to

@squallleonhart9387 6 ай бұрын

I’m imagining the dynamics between SF3 and the Marvel Characters, Ibuki meeting Psylocke would’ve been cool since they’re both Ninjas, Tweleve and Venom morphing their limbs into weapons, Oro showing Magneto how strong he is and the fact that he can fight with objects too and with only One Hand too!

@iggydadawg9712 6 ай бұрын

She was almost in Tatsunoko vs Capcom. Maybe one day it'll work out

@youngemu3949 6 ай бұрын

No he wasn’t. He was using his Alpha sprites, they just recolored him.

@tomsantos9448 6 ай бұрын

@@youngemu3949 yeah that's why I said his SF3 look and not SF3 sprite (meaning he had the red bandana and meets up with Sean in his ending) I thought it was a lore thing. But if they were willing to tweak Ryu before, they could've tweaked the SF3 cast if necessary. I'm sure they wouldn't care about sprite clash since their other VS games had that

@Gamersgoinblind 6 ай бұрын

An example of how Makoto could work despite her slow movement would be Polimar from Tatsunoko vs Capcom.

@faceheadman 6 ай бұрын

Fighting evolution really showcases that the sf3 sprites are not the same size as the mvc ones and clash heavily with that serie's style, Still if they could rework them it would have been neat

@D3Vlicious 6 ай бұрын

Aegis wouldn't be as strong in MvC2 simply because the 3S unlockables wouldn't exist. MvC2 requires that you only block away from the point character and not towards every projectile. In addition, MvC2's suite of hidden defensive mechanics (push block guard cancel, push block unblockable protection, etc.) would actually be better suited to dealing with Aegis pressure the same way they nearly invalidated most chip/trap teams outside of Clockw0rk or Duc when players figured the mechanics out.

@DoomsayerStudios 6 ай бұрын

If Q were in MVC2 I'd main the hell out of him

@brandonwilliams6119 6 ай бұрын

I’m glad I’m not the only one that found this weird, here’s a fun fact, in MVC1 in one of Ryu’s start of a battle entrances you can clearly see Sean along with Ken, I’m not kidding they actually made a CPS-2 Sprite for Sean for a freaking character intro but didn’t bother to repurpose and give it animations for MVC2, as much as we have enough shotos I’d still like to see Sean, but your choices are still great, my other 2 choices would be Ibuki and Oro as well but I’d also like to squeeze Alex in there too he was marketed as the protagonist of Street Fighter 3, if we ever do get an MVC4 I expect Luke to be in there with how hard Capcom is pushing him too.

@gc3k 6 ай бұрын

Adjusting the 3S characters around MvC, or redrawing them, might have been beyond the scope of the MvC2 project. I remember reading that by 2001, almost all of Capcom's 1990s sprite artists either left the company or moved to another division. That's why CvS2's Japanese packaging card says "2d will never die," because, Capcom's 2d sprite division was all but dead at that point

@eternal0star 6 ай бұрын

It’s pretty much just an art style and technological issue. SF3 chars don’t match the more colorful look of marvel. There are waaaaay more frames of animation in sf3. Yun and stands out a lot in CvS2, just like the new Bison and Chun sprites. Advantage is that at least they have similar proportions to the SNK cast to help balance out this dichotomy. I do think Charlie should have been cut in favor of either Guy, Rose or Cody. Rose especially would have been a natural fit for Marvel 2 with soul illusion. Also the only marvel 2 character with a reflect could be interesting. She’d be a fly character or at least 8 way dash and have a teleport

@squallleonhart9387 6 ай бұрын

You wanna know what’s funny? Remember Street Fighter X Megaman? Even that game had 3rd Strike representation with Urien and even Alpha with Rose, Final Fight with Rolento, and SF4 with C. Viper, if they were to ever make a sequel I wonder what characters from SF5 and SF6 they would put in a hypothetical SFxMM2, I know for sure we’d get Luke specifically the SF6 version. That sounds like a good video idea too I’d love to see it.

@phantomgamer4463 5 ай бұрын

SF X Mega Man is a fan game by the way

@goldglovegrappler1382 6 ай бұрын

I don't get the fascination with Yun being the 3S rep for CvS2 and A3MAX, or why he got ordained to be the intentionally broken character in 4AE, while Alex had to wait until TvC and Gill is on Marvel 3's cutting room floor. You just know Marvel 2 Geneijin would get some insane property since chains already exist universally.

@GohLow 6 ай бұрын

Yeah I never got the Yun hype either. He's not an interesting character. How did he become Capcom's favorite SF3 character; it's absurd.

@squallleonhart9387 6 ай бұрын

@@GohLowFor real he’s about as interesting as your Random NPC

@Magnet_Chaos 6 ай бұрын

@@GohLow It's the hat.

@Killer_Bee06 6 ай бұрын

Iryo on this since he's my favorite from the SF3 games 😅

@jamescopping2231 6 ай бұрын

Oro would actually be amazing in a Marvel Vs Capcom game tbh

@hreowan 6 ай бұрын

> Remove Sakura Yeeeeeeah, no. As a Sakura main in MVC2, she doesn't play entirely the same with the other shotos unless you transform into Dark Sakura. But I do agree to some extent that MVC2 needed a bit more diversity since they already jacked up the number of playable characters. The ones you mentioned sound viable enough, but I do wanna see Dudley in a Capcom vs fighting game.

@wizardofooze554 6 ай бұрын

what if dudley had his thunderbolt attack and instead of taking a long startup he disappears for a split second then comes back crashing down the next split second with a pillar of lightning? Great anti air and best way to close the distance on projectiles

@GohLow 6 ай бұрын

That'd be awesome!

@captainmalice 6 ай бұрын

The team would be Ibuki, Oro, and Q. I think Q's Taunts would've been a super similar to Colossus.

@neonthunder3261 6 ай бұрын

Remy in MVC2 would be like what Charlie should've been. Honestly just give Charlie a qcb kick like Remy and I'd never stop playing him

@ninjahedgehog5 6 ай бұрын

maybe I missed it, but something else to consider when asking "why not?" is that the SF3 sprites stand out really hard from the vs series and alpha sprites. not just in apearance but in animation as the sf3 spritesheets are massive with thousands of frames that results in the game's god tier animation fluidity. Sure, they could've reduce or half the frames but then you get the capcom fighting jam appearance. Yes I know this argument falls apart if they decided to redraw the characters, especially since MVC2 adds a handful of newly spirited characters but the majority of MVC2 development was still reusing assets from past games.

@squallleonhart9387 6 ай бұрын

And yet we still got characters like Ruby Heart, Sonson, Amingo and even Marrow on the Marvel all of which didn’t have previous games to pull from, I wonder why they didn’t pull from the MVC1 Special Partners since some of those already had sprites they just needed animations but yeah I understand MVC2 was rushed port job.

@amosdeguzman9980 6 ай бұрын

@@squallleonhart9387 It's easier to make original characters than to resize new ones.

@Cozy90X 6 ай бұрын

I would love to see Twelve in MVC2.... or any new game as of recently.

@Burning_Typhoon 6 ай бұрын

No, video is flawed because MVC2 uses every regular cast member from previous games. Roll and Sakura were both in previous entries. The only viable character to remove on the Capcom side are the Servbots, since they're already paired with Tron.

@flimsfilms4755 6 ай бұрын

Immediately clicked off after he took Sakura out of mvc2

@CDages 6 ай бұрын

3rd Strike would not blend in with the rest of the entire roster's art direction. It would be a stark contrast between all the CPS2 produced sprites against near 1000+ frames of animated CPS3 character sprites of street fighter 3. Yun's appearance in CvS2 is proof of this, as he (alongside Chun) were essentially redrawn for that game. It would be a waste resource and time to do when Capcom has a near infinite pool of CPS2 produced characters to choose.

@SleepmodeKNB 6 ай бұрын

I think it’d be perfectly fine if Aegis was a lv1 super. You’ve gotta remember that one of the things that makes it so strong in 3S is the fact that it enables unblockables, but specifically the kind of unblockables that MVC2’s mechanics don’t allow for (otherwise everyone would be running sandwich oki with Tron assist), which means its strengths rest in combo extension and lockdown, in which case I think it’s probably weaker than something like Strider’s Ouroboros or Spiral’s Dancing Sword. EDIT: Okay I did forget the "reflector" part of Aegis reflector for a second, and that does change things slightly. For the most part I don't think it'd have too much of an impact, since I wouldn't imagine it could reflect beams, but it could potentially be insane counterplay against the exact examples I gave before. I still think it'd be okay as a lv1 in the context of the whole of Urien's kit, but it was worth mentioning. Also fwiw I think SF3 characters didn’t make it in for the same reason that Ryu, Ken et al didn’t get upgraded to their 3S sprites: what I imagine is a combo of wanting to avoid artistic mismatch (the CPS2 games were all adjacent to the Alpha artstyle) and the 3S characters probably having too many frames of animation to be practical for the game (note that this is why Thanos doesn’t have the infinity gems in his MVC2 sprite)

@SleepmodeKNB 6 ай бұрын

also we gotta stress test that fightcade connection some time brother! 😊

@gustavochavarria8161 5 ай бұрын

I'm not sure if you're aware but someone did made Urien as a mod for Marvel 3.

@aceg.rookie 6 ай бұрын

They’d have to cut like, 600 frames minimum for each character lol.

@sladevalen 6 ай бұрын

Lets go servbot mentioned! If i could add anyone id like to add Yang. While he is a very grounded fighter, assists would allow him to keep the air covered while he mixed you on the ground. Dive kicks, command grabs that lead to combos, Gen ai jin combos, and he wouldnt have Yun to overshadow him.

@PatchtheReaper99 5 ай бұрын

Seeing how much animation had to be stripped out of characters to get everything fitting into MvC2 (conpare Sentinels's idle animations in this game to what he had in CotA) I can only dread how much of the SF3 cast's frames would be ripped from them

@Atlas-hu9wk 6 ай бұрын

The thing is this was more like Marvel vs Street fighter alpha/ Dark Stalkers. Snk vs Cap felt more like regular Street fighter 2/3.

@swaggod1 6 ай бұрын

7:55 “just look at cammy one of justin wong’s favorites” not only is she one of his favorites but he managed to pilot her (along with his usual storm/sent) to an evo win in 2001! the only cammy player to do so!

@DeathAlchemist Ай бұрын

You know i heard Gill was gonna be playable in mvc 3, but was cut because his large stature made his fast movements awkward. Loved how you detailed the changes the various characters would have. One of my friends suggested giving Q an armor mechanic or something like that. I am partial to necro mainly because his backstory alligns with a lot of marvel characters. Only disagreement i would have is who to cut, but thats subjective anyways. Wouldnt mind seeing this kind of video for more fighting game series.

@austinreed7343 Ай бұрын

A sequel video could be “What if CvS2 had the other Capcom characters from MvC2?”

@deabreu.tattoo 6 ай бұрын

why the stretched image, tho 😭

@akxareth 6 ай бұрын

While the timeline for the games development dont line up perfectly, it wouldve been funny if Capcom had put Yang in MvC2 and included a super with Yun. That way he mirrors how Yun worked in CvS2. Plus having both twins in different crossover games would've been neat if nothing else.

@GohLow 6 ай бұрын

That would have been pretty cool

@bluekuma9310 6 ай бұрын

there’s a game called Capcom Universe and has Urien, Ibuki, Q, and Yang as the third strike representatives. So them and Alex are the only characters that makes sense to me.

@BaronWarthog 6 ай бұрын

I'd pick Q, Twelve, and Dudley. Please let Q be good. It's criminal that he and Twelve aren't.

@Taur-gk5dv 6 ай бұрын

I agree I want twelve to come back in another street fighter game or capcom vs game

@wm4993 6 ай бұрын

great video

@commonsense5199 6 ай бұрын

What Marvel characters do you wish that are in Marvel vs Capcom 2. Like seriously MVC2 got Bone Claw Wolverine and Marrow(I like Marrow) Rules are the Marvel Characters you wish for have to existed before 2000. My pick: Darkhawk Chamber Blade Nimrod Deathlok Firestar Yellowjacket(Rita Demara) 0:44 Slapstick as a bonus of weirdness.

@Killer_Bee06 6 ай бұрын

Blade would've been dope as hell 😭

@MalBlack-p5h 6 ай бұрын

I wonder how other SF characters would play in third strike like Cammy, T hawk, and FEI long

@GohLow 6 ай бұрын

There were plans for additions like that in a 4th SF3 entry, but the bad sales of 2I and 3rd Strike quashed that.

@ninjahedgehog5 6 ай бұрын

Q in MVC2 is just time outs waiting to happen.

@ILikeKirbys 6 ай бұрын

Makoto seems like an odd choice (she’s just so normal) but I could see it. Add Tanden Renki getting the Juggernaut glitch where she can pop it, leave and be red forever (and maybe make Oroshi an overhead that launches) and she’d be perfect. Twelve could be so cool. Give them a move where they summon an X-copy of one of the other team’s assists, make N.D.L. a low and hit a wider area, let D.R.A. cancel into an airdash, also let Twelve act much sooner during airdash, and make X.C.O.P.Y. a Level 3 that copies the entire enemy team to do their Triple Hyper Combination, potentially allowing Twelve to go in and mix someone while they block their own supers. Such a missed opportunity. Have N.D.L, A.X.E. & 5HK for assists, I think this could be something. Honestly I’d like to see Hugo in Marvel. He could have armor like Sentinel to make up for the loss of parries and act as the Gold Lightan to Sent’s PTX. Claps get a shockwave effect that widens their range and breaks projectiles, allow Ultra Throw to throw behind Hugo for getting-out-of-the-corner shenanigans, Monster Lariat gains a follow-up overhead elbow-drop that knocks down (but doesn’t have to be done, allowing potential ticks into Gigas Breaker), allow Hugo to do 4/6HK to pseudo-airdash with the air dropkick normal. Give him Ultra Throw, Shootdown Backbreaker and Meat Squasher for assists. And as for the likely Yun, he too could be cool… if they took inspiration from his clone days and had Yang team with him at all times, using Yang for separate specials, and a Level 3 where the twins pop Genei Jin & Seiei Enbu simultaneously and you get to control both of them at the same time for maximum crazy mix/combos. But then, I think any of the roster except Remy would be a solid choice, and even Remy probably has some cool sauce.