What If Pokemon Had ALL Their Abilities?

If Pokemon had all of their abilities activated at the same time, who would be the best and worst?
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[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

What are some other really good or bad Pokemon you can think of under this system? Let me know!! alright, back to playing Spider-Man now lol

[@AerialHoopGuy]

Durant gets screwed over thanks to Truant.

[@niedas3426]

Little cup trubbish? Not only can it sticky hold a berry juice now, it also gets a 10% flinch chance and aftermath. Solid abilities all around.

[@darklightning2730]

Little cup Varoom would be cursed with the hidden ability Slow Start. Yes, Varoom gets Slow Start.

[@Jmanjman]

Azumarill would have a lot more options now with the combo of huge power, sap sipper, and thick fat. That would make it the bane of grass types and a good switch in

[@Jelly_shy_guy_man]

WORST COMMENT EVER

[@francescganau7679]

Between truant and hustle, seeinc a Durant hit an actual move would be a memorable rarity. Imagine whitnessing it hit a Stone Edge. Only happens once in a blue moon

[@prateek1.9]

it can use entrainment to lay down its abiltiy to other

[@Nitosa]

​@@prateek1.9if it means that it can lay both that's an instant knockout that pokemon that got put into the roulette is ruined. Of course you first have to hit it yourself but i digress.

[@haddy106]

​@@prateek1.9assuming it works

[@FroststormFrenzy]

@@Nitosa Hustle only applies to physical moves, not Entrainment or any special moves

[@ShadowPhoenix4798]

Focus blast

[@a_cup_of_joe540]

Cant wait to get zangoose with toxic boost and immunity

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

LOL

[@homenvy1026]

Banned from the tier above ag

[@a_cup_of_joe540]

@@homenvy1026 hackmons

[@Jelly_shy_guy_man]

@@JPRPokeTrainer98I hate you

[@CheshireTheMaid]

Zangoose would officially be the strongest mon

[@dawnsbuneary]

This was actually a feature in the earlier mystery dungeon games, specifically Rescue Team and Explorers. Riolu is a weird case. Since both Inner Focus AND Steadfast are active on it, it leads to an impossible senario. It can't be Flinched because of Inner Focus, but Steadfast activates when it flinches. So you can NEVER activate Steadfast with Riolu in Mystery Dungeon. Kind of hilarious.

[@robertlupa8273]

Meanwhile Bronzong has no weaknesses.

[@Musasensei1674]

Like zangoose

[@kirby163]

Actually untrue, Steadfast can also activate if you gain the crosseyed status by eating a crosseye seed. Which actually means that you can actively choose when you want to use the ability.

[@essentiel2b]

​@@robertlupa8273I was just thinking that. Fighting the Bronzor line in the PMD games was such a pain

[@michael_xcx]

Actually both abilities activate. So in Riolu's case, its speed doubles because of Steadfast, but then it doesn't actually flinch and can immediately attack. It's a pretty amazing combo in Explorers.

[@laprasrules12]

Porygon-Z would also be busted. Adaptability plus Download plus Analytic on the switch is crazy strong

[@astoron8398]

And porygin 2 running max defense with an eviolite and negative speed would be a genuine threat to so many things

[@tabbender1232]

Azumarill would be fun. It would keep huge power but would now be immune to grass instead of weak to it and also double resist fire and ice Gen 4-5 Bronzong would have no weaknesses too Breloom wouldn't be OP but at least it wouldn't have to pick between poison heal and technician anymore

[@kubabakomnene3197]

Would Bronzong not be weak to dark types?

[@nharviala]

@@kubabakomnene3197 That change occured in gen 6 where steel lost the resistance to ghost and dark. In gens 4-5, Bronzong would have no weaknesses. Gen 6 and on, it has those two weaknesses to look out for.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

Wait... Why would anyone run Poison Heal on Breloom? It has notoriously bad stats except for the weirdly high attack. It's not a stall or a tank, it hits hard and fast with priority. Are you sure you're not thinking of Effect Spore?

[@yechanlee9325]

​@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 never underestimate the power of passive healing as it means that passive damage like sandstorm and spikes is somewhat nullified making it more difficult to revenge kill. Also poison heal requires means breloom is poisoned which means it can't be burnt, a very good trait for a physical attacker.

[@sikusher]

​@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 Makes you immune to status and also grands you passive healing. Breloom is a physical sweeper which means that a burn from will-o-wisp/scald etc can render it basically useless by dropping its attack by 50% from 372 (adamant) down to 186. You're also immune to other status conditions like paralysis, freeze and sleep. Besides Breloom's speed, is really bad so unless you're using priority you're getting outsped by like 95% of other sweeper mons. The most common poison heal breloom set is; Spore, Substitute, Leech Seed, Focus Punch. Poison heal allows you a free switch -in on a toxic for example and if you're already poisoned from toxic orb to any other status move. You can force switch outs with spore and leech seed afterwards, and set-up with sub or deal a lot of damage with a F.Punch. It is a set that heavily relies on prediction but it's as good as the technician set.

[@momom5429]

For Sableye, Stall doesn't change priority. It makes the Pokemon move last in its priority bracket. So combined with prankster, if no other Pokemon is using a high priority move, Sableye would still go first.

[@awesomedragon5614]

Don’t forget Azumarill, Huge Power is already insane but add Sap Sipper, and it turns one of its weaknesses into an immunity!

[@MarkusAldawn]

I don't think I would ever try to hit anything with a grass type move if they had an Azumaril on their team in that scenario. Imagining a +1 Huge Power STAB attack is mildly terrifying.

[@crabnebula1816]

@@MarkusAldawnit would probably also have a choice band too

[@thegreatjman1999]

I'm pretty sure Sableye doesn't actually work like you said, Prankster gives it additional priority but Stall makes it move last within its priority bracket. So it still gets the priority from prankster but if the opponent uses another priority move it would automatically go before Sableye. Still a downgrade but not as bad as you described it

[@elijosc1963]

If another mon is using a priority move vs sabeleye its going first regardless of stall or not sabeleye is slow as balls

[@squirtleislife1312]

...but that's only for status moves. If you try to run anything else on this mon that isn't fake out or shadow sneak you're wasting your move slot

[@Dr.J42]

@@squirtleislife1312Bruh forgot about Prankster lmao.

[@squirtleislife1312]

@@Dr.J42 I meant to say status moves oof I'll edit it

[@sexton389]

@@squirtleislife1312 sableye has base 50 speed hes already getting outsped if not using priority

[@reesecarlton]

For those wondering how it would shake up the Comeptitive scene, it already has! Pokémon Showdown (an online battle simulator run by the community) occasionally features Pokébilities as an "Other Metagame of the Month" and illustrates this exact concept perfectly. It's actualy really fun and rewards a lot of creativity, while also banning overly broken stuff. Highly recommend it

[@frosty6750]

It's called pokebilities, you can play it with friends

[@Musasensei1674]

And you guys can play gen 7 random pokebilities You dont even need to make a team just click battle and u will have 6 random mons vs real people

[@tktyga77]

Y'know, a Stadium like game that can work with Home & similar apps (complete with minigames & cross connectivity to core games) could give some real competition to Pokémon Showdown, especially if also able to connect to other side games

[@misael960]

There are some hack roms too , like Elite Redux and Emerald Exceeded , that add something similar , innates . Not exactly the same abilities but 4 of some abilities related to the mon. I recomend.

[@randomguy8107]

How is Reuniclus in that meta ?

[@ironmuro]

Not nearly as powerful as Exadrill in the aspect of double weather abilities but Ludicolo comes to mind with Rain Dish, Swift Swim and Own Tempo for good measure. Heck most pokemon with Swift Swim would be pretty good since they would get another ability with their boots from the rain.

[@randomguy8107]

Kingdra can run its crit set under rain now

[@markos50100]

Most weather pokemon would get much better with this change.

[@theknightwithabadpictotall7639]

Reuniclus becomes twice as immune to weather, only takes damage from attacks and heals upon switching out Serperior gets its Grass type moves boosted when at 1/3 HP and also raises its sp. attack by 2 stages each time it uses Leaf Storm Malamar can hit through Protect, can't be forcefully switched out and gets its attack and defense boosted from Superpower Drifblim gets a boost from Fire type attacks hitting it, gets faster when it loses its item and does damage when it faints Pinsir can't have its attack lowered, hits regardless of abilities and gets an attack boost each time it faints a Pokémon Scrafty has a chance to shrug off status conditions, lowers the enemy's attack when it enters the field and gets an attack boost each time it faints a Pokémon Regigigas still sucks

[@molassesman4066]

Its the one constant Regigigas being a legendary pokemon with sub 600 actual stats Or was it sub 500?

[@shanem8957]

Infiltrator can’t hit through protect, only sub and screens. Flare boost boost special attack by one stage when burned not when hit by a fire move.

[@frozenherolp9077]

@@shanem8957 Flare Boost gives you a 50% boost to your Special Attack, wich if neutral bscly. is a +1 Boost, so you´re partially correct about that, but its not an actual Stat-boost. Same as Guts, Toxic Boost, etc. the stat gets multiplied by 1.5 and does NOT receive a Stat-boost.

[@arcanegale285]

@@frozenherolp9077 This + it's not from being hit by fire moves it's from being burned

[@FeIlini]

​@frozenherolp9077 Flare Boost actually works different from Guts and more akin to Toxic Boost, powering up the Base Power of Special moves instead of the stat itself, functionally I'm pretty sure there's no difference but it's still a neat detail

[@dresdenlancer9012]

Most weather setters are gonna be stronger because they usually have an ability that boosts them in the weather they set. Getting both is scary. Alolan ninetales gets to set snow and dodges. Pelipper has rain dish (and keen eye). Hippowdon hits harder in sand. Vanille is healing in snow, and gets weak armor to be a pseudo slush rush if you play it right. Basically every weather team but Sun is gonna be strong.

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

Even Sun gets insanelly good options

[@dresdenlancer9012]

@antoinepolnareff8970 I love sun, as a fire specialist. But giving all abilities to sun setters gives you nothing synergistic. Immunity to fire on Ninetales. Torkoal's really poor stats (besides defense) can't be lowered. Groudon only has drought. Mega-Zard Y only has drought. Hippowdon on the other hand, gets sand force, so it shows up, boosts sp. def., and gets an atk boost besides. Gigalith gets both those *and* sturdy. T-tar just makes opponents not eat berries. Alolan ninetales gets evasion boost as well as def boost with snow warning/snow cloak. Vanilluxe gets Ice Body, healing it in snow. Abomasnow gets soundproof, which isn't fully synergistic, but makes it immune to Bug Buzz and torch song, which would have super effective against it. Sun gets 0 mons with synergy. Sand gets 2. Ice gets 2 (and a sound immunity). Even rain gets Pelipper's rain dish synergy. Sun gets nothing.

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

@@dresdenlancer9012 Man, you are really only seeing onto a few fire types and not all Pokemon that benefits from the Sun and his other abilities

[@dresdenlancer9012]

@antoinepolnareff8970 because my comment was about the weather setters. Not about pokemon that abuse the weather. There's something like 40 chlorophyll mons. Some get leaf guard and some get harvest. But that is gaining use *under* sun. They are not *setting* the sun. Meaning you set sun with a mon with no additional benefits. Then have to swap into something that can utilize the weather better than the one who set it. Sand, Rain, and Snow don't have that problem. Their weather setters get to abuse the weather they set up. So there are *six* mons abusing weather instead of 5 for sun. And all protosynthesis mons only get photosynthesis, so they aren't gaining additional benefit. Orichalcum Pulse is basically 2 abilities in one (proto and drought), and it isn't getting additional boosts either. Sand stream + Sand Force is absolutely more beneficial than leaf guard+chlorophyll. And stacking guaranteed harvest with solar power and chlorophyll is not going to make tropius good. It's still going to be leech seed/sub stalling as it sets up a solar power air slash that still won't kill anything that isn't weak to flying. And once sun wears off, it isn't strong enough to one shot things that *are* weak to flying.

[@goshi013]

@@antoinepolnareff8970 Well, most of the abilities that benefit from sun are from grass types, which is bad becasue sun also boost fire type moves so The other ability that benefits from sun is solar power, and half of the mons that have it are also grass types, the other half are fire and then the heliolisk line, which assuming it also has its other abilities, will lose twice as much hp for just the same boost

[@TwoHeadedMeerkat]

I think the Mystery Dungeon games did this for a while. Personally, I'd quite like to see what shenanigans Venomoth could get up to. With Shield Dust to prevent stuff like Nuzzle from paralyzing, Tinted Lens to lower the impact of type-resistant walls, and Wonder Skin to make status moves more unreliable against it, it could pretty easily get set up and go to town with Quiver Dance

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

That sounds awful to fight.

[@TwoHeadedMeerkat]

@@morphstarchangeling8024 I mean, Venomoth still has plenty of flaws -- just makes it so it's harder to stop it dead in its tracks with paralysis or sleep

[@neosuduno]

Annihilape is already busted, but in this setup he would be immune to sleep, flinching and would still get +2 to attack whenever he gets hit by defog. He would also have items that would make him harder to deal with. with Punch Glove making contact based abilities and Rocky Helmet useless, Covert Cloak to deal with the nasty number of 30% plus status moves running around and good old Lum Berry for status effect he would still be vulnerable to. No overlap, but with a signature move that can hit for 350 Base, he really doesn't need any.

[@StickMaster500]

If they made it so Pokemon could use all of their abilities like Reuniclus with Overcoat, Magic Guard and Regenerator, Bronzong with Levitate, Heatproof and Heavy Metal and Scizor with Swarm, Technician and Light Metal just as a few examples, you'd have an unstoppable team!

[@browncow5210]

Can we talk about Yanmega, who's always been a case of wanting both abilities? Now he both gets a free speed boost after every turn, and can hit you for full damage through your resistances. You can also slap on throat spray, so he's getting a nasty plot boost after the first bug buzz. I guess he also gets frisk, so that's something.

[@DaikoruArtwin]

We could also talk about Sigilyph. His other abilities are completely overshadowed by Magic Guard, which together with Cosmic Power and Stored Power makes him unkillable and powerful at the same time. His other abilities actually complement that set super well: Wonder Skin makes all status moves 50% accurate, meaning even methods to prevent it from setting up like Taunt are risky. His other ability, Tinted Lens, is also perfect since he tends to only run Stored Power, so Tinted Lens pretty much makes this one attack hit hard on anything that isn't Dark type.

[@itsfrankie757]

But like, if Cinccino got into Scarlet/Violet, the Loaded Dice combined with Technician could literally just be...

[@izzywooperstan]

yeah but having something like a life orb instead of loaded dice would be nice

[@SuperSdm7]

Hell you can be a menace with bullshit like kings rock flinches. Oor fish for crits with scope lens.

[@phantominex2588]

First Pokemon that came to mind for me is Kommo-o. While not outright busted, all of its abilities provide really solid buffs to Kommo-o’s usability. Bulletproof and Soundproof combine to make a sizeable list of free immunities, and overcoat helps protect from sand chip (which jn this all ability meta is theoretically very prevalent) and all the annoyances of powder moves. These buffs make it easier to get it on the field and start buffing with Clangorous Soul or Iron Defense, and more annoying to deal with once it does.

[@loveeditiing4453]

*Breloom* with technician, poison heal and effect spore. *Ursaring* with Quick feet, Guts and Unnerve. *Milotic* also has an underrated ability pool that you can take advantage of with this concept Marvel scale, Competitive and Cute charm

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

I would love to see a new Pokémon Ranger game with the Legends: Arceus gameplay with Abilities working in and out of battles. Having variety in getting Pokémon is what makes the series fun.

[@Hip-Gnosis1134]

Yooooo! I like that idea. Ranger was one of my favorite ds games

[@epicaustin17]

⁠@@Hip-Gnosis1134Same, Pokemon Ranger games was also one of my favorites on the DS

[@HoopsandHipHop]

You could tie this to an item for its activation and only allow one mon per battle to use it for the sake of balancing, and it would actually be really fun as a new gimmick. Not to mention it could shake up whose worth using and whose not. I’d love to see Bidoof randomly appear on a Worlds team with this combo lol

[@shest2475]

I think bronzing would become an absolute wall with this format. Removing two weaknesses, gaining an immunity and being weak to only dark and ghost types is very strong. And it has heavy metal for stronger heavy slam

[@LegendaryCaptain]

In gens 4-5 it would have ZERO weaknesses cause Steel still resisted Dark and Ghost

[@samurottstudios2066]

Gorilla tactics doesn't double the base stat, it doubles the raw number, i.e. after accounting for investment and nature

[@Gatebreakerglitcher]

It doesn’t double it adds 50%

[@samurottstudios2066]

@@Gatebreakerglitcher right, my bad

[@jellychaser7011]

@@Gatebreakerglitcher You mean times 1.5 right. Learn Math

[@enoyna1001]

You're describing Huge/Pure Power.

[@Noctis-fr3uc]

It's basically choice band

[@themasterblaze7563]

Dragapult and Baxcalibur with all of their abilites would also be complete menaces. Aurora Veil Bax would be nigh unkillable and Dragapult with Clear Body, Infiltrator and Cursed Body would just be an entire ban worthy issue with it's well known Competetive prowess.

[@Light_2461]

I think Stall works like Lagging Tail. This would mean Sableye moves last in its priority bracket, so you would still move first with Prankster *unless* your opponent uses priority.

[@tymonsulimastalman1727]

Interesting gimmick. It could even work if it would be improved. There could be a super special item that would allow the use one normal ability and a hidden ability. When a Pokemon has a hidden ability, it could use the first ability (or randomly between the first and second). A possible disadvantage of this item would be that Pokemon loses PP faster.

[@paledesertmoth6255]

Regarding starters, Serperior's Leaf storm with Overgrow and enough Contraty boosts and Emboar's flare blitz with Blaze and Reckless would be quite powerful too. Primarina's Hyper Voice with Torrent and Liquid Voice is another that comes to mind

[@Magikarpador]

Liquid Voice does add damage so surf, pump, and aria would all be syrongery

[@edgargaebolg9307]

Blaze Iron Fist Fire Punch from Infernape Overgrow Grass Surge Grass Glide from Rillaboom

[@reviewer945]

Charizard should be mentioned if it has it's Mega Evolutions. It would only last so long but Drought and Solar Power together on the first turn is a great glass cannon and combined with Blaze it would be even stronger. Also Blaze and Drought with Tough Claws would be Amazing too though Solar Power would weaken that.

[@MagusAgrippa8]

They did have multiple abilities in Mystery Dungeon. This led to really funny things like contradictory abilities on Lucario being unable to be flinched (Inner Focus) but also getting speed from being flinched (Steadfast). Apparently the only way for it to be getting that speed boost is to be made cross-eyed by a particular seed.

[@BamaMophi]

With Sableye’s signature ability, it works kind of like a lagging tail. For those that still don’t know what it is exactly, Stall makes it so that the Pokémon with this ability suffer -.5 priority. So if you combine it with Prankster, which gives status moves a +1 priority, the resulting move would have a .5 priority. Beating out any moves with 0 priority but losing to even the slowest of quick attacks. The real interesting edge cases would be when factoring in Quick Claw, which randomly gives moves a +.5 priority. Since I don’t know if this works inside of priority brackets, in which case the Prankster + Stall would always go first, or if this works all inclusively, where both would have the exact same priority so whoever is faster would win.

[@qqqqqqqqqqqq121212]

You know, in early Mystrey Dungeon games - the Pokémon would use both abilities at once

[@TundraRage]

There's actually a metagame on showdown called Pokebilities! Which allows for pokemon to use all their abilities at once.

[@SuperSdm7]

Kingambit would be pretty nuts tbh. Surpreme overlord combined with defiant can be fun. With pressure preventing stall. Also, normal ursaring would be insane too with quick feet and guts. It basically turns ursaring into a speedy glass cannon. Speaking of facade users, raticate would also rise in usage, hustle and guts is pretty insane. Albeit a bit unreliable, but it practically doubling its attack is still good. Lastly, swellow would be pretty fun to use as well. Guts facade that hits ghost types due to scrappy surprisingly pops off. Other pokemon with good combos but would be sunflora. Under the sun, it can surprisingly be usuable with solar power and chlorophyll. It does have a pretty respectable base 105 special. Albeit you are forced to invest in max speed to hit anything reliably. Even then, it makes sunflora into a glass cannon. Another pokemon with that combo would be tropius. However, even with that boost, the special and speed stat is still kinda bad. Edit: A pokemon that would be negatively affected would definately be golduck. Imagine shutting off your own swift swim, couldnt be me

[@naganut9718]

You can give Ursaring 0 bulk invesment yet it would still be INCREDIBLY tanky

[@AznYunHou]

Mystery Dungeon fans remember this, but yeah it's weird how Riolu had Steadfast and Inner Focus that work with flinches but cannot work together.

[@ImTooFew]

Funny thing is sunflora would become a deadly sun sweeper with 348 speed in sun with a speed boosting nature and 463 special attack due to solar power (that is higher than non +special attack nature xurkitree which is funny) now imagine getting swept by a sunflora spamming solar beam, thats funny

[@amagicion5130]

While Prankster and Stall feel like opposites, their effects aren't actually direct opposites. While Prankster increases priority, Stall simply makes it go last within it's priority bracket, so Prankster would almost always end up taking precedence. The only times Stall would actually come into play are when slower pokemon are trying to use priority moves, or if you are foolish enough to use an attacking move LOL.

[@trickstergenie8194]

Stall makes a pokemon move last in its priority bracket, so unless there's somehow a pokemon using a priority move thats even slower than Sabeleye you'll never notice the difference and all though I'd love to run a completely busted invincible Conkeldurr, Sheer Force would definitely get rid of Drain Punch's healing since its a secondary effect

[@N12015]

People though that before you... It got banned because it was busted. No, it did not buff drain punch as much, but guts + iron fist + STAB is still like a 202 BP move, while elemental punches are 175 BP. A bit too much to handle defensively when burning only boost this pokémon.

[@alexdehatter2151]

Togekiss with Serene Grace and Super Luck. Flinch hax and crit hax combined.

[@rhedvicus1262]

Pretty sure Stall + Prankster would work the same as a Pokémon with Prankster holding a Lagging Tail. All status moves are still priority moves, but regular moves will move last on the priority list.

[@crawdaddy2004]

The way Stall and Prankster would work is that Sableye would just go last in the +1 Priority Bracket… which it usually does anyway. 😅 8:14

[@mushroomdude123]

Stall makes someone move last in their priority bracket. Prankster would still make Sableye go first, but it would be outsped by other Pokemon using +1 priority moves. Which is redundant since Sableye is very slow anyway.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

So it just ruins its chances with trick room teams?

[@lazypaladin]

Why my head immediately pops to *_Crawdaunt_* of all Pokemon, I'll never know. _But Hyper Cutter and Shell Armour would be pretty nice._

[@typhlosion7872]

Dracozolt is also insane to slap on sand teams for a mon you didn't mention. It actually ended up getting banned from the pokebilities format last gen

[@It_Was_Taken]

So to answer the question about Sableye: Stall [Makes this pokemon move last in its prioraty bracket] Stall is just the lagging tail as an item. So Sableye using statis will move after all other +1 priority moves. And the same with no priority however it WILL move first if the oponent uses a non priority move and Sableye uses a statis move.

[@Amalunatic]

This has existed on Smogon since 2021 under the name Pokebilities. With common bans like Conkeldurr, Excadrill and Porygon-Z.

[@kyleelbie221]

Zangoose has Immunity and Toxic Boost, which raises its Attack if it's poisoned. But because Immunity outright prevents poisoning, Toxic Boost would be completely useless

[@mertensiam3384]

Spinda would basically have just one ability, since Own Tempo makes it immune to confusion and Tangled Feet make it double it's speed when it's confuse

[@oxygen3143]

Reuniclus came to my mind immediately, being able to combine Regenerator, Magic Guard, and Overcoat just for good measure. Gliscor in sand would be the worst thing to fight ever with Sand Veil and Poison Heal, and Dondozo would probably be better in VGC now that it doesn’t have to choose between Oblivious and Unaware anymore. Also Galarian Weezing would be so sad. It has access to Levitate and Misty Surge, two incredible abilities. And then its final ability is Neutralizing Gas, making them both useless

[@phantom9831]

Holy hell poor Weeezing

[@brenoborba5433]

the combination of sheer force and tinted lens in hisuian braviary would be insane

[@AubreyAkyereko-pl7um]

There is actually a rom hack called Pokemon Emerald Elite Redux that allows Pokemon to have 4 ABILITIES and THEY CAN HAVE ANY ABILITIES (and there are fan-made abilities)

[@deadlydingus1138]

“What are you gonna do? Hit me? Better make it count. Better hope I faint after one turn.” -Quaquaval

[@screechingtoad2683]

9:09 sheer force cancels out the drain effect edit: I assume with sableye, status moves would go first, other moves would go last

[@kidsannd]

would make for a interesting item Item: Overdrive Gene activates all abilities even if knocked off or switched out but inflicts random status if none is present.

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

Honestly Kekleon changing type constantly could be interesting. Not enough to make it broken, but interesting enough that I could see it really messing up someone if this was prenerf Protein where they changed types with every move they used. Keckleon going from a normal type to a dark type when using sucker punch, the resisting the oncoming attack just to become that type, only to change their type again into something completely different could be a super annoying pokemon to fight with how you'd have to predict what the opponent wants to use.

[@msgameandcake628]

I think the main problem is that Color Change wouldn't actually have a benefit most of the time with Pre-nerf Protein. If Kekleon goes second, then the opponent hits him, he changes type from Color Change, and then instantly changes type again from Protean when he attacks, resulting in the Color Change switch not doing anything. If Kekleon goes first, then he changes from Protean, gets hit and changes from Color Change, but then he'd most likely go first again and change from Protean before the opponent even has a chance to hit his Color Change'd typing. Priority can shake this pattern up, like Sucker Punch you mentioned, but it would probably have to be your own priority, since I'd imagine a slow opponent hitting you with a regular move wouldn't then use a priority move of their own if they just made you resistant to it, and alternatively they might've hit you with their non-priority move specifically to REMOVE your resistance to their priority move. Even though it would be rather difficult to use Color Change to gain a resistance to actual enemy attacks in this scenario, there are a few niche situations I could see this helping. If Kekleon goes first and gets hit by an attack to end the turn with a Color Change'd type, then switches out, the Color Change typing might help provide a resistance or immunity when switching back in (assuming Color Change persists between switches?) Or maybe if the opponent had Sandstorm up and he Color Change'd to Rock, Ground, or Steel, so at the end of the turn he wouldn't take environmental damage, or some other similar type-specific end-of-turn effect. I think the biggest issue here is the fact that first the opponent needs to hit you with a move that CAN give you a situationally beneficial end-of-turn typing, and then you still need to get lucky for Color Change to choose the CORRECT typing, since there will pretty much always be multiple types it can choose to give you after getting hit. In the previously noted Sandstorm niche moment, even if the opponent hits you with a Normal move that could Color Change you to Rock or Steel, it could still change you to Ghost instead.

[@celsiusnebula]

Sableye actually wouldn't be that bad! Stall makes the pokemon move last in their priority bracket, but Prankster increases their priority by 1. So Sableye wouldn't be outsped by attacks with 0 priority.

[@asherloriaga2413]

I would honestly love to use Staraptor with this idea

[@pocketflygon]

Sableye's stall works like lagging tail, it'd move last in its priority bracket. So... it'd still have +1 priority, but move last out of all mons using +1 priority moves Also Durant would suck in this format, since it has Truant as it's hidden ability

[@PokeMaster22222]

8:13 Stall + Prankster Sableye? Prankster would still grant priority to status moves (unless the foe is Dark), while Stall would force Sableye to move last _in that priority bracket_ - Stall doesn't itself mess with priority. Since Sableye is often slow anyway, that wouldn't be much of a hindrance, really.

[@arininquotes8396]

I shudder to think about how much Maushold would have popped off in early S/V VGC regulations with both Technician and Friend Guard. Cheek Pouch doesn't hurt either, but IDK if it would run a berry.

[@dukecaliblap]

There were two pokemon I thought would be really good in this "every ability" meta. Gliscor and heracross Gliscor would have poison heal and sand veil (also hyper cutter but that doesn't really matter) which would make it incredibly annoying to deal with when sand is up Under the right conditions, heracross could be an incredibly powerful sweeper thanks to having access to swarm, guts, and moxie.

[@mikau2123]

Megahorn go brrrrrrrrr

[@phantom9831]

when you know how much Gliscor with only one ability is already annoying to deal with

[@theduskullsociety8095]

One that I'm missing is one that actually was a case. In Mystery Dungeon, Pokémon also had both abilities if they could have two different ones. One of them was Bronzong, which because it's a Steel/Psychic type and this was a time Steel resisted Ghost and Dark, it only had Fire and Ground as its weaknesses. However, both its abilities dealt with one of this weaknesses, Levitate for Ground and Heatproof for Fire, making it one of the situations a Pokémon didn't had any weakness. Maybe forgotten because it's no longer the case, but still worth mentioning

[@ornei2615]

"Excadrill would have a base speed of 176 with sand rush." This isn't how base stats work, doubling a stat which is base 88 doesn't result in base 176. The base stat goes into a calculation with level, evs, ivs, and nature to get the raw stat, which is what is actually boosted. In practice, a 2x boost to the raw stat can be a bigger difference than doubling the base stat.

[@pallygoat7150]

I think Vivillon would be higher than most people think. One of my favorite combinations of abilities would probably be Tentacruel (Clear Body, Liquid Ooze & Rain Dish).

[@5thatemptataname]

I think Stoutland would a very nice niche sand Pokémon, Intimidate + Sand Rush with Scrappy for a better normal stab would be very fun

[@bee5707]

Stall makes you move last in the priority bracket, but prankster adds +1. So sableye would move last out of any prankster moves but still acts with +1 priority

[@Spiggle25]

Stall makes you move last in your priority bracket. If sableye used his +1 prankster moves then he would be the last +1 to go

[@The_Viridian]

As others have pointed out, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon does this. Heres some interesting cases: -Thanks to Levitate/Heatproof, Bronzong effectively has no weakness thanks to this being before the gen 6 steel nerf -Relicanth is able to fire off 2 head smashes in a row under rain with no recoil. Swift swim and similar abilities are kinda busted in pmd -One time I hit an Ursaring with a flamethrower and burned it. It then ran up to me with Quick Feet and oneshot me with Guts

[@omafivargas9712]

Kommo-o Would be immune to sound, bullet/bomb/ and powder moves. Not broken or anything, but you do have plenty of free switch-in opportunities

[@jmiles86]

I would love to see a pokemon game where you have two slots for abilities, they rework everyone's ability lists into their level up moveset and you can pick 2 abilities to have on your pokemon.

[@singingcrow439]

Now i would like to point a finger at reuniclus. Magic guard, overcoat, and regenerator. It would become borderline immortal.

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

Shout-out to any pokémon with Trace being able to copy ALL their abilities in those situations. Best case scenario would be a Porygon2 copying Clefable, adding the defensive power of Unaware and Magic Guard to it's already overkill defense stats, and patching up it's special attack with Download and Analytic. If you have an idea how to out that thing, I'll love to hear it.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Skill swap truant onto it Or skill swap normalise on it, when you have a ghost type, plus a Pokémon with shadow tag skill swap shadow tag onto the ghost type. (double battles) I mean that tactic that WolfeVGC pulled once, for the second one. The second one needs a little too much setup for this though.

[@janithernest3929]

One that comes to my mind is protean Meowscrada plus overgrow which could be deadly

[@johnpaulcross424]

Would love to see you look at other smogon modes like inverted types and little cup!

[@ryanphan6134]

Conkeldurr is another mon that would be incredibly busted in this format. It has Guts, Iron Fist and Sheer Force: all three abilities that directly increases its power. This was the idea back in PMD: Explorers, which Bronzong had 0 weaknesses at the time due to its abilities.

[@monferno1]

In Pokémon tabletop this is actually how it works, you get your weakest ability at level 1, get your middle one around 20 and your capstone ability around level 45

[@rangerecho]

Aggron has two great ones in Rick Head and Sturdy, to at least mitigate those two 4x weaknesses. Haxorus would also be pretty good, with Mold Breaker, Unnerve, and Rivalry

[@jordantyler148]

My favorite Pokémon idea I’ve ever had is a series of gimmick mons like paradox or ultra beasts, where they are like quantum Pokémon. Their gimmick is that they would each have two abilities, but their hidden ability is all the same called like quantum uncertainty or something to that effect. Not every ability could be used with this, but basically what it would do is that the Pokémon has both abilities until one of them is triggered, and then it only has the one that was triggered. So if a Pokémon had inner focus and sturdy for example, on turn 1 if it got flinched or intimidated inner focus would trigger making immune to those effects and it would have inner focus till it switched out. But if it got ohko’d before inner focus triggered it would then have sturdy activate and have sturdy till it switched out. This wouldn’t work with an ability like intimidate, but there are tons of cool combinations that make the Pokémon more dynamic and interesting to play around.

[@badwithusernames3238]

Stall does the same as lagging tail, making you move last in your priority bracket. So as long as no other pokemon uses a priority move you’ll still go first

[@BaconNuke]

Fun fact, in Mystery Dungeon series all Pokemon have all their (regular) abilities at once, which helps some and hinders others, for example Riolu can't be flinched because Inner Focus but Steadfast increases speed if flinched.. or "cross-eyed" a status unique to the Mystery Dungeon series, resulting in having to have an enemy use the one item in the game that would cause "cross-eye" status.. or a random trap tile.. but you are then blinded.. but fast.. But something like Cubone can use both of its abilities without negating each other, so it draws in Electric moves, neutralizes them, and then can use strong moves with recoil.. Other fun fact, since Moody has only been a HA and the Mystery Dungeon series hasn't had those, we don't how it would work in that scenario.. but never realized Bidoof could be pretty good even without it lol

[@vossboss220]

Honestly wish they'd bring that back and also include hidden abilities for the starters atleast

[@bogeyfan1014]

Lugia and Ho-Oh lickin their chops when they see they get some of the most annoying stall abilities (Pressure and Multiscale, Pressure and Regenerator respectively) of all time.

[@minerturtle45]

On Sableye, Stall doesn't actually affect its priority, it only makes it move last in the priority bracket it's in. It's like it has infinitely low speed (or infinitely high speed under trick room since stall supersedes it)

[@Keds1995]

Mightyena also gets the Intimidate + Moxie combo

[@zebramussels141]

The "gimmick" (if you can even call it a gimmick, since I believe this should be a permanent change) that I'm shocked that we haven't seen yet is dual-type Moves. Without even inventing new Moves, there are an absolutely incredible number of Moves whose names and descriptions already imply that they should have two types. Thunder Punch could be Electric/Fighting. Fire Fang could be Fire/Dark. Scald could be Water/Fire. Muddy Water could be Water/Ground. And the list goes on and on.

[@loadingname4947]

All 7 hawlucha users are crying right now

[@zebramussels141]

Funny, but why would they be crying? With dual-type Moves, Flying Press would actually be fully both Fighting-type and Flying-type, meaning Hawlucha would get STAB twice when using it, a significant power boost compared to how it works right now. @@loadingname4947

[@_RedRightHand_]

Pokeabilities OM has entered the chat.

[@crimsonmoon7848]

It's a fan made thing but there is a tabletop game called PTU and though normal progression most pokemon can get 4 abilities, then if you factor in some trainer classes they can get even more. As for a broken mon in this set up my vote would have to be for Espathra. Speed boost is always good to have, and Opportunist would be pretty good to have agasit any simple stat buffer. Then it can Batton pass it's stats off to something else if it gets near faitning.

[@codename618]

To address the Stall + Prankster situation, I did some searching and based on what I can tell, Stall just makes a Pokémom go last in their current priority bracket. Translation: if Sableye and another Pokémon use a move with +1 priority (i.e. Prankster), Sableye will move after that Pokémon. However, if the other Pokémon is NOT using a priority move, Sableye will still go first. Normally, Speed would be a factor in this situation, but Stall ignores it and makes Sableye go second anyway.

[@tbone6032]

Cool video concept tbh never thought of this

[@thedahliallama]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe stall makes you move last within your priority bracket, so all status moves have +1 priority so they still move first but if another Pokémon of identical speed also had prankster its status moves would always move before sableye

[@mrmatt7246]

Klinklang would be an interesting case. Since it gets both Plus and Minus, it would effectively get a better Huge Power for the Special Attack stat. Since each ability gives a 1.5x boost to Special Attack when combined with the other ability, it would effectively be a 2.25x boost to that stat once both abilities are activated. It also would have Clear Body to prevent any possible setup shutdown, and would be able to run various different options, such as Magnetic Flux for defensive builds and Gear Up for a mixed attacking set.

[@shokocontane594]

There is a ROM hack called Pokemon Elite Redux with similar idea to yours. In this game your pokemon can have up to 4 abilities. The game also buffed and added several new abilities too. I have an Alomomola in that game with Water Veil (now buffed to also set up Aqua Ring that heal for 1/8 HP each turn upon entry), Self Sufficient (a new ability that is literally just Leftover) and Regenerator. With Leftover on top of that as well, this lil piece of blob passively heals for 25% max HP every turn. Needless to say, it just straight-up refuses to die.

[@MEPlaysGames]

I did the same topic for a video a while back but man, I gotta say I think you did a better job of it

[@localnekonia6830]

Here’s a couple more you missed First scrafty had moxie intimidate and shed skin along with dragon dance…not sure why you missed him Sandslash with sand veil and sand rush will be very funny to watch Yanmega with both tinted lens and speed boost will turn it into an utter force of destruction Regenerator magic guard overcoat reuniclus Heracross with guts swarm and moxie will be scary And don’t even get me started on contrary suction cups Malamar

[@ProGamer-ev3cp]

Oh dear lord, Kingambit with supreme overlord, define, and pressure, and Glimmora with toxic debris and corrosion.

[@donnovanash2334]

Sableeye doesn’t get too gutted, prankster give it priority, and stall makes it move last in its priority bracket, so it still is in the +1 priority bracket, it’s just at the bottom of that bracket

[@gustavju4686]

I've been thinking the next Gimmick could be ability related for a while. Megas are stat based (minus HP), Z moves are... move based, Dynamax is HP and move based (with the moves all having side effects like sun, rain, hail, ect.), and Tera is type based (with one move). That leaves ability.

[@rpzamer1218]

actually played around with this a lot. played a pokemon D&D game (3 of them) and every x number of levels the pokemon would get access to another one of their abilities. there was a lot of pokemon that got super broken, but we never wanted to change it for a number of reasons because of how D&D worked. then we also made it so that dream powder could give an additional ability to pokemon that did not have more than 1 ability. but you know whats broken when pokemon have all their abilities. charasard. solar power, and when mega gets drought, for the most amount of power you have ever seen. and blaze for good measure. and many more i promise you

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

(Around 6:20) You forgot the disgustingly op stall potential... Cinccino has a 3rd ability in Cute Charm, it can learn Thunder Wave, And if you put a Rocky Helmet on it all 5 hits have an independent chance to Flinch! Even the Steel Types that wall all of it's attacks are gonna wanna have a way to block Flinches, even then a Base 188 Stab Tail Slap with Tera Normal could do some serious resisted damage (imagine Tinted Lens as an Item 🥵).

[@justrad7637]

i would really like to play any pokemon game modded rom with that feature , tho could be good to have a toggle for it on each mon , kinda like infinite fusion requires an item to fuse/unfuse