What If... T'Challa Was a Gary Stu?

A video on What If...?'s second episode, What If... T'Challa Was a Star Lord?
It's bad.
If you liked this video check out my channel for a video on episode 1 of the show as well as on Eternals
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[@kurtismurton1331]

Why didn't he just talk to the collector and convince him to hand over the object instead of all this? He clearly is very persuasive

[@puggietaur]

😆 that's a good point. sometimes the best weapon in your arsenal is a good argument

[@PhieFty]

He can even convince big purple genocide guy to join them

[@pablovonpablo2590]

I was going to say. This seems like a "what if T'Challa had the powers of Purple Man" kinda thing "You don't want to get the Infinity Stones." "I don't want to get the Infinity Stones." "You want to go home and rethink your life." "I want to go home and rethink my life."

[@Xegit]

@@PhieFty It's not a genocide!!!!111

[@axeltovar15737]

Also you forgot to mention one thing how does tachlla have the name starlord when peter got the name from his mother

[@NoBody-oe3bf]

maybe tchallas mom had a book club with her

[@AnalyticalMenace]

@@NoBody-oe3bf 😂

[@UserAndSale]

​@@NoBody-oe3bf I saw a video saying this show was for aunties😂

[@MoonyMckayNetwork]

Its honestly the worst part of the episode IMO

[@guybrushthreepwood2014]

Imagine they named him the Black Hole, or something. Or even better "Lando"!

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

Starlord was called 'starlord' because it was the nickname his mother gave him. Yondu didnt want to show Peter the universe, he was tasked with delivering Peter but after getting to know him, he decided to abandon this task after he grew to know Peter. Thanos went on a mission to kill half of all life after losing everything he ever knew. It was an insane plan, but a simple earthling convinced him to give up his mission.... ridiculous.

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

@@sjfs231 Thats right, but im not sure what youre saying

[@ErinDalllas-l5z]

That by hoarding resources his people are the exact kind of people Thanos would hate. As his entire plan situated that there were not enough resources to go around.

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

@@ErinDalllas-l5z oh im with you now. I saw his issue as there not being enough resources to sustain the universe's population, whether people were hoarding resources was negligible

[@carsongiles7024]

Hang on a second, if Peter was supposedly giving off cosmic energy even as a kid, why wouldn’t that be noted by anyone? Like when he got arrested no one said “wait why is this Terran producing energy like that, they aren’t supposed to do that”

[@michaeldavis2001]

Korath recognises T'challa when in the movie he had never heard of Starlord. This is because all black people know each other. It's a bro thing.

[@puggietaur]

well the idea is tchalla is such a better star lord that his name is heard everywhere and he has many fans. almost like he's a gary stu or something...

[@johnnycrown5097]

Even amongst billions of star systems in our galaxy... All black people know each other... In my comic about well known demographics like cowboys, victorian's, natives, blacks etc I used stereotypes as the power system because I'm trying to get rid of this rubbish about every stereotypes being racist, at the most extreme, it should be seen as wrong or misguided not freaking discriminatory and hateful... Anyways, I made it so that every black people's mind are connected, that's why they know each other and entering a large body of water can block the signal... This is why they can all group together to form a large body of defense of one of theirs (I don't want to say how I incorporated is killing ourselves more because that's basically a plot point in the comic and it would take forever to relate plus I'm not sure KZbin is nuanced enough to understand the simplicity of it)... Anyways, they developed it from their days of slavery whereby they used it to get each other out of trouble by relaying messages in their mind and they used it to coordinate themselves when they fought for their freedom (the world isn't earth, even the continents are far from the same with all of them being connected apart from the orients... And unlike the rubbish comic, Black, every demographic have powers have stereotypes that everyone in that demographic share but use in different ways, not only black people, so that the enslavement of black people won't be mind boggling like it was in the Black comic and the audience won't be left asking how the fuck did they get enslaved if the white people enslaving them don't have powers... In my comic, the powers aren't very obvious and physical powers, like the cowboys have focus, the ability to boost a part of their body function, either eyesight or speed or reflexes or healing etc (the blacks power is called sanctuary, they can also swap body and for all the powers, they are always inwards, but a strong user can project the ability outwards like blacks would be able to read other people's mind on a normal day but a strong user would be able to influence their minds and stronger would be able to manipulate and the level 100 would be able to control it and as for the cowboys, the strong user would basically be able to stretch their bodies like Luffy or Mr fantastic, grow back new limbs, reinforce what they're touching, laser from eyes, cause vertigo for ears, sound waves for mouth, increase temperature into fire and synapses into electricity, transform into hulk like body or shape shift into animals or humans or clone themselves etc... Mind you they can only use one of these powers, so s strong user would have focused on one aspect and use only that so if you can stretch, that's all you can do and nothing else or for blacks, if you can cause illusions, you can't puppeteer or teleport etc)... Woah, I just got carried away and started talking about my story... Sorry, I just love stories... I've even forgotten what this comment was about... Oh well...

[@johnnycrown5097]

​@@puggietaurhey, Gary stu is racist... Martin Stu or Jordan Stu is better, something black sounding... Mbappe Stu... Don't worry, I'm black and Nigerian so I can say all that and I hate I have to say that to let my comment go through... Sigh..

[@johnnycrown5097]

Wait a minute, how did proxima know they're ravagers??? Did korath send his resignation to the collector as well writing I'm with the ravagers now or did she see it on his Instagram??? And why is it a problem that the ravagers crew are fighting each other??? Especially when she just let their leader in... What if the ravagers are normally this rowdy considering they're pirates??? And why isn't the black order moved to aee Thanos??? Did they forget who he is or have they never met before??? I have so many questions...😢

[@vaggos2003]

​@@johnnycrown5097And the episode doesn't care enough to answer them.

[@Cjaj2]

I really don’t like that t’challah is more well known, more liked, and seemingly a better person than OG starlord. It’s just weird if he’s taken in by the same crew as starlord and presumably raised the same way then it seems like they’d be relatively the same. This episode seems to be saying that t’challah is inherently better than Peter.

[@russellyoung609]

I mean he is better than peter but this episode is still stupid

[@nolifejohnson5129]

@@russellyoung609 not by default, they have the same origin story so why is he just magically loved by everyone?

[@bismarku]

tbf peter is a man child and does not develop much as a character. rocket is the main character of gotg as he's going through the most in his character arc. but t'challa would've also been a man child, having been raised the same way with the ravagers, right? idk??

[@russellyoung609]

@ yeah i don't know why they made him loved by everybody but they do have diffrent origins t'challa wasnt a boy being raised by one mother so they are inherently different

[@odeiofunkdeputariarum851]

@@bismarku "does not develop much as a characte" "rocket is the main character" I can see your bias

[@Operation_Bagel]

I still wanna see the timeline where it's the climax of Infinity War and T'Challa persuades Thanos with whatever he said as Star Lord right when he's about to rip the stone out of Vision's head. But yeah, screw this episode

[@marcusraines4803]

I think a better story would be that Wakanda suffered a coup and T’Challa was sold off to Yondu for some alien allies to take over earth. Then we could of had a buddy action story with Peter and T’Challa trying to fight a Wakanda Spatori space empire.

[@ashleybanks-wm4cg]

R@ci$t

[@tirefish]

​@@ashleybanks-wm4cgUh huh. And how is it racist? That Wakanda suffers a coup? Something that has happened to empires both in and out of Africa? Or is it the buddy story between Peter and T'challa?

[@FreshFalcon]

That definitely sounds better than this trash episode

[@ashleybanks-wm4cg]

@@FreshFalcon that's a R@c!$+ story

[@michaelmittag001]

Maybe but I think that has some…dicey implications.

[@stygames5450]

I know I mentioned it in the live chat, but just to be safe, I’ll list an issue that you missed in the video: At the end of Guardians 1, we learn from Quill’s mom’s note that Star-Lord is a nickname she gave him when he was a kid, and… you see where this is going.

[@puggietaur]

a star lawd?

[@stygames5450]

@@puggietaur Yes, master.

[@johnnycrown5097]

Star panther then... Or panther lord... Star panty or panty lord...

[@an0rmalp3rson70]

@@johnnycrown5097 LORD OF PANTYLOONS

[@DeShawnLewisLiveTTv]

@@stygames5450^*Yes, mastuh

[@Jkrocsko]

One of my ither big issues is that Thanos is NOT going down by the goons in this episode. Thanos is shown to be a BEAST even without the stones and made his underlings respect him before the power stone

[@WorldWarJoe]

Never heard that name before but totallt agree. No flaws, just the best at everything. Really dumb

[@puggietaur]

Gary Stu is the male version of a "Mary Sue," a female character who is incredibly good at everything and liked by everyone. For example, Rey in the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy

[@just-linx8271]

Do note that by "liked by everyone" the definition specifically means "in universe"

[@franklinturtleton6525]

T'challa might've been able to hear about Robinhood because they would have knowledge of the outside world, either by internet or their missions outside of the country. Okoye knew about Starbucks in Endgame so it's not out of the question that they obtained outside literature and T'challa would have spent time reading them, seeing as he has an adventurous spirit. But adding in Thanos here when Peter never heard of him until after he destroyed the Nova Core is ridiculous. Gamora is the one who tells Peter about Thanos, T'challa should have never encountered Thanos and adding him in is nothing but a detriment to the story. They could have just added in Rocket and Groot and talk about how T'challa convinced them to stop being bounty hunters and join the Ravagers. They don't even use Rocket or Groot in anything else, but Thanos gets dunked on in every "What If..." episode he's in.

[@GreenCat188]

It's because Rocket is immune to being turned into stylized animation so they gave up

[@john98765333]

Yeah, I feel like this episode just didn't make sense overall and was basically just a fanfiction of Tchalla saving the universe.

[@apierror]

At the expense of Peter. Like, if you take this episode at face value, every person killed by Thanos and every life ruined by the Snap is Peter's or Yanduu's fault for Tchalla not being the one kidnapped, if this is an objectively better timeline.

[@AlfredoPuente8]

7:24 Not even english, why the isolated Wakanda would be speaking in any other thing than Wakandan.

[@puggietaur]

that's a good question, not this episode's fault tho, they've spoken english ever since they were introduced

[@margaridasungoluiz7160]

Nice video. ❤ I laughed so hard at “Thanos dropping bars” Greetings from Angola 🇦🇴

[@SaviorThethird]

You know nobody talks about it but Thanos is over a thousand years old he has heard every plead, offer, and negotiation from his victims on solutions to his resource problem and he didn't break once because from his perspective they were just kids that couldn't see what he could. So some random kid from earth managed to convince him of a plan he's spent hundreds of years in the making of? How did T'challa even convince him he's wrong the resources are finite you can redistribute the wealth or whatever but when the river runs dry that's it. Also let's low ball it and say he only performed his half and half plan on one planet that's still billions of lives ended and everybody is just completely fine sitting with this maniac and allows him to still make jokes about genocide

[@CatoSierraWasTaken]

14,000,605 futures but Doctor Strange never tried calmly suggesting Marxism.

[@shahidjamil7087]

This thanos probably didn't collect any of the stones yet. There's better chance to convince him. Even then i don't expect it to work.

[@Lanoman123]

You forgot to mention the collector calling Hela’s blades “Necroswords” for some reason??

[@Kitty255Again]

A Goddess of Death's swords would be called Necroswords, but since it's Marvel, you'd think they'd avoid that. Could have called them Hel Blades or something.

[@sespider]

All great points that I agree with. But here's another. WHY does T'Challa still have a accent? He hasn't been on Earth for at least two decades, and around endless aliens. All of which have their own accents and languages. There are ZERO reasons for T.Challa to still have the accent he has. His accent would have vanished within 5-10 years. Quill doesn't have a accent because he sounds the same as nearly everyone around him. One could blame the translator implant for this. Claim it makes everyone have the same accent as wearer, so they could more easily be understood. HOWEVER; T'Challa never receives a implant. And is, somehow, able to instantly understand multiple ALIEN languages at once. Lastly, history has proven, everyone forced into a society vastly different than their own at a young age, adapts that society's quirks and speech patterns. All of Europe is a great example of this. As Southern America more resembles former Europe's accent than modern Europe does. Peter Quill at least had his walkman to listen to. Thus giving him a valid reason to keep his American accent. T'Chilla had nothing hut a spear.

[@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu]

To be honest I didn't even know Quill had an implant for translation, it never felt like the humans needed them to talk with Aliens and the movie itself didn't mention it if I recall correctly, if it was in the screen it was just an easter egg.

[@inciniumz4671]

Anyone else get that racist "blacks are better than whites" vibe from this episode by the implication that T'challa is inherently superior in every way to Peter for no other reason than race?

[@MrReich1918]

Imagine killing an asgardian goddess who was the "executioner" of a universe sweeping warlord. And getting wiped by a blue space pirate and ordinary not even black panther enhanced human.

[@kdizzle901]

Thanos is also an unreliable narrator so he could even be lying about Gamoras home planet

[@puggietaur]

Nebula says that Thanos is many things, but not a liar

[@somethingwithultra7231]

@@puggietaur While true, he may also just be plain wrong. He may have seen it that way at the time, but not realized that it wasn't the solution he'd hoped for. Or have just genuinely been delusional when he was overseeing the planet afterwards, being biased towards his method having worked. Since Infinity War moreso has Thanos talking about how he believes this method could've genuinely saved entire planets, including his own. Not that it actually does work at all.

[@puggietaur]

@@somethingwithultra7231 but gamora doesn't disagree either. if he was wrong gamora would point that out but instead she argues the angle of killing half the planet not being worth the benefit of everyone who's left being better off

[@dynamitewolft4194]

@@puggietaur so gamora is short sited to why thanos plan wouldn't actually work

[@twenty4689]

@@puggietaurI know this is necroposting but in Guardians1 Gamora is referred to as the last of her kind when she is put in prison, showing that Thanos’ plan ultimately did not work. You have the clip in at 9:18

[@litterill]

I love these videos! Just found you last week. This video is my favorite one as well as the Dr. Strange and Eternals one. I can't wait to see what comes next!

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

I don't think what Thanos said about Gamora's home planet breaks continuity. There are two other possibilities. One is that Thanos doesn't really even know that. He may not have gone back there to check because he's SURE that what he did led to prosperity. He might have a large sample size from which to deduce the same happened to her planet. The other possibility is that she believes Thanos is lying to manipulate her and that her people were wiped out by his army. In her eyes, this wouldn't be out of character for him. So whatever story he tells her, she tells everyone else the opposite. I have no idea if that intro card for her is definitive info or info in her files, but either way, it's possible that what Thanos tells her doesn't break continuity.

[@kindlingking]

It could be that both is true - her planet reached prosperity, but then got destroyed by some other cause Thanos isn't aware of, because he views his work on Gamorah's planet done and has no futher interest in it.

[@johnnycrown5097]

We should start calling Mary sues Naomi mcduffies and Gary stus, what if tchalla....

[@puggietaur]

I feel like Rey Skywalker might be a more apt name...

[@bipolarbear7337]

​@@puggietaur You mean, Ray Palatine

[@GreenCat188]

What if he what?

[@alexhb7949]

11:15 this isn't a retcon, this is intentional to show that Thanos has put in no actual effort to see if his plan works or not. He just ASSUMED what he said as fact.

[@FatedAwakening]

If he was wrong Gamora would have pointed that out. Unless she's also never checked, which would be weird.

[@alexhb7949]

@@FatedAwakening I actually do this that she just never checked, she's been really busy her whole life

[@FatedAwakening]

@@alexhb7949 I think that would make this scene incredibly stupid. I mean, I think Thanos' plan is incredibly stupid to begin with, but I don't think most people who like Thanos in Infinity War would enjoy finding out that both characters in this scene have no idea what they're talking about and are just making shit up. I think the far more likely explanation is that the writers didn't know about this specific bit of contradictory information from her intro, and wrote that Thanos' solution worked on her planet because they genuinely think it would work, a writing trend that continues in Endgame (where Thanos' plan is shown to have worked on earth, only causing massive emotional trauma that gets forgotten about in most upcoming projects).

[@alexhb7949]

@ good points

[@hugomungus7306]

It took me forty minutes to watch that episode, mostly due to laughter. The mere fact Nebula had implants is an admittance of Thanos being stopped mid galactic g3#0&ide. And then he's joking about it. In public. At a bar. Where the gang groans about his bloody sea of 'oopsies'. Imagine #!tl3r joking about his camps at a bar mitzvah, and you have the same level of absurdity on display in this episode.

[@MysteriousTomJenkins]

Hitler and genocide. You can say big boy words.

[@joedlvr]

damn i just got recommended these vids and what if was the one thing i was excited about from marvel :( i haven’t really kept up with the mcu but the fall off is so crazy super heros and cartoons are a match made in heaven this could have been really great especially after getting more into the comics and seeing how meaningful the stories can be and how breathtaking the art can be to come to the mcu stuff and its just not on the same level imo

[@puggietaur]

at least x-men 97 is meaningful and breathtaking. you should watch it if you haven't, actual masterpiece of superhero animation

[@joedlvr]

@ oh yeah i’ve seen clips of it it looks amazing im very keen to watchcit

[@exploshaun]

The only way I can see Thanos being a good guy is if his entire backstory is different. Him spending presumably centuries as a warlord committing atrocities across the universe only to stop because he was convinced by a guy is insane.

[@pablovonpablo2590]

This seems like a "what if T'Challa had the powers of Purple Man" kinda thing. Everybody listens to him. "You don't want to get the Infinity Stones." "I don't want to get the Infinity Stones." "You want to go home and rethink your life." "I want to go home and rethink my life."

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

When T'challa hit The Collector with that Falcon Knee, I imagined the sound and said "GAME!" when he hit the cage. EDIT: Nevermind, you actually fucking did the edit! Lmao!

[@swagwolfgang]

T’challa isn’t a Gary Stu…he’s a black disney character

[@CBass100]

What If... this show was bad? 🤔Also, great video, one of the greatest of all time I would say.

[@cjvoerman5591]

The climax literally should’ve been how T’Challa convinced Thanos.

[@333mirage]

"you grabbed a kid with the wrong skin color" should've worded that better

[@puggietaur]

name the lie

[@patrickaltier9718]

These videos really made me realzie how much I turned my brain off to enjoy some of the episodes. This dudes brain is on overdrive

[@AlfredoPuente8]

Wakanda is already a Gary Stu country.

[@icehoof]

That's not true, a group of people who would lose their shit if they saw a light bulb would obviously be able to process a super material and then not name it after themselves, or use it to enslave the rest of the continent/world

[@echothesilent4693]

If you stretch a little "*had* taste" doesn't necessarily mean helas dead. Like how I can use it in this sentence I just made: "That woman who I met so long ago had great taste in headwear." It doesn't mean she's dead, just that the interaction of learning her taste in headwear was in the past. It helps if you imagine it in the context of someone reminiscing of the past.

[@puggietaur]

that's true but then where is she? how did he obtain this?

[@echothesilent4693]

@@puggietaur There's many possibilities, maybe Collector helped destroy Asgard in exchange for the helmet. Maybe she was incapacitated but not killed and he just stole it. It's too open of a scenario to form an idea of what happened.

[@SuperMattman21]

It’s implied she’s dead because Hela is an extremely angry woman. Who would never willingly give up her crown. She would rather die than give it up. Him noting it using that language double implies that he was the object of her demise.

[@echothesilent4693]

@@SuperMattman21 if I could get another powerful entity to help me get revenge for the cost of my helmet, I'd accept it if I was her. Considering how many things are changed in the what if series that happen before the splitting point, she might might've had worse odds of beating her dad in this universe.

[@Fly-the-Light]

@@echothesilent4693 Maybe it's just a copy of the Helmet?

[@Captianmex1C0]

To be fair not only did Tchalla grow up in the safest nation on earth, in royalty, And surrounded by futuristic stuff. I feel like the Ravager spaceship just looked like a Tricked out Hotrod. Like a Kid growing in in a mansion surrounded by rolls royces, Going outside and being kidnapped by a Modded out Challenger or something

[@TheGotreck]

It could be nice to see how this T'challa would be different from OG starlord and from OG T'challa. What flaws he would have? What virtues? But no, he is just a better starlord.

[@agrape2887]

Plot line was so nonsensical they made an entirely new mcguffin to make it work

[@crablord8499]

I feel like the writers didn't watch Black Panther and assumed that T'Challah is just a super soldier or something.

[@legocommandercody212]

I’m binging all these what if analysis episodes, they are great

[@Thelisreal-sh3tz]

11:25 it might not be a retcon, just Thanos being wrong/not checking the planet because his delusions say he cannot be wrong so why check at all?

[@reddeadspartan]

I always thought it was weird for Marvel Studios to put out a short bascially saying "yeah, if Peter Quill Star-Lord never existed the universe would be a better place!". Like regardless of who they replaced him with in this What If... it just comes off as very weird? Mean? I don't know it just doesn't sit right with me.

[@Antigen__]

How could Robin Hood-ing the entire universe even come close to being an alternative to Thanos' mass culling? His original argument wasn't that too few people are hoarding all the stuff; it was that the stuff _will_ run out eventually no matter who has it or how its distributed. The only way to remedy that was to reduce the number of people. T'Challa's little hobby is acheving absolutely none of that

[@Chance57]

Dont underestimate his exaggerated swagger

[@johnnycrown5097]

Wait a minute, how did proxima know they're ravagers??? Did korath send his resignation to the collector as well writing I'm with the ravagers now or did she see it on his Instagram??? And why is it a problem that the ravagers crew are fighting each other??? Especially when she just let their leader in... What if the ravagers are normally this rowdy considering they're pirates??? And why isn't the black order moved to aee Thanos??? Did they forget who he is or have they never met before??? I have so many questions...😢

[@puggietaur]

I think she can tell they're Ravagers bc of their uniforms. The ravagers fighting each other is a problem because they let the leader in, which made her realize that this was a distraction. The black order not being with thanos is very strange, idk why they would work for the collector, but I guess after Thanos became a good guy they didn't like him anymore

[@johnnycrown5097]

@@puggietaur but korath was working for the collector and hasn't been with the ravagers for even a week if not day except he passed out for months or nebula's offering took months to set up... Korath wasn't dressed as a ravager... And yondu is their leader, and they allowed him in without any trouble so they should know the ravagers are there with yondu...

[@JRWubbz11]

Hey W vid, idk if your already working on it, but please do season 2, its so bad so your review would he so good. Again great video

[@puggietaur]

i already did a video on it but won't be doing episode by episode breakdowns. i consider it better than season 1

[@JRWubbz11]

@puggietaur Awesome, im just going episode by episode right now

[@Oscar9tg]

What If!?...T'Challa was recasted

[@puggietaur]

yeah the way they handled him in Wakanda Forever was really lame imo

[@ink3487]

the "retcon" at 10:04 imo isn't a retcon it's just thanos being so incredibly sure that his plan succeeded he never bothered to go back and check.

[@Guai919]

good stuff, what if T'Challa is still a Gary Stu in the main universe?

[@puggietaur]

I guess we'll see when you release your video 😏

[@midnighter9768]

32:37 There shouldn't be an issue with thanos making this jump because he has super strength like hulk so it makes sense he could jump far like hulk could It makes less sense that thanos could be taken out by an electric attack that normal ravagers survived

[@clever2627]

The simple calculus line is kind of weird after you learn the population differential equation.

[@jarlomilf]

to be fair Korath couldve still been hired by Ronin to find the soul stone considering Ronin defies Thanos and his whole goal was to destroy that one planet, but still Thanos not being in the picture does cause many problems.

[@jarlomilf]

watched approximately 10 seconds further into the video and heard that "Star Lord" stopped the kree invasion so now it makes even less sense for Korath to be there.

[@nieveangeletti1271]

11:04 I always took this to mean that Thanos just *believed* that he did the right thing, *believed* that his “balancing” act saved that world, he never actually went back to check on them, and Gamorrah didn’t argue about it because, as she says seconds later, he’s fucking crazy, and there’s no point in telling him the truth to try and change his mind

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

Look, someone who knows that "Mary Sue" is a purely female term, and that male characters cannot be a Mary Sue. Also, someone who knows that "Gary Stu" is a term. You don't see a lot of those.

[@VibeElectric]

Mostly because newer things have guys be stupid in movies being the butt of the joke more than women

[@123Voynich]

I think the writers thought he somehow had all the black panther powers as a kid

[@masterblaster2273]

Great video

[@WhoTookSaltyCabbage]

Also how is Kraglin an adult in the flashback scene? I guess it was only officially confirmed in the Christmas Special that he and Peter were around the same age but I kinda already saw them that way

[@puggietaur]

the christmas special broke what if's continuity 😆 this show actually establishes certain things that get contradicted later (for example, the second vibranium asteroid in BPWF doesn't work with Yondu's guys only seeing one strong source of cosmic energy in this episode) probably because nobody remembered the show

[@MorganEdgy]

4:35 ayo, what do you mean "the wrong skin colour" ? 🧐

[@puggietaur]

uhhhh uhhhh jk they were looking for a kid who clearly was white and grabbed a black kid instead it was the wrong skin color for their mission

[@darkar3333]

​@@puggietaurnailed it

[@bonusbone5118]

The glaze is crazy

[@alainali6010]

"T'challa is a regular human" I wouldnt classify T'challa as the same class as us, rather, as vastly below human.

[@geckals3075]

2 years late to seeing this episode so glad im not the only one who thought this episode was weird. It was clearly only made because the writers and producers new Chadwick Boseman was dying of cancer and wanted to write him as an all round badass. Which in my opinion is insulting to his memory

[@amymialee]

Couldn't Thanos also still make use of his gauntlet? They have one stone which would still probably be pretty useful in all these situations.

[@DeceasedBeast-bd1dn]

Maybe the original title of the show was too long for viewers, they reduced it from "What If, We Hire Writers That Saw Marvel Movies and Didn't Read the Comics"

[@agamerdoesthings9317]

11:15 I might be wrong, but if I remember correctly, she IS the last surviving people of her species. After Thanos killed half their people, the planet fell into ruin, similar to how Earth fell into a state of disrepair after Thanos' snap. Thanos just... Never checked Gamora's homeworld after the culling. He is the "Mad" Titan after all- he's definitely not sane.

[@brankbrank6417]

Him recognising the face and not the mask is such a pointless point?

[@KenC4242]

28:18 this episode play on freaking racism is so cringe tells you everything you need to know about why What if failed

[@reidcacaro2919]

3:52 the watcher says Destiny is just the effect of a bunch of variables but isn’t that the opposite of destiny? If you’re destined to do something then wouldn’t there be no variables since the outcome is already determined?

[@zemufinman1639]

Im going to play Surtur's advocate by trying to make sense of how Helas crown works by making stuff up. Helas crown could be like an animal's tusks. It is part of her and she can "grow" them on command just like her blades because she is a god and that is her innate power. And just like with animal parts you can kill her (somehow, i dont have an answer for that) and "harvest" her crown from her that contains some of her power (it can exist without her and she can exist without it). She obviously has enough power to break Thor's hammer Johnathan without it but she obviously wears it for a reason. It could also be looked at like a "cap summoning lightning with Thor's Johnathan despite cap not being a thunder god" situation. The tool has some of the power of the wielder.

[@FullmetalMrEIsSecondNinetailed]

What if Wakanda didn’t hide itself from the world would’ve been so fire

[@Glo_bwoy]

They missed out on what if Ryan gosling as black panther 😢😂

[@Evan-ep5xn]

I like how the end of this episode breaks more because it means Ego got what he wanted. He probably would have an easier time convincing Peter to go along with his plan since Peter's had time to deal with the emotional baggage from his mom dying of cancer, and we know from Guardians 2 that he's on the level Ego needs him to be for his plan to go off without a hitch. Shortly after the episode ends, Peter goes to Ego, gets absorbed, and many, many planets are buried by blue Ego goo. By stopping Thanos, T'Challa has inadvertently ruined life in much of the known universe.

[@jeepeedurocher]

First scene, writer were like: ``Theyre both black! Ofc they know each other! We are so inclusive and smart with our writing. This doesnt come off lowkey as racist and contrived whaaaatssooever.``

[@peteypiranalover]

I heard this argument around a year after it launched. I am sad i news feed never covered this at the time. I never noticed on my first watch. T' Challa was an awe inspiring hero in Black Panther. I missed it on my first watch. I enjoyed it however yes this is definitely a real issue of this arc. I just missed it.

[@Birds_In_Crime]

Fun episode, i will admit, i did get a few chuckles, but they really could've done a better concept or explored this more seriously, that's the best way to summarize this series, it could have so many cooler concepts, but they go with the nost bizzare ones and just make them comical

[@Grrk_Jr]

If What If…? was good, they’d’ve made an episode titled “What if Wakanda Wasn’t Shit?” and the premise would be the Wakanda that’s implied by Civil War and not the abject nonsense that they became during and after Black Panther Also, I guess Civil War just didn’t happen in this universe. Because Civil War’s plot until after the UN bombing isn’t that reliant on T’Challa’s presence. Wanda would still blow up a Wakanda outreach program and T’Chaka would be there to die when Zemo bombs the UN. Wow, this is bad

[@stethespaniard2]

This was the episode that had me done with this series. How does tchala being star lord make this massive a change? It’s not a logical what if it’s just to praise tchala

[@Miss_Eldritch]

Everytime I listen to Thanos, I slowly am convinced more and more that he was right in what he was doing. Not with the stones, but preserving species by reducing it's population so they don't starve themselves to death. Cutting the entire universe down by 50% is a bad idea because planets that were already cut down by half then immediately get cut down to 25%

[@supremegamingepic]

I wonder if Dr Strange would have seen these outcomes in infinity war when he looks across time to find a way to stop Thanos or if that isnt how it works

[@catkook543]

4:56 i can at least defend that point in that, they arnt referring to just the fact that it's a meteor from space but more specifically, a meteor containing vibranium

[@shahidjamil7087]

Okay, but why in the hell did they pick up a kid when it's the whole city emitting that radiation?

[@catkook543]

@@shahidjamil7087 oh yeah, everything else is absolutely terrible i can only defend that one sentience

[@B.Cypher]

32:37 yeah that jumps totally good he’s at the apex of it half way there and his peak height is just enough to be on the same level as the ship yeah he totally wouldn’t have plummeted down

[@ralfdsouza-ko7dy]

Bad people can't write good people, it always have holes

[@mrkartoffel7418]

Honestly this was episode was not something I took serious but still I think I relatively enjoyed it

[@magma_bone]

yondu could have thought wananda was gone because the force field was up. they picked up peter after they left it

[@Fly-the-Light]

Tbf, Gamora could be the last of her tribe/ethnicity/species, but not the last living sapient things on her planet.

[@hiei374]

Or the planet could've been reinhabited after the planetary genocide

[@emilianomendoza2677]

I feel like Gamora's continuity break of being the last of her race is a bigger break than we're giving it credit. She went from a sole survivor of her planet to now just being a kidnapped member of it to help lend credence to Thanos' methods when there were other ways to do that without undoing her background. Their conversation also implies that she never went back to her home planet after joining the guardians to see that her home is now flourishing, which goes against her character in my opinion.

[@puggietaur]

Their conversation implies the opposite. If she went back to see her planet flourishing, that would precisely explain why she is unable to refute Thanos' point that that is the case. The scene makes sense if we contradict the "last of her people thing" and instead have it that her planet flourished, she went back to check as has Thanos, meaning they both have this information which is why it is taken as truth in the conversation, thus she has to appeal to the immoral method of reaching that

[@emilianomendoza2677]

@puggietaur But it contradicts a huge fact of the universe is my point, when there were ways to work within the bounds of what was established for Gamora's background. It feels lazy, like they didn't double check that fact in Guardians 1 or just retconned it, which would imply that the Nova Corp either has outdated info on Gamora's people or they never bothered to check themselves to see what happened after Thanos attacked it. This change effects a lot about the galaxy and the competency of others outside Gamora and Thanos

[@erickortiz6806]

of course, thanos was wrong in his reasoning about why titan is suffering as quill explains in infinity war

[@slime_creeper8189]

Didn't Dr. Strange say there was only one way to beat Thanos? The Illuminati beat him but ended up all loosing to "The little witch" later on so at least there was another problem in beating Thanos in that way.

[@puggietaur]

i already find that plot point dumb in infinity war but technically he said there was one way to beat thanos at that point out of the 14 million futures he looked into, he didn't look into all of them. they didn't have tchalla star lord handy so that wasn't one of the 14 million futures he checked 😆

[@slime_creeper8189]

I find it a little hard to believe he didn't try to negotiate in a few of those attempts. There is basically nothing as to why Thanos changed his mind and so no reason that it has to be Tchalla.

[@Ze_eT]

@@puggietaur Also, it's 14 million _futures_ from the point of Thanos already having most stones and having sacrificed Gamora for his plan already. I'd imagine the sunk cost fallacy at this point surpasses any argument, including Star Lord T'Challa's "good argument".

[@ultimazilla9814]

9:02 I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU🗣💥

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

You must realise wakanda is in africa hence it suffered from slavery even though it had no connection and did nothing and didnt suffer from it

[@Faintwolf]

I had a stroke trying to understand this 😂

[@axelnilsson5124]

Perhaps Nebula didn’t lose to Gamora but to any of the members of the black order

[@brankbrank6417]

No point removing your mask if you are expecting a negative reaction? You made that up expecting a negative reaction. Most people would just assume a neutral reaction where they can talk their way out of it, he was not expecting the dude to be a big fan.

[@Unlucky1776]

did you rage quit while watching this lmao

[@brankbrank6417]

@ fell asleep but yeah might as well, might come back to it

[@junebug4004]

I hated the what if soo much. That whole series is just terrible fan fic.

[@rms.ziggler7344]

I ain’t gonna lie. I loved this one.

[@damedan9389]

What a missed opportunity to have Djimon Hounsou to reprise is role as "Black Panther". 🤷

[@JoffreDon]

“What If” is like if you asked a 3 year old to explain superheroes. The writing is so beyond awful and the lack of understanding characters, especially one as complex as Thanos, is wild to me

[@underwhelmingdeez]

Tbf I feel like Starlord being significantly cooler whenever he's not Chris Pratt tracks. Everything becomes significantly better when there's no chris pratt in it

[@YuhlemanIncorporated]

I entirely disagree with you on the starlord comment, but they definitely need to stop putting Chris Pratt in voice acting roles.

[@brankbrank6417]

Its not out of character if he is a fan of Tchala star lord, from what I hear Tchala star lord was more well known as opposed to peter quill so already off to a bad start.