What if the Central Powers won WW1?

[@WhatifAltHist]

Y'know, having multiple "first" comments, destroys the purpose of it. Also, what are you accomplishing for humanity?

[@Kosiahswag1]

You sir are Legendary

[@supershuvo6392]

tru

[@lferoannakred984]

first

[@jackiereed1296]

This is what every youtuber wants to say but can’t

[@savagedarksider5934]

So, Hitler never meet Eva in this Timeline.

[@lhaviland8602]

>Create a Greater Bulgaria "Oh yeah it's all coming together" >As a German puppet kingdom "Ohhh nooooo"

[@miko5742]

I see this as an absolute win

[@skelet8337]

Better than our time line

[@mint8648]

also no communist government, so higher population too

[@Fruzhin5483]

- creates Greater Bulgaria *Yeah* - as a German puppet *YEEEEEAAAAAAH*

[@kopan77]

Still sounds better than our timeline

[@alba489_]

Germany didn't plan on directly annexing Eastern Europe after the treaty of Brest-Litovsk. In fact, they established puppet governments in Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, other Baltic states, Belarus, Finland etc. I think they would do the same in this timeline.

[@toasterdogg]

He didn’t imply Germany would annex them. Simply that Germany would heavily exploit their resources and send German settlers. All of this was actual plans the Kaiserreich had.

[@hazzmati]

@@toasterdogg yes the maps althist used in his video implies germany would directly annex those lands. It doesn't show any of the puppet states that would have been realized in that scenario

[@valentinbezdan570]

@@hazzmati If you had actually listened, you would've heard that he said they would likely set up many puppet governments.

[@hazzmati]

@@valentinbezdan570 he said it but would have been nice if the maps adhered to what he said. Now it looks conflicting

[@LeNormieHater]

Krasirriech

[@AlejandroPerez-mg3fc]

It's sad to see how irrelevant Spain has become since the industrial revolution

[@matthewmullin8168]

It's their own fault for being colonially exploitative and not industrializing

[@enderlinde3152]

@@matthewmullin8168 They lost their colonies before the industrial revolution kicked in. Not to mention how other countries tried to exploit Spain, then you have the United States, who invaded Spain. Though, Spain is rich as hell in modern days.

[@enderlinde3152]

@roasted pancakes Yes, th Usa was going to make a push for the Spanish mainland but Germany, France, Portugal and the Uk threatened to join the war or fund the Spanish

[@enderlinde3152]

@roasted pancakes You can read about it in Spanish History books and website's, since the Usa for some reason does not teach the war in detail, not to mention they don't teach the war crimes the Usa did in the Philippines. And the Spanish colonies were really not colonies in Spanish view, they were part of the mainland which is why they all had the same flag. So for European view, Spain was invaded.

[@Revan_miho]

@roasted pancakes could be biased, mainly because the spanish culture and national pride was hitted really bad after the war and many intellectuals wrote about this, they had lost the last thing that was keeping them as colonial "power"(except africa but they only had sand by that time) and they developed a bad relation towards the US after the war of '98. But after the second world war, the francoist spain got really well with the americans mainly because franco and Ike hated commies (there is an interview between him and the CBS) and provided docking rights and military bases to the usa. Also note, spain was fascist during wwii, after that franco kept distance with the fascist party, although still was a ruthless dictator.

[@matheusgu]

As with every alternative history scenario, nothing really changes in South America :)

[@rimanpele]

To something changes in latin america you'd need to change other things. Like: -if Byzantium had won against the Ottomans (or at least survived longer). -if the Confederate states won the secession war. -if the Plague never got into Europe. -if Paraguay won the war. -if Iberian Union never was a thing. Those were more important points for the American Continent than any of the world wars, that could make things really different. But since America is so far from the other continents, other topics have more relevance (for views and stuff)

[@unknownbenefactor8029]

How about stronger Spain that really care about it's colony.

[@rimanpele]

@@unknownbenefactor8029 maybe, but i dont think it would change that much. the spanish territories were too diverse and big. Brazil had many struggles staying united (Counting one of the worst crimes against humanity made in the country, the Tiranny against Canudos, that can be seen here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Canudos - actually, the greatest writter of Brazil and one of the most important of the Portuguese language, Machado de Assis, wrote a whole article about this fact, named "canção dos piratas" - or "The pirates's song", in english, that you can read here, - in portuguese, but google translator may help?, idk- www.biblio.com.br/defaultz.asp?link=www.biblio.com.br/conteudo/MachadodeAssis/cancaodepiratas.htm ) My point is, to Spain hold its colonies together, many atrocities would have to be made, and I still dont think it would be possible

[@rimanpele]

Not counting the Monroe Doctrine, that could be a problem in the future

[@atlistihavesenseofhumorlol2051]

Imagine being an entire continent whose history depends on a tiny peninsula

[@louieggg213]

This world is pretty nice. No nazis, no horrific warcrimes, prospering Europe, prospering East Asia and a strong Middle east without conflicts and ISIS

[@sathaire8120]

Is all nice in all but would anime exist tho? Plus I think the French, English and Russians will maybe commit some minor war crimes

[@louieggg213]

@@sathaire8120maybe were lucky and anime doesn’t get invented

[@antoniomariamacri7500]

Except for Armenians.... And French.... And Italians... And British.... And Russians.... And poles... And Belarus... And Ukrainian... And Chinese.... And Greeks... And Americans (no economic booms in the twenties or fifties)... And Koreans... and basically for anyone who's neither German, Japanese or from the Middle East (and for jews).

[@Haaaaaaland]

@@antoniomariamacri7500 This is ww1 not ww2

[@antoniomariamacri7500]

@@Haaaaaaland I know, and so? Just because Imperial Germany wouldn't kill everyone it doesn't mean it would be nice.

[@Szoobeq]

Your brittish accent sounds like a mix of yoda and palpatine

[@jamieunited6177]

He’s sounds American wdym

[@yinayush8991]

@@jamieunited6177 he does a british impression at 13:32

[@larrypass6720]

It sounds like not just British accent, but a Churchill impression.

[@nilszeman-zachar9112]

@hherbata "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some considered to be un-natural."

[@ryukwalker6233]

Literally, this scenario is like every EU4 timelapse that lasts more than 400 years.

[@wizthegod]

Minus the horrendous border gore of course...

[@kennandunn7533]

more like Victoria II.

[@evvec1490]

its VIC 2

[@MooShaka89]

They need to Vicky3 already

[@John-mp6gu]

Japanese Shogunate Vassal Swarm

[@thebestworst8002]

16:32 I like how Switzerland is just in the middle of everything but it is the only thing in Europe unaffected by Germany

[@splashnskillz37]

Just minding my popcorn

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

11/10 Would stay neutral again.

[@jonomoth2581]

@@thespanishinquisition4078 I expected you to say that

[@miko5742]

@@thespanishinquisition4078 I didn't expect you to say that

[@HerrHamzus]

@@jonomoth2581 No one expected it It‘s the law!

[@JoeMama-zz9hd]

it’s no nut november, i shouldn’t be watching this.

[@dismantledhenry5006]

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[@joemorris8576]

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[@dismantledhenry5006]

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[@dismantledhenry5006]

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[@joemorris8576]

@@chico4ezz365we know delete your whoosh comments

[@MauroDraco]

Cool map showing how all of them viewed themselves as heir of the romans!

[@Newbmann]

I mean FINLAND does to this day.

[@briaormead4239]

@@Newbmann Lol finland? :D What's their arguement?

[@briaormead4239]

@@Newbmann Dude i just checked it and it's ridiculous asf. I mean all claims to being heir of romans are ridiculous but this, this is the next fucking level. Up next: aborigens are the real heir to the roman empire. Like wtf :D

[@Newbmann]

@@briaormead4239 it more or less is since they are the last remains of the old Russian empire which called itself 3rd Rome they are the last surviving piece of 3rd Rome.

[@Newbmann]

@@briaormead4239 yeah I mean how long before Tunisia claims to be 8th Rome.

[@99unclesam17]

Hey the middle east seems like it wouldn't be as bad as our timeline.

[@ronjayrose9706]

*Loads Shotgun* Stay away from the oil

[@zrowe0233]

Well there’s no Israel so I guess this timeline is better by default isn’t it?

[@redcoat4348]

Well it'd be under the *Turks* Just as bad

[@adems.2600]

@@redcoat4348 I assume you're greek

[@wilberdebeer4696]

@@redcoat4348 Bad but Saudi Arabia and Iran are worse.

[@alnotbiggaytho7124]

17:35 I like the fact that you acknowledged the Ottomans taking Egypt and Libya, it does seem likely that they would conquer these countries during ww2 from Britain and Italy, which they could fund easily with their oil money and larger population.

[@MauRM]

Finally, a whatifalthist version

[@ethanbrinkman7110]

You had said that the Germans wouldn’t have supported the White Russians because of war exhaustion, I’d like to argue that they would send more aid in the form of military equipment and military know how, the British managed to fight the Irish and fight rebels in the Middle East after the war, why couldn’t Germany send aid that the whites desperately needed?

[@reidrobinson9724]

The whites were made up of a large anti-german aristocracy. The only thing preventing the russians from attacking the Germans before WW1 was the Tsar.

[@innosam123]

The Allies didn’t finish off Turkey after the war even though they were supposed to, and the Allies didn’t support the Whites even though they were supposed to be allied due to war exhaustion.

[@wizthegod]

The Germans, like the White Russians, were monarchists. I doubt they would have left a monarchist leaning White Russia to be destroyed by the communist peasantry. Plus, they would have been riding high off a WWI victory that they just achieved. Even in our history Britain and allies attempted to stop and contain the communist uprising, despite being totally exhausted from the war. The perception of a short military excursion by the German military to contain the threat, at the request of an embattled White Russia, would have been perceived to be worthwhile by the German leadership. I am not saying that the Germans would have definitely shifted the tide to victory against the reds, but they would have made a much more serious attempt at it than what we saw in our history. This is something that I completely disagree with Whatifalthist on. Germany would have not just completely abandoned Russia to a communist fate.

[@innosam123]

wizthegod Germany was also practically bankrupt by the end of the war, unlike Britain.

[@philipplawrence]

I agree with you there. The idea of a neighboring fellow monarchy being overthrown by the communists (of which there were pleanty in Germany too) must have been horrific to the Kaiser, especially considering how his cousin the Tsar and his whole family got killed by them.

[@xJavelin1]

I disagree with how your version of a post WWI treaty would effect Britain. Russia had collapsed and fallen to Communism and much of the west of the country was under German occupation already, so fair enough there. With the French Army defeated and Paris in French hands, the French would have to accept harsh terms - (perhaps a rehash of the 1871 treaty?) also fair enough. But Britain wasn't truly defeated, so accepting a peace treaty that involved losing Ireland and other highly punitive clauses? Not likely! True, the British Army in France may have been defeated, but the British Isles were never in danger of invasion. The Grand Fleet was too strong for the German High Seas Fleet, so seizing control of the seas was not possible. Aircraft hadn't yet developed to the stage where they could help bridge the gap in naval power. And the only other option to cause Britain to capitulate would be starvation. Which would have required a superior U-Boat campaign. In the real timeline even an unlimited U-Boat campaign failed to starve Britain into submission while also bringing the US into the war, so it's not plausible. We have two excellent historical examples of what Britain did when a hostile European power gained control of too much power on the mainland - WWII and the Napoleonic era. In WWII Britain stood alone and fought alone for years against Germany. And in the Napoleonic era Britain once again refused to give up the fight despite suffering many losses. In neither case could the hostile power conquer Britain die to the strength of the British Royal Navy. In both cases Britain was completely unable to take the fight to their enemy's heartland until they had gained significant allies. But instead fought a campaign "around the edges" - the Iberian front against Napoleon, North Africa against the Axis. And they also blockaded their enemy from international trade - something which REALLY hurt Germany in WWI. By winter 1916 Germany was nearing starvation, and only conquests in the east (Rumania and western Russia) prevented this. Simply put, there's no way that Britain would have accepted a punishing treaty against them similar to the Treaty of Versailles. They still held too many cards and too much power for Germany to seek to impose it. However, war weariness and the defeat of their army and their allies would probably have brought them to the bargaining table. I believe they would have accepted a face saving peace treaty, but capitulation? No. And given the war weariness and conditions horrendous enough in Germany to ultimately spark a revolution, I believe that Germany would have agreed. So I'd suggest that Britain would have entered the negotiations with the following conditions: No territory loss to France or Italy (the bits Germany wanted, Alsace-Lorraine, they already took in 1871 anyway); a free and independent Belgium (given that this has always been a trigger issue for Britain it seems non-negotiable. Plus they "officially" went to war to protect it anyway, so it would make for a symbolic victory, hence an easier sell to the British people); and a set ratio to the German/British naval strength in a manner similar to the later Washington Naval Treaty (in an effort to prevent a similar naval arms race that caused the war in the first place). In return, Britain would return the German colonies it seized, and there may be some option for trading in this regard. And critically, to basically say "what happens in Eastern Europe is Germany's business". I think Germany would go for this deal, as would Britain and France. All sides could say that they achieved an honourable peace. Without territorial concessions there wouldn't be any burning sense of injustice between them to drive towards round 2. With Belgium strictly independent and neutral, plus a naval agreement to maintain the Royal Navy's control over the seas the root cause of future wars would be removed. And as the victor Germany would receive vast territorial expansion to the east at the expense of Russia, whether formally annexed or merely "within the German sphere of influence", as Austria-Hungary would also be. Given the two revolutions in Russia, rise of the Soviet Union and Lenin's abandonment of all treaties with the Western Allies, I doubt they would mind selling Russia out like this if it meant that their other conditions were met. In this scenario France ceases to be a real threat to Germany. It is possible that over time (and good diplomacy) Britain and Germany return to being the natural friends and allies they were prior to the Kaiser's naval arms race. A potential WWII era war could still exist, but in effect it would likely be the Axis-Soviet front of WWII, with Britain and France less likely to be involved. That's a far more likely scenario.

[@Pebble3007]

Like the thrust of this. Add in the returning, troops in Ireland and 'the stab in the back' by republicans (and supported by Irish Americans, those pesky IRB). Expect a more vicious civil war (which the IWI was) and Loyalists winning. Ireland is the UK vulnerable flank and could not be let go, with some dominant power. The IJN was serving in the Mediterrean at the end of WW1, helping the Allied fleets out. The 20s were a boom time in Japan, but the crash in 29 hit them hard. A more enlightened policy of winning hearts and minds in Asia, along with Indian unrest, might have allow Japan to set up several puppet states. The price for Germany of its Asian possessions to decouple the Anglo-Japanese alliance, might be a price worth paying, especially if Germany agree to hand Papua New Guinea over to Japan. Let Japan to solve the problem of how they were were going to get Australian troops out. It is likely Greece would switch sides back to the Central Powers and restoring the old king, but he might have to wary of Monkeys.......Again as a peace deal, Greece could get Cyprus and store up future problems. The explusion of Greeks from Asia minor could be a way for this happen. Again, German African colonies proved disappointing with the notable exception of Tanganyika with Von Lettow arriving home to a hero's triumph. The Bismarck doctrine of being self sufficent in all commodities. Oil had not begun to dominate at this stage, so Germany and its allies had everything in reach and could be quite well set. Germany could reverse the role and any future threat, could be using long protracted overseas conflict with the Allied colonies to drain any main threats to Germany's

[@sideshowbob]

A vastly expanded/ stronger/ resource rich Germany would have eventually thrown off the yoke of any Brit/German naval treaty & restarted the naval arms race (with aviation thrown in) - only this time with the resources & capital to out build the Brits. In this timeline Germany would have a huge tech advantage as there would have been no brain drain of Jewish scientists/ engineers to the west/ USA. Japan would have gone along with ditching any naval limitation treaties as well. This could have / probably would have sparked an alternative WW2, with the USA being drawn in on the side of a weaker Allies due to the threat posed by such a strong Germany (& Japan) especially on the naval/ aviation front (which would directly threaten the isolated USA). On the other hand, the USA would have had far more domestic German influence so maybe would still remain neutral - at least until threatened directly by a defeated Britain & an eventual powerful Germany / powerful Japan alliance (which would be effective at cooperating in this timeline as both countries would have better, more diplomatically effective governments)?

[@xJavelin1]

@@sideshowbob It's a plausible scenario. But what makes it less likely is the fate of Russia. In the real world Russia went communist, had a civil war that the Reds won, and then immediately sought to export communism by invading Europe. Some newly minted countries like Ukraine were defeated and swallowed up by the USSR, while Poland managed to fight them off (for now). The Soviets then cooled their jets for a couple of decades, working on "developing" their own country and building up their heavy industry. But under Stalin they were always looking west for new territory. I think that in the timeline I established the Soviets will still win the civil war. Stalin should still come to power also. Maybe they won't immediately attack west due to a strong Germany still around. But due to their lost territory in the west that will only be a matter of time. So, 15-20 years down the line the much more powerful Germany you describe may look hard at the situation and ask who it's real rivals/threats are and conclude the following: France isn't a threat anymore. They are simply too small by comparison. The USA is too far away - perhaps the next generation's problem. The Soviet Union, however, is a huge threat. A truly vast country with immense population resources right on the German border with a hostile and expansionist regime, a radically different political system and a historical record of invading Europe through the corridor of territory Germany now controls. Britain, by contrast, is not a threat. Not at all. In fact as a outwardly looking naval power to Germany's inwardly (European) looking land power, Britain and Germany are natural allies. It took immense effort and a completely pointless naval arms race which Germany was always doomed to lose anyway to break that pre-WWI. So my expectation would be for sober heads in Berlin to recognise the huge threat posed to Germany that the Soviet Union poses and decide to reach out to Britain in alliance as a response. And if the price is that the German navy stays small, then that should be fine to them - the only sea they really need to control is the Baltic. True, this new Germany may do something different. When you add in real people with their real personalities and prejudices then anything is possible. But this seems to be the smart play - forge an anti-communist alliance with Britain. Maybe WWII still happens, but is very different. Perhaps this time around it would be the USSR and Japan on one side with the USA, UK and Germany on the other?

[@rwalker0130]

Thomas Farley in the scenario you described, I cant see a powerful victorious Germany accepting the naval might of the U.K.without trying to build a bigger force. You are right that their primary concerns is the Baltic, which they completely control, but they have further concerns now with potential territories, allies and trade in the Mediterranean, Black Sea and colonies. I do not think they would outright fight a war over this, but I think they would build try to build their navy to a point where they could compete. Unfortunately for them, no one has been able to defeat the U.K. in naval might for about 500 years and I still don’t think this would change, regardless of the outcome of WWI. A second issue I disagree with is that I cannot see any scenario where Japan would ally with the USSR. Japan would view a less powerful USSR as a perfect prey and attack them to take their eastern islands and parts of Siberia. This, combined with Japan’s hostility towards China could form an earlier and stronger relationship between the USSR and the fledgling CCP, which could affect the civil war the CCP was currently fighting with the Nationalists.

[@velcranoxofficials9970]

*-by triggered brit*

[@enzo91821]

The map at the end is so beautiful, I wish I lived in that world

[@joshbentley2307]

German?

[@joshbentley2307]

@Damon Arndell ?

[@joshbentley2307]

@Damon Arndell Enzo Bueno: the map at the end is beautiful Me: German? (I wrote while wondering if he was German)

[@angrygoyim8113]

@@joshbentley2307 Enzo is probably italian

[@rohiths3554]

@A F i think it's similar to what it's like now.

[@MajinOthinus]

Well, let's see: There is no Holocaust, the Japanese don't go batshit in China, Europe is far less affected by the war in terms of destruction, since it is relatively short, the Soviets don't last and there aren't those huge casualties in the east.....from the repercussions this would have on WW2 alone, I'd say it would be quite a bit better. We also get a Germany that is strong enough to actually unite the continent. Some might not like the way it would come about, but it's not unlikely we'd have a truly united Europe by now, which is always a plus.

[@br8745]

No, the Japanese would still go crazy in China. Just look what they did to the Koreans. This time-line changes nothing for the pacific, and the Japanese were run by militaristic imperialists, and they would not be able conquer china. We know this because of their fighting in ww2 in our timeline, where they eventually got bogged down in China around Nanking before pearl harbor. Not to mention the Chinese had military relations with the Germans in our time line, so who know what that looks like in this one.

[@MajinOthinus]

@@br8745 The Chinese had military relations with Germany because the Weimar republic could keep it's military industry running by producing for China, since they weren't allowed to produce for themselves. It should also be mentioned that in this timeline, the Germans would likely still maintain Tsingtao as a colony and thus not necessarily be on the best of terms with China. That said, while Japan wouldn't really have lost much in the war, they would still have been on the loosing side, thus tarnishing the reputation of the military in the public and making it less likely, that they would seize power in Japan. With a very weak Russia it seems more likely, that the Japanese would invade far eastern Russia instead of China, especially since it would also be more suitable to the goals of japanese colonization than China ever was. Without the Washington Naval Treaty, it's also quite likely the Japanese might have bankrupted themselves with their extensive naval build programs (which took up a huge proportion of the japanese budget), thus leaving the army too starved of resources to contemplate invading China.

[@MajinOthinus]

@C 1922 Maybe, maybe not. "Anime" exists with certainty, seeing as it's just the japanese word for animation; though it's form might indeed be different. Then again, today's anime didn't just evolve from Japan's defeat in WW2, the cultural and artistic roots go back far longer than that, so it's actually not too unlikely, that it would exist in a similar form to what we have.

[@Just_a_Tool]

@@MajinOthinus Yeah but this timeline has hentai though.

[@MajinOthinus]

@@Just_a_Tool Seeing as humanity produced pornographic material as far back as the classic era, I don't think that is a particular front we'd need to worry about. Rule 34 is a law of human nature, not of history.

[@christopherx7428]

12:00: The map of Japan is missing the Southern half of Sachalin. I see no reason for the Soviet Union to have seized this if the central Powers won WWI

[@raycortinas3271]

Germany winning WW1 with the US out of it, would definitely made the world a better place.

[@xnet_cascade6257]

Yep, no debate there

[@briandietrich1373]

Agreed....

[@G1ennbeckismyher0]

I would agree except korean culture would probably have been wiped out

[@OffensiveMiddleFinger]

The World Wars wouldn't be the United States' problem, I like this

[@DerEiserneBuerger]

As a German, i think it would be cool to be the most powerful country in the world. But Germany would not be a democracy in this timeline...im not sure if i would like this

[@fatcatinatuxedo7274]

Damn Finland looks so beautiful as ever🇫🇮😍

[@pan6144]

Finland with Karelia looks sexy, ngl

[@pan6144]

@Eppu Melto FeelsBanMan, but can you explain more? I'm interested

[@pan6144]

@Eppu Melto Nice story, bless your family

[@herramirtsaaja9032]

@Eppu Melto well Someone else with half the genes of you would exist

[@ls200076]

@@herramirtsaaja9032 But not him

[@petermann673]

"That's a separate video" Yes, please proceed. A WW1 where home by Christmas would make for a very interesting alt-hist! Do you think an alternate point of departure could have been if the Spanish Flu didn't happen? Would removing the nerfs from that been enough for the Spring Offensive to have succeeded?

[@grubbybum3614]

It definitely would've meant no H-man, or the No-no's from overtaking Germany. And Germany would probably be the strongest economy today.

[@تومبدونجيري]

I don't think so as no spanish flu means more deployable soldiers for america and its allies

[@aetu35]

Nice remake. Also, what if Aurelian was never killed?

[@jonasastrom7422]

you just had to bring it up....😔😔

[@aetu35]

@@jonasastrom7422 Don't be sad because he died. Smile because he existed.

[@ronjayrose9706]

He was too pure for this world

[@aetu35]

@@ronjayrose9706 Well Constantine (another super kickass emperor) survived so why not Aurelian

[@theoveranalyzingcinephile983]

*Dovahatty intensifies*

[@imperatorecho9527]

that moment you're reading a ww1 book and whatifalthist posts this

[@WhatifAltHist]

Which one?

[@Newbmann]

In before it's storm of steel

[@WhatifAltHist]

@@Newbmann Ernst Junger, classic.

[@Newbmann]

@@WhatifAltHist yeah I know which is why I brought it up How long before you make a video on player piano and the effects of creating a alternative to human labor? Ie robots Probably never but since you ranted about the effects of space warfare in your video about the 10 hardest countries to invade It's not out of the question.

[@imperatorecho9527]

@@WhatifAltHist The First World War, written by Laurence Soundhaus. It says here that he is a teacher in the Indianapolis University.

[@leifleoden5464]

No Holocaust, No use of thermonuclear warheads in anger, no massive communist famines, No American world police, No CIA, a peaceful stable middle east... Not gonna lie, this world sounds a LOT better than the one we live in.

[@marinuswillett6147]

Thank you for emphasizing the importance of Oil in the events leading to Pearl Harbor. Most Americans seem to think Japan attacked us just for the heck of it, leading to idiotic alternate history timelines like The Man in the High Castle

[@danielyeager6666]

What’s the problem with Man in the High Castle? You mean the fact that Japan attacked an isolationist America? That timeline had America embargoed Japan

[@marinuswillett6147]

@@danielyeager6666 The Fact that Britain was conquered. the fact that North America was conquered. Invading America itself was never part of the plan. all Japan wanted was to destroy our navy so we couldn't interfear when they invaded the Dutch East Indies, Philipenes and other Islands to secure their oil supply.

[@Steyr32]

@@marinuswillett6147 fascist don't need a reason to invade a country

[@simnm8057]

@@marinuswillett6147 man in the high castle is a scenario where germany invented nuclear weapons and used in the US if Japan could annex North American lands they would even though it isn't their main goal

[@SolidAvenger1290]

​@@danielyeager6666 In the Kaiserreich timeline mod from Hearts of Iron 4, Japan was more interested in taking most of the Western Pacific from the German Empire & remains of the Entente's colonies and up to Pearl Harbor only. That timeline is more realistic to our universe than the ridiculous Man in the High Castle arc because Germany didn't want nor could control the vast majority of America, the same as Japan. I would recommend checking out their videos & documentaries covering that viral mod/alternate universe because Germany had to deal with other issues after being victorious in the 1st Welkreig.

[@dreasbn]

WW1 was not about "Lebensraum im Osten" or anything. There might have been plans to expand to the Baltic as they had historically a relation with the teutonic knights and the german language and culture had a big influence in Riga and Reval etc at the time. But besides... I don't think they planned to wipe the Netherlands and Belgium off the map... this is rubbish

[@JH-zs3bs]

Agreed. The rulöing Elites in Imperial Germany were for the most part cautious about expanding their territory. I suppose the Austrian-Hungarian Empire served as a warning to not include to many nationalities who are keen on a nation of their own into the state. Nonetheless they would probably have made sure the smaller states surrounding them would be puppets or allies in the future.

[@sergeantsharkseant]

These regions indeed taken from Russia were meant to become puppet states Poland for an example was already created during the war

[@robertjamesabrogar683]

Maybe whatifalthist just ran out of colors to color the puppet states that's why it looks like germany just swallowed all of the regions

[@lordanonimmo7699]

@@JH-zs3bs They would probably create a similar thing to the EU but german dominated,that could eventually evolve into the EU,but the main reason they wanted this was to have a similar thing like the commonwealth the british had,so german companies would have a larger marketbase and also more supplies.

[@andrewiannelli7635]

@@lordanonimmo7699 They actually had a plan for this, called “Mittleuropa” it was to be an economic bloc, like the EU, headed by the German Empire.

[@infamousempire8302]

2:41: Finally, SOMEONE said it!

[@tommytingtong]

And what was that ? The UK doesn’t want a united Europe , No, we don’t want a German Europe - that’s what we don’t won’t , because how did it go before ? Moron

[@hurronivich2652]

Nah we were interfering with European politics for years trying to keep them divided. Thats part of the reason we got involved in the 30 years war.

[@DongusKongus]

It's common knowledge that britain wanted a divided europe, so did russia, so did every mainland nation that didnt want to get annexed by a greater power

[@hurronivich2652]

@@DongusKongus Ye a divided Europe meant that the British could just focus on the colonies and keep its largest economy in the world.

[@atrashlemon7735]

The french were brave in ww1...yea...i think a lot of people know that...the memes is the second world war

[@RottingFarmsTV]

"promise you won't cry?" "I promise"

[@HannahHäggAutisticTransWoman]

Remember that Sweden almost joined the central powers to take back Finland from Russia but it never happened

[@ratyjoona]

That would have been a terrible thing to happen

[@MrSarki]

In terms of the current situation with most of the West being democratic and allied I think this world is better but in a world in which the Central Powers would've won there would have been no holocaust, Communist suppression of Eastern Europe and Japan probably wouldn't have commited as many war crimes in East Asia.

[@Crick1952]

@Biracial Boy Incest is wincest

[@bmc7434]

Most of the Western Powers was Non Democratic Monarchies much like the Central Powers

[@nimbus3005]

@@bmc7434 yes, better than our timelines.

[@macaronus3032]

Well you can also say the middle East would be at the state it is today

[@richard35791]

democracy isnt always better than monarchy, look at us prrsident last 8 years

[@sharkronical]

What if Guatemala won the Sino-Japanese War and conquered Siberia?

[@stormy9557]

.... excuse me

[@onebot4257]

@@stormy9557 What if Guatemala won the Sino-Japanese War and conquered Siberia?

[@AshGamer007]

Then Poland would've conquered all of Europe

[@stormy9557]

@@AshGamer007 im fine with that

[@allesarfint]

Let me simulate this scenario in the totally accurate military history game of HOI4 ... Yep, communist Brazil would have conquered most of Europe after Luxembourg defeated Germany but were unable to win against the Fascist Russia, giving South Africa the opportunity to conquer the whole continent. Now, after annexing all Central America, Guatemala launched an attack against the Communist US, still weak because of the great depression, which called his ally Japan to the war who was still fighting Russia with Brazil but ultimately losing the war and all of his conquest in China and Siberia which Guatemala annexed for themselves. This let the world to only three major powers, with Guatemala and Brazil fighting in America and Russia while South Africa secures Africa and expands into the Middle East and Australia. If you ask what happened to UK, Italy and France, the first released all colonies after the civil war which let the island to a pre-UK state, Italy lost the war against Ethiopia as usual and did nothing else, and France surrendered to Luxembourg with in the first 3 weeks after allying Germany against them.

[@surge2796]

Germany lookin THICC

[@greyscaleb1537]

The Japanese imperium is larger

[@rupertgarcia]

@@greyscaleb1537 as it should.

[@EndietheEnderman]

If Bulgaria won, they’d definitely take Thessaloniki. That’s the main city they wanted and was one of the causes of the Second Balkan War.

[@lifeofsomeguy8093]

I love your videos, one of my favourite channels!! One thing that occurred to me near the end is it is hard to imagine the rest of the Soviet Union holding together without that Volga region to administer it

[@Urlocallordandsavior]

One possibility I could also see happening in this timeline is German-dominated Europe becoming more democratized, with Germany itself becoming a somewhat tame-down country, kind of like the modern UK or modern/near-future America, with it's satellite states becoming more powerful, like a post-war France or Britain, similar to our modern China. Germany prior to WWI was quite a democratized state, even with the monarchy and its Prussian-inspired military tradition, that I could see more democratic elements developing within Germany in the years following the First World War, with the generals slowly giving power back to the Reichstag and the Kaiser becoming a constitutional monarch like our present-day monarchies.

[@JH-zs3bs]

Agreed. The extreme movements on right and left wouldnt have gained their momentum plus the Kaiserreich still intact could keep them in check. But the Social Democrats, Liberals and christian democratic parties were developing strong in the Weimar Republic, without the humiliation of defeat it is not feasible that people would have turned to extremists. BUt they still would have turned to demanding more participation.

[@CorsetGrace]

I think this result is very likely.

[@georgecampbell9638]

Indeed. This is the most plausible possibility. I can imagine a democratic Austria-Hungarian kingdom and democratic Ottoman Empire

[@pedroleuenberger4270]

I believe that instead of just annexing Eastern Europe, the Germans already had plans to install German aristocracies in countries like Lithuania , Poland Finland or Ukraine, of course these countries would be puppet regimes but would not be annexed inside Germany proper but a German monarchy puppet of the Kaiser , like was planned to do with Belgium Edit: you can’t imagine how much I was waiting for this remake

[@saintofgamblingtv5134]

Actually, Finland would be a Kingdom this day if the Central Powers would’ve won, we even elected a king (we were a kingdom for a couple days) and it was of german origins, but due to the entente’s victory, public opinion soon changed towards republic. We would’ve been an independent kingdom and not a puppet

[@pedroleuenberger4270]

Saint of Gambling TV yes , I’ve read about that, and also there were some finish soldiers in the German army

[@saintofgamblingtv5134]

Pedro Leuenberger indeed there were, in both wars but more in WW1 than WW2 due to our own wars against the soviets.

[@pedroleuenberger4270]

Saint of Gambling TV yes, it’s a shame that Germany loose ww1 indeed

[@saintofgamblingtv5134]

Pedro Leuenberger yeah, we wouldn’t have had nazis and the world or to be more precise, europe would be more unified today

[@BudokaiMan-mr9tw]

Glad you finally got around to making this timeline also I kinda wish this was as long as the what if Germany won ww2 timeline, this timeline honestly has more potential then the ww2 timeline.

[@innosam123]

Austria-Hungary didn’t occupy Romania in OTL, why would they in this TL? Also, Japan declared war on the USA largely because the Philippines threatened their supply lines to the DEI.

[@projectjason9708]

Mainly, their reasoning for joining the Axis was because they were insulted, and wanted to prove that Japan was as good as the Europeans.

[@stefanragler9584]

A-H did occupy Romania together with Germany and Bulgaria. Why would they do it? Maybe for the same reason Nazi Germany wanted it as an ally - oil? And Romania was a pain in the ass, even launching an offensive which was thrown back by Germany and Hungary.

[@ionutunroman7525]

@@stefanragler9584 They occupied about 70 % of Romania but didn't manage a full occupation.

[@stefanragler9584]

@@ionutunroman7525 good to know...

[@benjaminmoloy7163]

@@ionutunroman7525 because romania capitulated before full occupation

[@Hordil]

Germany was always the underdog in both wars. As a german i truely think that our nations would have been better of than they did in our timeline here. I can even imagine an even further Situation where - at some point of extension - some parts of germany would break apart from it ( or try it ) to build a new nation. After all, before world war 1, bavaria, baden, swabia, and others, they all had their own armies. That did in fact hinder germany from time to time in the first war. I think, if germany won the first war, states would compete for ownership over the new regions, and this could in fact lead to inner-german wars. yeah yeah, the old warrior tribe instincts x)

[@johnhall7215]

Germans do tend to favor disunity and decentralized government when put in massive governmental systems . Examples Roman Empire and the HRE. All of Germany pre unification.

[@larrywave]

How would central powers victory look like for Finland ? -Finland would have german prince for a king -Finland would conquer all of Karelia and Kola peninsula with arms and backing from Germany -as there would not be league of nations Finland and Sweden would go to war over the Åland islands -Finland would win and take länsipohja as there is big Finnish population -Finland would go to war with Norway as they would want to have Ruija (Finnmark)

[@madmarvshighwaywarrior2870]

And Simo Hayha also exists in this timeline

[@larrywave]

@@madmarvshighwaywarrior2870 ofcourse

[@herrakaarme]

I doubt Finland would have done any of them. Germany already drove the Swedes away from Åland. Otherwise Finland wouldn't have had the resources to attack Sweden, and Mannerheim didn't want German troops in Finland in the first place, so asking help from them would have been out of the question and too risky in any case, a German king or not. Norway seems even more far-fetched. Finland would have already had plenty of Barents sea coastline in this scenario, no need to steal from Norway. Finland had just got indepedent at that point, it wouldn't be jeopardised so easily.

[@spider-mv6442]

Why would they have a German king in this timeline?

[@shadow1332]

The war might even have been won without Germans invading Belgium as Britain only joined the war effort when Belgium was invaded

[@Fred_Lougee]

They had to go through Belgium to get into France quickly and do an end run around the French troops defending at the border. If Albert had agreed to let the Germans march through and even offered troops to escort them then Britain would have had no causus belli. Even if Parliament decided to invent one, the quicker invasion of France that comes from not having to attack Belgian positions allows the Wehrmacht to enter Paris unopposed and France would be out of the war before Britain could enter. Rudyard has stated that he believes that the government would reform in Lyon or someplace and keep fighting. I really don't think so. Twice in our world the Germans captured Paris, both times France surrendered, so why would a hypothetical third time be any different? For all intents, Paris is France. It is more than just the seat of government, it's everything that the whole concept of the nation is based on. The rest of the country is just land that Paris rules over. Change that and it leaves Russia fighting alone, once Serbia capitulates, against the Germans, Austrians, and Ottomans along with whoever wanted to join the pig-pile. Japan? Sure. Russia is gonna lose badly so they might as well get in on the fun of carving off huge chunks of bear. Finland? Probably. What the map would look like in 1916 would have Ukraine, Byelorussia, and the Baltic States as independent German puppets, Finland possibly taking St Petersburg to close off Russia completely from the Baltic, Japan taking the whole of the Pacific coast of Siberia and going as far west as Lake Baikal, the Ottomans taking not just the Caucasus but also Turkic central Asia, modern Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan. Lots of stuff ahead from there but I won't go into it here.

[@keymaker2112]

Q: "What if Germany won WWI?" A: "Literally everything is better."

[@mobeenkhan824]

JM Seeing that Germany had a reputation for being tolerant to races until the Nazis came along (this is by 1800s standards so don't be too optimistic) they probably would be better to their colonies. Although I am not sure whether or not the tolerance is only for Jews or for races in general.

[@zgramzhnisk3036]

0:15 Call me a map nazi but how did someone as informed about history as you mix sardinia and corsica

[@bevbevan6189]

OK. You're a map nazi. But it is inexcusable.

[@mackycabangon8945]

I did that in one of his previous videos :P

[@madmarvshighwaywarrior2870]

Where did Apulia come from? Wasnt mentioned in this video

[@mackycabangon8945]

@@madmarvshighwaywarrior2870 thumbnail

[@jacknapier530]

I didn't watch this video but that giant Germany map is *beautiful* :)

[@Tounushi]

As a Finnish nationalist, I would prefer this timeline.

[@stantorren4400]

Nationalism, the modern breaker of the world

[@Tounushi]

@sisu mies Pretty much full finn, though an ancestor was a jahtimestari during the empire.

[@gumdeo]

I'm not Finnish at all, but I too prefer the bigger Finland with Karelia and Murmansk.

[@ChefHathaway]

I think Japan would've still gone authoritarian, as their economy collapsed after WW1 due to everyone going back to work in the West and no longer buying Japanese goods. They essentially had the GD start in 1918/19, so I think they'd still be on the track to the same outcome in this timeline as in ours.

[@wizthegod]

Agreed, at this point in history Japan was on an inevitable rise to authoritarianism and a crash course with the West I feel.

[@richard35791]

better than north korea insurgence at least

[@mint8648]

How did that cause authoritarianism. 1920s was period of taisho democracy. Please respond

[@ChefHathaway]

@@mint8648 Purely economically, they had a chronic recession after the economic boom of WW1, bank failures, and natural disasters. Granted, the onset of the GD in 1929 really set it off, but the slow slide began in the 20s.

[@mint8648]

@@ChefHathaway so what explains taisho democracy?

[@SlayerBG93]

I think the Balkans at least would be much less of a powder keg. They borders were redrawn based on allied interest instead of ethnic borders and hence the problems. The allied nations in the Balkans would probably turn to the axis since theyr main reasoning for siding with the allies was wanting to go vs Bulgaria. Bulgaria wanted to expand to the teritories that at the time were a a Bulgarian ethnic majoryty and thats more or less the map shown here. With a much stronger Bulgaria that was historicly aligned with Germany and axis on all sides countries like Romania Serbia and Greece would all turn pro Germany so i dont think they would be directly occupied since that would cause massive revolts. The Balkans had a strong independence mentality since they had a poor experience beeing conquered by the Ottoman empire for centuries. Macedonia wouldnt even exist since most of the population self identified as Bulgarian pre 1913.

[@lhaviland8602]

"Macedonia wouldn't even exist since most of the population self identified as Bulgarian pre 1913." Greece breaths a heavy sigh of relief lol.

[@zuzudernegger9721]

@@lhaviland8602 No, because Macedonia would be in Bulgaria and Greece had unfounded claims on the territory.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Yes! Finally! Germany winning WW1! Never clicked so fast on an alternate history video.

[@antoniovrdoljak9075]

@Plamen Stoev I clicked because of Austria-Hungary surviving

[@antoniovrdoljak9075]

@Plamen Stoev Personally I don't think so since a New EU would be formed by Germany and we would be closely tied together, there wouldn't be a war only the possibility of Bulgaria joining as another republic to the Federation

[@rellosapostolos2266]

The allies are better

[@lhaviland8602]

16:22 *Heavy Finnish breathing intensifies*

[@gorkamorka41m84]

7:42 : I wouldn't say that poles viewied being part of the Austro - Hungarian empire as one of their golden ages. That's literally one of our dark ages.

[@thegoodgoat4653]

And about that. That is just some Allied propaganda that we opressed these minorities THIS much.

[@marcelflow3121]

No don't belive the anti Habsbug Propaganda, everybody likt the Habsburg Overlords.😂😂

[@spider-mv6442]

The Germans didn't care for the Habsburgers either. They wanted alliance, NOT rulership!

[@infamousempire8302]

This is, I believe, the third video you've made about this concept.

[@WhatifAltHist]

2nd

[@taptiotrevizo9415]

@@WhatifAltHist Well there was many ww1 central powers victories in your old videos

[@OhSanjiBoi]

Suggestions: What if the Vikings traveled to West Africa? What if West Africa Industrialized on it's own? What if India converted to Nestorian Christianity? What if DC and 5 US territories were states? What if Carthage moved to West Africa during the Punic Wars? What if the Ottomans colonized the Americas? What if the Mali colonized the Americas? What if the Ottoman colonized Australia? What if the Hashamites were given Arabia? What if the US had Prussian Monarchy? What if the Moorish kingdoms united? What if the Mali had a big Jewish Population? What if Operation Anvil happened? What it Operation Anvil and Overlord happened at the same time? What if France and Austria United? What if China colonized Kenya? What if the Crusaders reached East Africa to kick out the Muslims? What if the Ottomans conquered Iran? What if the Russian took control of Istanbul? What if the Ottomans conquered Morocco? What if the Normans conquered Egypt? What if Japan and Ethiopia made an alliance before WW2? What if Great Britain and Portugal united?

[@Maximooch]

"What if the US had Prussian Monarchy" THIS THIS THIS THIS HTIS

[@OhSanjiBoi]

@@Maximooch Thanks

[@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014]

@@OhSanjiBoi industrialization was something unique to Europe, mainly due to small populations for greater ressources, there is no way an african or asian could industrialize in its own very way

[@OhSanjiBoi]

@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 Both Ethiopia and Japan industrialized on their own.

[@snowfrosty1]

Black and Quirkless Eh, partially in the case of Japan(+Korea). Not really in the case of Ethiopia. Ethiopia and Japan were 2 major regional powers that were able to effectively learn from the failures, defeats, “second hand” wisdom, acquired knowledge regarding foreign State actors, philosophies+belief systems, economics, et al....of their larger more powerful neighboring States that battled and/or aggressively negotiated with ‘Western’/European empires(Mid Eastern Islamic nations, Egypt and other Sub-Saharans in Ethiopia’s case. China in Japan+Korea’s case). One major lesson both regional powers absorbed, with Japan being the one who channeled and actualized the best, was that nationalism and mild yet appropriated European type ‘modernization’+industrialization of their country were necessary if they planned to keep encroaching ‘Western’ powers at bay. Both regional powers had success going down the routes they did for sure yet I doubt, that without overseas foreign influences+re-appropriations and European socio-cultural+economic and military contacts, Ethiopia and Japan(+Korea) would have been able to become as they were 100 years ago. For number of reasons, 2 of them being: - the resource availability+acquisition processes and material conditions in Ethiopia(+the rest of East Africa) and Japan(+Korea) and - the cultures and general nature+inclinations and pre-dispositions of Ethiopians(who were mostly content with their subsistence agriculture and/or semi-arid desert pastoralist lifestyles plus being ruled by a near absolute Christian monarch) and of the Japanese+Koreans(who created astonishing, great, and consistently violent yet stagnant feudal states, with many aspects mirroring Imperial China, with little need for foreign trade, industrialization, etc....

[@3Ramzes]

I am Bulgarian, so yes, definitely by our loss humanity lost its chance for a way, way, way better world! :D

[@lightningbolt4419]

🤬

[@angelmiau8445]

Same

[@georgecampbell9638]

I agree, it’s a missed opportunity.

[@smorcrux426]

Hey whatifalthist, when you do videos like this one, I would really like you at the end to explain what would happen to this type of empire in the future? will it collapse, if so, how? btw really thinking on joining your patreon edit: I am now a patron

[@WhatifAltHist]

The reason I don't talk about it is that I don't know. I stop these videos when I know my predictions stop being accurate.

[@grubbybum3614]

That's alternate-future tho.

[@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014]

Thats too much, its becoming sci-fi

[@gerbendenhertog3104]

@@WhatifAltHist predictions will never be accurate, thats why theyre called predictions

[@bevbevan6189]

16:38 How did Italy disunify into two countries? Are we going back to the Kingdom of Two Sicilies? Also, why did Serbia get Montenegro? I thought they both got swallowed by Greater Bulgaria.

[@mackycabangon8945]

I do NOT know why he named it 'Apulia'. The capital would likely be either Napoli or Palermo, not in Apulia.

[@Fourbix]

Because it's an American student who's learning history in the idea that his country was important in European affairs before world war 2 (I mean, just look up to what they where doing and how they were equiped and you will see) . Italy and France wanted to end the war and mutiny started, for a lot of reasons, but if the war lasted a bit longer France would have turned the tides because they came up with far greater and more advanced strategy than ever before, witch made them become the greatest military power on earth before the disaster of 1939 due to backward military ideas and the 3rd republic existing as it was. In fact, the putch of kapp would have likely triggered sooner and during the war, because Germany certainly had less mutiny (even if it was still huge) but the fact is the French population was "revanchiste" while Germany's population was on the verge of a communist revolt like the one in Russia. In the spring/summer of 1918, some German generals already admitted defeat, like Ludendorff, who presumably said "the French truck won over the German railroad" Wich was a good way to describe the situation. If Germany wanted to win the war, (ignoring the consequences put up in this video are far fetched) it would need to have Russia never entering the war or giving back alsace Lorraine to France in exchange for giving up it's alliance (Wich would have probably failed). So, in the end without an unexpected alliance like the USA, Germany probably never wins WW1 because her poor diplomacy with the whole West was her real demise.

[@Fourbix]

@Plamen Stoev this doesn't change the mecanization difference, or anything I pointed out. Having a lot of soldiers won't stop the combination of the three forces France started to put on, it wouldn't make any difference in front of a Renault ft and what by that point would the German do against an army with FCM 2C , integrated tank divisions, greater supplies lines and motorised infantry? The war would only drag on to the point where the ottomans fell, then Bulgaria, Austria (Wich was crushed by combined offensive, some Frenchman came really near Vienna at some point), and Germany would have to stretched their line even more while the whole Balkan's nationalists are supporting their foes, being absolutely encircled and unable to get the oil supplies needed to match France. There is more delay to the German defeat but it certainly happen.

[@Fourbix]

@Plamen Stoev well I thought I was argumenting with someone actually interested in history, but it seems I'm talking to someone Witch is just a strong German nationalist, so much so than giving me even clues or whatever evidence of a possible German victory didn't even came to his mind. I feel sorry that your country was born and feast on useless pride and the death of other Europeans. But maybe when the German government will be replaced , France and Germany will be able to be brothers again.

[@Revilo4742]

@@Fourbix USA gave the entente alot of morale, without them the French troops would be in terrible conditions while the Germans at one point could take time to fully resupply.

[@stefangrobbink7760]

That last map looks like the setup of the world in the book 1984 in broad strokes.

[@JamesCook-tj2fq]

I enjoy this channel. I write "what if" scenario as a hobby

[@MaytayMaya]

As a Scot seeing an independent Scotland makes me a happy Scot

[@darko1489]

bri'ish

[@dylanlivers98]

Damn that's a thicc Germany in the thumbnail.

[@TheBrianp1]

When the Mongols and Manchus turned Chinese they pretty much moved into China. You would not get that with Japan, most of them and their leaders would have stayed on the home islands, people and leadership more isolated from Chines influence.

[@just_some_random_guy3133]

17:38 In this world the Indian subcontinent would probably not look like this It would either be completely unified or divided into more than a dozen nations

[@mackycabangon8945]

Explain your reasoning

[@just_some_random_guy3133]

@@mackycabangon8945 one of the biggest reasons india got its independence in 1947 was because the british had been teared by the nazis . There military capability was needed to be replaced. The freedom forces had a chance . But you see , in the 'British raj' Pakistan and Bangladesh were part of India. The muslim demand for a seperate country went main stream in the late 1930s. If britain had been difeated in ww2 they probably would have lost the subcontinent in the 20s. And it would probably be even larger as it would contain Pakistan and Bangladesh and parts of other countries as well.

[@saimalianwer7740]

@@just_some_random_guy3133 except thatd result in a massive civil war because muslims wanted their own countries and there were already militias and resistances being formed. Theres no way India wouldve stayed the same size as the british raj after the british left, its either Pakistan and Bangladesh being made or it all exploding into different states like before the mughals

[@starry2006]

@@just_some_random_guy3133 If the Axis powers had won WW2 the Japanese earmarked India as part of their new empire

[@just_some_random_guy3133]

@@saimalianwer7740 the muslims and hindus had been living in peace for a long time, the main factor was nationalism and anti-colonialism. It was only the Muslim league party which pushed for independence

[@Melker63]

According to the Swedish historian Peter Englund, the author of "The beauty and the sorrow: an intimate history of the first world war", the Germans probably would have won the war IF the Americans had waited another 3 months to enter the war. That's how close the they where to achieve final victory.

[@georgecampbell9638]

Damn.

[@fs2728]

The left map at 4:30 is wrong, in 1914 Elsass-Lothringia was part of Germany.

[@yog-sothothery5720]

Spain might join the entente because of Portugal not entering. One of the reasons why Portugal entered was because of the unrestricted submarine warfare.

[@wiliboi2662]

I think this timeline is better, but some bad things still happened in Armenia.

[@yeetus2754]

So your a facist/monarchist then? That’s kinda cringe

[@ivanthegreat2.070]

@@yeetus2754 I assume you're joking, but if you aren't, when did he imply he was fascist? Also, regarding Armenia, it's likely the Young Turks would be overthrown and replaced by a semi-constitutional monarchy in about 1919.

[@FlxKomp]

@@yeetus2754 "fascist/monarchist"? as if it were the same...wtf xD

[@snowfrosty1]

Yeetus It’s much, much cringier to be a status quo ‘Western’ neo-liberal/neo-con or a hardline Marxist.

[@wiliboi2662]

@Yeetus no I’m pretty left actually, I just thought since less people died this timeline was better.

[@Abby_Normal_1969]

This was my primary critique of HoI4 Kaiserreich, that France would go commie. Despite not having a real aristocracy, there were other powerful conservative forces that would have fought against communists. I think France would have gone fascist in a Kaiserreich. Great vid, btw.

[@scottishbananaclan]

Germany honestly wouldn't annex much land beyond just Luxembourg, part of Belgium, and a sliver of France. Everything else would just be puppet states. I could see that maybe a few decades after the great War, Germany would annex the Grand Baltic Dutchy and Courland once they were settled by enough Germans.

[@conradvonhotzendorf4270]

Start of the vid you say that the reason for the early launched operation michael is because of america joining the war. And they could beat Them by attrition. But the most important reason they launched it was the naval blockade. Germany was starving. It would have played out pretty much the same way.

[@TheRandomshite123]

The German attack wasn't stopped by the Americans, they just ran out of steam and were pushed back before America showed up

[@Briselance]

A French watching this video: "Thank God, it didn't happen that way". 😥

[@alin-mihai]

Same for 90% of eastern Europeans (despite the nazis that actually happened and the following Soviet occupation)

[@jimmievonmarienburg6272]

As a Dutchie, I feel very neutral about this; both universes end with us selling most of our stuff to Germany, other than socially I don't think much would change for us.

[@MJPP090909]

Don't you understand, it did happen just in 1992 when the Maastrict treaty was signed.

[@tiarnan97]

An Irishman watching this video: “ I fucking wish it happened this way”

[@JH-zs3bs]

@@tiarnan97 Probably the same for every turkish and arab person. But lets be honest. The Best WW1 would have been the avoided WW1, which could have been possible with a little more reason and alot less recklessness and inflated egos on the sides of all major Powers back then. Britain possibly excluded.

[@TheAndrei40]

I've never seen such a beautiful world

[@antigotumor5929]

Now is the time to stop whatever you are doing, and come watch the best Alternatehistory channel.

[@potatodirt4244]

Alternate history hub?

[@antigotumor5929]

@@potatodirt4244 whatifalthist

[@miguelpereira9859]

Germany would have become the super power of the 20th century for sure. In some ways it would have been a better timeline

[@dominicross96]

good on you for shouting out a small channel!

[@thedoruk6324]

*Happy Volga German Noises*

[@wizthegod]

Pretty much the one ethnic group that stands to massively benefit from this scenario.

[@thedoruk6324]

@@wizthegod Not one but Several Include - Circassians, Chechens; Dağıstani and Abazin :]

[@absboodoo]

Would the British agree to such treaty? They can still force a stalemate just by the naval blockade, no?

[@Meirstein]

If Germany takes France, they could have used the Atlantic ports to get around the blockade. Additionally, holding on to Romania and Eastern Europe would give them all the grain and oil they need. The British were less than 5 years from getting rid of Ireland anyways, so using that as an easy out from the war would seem fairly attractive.

[@annoyingbstard9407]

absboodoo Obviously. But let him have his peculiar little fantasy.

[@husted5488]

@@annoyingbstard9407 Bruh you guys lost battle of Jutland

[@annoyingbstard9407]

@@husted5488 Bruh? Get back to school sonny or teacher will tell you off.

[@RandyMCPEmaster]

If anime doesn't exist, this is worse than our timeline

[@kyleschafer6275]

11:10 Black Monday has hit MEIN GOTT!

[@johnyricco1220]

In this scenario the Soviet Union and China would be close allies against Japan.

[@BloodRider1914]

4:36 Why does that 1914 map have France controlling Alsace-Lorraine?

[@bladefox-ik5iy]

I think he’s es don g it just to troll us.

[@annoyingbstard9407]

BloodRider 1914 He sounds American. Everywhere's just foreign to him.

[@onlyk7201]

Irish person here. As far as what you said for Ireland I don't the Germans would even have the authority to make the UK give up Ireland and I don't think they would have tried. What's more likely is that during the war of independence Germany would support the IRA which would probably result in the 6 Northern Irish counties would be reduced to 3 I'm biased so take this next part with a grain of salt. Even though the 3 protestant counties would stay in the UK it's likely they would eventually unite with Ireland. In this case there would be unionist terrorist groups but you wouldn't see Catholics oppressing Protestants the way you saw Protestants oppressing Catholics. I think the only ones who would care in this timeline would be protestants and those who integrated into Ireland would be excepted

[@lewisthefly1]

17:40, So at some point the Germans would have given German New Guinea to Australia?

[@angrygoyim8113]

Why not we would have half of africa

[@sculpture_9498]

I wonder what would happen if the nation of Belgium never existed

[@jorritvanderkooi939]

Then the Lowlands would still be united under Dutch rule

[@Newbmann]

BLM aka Belgian lives matter Also if that would happen it would just be "greater Netherlands" and slightly SLIGHTLY closer to the "natural boarders of France" IF THE BRITISH LET THEM sorry frankophiles but your never getting more than wallonia at most.

[@o-pitamask4698]

@@jorritvanderkooi939 I think they would be split between France and the Dutch but I think the channel History matters did a short explanation why the dutch people didn't joined Netherlands

[@jorritvanderkooi939]

Der Psychology france intervened and let french people immigrate to wallonia because they aided the seperatists, no split without a seperation

[@Newbmann]

@@jorritvanderkooi939 so then how would the British respond they are the only reason why that Belgium existed in the first place and it was simply to funnel the Germans and french into alsace-lorrein simply so they would struggle to expand into each other like what happened for centuries of the 2 pushing lines back and forth between HRE minors and France. Would they let them go around the only distinct boarder between them before the Rhine?

[@stephenfoulard3484]

I enjoy a good map error, and I found a couple here. (As a collector of such trivia, I'm curious as to where you got it.) Right about the 4:30 mark, you have side-by-side maps of Europe as it was in 1914 and 1922. There are two errors on the 1914 map: (1) Alsace-Lorraine is shown as French, and (2) Rhodes is shown as Greek. I hadn't thought there were any in the 1922 map until Memel (Lithuanian: Klaipeda) caught my eye, but a quick review of the war's aftermath uncovered that the city and surrounding region changed hands only in 1923. Well played, unknown cartographer.

[@stephenfoulard3484]

Additionally, I reject the suggestion that Japan would switch sides: their alliance with Britain, on paper at any rate, extended to 1922, and I believe Japan would have honored it. Afterward, of course, they would likely have turned toward the winner and proceeded on their course to dominate East Asia. Also, since your point of departure is 1918, I must differ with your outlook for the Ottoman Turks. It is highly unlikely that defeat in France would have compelled Great Britain to surrender its gains in the Middle East, even if the Arabs would have allowed such. The colonial situation in Africa might not see the Germans restored since their colonies fell to largely British forces well before spring of 1918. At the peace talks after the war, I'm certain that Britain would remind the Kaiser's representatives that it had been Paris that fell, not London.

[@Gamer-is6ew]

It really depends on what part of the world you live in and your political views to consider either scenario better.

[@thomas3236]

For me, no Hitler, weak Soviets, no american imperialism and no japanese atrocities sound a lot better.

[@donotcare57656]

It would be 100 times better, and I'm saying this as an American. Weak Soviets focused on Germany means no communist ideology spreading in the US, no WW2/Holocaust means that nationalism isn't viewed as negatively. Also we wouldn't waste so much money on the military with our 1000 military bases across the globe, so we would probably have much lower taxes as we used to have. Western civilization as a whole would be immeasurably better off with the Germans winning WW1.

[@Gamer-is6ew]

@@donotcare57656 as a centrist i do prefer the more humane path, but to an extremist that would not be the case

[@thebushwhacker8496]

Weird to think that during WW1 everything was still so primitive

[@TheSkyGuy77]

The airplane was brand new. And by that, I mean wooden and metal contraptions that could just as easily burst into flames as take you to another place.

[@Nostripe361]

I think one of the worst issues with a German victory is American human rights; especially for minorities. People seem to forget that the early 1900s was a very very bad time for non-whites in US as far as lynchings, economic mistreatment, moves to sterilize non-whites while proclaiming they are lesser beings with psuedo-science. Really it was just how terrible the Nazi's were that was a slap in the face of the Americans to drop things like eugenics. Without the WW2 of our timeline I could see either a much slower or possibly even more violent form of civil rights protest as the other races, especially the blacks, are treated much much worse in this America.

[@mackycabangon8945]

13:41 wow, can you explain the "Text" in the Bavaria-Austria border? Is it a people group? An underground society? The overlords of mankind?

[@monkey7558]

It’s where Mr Text lives only real niggas know him

[@hatefulgaming1800]

Honestly I don't think Germany would have had the power to make Britain give Ireland

[@chillaxo9863]

Well they did in this timeline and lost

[@jamesgiblin9134]

I agree, the Germans would be unable to force the British to give anything up for the same reason the Nazis wouldn't be able to decades later.

[@SLEMario]

Totally agree, I think even if the British lost they’d likely agree to fairer terms than what were given to the Germans due to the British Empire being so large

[@awtizme]

Completely agree. I can see the allies potentially losing the land war, but Britain had already successfully defended its place as the world’s naval superpower. Germany was also desperate for the British blockade to end, with hunger and unrest throughout the Reich. I think Germany would grant Britain a pretty generous peace deal, simply to end the blockade and knowing it couldn’t effectively enforce a punitive peace without naval supremacy, bearing in mind Germany’s colonies were almost completely occupied by 1916.

[@MrMakabar]

Ireland fought a war of independece against Britain alone. Germanys navy and army got shrunk significantly in size after WW1(in our timeline). It is likely that after a German victory both the British army and the navy would be shrunk as well.

[@ColonelBragg]

Germany would definitely create a puppet or puppets if not colonies in the caucus region for the oil security.

[@jonobidonofanas3677]

way better world

[@joshuaquessy8501]

I think your assertion that the Germans having greater territory being a benefit to them is wrong. Throughout the Austro Hungarian Empire there was wide discontent due to rising nationalism throughout the Western World. The Germans may well have wanted to colonise these places, but with rising local nationalism it would hardly have gone smoothly. Taking Czechysolvakia as an example, it could just have easily become a replay of Ireland. The Sudetenland contained many ethnic germans, similar to the Protestant pockets of Northern Ireland. And that's not even mentioning the Poles, an ethnic group who were distinctly aware of the fact that they hadn't been masters of their own destiny for most of the last 500 years. All of these inner complexities would have made the situation far from ideal for the German's in the East.

[@murgel2006]

What I like about your videos, even if I might not agree to some or even all your conclusions is that you do always name your reasons and your conclusions from your prepositions are solid. I would be very interested in your take of what would happen with conquered countries. Would they be absorbed and become part of the conquerer or would they maintain their "identity" and sooner or later become their own country again? And especially why you think this would happen either way.

[@G0TIMAN]

But in this scenario Stalin would never rise to power so Soviets wouldn't be that bad.

[@Wes-g2l]

Well, Stalin might have came into power

[@G0TIMAN]

@@melenad6383 How is he worse?

[@G0TIMAN]

@@melenad6383 And? Trotsky was better. If you;re anticommunist and dislike him because he would spread communism better then okay, but he was at least less psychokiller.

[@RichArchilles]

13:38 Ah yes, we must not ignore the possibility of the nation of Text forming between Germany and Austro-Hungary.

[@danielsiegel1046]

Good catch!

[@Longs81]

Even if the western front had collapsed and the Germans had taken Paris they wouldn't have been able to impose any terms on the British Empire. A ceasefire is about the most they could hope for. In 1918 the Royal Navy had Germany blockaded, the convoy system had defeated the U-Boats and Germany's overseas colonies had all fallen. Germany had no means of projecting force beyond continental Europe. They tried at Jutland and failed.

[@rkohnke1]

This is true in our time line. But in his, the United States never gets involved. In the early years of the war, there were several corporations supplying to both sides. Also the Royal navy had initially started to board US cargo vessels. In our time line this practice stopped. but did it stop in his in his? That was one reason that instigated the War of 1812. The answer to that question might have altered the economic condition in the UK in 1918. The Royal Navy might not had the resources to keep up a blockade especially if the US was still supplying the German was effort. Remember that Americans of German decent in the US at the time were the largest minority in 1915. The German language was studied on par of what Spanish is today. If a lot of things never happened and the US never was pushed onto the British side, Neutrality would have taken a big chunk out of the Royal navies supplies. meager supplies would probably meant a lighter blockade force or none at all. If the Royal navy had not stopped boarding US cargo vessels, the US government might have started armed Convoys to German ports to protect interests. that might not have brought the US into the war on the German side, but it would have been disaster for the British government.

[@RomanNardone]

with such big players I think that this is a worse time line than our own. There probably would be worse deaths in our time line in world war I and II but i think the central powers timeline would have much more frequent bouts for control of land than we do now. With such solid powers and less allies I could definitely see a continuation into world war III with empire animosities growing to our current timeline

[@wildborat88]

I don't know i don't think this would happen even ambassadors of the austro-hangarian empire and Germany condemned the armenian genocide at the time and seeing other Christian genocides done like the assyrian genocide greek genocide lebanese famine would make the public view of the Ottoman Empire negative and also seeing how oil rich the Ottoman Empire would be unlike Germany would probably make Germany attack it or conspire to attack it with the support of the public

[@ethanbrinkman7110]

The young Turks were sceptical of nazi Germany in ww2, but stayed out, I don’t think the Turks would do much expect maybe attack former territory they owned, cause that was their plan during ww1, so I think they would have more sympathies with kaiser Germany but also a lot of stuff can happen in 20 years so no one knows how anything would go, fun to speculate though

[@condre8249]

That's not true. In our timeline, Germany, France, Russia and Britain didn't do really anything to stop the genocide. Many German officials were aware of what was going on but thought the Ottoman Empire as allies were more important. In this timeline, the Armenian genocide would've been carried out far into the 1920s. Armenia with its small population of only 1 million people, wouldn't be able to defend against the Ottomans. By the 40s, well over 50% of people in Armenia would've been Turkish colonists. The sad thing is because of the winning side, the Armenian genocide would've been more destructive and less recognized.

[@ethanbrinkman7110]

Metsarebuff 22 but Turkey attacked Armenia in the 1920’s, for a few years pushing into Armenia proper

[@condre8249]

@Metsarebuff 22 No this was AFTER WW1. This was the Treaty of Sevres in the 1920s. The Ottomans viewing the christians as inferior and as an enemy would set up puppet governments in Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan.

[@wildborat88]

@Metsarebuff 22 the turkish Government of the Grand National Assembly Happened after the Ottoman Empire but since the Ottoman Empire won it wouldn't happen

[@janisbaumgartner6360]

Britain has always concentradet on her colonies and would see no reason to enter ww2 and probably retaining independence

[@Shanoyu19271]

an united europe is unacceptable to britain, it would enter the war soon or late.

[@emanuelfigueroa5657]

This scenario fascinates me more, as Central Powers had more chance of winning WWI, than the Axis in WWII, especially in the early stages of WWI. Imagine if Italy joined the Central Powers, and let say Spain joins also, and US stayed away of the war, and the Turkish actually fought well, the CP would have closed the Mediterranean to the British, and there would be an armistice.

[@savagedarksider5934]

Or if the U.S joins the Central Powers.

[@perniciousseizurehellio3438]

The turks fought very well for having less of almost everything than the entente. Look at the battle of kars for example where britian received one of its worst military defeats ever