WHAT IF THE DBZ MOVIES WERE CANON? | A Dragonball Discussion

[@ernestopicazo189]

what if the abridged series was canon?

[@Soul-Hook]

Hands down best anime of all time. Everyone else can go home.

[@Melkac]

It would make DBZ a real classic in the quality department.

[@ellis1958]

Father Pucci - Made in Heaven not that much, that isnt what happens no matter what, he drugs himself to death, that is more plausible than what you said

[@vampman87]

I wrote a whole backstory for Nappa after his conversation with Vegeta after Season 2 of DBZA: Nappa, now a producer on low budget Indie films, takes a chance and casts a struggling actor named Hercule Satan for his next movie, Citizen Nappa. Citizen Nappa breaks box office records, wins 15 Academy Awards and solidifies Mr. Satan as a legitimate actor. Nappa has him sign an exclusive contract with his studio, then produces a string of action movies with Hercule in them. To help promote these action movies, Hercule wishes to attend the World Martial Arts Tournament, and Nappa secretly bribes the judges of the Tournament to make sure his biggest star wins, further boosting his image. However, Mr. Satan is unaware that Nappa rigged the tournament, and genuinely thinks that he's the strongest person alive, so his ego starts to get the best of him. Nappa and Mr. Satan clash creatively over the next movie, and the arguing gets so bad that Nappa wants to fire Hercule for insubordination, but realizes if he does, his studio might collapse. Enter Cell and his open invite for the Cell Games (sponsored by Hetab) Nappa gets a call from Hercule about the invite and, knowing that Cell is IMMENSELY more powerful and Hercule has a giant life insurance payout, decides to encourage Mr. Satan to participate. Why fire your biggest moneymaker and risk other studios snapping him up when you can just let him die of his own stupidity and re-release his movies as "Legacy Editions"?

[@slimerghast]

Then it would be a blast

[@burgerkingJ]

I always thought Fusion Reborn was a what if story. Like what if Gohan actually defeated Super Buu without him getting the chance of absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo. Then Goku would still be dead, Vegeta still be in hell, (Good) Majin Buu not around, and the only ones who can do something was Gohan, Goten, and Trunks. Besides Vegeta would've been still alive if Goku sacrifice himself with the Spirit Bomb.

[@cyberfroggx4622]

burgerkingJ it could even be that Goku SSJ3 just went full power and quickly killed Fat Buu (which he was capable of) but Masako theory makes more sense since in fusion reborn trunks and goten used fusion meaning that goku showed them the fusion dance which takes place after Gohan presumed dead and goku ssj3 fight

[@BrentNewland]

>Like what if Gohan actually defeated Super Buu without him getting the chance of absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo. Goten and Trunks didn't know fusion in Bio-Broly, which came after Buu was dead. They knew it in Fusion Reborn. Therefore, Gotenks might not have existed until after Buu.

[@dave9020]

Isn't Non-Canon always What-if?

[@hdofu]

+some impersonator, good or bad its still just with the exception of some dc and marvel stories where it falls under what is the equivalent of virtual machines on computers but with universes, it is non canon

[@streetlighter4426]

OH now it all makes sense now.Fusion Reborn always confused me man.Nice.

[@jakehbbs630]

5:49 "Blonde hair is a sign of delinquency in Japan" So is that why Chi-Chi constantly kept calling the Super Saiyan forms of Goku and the other Saiyans delinquents in Budokai Tenkaichi 3?

[@Weiss3r]

yes

[@goldensans5893]

yes

[@speakeroftruth5739]

Yes

[@biglion3179]

perhaps

[@Wirtz_Is_the_goat]

"Vegeto, the ultimate super delinquent!"

[@Unforgiven11]

Fusion Reborn is my favorite! I wish Janemba could have been a villain in the series, his final form has such a sweet design and I love the way they animated his teleportation ability with him disintegrating into cubes.

[@ProjektTaku]

yeah. And he could so easily be cannonized. Just have any villain break the soul cleanser machine and have all the evil energy possess someone and boom, you got janemba.

[@lordadrianrichter3409]

Honestly, Fusion Reborn is just a better version of the Super 17 Saga...

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

Due to all the inconsistencies in the DragonBall Universe the fans pretty much make their own canon

[@sketchstevens5859]

LoneStarWolf Entertainment I wish that were true. I pretty much consider everything pre-Super canon and think it should burn while everyone on the internet screams "But that's not canon.. or it isn't anymore". So I live in pre- "Yo Son Goku and His Friends Return" world.

[@uknownada]

The only canon is the original manga by Toriyama. Literally everything else is supplementary non-canon material. (MAYBE the Bardock special because he was put into the manga after it aired and clearly written with that plot in mind)

[@SpiritOfWaterMontaru]

Good thing Freezer has terrible aim. He missed all Piccolo's vital organs

[@Quinntus79]

All of them?!

[@dsdstudios386]

Because he couldn't remember where the glubok was, thankfully.

[@kabanchan5768]

do slugs have vital organs ?

[@Holycow8498]

All of them

[@hardrockmusickid]

He really wasn't familiar with his anatomy

[@nyasha2669]

Can America voting Trump be considered not Canon? Why can't we just be like Dragonball and have a Dog as the Ruler of the World :/

[@yamchathewolf7714]

The world would be a better place, the king Furry is freaking awesome.

[@diogobittencourt5982]

Nyasha Chidume hillary is worst than Trump,but the problem is tha he is radically

[@1krani]

People would still complain.

[@eemelijaaskelainen4437]

Nyasha Chidume Because Dragonball is animated series and we are living in reality, that's why

[@diogobittencourt5982]

Yes, but it would probably be bigger.

[@shadowldrago]

"Frieza's got really bad accuracy." Tell that to Planet Vegeta.

[@rbraunbeck96]

He hit a big stationary target with a big attack, not much need for accuracy there

[@shadowldrago]

Planets aren't quite stationary, they're moving through space, real fast.

[@Soundzzzsho]

I'd like to see you hit a planet with a giant ball of energy.

[@TheArchangel314]

ShadowL Drago Excuse me, but if he were in his chair as is shown he'd be in the planets gravitational wake. Duh!!

[@ALittleBitEpicJeffrey]

Frieza was aiming for Bardock, Planet Vegeta was just kind of a happy accident!

[@ElladanKenet]

Regarding Fusion Reborn, my thought was that Super Buu had been taken care of by Gohan. Goku isn't needed and Vegeta is never brought back either. It's called 'Fusion Reborn' because fusion was still a plotpoint regarding Gotenks. The issue is that Potara is never brought up.

[@moisesquerales6870]

I had that exact theory I had

[@marshal8358]

I actually liked another "Non-Canon" "Movie (?)" Villain, that being Hatchiyak. Now, I am not sure what his connection might be with Baby (Tuffle products and I think that Eradication of the Saiyans was planned a long after GT) but he could possibly fit somewhere, right?

[@DarkerWorlds]

The movies are all cannon to GT

[@lieferal4984]

This is true.

[@Cosmic-Bear.]

That's how I've always seen it, to be honest. GT takes a lot from the movies, so why not?

[@werewolves779]

Alex Ivanovic yeah. it seemed they were. especially aince they continuously referenced them

[@GodlyODB]

Blaze V but the movies are during Z's timelines they just aren't canon to Z so idk about that just bcuz they are referenced heavy to GT

[@suprshin]

Seriously?

[@JahovasFitness]

I think most of the movies are just what if stories, events that happened if some changes were made. •Dead zone is what happened if they beat Raditz no issue. •Tree of might, Slug, and worlds strongest are as Masakox describes it (Piccolo survives). •Cooler's story is what happened if the spirit bomb killed frieza (I say this because Goku takes his sweet time transforming into a super saiyan). It could also just be a nice little add-on rather than what-if, as it's events don't interfere with the main story. •Cooler's return is what happened if Gero was stopped by the Z-warriors (nobody was really surprised at Vegeta being a super saiyan here, so they must have seen it before). •13 and company is what happened if the z fighters stopped the other 3 androids, as Trunks still has his sword, and Goku doesn't suffer from the heart virus. • Broly's story has to go as Masako describes it here, as there isn't really any way you can place it that makes sense and has consistency in the sequels. •Bojack doesn't really have a what if. It can just be there no issue. •Janemba is the what if story where Goku kills Buu the first encounter. Goku mentions going ssj3 against Buu, Vegeta's in hell, goten and trunks still know fusion, and Gohan is still alive. All these conditions work fine as long as Buu was killed by Goku in their first encounter. •Wrath of the dragon is much like Bojack and cooler, in that it doesn't need what-if. It just fits in nicely. That's my take on the movies and what they exist as. Feel free to add your own thoughts here.

[@Gu3ssWhatsN3XT]

i think they really should have made bojacks movie canon seeing as it would make sense that he was released after goku took cell to king kais planet and he was free after cell blew up

[@Trunks1stApprentice]

Jake Holland I disagree on Cooler's Return. I tend to overlook the Dende thing, and pretend it ALSO happened during the 3 years before Gero. Goku and Cooler were the only ones who saw Super Saiyan Vegeta in the movie. And... Well, Cooler died, and Goku was out of commission when Vegeta went Super Saiyan in the show.

[@Naru4Real]

I think this makes the most sense but im still wondering how the episode of bardock can fit

[@JahovasFitness]

Trunks1stApprentice Well, as for Goku being out of commission, it's not like a recap of what he missed after the fight would be out of the realm of possibility. He'd surely ask about it. As for others not seeing Vegeta, they can still sense energy, and they definitely would felt Vegeta's after going super saiyan. But, since Dende was on the lookout at that time, that does throw a wrench in my original placement of the movie.

[@luizcourret]

Wow, those what-if scenarios go along just like the alternate endings on Chrono Trigger haha

[@georgewolstenholme672]

In the DBZ game 'Buu's Fury' they fit in Broly II and Fusion Reborn in the main story. Broly II occurs right when the heroes are searching for the dragon balls. (Videl doesn't show up, Goten and Trunks take him on alone). Fusion Reborn occurs right after Goku goes back to Other World once his time on Earth is up.

[@mcfry13]

I was just going to type this. love that game. must have beaten it 6 or 7 times and still play it from time to time when I am bored. I the game's explanation, but Masako's weren't too bad either

[@god_of_none]

"Blonde hair is a sign of delinquency in Japan by the way." IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW

[@WhiteWomanSlasher]

Super Saiyans? More like Super Delinquents. XD

[@tamathemaoriengine3203]

welp, we got Broly. now we need Cooler

[@RacingSnails64]

Considering Frieza was revived at the end of the ToP and is back in control of his empire, AND given he refused to revive King Cold, I feel like Cooler is EXTREMELY possible to turn up in the main canon. It'd be weird for him to NOT turn up somehow in a way. Idk if he and Frieza would join forces against the heroes, or if they'd start fighting over territory and the heroes would have to stop both of them from causing destruction, or if Frieza would continue his learning to trust arc from the ToP and have to team up with Goku again because Cooler wants to obtain Broly's power for himself as well or something. Who knows! So many opportunities for unlikely alliances!

[@Rawnblade13]

If they were canon, we'd have the most shallow uninteresting meathead villain ever named Broly..Seriously, I'm glad he's not canon.

[@Notorious_Grey]

Raven Brown Better than everyone doing crossfit having no muscles imo.

[@Rawnblade13]

Notorious Grey The guy looks like he eats steroids every day for every meal with the roid rage to match and has the personality of a potato.

[@xavierparis2789]

Notorious Grey Nah, I prefer that.

[@Notorious_Grey]

In a world where a transformation is only getting a new haircut.. where you look like a skeleton but can destroy time in space.. we have.. this weak ass modern Dragon Ball fanbase..

[@Gu3ssWhatsN3XT]

i'd say it would be good if it were canon since in the movie broly was apprarently pissed at goku because he wouldn't stfu as a baby and kept waking him up with his constant crying, but timeline wise, i don't think it would make sense for it to happen then

[@dbzsonic1069]

The one character I would love to see Canon is Gogeta. While he himself is not canon, the concept (fusion dance) is. So he CAN be canon but there just needs to be a situation where it's necessary.

[@CodMikeify]

basically vegito in different clothes lol

[@forgetful9845]

not at all, gogeta Is MUCHHH DIfferent

[@therapy8967]

gogeta IS canon he appears in dragonball GT AND YES the original creator did have a part in making GT so it is canon

[@dbzsonic1069]

GT is non canon. Akira may have aided in character designs and some small stuff, but it wasn't *written* by him.

[@therapy8967]

dbzsonic1069 No, He helped writing a very small part but it is still considered cannon

[@bendu8282]

Even though I heard the movies are non canon I always believed the movies where in alternate time lines

[@saltyk9869]

That's about the only way to make them work. You could even say that the Super 13 movie is the timeline where Trunks and the Z warriors defeat 17 and 18 before Trunks returns to his time (where he is then killed by Cell).

[@Thebes342]

Seems to be how Xenoverse 2 states it as well.

[@CarlSlime]

Films like Cooler, Broly, Bojack and Wrath of the Dragon are pretty much just canon in my opinion because of how cleanly they fit into everything.

[@lieferal4984]

Gotta love head canon

[@redkingrauri3769]

Cooler doesn't really fit for me. Vegeta isn't on Earth while Goku is, Goku can't go Super Saiyan at will, and it implies that Goku actually killed Freeza or Trunks hasn't shown up yet. It fits better in a timeline when Goku DID kill Freeza and came back to earth right away after Namek blew up. Broly TECHNICALLY fits but it's a bit of a stretch, namely that it happens in such a short time frame before the Cell Games. Gohan would've stood a much better chance against Broly given he should be the strongest one there. Bojack...actually fits perfectly. Probably helps it was written with help from Akira Toriyama. Wrath of the Dragon fits well too. Just put it in during the time when Buu was in hiding. Or if its in the timeline where Gohan just wiped out Super Buu and Fat Buu just doesn't exist any more.

[@cloudhazard2860]

X'Elias of Rivia I tried to calculate movie timelines but it was too confusing so I quit a long time ago

[@matheusaragao7640]

VauschthePuca 1 year old comment, i know. But Vegeta isn't on earth because he's training on outer space to acheive the Super Saiyan transformation.

[@stubetsgamer8288]

well broly is gonna be canon

[@GradeAMolvanian]

Just have Piccolo die fighting Lord Slug. Clears up the suicide nonsense. Also, why have Gohan be any stronger than normal?

[@CrystalGreymon]

Probably because of Broly.

[@safiyyahadam2201]

He trained instead of studying

[@aghniyananda8268]

And before that, Lord Slug has found Kami Palace and proceed to attack him

[@WhiteWomanSlasher]

@maltese 0217 Lol, that would be so funny if it actually was animated, I would watch it more than 10 times, lol.

[@EionBlue]

Heck, now I want a Dragon Ball Z remake with all of these stories canonized.

[@csz4135]

Viredae you never know a few decades later

[@hdofu]

they missed a chance with super and the zamasu arc.

[@GalanDun]

That's my plan when I get ahold of the rights to remake it.

[@TheMythicalManiac]

+Alex Shannon I wish you luck man

[@hdofu]

Zadkiel yeah I don't see that happening, granted I don't see myself around in the time when this show goes into public domain, kind of wonder if alex will be.

[@Masterge77]

The movies were always a weird thing about the franchise, and there are four I can put easily into canon despite a few plotholes: Dead Zone takes place before the arrival of Raditz, simple as that, Cooler's revenge takes place between Trunks killing Frieza and the Android Saga, Bojack Unbound takes place right after the the Cell Games and before Great Saiyaman, and Wrath of the Dragon obviously takes place right after the defeat of Kid Buu and sometime before Beerus visits Earth. Interestingly, in the GBA game "Dragon Ball Z: Buu's Fury", both the second Broly movie and Fusion Reborn are tied into the Buu Saga, with Broly's appearance happening when Goten and Trunks are searching for the Dragon Balls, and Fusion Reborn happening right after Goku returns to Other World.

[@callmekady2731]

Masterge77 I think broly fits in the 10 days leading up to the cell games (even thought it’d be strange how they never bring up that crazy stong guy who whupped everyone’s ass) Nd broly’s second coming would fit before the saiyaman arc but videl’s in it

[@callmekady2731]

I’m not sure but I think fusion reborn fits somewhere in there too

[@ProjektTaku]

the first broly movie easily slots in at the 10 days leading up to the cell games. So does super android 13

[@LtDragonfruit]

Broly is in hell? what's a hell? you mean Hfil?

[@-TheLambSauce]

As much as people try to run away from it, the fact remains:History Of Trunks, Bardock:The Father Of Goku, and Battle Of Gods are all 100% cannon.

[@_Tzer]

and ressurection of f and umm the dragon ball minus

[@parkinsaw]

also Bojack could technically be canon only thing out of place is trunks with long hair :)

[@-TheLambSauce]

Tzer Yeah, I forgot about Resurrection F for a sec.Never read Dragon Ball Minus.Heard way too many negatives.

[@werewolves779]

Mannibal Lector you heard bad stuff because its non canon and completely messes up thw burdock stories. it contradicts the canon too much

[@billyesparza9735]

Mannibal Lector I hate your pun

[@Marthonious]

This has me thinking. If Toriyama took all the movies and the series (as well as all of Super once it's done, Obviously) and redid Dragonball from the very beginning. What would he take out? What would he explore more upon? and what would he remove and Replace with?

[@oxiclean8536]

Marthonious id like to see more tuffles Cause baby was cool but he wasn’t even really a Tuffle just a machine with a Tuffle mind

[@superlombax1561]

@@oxiclean8536 Would've also been cool to learn more about Tapion's race too. Maybe Bojack's kind as well.

[@TheShadesOfBlack]

You're telling me Super Saiyan Bardock is canon but Broly isnt?! AUGH!

[@MasakoX]

Well Bardock IS a character in the series and the film (which is not that great btw) implies that Bardock is the ORIGINAL Legendary Super Saiyan that Vegeta talked about in the Namek saga.

[@TheShadesOfBlack]

MasakoX Broly will always be THE Legendary Super Saiyan to me.

[@iTouchin]

Interesting fact, Bardock was actually a non-canon character made into canon. The T.V special of bardock was done before bardock's mention in the Manga, Toriyama did a small nod during the Namek Saga (more specifically Frieza's dialogue with Goku) with a panel displaying Bardock in reference to Toei's special.

[@TheSpliffstarEffect]

Makes sense. It makes Bardock's story come full circle (minus meeting Goku) and also offers an explanation as to why Goku is so strong for a "low-class warrior" as Bardock had immense power hidden away inside of him, that he passed on to Goku. Poor Raditz.

[@victorcheng1544]

MasakoX Bardock can't be the original super Saiyan because he's sent back in time to a younger version of Planet Vegeta which is called Planet Plant instead, this means the saiyans aren't on the planet so their legend can't be based on him.

[@Trunks1stApprentice]

Very nice. I never would have thought of the liberties you took. Tip of the cap, Lawrence. Tip of the cap. Also, suggestion: Not including Gods, are Saiyans REALLY the strongest race in the universe/North Galaxy?

[@allstar1218]

Probably not, Hit was able to keep up with SSB Goku and improved his techniques without much effort. There's also Frieza's race, maybe it's just him or the entire race but he was able to get stronger than Goku and Vegeta in just a few months, while it took them years of intense training to reach that level.

[@Trunks1stApprentice]

RobDog From what I understand, Frieza, his family, the Ginyu Force, Zarbon, Dodoria, and Cui were born with mutations in their DNA. Mutations that make them naturally strong without the need to train and so that even a short span of time spent training can increase their power brutally. And Hit isn't even from the same Universe as Goku, so does it really count?

[@trueMCGRaven]

Universe 6 and 7 are twins of one another so Whatever Rave Hit is part of also exists in Universe 7 just as Saiyans and Friezas Race exist in U6

[@allstar1218]

Hit himself probably doesn't count but his race is in universe 7. Maybe they're like saiyans where they're not as strong or as versatile as their universal counterparts but we don't know that yet

[@Thisdude850]

Nope,the reason the saiyans and the hybrids are as strong as they are is because of special circumstances(or example vegeta got lucky that goku spared him and got zenkais and he got revived as well but their enemies did not have that luxury).Vegeta was considered a special prodigy yet he only had 18000 withought the zenkais and before he started training,elite saiyans like nappa had 4000 and low class warrior like radditz had 1300 only. Meanwhile frieza's weakest warriors(basically the folder like apule)had 2000-3000 each,the ginyu force,dodoria,zarbon were alll stronger than the special prodigy that was vegeta,not to mention how much stronger frieza and king cold were. Then we have the nameks,simple farmers had 3000-4000 each,those of warrior class like nail had 42000 and the original nameless namek who was not even of the warrior class yet was stronger than even frieza.

[@thesalinator3557]

But "Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return" tho

[@thegallantrayku2677]

The Eternal Shenron that's canon because Bulma mentions Tarble in battle of God's

[@Rain593]

The Eternal Shenron Before Battle of Gods

[@rs-pg8mb]

That's a special and it can be placed easily because its before bog and after dbz.

[@TheSpliffstarEffect]

That's canon, as Tarble is directly mentioned in Super.

[@dukespubber741]

Was the original translation wrong? Because when the episodes first aired, the subs didn't mention Tarble at all during the Battle of Gods arc.

[@rahuhe4102]

What if Goku was trained in Magic instead of Martial Arts?

[@ninir4596]

There wont be "Superman vs Goku"

[@warmongeringgood]

Mighty Raccoon captain marvels shazam!?!!?!?!?

[@maxalain9948]

That'd be really gay

[@stephenquinn7931]

Well the change needed for that to happen would be grandpa gohan training under fortunteller baba instead of roshi, so oxe king and goku might have had an actual fight or longer fight depending on if you watch the show or read the manga

[@kokirimido3924]

Imagine chi-chi say "RIDIKULUS" whenever she sees a super saiyan.

[@JayboCorp.2014]

Never heard of Wrath of the Dragon. I'm about to watch it.

[@fig6459]

Jaybo Corp.™ it's one of the good ones

[@amberhawksong]

Jaybo Corp.™ same

[@oxiclean8536]

I could swear that one is canon

[@Brando216]

Jaybo Corp.™ one of my favorite movies from the series.

[@deadgirllife2]

@@oxiclean8536 I'm not sure but trunk's did get his original sword from Tapion but all of the DBZ movie aren't Cannon

[@Gamekiller166]

I always believed cooler to be in trunks timeline because Goku is alive and can go super saiyan. He instant transmitted to fight frieza and lived peacefully.

[@kaitoxiii537]

trunks timeline is the exact same up until the heart virus incident

[@Gamekiller166]

Kaito Bloodedge I'm saying the movie could fit that timeline better than the one we see.

[@kaitoxiii537]

Gamekiller166 not really. in both scenarios frieza would still have been killed by a saiyan from earth. adult trunks would be gone by that point anyway

[@JackOfen]

+Kaito Bloodedge No, Trunks is the exact same up until Trunks kills Frieza, Cold and their soldiers. Because in Trunks timeline it was Goku who did that. Actually it changes even before that because Cell arrived before Trunks as an egg

[@kaitoxiii537]

JackOfen he comes back because of the heart virus so i'm lumping it together. Cells egg is practically irrelevant for the segment

[@GurrenPrime]

Nice. I think it'd be cool if a video game decided to use this timeline.

[@drakedrago2339]

There is a better timeline in the Legacy of Goku 2 and Buu's Fury for the movies and it fits well.... The first 3 movies are absent in these games.

[@duncanmcokiner4242]

Xenoverse 2 kinda does that. Cooler comes to back up Freiza on Namek for example.

[@GurrenPrime]

Jack Mehoff Yeah, but they went with the "alternate timelines" explanation, and I've always been a fan of things having a single timeline (not counting timelines directly created by time travel).

[@TimmyTurner421]

GurrenPrime Yeah, me too.

[@jordanread5829]

The alt timeline for the movies (and you can include GT in this as well for lols) could be canon. In Super, we see 5 time rings, one main one and 4 copies (alternative timelines). We know from the android arc in Z that at least 2 of those rings are explained, one is trunks and the other is cells. The main one can be the timeline you are actually in. The 4th ring could tie to Cell's timeline as Trunks in that timeline did also go back into the past. The 5th green ring was made by Beerus killing Zamasu, as Black was still wearing his time ring, so his younger self dying did not affect him at all. But other then the main (altered), main (unaltered / Blacks), Trunks and Cells, you got 2 time rings unexplained. Though one could tie to Cells, that leaves one open for speculation. It is important to note that Akira Toriyama did write the original storyline for both Xenoverse games (like he is doing with super) and did create Towa and Mira.

[@Pandor18]

what do you think of the alternative timelines in games like super sonic warriors 2, specially the ones in which people like Krillin and Piccolo had to save the world without help of saiyans?

[@user-nx9qh1po1n]

David Duarte Or how Piccolo is chosen to turn Majin instead of Vegeta.

[@Pandor18]

A.S. MC which character timelines was that?

[@user-nx9qh1po1n]

David Duarte Ssw2 in Gohans story mode.

[@matt0044]

Interesting video. Though with Piccolo dying to kick off the Freeza arc, I would've had Piccolo sacrifice himself against Lord Slug to help Goku to sort of cement his turn-around.

[@surajsridhar1701]

why sacrifice there is a literall namekian in front of piccolo jr for him to absorb so why would he dacrifice take gokus help gohans krillins the humans vegta as well so absorb lord slug i would put piccolo equal to litte weaker or way stronger than p super perfect cell

[@rileydavidson180]

Because Piccolo doesn't know he can fuse with other Namekians, and as far as we know, both Namekians have to consent

[@Crazybones66]

Basically... Dead Zone - Yes. This movie would take place after the end of Dragon Ball and before the battle against Raditz. The World's Strongest - No The Tree of Might - No Lord Slug - No Bardock: The Father of Goku - This movie would be set in an alternate timeline. (Due to DBS Broly) Cooler's Revenge - Yes. This movie would take place during the 3 year gap preparing for the Androids. The Return of Cooler - No Super Android 13 - No Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan - This movie would be set in an alternate timeline. (Due to DBS Broly) The History of Trunks - Yes Bojack Unbound - Yes. This movie would take place during the 7 year gap after the Cell Games. Broly: Second Coming - This movie would be set in an alternate timeline. (Due to DBS Broly) Bio-Broly - No Fusion Reborn - This movie would be set in an alternate timeline where Goku doesn't use the Spirit Bomb on Kid Buu. Wrath of the Dragon - Yes. This movie would take place after the battle against Kid Buu but before the battle against Beerus. Battle of Gods - Yes Resurrection 'F' - Yes Broly (2018) - Yes

[@Cinnamon_Rolls_In_Pantry]

*THIS WOULD BE SET IN AN ALTERNATE TIMELINE (DUE TO DBS BROLY)*

[@OmeniserGames]

Super Android 13 could take place between the 10 days of Cell

[@bandabanana4939]

I feel like Cooler's revenge shouldn't be Canon cause I mean Goku in there can't go SSJ at will.

[@42ndLife]

I have three suggestions about the Movie Timelines: 1: Super 13 takes place in the 2nd or "Unseen" timeline, where Future Trunks went to the past but Cell didn't. In the Z main timeline, Androids 13 - 15 are destroyed when Krillin and Future Trunks destroy Gero's secret sub-basement. 2: BoG and Res. F take place in the main Z timeline which ends with Zamasu switching bodies with Goku and killing the Son family. Super takes place in the 5th timeline that Gowasu mentions to Zamasu as having been recently created. 3: The first three DB movies, all other Z films and all of GT take place in their own Secret Timeline. 4: Path to Power also exists somewhere, or somehow.

[@42ndLife]

I just remembered. Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!! takes place in the same timeline as BoG. We know this, because Tarble is mentioned in BoG.

[@chefinabottle]

Basically.... Dead Zone- Yes End of Dragon Ball before beginning of Z Worlds Strongest- No Tree of Might- No Lord Slug- No Coolers Revenge- Yes After Trunks kills Frezia ( though the way Goku transforms to SSJ is wrong. He should be able to do it on his own rather than anger) The Return of Cooler- No Super Android 13- no Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan- Yes 10 days before Cell Games Bojack Unbound- yes After the defeat of Cell Broly Second Coming- yes Beginning of Buu Saga when training for tournament Bio Broly- Possibly after the whole Mighty Mask 18 and Mr.Satan match in the tournament Fusion Reborn- yes when Goku returns to the Other World. ( but the whole villains coming back to life on Earth makes no sense because Gohan shouldn't be there) Wrath of the Dragon- yes after the threat of Majin Buu is over

[@ChrisC-ud4mr]

chefinabottle 15 return of cooler is the two year wait for the the androids even though they didn’t know about vegeta ssj so yeah

[@Nijwol707true]

chefinabottle 15 Actually, fusion reborn wouldn't be possible because Vegeta also should have been dead

[@95mustafa]

Bojack unbound could have happened in the 7 year time skip.

[@fyst6114]

MustGame no duhhhh

[@akada5519]

Da common man

[@ClutterTrot]

I like to think that the conflicting movies take place in a timeline where Freeza noticed Vegeta and Nappa going to the middle of no where (Earth) for no apparent reason and called them off for whatever misson he wanted taken care of at the time. Goku get's revived as normal but the saiyans never arrived like they were suppose to. The battle that chased Vegeta off the planet never happens, leaving Turles and Slug to believe the planet isn't defended. After this, Freeza learns about the dragon balls through Raditz's scouter archive, remembers a similar legend about Namek by seeing Piccolo's face, timeline syncs up back to normal. And that's as much thought as I have put into this.

[@lukebroomfield2278]

dude. your goku from dbzabriged right ?!!! I just realized this

[@Joker3384]

2:14 “We all had eggnog and Christmas fudge!” Goku: “Really?” “Nope, we did them like figgy pudding.” Goku: “YOU NEVER WASTE FIGGY PUDDING!”

[@zixise]

VITAS VARNES RETRO GAME GRUMPS HOMIE

[@CoolPlayersVic]

Thomas De Brule What?

[@SvenS2]

Really wish Broly and Cooler were cannon. Q_Q

[@jjjjjaabari313]

they can be canon to you after all they dont affect the timeline

[@clarkkent952]

Hero Crafters I always looked at it like this: GT and the Movies are canon but not STORY canon, since they are in parallel universes and such.

[@SvenS2]

Sage of Six Penguins I mean like they'd make an appearance or at least be mentioned in the anime.

[@monkey9208]

Hero Crafters only cooler broly suck

[@vezz_gamer4303]

Clark Kent Not parallel universes.

[@andyenglish4303]

The only problem I really see is that the Dragon Balls are used in the first four movies, putting a year in between them. So even if you set it so that Dead Zone happens when Gohan is 3, you're still adding three years to the timeline.

[@The_One_In_Black]

This actually works well with an idea I had. My thought was to remove Goku from World's Strongest, have Piccolo take his role, and maybe Tien take Piccolo's role. That would allow it to fit neatly into the beginning of the year of training. It wouldn't explain the other movies happening while Piccolo was dead, though.

[@thetruth45678]

0:00 My video started buffering after you said "Let's get ..." and I was truly hoping you were going to say "dangerous!".

[@kingcold7281]

0:00

[@Akaketsugami]

I got a better question, what if Dragonball super was Canon?

[@ssj4firevegeta490]

It is canon

[@biglion3179]

@@ssj4firevegeta490 WOOOOSH

[@KeivSquirrel]

@@ssj4firevegeta490 yep

[@jamessorrell2498]

Wait I always thought Bardocks super saiyan episode was non canon

[@janembathedemon3949]

special not movie

[@sarahsea1]

it's Videogame canon.

[@aarondevack1912]

James sorrell To some it is, to others it isn't.

[@YounesLayachi]

you screwed up when saying that Vegeta returns to hell, because he was revived because he was a good guy

[@user-nx9qh1po1n]

Younes Layachi No, remember he still goes to hell. One act of kindness won't make up for countless murders.

[@YounesLayachi]

A.S. MC dude when they wished for all the good guys to be revived in order to perform the genkidama, Vegeta was revived as well !

[@user-nx9qh1po1n]

Younes Layachi​​ He wasn't revived yet, he still goes to hell. One good act won't do pay his debts to all the people he has killed.

[@YounesLayachi]

A.S. MC dafuq dude go watch the Buu arc !

[@user-nx9qh1po1n]

Younes Layachi​​ King Yemma let him keep his body because Majin Buu was still around. After that he was going to hell. But because the dragon balls revived him for some reason, he never went to hell. Even Piccolo warned him that he was going to hell after he explodes.

[@skezeksskybreaker5425]

I had an idea for a movie timeline if they make Xenoverse 3. Because even though I really enjoyed Xenoverse 2 you have to admit despite its tweaks, how many times can we visit the original DBZ timeline in video games. So here is my timeline. 1. Bardock Special 2. Deadzone 3. Arrival of Radditz (we need to tweak Goku and Vegeta's reaction to Gohan rage boosting since it will be his 2nd time) Nappa and Vegeta arrive --- Like you said Piccolo survives Nappas blast 4. The Worlds Strongest 5. Tree of Might --Turles: Traveled the Galaxy looking for suitable planets to plant the Tree of Might, and even though he was getting great power boost he knew that he could never measure up to Frieza and was afraid of being found out before he could gather enough strength. So he came to earth for the Dragon Balls for immortality. Frieza spied on Turles with a drone since he suspected that he was going to revolt and learned about the Dragon Balls and deduced that there were Dragon Balls on Namek which were much closer to him 6. Lord Slug: Plays out the same. Piccolo is killed in the Final Battle this time and Goku uses his false Super Saiyan form. They then learn from Slugs Ships computer that Slug originally wanted to go to Namek, but found out that Frieza went there. Krillin, Gohan, and Bulma set out for Namek. Goku is hospitalized like in the Vegeta Saga 7. Frieza Saga: Plays out the same ---Trunks Warns of the Androids 8. Coolers Revenge 9. Metal Cooler ---Adroid 19 and Gero 10- Android 13: Instead Gero activates the other androids 11: Broly: As much as I like Cell he doesn't appear in my movie timeline 12. Hatchiyak ***The Dabura Saga: Instead of having Majin Dabura we have Dabura of the Demon Realm. The story would focus on a different story so Babidi would not be in the picture. I always wondered what if Dabura fought the Z fighters in the Cell game. Gohan will first turn SS2 vs Dabura 13. Bojack 14. The Return of Broly For a better story I am going to reverse these movies 15. Wrath of the Dragon: Goku and Vegeta are killed as they Simultaneously defeat the Hirudegarn. Vegeta severely weakens it with his Self Destruct. And Goku gets impaled by its tail, but finishes it off with the Dragon Fist. In this alteration of the story it was Towa from Xenoverse who manipulated the battle to take place on earth and gather the energy for Mira 16. Fusion Reborn: Mira starts creating havoc on earth to gather more energy from it's fighters. Gohan trains with the Z sword to fight Mira. Mystic Gohan overpowers Mira and this sends Towa in panic mode. She teleports to hell and breaks the spirit machine and it creates Janemba. Goku and Vegeta fight Janemba in Hell like normal and the beat Goku and Vegeta However sensing that Mira is about to be killed by Gohan she teleports Janemba to Gohan and Gohan gets overpowered. Towa tries to then force Janemba to transfer his essence to Mira to make him even more powerful. But it backfires and Janemba absored Mira's essence instead giving him an insane power boost. Goku and Vegeta are brought back by Baba's 24 hour spell and they fuse to stop Janemba Goku and Vegeta are wished back at some point 17. The Baby Saga: Baby is a more sympathetic villain as opposed to orignal DBGT as he really reflects on self righteous motivations. Also there will be a mention of Hatchiyak and Dr Lychee. I plan to make Baby Vegeta more powerful than before in this fight and it is actually Vegeta himself who breaks Baby's control periodically since he has crazy pride. Goku still needs the power up to defeat him. The battle ends with both of them exhausted, but Baby exists Vegetas body and tries to take over Goku except Vegeta stops him and destroys Baby. ( "I guess we are now even for when we fought Giny and they both laugh it off in the end.") Super 17 doesn't happen 18. Evil Shenron Saga If they ever make this a game I would have the Time Patroller be able to take main timeline DBZ and DBS characters to help them correct changes made to the universe timeline. It would be interesting to see how SS4 Goku and Vegeta interact with SSGSS Goku and Vegeta. Or Omega Shenron and Beerus . So this is my what if timeline. So no 17, 18, Cell, or Buu.

[@goatgeta6549]

Why does this have no comments

[@skezeksskybreaker5425]

@@goatgeta6549 Thanks for reading my essay haha. I would also wanted to add that the Fieza Saga ends with the Genkidama and Goku turns SSJ vs Cooler for the first time. Not as iconic but makes sense with how it happened in the movie.

[@goatgeta6549]

@@skezeksskybreaker5425 yeah that would make sense

[@t10god]

*MasakoX mentions Broly* *I stick my head out like a seagull that has spotted prey because I love Broly*

[@unddozahaz]

"Piccolo and Kami both agree to die so Piccolo could train under some lunatic to get stronger than his friend" hmmmmm that seems pretty normal

[@mrhero696]

I would consider Cooler Revenge, Bojack Unbound, and Wrath of the Dragon as canon.

[@callmekady2731]

Nd deAd zone

[@aarondevack1912]

callme kAdy Well dead Zone happens after Dragon Ball and before Z so yeah it was made canon.

[@TheTwelfthCollector]

2 years after this comment, DBS Broly indirectly made Cooler not canon.

[@stephenquinn7931]

@@TheTwelfthCollector how?

[@dragonballoblivion8273]

MasakoX wrath of the dragon does not include fat majin Bu in anyway even though Hercule was ther for a short period of time

[@MasakoX]

Knowing Majin Buu, he probably was out at a restaurant during the events of the movie.

[@RedShadowAMV]

Majin buu was sleeping

[@9791mij]

dragon ball oblivion It was stated that Evil Buu was created when he got too angry To reframe this Hurcule told him to never fight so that's why he was absent

[@crazyking3265]

dragon ball oblivion wasn't Goku ssj3 and no one was surprised so he has already turned ssj3 before

[@laurabeatrizcerda3376]

laura♥♡te amo

[@AzureKnight90]

Oh hi Vitas Varnas! Nice to see you in a non-Grump-related video!

[@NewDBZuniverse0107]

I have a topic suggestion for you, I have always wondered how the events of Dragon ball to DB SUPER would have been affected if Kami still trained Goku, BUT let Goku keep his tail. How would that have changed things?

[@MasterDinnerFlax]

I thought they were movies, not cannons...

[@wan156]

Chill bro, let me explain the joke. He's saying that the movie is called movie and not cannons.

[@kylebuckner5617]

Wan Harith r/woooosh

[@Ramen_Zombie]

The best ever ᴛʜᴀᴛ's ᴡʜᴀᴛ ɪ ᴡᴀs ɢᴏɴɴᴀ sᴀʏ

[@femalepapyrus]

Canon not cannons Canon means part of the time line Cannons just weapons 😂

[@Ramen_Zombie]

@@femalepapyrus r/whoooosh

[@Oros-LordofCinders]

MasakoX what about Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, and Yo Son Goku n Friends return

[@MasakoX]

Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans - another day before the Cell Games and Yo! Son Goku is set two years after the Buu saga. Easy fits. :)

[@Oros-LordofCinders]

Appreciate it man, good luck to ya and have a great day!

[@gallatinx9357]

...how does Cell do nothing about the world getting literally covered in deadly gasses o-o. Seems like kind of a deterrent from his whole big competition thing if everyone's dead.

[@AvarikVonNom]

I could always see Cell getting involved himself to help save the day...not because he's a good guy, but because keeping the world alive and well until the Cell games is relevant to his interests.

[@Sorain1]

I would watch that. Cell basically having a (cold) temper tantrum because someone else was threatening to upstage his tourney? Fun times.

[@Bluew0lfie]

Is it possible that Goku got facehugged on yardrat/while he was in space? Think about it, his "heart virus" actually would make more sense if it was a xenomorph. When you consider that Xenomorphs ascertain the host's DNA, it would explain why it was strong enough to cripple Goku.

[@itsallovernowWD1945]

U got it all wrong fusion reborn is during the fusion saga where it took place after goku taught gotenks and trunks fusion goku fought Janemba first before fighting super buu

[@TheSuperNuggetDude]

Why are the movie villains so much more better looking than the actual series characters. The only one i see is Cell that looks cool.

[@FaustGamingtuber]

What about Plan to Eradicate All Sayiens And Yo Son Goku And Friends are Back?

[@Naru4Real]

wait so episode of bardock is cannon? along with history of trunks and bardock the father of goku

[@MadDogSolo]

Those are specials, not movies.

[@MadDogSolo]

Son Goku - Gaming I literally just said that, but okay.

[@MadDogSolo]

Son Goku - Gaming Ik.

[@ZeeshanKhan-rj1kl]

Well bardock father of goku isnt canon thanks to dragon ball minus :(

[@MadDogSolo]

that one guy It’s Father of Goku.

[@Rantandum]

I always had a similar theory, that all movies actually took place in another timeline. But in my theory, the movie timeline would lead into GT.

[@oxiclean8536]

Stevie I kinda like the idea of all the movies leading up to gt

[@AntiBunnyStudio]

Since GT treated all the movies as canon I like the idea that Super is the future of the series, and GT is the future of the movieverse.

[@jameshollister8294]

GT treated movies as cannon)​@@AntiBunnyStudio

[@LordDarthHarry]

If Piccolo doesnt die then why remove Tien, Yamcha and Chiaotzu? Theyd be wished back with the dragon balls within a year or less (If i remeber corectly, Kami DID reactivate the Dragon Balls early in the frieza saga)

[@Trunks1stApprentice]

Chiaotzu was already wished back once with the Earth Dragon Balls. They can't do it a second time. Unless Dende gave the Dragon Balls a power up after the Buu saga or something.

[@weathermangohanssj4]

Well remove chiaotzu because he can't be rvived by the earth dragonballs because he was revived once before..

[@yinyang452]

They've all died once before. The Earth Dragon Balls are restricted to one ressurection per person.

[@Trunks1stApprentice]

yinyang452 Not Tien and Yamcha. They hadn't died before.

[@HyperShadic600]

Tien died from trying to seal King Piccolo. I don't think Yamcha died before the Saiyan Saga though.

[@The_One_In_Black]

Okay, I'm mainly basing this off of wishes on the dragon balls: • Dead Zone occurs as normal, except move the conversation of "Goku has a son" here • Raditz Saga happens per normal, except they are told it will take 3 years for Saiyans to arrive • Goku is resurrected early during the years of training (DZ +1Y) • World's Strongest (DZ +2Y), with Goku returning to Earth during the events of the movie • Tree of Might as per normal (DZ +3Y) • Lord Slug as per normal (DZ +4Y). After this, North Kai realizes that Goku has physically mastered the Kaiyo Ken, but needs the spiritual mastery that can be provided by one final technique. He heads back to North Kai's planet. • The latter half of the Saiyan Saga, minus use of the dragon balls. • Namek...Trunks Sagas as per normal (~DZ +6Y) • Cooler's Revenge (early in the 3 years of training) • Return of Cooler (late in the 3 years of training) • Android Saga as per normal (~ DZ +9Y) • Super Android 13 occurs while 16-18 are gallivanting around the countryside • Imperfect Cell Saga • Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan happens during the 7 days • Perfect Cell and Cell Games Sagas • Shortly after the Cell Games, the Intergalactic World Tournament takes place. Bojack Unbound • At least a year before the 25th World MA Tournament, Broly - Second Coming takes place. • 25th World MA Tournament, Bibidi Saga, and beginning of Buu Saga • Bio-Broly and Fusion Reborn occur around the time Buu is occupied with himself and Satan and/or Gotenks. Dende is possibly mistaken about Shenron's ability to be summoned again. • Goku is restored to life and remainder of Buu Saga. • Wrath of the Dragon

[@crunchyalfredo2985]

So why was Goku the only one taught kaioken?

[@ottokirby3324]

Crunchy Alfredo plot

[@umuza1]

STORY

[@naftulzvi3353]

Honestly it would probably have killed anybody who used it other than maybe Tien.

[@timothymclean]

Same reason as in canon. ...Frig if I know what that is.

[@RyuBerserker]

Crunchy Alfredo I might be wrong but Kaioken isn't easy to learn/master. King Kai knew Goku could do it guess he doesn't believe in the other z fighters

[@BigT.Larrity]

MasakoX is a *cool dude*

[@patrickallen6193]

does it really matter? as long as YOU Enjoy them than who's to say? IMO? I don't care I love them movies.

[@superlombax1561]

It doesn't. He still just wants to try and figure it out regardless. You could say all the What-Ifs shouldn't exist for that same reason.

[@justinsarfo829]

He did a really good job 👍

[@LukaTNTdragon]

battle of gods and resurrection F are both CANNON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@playrax]

You forgot about Hatchiac/plan to eradicate the super saiyan

[@almondbutterfgc]

Playrax or yo son goku and friends i mean uts actually canon

[@GGAMER1337BR]

gohan is still teen in Plan to eradicate the sayians sooo before the cell games?

[@CrystalGreymon]

Believe that's also in the 10-Day period. Goku and Friends Return is very simply between Wrath of the Dragon and Battle of Gods.

[@jaydienparks5658]

CrystalGreymon there's no way that movie takes place in the 10 day gap

[@superlombax1561]

@@GGAMER1337BR Yeah. Probably.

[@RedShadowAMV]

Coudn't you put fusion reborn in between when vegeta blow himself up and goku get back from his 1 day on earth? ;D

[@atlasgraham154]

Then what would Buu be doing the whole time all of Hell's escapee's were running amuck? Plus, Goten and Trunks already know Fusion Dance in it, which would mean it would have to take place even later in the Buu Saga when Super Buu was the one rampaging. There's no wiggle room in that saga for anything else to happen.

[@ALittleBitEpicJeffrey]

Time passes much more quickly in other world, like the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Problem solved. Buu is moving really slow by comparison.

[@atlasgraham154]

Be that as it may, that doesn't help what's seen in the human world. Undead are roaming the streets, Gohan is still a Super Saiyan--which makes it before Super Buu, since he isn't in Mystic Form--which means Majin Buu is still rampaging... and god damnit I just put a plot-hole in mine, yours, and Masako's theories with that, didn't I? Gotenks is a thing, Mystic Gohan isn't, and nobody seems fazed by the fact that Buu is probably rampaging somewhere. To paraphrase Elder Kai in Xenoverse 2, it looks like we're in a bit of a pickle. =/

[@greedow]

maybe...buu decided to dig a hole and take a nap for a day

[@14DANESSJ]

Or they could just change the plot of the movie and have Buu battling all the villains instead, during his rampage. It would actually make for a more interesting confrontation with Buu meeting Freiza and Cell. Freiza and Cell are all like "I can finally have my revenge against the Saiyans and take over the planet mwahahahah" and then Buu comes along and tells them that he's already beaten Gohan, most of the Z-fighters and killed everyone on Earth. Imagine that. These two have vigorously struggled with the fact that they couldn't beat Goku/Gohan and take over the planet for years. And then they meet this guy (Buu). Who not only has beaten Gohan effortlessly, killed most of the Z-fighters (excluding Goku because he's already dead), but also took over the entire planet and annihilated the human race as well. The looks on their faces XD

[@dylanalexander4393]

The Garlic Junior Saga in the show proves its movie is cannon

[@Schnozzy]

Technically that saga was filler, but I still consider the movie canon

[@realjoemavro]

In "Dead Zone," Goku consults Bulma and Roshi to help him locate Garlic Jr's lair and Krillin showed up to help him fight. In episode 1 of DBZ neither Krillin, nor Bulma, nor Roshi have a clue who Gohan is and are shocked to learn Goku is a father. Sorry, there's no way for "Dead Zone" to be canon without the three of them having really bad short term memories.

[@columbatiberius2176]

What if Vegito was permanent after the Buu Saga? I know that they retconned it so Goku and Vegeta will always split now but I found their fused form really interesting.

[@windmill4046]

World's Strongest: Piccolo doesn't die in the battle against the Saiyans. The Tree of Might: Nobody dies in the battle against the Saiyans. Lord Slug: Takes place a few months after the Tree of Might. Cooler's Revenge: Goku killed Freeza with the Spirit Bomb and there are no traces of him left so Mecha Freeza can't happen. The Return of Cooler: Goku had to be revived and Cell was killed by Trunks right off the bat. Super Android 13: Both the Androids and Cell were killed early on and #13, #14 and #15 come into play. Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan: After they toke care of #17 and #18 (but not Cell) they travel to the South Galaxy. (And that would mean Goku took the cure Trunks gave him.) Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans: Cell is replaced with Lychee and Hatchiyack, Possibly killed. Bojack Unbound: After the Cell Games. Broly - Second Coming: Takes place after the World Tournament but the Majin Boo Saga never happened. Goku died at some point. Bio-Broly: Takes place after Second Coming and #18 is revived by Krillin. Fusion Reborn: Majin Boo is gone for good but they have to take care of Janemba. Wrath of the Dragon: Takes place after the Majin Boo Saga.

[@GeneralNappaStudios]

I have a different idea of how things play out. First, it'd be the Dead Zone Movie. Then, after The Saiyan Saga, I agree where Goku could get a Senzu right away, and then The World's Strongest and Lord Slug could happen. Remove Piccolo from both movies, though, because he'd still have to die, although he wasn't really major in either movie. After Namek, during the 1 year gap for Goku's return from Yardrat, have The Tree of Might, but replace Goku's roll in defeating Turles with Vegeta. After Trunks arrives and leaves, have Cooler's Revenge, and then have Super Android 13! a week or so before the real Androids arrive, and make it so Doctor Gero woke them up instead of being auto-activated. During the 10-day wait for Cell, have: The Return of Cooler; make Gohan a teen and SSj, enter Future Trunks, and make Cooler Strongest. Then, Hatchiyak. Then, Broly. After the Cell Games, Bojack. Broly's Second Coming right before the World Tournament. Add Piccolo and Vegeta. Fusion Reborn when Fat Buu and Hercule become friends and Goten and a Trunks are supposed to be training with Piccolo. Also, Bio-Broly would happen here, too. The rest are self-explanatory.

[@AmadisLFE]

Thats almost the same as what I consider canon, haha. Fusion Reborn though. Exclude the weird-ass villains revival thing, and right after Goku is returned to the other-world he'd be told by Yemma that Janemba is wrecking havoc, Vegeta would be given back his body to help Goku, and then they'd fuse.

[@normachildress7464]

@@AmadisLFE I i,

[@diablosaurusyt9669]

After this timeline it is GT because there is movie villains like cooler

[@avatarofdeath]

VITAS VARNIS!!!!! On my game grumps and on my MasakoX

[@gohant1237]

My favorite movie is bojack unbound

[@columbatiberius2176]

What if Future Gohan was the one who went back? Maybe it was Trunks who died instead of him, maybe Bulma comes back with him and they decide to stay in the past instead of trying to change their future, and maybe when Future Gohan goes with the Z Warriors to face 19 and 20 they are joined by an Alternate Future Trunks from a more canon version of the Future Timeline? If all this happened we probably wouldn't have the Great Saiyaman because Future Gohan would take up his father's mantle as Protector of the Earth and Gohan could focus on his studies. Of course if that happens it is entirely possible Gohan might not end up with Videl which would also mean... NO PAN! Oh Super Kami Dende what have I done?!

[@johnmalovich1221]

guy sounds like goku XD

[@mistab3333]

funnily enough, he dubs goku in a joke dub called dragon ball z abridged. If you don't know about it already, i'd be shocked.

[@femalepapyrus]

He team four star goku

[@degeneratephoenix8889]

I have a suggestion for a topic. If gods come in groups, how come King Kai's death doesn't affect any other gods? (Sorry if this was explained and I just missed it lol XD)

[@whichcache2517]

I could be wrong, but I think that's only true for Supreme Kais in relation to Gods of Destruction.

[@thegallantrayku2677]

Degenerate Phoenix because only the Supreme kai is tied with a God

[@Ziscor_]

That could be because the Four Lowest Kais don't have any counterparts. This is interesting, though. This could mean the Universe only requires one God of Destruction but when you really look at it, the Four Kais plus Grand Kai plus Supreme Kai have to do the collective work of creation and nurturing. They, as a whole could metaphorically be called the God of Creation.

[@CaliburXL99]

The grand kai isn't technically cannon and the others kaio's aren't but we can assume there are four kaio's and kaioshin being the gods of creation.

[@Ziscor_]

Ryan Nicholson Do they never appear in the Manga? PS: I read up and he is in fact mentioned at least. So that makes him canon. Also, the other three quadrant's kais' existence is mentioned as well and the South one even shows up.

[@sebotrp]

What i like about Dragon Ball community is that they don't instantly hate on filler and movies simply because those weren't made by the original creator. I mean they do realize filler/movies are not canon, but still respect those things as a part of Dragon Ball. Heck certain filler episodes such as Gohan's birthday or Goku's driving lessons as well as characters like Baby, Broly, Cooler or Jenemba actually became fan favorite. Dragon Ball community for the most part respects non canon material... Unlike Bleach community who treats all and any filler as literally the worst thing since Hitler and actually advices on skipping it altogether without even letting you form your own opinion on it.

[@CodMikeify]

they dont like the broly movies lol. it also helps that dbz ended like 2 decades ago

[@constanzabestest]

Broly movies were okay at most(Bio Broly one sucked though), but Broly as a character was widely accepted within the community. I mean heck he became so liked that a fusion of his and Gokus(Karoly) appeared on Dragon Ball Fusions cover.

[@gemain609]

This is a lie, a WHOLE chunk of the community will shoot down any opinion of likeing non canon aspects of the Dragon Ball Universe. Like GT? Why its not canon. Like Android 13? Why, he's not canon. the list goes on. ITs honestly freaking annoying

[@gokubrown7517]

Dragonball community respects non canon material? Did you just pull that out of your arse lol, just say 'GT' to them and see what their response is.

[@gokubrown7517]

+GEMain exactly.

[@schtoko]

Goku and vegeta didn’t have to come back because gohan would have taken care of buu witch mean elder kai didn’t need to give goku his life and vegeta would still be in the after life and then vegeta makes goku want to be brought back not knowing how much power they could have together the everything goes back to normal?

[@tiablue9106]

The only confusing thing is Gohan's appearance. Cooler's Revenge clearly takes place after they came back from Namek, but at no point did Gohan have that Moe Howard haircut paired with his Namekian gi while he was on Earth, certainly not while Goku was there too. He left Earth in a fancy suit and came back in Saiyan armor. Gohan also has his tail in that movie which makes it even more confusing because he never got it back after Vegeta cut it off (for some reason), unless you count Tree of Might, which has the same conundrum as the first Cooler movie

[@danmenard6917]

I always thought Bojack Unbound fit in the timeline perfectly as it was, to me it was canon as there's plenty that could have happened between the Cell Saga and the Buu Saga.

[@WaVeY_333]

@3:31 It Sounds Like He Says "Once He's Satisfied, He Picks Up His SH!T, & Heads Off To Namek Behind them" 😂😂

[@doctorspindash2.086]

The movies aren't Canon but apparentlyThe movie characters appear in dragonball legend

[@schtoko]

The broly movie wouldn’t work b cause gohan didn’t go ssj 2

[@LefterisKosta]

What if DBZ Movies it's from future Trunks Timeline

[@WildStudios65150]

If the movies were cannon Dragon Ball Z would be almost as big as One Piece in terms of story length.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

For the three years, Frieza could be running his empire. AKA Administrative duties

[@GameTorious]

"WHAT IF THE DBZ MOVIES WERE CANON?" The Resurrection F Arc in super would have been cooler because we would have seen the fusion of refrigerator.

[@stephenquinn7931]

So they would become an Xbox Series X?

[@WaVeY_333]

@3:32 It Sounds Like He Says _"He Picks Up His SH!T"_ Instead Of _"He Picks Up "His SHIP"_

[@JZS-zx7ky]

I actually originally thought that fusion reborn was in a world where maybe mystic gohan killed buu instead of dicking around with him too much

[@zuperpiplup13]

This honestly would’ve made the canon timeline, more interesting I guess.

[@nerdtvch5]

I think fusion reborn doesn't require goku dying, since he was still dead in most of the early buu saga. So I'd have it placed right after goku turns ssj3 in front of trunks and goten. Since at this point, vegeta was already dead at this point, and again so was goku. Sometime after when goten and trunks figure out how to fuse, but not yet "mastered" it. Since they never practice. But you also missed a few movies and specials. Like the one where goku and trunks and the gang travel through time and talk to us on the phone, and plan to eradicate the saiyans (yes the movie game) Just things like that. As far as animated segments as a whole are considered, I'd say fuck it, it's all cannon. Seriously the GT movie doesn't even say what happened between goku leaving, and pan being over 100. So yes, there is room to make everything canon.

[@The_Sandwich1984]

I think that the cooler movie is some sort of alternate universe were goku and the gang never went to namek but for some reason cooler went there anyway idk why but uhhhh yeah so basically what you said nut no namek

[@PikUpYourPantsPatrol]

Congrats btw! You've solved something people in the community have been arguing about for years. The namek stuff is a little ify though.

[@leftnipple3730]

Not trying to sound like a asshole but... The last part with the sprit bomb killing Goku, Vegeta and Kid Buu was so wrong. First, Goku could of went SSJ2 and BAM! Kid buu is dead. Second and hear me out on this one, the Spirit Bomb only damages evil, not good. Which means Goku would be affected by it.

[@franklinturtleton6525]

I was thinking of placing Fusion Reborn right after Goku get's sent back to the underworld. Vegeta is dead from his sacrifice, Goku gets sent back after using SSJ3, Trunks and Goten learn how to fuse and Buu lives with Hercule.

[@leftnipple3730]

Well, Goku didnt destroy the SB when he threw it at Buu and detonated it in the original way

[@tim1483]

it wouldnt destroy the planet because IT DIDNT

[@superlombax1561]

@@tim1483 I mean, if we're talking alternate universes, it could probably work.

[@eeveefennecfox]

I'll never understand why movies aren't canon,it's stupid movies should always be canon to anime and cartoons and video games,cause if the movies are connected to the anime or the cartoon or the video game they're on then they should be canon duh makes sense to me and it makes it less confusing as hell

[@supersoniclegend1861]

Watch Dragon Ball University, he explains why the dragon ball movies can’t happen

[@blazejecar]

the cooler movie needs but 1 fix: Give vegeta at least screen time, even if he's training on another planet but anyway, for broly, his story is stupid as hell, so personally, I'd fix that a lot too. I've posted this before somewhere so I'll just copy paste from there: Personally I'd change broly A LOT. I would only keep his appearance and power. I wouldn't increase his birth power. I'd actually only make it about 1000 or 2000 (i mean, that's already more than almost all lower class saiyans in their adulthood, so even that's a bit ridiculous) and he would be born at least 20 years before goku, so the legend can establish. Think about it, how would broly be a feared legend if he was only there for like...a few days? nobody ever saw his LSSJ form... Broly would not be able to control his power and from here he would accidentally kill his mother and one or two saiyans, which would concern king vegeta but at the same time notice broly's potential. He would kill Paragus to prevent more threats to his throne and would subject broly to torture and harsh training to make him into the ultimate war machine for king vegeta. This would replace paragus' jewlery shit. His trainers would beat or torture him as a small kid whenever he'd wish to use his power. Broly's power would rise incredibly, like a true prodigy, his power would raise exponentially compared to other saiyans, hence, spawning the legend of the legendary super saiyan. Broly would be ready to unleash his power but would remember his torture and snap out of it. Eventually as a young adult, he would overhear some of the elite warriors talking about him and find out the truth and would go on a quest to find and unlock his true powers. He would have a growing hatred for the saiyans, he would hold a grudge and resentment towards the saiyans for life and would head out into the universe just maybe a few days before the planet explosions searching for an opponent worthy to awaken his true strength and would do so....on earth because goku would be a saiyan, which fills his rage and at the same time would be strong enough to challenge broly and push him to break his restraints and achieve his LSSJ form, which turns him into the berserk beast that we all know and love. He shouldn't just be a mindless beast that just shouts kakarot tho, he should have a sense of self and I imagine him having an attitude that's a mix of bardock, vegeta and frieza, but at the same time having a strong thrive to get stronger and find out what he's capable of. In the movie, I would have it end in broly's defeat, but not death and it would spawn a rivalry between broly and goku, where broly states he'll return when his power is greater and when he can learn to control his transformation and possibly better it. Broly would make his first saiyan friend, which would be a good plot point for both his character development and for goku, since he always makes the most impossible friends like vegeta and beerus XD. That gives an option for a second movie that's completely rewritten and would take place after buu, where broly returns to fight ssj3 goku. It would really make for 2 epic movies and make broly a great character in my opinion. Bio broly........1st rule of bio broly: don't EVER talk about bio broly. I'd skip it entirely. 2 movies would be enough. That's my idea, if anyone read this far, kudos XD