What If The Empire Operated Strategically: Star Wars Rethink

[@LoreGuy]

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[@Blitzkrieg23]

Halo and Star Wars “what if”

[@danielberry9864]

Yes do a halo vs star wars what if please?

[@welkingunther5417]

In other words: What if the Empire fought more smartly, and maybe properly adapted against its enemies.

[@thorpeaaron1110]

Maybe train militia groups to fight the rebels

[@emberfist8347]

@@thorpeaaron1110 The milita groups joined the Rebels because the Empire nationalized them.

[@bobafett9348]

maybe adapted at all you mean

[@emberfist8347]

@@bobafett9348 They did adapt against the Rebellion

[@thorpeaaron1110]

@@emberfist8347 true

[@CyberSonic-V3.0]

The title is just a more intelligent way of saying “What if the Empire wasn’t full of morons”

[@welkingunther5417]

Yeah, it's basically "What if the Empire fought smartly and properly adapted to its enemy"

[@stealthynaxo]

"Yo guys, what if the Empire had a braincell?"

[@heroesofthescape]

What if the rebellion didn't have plot armor

[@stealthynaxo]

@@heroesofthescape *if

[@heroesofthescape]

@@stealthynaxo typed on a phone. Sorry.

[@imperialguardsman4361]

The title is a diplomatic way of saying "What if the Empire had competent officers"

[@theenforcer3667]

No Rebellion

[@jamescopenhaver720]

Also a good thing to note: the standard citizen would support the empire way more. A lot didn’t know how evil the empire was until the Death Star and that led to a massive funding and recruitment boost

[@enoughothis]

Thrawn would have needed to gag and hogtie Tarkin to get this done but imagine it. An Army with Deathtroopers and Darktroopers as front line units. The Imperial Navy with fast heavy cruisers that had powerful dual purpose turbolasers like the Venator, launching wings of TIE Defenders. *laughs in Sith Lord*

[@wesleygetsinger1859]

Thrawn would have been a dope asf force user I don't think he would have been either jedi or sith not even grey jedi, just a force user he would have been strong sf

[@emberfist8347]

Well the Stormtroopers aren't the army and the Dark Troopers while effective never made it past the prototype phase due to a combination of a bias towards organic soldiers thanks to the Clone Wars (who would adopt the tactics of the losing side of a war?) The Empire needed flagships because if they just cruisers they would have nothing to counter Mon Calamari Star Cruisers and Star Dreadnoughts would be important as they could launch attacks by themselves effectively. The TIE Defenders are great too but they are expensive too ten times the cost of the TIE they already had in service. Plus there is the fact the designer tried to overthrow Palpatine.

[@enoughothis]

@@emberfist8347, the problem with that is the fact that the Imperial military DID in fact adopt the tactics of the losers. Overwhelming firepower from capital ships and swarms of cheap fighters, these are the tactics of the CIS. Except that the Imperials did these things less efficiently then the CIS. Granted Palpatine was trying to head off a galactic resession and needed to create jobs and people reliant on his Empire to sell the idea of the autocracy in the first place anyway. Furthermore it was the overbearing and inefficient policies of the Tarkin Doctrine that caused many to rebel in the first place. The Mon Cal Cruisers were originally designed for galactic exploration and commercial use not warfare. It was the ruthless exploitation of their world by the Empire that saw the Mon Calamari donate these vessel to the Rebellion. The Imperial military and most particularly the navy was designed to fight a large well equipped opponent like the CIS but after the Clone Wars, that wasn't the enemy they faced. They were up against small insurgent cells, underfunded and ill-equipped. It was only the Empire's inefficiencies that allowed these cells to grow into a force that could ever threaten the Empire on an existential level. A more effective force could have prevented this.

[@emberfist8347]

@@enoughothis The CIS was actually more about starfighters than capital ships while the Empire was the opposite. Also while I will excuse what happened at Mon Calamari, the Clones Wars had not one but two battles over the shipyards there so naturally you didn't want them to fall into enemy hands.

[@enoughothis]

@@emberfist8347, obviously you don't want shipyards to fall into enemy hands, that's basic stuff. Where the could the CIS built big ships like the Lucrehulk and definitely the Malevolence. Although granted the CIS actually had a more well rounded navy in terms of classes of ships serving in it. This does not excuse the Empire from building Capital class vessels while fighting a scattered insurgency. In the real world Mainline Battle Tanks are worthless in fighting the various terrorist groups that exist, they are simply not fit for this purpose. Likewise Battleships aren't used to fight pirates in speedboats because it's just not practical or effective.

[@marshalllatta2073]

The galactic empire is so cool

[@racoon652]

It would be pretty chill, if you could join it or something

[@Jerry-tg7zx]

@@racoon652 Say no more!

[@Evansalternativescenario355]

Only the galactic Soviet Union is greater

[@Chosen_Ash]

@@Evansalternativescenario355 no bud no one likes commies

[@gevara454]

The Galactic Empire kill my son

[@boomamathics2666]

Alternate title “ what if thrawn was in charge instead of the emperor”

[@Deathstrider]

The entire Imperial Doctrine would change. It would go from quantity to quality. Each ship having a Dark Trooper platoon, every fleet supported by a large amount of support craft every hangar in the Imperial Navy with squads of TIE Defenders, Stormtroopers with Clone Trooper training and armour because it was actually good. The Empire would more or less rule forever until a powerplay kicks of for whatever reason.

[@mill2712]

Let's be honest, power plays will occur. All that would happen is that imperial commanders and leaders will simply turn these new weapons on each other. Also this wouldn't change the culture of imperial high command. Incompetence, corruption, and, resentment would still be very present. For every high ranking official like Thrawn, you would have more as cold and ruthless as Tarkin. (He does his job fine but he breeds resentment against him wherever he goes.) Or jealous/glory struck officials like Konstantine. Or stupid ones like Ozzel. Also remember, Vader is a sith apprentice. He'll want to over throw Palpatine one day. He might use military means to do it or if he does do it by a more subtle coup, then other officials loyal to Palpatine or themselves will try to take him out. Then there are the geo/social politics. Like the core vs the rim or humans and aliens. Simply put it, this empire will eventually tear itself apart.

[@emberfist8347]

That would be extremely expensive. The Empire already had a fair amount of support craft. Stromtrooper armor is actually better than Clone Armor when it comes surviving in different environments and they have Clone Trooper Training.

[@onemanwithin]

@@mill2712 Thats not a factor of a problem. Star Wars, showing and scripting the Empire, This is based on entertainment not life...... Power plays happen everywhere in Realality and human nature that is were discipline and morality comes the thought of risk, cause and affect. Sentient beings that joined the Empire, Must have had the same purpose or relative or goals to means to end. They are warriors and Police and idealist or support ideologies that need a job. Thats why they joined..... Vader wants to Rule the Empire not destroy it.

[@isaackim7675]

Stupid Tarkin Doctrine. It gets everywhere

[@emberfist8347]

It does make a degree of sense. It based on a similar concept to what won WWII for the US. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't themselves end the war but they did demonstrate that the US had the power to wipe Japan off the map and wasn't afraid to use it. With the Sword of Damocles hanging over their head, Japan signed a peace treaty.

[@Seangalanti]

But doesn't make much sense to use on a civilian population. On a enemy the doctrine could work but it won't on civilians.

[@emberfist8347]

@@Seangalanti The Empire didn’t use it on civilians as far as they defined them. From their logic if the government of a planet has aided and abetted the Rebellion everyone who lives there is fair game. They never used any superweapons on civilians by their logic. The Death was only used on 4 planets. Desparye which was a penal colony, Jedha the side of a major insurrection, Scarif which was under Rebel attack, and Alderaan whose Senator they got confirmed to be aiding the enemy.

[@theempiredidnothingwrong3227]

As hopefully a future military historian saw this title and immediately ceased whatever the heck I was doing.

[@JediMasterZim]

Star Wars Rethink: The Galactic Empire goes bankrupt. Alternatively, Star Wars Rethink: Galactic Republic Great Depression

[@k.s.2486]

The Empire can think strategy. It's just that petty power play got in the way and made it very difficult work together.

[@RyanTheDark]

If only they listen to Vader and Thrawn and didn't waste their resources on that damn Death Star...

[@welkingunther5417]

Probably shouldn't have made so many Star Destroyers too, especially shouldn't have made SSDs...and not to mention making another Death Star

[@Pacbandit13]

@@welkingunther5417 nah that because they have a POOR VASTLY underdeveloped economy

[@emberfist8347]

Then they wouldn't make the excellent Galaxy Gun.

[@emberfist8347]

@@welkingunther5417 The SSD is a great concept. They would be the flagships of their fleets. Nothing the Rebels had could counter it and it was cheaper than a Death Star. An Executor could launch attacks on its own and subjugate an entire system. If have one per sector group that would be great and it was Palpatine's plan.

[@welkingunther5417]

@@emberfist8347 The Rebels couldn't counter it 1 on 1, no, but, as Endor and battles afterwards showed, a whole fleet, combined with superior fighters, can take them down.

[@Fen_Wolf]

Man the Sith are just built to destroy themselves. Every empire they ever try to build, even with the the rule of two always ends up collapsing.

[@eidoneverchoosen1171]

They never last a 1000 years as they believe.

[@calvinmatthews1527]

In a human-centric Empire, the troops were treated like robots and that was the biggest mistake imo. Stormtroopers were treated like expendable fodder & were told to disregard fallen allies. What makes our militaries so effective IRL is that they have comradery & are attached to each other, you know, what makes us human in the first place. The Rebels even treated their droids better than the Empire did their troops. And TFO repeats this mistake decades later. Hopefully in the next era, both major factions will be portrayed a little more realistically and villain's who lose because they were outplayed by smart strategies, not because of their own stupidity. Sorry if that was long.

[@biggsdarklighter0473]

To be fair, Stormtrooper armour isn't too bad, it could dissipate blaster hits along the entire surface, so the trooper inside wouldn't die. It was sealable against chemical and biological weapons, so troopers could fight on undeterred by terrain and other dangers. Problems with visibility stem from stolen armor.TIE Pilots are a much better example of expendable soldiers.

[@emberfist8347]

@@biggsdarklighter0473 Well they are first strike special forces. The real cannon fodder was the Imperial Army but they were mostly left to handle garrison duty.

[@huntclanhunt9697]

The Imperial Guard does not condone this message.

[@Bakedgamer1]

It does seem like every “bad guy” in SW always uses the zurg rush strategy; Separatists, imperials, and the first order. I think this is to give the impression that the good guys are facing slim odds, but in reality the bad guy defeats themselves through incompetence rendering that massive material advantage null.

[@neofulcrum5013]

The rebellion sets up in the unknown regions: Star Wars rethink

[@cjhedrick6418]

God, Operation Cinder. I remember a time when the Death Star was the worst idea the Empire ever had. Then Palpatine made the contingency: in the event I die with the Death Star, I'll burn my own cities to the ground, as opposed to the cities of the ones who killed me!

[@paulrasmussen8953]

I refused to accept Cinder as canon. Makes no sense

[@SovietRussia777]

Fr it just didn’t make any sense

[@professorcorvus5360]

Stormtroopers were actually really effective at their role as well trained infantry and had decently high survivability. The Army Troopers were the actual cannon fodder as shown on Mimban in Solo. Yes the empire shouldn't have made the Death Stars, instead should've balance fleet compositions and train its officers to adapt to current threats. The Vehicles fielded by the empire were quite effective strike both fear and were useful in eliminating rebels

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

Could you imagine stormtroopers who were nearly on par in terms of training, skills and equipment as the clone army was. The civil war would have ended in under five years.

[@lerneanlion]

The downside of not building the Death Star? No, I can't think of one at all. Unless it's involved the Yuuzhan Vong, of course. Star Wars Rethink: What if the Empire didn't commit genocide against the Geonosians?

[@emberfist8347]

The downside is they wouldn't make the Galaxy Gun and the Eclipse later which both were very good designs.

[@commandervex1626]

The Death Star was designed to be used against the Yuzang Vong

[@a_friendly_alien4289]

If there wasn’t a Death Star we’d be missing a whole Star Wars movie

[@ObsidianAngiris]

Imagine making stormtroopers are capable and strong as Spartan IIs from Halo, now that would be something!

[@wesleygetsinger1859]

They had super soldiers tho not in palpatines era I think bane had super soldiers not sure tho

[@s.r8665]

What if the empire funded civilian projects that actually helped people?

[@pierrelindgren5727]

An interesting corollary to this is the Pallaeon's (and others) reform of the Imperial Remnant where they had to spend limited resources smarter.

[@CJ_Welch]

Thrawn sounds like Admiral Yamamoto talking about the Yamato class battleships, Thrawn wants cruisers and smaller ships, Yamato wanted aircraft carriers, cruisers, and destroyers.

[@austinhouse5376]

I agree completely with almost everything in here, except the fact that storm trooper training was rubbish and that storm troopers were only feared because they had the backing of the empire. Storm troopers were incredibly well trained and known for their marksmanship.

[@Charlie94781]

Actually upgrading the hyperdrive of Imperial ships to Class 1 would allow the navy to travel the galaxy more efficiently and Dark Troopers crushing rebel terrorists

[@josephquinnswolin3500]

Translation: If the Empire didn't have Nepotism and actually Descent officers

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

basically in order for the rebellion to win the empire had to be ridiculously stupid you'd think palpatine a man who had spent years basically playing 7d chess to destroy the Jedi would have been better at managing his empire

[@TheScarletSlayer]

So what your saying is WE NEED TI MAKE AN EVEN BIGGER DEATH SPHERE !!!

[@Finn_7117]

That title is best burn on the empire

[@DaMetalRenegade]

I don't consider the Disneyverse canon but the majority of your points and comments still apply even to the "Legends" canon imo, honestly I think the story would have been that much more interesting if the Empire were more intelligent and efficient.

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

The empire with its storm commandos, dark troopers, shadow troopers, death troopers, coruscant guard, 501st legion and so on and so on. It defiintely had the technology and the knowledge to improve its military until it became unstoppable. Locally this happens all over the galaxy, Szinj turned his stormtrooper corps into the Raptors, the crimson command was made, Thrawn's Defenders etc. It was just done at a lower level than high command as Palpatine kept draining resources for his vanity projects. The kicker with the superweapons? A fleet of star destroyers is enough to destroy a planetary civilization, there are even protocols for it. A Bellator is capable of doing it on its own and it was a small dreadnought, one of dozens. The Death Star is utterly pointless for anything but the emperor's personal ego.

[@anhtunguyen781]

how to use resources more reliable step1: don not raplace Clone troopers with Stormtroopers

[@erichunsaker4969]

Short answer: The Rebels would have been absolutely screwed

[@JediMasterZim]

Star Wars Rethink: If Dooku had killed Anakin on Geonosis. In particular, what would Palpatine do in response to losing his prize future apprentice, both in regards to his plans and what he'd do with Dooku. Also, would he still replace Dooku, and if so then who and when? Plus, how might this impact the Clone Wars and the Jedi Purge (if at all)?

[@Wi-Fi-El]

Storm troopers are more like cops than military as far as their intimidation ability. Most people will listen to them because it's the law, and most people are slightly intimidated when they see one, but a small group of dedicated dissidents can easily fight a half dozen stormtroopers

[@sharminhassndr5339]

Tie phantoms could have become more common the ISB could have operated like the CIA like throwing off the mankala king in an up rising and the empires interference could have looked like the USA trying to fight monarchs and support democracy and the biggest change would be that the tie hunter would have replaced tie fighter and defenders could have acted like heavy interceptors could have found better navy ships like interdictors and clocked capital ships like small destroyers and firgates for the submarine role

[@bluenight104]

TIE Defenders, Hunters & Phantoms acting as elite squadrons while swarms of TIE Drones act as the necessary numbers.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

first thing I would do is dramatically increase support to spec-ops units to deal with elusive rebel cells, pirates and other neer do wells. I take the best of the lot and train them to the same standards as Mondolorians. I would HIRE Mandalorians for this purpose. I would restart the Clonetrooper program and CIS droid foundries with updated models. these changes would dramatically improve the quality of frontline shock troops and allow the standard troops to most perform garrison duty while the Clones and Droids did the HEAVY fighting. Stormtroopers would be rehumanized as more than just walking targets (which makes it harder to simply kill them) and given proper training as an elite highly visible police force held to the HIGHEST discipline standards.

[@slimshady9147]

I understand and like this idea but being realistic the Empire could’ve kept the same stormtroopers and tie fighters however they could’ve made special task forcers equipped with superior weaponry and add ons such as the dark trooper droids and the tie defender. Having 1,000 squads of 3-5 tie defenders ready to deploy would make the empire lethal.

[@wesleygetsinger1859]

You do know the stormtroopers weren't the empires main force right they were like special forces but weren't even tho you see stormtroopers in the movies as they're main force they weren't i think stormtroopers didn't even make up 10% of they're military

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

@@wesleygetsinger1859 you’re really gonna blame this guy for thinking stormtroopers are the Empire’s main force when literally every game, tv show and movie has littered them everywhere like their the army instead of the marines?

[@slimshady9147]

@@wesleygetsinger1859 Stormtroopers are like the U.S marines and follow the same functions such as policing. What I was trying to say is that the empire had no need of altering their main strategy. All they had to do was create a special task force designed to counter insurgents.

[@emberfist8347]

@@slimshady9147 And they did the Storm Commandos. The problem is their leader was General Crix Madine who defected.

[@starwars90001]

Shorter title "If Thrawn design the imperial military."

[@theenforcer3667]

A super largest Military the Galaxy has ever seen + Aliens and Non-humans loyal to the Empire act as militia

[@parimabartender]

Those Dark Troopers do mad damage in swgoh

[@Zombotron5678]

The only downside I can think of is that there’ll be no moral winning victory. The destruction of Yavin would have been a easy imperial moral booster had they won but this would be more of a slow grind

[@ShadowJedi527]

The 2 death stars where the downfall of the Galactic Empire.

[@emberfist8347]

No it was Palpatine's overconfidence. He could have just not shown up to Endor and stay in his Palace while the Rebels fell for his trap. However, he wanted a front-row seat to the Rebellion's destruction and showed up in person with no plan for if he died there and no heir to his throne.

[@idcgaming518]

TBF, the reason for the superweapons was because palpatine knew of the far outsiders and that they were coming.

[@addisonhithe2119]

I'd keep the plastoid armor. While it's not the best form of armor, it does compensate this by being flexible and able to withstand some blasterbolt damage. Also , I would send some dark troopers as part of either a patrol unit or part of the law enforcement groups on the planet

[@JediMasterZim]

Star Wars Rethink: Imperial Civil War (before Palpatine's death, either before the rebellion or early in it). Maybe Vader is responsible and trying to take his master's place, or maybe Palpatine does something to turn Tarkin against him, or maybe the Moffs turn on him, or maybe there's a massive Stormtrooper mutiny because Palpatine decided to severely cut their pay or stop paying them or some other stupid Sith-like thing he does. Whatever the exact reason and those behind it, Palpatine has to fight enemies from within that aren't the Rebel Alliance.

[@Geshiko-GuP]

empire : actually adapts terrorist alliance : oh poop "gets absolutely destroyed"

[@ThatBlasianStormtrooper]

First comment and Like! Truthfully I think the Empire was just written around plot armor. I still approve of the Death Star. Let's be honest the Rebels wouldn't have gotten the plans if there wasn't insane plot armor. 1. Galen Erso wouldn't have been the lead researcher, but actually building it was stupid. You shot his wife and possibly killed his daughter. His work should have been meticulously studied so that flaws could be caught. Like you don't need a two meter wide exhaust port to vent exhaust, but just hundreds or thousands of exhaust vents to do the job. 2. Then the fact the rebels did any damage on Scarif? How did they even do the outfit change. Did no one see that a random enforcer droid came out of that ship even though one wasn't brought and why is the officer a completely different person? 3. The fact the Rebels even got anything out. How come two "Elite" Death Troopers had such a hard time shooting people dangling on data tubes? 4. Krenik monologuing? He should have shot or stunned Jyn and checked the signal tower. 5. You don't need to actually return the Death Star plans. Just blow up the ship where they were sent before anyone could launch instead of blowing up Scarif. The Empire has to be written poorly or it wouldn't make sense how the Rebels actually won. Also Thrawns ideas would have been phased in as time progressed. Slowly phasing out older fighters and ships, because the Tarkin Doctrine had some merits, but it's too extreme. Fighters won't become careless if they have shields. The style of training and rigorousness of it should always be the same, but actual fighters on the Battlefront should be top of the line where your fighters are so good that even if they didn't have shields they would dominate. We all know Imperial pilots are the best, but their tools were trash. Why would you train your pilots to the be the most elite, but give them WWII fighters and put them up against the modern F-22. Makes no sense yeah he's getting a ton of kills with it, but the casualties you are taking are too high for people with such skill. Like they should put their top pilots in Defenders and slowly make it to where everyone can have a defender. No need to get rid of old Tie Fighters just put droid brains in them so you can maximize your whole inventory. Technology in the Star Wars universe is so weird. They're so technologically advanced, but they seem to be written poorly. AI is extremely advanced, but not utilized to it's full potential. Like I understand having analog tech, because it has practicalities by keeping closed system intranets, but we know the Empire is technologically superior, but they fall to some really dumb stuff. Like how have they not made blasters where only DNA registered Imperial personnel can use them. The Empire is just written so the rebels have a way to win.

[@whatsup2318]

I agree with the A.I. part and DNA blasters. But don't forget the Empire only rose because the Jedi did alot of stupid mistakes, so pretty constant writing.

[@rinokumura7371]

Fun Fact: Palpatine only build the death star to fight the invading Yuuzhan Vong.

[@howardlanus8467]

I think one downside, at least for some, is that connections and wealth would mean far less than in the canon Empire. Some Imperial officers like Admiral Ozzel only got so far because of their family connections. In this timeline, with loads of veteran troops officers like him would be superfluous. This would be great for the Empire, but I'd imagine that there would be resistance from the rich and powerful, perhaps even throwing their lot in with the Rebellion, though this is far from probable.

[@pokebreeder2517]

this and "the good empire" s how i want my star wars galactic empire.

[@jeremiahjones4443]

In all honesty if the empire would have invested more in cruisers instead of massive star destroyers the rebels would have never had a chance

[@EnPriBri]

Final Order would be the same as the First Galactic Empire, that's for sure.

[@bartimaus9739]

Cant remember those planet killing star destroyers, as far as I know the Sovereign type couldn't destroy planets and Exegol?? Wasnt palpatines stronghold byss? : D

[@gatorboy5993]

Well this video is amazing in terms of strategy but the only problem is I see with the dark trooper droids would be the back lash of the civilians because they just got done with a war with army's of battle droids from the clone wars and all the propaganda against droids so I don't know how the standard galactic civilian would think of the empire now using droids as soldier's as well

[@drkmtr9090]

Its actually interesting how... individualistic the Sith helmed Galactic Empire was with its military finance

[@robbymanable]

Proves how forward thinking Thrawn really was

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

What I do enjoy with the Galactic Empire is its huge size and the precedence for local variety in terms of warships, troops and doctrines. I recently wrote an old Clone Wars admiral of old Anaxian heritage, naturally she gets the short end of the stick and they dump all the outdated equipment on her task force. So she ends up with a Secutor, half a dozen Dreadnaughts of various models and maybe a score of Peltas. TIE fighters sure, they are cheap and available everywhere, the vehicles however are old AT-TEs, AT-PTs, Juggernauts etc and the troops is her private army she brought into the war decades ago. It looks very different from a typical imperial fleet, and yet it is all equipment and ships that the empire makes use of.

[@thorpeaaron1110]

I think the Empire could have lasted longer if they weren't so overbearing if they gave their citizens more autonomy and allowed a Free Market to help the galaxy's damaged economy after the Clone Wars the Rebel Alliance would have never been a thing. I'm a rebel till the end

[@neofulcrum5013]

Same

[@ee-ef8qr]

At that point it's not an empire

[@thorpeaaron1110]

@@ee-ef8qr It still is . The British Empire wasn't overbearing and they lasted a long time .

[@ee-ef8qr]

@@thorpeaaron1110 it was overbearing, they had the power to call troops in independent of the colonies want to join a war. Also the British empire killed so many local industries.

[@akmalvargas3402]

Bro.. If empire was real. I will recommend you to be their Technology officer for sure.

[@Bluesonofman]

Basically: What if the Galactic Empire was as powerful as the Sith Empire

[@razvandobos9759]

The darktroopers and incinerator stormtroopers in the thumbnail need to be in Battlefront 2

[@StuartLugsden]

If the Empire and First/Final Order had nothing but extremely well trained Death troopers and Tie Defenders then rebellions would be impossible.

[@Pacbandit13]

Don't even need that, if they developed their economy to a galactic scale they could keep Disney stormtroopers and still Stomp

[@theenforcer3667]

And the Shadow troopers ?

[@GrandMoff734]

The Rebel Alliance don't stand a chance!

[@decanusseverus8773]

The title should have been “what if the empire tried”

[@MWH12085]

What's funny is The Republic Military was far more functional. Something like the Resurgence Class Star Destroyer to act as a replacement for the Standard ISD and the Venator and the Nebula Class could consolidate frigets or even corvettes (although, you might reclassify it as a Crusier)

[@razvandobos9759]

Just bring in the Expanded Universe Trooper variants like the Radtroopers and Terrortroopers and all phases of the darktrooper.

[@phoenixx913]

This did happen in the EU in fact you saw phase II dark troopers quite often in Star Wars Galaxies. In the EU the X-Wing was also originally designed to replace the Tie Fighter but rebels stole the plans, deleted the backups and stole the prototypes. It just didn't happen in disney's canon sadly.

[@Raider5]

Have you done a what if scenario on Galen Marek/ Starkiller becoming the new Vader/ taking over the Empire?

[@Pacbandit13]

If the empire has even a semi developed economy it would Stomp any rebellion. Heck it could crush All the other factions AT THE SAME TIME. Starkiller Forges aka Dyson Spheres

[@simonbarabash2151]

One that gets me is death troopers are always being used as bodyguards instead of being let out to do spec ops shit.

[@hornet718]

If Thrawn was human, then the Empire would have lasted longer. And the Empire was not a true military, it was an armored police force. The Grand Army of the Republic was more of an army than the Imperial Army. The Clone troopers were better trained and loyal than the Stormtroopers.

[@Bluesonofman]

What if Anakin found Revan's Mask and became Revan Reborn?

[@justadogobeingdogo5766]

You’re idea for the Empire would make it pretty *Unchill* people would like *NOT* join it or something.

[@aliastheabnormal]

The only downside would be the Vong if they were still canon. Because the Death Star was originally meant to blow up their homebase things before Tarkin got the bright idea of using it on Aldeeran.

[@j.a.b.nijenhuis8124]

That’s just propoganda from empire apologists. Not actual lore, not even in legends

[@Clueless-political-guy]

Thrawn if they empire was more strategic in this timeline would’ve probably survived. He would likely know of the Vong already and besides remember the Xyston classes built in only 3 decades? They can make like 1 in 5 years and still do the same thing as the Death Star but cheaper

[@add5459]

did the rebel win cause of plot armor as well ?

[@emmanuelmorris7653]

So basically they would have UNLIMITED POWER!!! What if the empire was opened to other species?

[@Kamiyoda]

*Sees Darktroopers * *Marches in Dubstep*

[@twistedyogert]

I'd add another thing. Don't torture people. Contrary to popular belief, torture rarely causes the suspect to reveal accurate information.

[@MASKarade25]

I would’ve made star destroyers with Death Star cannons that can wipe an entire continent. would be great for the empire, why wipe out a planet with billions of people and manny resources when you can keep most of them, and they’ll be far more mobile than the Death Star and cheaper to make so you can have a fleet of them. That would be my vision of the empire. And the rebellion would be brought to its knees.

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

You want logistics join the Army. Stormtroopers make do.

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

@William Cui I already have the quotes in my head but fit for the Star Wars universe.

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

@William Cui As the great warrior poet Max Rebo once said, “If the day does not require an A280, it is good.”

[@paulmackenan6043]

Palpatine commisioned the Death Star and other superweapons to combat the imminent Yuuzhan Vong invasion

[@FoxElliott]

"Simply put, basically, at the end of the day, all in all..." PLEASE, STOP!

[@davidordaz5251]

Do some more old republic what if and Jedi and Sith or do something like Darth vitiate controls the whole galaxy forever what if

[@rashmijha8987]

Come on the empire was not sensible at all even in their navy cause if they were they wouldn't build so big holes through which an entire x wing could fit directly to their core .

[@Hogan231]

Long live the Empire!

[@theenforcer3667]

Long live the Empire ✊🏻

[@DarkCancer2005]

More dark troopers

[@dylanthomas385]

Do what if the empire went thraw with its army of hurt clones

[@hunterdarkstar8126]

I can't really say their is a downside to this idea and it would have worked so much better then the deathstars

[@gatorboy5993]

Like u say I think there better off without the death star realistically, because fear can only keep some one in line for so long. That it also takes alot of resources to build it, isn't worth it in the long run. But this empire u describe in the video I believe it would last alot longer or heck possibly to the length of thousands of years if they kept spending the right way because there wasn't really any big threat out there. Well the other aliens that hate droids come in from the unknown regions come I forgotten there names even attack the empire would be far more prepared then in are time line and would rather probably kill the invaders off pretty quickly. So the only problem I see is possible the dark troopers because the people might protest about it because the anti droid thing going on from the clone wars, let's be real alot a people we're affected but at the end the day I don't think they can even do much about it if the empire became this powerful that your every day storm trooper is actually dangerous

[@gamerguidegerman2413]

"What is the empire was not the enemy of the plot armor bois"

[@jamarieharry1805]

I love this rethink keep it up

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Yeah I mean when you have Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers that can beat any conventional force in a fair fight do you really need anything bigger than that? As in have the centerpiece of the fleet be a Star Destroyer just one and have it surrounded in a fleet of smaller more specialized ships. With one superstar destroyer per sector surrounded by 4 Star Destroyer fleets and use it only for rapid reaction never put it in first. Also, add the rest of the stuff in the video + upgrades to Star Destroyers and Super slowly when able and you got a scary effective force.

[@devranhasan4969]

What if imperials and stormtroopers that deserted the empire joined and were recruited by The New Republic? Star Wars:Rethink

[@thorpeaaron1110]

There would be no First Order

[@devranhasan4969]

@@thorpeaaron1110 maybe, maybe not

[@wet_weather_imp]

That is basically what happens in canon

[@alluringming]

Best bet, have palpatine put thawn all things military cause he seem to know what was better for empire. I mean imagine if empire was run more efficiently and resources used more wisely. No doubt the rebels will have a much more organized and well equipped galactic empire. Also i got a what if scenario that you kind already did but wanted opinion on. What if Sith empire appeared in galactic empire era? How would they do against sidious and his empire? Also before someone points out, i doubt their ships would be outdated as if they kept their eyes and ears on events during clone wars to palpatine reign then most likely they adapt their technology to be on equal if not better than the galaxy.

[@christianburnett236]

The empire right after the conversion into the galactic empire changed things much too quickly, just as the new Republic disband their army. For what I saw from the comics from other you tubers; the legend material empire seemed to be much more competent, where palpatine refused to let Vader use brute force/fear since the empire wasn't quite at power in order to commence their symbol of fear and brute force!