What if the London Underground was extended much further South?

South London is a sparse area for any Tfl services, particularly by the London Underground with only 31 stations in this area. Fortunately, I have a plan to change it!

[@CarlConrad-vf6pn]

The Metro train services south of London should be transferred from SouthEastern and Southern to London Overground and run on a turn up and travel timetable, like the Tube. It is shocking that areas in close proximity to central London have only a half hourly service with overcrowded trains.

[@MichaelCampin]

Biggest problem is TfL are basically bankrupt

[@JW1_1]

... because they made the buses free during the pandemic, even though half their revenue comes from there! 🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️😆

[@EdgyNumber1]

TfL were so heavily in debt after Boris Johnson's tenior, it took a long while for Khan to cut that debt. Then the pandemic hit us.

[@nathanw9770]

They're never getting out of debt anyway so why not? 😂

[@mykolaccc]

The fare is ridiculously expensive tho they’re still bankrupt

[@Airjetneo123]

TfL: I have crippling debt

[@taiterobinson793]

The Victoria line is perfect as it is! It has connections with different lines and transport modes at every station aside from Pimlico. I’d only accept an extension to Crystal Palace only

[@davidyoung5114]

Would it not make more sense to create an East-West tube line with one end at Heathrow Airport and going east to intersect at such places as Richmond, Southfields, Stockwell, New Cross (Gate?), Lewisham, and end at Dartford? Other communities in between those Tube stations would be connected for the first time, and the great volume of travelers going to and from Heathrow wouldn't have to add to the congestion on all the Tube lines north of the Thames?

[@ricky6565]

Got to love the optimism in this vid. In reality, we'll be lucky to get the Bakerloo extension in the next 20 years.

[@paulturner8372]

The bakerloo ilns extension was first purpose in the 1970s

[@ricky6565]

@@paulturner8372 First Bakerloo Extension proposal along the Old Kent Road was in 1898! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Street_and_Waterloo_Railway#New_Cross_&_Waterloo_Railway_bill,_1898

[@DavidShepheard]

The best way to get the Bakerloo Line Extension built is to elect a government that isn't in the pockets of the oil industry and car industry. 😃

[@CM73878]

Building tube lines through south London is more expensive owing to the ground conditions and all don’s notorious clay soil. A much better solution would be for TfL to run metro services throughout London and take routes over from SouthEastern, running a turn up and go service. South London is poorly served by rail with half hourly services being the norm for part of the day. Absolutely crazy.

[@DrMJT]

Why split the tunnelling when tunnelling can be stacked as they are on the central line and Jubilee (at westminster). Patching, stitching together bits and pieces... when xRail2 and xRail3 would be a faster, high capacity, high frequency. The Northern Line already operates at near maximum capacity of 30tph. Morden is the Longest time a person is comfortable being on a crowded tube. Adding additional stops on the existing NL = Slower journey time than the already Long Journey. It is Faster, larger trains, with air con, more seating, up to 250m long trainsets from Reading can get into London FASTER than a person who has to 'Slogggg' it in bad air, crowded, hunched over, etc from Morden. You do not need 4 platforms for terminating trains... they can do as they do on the LizPurp westbound at Paddington... stop at usual station and then pull into a mid-tracks siding and reverse to join the line as an east bound service. The tube lines are heavily over crowded, running at peak times at well over 100% design capacity The Future of London Transport is to have Berne Gauge trainsets running across London getting people from Reading, Gatwick Ebbsfleet, Chelmsford, Luton, etc... into central London in under 20 minutes. Your patchwork is pretty but it does not get people door to desk in under 30 minutes when they work in the Heart of London (The City, The Westend, and Canary Wharf).

[@Harry_Hippie]

Fascinating stuff, great detail and enthusiasm. TFL need to sign you up now as your talent for future planning can only improve. Well done young Sir 👌 you have another subscriber.

[@DavidShepheard]

Very nice video. On your proposed Northern Line Extension, I'm not sure why you would want to demolish property south of Morden Station, when you have a train depot there. Loose some of the land there, for tunnels, and avoid an expensive battle against local NIMBYs. Further south, it looks like you want to share track with National Rail lines. That's a non-starter. National Raiil platforms are set high and tube trains are much lower than that height. That makes it impossible to have level boarding compliance for both types of trains. However, I do think you can work around the problem by building a pair of elevated lines above the existing lines. And, to allow for cross-platform interchanges to work, you should move one of the Network Rai tracks up into the air so that both the northbound platforms are together on one level and both the southbound platforms are together. You did another thing I thought was weird, when you said that you would diverge the Northern Line to avoid going through a cemetery. While forcing living people to move is undesirable, if it can be avoided, moving dead bodies to a new cemetery, outside London, doesn't hurt people. The station you showed in your video, to the south of the cemetary had a bent platform. That is a really bad idea. London Underground already has too many "mind the gap" stations, and just like the height problem is dangerous, gaps between trains and platforms are also dangerous. Go look up some information on the risks caused by the "platform train interface" and I think you will be able to come up with much safer station designs that cause less injuries, as well as being better for passengers who need step free access to trains. If your current proposals are not already "illegal" under accessibility and safety laws, they should be. We really need to not saddle future generations with stations that need to be rebuilt to fix oblivious flaws. You have a good head on your shoulders, so I think a bit of research will help you future-proof your plans. Turning back trains before Croydon is also a major mistake. As is not extending the line beyond Croydon. As is not having a direct interchange with East Croydon and Tramlink. If you swing your line north, before it gets near Croydon you could have it go under both West Croydon and East Croydon and continue east towards the major "rail desert" east of Croydon. Shirley Park Golf Club would be a good thing to demolish and replace with a station. Having said that, an East-West line through Croydon would probably be better off being a London Overground loop around London to big important stations in Outer London. BTW, for the new infill Northern Liine Station you called Tooting Graveney, your business case should be both to connect the Northern Line to Thameslink and also to provide a Thamslink station for St George's Hospital. You should maybe even call the station St George's Hospital. On your proposed Victoria Line Extension, you mentioned that Brixton's National Rail Station was bad, but stopped short of saying that it should be rebuilt and passed over to TfL. The obvious thing to do is to demolish or partially the buildings above the Victoria Line entrance and build two platforms that connect London Overground to the Victoria Line. Anyhoo, nice work. I look forward to seeing more videos from you.

[@theunknown2470]

Would be nice but unrealistic. The Epsom ext may happen but definitely not the Croydon one. It’ll simply be too much under in some and over capacity in other sections of the northern line. Rather if the Victoria line was to be extended along the A23 via Streatham Hill/ Telford Av and either via A23 to Croydon or Crystal Palace then croydon it would benefit croydon more. This is purely because the Vic is faster, and more frequent as it has no branches

[@kilo5ive]

spot on with what i was thinking

[@CM73878]

But that will never happen because the Victoria line risks being over capacity and no amount of new signalling will change that.

[@alisacrowder4833]

with London growing in population in the coming decades the only way for less road traffic is more underground.

[@Tonydjjokerit]

Not necessarily! Trams or LRT will certainly help with a lot of segregation of course!

[@RafaquaQuetta]

I'm a oldie but hopefully there's something akin to this South of the river in a few decades for yall to enjoy

[@pvuccino]

The District line was supposed to extend to Sutton from Wimbledon and the Northern line was going to join it. That's why it was extended to Morden in the first place! But in the end, the line from Wimbledon to Sutton was built as a main line railway leaving the end of the Northern line tantalizingly close to it, but never actually connecting with it!

[@robtyman4281]

The Victoria needs to be extended all the way to Croydon via Streatham. It would be hugely beneficial to people who live in South London, to have an alternative way of getting to East Croydon....instead of having to use Southern trains; and buses which take half a day to get to Croydon from Brixton or Peckham. And imo the Bakerloo Line should be extended to Bromley via Lewisham - finishing at Bromley South. With the penultimate stop being Bromley North - thereby connecting the two Bromley stations for the first time. Extending the B'loo Line to Bromley would make much more sense than extending it to Hayes; as Bromley is bigger and alot busier than Hayes, as a place. It has more transport connections.

[@Chill1TV]

Completely agree with this extension. It is unfair how much further north the current TFL services go. If Southern wants to hold onto the contract they have got to increase time of trains to one every few minutes similar to TFL. They need to do the Sutton line first as it's a London Borough and pays for TFL through taxes.

[@ahuman9143]

TFL doesn't get tax money...

[@User-x6y3e]

Lets just say if the london underground extended. the district will extend to startford international. metropolitan line and piccdilly line will go to dartford airport. london overground could extend to gatwick airport. same to the district line and it will connect with the metropolitan line for the first time by adding a stop which is aldgate. and metropolitan line will extend to gatwick airport. plus with more lines we would also see many stops that will be cool! Note: these are just ny ideas so they are not real.

[@avglondonproductions9225]

hmmm...

[@User-x6y3e]

@@avglondonproductions9225 what you think of my idea?

[@nathanw9770]

Dartford Airport doesn't exist

[@User-x6y3e]

@@nathanw9770 right

[@User-x6y3e]

but its just my idea

[@peterwhipps208]

I do like your ideas, particularly your connections to Croydon, currently very dependent on surface transport. Hew about a link from Croydon - Cheam - further south? Reigate (or Redhill) - Gatwick (now that Heathrow is well connected) - Crawley!

[@ahuman9143]

Havering and Barking and Dagenham are also heavily dependant on bus services, yet TFL are already planning on withdrawing the 347 bus leaving a part of Havering without a bus service and not improve existing bus routes in areas where its the only form or public transport. Try getting from Marks Gate to Harold Hill by bus, a journey where its should be 25 mins at most, takes over an hour. Some areas, have to suffer with a 20+mins bus ride just to their nearest train station, yet Havering and most of Barking and Dagenham so even have a Superloop service.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

what you propose would break the 1930s agreement for the tube to not encroach on the territory of the Southern electric - this is why the Northern line stopped at Morden and further south the Southern built on the alignment the Underground planned to use instead. The Bakerloo line to Lewisham is different as it will follow a route (Old Kent Road) that is poorly served by the mainline. The Victoria line can barely cope as it does, so extending further south is unlikely. The District to Wimbledon is very different - it dates from the steam train era and until 1941 both District and London Southwestern Railway (LSWR) / Southern served part of the route. Also, the running rights the LSWR gave to the District Railway to use their tracks to Wimbledon (and Richmond) included it (the LSWR) using District Railway tracks to High Street Kensington, although the LSWR never used this rights. Crossrail line 2 will see mainline trains crossing London in new tunnels, with the same status as the Elizabeth line.

[@danielaltmann8493]

Nobody builds loops to turn trains around these days, as they require too much space, and if a driver is to take a break, the train has nowhere to be overtaken...

[@nathanw9770]

Great video. Just a few gripes I have are the naming of some stations such as Laurel Gate and the hilarious sounding Nonsuch Park. Change them to the names of the main roads or the names of areas they serve so that passengers know what area they are going to (eg. Change Croydon Central to Fairfield Halls which everyone in Croydon knows). Also change the locations of the terminis to more convenient locations with already built connections like Bromley North/South or East Croydon. I also couldn't help seeing the huge gap of services in the Greenwich borough so another suggestion I have is to extend the Elizabeth line via a branch to places like Eltham, Mottingham and Chislehurst, as they do not have train stations near their town centres and would take commuter traffic off the roads and buses. These suggestions are very unrealistic and unlikely to be built but it is fun to brainstorm ideas of how to better connect South London.

[@roderickmain9697]

Nicely thought out. However, when I lived just south of Sutton (in Belmont) it occurred to me that the branch ;line to Epsom Downs was rather poor. It might have made more sense for your Morden to Sutton link to pick up and reuse this line as an Underground line. The link beyond Brixton maybe easier to accomplish by reusing overground lines. One might observe that there are many old routes that are little used or abandoned by overground lines which might be brought back into use as Underground extension lines. If anything is likely to succeed in south London it will be routes that require minimal work to construct and while tunnels are not out of the question, they do tend to be expensive in this country. I like the thinking though. Maybe you will make it happen in due course.

[@bm8641]

Definitely, the Tube must be extended from Morden to Croydon. At least that. Never mind that Kingston upon Thames should be connected to London via Richmond ... The mayor, mr Khan, is a southerner and all his mandate didn't do anything for South London. Nothing.

[@ahuman9143]

You do realise that the journey will probably be twice the length of just getting the existing National Rail... Croydon to London Bridge is literally 2 stops on Thameslink and is around like 12 mins if you aren't delayed, but the Northern Line already takes like 20+ mins to get from Morden to London Bridge. Croydon residents will still use the Thameslink/Southern service instead and change at London Bridge or City Thameslink

[@lars7935]

So many suburban services could be converted to through running Thameslink / Crossrail type lines with relatively short central London sections. this would also improve connectivety between the many terminus stations and free up capacity there as well. And of course extend the Bakerloo line and expanding the DLR and Tram networks. A more short term option would be to take over some suburban lines as overground services. There is a lot of existing infrastructure that can be used and expanded upon.

[@YouyouYouyouYouyouY]

If the train terminates at the inner platforms at crystal palace, It will be going to the new stable sidings between crystal place and laurlel gate. The siding can only hold one train and only used when there is a dispruption/strike, and also can be used for reversing the train

[@avglondonproductions9225]

hmmm

[@daveash9572]

You might want to look into the existence of the former london underground owned sports fields at north cheam. It seems that there was a plan to extend the northern line to terminate either there, or potentially at Epsom or Sutton, exactly as you said. It is both good and bad that this never happened. Really good videos by Geoff Marshall and Jago Hazzard about this too.

[@fiveYqueue]

Ah! How I would have loved to have been able to get to school by getting on the tube at Nonsuch Park and alighting at Stonecot Hill! In the event the 93 (and then ultimatetely the 293 bus) had to suffice. There were plans for the District Line to get to Sutton by means of some kind of flyover at Wimbledon and then, as has been mentioned, the Southern thwarted the Underground plans from Morden to Sutton. I love your ideas but I fear that residents of Sutton and Croydon would not have chosen the tube over National Rail services unless they were doing purely local journeys. There are a number of key locations in south London that would have been ideal for the tube....one is Camberwell Green and the other is Rosehill at the heart of the St. Helier estate. I see that your tramline, briefly mentioned when you talk about Morden, seems to be heading in the direction of Rosehill....

[@allenwilliams1306]

One of the major disadvantages of the existing rail routes from Croydon to central London is that they meander all over the place to get there. Really, I can't see anyone taking a new tube line from Croydon Central to London if the route takes them through Sutton and North Cheam before it even starts taking them in a northerly direction. Putting Croydon on the tube map would be better achieved by extending the Victoria Line through Herne Hill and Tulse Hill to Streatham, Norbury, and Thornton Heath Pond, to West Croydon, then following the line of the main road south as far as Coulsdon. Personally, I would hen extend it to serve Old Coulsdon and terminate at Caterham-on-the-Hill, although the last-mentioned is just outside the GL boundary.

[@highpath4776]

@ChilternTransportProductions Have you tried WALKING up the hill at Caterham - a nice Hampstead style deep level tube would be useful. But all extensions come with the implied intensification of densification of housing or workplaces. Of course if we say re-classify the Overground lines that pass through the Brunel Tunnel as a tube line ( SSL and repaint the rolling stock red) job done with a few easy extensions - West Croydon to Sutton/ Belmont doubling frequency alternating with Southern, Running a West Croydon-Wimbledon - Streatham via an expanded thamelink end loop

[@allenwilliams1306]

@ChilternTransportProductions No. Caterham-on-the-Hill is a distinct centre from Caterham Valley and is perched right on top of the North Downs. Caterham station does not effectively serve it at all. Moreover, Old Coulsdon, similarly elevated, isn't served by rail either.

[@SeanSoraghan]

U can'textend the victoria line as its already overcrowded

[@allenwilliams1306]

@@SeanSoraghan Of course you can, and should. Access to central London directly by the Underground from south London is already extremely irksome, entailing travel by National Rail to a London terminus and then changing to the Underground at one of the busiest stations. Those in the north hop on a nice empty train and go all the way to a central tube station convenient for any change they need to make. Extending the Victoria Line in the way I suggested would alleviate congestion on surface rail services to Victoria and pressure on the Victoria Line station at Victoria more than anything else.

[@michaelpierce826]

That's a great I've just moved to old Coulsdon from norbury we have to take a bus from here to Coulsdon south station which is about 45mins if u walk it

[@aaronsmith9209]

Really interesting video, I noticed when you zoomed out your map, you had several proposals for Hertfordshire and Essex/ Romford. I hope you do a video on those too. Turning the Abbey Line into a crossrail for Hertfordshire would be a good idea, extending the central line to Harlow is actually seriously being considered by the town council and that branch off of Hainault to Brentwood via Collier Row would take a lot of pressure off of the Elizabeth Line. Also appreciate seeing Chingford being connected to Waltham Abbey by rail given there isn't even a direct bus between the two anymore!

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

Romford isn't Essex

[@julianbrock6198]

Perhaps the Croydon line could become an express line that bypasses most of the stations on the northern line into London

[@amazing50000]

I am from New York. Limited London Underground service in South London reminds me of the limited to no New York City Subway service in Southeastern Brooklyn (Brooklyn), Eastern Queens (Queens), Central Bronx (The Bronx) and all of Staten Island but only worst, as there are no other rail networks to supplement these areas (you have to take a slow bus), and LIRR, Metro-North & Staten Island Railway and not a good option because of the headways.

[@michellebell5092]

The Northern line extension is a jolly interesting idea and you have put together a well put together set of proposals. I live in the area and so I await seeing if this plan comes fruition. Similarly I like the proposals to extend the Victoria line to Bromley. Well done.

[@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire]

They did not consider other options for those routes such as adding extra mainline trains, as well as they missed off some of the crossovers in their diagram of Epsom. Also, they did not seem to mention that they had considered the upgrades which where being made.

[@CDN_Store]

A Croydon station a lil further back from your station would be great since that site is currently a massive hole in the ground. It's interesting that your location is parallel to the old Croydon Central hence forth the sunken part of Queens Gardens. My mum would love this as we live in Thornton Heath and she works in the Stonecot area. Love the video, research and concept you've come up with.

[@ahuman9143]

The Croydon Tram thing was a missed opportunity of sending the District line to Croydon via Mitcham and Wimbledon

[@deltawasneverhere]

Man I love when SWR sends 4 car services on a half-hourly rush hour service

[@avglondonproductions9225]

I hate how SWR sends them like that because it limits capacity for people who want to head into the city

[@petermartin7350]

How about an extension from the Northumberland Park depot to the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium?

[@JW1_1]

First of all it'd be worth it if they actually won anything lol plus there's already a White Hart Lane station

[@SingleTheShot]

hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it looks like tfl has cancelled sutton tramlink

[@goodwood-rc4nx]

love the Bromley link but between time and money likely not use before retirement

[@MrTonyHeath]

What if the London Underground WERE...

[@CCA2020]

Mate I love this video, could do with more long form underground vids like yours, you’ve earned a new subscriber 👍

[@kwamkproductions]

Absolutely love this video! Wow. I wish they acc listened to such a proposal. Although I must say I am slightly disappointed there was still no mention of a centralised south London line going through Streatham, Thornton Heath/Norbury, West/Central Croydon, Purley then maybe either Redhill via couldson & merstham or Caterham via Warlingham! Would love to know your thoughts!

[@mildlydispleased3221]

Or we could take the much cheaper option of running the Northern Line extension along the existing tracks from Morden South to Sutton.

[@eastlancsesteem]

True.

[@Soj_89]

Considering the Northern line needs to be split into two anyway, for capacity at Morden and the other terminus of the Northern Line, one of these two lines could take the branch to Croydon and the other could take the branch to Epsom, which would solve the Northern Lines capacity struggles and would serve multiple new areas of South London.

[@djelalniyazi4090]

it should be this is were its needed.

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

TFL should take over the conurbation services in the South, that are served by national rail rn.

[@quintuscrinis]

Agree the Sutton loop of Southern (and arguably the Caterham line) as well as the three part loop of Southeastern and the Kingston/Sunbury and Chswick loops of South West should all really be tennis into TFL Overground style services. Probably the Orpington, Chesington and Hampton Court services too.

[@allenwilliams1306]

@@quintuscrinis Whyteleafe, Whiteleafe South, and Caterham are all outside Greater London, so I don't see any justification for handing the line over to TfL.

[@quintuscrinis]

@allenwilliams1306 Carpenters Park, Bushey and Watford are also all outside Greater London but the Watford DC lone was an original Overground route because it is a stopping service that mostly serves stations in Greater London.

[@allenwilliams1306]

@@quintuscrinis i think it is wholly reasonable for TfL to manage all rail lines wholly within Greater London, but not to do so if they go over the boundary for more than, say, four or, at the outside, five route miles. It is bizarre, for example, that TfL manages any travel as far as Maidenhead and Reading. That really is none of their business.

[@eastlancsesteem]

Yes please!

[@theworldwidetourist24-7]

What program/software did you use to show the extension of the Northern Line?

[@ignacyk3203]

Nimby Rails, it is a game

[@theworldwidetourist24-7]

@@ignacyk3203 Thank you

[@eurojamie]

Excellent work! How do you draw your line maps? - they're excellent (one suggestion: if possible, darken the grey shading for existing rail lines on the map to make it clearer where they are (and if possible, also show disused and former rail lines, perhaps in shades of brown (darker brown for disused, lighter brown for former where rights of way could still exist, and lighter brown again where rights of way (at ground/viaduct level anyway) don't currently exist, as the site has been built on (of course, it could be redeveloped again to incorporate rail lines ...)))).

[@Tonydjjokerit]

I like the Northern extension South of Morden but a shorter one to Motspur Park is far more cost effective and then take over the branch route to Chessington South, The Victoria line extension is good and I like the idea extending to Beckenham Junction but would terminate the Victoria line there. The North to Leytonstone from Walthamstow and a curve from Leytonstone to Wanstead taking over the Hainault loop from the Central line to Woodford.

[@lostcarpark]

Some great ideas. I think it will need to be split up into smaller phases. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much appetite for new investment in TFL (or any public transport) at the moment.

[@FART-REPELLENT]

Actually there is plenty of appetite for public transport expansions in London; the only problem is serious lack of funding due to the poor state of our economy.

[@Lemanic89]

Could you put a link to your map, please? Really interesting.

[@Umut-j3f]

WE NEED THE DISTRICT AND NORTHERN TO GO CLAPHAM JUNCTION WHOS WITH ME????

[@HarrowwInk]

northern line extension could happen if crossrail 2 eventually happens but DISTRICT LINE EXTENSION TO CLAPHAM JUNCTION? you lost me there mate

[@Umut-j3f]

@@HarrowwInk why it could create links

[@Umut-j3f]

And crossrail can be faster

[@MichaelCampin]

You need to speak to Geoff Marshall, although it will never happen

[@AfmanBoi225]

what is the name of the software to draw the train lines on a map?

[@avglondonproductions9225]

NIMBY Rails

[@NubianPrince85]

Love it....tho some unrealistic in places i love the thought process into this 😊

[@kushtrimbylykbashi6355]

Amazing video! Very impressive

[@kiankier7330]

you could also move the district line down to Sutton, as was initially planned with the Wimbledon and Sutton Railway

[@teafrost]

Helllloo! What software did you use for the maps at 9:23 ? Would love to use them for rapid transit maps! ❤

[@avglondonproductions9225]

NIMBY Rails

[@teafrost]

​@@avglondonproductions9225Thank you!

[@mr_gamebearr9666]

What app did you use for the mapping?

[@MrGamingMan928]

I think it is a game called NIMBY Rails

[@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire]

The northern line does not have capacity for Northern Line extensions even after being split into two. Also since it is deep level tunnel can run under cemeteries and be fine. Turnback Sidings would be cheaper and more efficient in terms of space of wise as well as allowing for better use. Also balloon loops are an issue operationally and maintenance wise since some of your trains are the wrong way around. Also, it would make more sense to extend Victoria line to Croydon rather than Bromley since the Northern line would be no use as well as the Victoria could take pressure off the Brighton Mainline which the Northern could not do. Also the Northern line should not be extended to Epsom becuase of Epsom Downs station and well as Crossrail 2 is going to deliver everything the Northern line could do but better.

[@highpath4776]

already got loops at Kennington, Heathrow and Hainault, plus the triangle at Watford-Rickmansworth

[@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire]

@@highpath4776 Kennington loop is an optional issue hence the battersea power station extensions. Hainault loop is operated not as a loop, because it is a shuttle between Hainault and Woodford. Heathrow loop plans to get rebuilt out of the loop. The Watford Triangle is an operational issue hence the North curve is rarely used and only to trains to and from Rickmansworth depot and they have to return back to Watford to be the correct way around. Also Watford Triangle is going to be mainly for Chiltern Railways trains to Watford Junction. Balloon loops are getting removed. Also if Balloon loops are such a good idea why are they not being fitted to new lines, for example Battersea Power Station extensions and Elizabeth Line.

[@highpath4776]

@@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire Kennington Loop needs to stay as route knowledge, there being no siding for Charing X services to short terminate when Batterseas are under engineeing work or otherwise - as it is it is probably used too much in present timetable but it is also something to do with pathing to the three northern ends in the north served on the running times to full and short trip lenghts. Woodfords do have peak run throughs (or did). You would only put a loop in where it makes some kind of sense particulary if there was a demand to travel from one side ot the loop to the other , which for present Wimbledons. Hounslows/ Dartfords (and Thanet services) there probably is , although a more frequent to ends with a change might be preferred. Most london bus services try to avoid loops enroute or end route

[@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire]

@@highpath4776 There is a siding at Kennington for the Northern Line Charring Cross branch. The Kingston loop is planned to be split into two when Crossrail 2 happens, the Southern Half will be replaced with an increased Shepperton Service and the Northern Half will be replaced by an enhanced London Waterloo to Kingston service. The Woodford loopers were withdrawn because it was operationally too complex which caused issues with late trains as well as they needed to free up trains to allow them to do the refurbishment program. Also, Woodford Loop exists for Historical reasons only, if it was built now then you would probably not have the section between Woodford and Hainault. The Hounslow loopers are first to be withdrawn whenever there is an issue which requires the cutting of services since the other services run similar services which makes the Hounslow rounders redundant. If loops are such a good idea then why was the Battersea Power Station branch, Elizabeth Line and quite a few other new lines built with turnback sidings instead of Loops. Loops make it so some of your trains are the wrong way around which means if there is a failure with a train it is harder to get a train to assist with recovery of the failed train because it could lead to the train trying to either rip its self apart or trying to compress its self. Balloon loops with only a single station station on make no sense, hence you should use Turnback Sidings because Turnback Sidings are more space efficient. The Northern line according to the Working Timetable, does not use the Kennington Loop in regular service since it runs at 24tph on both Branches and you have 24tph to Edgware, 4tph to Mill Hill East, 20tph to High Barnet for the northern end with the Southern end having 18tph to Battersea Power Station and 30tph to Morden. Thanet services either terminate at Margate or Ramsgate according to the Network Rail working timetable. I am not saying we should not have loops but the places where the loops are suggested in the video do not make sense because Turnback sidings would be able to deal with the services they want the trains to deal with.

[@highpath4776]

@@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire I am sure the Thanets show (and driver change) terminations but the units run through. Last time I used northern Kennington terminations varied between 1in 4 , 1 in 3 and 2 in 3 trains described ( it was a sunday late afternoon). Given the green belt the north bit of the Hainualt area indeed would not get a train service, it barely gets a bus service. (Basically running the Mill Hills to Battersea is a relatively short distance thus the appearence of more trains per hour . Sorry I did forget the tunnel siding at Kennington was mainly on the Charing X side (I dont think it is accessible from Bank as I thought - I will have to check my long put away tube line map by age built inc non passenger connections. The loop problem really caused problems for electronic signalling where the front as the A and B ends of a unit would effectively swap places and the train to train software needed a means of identifing this (bit like model railway 2 rail electric switching).

[@maedero05]

Northern lin e already so lomg see no us extending ? As the richmond extending along national rail is use less. Bakerloo might be, not the proposed scheme but camberwell elevated extension not to lewisham elswhwere and victoria take over some lines elevated south !

[@bhavnavenkat8108]

SLAYED 🫶🏽

[@archiveguy2362]

tfl said in the future they're planning to extend the bakerloo line to Lewisham

[@archiveguy2362]

@ChilternTransportProductions yeah

[@davidjohnson3890]

Great idea but I can't see it ever happening. Look how long it took to build the east-west Elizabeth line. Also in addition the debacle of HS2 has scared many Westminster politicians away from any idea or concept of building any further railways even if we had the necessary skills and ability. Remember, most of the senior engineers working on the Elizabeth Line and HS2 were French and they left after Brexit and I don't think they will want to be coming back with the cost of an annual UK visa. Also, we're broke after 13 years of Tory government although we could always ask the Chinese to fund it as they are already funding much of our infrastructure anyway and it could make a good investment for them?

[@mildlydispleased3221]

I genuinely thought you were an elderly Australian woman.

[@Zt1d45]

is he indian?

[@VexSG]

I thought the same thing, sounds a bit like aussie wirraway to me aswell haha

[@mildlydispleased3221]

@zt_1d45 Definitley aussie (Or Kiwi perhaps) but definitely not old or a woman.

[@RafaquaQuetta]

NAURR 💀

[@martynlockhart4386]

Nice video

[@saraswathysrinivasan706]

Super Very nice Akshay Thanks ma

[@eddisstreet]

Where's the money coming from?

[@GaryTimbsman]

Really well-made video. If you could make the visual and transitions more professional to match the script, you'd be rivalling the likes of real life lore with the vdieo quality.

[@dazzlesMCskins]

What site/software do you use for those maps?

[@AntonyShannon]

well done

[@YouyouYouyouYouyouY]

3:32 what is that website

[@avglondonproductions9225]

cartometro.com/documents/CartoMetroLondon.v4.4.pdf

[@frongus47]

what game is that 9:24

[@Davidnw2010_]

NIMBY Rails

[@Railxter]

Game / app?

[@avglondonproductions9225]

NIMBY Rails

[@Railxter]

@@avglondonproductions9225 TYSMMM

[@Elrincondesantiago]

IM THE 400TH SUSCRIBER

[@boxheadfitness]

Northern line should extend to Dorking or even Horsham

[@boxheadfitness]

District line should extend to Shepperton, Hampton Court and Chessington South

[@Tonydjjokerit]

Hampton Court and Chessington South better served by the Northern line extensions.

[@chandlerbstransport422]

excellent ideas but will probably never happen

[@JelMain]

You'd facilitate the escape route for the gangs.

[@RealConstructor]

Agreed, we can’t let the biggest gang escape out of Westminster.

[@Umut-j3f]

Nahhhhhh following the southeastern nahhhh this extension is better brixton Streatham hill Streatham

[@ajons190]

South London is basically a pile of houses once you get beyond the riverbank. It has loads of railways so why waste money on tunnels that no-one needs? It tells you all you need to know that the newly-built Elizabeth Line largely avoids South London - as do most of us.

[@bruceperkins4601]

All you need to know is a lot more about S. London. Wonderful open spaces, thousand-year-old forests. Happy for you in yr ignorance not to visit us

[@eastlancsesteem]

Then get TFL to takeover the railways then. We need TFL!

[@PGATProductions]

it has bunch of railways...which are all shit and have poor connectivity. the reason why the elizabeth line was such a success is because it amalgamated two poorly performing suburban lines and gave them direct links to central and outer london on the other side without having to change for the tube

[@eastlancsesteem]

@@PGATProductions Exactly!

[@nathanw9770]

You mean just like Everywhere else in London and every town in the UK? And how exactly do you think the people in those bunch of houses get to their jobs just to be able to afford them?