What If The Middle East's Borders Were Redrawn?

[@MonsieurDean]

I would just reestablish Rome if I could.

[@IVBW-by8lf]

Ok

[@TheRatOnFire_]

Roma Invicta, Roma Aeterna

[@PrussiaAustriaConfederal]

Viva Roma. Lunga vita a Roma! Roma è per sempre!

[@msmith1890]

There was once a dream. A dream called Rome.

[@familygash7500]

I think that some Italian guy wearing a fez actually tried to do that, once. He didn't see much success, though.

[@diegoyanesholtz212]

Africa has a poorly drawn border too you should do that continent next.

[@GotMyTowel42]

there was a map on Reddit that did that, it was very detailed

[@MjukCheese]

@@GotMyTowel42 whats it called might wanna check it out

[@GotMyTowel42]

@@MjukCheese the only one I've found so far is "Map of Ethnicities in Africa [OC]" by ChocolateInTheWinter I really can't recall the one I thought of, but there's a chance this one is actually the one I thought of edit: the other maps with seemingly more "countries" aren't ethnic, but tribal edit2: there's also "Extremely detailed map of Africa's languages [2429 x 2969]"

[@MjukCheese]

@@GotMyTowel42 thanks imma look at them

[@GotMyTowel42]

@@MjukCheese np man

[@Dougplugthugspicyfriedchicken]

Britain and France should go back and redraw the Middle East’s borders since they’re the ones who made them

[@MonsieurDean]

Second times the charm, ey?

[@1650th]

I don't want radioactive sand thank you very much

[@JAKE-em5xr]

You never let a british draw a map they wont do it good second time either

[@TheRealVenom448]

If you mean via nuke, then the sand would turn into glass.​@@1650th

[@TheTrex9000]

No, don't ever let Britain cook again

[@Marcus-nn6js]

Well, this won't cause massive arguments in the comments.

[@MonsieurDean]

Monsieur Z in a Fez: “Haha! Now let the donkey and elephant fight for my amusement!”

[@Voomal123]

@@MonsieurDeanwhy didn’t I understand that 💀

[@Guacamoc]

@@Voomal123rep v democrat, elephant v donkey, Fez= little red hat associated with the near east and North Africa

[@Voomal123]

@@Guacamoc oh thx!!

[@U.K.N]

I am a middle easterner , and i assure you this map is great , i would only like to change 2 things : 1- and independent hijazi state under the less radical hashemites 2 ( this is more personal ) - the small shiite state under syrian protection be either independent or under iranian protection ( it does have the power to stand up to syria since it stood up to israel in our timeline )

[@easternhistorian4763]

Make it all Cyprus, the Kingdom of Cyprus needs to extend to Greece, Armenia Cilicia and all of the levant.

[@sarantis1995]

Richard the Lion heart, first king of Cyprus xD

[@MauveBruv]

no the fuck it shouldn't, because lebanon and cyprus will controlled the world

[@CMVBrielman]

7:20 You do know Jordan tried *exactly* that, right? And for their trouble, a Palestinian assassinated their king.

[@MonsieurDean]

Damn

[@Kolateak_]

And then Palestinians tried to do it _again_

[@Chr0n0s38]

​@@MonsieurDean Palestinians are fiercely anti-monarchy. The only solution would be to force Israel to treat them all as first class citizens, though due to how many Palestinians there are the result would be the end of the idea of Israel as a Jewish state.

[@familygash7500]

They straight up tried to overthrow The Hashmites in a civil war known as: 'Black September'. Why they did that, I have no idea.

[@Adir-Yosef]

@@MonsieurDean this is not the only problem with the map either, Saudi Arabia will just collapse, water problems will be plaguing everyone but Israel who's already been dealing with that by desalinization, Israel and U.A.R border disputes over the Christians and the Golan, the entire future of the region depending on weather the Persians people would decide their own fate or would remain as an Islamic theocracy (because one thing that's suppose to be VERY clear is how Shiite population are literally everywhere that's important and nowhere else!

[@Jose-cy7od]

I like apple juice.

[@kayseek1248]

I prefer apple & mango

[@korotan658]

I don't like the juice

[@jolly-rancher]

apple juice sucks

[@MonsieurDean]

Why not papaya?

[@PresidentAutumn]

I like cranberry juice

[@W3ap0n1zedAut1sm]

Waiting for all the Greeks to start flipping out that they are included in this lol

[@johncalabria1607]

It’s understandable because of Cyprus being involved. I don’t think anyone misinterpreted this video as saying Greeks are middle eastern

[@sarantis1995]

I was puzzled when I saw my country on the middle east map but then again when it came to Cyprus, as a direct extension of Turkey's territorial claims, it makes sense. The Greece (incl Cyprus) - Judeojordan - UAR - Egypt axis would be a very formidable force in the region of East Mes though. The proposed borders look nice from an objective perspective but Turkey comes out as a "big loser" and only in 1920 would such an arrangement have worked.

[@mastrey]

​@@sarantis1995 i feel that the economic crisis in turkey have the potential capacity to force turkey to accept some type of kurdistan estate The Chipre situation can be more dificult because the population of ilegal occupands is growing A potential solution will be a ecconomic incentive to remove non-locals from east chipre to a more comfortable levels before any type of fusion with Chipre were the Fusion with Grece will be posible I also feel that Middle East have 5 Regional powers Iran Saudis Egypt Turkey and Israel and maybe a improve bersion of the map needs to include the full caucasus region

[@assasine08]

Not did they only "lose" land but imagine how bad turkey would try to escalate the problem of sea borders with Greece if that is today already a big issue.

[@olbiomoiros]

@@johncalabria1607 Even if that were so. There were Greeks in Anatolia, the Levant, and Egypt. It’s not like Greeks are completely detached from the Middle East. We have a historical connection. Not to mention how Cyprus is literally in the Middle East.

[@DeanMonsieur]

Redraw intergalactic borders next. The Spug System has been unlawfully mining Zorback Gling Crystals for too long!

[@MonsieurDean]

This is a must!

[@TastefulGorilla]

Free Quasarstan.

[@TheTrex9000]

Please, we all know Kepler 32b rightfully owns all of the Cygnus Sector.

[@jameszog1018]

@@TheTrex9000 Kepler Imperialists! Vroxia forever!

[@adamhastie8439]

Vive la sirius

[@Zaabi]

Not gonna lie the map was definitely made by people who ether never lived in Arabia or people who don’t know the Middle East- this is cursed

[@adamnesico]

Any frontiers would be cursed. What would you draw instead?

[@Zaabi]

@@adamnesico the Arabian peninsula, merging the Arabian cost states into the uae plus South Yemen including the Hormuz and Qashem islands

[@friendlyreminder3280]

I live in the middle east and this seems pretty good

[@Zaabi]

@@friendlyreminder3280living in the Middle East and being from the Middle East are two different things. And my point was that Arabias borders make zero sense

[@pizzat1me788]

@@friendlyreminder3280yeah ur def israeli bc no sane arab would ever see this as a good idea

[@NordicSupremacist]

The American gon fix the French British mistake!

[@utopiaOKC]

Yea we thought the same thing about Vietnam.

[@aehoward91]

Ah we just need to spread manage democracy all they need is some freedom!

[@jgw9990]

​@@utopiaOKCPain. America missed an opportunity to stick it to the French and side with the Vietnamese. Britain basically advised France to leave as soon as possible, but France wouldn't listen.

[@5eyoshi]

Screw off

[@thomasdevine867]

Something has to be done. And anything that wasn't malicious or about control by outsiders would have to be better.

[@ColdHighway7]

How to fix the ME: Get the hell out of the region, eliminate foreign aid and the only money that goes there is through trade

[@beastdork19]

Naw bro you drew worse borders than even the French and British with this one 💀

[@Omarkhawaldeh13]

Thank you from an actual middle eastern Jordanian 🇯🇴❤️

[@U.K.N]

In terms of looks , yes . In terms of actual stability , probably no .

[@End_Mii]

WRONG! Middle East is historical Albanian land! 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱

[@Deridus]

Long live King Zog!

[@beastdork19]

Finally someone who gets who really owns the Middle East!!!

[@scorpionjaxxer339]

No. That’s stupid

[@Deridus]

@@scorpionjaxxer339 Yes, factually accurate.

[@scorpionjaxxer339]

@@Deridus Roman and Persia would be better. Rome rules west, Persia rules east (oversimplification). At least in a perfect world😅

[@Counterfactualy_no]

This comment section is going to be peaceful and civil with no out of control debates

[@Kyle-qd2sy]

A shame the Assyrian's don't get included in this. After the Assyrian genocide and attacks by ISIS they don't make up a lot of territory anymore but before WWI their population made up a decent amount of what is now south-east Turkey and north west Iraq.

[@Lockfly]

The population of Assyrians in Iraq is that of a small town. Anyway Assyrians live in close proximity mostly with Ezidi Kurds who have outnumbered them for a couple hundred years now and have been their source of protection. If anything it would be way more feasible giving them a state or an Ezidi-Assyrian state.

[@kacgb5315]

Ya source of protection and their genociders to😂, double edged sword ig, the kurds were useful to the Turks when they wanted other minorities dealt with but ay assyrians can't do much since the population is so low and muslims surround them

[@xianxiaemperor1438]

Exactly! what a waste.

[@pieui]

🇺🇸sisi

[@pieui]

​@@Lockflybad

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

That thumbnail is awesome! You never dissapoint

[@legendtroll7501]

I'm gonna be real. I can understand 99% of the rest of the map. But please enlighten to me as to why major turkish cities in southern anatolia are given to Syria? Kurdish freedom? Understandable. Cyprus united with autonomy? Ok. But how do you justify giving actual majority turkish lands to Syria I am very curious. Even antioch, which Syria actually claims, is today majority turkish in basically every map I have seen in my life.This just does not make sense.

[@Altair-El-Haddad]

It was Syrian lands way back, that's why.

[@ayyybob]

It's majority turkish, end of story ​@@Altair-El-Haddad

[@Altair-El-Haddad]

@@ayyybob not really, it has always been Syrian lands, just like golan heights.

[@physetermacrocephalus2209]

​@@ayyybob Thats should not be how decisions are made. By that logic things like colonialism, wars of agression and ethnic cleansing are all just and logical which in reality or not. All human ethnic groups should have thier territory restricted to only thier indigenous lands. We should treat ourselves like the animals we are. Indigenous populations are proven and supported. Unindigenous populations are all deported back to wherever science says the genes are from. TL;DR Aparthied aka traditional nationalism as how all of civilzation worked before things like colonialism and wars of agression ruined.

[@ayyybob]

@@physetermacrocephalus2209 y'know what you do have a point, I'm sorry for what I said

[@legchairhistorian5496]

Wow I’m first 23 seconds, this seems like a very controversial video. Making spheres are reminiscent of the Sykes picot I must say.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

What if we glass it from orbit instead? Much less problems.

[@utopiaOKC]

That would work of they had done what they did for no reason. You cant destabilize an entire region for 50 years and then wonder why they cant get along. Thats like expecting africa to be peaceful after the french left. Nice way to show how little you know about this though.

[@jgw9990]

​@utopia4056 Before those 50 years, things were kept stable by the Ottoman Turks basically ruling over the Arabs. Maybe its better, maybe not.

[@crusader2112]

​@jgw9990 Indeed. Specifically Jews, Christians and Muslims were living in relative Peace under the Ottomans, then came European Zionist J*ws which in turn radicalized the Muslims.

[@duquedealbadetormes6117]

​@@utopiaOKCSooo... Let's just glass Africa. Problem solved.

[@1650th]

Not before I come for you

[@wilpikle7754]

Damn of course we are gonna forget the Assyrians and Chaldeans RIP

[@MPHJackson7]

He probably didn't include them since he was only focusing on states big enough to not get conquered by other states

[@johnthestringray]

​@@MPHJackson7then why the little 4 coastal states in Lebanon and Syria. Those would be eaten up by Israel or the big Syria quite quickly.

[@Aq_3]

@@johnthestringray there autonomous but your too dumb to hear

[@kevinyonan9666]

@@MPHJackson7 he could've put them as getting autonomy somewhere...

[@desichalkos5627]

Giving the region around lake Van to the kurds is as indefensible as the current status quo. That land was Armenian in every sense of the word until the genocide, and giving it to the kurds is just rewarding them for the massive role they played in said genocide (and the Assyrian one, too). As far as i'm concerned, their current persecution is punishment for being lapdogs of the turks. Does there exist a reality in which the Armenians don't get shafted at every opportunity?

[@zgramzhnisk3036]

Give it to them and they end up being almost a minority in their own country, the region bordering Armenia and Lake Van has around 2-2.5 million people, Armenia itself has a population of 2.7 million. You would be creating a country where half the land and the population is not even Armenian, which would be unstable af.

[@Lockfly]

So what? There's millions of Kurds there now and there's nothing to do about it. Kurds have also proven themselves to not be ethnically cleanable Saddam certainly tried and failed very badly.

[@RK-cj4oc]

​@@LockflyThe Turks " cleansed" plenty a few years ago.

[@sarantis1995]

The only viable alternate history for a strong Armenia is the Wilsonian Armenia but we missed this chance, didn't we? 🇬🇷 🤝🇦🇲

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

So you want to destabilize Armenia by giving them a massive “minority” that would be like 30+ percent of the population of the entire Armenian state because historically… Historically A controlled area B is a stupid argument that is illogical and ignores such thing as the actual situation.

[@iggymag]

This just seems to me like another batch of poor borders made by someone who has not lived or is from the middle east

[@israilkolas5853]

I mean Hatay, Adana and Antep are mostly Turkish though not Arab

[@deathsquad8891]

>gets to Palestine and Israel I am sure these comments will be civil.

[@MegrelMamba]

Dear România, Annex Serbia, Bulgaria, and Hungary 🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@that1dudeintheinternet]

Dear Romania, Stop making vampires in your country.

[@mathieuleader8601]

the fez with a Z is what I picture Lord Zedd from Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers to wear on Casual Fridays

[@frasenp8411]

Interesting although I think your "solution" for Israel-Palestine is not at all good. Basically it is just removing Palestinians, from both historical Palestine as well as the Palestine with the current 1967 borders, and moving them to neighbouring countries which would just cause cross border conflicts as they would obviously still want to go back to their land and establish an independent state. Thus I don't see this leading to Israelis and Palestinians living peacefully together or apart. But then again it is a very complicated question and I am not expecting you to solve it here lol but I am surprised that you gave all of the 1967 borders to Israel though.

[@Adir-Yosef]

most Jordanians even today are "Palestinians" because of former policies and land was even part of the mandate for Palestine (until like 1922) the real problem is Palestinians not wanting Israel to exist (we changed nothing about the people remember) while also hating the Jordanian monarchy. even if all Palestinian were moved onto Jordan they would still overthrow the government and make another terror base/state (like they did in south Lebanon after black September, like in modern Gaza or how they attempted to do in Jordan which lead to black September) it would have probably eventually worked if we tried it from the start but as it is now, nope.

[@frasenp8411]

@@Adir-Yosef I would definitely not say most Jordanians are Palestinians but the main issue is that both Palestinians and Israelis lay claim to the same land and both have ties to the land both historically and currently and a solution has to be made that is fair for both and also making sure Palestinian refugees can return but also making sure that no war errupts between Israel and Palestine after a two state solution (which is what most of the world supports) Also one of the reasons (but not the only one) Palestinian refugees don't get citizenship is because the countries don't want to legitimize Israel expelling them which would encourage more of that but rather they want them to be able to return when an independent state is created

[@Adir-Yosef]

@@frasenp8411 1. but they are Palestinians, when Jordan was in control of the west bank there were marriages and movements that allowed Palestinian integration and sometimes later Jordan allowed some direct Palestinians to get citizenship, this made most Jordanians get Palestinian ancestors, like 60% or something like that. (they are also not that far off generically but besides the point) 2. if not wanting to legitimize the fleeing from the area is indeed a reason but it's definitely a more minor one, besides it's not like they didn't do worse to Jews in the Arab world yet Israel the US and France took them in. now that i think of that, we are in a pointless argument, agree to stop?

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

the "1967 borders" are a non-entity. Not a thing.

[@Earthlybeing396]

Palestine never existed

[@HiIexist2803]

As a Palestinian I just have to say.. Jordan would NEVER agree to jurisdiction over Palestinians

[@physetermacrocephalus2209]

If only the Baath party did not go completely insane. Oh well lmao.

[@crusader2112]

Thoughts on Antoun Saadeh?

[@crusader2112]

@PatagoniaAries Can't Mossad the Assad! Hehe

[@MegrelMamba]

​@@crusader2112I miss when people with European descent didn't d-ride muslim leaders

[@datdumbguy1067]

Middle East belongs to Albania. Give it all to Albania, except Kuwait, they stay.

[@samankucher5117]

lets gooooooooo

[@pieui]

kuwait not will country

[@baconmikee4400]

Probably one of your worst border redrawings, you could've done better I know you could.

[@Izanagi057]

Explain

[@a3cools115]

He’s a zionist so no

[@rlmartinez26]

His solution is to remove the Palestinians from Palestine in favor of Israel is that enough?

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

@@Izanagi057There’s just some weird decisions I believe, like why turn Iran into the neo-Persian empire, it’s just a weird decision. Giving Cyprus to Greece is a bit strange, and Turkey lost Turkish lands to the UAR. The Egyptian coast being independent is pointless and his idea of a two state solution sees Israel get all it land and more and the he just tells the Palestinians to just move to Jordan.

[@m1rifle235]

​@@kylezdancewicz7346 is this map aleast somewhat better then the borders britain and france drew?

[@ayyybob]

As an arab, my only problem with this map is that it makes the perfect opportunity for a cold war between Iran and Saudi Arabia to happen, which is...not good...at all... Also, i think the two-state solution is much better for the jews and pals than the one-state solution

[@josephfriedman1305]

He is saying that Jordan is the 2nd state in the 2 state solution.

[@MonsieurDean]

You already have a much worse Cold War between the two. At least this will cease the largest land and power disputes between them.

[@ayyybob]

@@MonsieurDean okay you got a point, but I feel like the whole "mini autonomous states" thing would give Iran and KSA too much land, and will also make the gulf very divided and open to conflicts

[@ayyybob]

@@josephfriedman1305 I think the pals wouldn't want to leave their home and go to Jordan, plus I don't understand how israel and Jordan become best friends in this timeline it just doesn't make any religious, historical or beneficial sense

[@Chr0n0s38]

​@@ayyybobThe bigger issue is Palestinians are anti-monarchy. They actually assassinated one of Jordan's kings a few decades ago.

[@adamhenrywalker]

How about no borders? Just one big country?

As an Arab i giggled a bit ngl. Forcing Turks,Arabs, Jews, Kurds and Persians to live in one country is never going to happen. We arabs don´t even like eachother (ex. Lebanese christian vs. Lebanese muslims in the 70s/leb civil war or sunni and shia arabs)

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Suggestion: What if Greece realized the Maegeli idea?.🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷

[@Rafael-n8r3k]

Hypothetical situation The Greeks elect an extremist as Prime Minister, they prepare themselves for a war, they invade Turkey and begin to carry out a genocide of Turks in Istanbul and other Turkish cities and regions. Do you really think that the international community would support the Greeks if they try the Megali Idea, the Greeks will be seen as villains and the Turks as victims (I am neither Turkish nor Greek).

[@sarantis1995]

You'd have a bigger Greece and a very angry Turkey. Britain wouldn't allow it though

[@olbiomoiros]

@@sarantis1995true. Britain France and the US wouldn’t. But what would be the case today, not just about Greece, but any other country. Britain and France are gradually being reduced to average European countries.

[@georgesoros4223]

I stopped at Jordan assuming responsibility for the Palestinians, the Jordanian did try to do that and in return, hundred of Jordanian police and armed forces were killed in an attempted overthrow of the Jordanian king. The Jordanians will never forgive nor forget what the Palestinians did.

[@hothdog]

it happened because the king wanted to intergrate what was left of palestine that's under his control to jordan, and palestinians wanted to have an independant state that's not ruled by a king

[@Adir-Yosef]

​@@hothdog my man that was after the six days war, Jordan had no more of Palestine to integrate, the Palestinians just wanted Jordan to be even more aggressive to Israel. farther proven by what they did to Lebanon right after black sceptember.

[@TylerDurden-pk5km]

Israel can defend itself? Why did the US just sent them multiple billion dollars? On top of the 3 billion they get every year ...

[@MonsieurDean]

Because apparently we love wasting money on foreign countries

[@Nenerii]

@@MonsieurDeancorrecto! you're almost there.

[@adamnesico]

Europe too sended many money to the crusader states. URSS too sended money to their vassal states. Thats why regimes in Somalia, Yugoslavia and Ethiopia collapsed immediately and Cuba and north Korea had famines.

[@TylerDurden-pk5km]

@@adamnesico The comparison of Israel with the historical crusader states is a valid one. Both formed by Europeans, both dependent on their external benefactors and both founded based on religious doctrine.

[@DEFC0NZER0]

Personally, as Americans, we shouldn't be obligated to help any foreign country. If or when we are able to fix our internal issues here in our own country first, then we can start talking prices for the defense of foreign countries. In short; foreign countries should pay us to defend them based on prices we as Americans establish. We would essentially be a mercenary nation to the foreign world.

[@mohammadhazraty2372]

We all know how peace can be achieved, and it's with Persia, Ottomans, and Mamluks

[@xianxiaemperor1438]

It's a real shame that there isn't an Assyrian Republic on this but oh well such is life I suppose...

[@samankucher5117]

there should be one but unfortunately most of them now live in Europe and Amirica .

[@pieui]

bad

[@PhilipLaSnail]

As an Israeli, I see this as an absolute win. A free Kurdistan?! A democratic Jordan?!? A weaker Syria?!?! OUR HOMELANDS NOT BE THREATENED BY TERRORISTS?!?! That is a wet dream for us.

[@uncle.tedkaczynski]

Terrorists? Define terrorists since y’all keep attacking us since 1948

[@khurramzafar]

Uh oh, here comes the Nazi calling the Resistance to Apartheid as terrorists! Everyone step back, the Fashy boi's got some hard opinions!

[@pieui]

bad

[@Butterman69]

It isn't your homeland

[@PhilipLaSnail]

@@Butterman69 I'm three generations here. My father and my grandfather were proud Israelis, I am too, and so will be my children. Palestinians can't live everywhere'd like to. But this is my homeland, and I am a soldier to the only country that I know. You won't get it, you probably live in the west, have a blue hair, and protest against Israel instead of studying anything useful but gender studies. I don't blame you, youd see terrorism when it will hit you. You need to be grateful you have us as your frontline, we wish to be you.

[@JF-rh5vq]

never let this guy cook again

[@sarantis1995]

As a Greek, I see this as an absolute win

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

I’m just glad he didn’t do something stupid like say Greece should get Constantinople.

[@meina0614]

@@kylezdancewicz7346it should.

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

@@meina0614 Oh really, because theirs more Kurds living there then Greeks

[@meina0614]

@@kylezdancewicz7346 i wonder why. Also most western Anatolians are just islamicized/turkicized Greeks anyway.

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

@@meina0614 So your saying Greece could get the city based off nothing even though barely any Greeks live there anymore

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

@1:30 looks like an Elephant rearing on its hind legs

[@kfiraltberger552]

As an Israeli, I kinda approve of your solution, also, there's no possible way it can happen. I can't see Jordan deciding to allow Palestinians into it's state, the fear is from a Palestinian terror organization toppling the Jordanian monarchy and establishing a state more akin to the Iranian theocracy. Meanwhile, Gaza being given to Egypt could've been a genuine possibility, imho. Much less likely to topple down the Egyptian government, and please for the love of god make Gaza not our fucking problem to deal with

[@silver14626]

why gaza people are very stupid

[@Altair-El-Haddad]

As an eastern european* you mean.

[@a3cools115]

Your people are evil and people are starting to wake up to your kind

[@EthanDornton]

The Israeli government should just annex Gaza and kick out the muslims or at least the troublesome muslims.

[@Chr0n0s38]

It might make more sense for a deal to be made for the UAR to absorb the inhabitants of the West Bank, though even that isn't a clean solution. It's almost like forcefully evicting a population from homes they've lived in for generations is a bad idea that Israel will be forever stuck with. Maybe Israel should just grant them full citizenship and let the Palestinians have a fair say in policy. Surely they wouldn't seek revenge for their treatment by the IDF....

[@alecnygard1769]

Thank you I’ve been missing your more traditional alt history videos so much!

[@MonsieurDean]

youtube.com/@DeanMonsieur?si=tgkyUuHE3lDkWqtn

[@anthonylandin6788]

No Matter how the borders are drawn the region will fall to into chaos with groups still fighr for more land

[@parlyramyar]

How come Kurdish areas of mahabad and mukryan and ardalan regions are given to Azerbaijan and Iran? They are neither azeri turkish nor shia🤔

[@theyakamoz1]

RIP Assyrians not mentioned :(

[@MrAmhara]

You don’t even know what the “ Middle East” is if you have a map of the “ Middle East “ including Pakistan, Turkey, Afghanistan ect.

[@talesferreiralimadossantos8806]

These countries have close relations with some nations of the "true" Middle East, so that's why they were involved.

[@samankucher5117]

that makes it the greater middle East .

[@Adir-Yosef]

my man Turkey is 95% in the middle east, only thrace isn't.

[@AlefeLucas]

you basically erased Palestinians under the Jordanian label

[@ShnoogleMan]

Jordanians and Palestinians are literally just the same population separated by a river.

[@brooklynbud1138]

Good.

[@Sovihis]

@@brooklynbud1138 😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🗣🗣🤫🤫🧏‍♂🧏‍♂

[@JHV81]

I support moving all palestinians to There where pepper grows

[@WalterBianco123]

​@@brooklynbud1138💀

[@Noah-qp6oe]

The point that Israel wouldn’t of survived without international support is wrong, Israel fought 3 wars with relatively little international support (in the early days, 48 67 73) and that support was balanced out by counter international support in the form of the USSR.

[@hothdog]

the creation of israel wouldn't have happened without international support

[@hothdog]

67 was started by israel

[@AlexVictorianus]

But why keep the Islamist regime in Iran? A secular constitutional monarchy would be better.

[@alibouaichi547]

Both Shias and Pahlavis are horrible

[@johnangel2592]

You forgot about Armenia

[@ihatepenuts1]

Nope, notice the yellow between turkey and Azerbaijan? This person literally erased Armenia off the map and gave Armenian indigenous lands to the Kurds.

[@Ali-bu6lo]

I don't have much comment on the other parts but the Iranian section seems very inaccurate to me. 1) "Balochistan has more in common with Pakistan", What??? Pakistan has far more problems with Balochi separatism than Iran has ever had and Balochi nationalism is far more stronger there. Not to mention that based on observing the massive protests in Balochistan that happened in late 2022 alongside the rest of the country the Baloch population of Iran are patriotic and loyal to Iran but against the Islamic republic, this sentiment is seen both among the general population and their leadership such as Molavi Abdolhamid Ismaeelzahi. Sunni Kurds of Iran do have a historic ethno-nationalist movement but even among them there has been signs of change towards acceptance of Iranian national identity, which brings us to the second point. 2) Iran has a strong civic nationalism that transcends the ethnic differences and is strongly rooted in history (just take a look at Shahnameh for example), I don't understand why westerners, of both left and right have a tendency to disregard this and imagine Iran as either some Yugoslavia to be broken apart or a state that can only be held together by religion. 3) Keeping Iran as a Shia theocracy is not gonna make it stable. Almost 50 years of the "theocratic republic with a supreme leader" has secularized Iran far more than any other country in the region and there are even signs of Islam itself being in decline.

[@Thatoneidiot001]

Actually the problem in Pakistan is overblown but that last thing Pakistan needs is a new territory to integrate as they try to pay off their debt and end a decades long political crisis yea I also think a more united ballochistan would seek independence a lot more because the means would be a lot easier to attain and Iran has well integrated the Baluchi people who surely don’t want to join Pakistan because why would they in its current state anyways it’s liek throwing a minor problem away to expand another persons minor problem to become a big problem

[@hreedwork]

I think i remember you making this video when you were reviewing games. Very good method to explain ideas! 😎👍🙏

[@Mast3r0fTheUniverse]

😂 I doubt the Turks would tolerate this. 😂

[@MonsieurDean]

No one is asking for their consent.

[@Mast3r0fTheUniverse]

@@MonsieurDean a plan guaranteed to fail. Making me laugh 🤣🤣😂🤣🤣 even harder now.

[@adamnesico]

@@Mast3r0fTheUniverseAs any plan is doomed to fail, lets just sell them weapons.

[@Mast3r0fTheUniverse]

@@adamnesico as long as we don’t put any boots on the ground.

[@samankucher5117]

tbh .... alot of turks will take it if given the chance and it is logical 1 fighting kurds and shias is expensive. 2 kurds as a demographic group are increasingly having more children than turks . 3 if kurds and arabs keep moving to western parts of Turkey that will change the demographic and political maps in Turkey. . btw when i say alot of turks will take this i dont mean most turks .

[@kieranthomas8190]

I don’t see the point in splitting off the Southeastern coast of Egypt, considering that it’s mostly Sunni Arab, just maybe with a higher portion of Coptic Christians. I could see a case for an independent/autonomous Sinai state though considering the unrest in the region. Also, the Jordanian-Israeli solution makes sense, but neither Egypt nor Jordan wants to accept Palestinians because they’re too radical. Look at what happened in Black September. But maybe in this world Palestinians are more content on having a Palestinian/Hashemite state on the East bank of the Jordan River (which seems unlikely).

[@farhanaljarrah9310]

how about no isreal? sound good for me

[@justarandomguy5993]

Take your genocidal ideas elsewhere my friend. Israel has a right to exist and is not going anywhere.

[@zackaberg3748]

But not for the jews

[@bnbcraft6666]

I noticed you have Nagorno-Karabahk to Azerbaijan 🤨, that region was entirely Armenian before September 2023

[@MonsieurDean]

And now?

[@bnbcraft6666]

​@MonsieurDean should the Armenians not be allowed to return home without fears of genocide in this hypothetical scenario?

[@MegrelMamba]

​@@bnbcraft6666I guess this map is entirely based on what the ethnic lines are currently. If he based it off of historical interpretation it would need much bigger pre-planned research.

[@bnbcraft6666]

@MegrelMamba he give ethnic Turkish parts of southern turkey to Syria

[@MegrelMamba]

@bnbcraft6666 Oh I just noticed

[@zionmolina3039]

Could it be? I don't think it possible.

[@Geomaverick124]

I agree with the exception of cyprus. Either it stays split or its given to Turkey...Turkey winds up not only losing territory but gets boxed in by Greece which will cause tension.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content z! Keep up the good work ❤❤❤❤❤

[@Dyache2]

you should do South Asia next

[@okman9684]

Why we call it the Middle East. Its literally middle of nowhere in a spherical globe 😑

[@Noric.Morava]

Because mediaeval and rennesance Europeans viewed todays turkey as east and china and mongol steps as far east. As such, this middle area became known as middle east.

[@ragingnoah]

Now do this with the Balkans

[@1650th]

I do not want another world war

[@TheTrex9000]

@@1650th Austrians learned this the hard way

[@cjvoerman5591]

So, Z…when does Europe get redrawn?

[@MonsieurDean]

We’ll see!

[@NikasInParis_777]

Do a what if the carlists won the first civil war of Spain 1836 pls​@@MonsieurDean

[@adamnesico]

A redrawn of Europe would be mostly a give nationalism movements their own states. European borders have their people in account.

[@MrRoxAlot]

I believe, the whole middle east should be united under one flag, as that's the only scenario it has ever been developed.

[@user-ov5nd1fb7s]

Greece is in Europe, not the middle east.

[@MonsieurDean]

But the Middle East should be in Greece.

[@RK-cj4oc]

​@@MonsieurDeanWhy?

[@MonsieurDean]

@@RK-cj4ocAlexander

[@Camille-Couture]

Could you do a video like this for other continents/ regions?

[@johncalabria1607]

Honestly the best drawn map of the Middle East I’ve ever seen. I give it two weeks of peace

[@mintstixxx]

honestly, won’t even last a week

[@Pyxis216]

Bahrain in this map is too op for its size due to oil and gas. While Iran lost alot of its oil producing region to Iraq.

[@thequraininstitute6618]

As a middle eastern, this is trash 🚮

[@adamnesico]

Any possible frontiers are 🗑, you love war too much.

[@Mahhistory]

@@adamnesico its more the region vcan only be happy after its under one rule

[@adamnesico]

@@Mahhistory not even that. See the many revolts under ottomans and arabs.

[@Mahhistory]

@@adamnesico thats in there decline

[@adamnesico]

@@Mahhistory In their rise they simple went to sack outside in colonial wars. No more colonial spoils>revolts. Are you suggesting to become like the ones u hate?

[@derricklamoureux8100]

That’s a dream. Turkey and Iran keep what power they have because they can oppress those minorities. A case could be made by the U.S./Russia/China to them that giving up land and resources AND tax revenue may lead to more peace which boost prosperity. But that’s a long shot. Especially because Russia/China benefit from U.S. engagement in regional conflict.

[@firemangan]

The people at funeral homes gona be making big money

[@caseclosed9342]

What if Palestine was majority Christian instead of Muslim?

[@davydko1507]

The Arab-Israeli war would not have started in 1947... I think the the Christian Arabs would have agreed to a two-state solution and maybe even a confederation in one Arab-Jewish state. Christians are more peaceful than Muslims and I am 100% sure that a peaceful solution would be found.

[@zeinnanla5422]

@@davydko1507 I don't know that merely changing their religion would have affected the outcome when the Jews coming from Europe came with explicit goals of colonizing their land, regardless of whether they were Christian or Muslim.

[@Mahhistory]

@@davydko1507 ahh yes more peace full no this is stupid the war will happen anyway

[@miladd237]

Hey your fellow Iranian viewer here and I love your overall content. This one’s pretty inaccurate though. But I don’t blame you,the Middle East is one of the most complicated regions in the world after all.

[@z1k1c1321]

lol, you managed to outdo Churchill

[@EthanDornton]

This’ll be a blood bath.

[@MonsieurDean]

Hahaha! What a bubble bath!

[@EthanDornton]

@@MonsieurDean lol 😆

[@samankucher5117]

it already is lol

[@elkoikan5993]

I love how Greece is part of the Middle East! Their culture, tradition, and climate fit perfectly

[@janrudnicki6111]

You forgot aBout Armenia and her historical conflicts with Kurdish people Turkey and Azerbaijan that why this boaders cant work.

[@samankucher5117]

thats why i said make Armenia and Azerbaijan and the kurds live in one country that has a federal government and local governments. nowadays kurds are chill with arminans they can keep the azaries in check and the azaries will keep kurds and arminans in check and that way they will avoid wars over land disputes because they all will be living in a federal country where they can live where ever they want .

[@janrudnicki6111]

It was like this in the times of the Russian Empire and the USSR - it was probably the only time when Armenians were not subject to ice genocide against this nation.

[@samankucher5117]

@@janrudnicki6111 not exactly because back in those days the Russians helped arminans against kurds and azaris . even after that i think the arminans actually ethnically cleansed kurds from red Kurdistan region of the ussr when the Russians were last in control of that regon.

[@janrudnicki6111]

@@samankucher5117 Detection of the purges is not very appropriate here - it can only be compared to the genocide in Volhynia and Eastern Lesser Poland in 1943.

[@samankucher5117]

@@janrudnicki6111 i don't know what you mean about that can you elaborate?

[@lilSaltee]

Please complete the series! Europe, Africa, s america, central america, canada, rest of asia, oceania, etc

[@mojungle3054]

Is that an annexed Greek Cyprus I see? 👀

[@JonathanSladkoTV]

Most of this sounds pretty good, but turkey would absolutely hate this lol

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

2:14 one major gripe here... the opposite is true. The U.S. had Israel under military embargo until 1969. Israel had a few short term allies until then, the most important one being Czechoslovakia in 1948. Israel's military record actually diminished after they were bought out by the U.S. as they were no longer able to effectively dictate their own military policy. A great video other than that.

[@PhilipLaSnail]

As an Israeli, I can confirm this is true. After 73 we've replaced France as our best ally to the USA and the rest is history.

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

@@PhilipLaSnail we actually dropped France as an ally in 1967. France was our best ally for a very brief time, because there was a lot of Israeli anger against the British for their persecution of us and supporting the Arab armies against us, and France was happy to use us, until they decided to support the Arabs right before 1967.

[@user-uf2df6zf5w]

Stop insulting Greece by bringing them on a map of the Middle East. And if you do so, they deserve the Turkish Aegean coast.

[@muratalkiner7791]

What have you been smoking?

[@Zacmario66]

>Middle East >includes Greece

[@williaminnes6635]

*sips Sykes Pekoe tea* I'm sorry, old boy, the western borders of Iraq are not up for discussion.

[@MonsieurDean]

(Blitzes London)

[@Jj.leenard]

This video seems to be made to cause major fights. Turkey especially, we fought for our lands, beat everyone and made our own border.

[@Michael_the_Drunkard]

Give East Thrace to Greece. Constantinople shall be Christian again!

[@alibouaichi547]

cope

[@adamelghalmi9771]

dude theres more muslims in constantinople than the entire population of greece, and we can glass you with 1/10 of our military

[@MonsieurDean]

Unfortunately not a realistic outcome without major war.

[@AmirSatt]

​@@MonsieurDean be careful of what you say, this is Middle East lol

[@Thatoneidiot001]

@@MonsieurDeanIk this is a old video and your probably not gonna respond but why change Saudi border(excluding the Yemen thing)ir plan and the uae those are like the most stable places in the Middle East.

[@K-Talks217]

I think although this could be ethnically right, We also need to consider that natural resources should be evenly distributed or else more conflict will occur in the region. The reason why these borders are so highly contested because of their natural resources that they possess like Oil and Natural Gas. Also, I think the USA played a large in creating instability in the region while trying to bring peace in the region as well.

[@cosmiccosmonaut820]

Just give everything to assad

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Give everything to the pope

[@a3cools115]

Based

[@samankucher5117]

give it all to xi

[@matthewmoser1284]

I'm a big fan of creating several different types of maps which focus on a single homogeneous zone. Separate maps for resources, defensible terrain, water, arable land, languages, religions, and ethnic divisions. Then overlay each map to find regions which have a balance of things like arable land, water and resources, but which compose the vast majority of the population having the same language, culture, and religion. The first part prevents resource wars, while the second reduces internal strife.

[@bettycrocket1360]

Nagorno-Karabakh should go to Armenia along with small border territories

[@MegrelMamba]

Alsl West armenia, region around Kars. And as for Georgia, Lazeti and Tao-Klarjeti 💪🏿☝🏿

[@samankucher5117]

i say put both Armenia and Azerbaijan and the kurds in one large federal country where each region has its on local government but they work together military and economically that way they all can keep each other in check and avoid fighting for territory.

[@doctormatthattan]

Why would the Red Sea be autonomous in Egypt? There is no significant conflict in that part of Egypt, why not just leave it alone?

[@Jay_Kry5hom]

The Red Sea region wants to secede from Egypt

[@doctormatthattan]

@@Jay_Kry5hom Can you show me your sources on that because I have never heard of that and I would like to read more about it

[@Jay_Kry5hom]

@@doctormatthattan active separatist movements in Africa

[@doctormatthattan]

@@Jay_Kry5hom For the life of me I cannot find it

[@meina0614]

@@Jay_Kry5homits literally populated by egyptians

[@crusader2112]

Personally, I'm for local empires administering the area. Revived Ottoman Empire, Neo-Persian, New Caliphate, or Crusader Kingdoms. Which one do you guys think?

[@Adir-Yosef]

would probably be better for the region, the concept of the nation state doesn't really work here.

[@Michael_the_Drunkard]

A neo-Ottoman Empire? Are you gay?

[@crusader2112]

@@Adir-Yosef Agreed. The people over there have a medieval mindset as opposed to a modern one.

[@Lockfly]

Except the governments don't have a medieval mind set. For an empire to work it would have to be extremely decentralized and barely function as a country at all like the Ottoman empire. The Kurdish part of the Ottoman empire refused to pay taxes and Kurds fought the Ottomans for hundreds of years just to not pay taxes and the Ottomans just accepted it.​@@crusader2112

[@crusader2112]

@@Lockfly I didn't mean governments, I meant the people.

[@rmar127]

Armenian: What about me? Do i not exist.

[@theuniverse5173]

The comments are going to become fun

[@MonsieurDean]

Fun is Fumb

[@that1dudeintheinternet]

Heheheh, yeah

[@dudua3755]

This video makes me remember that unless the guy is a doctor of middle eastern history, no one will never understand the middle east like a middle easterner. FFS.

[@flaxbadas]

You make it worst ☠️

[@inductivegrunt94]

The mistakes of past empires fixed thanks to present hindsight. And this is why the local population should dictate their borders and not greedy imperials not even on the same continent. Not a perfect map, but a better one than the middle east we have today thanks to British and French meddling.

[@Godzillaminusone70]

but local peoples deciding there borders leads to conflict over who owns what lands neither works there are issues on both sides example Israel Palestine assuming these two populations made borders for them self's they would most certainly both claim the others land.